Why Israel Can't Win: War Expert Prof. Paul Roger's Devastating Interview

Paul Rogers is Emeritus Professor of Peace Studies and one of the world's leading experts on war. This is a devastating interview which draws on what's happening on the ground and other precedents - like Iraq and Afghanistan - which exposes why Israel cannot win this.
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[@thinkcontemplate2557]

First of all thank you dear Owen too much for your real journalistic work. Please share your full account number for those viewers who don't wanna share their account details via Google, PayPal. Please remember your those viewers who are living outside UK. Thanks once again 😇

[@ex.israeli.soldier]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🇵🇸💯✊🏻 Syukron. / Thx.

[@dovic86]

thank you for the interview, Owen. I just thought I'd let you know that there's a typo in the title

[@MarkusBracey-cs5rm]

EXACTLY SOMEONE HAS SENSE AND THOUGHT THIS THRU

[@johnkayoss5422]

How can a supporter of Azov that parrots Hasbara (like pretending that light arms that Hamas had were capable of melting people in their cars or doing structural damage to cement buildings) claim to be fighting pro-war voices when he parrots their nonsense continuously?

[@mysteriousbean8413]

Owen, as an Israeli, I've really been enjoying all your videos related to this current "war". I'm probably one of the very few Israelis willing to listen to different perspectives on what's happening. Obviously everything here (in Israel) on the news is "We're winning, everything is going as planned", whereas non-Israeli media sources are actually showing the nuances. I'd love if you could interview more ex-IDF soldiers and peace activists to get a perspective that's really hard to find here. Thanks and continue your great work!

[@kindGSL]

I'd suggest Medea Benjamin from the US.

[@margaretmcguire8952]

If only everyone in the world was like ýou, listening to both sides. What a different place it would be

[@Omega-jg4oq]

@@margaretmcguire8952 sadly we can’t have that

[@OwenJonesTalks]

What a lovely comment to read, much love and solidarity - and yes I promise to do that, more of that soon!

[@diddywahdiddy975]

I sincerely doubt you are Israeli. But if you are then you are a fool. Like this young naive Owen bloke. And don’t worry, Israel will win decisively.

[@RobinArnold-yb9ld]

I don't think it is as much as it is Pro Palestinian as it is Pro Human. How can anyone caring person look at the images coming out of Gaza and not be heartbroken?

[@1972dsrai]

The problem is certain people intentionally conflating pro Palestinian protests with being pro Hamas and thus automatically being labelled anti semitic. Its just a ploy to stifle criticism and open debate. People are being forced to take sides when its far more nuanced.

[@Gail-gf7km]

How can you see what was done on Oct. 7 and have any sympathy for Palestinians?

[@rosestewart1606]

@@Gail-gf7km because they are humans. Obviously you're not.

[@Gail-gf7km]

@@rosestewart1606 apparently not, if being human means that what happened on Oct.7 is OK. If being human means that the culture that produced the sub-human monsters that perpetrated the horrors in Israel is somehow OK, then no, I guess I am not human.

[@candicezerafa1269]

2 much pork they don't have feelings that's why they won't be broken the hearts 🖤 are cold is ice ❄ no feelings 4 the Palestinians

[@user-ku2sw7ze3v]

It's our leaders who do not want a ceasefire,most of the British people want.

[@brendanh8193]

Will a ceasefire bring lasting peace?

[@keithparker1346]

Who knows but it's worth trying​@@brendanh8193

[@douglasmacari8707]

@@brendanh8193Will genocide "bring lasting peace"?

[@moldymush]

🇬🇧 ❤ 🇵🇸

[@raphaelprotti5536]

Regardless of the consequences, the leaders of so called democracies are beholden to the will their constituents, and if they aren't then they are illegitimate.@@brendanh8193

[@bbbartolo]

“Create a desert and call it peace” memorable line. Brilliant interview, thanks

[@ianstevenson3628]

first used by a critic of Julius Caesar

[@issamsaqer1163]

Thanks

[@Sg-ci4kp]

Peace for israel

[@jasonjasonjason564]

'ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant'

[@placerdemaio]

They invade churches and put the blame on civilians !? They always have excuses for their horrific doings

[@rachelkingsley668]

He’s also right that Hamas is an undying idea… And that the real problem is the suppression of Palestinians

[@AntoinetteCrowne]

it is basic common sense, isn't it?? why would any people or any person live in continuous abuse and not revolt violently at some point

[@haobaba]

Hamas numbers just went through the roof. Likely half a million strong by now.

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

@@AntoinetteCrowne Well there are those who give up as well, a few weeks ago i went in and read about all those "knife attacks" in the West Bank. What really stood out to me was that it were mostly young women and they pulled the knife out at a distance while walking towards soldiers. I kinda see that more as an attempt to get shot/killed then a attempted murder. It takes a lot to reach the point where you are willing to just end it all I don't say it all have to do with the occupation, but living under occupation for sure doesn't help the situation.

[@MusMasi]

Hamas is a Symptom and the Disease is the OCCUPATION.

[@myrasmith1603]

Rubbish!

[@Life_is_a_scam]

Without shoes and no modern weapons , without tanks and no F16 , without help of the NATO, without mercenaries and under unprecedent siege for more than 75 years , palestenians are making history ❤

[@mosadeqmauthoor2587]

Amazing unprecedented Open Air Prison Break!

[@nattycooper6622]

Why do you support terrorists?

[@xerke]

@@mosadeqmauthoor2587 how is it a prison if they have cars

[@ragaashabib7060]

@@xerkeIf they ride those cars to the borders to get out of the siege they can’t!

[@xerke]

@@ragaashabib7060do you know what a border is?

[@user-em3vl6li5w]

I’m an ex student of Paul’s. A wonderful man. Governments of all complexions should be advised by him. He’s very learned and has such integrity. This man does his research.

[@shabanahussain4707]

Owen Jones I will never forget how hard you fought for justice for the children and citizens of Palestine. As always amazing, educated guest. No shouting, name call, just historical facts shedding a light on what is actually going on.

[@brendanh8193]

I found this to be a terrific interview. When Owen made inciting claims that he had no way of verifying, they were expertly sidestepped by this guest without losing momentum while valuing Owen's person.

[@nattycooper6622]

How can you bring justice for the children and citizens of Gaza by supporting Hamas?

[@sirsambo1075]

Because they are fighting for the freedom of the children of Gaza!

[@ivritasker]

You completely skip the issue at hand. Western Palestine, Gaza, was freed 18 years,ago when Israel withdrew. Hamas has been rocketing Israel ever since. Hamas is responsible for their own children's deaths. They educate their own kids to be suicide martyrs, they complain when Israel retaliates. Their mission is to kill. Ours is not. It is collateral damage. They proved themselves as indiscriminate animals on Oct 7. No other country in the world would hezitate to react as did Israel.

[@sylviaportnerf2426]

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[@sorayaboyd9275]

The main problem is the brutal occupation which has caused over 75 years of dispossession, annexation, settlement expansion, house demolition, abitrary detention etc etc etc

[@YourMajesty143]

Longer, the dispossession & displacement began in the 1920s, so over 100 years!

[@Officialnrb]

How long have Isreal occupied Gaza for?

[@Officialnrb]

@@char54078 So you don’t know?

[@garyhundt]

The influx began gradually many years before 1948, so 100 yes isn't incorrect

[@Officialnrb]

@@jawadminhas4291 How about the Egyptian occupation? 🙄 The Israelis left in 2005 too. Educate yourself a little better.

[@kayotecute]

Prof. Paul Roger's made a very accurate assessment and analogy of the situation, the background, factors and fact surrounding the war in Gaza, the Israeli mentality and the plight of the Palestinians. Thank you Mr. Owen Jones, and Prof. Paul Roger's for a very important interview.

[@FnDuK]

Thank you Owen for your courage and determination in exposing the truth and helping the oppressed. Appreciate it.

[@JacobRothman]

Owen exposing the truth is a joke

[@MasterBattle2000]

Shocking when you remember that Netanyahu also still has a criminal trial ongoing for corruption.

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Diversion.

[@emlmm88]

The two are most certainly completely disconnected from each other. No relationship between the perpetuation of this war and Netanyahu's pending corruption charges. No siree.

[@gerhardusvanderpoll]

​@@emlmm88Completely not disconnected...dodgy character can translate into unethical behaviour in civilian life,and in parallel,in the committing of war crimes....only the blind will NOT be able to see a possible connection...

[@yannichudziak9942]

@@gerhardusvanderpoll me think you missed the sarcasm of the post you replied…

[@nicoleowens2318]

​@@gerhardusvanderpollyeah they were being sarcastic

[@szakhem]

Israel is realizing that they can’t kill Palestinians’ hope, resilience and resistance to their apartheid occupation and injustice!

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Can't keep pushing, far from stamping out ideologies all that happens is further belief.

[@explorer0213]

​@@michenorman7347yes it is apartheid look up the meaning also gaza is an open prison as for leaving you alone all Israeli society needs to change it barbaric sadistic behavior until you do ppl of the world will hold you to account.

[@rararnanan7244]

@@explorer0213it is not a prison that is stupid - Gazans are free to leave.

[@bkhan1877]

@Michenorman- open your eyes are you blind . War crimes are being committed by isreal this is genocide and yes palestine is occupied by isreal . Why are you in denial ?? Palestine is not racist at all it's the other way round

[@explorer0213]

​@@rararnanan7244what leave and never be allowed to come back?

[@pamacell1102]

Thank Owen for interviewing Prof. Paul Roger. Now we have a different perspective of the war. Free Free Palestine.

[@simonspeedo8122]

Generally i disagree with nearly all of Owens view points but on the Israeli issue he has been absolutely on point and an excellent defender of humanity particularly against the pro Israeli UK media. The way Owen took Piers Morgan apart on Talk TV was testament to this. Well done Owen , Salute to you from a right of center person here 👏

[@kevoreilly6557]

His options don’t vary across topics - this is just one you can agree with him on - the rest are injustices you don’t see yet

[@tonymurphy9795]

I used to disagree with most of Owen's positions as well but the bravery he has shown on this issue is leading me to question my own existing assumptions. Respect, Owen.

[@anitamurkes9511]

Wow, ProIsraeli UKmedia ? Which channel is that ? I live in Sweden , started to listen to BBC, just can’t do it anymore. So propalestinian ! And the hatemarches ! Swedish media, although not as extensive is WAY more balanced !

[@happygucci5094]

Thank you Paul Roger’s- you have reminded me that not all Britains are capable of justifying absolute horror. Thank you Owen Jones- you are an inspiration. 🇵🇸✊🏽🙏🏽🕊️

[@maurice-bev]

Why do you delete so many comments on this channel?

[@robertsmme]

Ive said it before, but I think it is worth repeating, Owen, please take loads of care. What you are doing is valuable almost beyond measure

[@saraesharp9053]

The colonel who is believed to have been killed Saturday week in one of the ambushes is said to be Col Shalom Hagari, brother of IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari. It was in an Arabic-language broadcast but I haven’t seen it confirmed anywhere. It may be a coincidence that Daniel Hagari seems to have been replaced by another spokesman (a Brit with a Scottish accent) the following day. Losses are hitting close to the war cabinet. War cabinet member and ex chief of staff Gen Gadi Eisenkot lost his son last week and his nephew a day later. It’s not been plain sailing on the Israeli side and now killing three of their own hostages…

[@yangold2007]

You are cheering too early. The war is not over yet. Hamas is no more

[@mdlatham7]

@@yangold2007 You are the only one cheering.

[@zehrag3781]

​@@yangold2007...zzzz boring already..zzz

[@eifatkhan2915]

⁸⁸dzz

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

@@yangold2007where are all the dead Hamas fighters? I see women, children, elderly people but fighters? Where?

[@user-nw1fw3nu3y]

Owen٬ you are a brilliant journalist and real human soul. You pick your guests very well, and they are all very respected people. Many high level scholar experts. Thank you.

[@assassin879]

The blockade/seige of gaza is classed as war, which israel forced onto gaza, meaning that gaza was already in a state of war blockade/seige is war

[@aleph8888]

Self defence. Article 51 of the UN Charter. Jordan is the Palestinian state.

[@dwayne_dibley]

⁠​⁠@@aleph8888if you’re going down that route, what does the UN say about the current borders?

[@seeibe]

The occupation since 1948 is one continuous war against a people.

[@marjokol9078]

​@@aleph8888 if you talking about international law, self defense does not apply to an occupier

[@66gtb]

“Israel forced onto Gaza?” I guess all the bombs and suicide bombers on busses, pizza places and coffee shops had nothing to do with it.

[@diorocks5858]

I have lived throughout the middle east for about 40 years and its nice to see a European finally understand the region

[@paulp2033]

What a fantastic guest. Paul Rogers spoke so well with great intelligence, clarity and fairness. He should be being interview on ALL media channels. Very many thanks Owen for this excellent episode 👌👌👌

[@theresabarzee1463]

Fantastic. So much packed in that I practically had to rewind at every effing commercial ad to remember what was being taught! Huge thanks, Owen. And Paul Rogers!

[@sirensynapse5603]

Get ublock origin, clear cache and update regularly. I have never seen an ad in youtube, even after their recent hardass measures. :)

[@iPhilledBanks]

This is the type of interview I need more of. All I see daily is dead kids, but proper analysis of what's happening on the ground is hard to come by. Owen just want to say, as a Lebanese guy I really appreciate what you are doing. I know it isn't easy, I know you get harassed daily but in the words of the immortal 2pac Shakur..... "You are appreciated"

[@loripapapetros4894]

This is not Justice; this is not humane.

[@olterigo]

It's giving Palestinians a taste of what they love to call for - intifada.

[@obaid1333]

Paul Rodger an absolute Legend Thank you Owen.

[@RadiantStar8997]

Clear up-to-date analysis from Prof Paul Roger of Israel's intent in the war and how it is loosing more than it cares to admit. Thank you Owen and Prof. Roger.

[@juls2334]

Thank you for having such amazing guests! Paul shed light on all the pivotal aspects of this Israeli conflict!

[@peterharris1672]

The number and quality of your videos does you great credit. We all appreciate your determination and integrity.

[@grumpyvicar]

Clear, measured, informative, balanced, brilliant.

[@poppyfielding5349]

What a great interview and analysis with Paul Rogers. Really absorbing

[@woody1452]

The young Palestinians are not just dying for a cause, they're willing to die for their home, for their families, for their lands, for their country. The Israelis, on the hand, are fighting to occupy someone else's land. And occupiers have never known to have the same motivations as resistance fighters.

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Nor long term rights to possession of the others country they occupy by force by eviction. (Truth be told, twas the 🇬🇧 RMPs who showed the fledgling Israelis HOW to successfully evict Pals from their homes, before same and the murdering 3 fell out, if course).

[@NumMyr]

Exactly, but somehow all these western expert directly or indirectly equates Palestinian resistance as terrorism . They also somehow always manage to highlight and condem the resistance by calling it appalling and horrific .

[@BillyBowlster]

It's terrorism if you're against it, freedom fighters and a just resistance when you're for it.@@NumMyr

[@idomalion6167]

The Isrealis are also fighting for their ancestral homeland. This reality is often omitted.

[@TaLz1978]

So why did Israel dismantle the settlements in Gaza and left in 2005??

[@glendasharman9852]

How refreshing to hear an intelligent debate that gives you hope and a clear picture as to what is going on. So unlike Piers Morgan-style debates that amount to a lot of shouting over one another and personal insults flying by the end. Thanks Owen.

[@vansdan.]

"but do you condemn Hamas???"

[@claudinefiona9698]

​@@vansdan.😂😂😂

[@rosalinelowe972]

​@@vansdan.You just need to listen to him. He's not for or against, he's just stating facts.

[@alwyn007]

Paul Rogers is so well informed about this situation and so articulate in his reasoned analysis. The Perfect Guest for this subject.

[@myrachurchman5013]

Thank you for introducing us to Paul Rogers, another voice of reason.

[@sjmousavi8754]

Owen, thanks for your relentless efforts enlightening those who are seeking the truth about the rights of Palestinians.

[@redasafwan1392]

Owen , I wonder where you get all this energy ? You are superbly active. My deepest respect.

[@OwenJonesTalks]

Genuine answer? I just wouldn't forgive myself if I didn't throw everything I've got at this. As I keep telling everyone I know, what's the point of me having a platform if I don't use it like this ❤🇵🇸

[@user-qn6yt3zx3w]

@@OwenJonesTalksGod speed Owen, you aren’t just on the right side of history, you’ve planted a flag and are leading that side.

[@karinbiow9110]

@@OwenJonesTalksgrateful from the US.

[@lilih4674]

@@OwenJonesTalksgood lad thank you 🙏

[@jake751]

​@@lilih4674lad 😂😂 he's 40 next year. He does look really young for his age though.

[@Tymbus]

Thanks to you both for this fascinating, measured analysis of the situation. Professor Rogers is an excellent, well informed guest.

[@comrademonke1563]

thanks for speaking out, you guys are a blessing!

[@markjohnson4053]

We are heading into the middle of winter. With about half of the homes destroyed, where will the innocent civilians go and how will they live? I as an American am completely ashamed of what my government is doing by supplying Israel the resources to conduct this genocide. A disgrace to humanity.

[@ritaclyong3837]

And whose is responsible? Hamas and its ideology. They started this war so be real and not blind!

[@utmost_colours5276]

@@ritaclyong3837 and of course before October 7th Israelis and Palestinians were living a fairytale love story. No occupation and no illegal settlements. 🦄🦄

[@thez5997]

@@ritaclyong3837 lacks any logic at all hamas responsible for israel bombing civilians, collective punishment is a war crime for a reason

[@paulinewooding1304]

@@ritaclyong3837Can’t believe people are still coming onto channels like this making such dumb comments. With the internet awash with information about the history, etc., for some time. Do some actual research. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@elvirageronimo4604]

​@ritaclyong3837 Hamas did not start this war, the occupation did.

[@lmcgready]

Thank you Owen and Professor Roger.

[@fatahabbad9483]

Thank you very much indeed Owen for your courage and determination in telling the truth about the masacares comited by the isreal 's occupation against women and children in Gaza. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@drbowater]

Brilliant. It's always great to hear Paul's analysis. Thanks for this one, Owen.

[@Lasquez111]

Are you on drugs!

[@lilao8484]

Thank you for taking time to talk with an expert as to understand better the situation. Here in France, so called medias are a joke!

[@user-dm7nb4qt7f]

Owen you are awesome man . Thank you for what you are doing!❤

[@guyandrew4668]

Thanks to Prof Rogers - excellent. Lots to chew on!

[@mintint4965]

There is a Times of Israel news article titled; "For years , Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces" Reuters article titled; "Israel gives nod to Gaza Marine gas development, wants security assurances" quote; "the Gaza Marine field, about 30 km (20 miles) off the Gaza coast, has remained undeveloped due to political disputes and conflict with Israel, as well as economic factors." Workers World also writes about Gaza offshore gas article titled; "Behind Israel’s ‘end game’ for Gaza: Theft of offshore gas reserves"

[@hebadoha5552]

👏👏❤

[@charliebrandt2263]

Yes, as usual it is all about energy, so many wars...

[@mintint4965]

@@charliebrandt2263 military industrial complex expansion

[@sineadadamus2099]

💯

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Something For nothing Is never worthwhile....

[@jamiecorrigan3241]

THOSE WHO LOVE NEVER DIE ~~~~~~~ THOSE WHO HATE CAN NEVER LIVE.

[@dr.msaqibhissan4370]

Thank you Owen for raising your voice. ❤

[@BaddFrogg777]

Excellent interview and extremely detailed. Tremendous education Professor Paul Rogers. Peace

[@celestekalil517]

Thank you @OwenJones. Bless you. Your work is very appreciated. 🙏🙏

[@papajahko7121]

Thanks Owen for fact based reporting Solidarity Brother ✊🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇵🇸✊🏾

[@barbararouwendal8708]

War? It is genocide. words matter. Name it what is is.

[@ELYOUSFIWORLD]

My teacher in university is Palestinian. She told us this: "You think Hamas is controlling Gaza, I was in Gaza in September. And to enter it, I had to have an authorization from Israel, not from Hamas."

[@beeg693]

Interesting. Is Gaza a country? Does it have an airport? Do they attack their neighbor? Why aren't Gaza people allowed into Egypt freely? Why didn't you teacher go into Gaza from the Egyptian's side? Wouldn't Egypt still have to authorize this teacher access to Gaza?

[@macrograms]

It is not a war. Gaza has no army or military. The majority of deaths are civilians - women, children and sometimes men. Except for when Israel does it, bombing hospitals is called terrorism. It's not war. It is mass murder. Fix your title.

[@rararnanan7244]

Israel withdrew from Gaza. Hamas is the elected government. Therefore it is a war, the Hamas are war criminals for fighting in civilian clothing and hiding within civilians, and the people of Gaza are not “uninvolved” they are enemy civilians.

[@beesplaining1882]

Yes "war" is not the correct word to use. "Genocide" is closer to the point.

[@SaraSara-ti6ex]

They are dehumanizing Palestinians massacred to numbers

[@TheMMSpirit]

Except for 35 thousand terrorists armed with bombs, grenade launchers, assault weapons, and rockets you mean?

[@beesplaining1882]

@@TheMMSpirit No, he means the poorly armed resistance.

[@Sapper127]

You're assuming that it was an error by Mossad and Israeli intelligence and not a deliberate ignoring of the Hamas fighters, it wouldn't be the first time Israel has sacrificed their people in order to get the excuse they needed to attack Gaza/ West Bank of Palestine.

[@seeibe]

I doubt it, just because how utterly clueless they are about how to respond.

[@Shabs2456]

I agree, it was the excuse they had been waiting for to wipeout Gaza. Remember the videos ba out making Gaza a car park

[@problactive285]

​@seeibe you can doubt it but he is spot on. When you consider that Hamas is an Israeli creation and that Israelis know exactly where hamas leadership is even how much money they have....it becomes clear that Israel want to keep Hamas in power for this very reason....a catalyst to take more land.

[@melisentiapheiffer3034]

These are my thoughts exactly. Why would they care about anyone's life considering what they have been doing to the Palestinians? People are extremely naive and gullible.

[@seeibe]

@problactive285 That's the "official" leadership in Qatar. What they didn't anticipate is that an independent leadership would form in gaza that operates very decentralized and on need to know basis. Even most Al Qassam militants didn't know about the attack until the same morning they were given orders.

[@Jide-bq9yf]

I never tire of Paul Roger’s almost fatherly, soft spoken erudition . Bless you both ,for helping keep what they are doing to Palestine , an unspeakable and indelible blot , on the world’s conscience .

[@ahmedjabri3199]

The amount of information and facts just huge, thank you for sharing your knowledge and hope the world realize what is going on and stand with the rights and let the peace spread...

[@EHDROCK]

Israel, with the greatest surveillance in the world (of course), doesn't know where the hostages are???

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Knows where Hamas are though - right there!!, each n every person stood in front dressed as a civilian!

[@blaze280]

8:49 ​@@suzyqualcast6269

[@SuhailButt]

​@@suzyqualcast6269 the hypocrisy of the situation is beyond description. What's clear, they haven't got a clue but are using this situation to murder and assassinate anyone and everyone that comes in their sights.

[@ibrahimshaheen1]

​@@suzyqualcast6269sad news for you , they don't know ... we might argue about what to do and who is right but that doesn't mean that we should hide or deny facts ... Israel is not yet capable of knowing where the hostages are

[@corklleen2505]

Hamas' 7/10 attack reflects Algeria's 01/11/1954 attack on the french which, after hundreds of thousands of algerians killed, brought international attention to the colonization in addition to the defeat of french forces in the guerrilla battles. As the French retaliation got more brutal, more and more Algerians started turning against the french government and the FLN got more support. As the years passed, even the french public turned against the colonization. All this lead to the eventual inevitable end of a 132 years long occupation and genocide. Also like the hamas attack, the Algerian attack happened in a french holiday. There are many similarities which point to the inevitable end of occupation of Palestine, unless of course, the US chooses to follow israel's WW3 path. Edit: some said that the difference is the FLN attack didn't happen within frances borders. Wrong, there was no Algeria at the time because Algerian land got completely annexed by france and became france proper. So yes, the FLN attack happened within france and was widely labeled as a "terrorist" attack. Hmm, familiar.

[@SuperDflower]

That’s an interesting observation. I hadn’t thought of that. I guess one of the differences in this situation was that they crossed the border, whereas the battle of Algiers and subsequent battles took place within the borders of Algeria. Perhaps that seems like a small detail but I think from a symbolic perspective, especially vis-à-vis an world w is largely ignorant of the history of this region, Or am I just talking about people in the US. I pray that you are correct. But from what I can see this is a different situation entirely. They’re leveling the place and there will be nowhere to return to. It might not even be livable for the captors. Pure insanity

[@simonstuddert-kennedy8854]

One big difference: the French living in Algeria (the so-called pieds noirs) had somewhere to go - the metropole, France. Israelis who have known no other country, whose parents, grandparents and even great-grandparents were born there have nowhere to go, therefore they will fight to the bitter end - and, don’t forget, they have nuclear weapons.

[@apollocreed1000]

The difference is that the French had their home country to which to return. The Israelis have nowhere else to go, so they have to fight until the last one falls.

[@Theworldisfullofmonsters]

@@simonstuddert-kennedy8854nearly half of Israelis are dual citizens. They can go back to the 109 countries they crawled out of. It’s Palestinians who have nowhere to go but THEIR land.

[@ThomasMorrison141]

@@simonstuddert-kennedy8854 That's incorrect, they can all go to the U.S and other countries that funded their existence, and of course their original roots in Poland and Ukraine.

[@ajung5892]

These episodes are just the best, Owen, thank you. Testament to their brilliance is how many adverts I've had to skip to get through this. Please keep going. You're doing better than the rest of British mainstream media combined.

[@elvirageronimo4604]

If you are skipping the ads, you are not supporting his channel.

[@theresabarzee1463]

Hear, hear!

[@user-re1yw3lm5n]

THANKS OWEN AND PAUL.

[@blacksnow129]

Freedom is an impossible idea to get rid off no matter what!

[@SourceAwareness]

This I can tell: History won't end well for Netanyahu and his army from heII...

[@SourceAwareness]

"Satanyahu," as some call him.

[@alphacentauri1908]

@@SourceAwareness The Arab world calls him "The Neten".. That is The worst thing you could say about a person. And it happens to be his name

[@arnowillekes7979]

It is also amazing and disconcerting for this ‘democracy’ that he’s been in power for so long…

[@md.muzahidulislamsamrat8037]

​@@alphacentauri1908neten means what?

[@jake751]

​@@arnowillekes7979there has never been a democracy in apartheid Israel.

[@ayahahmed1]

Massive thank you to you and your guest, that was excellent interview, full of information yet very easy to follow. 👍

[@baobo67]

Thank-you Owen. Wonderful interview.

[@enakosam8577]

Since this started I have not missed a video from Owen Jones I never knew he even existed before this.

[@meetings3071]

I know what you mean.

[@jake751]

I've been listening to him for years. He's a brilliant journalist and socialist. 😊

[@enakosam8577]

@@jake751 💯

[@shamim621]

Documentaries: Killing gaza The great book robbery Tantura Born in gaza 2014 Gaza fights for freedom 5 broken cameras Deir yassin Sabra and shatilla The killing zone 2003

[@SSL-nt4ni]

Thank you Owen for having the Palestinian pain and suffering shown and heard as no one head it before, since it been pressed by western media.

[@rubybarker791]

Excellent interview - thank you Paul Rogers - what an expanse of knowledge

[@lilyarman]

Always love Owen podcast.

[@delfimoliveira8883]

What Triggers Narcissistic Rage? Narcissistic rage is common for those with NPD as they grow increasingly angry with any display of vulnerability. This anger can be triggered when they are “called out,” their image has been damaged, or their shortcomings or wrongdoings are highlighted.

[@jake751]

Think piers Morgan has NPD 😂 he's certainly been caught out.

[@Israel-IS-Socialism]

When people don’t know the history They say “history is made by the victors” But then , as a response, someone can say “then how can we be sure that many people have died in war for reasons that are evident and be so confident about things now?”

[@kennethbarr6842]

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[@jeffschroeder4805]

Would the right wing coalition have been able to gain and maintain control without the "unconditional support" of the United States? Providing such significant military assets and political cover to the Israeli government may have tended to encourage a more aggressive militant approach to both domestic or external threats.

[@sheilabright2091]

Most of all this horror could not have happened without US and EU support and ongoing billions.

[@rosestewart1606]

It's not just the weapons. Because of the infusions of cash from the US, their citizens have a higher standard of living than they would in other countries. Settlers get even more perks.

[@susanmiller14]

If Mossad were unaware, how come the Egyptians were aware 3 days before? Perhaps Netanyahu wanted to use the situation to justify wipeout of Gaza?

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Exactly and precisely SO.

[@AbelOktavian]

Of course , if Israel was unaware of the attack then a Camel can also go through the eye of a needle.

[@kiwitrainguy]

It seems to me that the Israeli government are treating this latest war as The Final Solution To The Palestinian Problem.

[@ryand141]

Source?

[@spreadingpeace893]

Thank you brother for your help for victims and peace

[@nigelstarkey2233]

Thank you Owen another hugely informative interview . People like Prof. Paul Rodgers, Daniel Levy and others really need to be listened to. And may I add another Marwan Bishara (Aljazeera news Middle Eastern correspondent). I have been following his summaries of Middle Eastern events for many years. He would make another fascinating interviewee.

[@beatrizospina6829]

We, the world will not forgive and will not forget.

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Aye, the bullys way never prevails, standards of decency thankfully prevail, as indeed should be first and foremost in certain folks minds with any true insight into recent history.

[@beatrizospina6829]

I hope so@@suzyqualcast6269

[@hussainhashambhoy2415]

But the world forgot the birth of present America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia. All accepted as "respectable". Power corrupts so they say absolute power........

[@beatrizospina6829]

It was another time, this today is unacceptable. @@hussainhashambhoy2415

[@kiwitrainguy]

In New Zealand the settlers signed a treaty with the Maori and it is being honoured (albeit only in the last few decades).@@hussainhashambhoy2415

[@aliajellu]

Owen just keeps going. Bravo brother

[@cujomojo2007]

Like an ever ready bunny? If your not old enough, Google it.

[@gilgamecha]

It's always thought provoking to hear from Paul Rogers.

[@janinetrue]

Excellent guest, thank you.

[@BM-ym5ik]

What a pleasure to hear Prof. Paul Roger. He is a treasure trove of knowledge. Wonderful educating experience. Thank you

[@NadiaFortune]

i have to admit the longer this conflict carries on, a few things are just too fishy. Israel knew about the attack, they even had a meeting the night before? They took more than 8 hours to respond? Hamas had enough time to attack and take hostages to Gaza? Now we hear that the surveillance footage has disappeared of the fence? No, i think netanyahu needed a huge diversion and he was about to go down and he was willing to sacrifice of his own...my personal opinion.

[@kindGSL]

I agree.

[@kareem-48]

Really?. Netanyahu is likely to be finished after this if not end up in jail. I think there’s this hidden mindset that the Palestinians are far too unsophisticated to pull off something like this. If you put the atrocity aside, October 7th was a highly successful military operation. Even the IDF stated as much as have dozens of western military analysts. At some point the west is going to have to wake up and realise that the rest of the world is capable too

[@ukcryptolondonbased2953]

Never underestimate incompetence and hubris.

[@jawadakram3936]

Yeah sometimes people overestimate government institutions bro it could have been in competence. Like even if they knew they didn’t think it would be a huge issue.

[@annamoris9753]

But now everyone hate Netanyahu even more in Israel , I don’t see how this war help his public opinion about him..

[@Freedomentrapment]

Why does Israel's experience of the past always overtake the discussion what about the experience of the Palestine people now? They have experienced ethnic cleansing for the last 75 years, and the concentration camp Gaza people are subjected to. No presenter challenges the experience of Palestinians. What about the insecurity of Yemen, Syria, and Iraq??? Are they allowed to do the same destruction because they feel insecure?

[@mljenk21]

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[@suzyqualcast6269]

Youdve thought that, balanced with their European forefathers experience that the current Israelii leaders/ IDF would exercise a tad more tempered manner, rather than display an attitude more in line with the exterminatory methods enacted agin those same peeps ancestors over half a century ago. But, as ever, those in power act not with the expressed wishes of their people but to their own agenda, with, in back pocket, their voted 'permit'. Just as it ever was, as it ever was.......

[@user-yv3co6ct4v]

Paul Rogers ws the most frequent guest on the Sunday Edition (2000-2020), hosted by Michael Enright on CBC Radio in Canada.

[@ForcesInMotion]

Thank you for the upload. Longtime fan of Paul Rogers. Love his work w/ Bad Company and Free. Respect :)

[@elsamaria1914]

This analysis is Mind-blowing excellent an impartial and I agree that nobody can kill an idea if there is no alternative solution to the problem. Thank you to you both.

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Similarly if the reason for that idea is continually stoked, Poked, inflamed with every further eviction by the occupier.

[@ryanc9241]

its not impartial in any way....virtually no criticism of the Palestinian side, and their role in causing this war and the crimes committed, is voiced at all.

[@elsamaria1914]

@ryanc9241 Try to imagine and visualize yourself being a Palestinian born in a concentration camp or constantly expelled from home with no future, only despair questioning why the injustice. What would you do?

[@samfisher7953]

Resistance will insist anyway unless Palestine gains independence.

[@ferozabismilla637]

​@@RobertTaylor-gz2fuand the bigger picture?.. Even people who didn't know that Israel held children captive in their prisons, for years before Oct 7.... NOW KNOW

[@PalestineSupporter23]

​@@RobertTaylor-gz2fuIsreal created Hamas in Palestine. The British created the IRA in Ireland. The Dutch created the MK in South Africa. In other words, don't go invading, colonising and partitioning other nations and you won't get the CONSEQUENCES that come with it!

[@PalestineSupporter23]

​@@ferozabismilla637thanks 👍☘

[@PalestineSupporter23]

​@@RobertTaylor-gz2fuchildren throwing stones are NOT criminals.... Israel is holding Palestinians without any process, too! Hey, Adolf says hi 👋

[@ferozabismilla637]

Without charges

[@mariatod]

what an interesting conversation, one can learn new perspectives and ideas to look at the situation, Thank you!

[@jurisdictio23]

It's tragic that people are dying on both sides of the conflict, Palestinians and Israelis. Hasn't humanity learned that war achieves nothing but atrocities?

[@SpiroFleecy]

Apparently not. I largely blame religion and nationalism.

[@hunger4jsutice]

Doing nothing also brought death and suffering. The huge nonviolent resistance movement in Palestine was met with slaughter, and no one noticed or cared.

[@beatrizospina6829]

We will stand on what we believe and that is a Palestinian State

[@kevoreilly6557]

Hopefully the Arab States don’t reject the next proposal … faith (sixth?) times a charm

[@ThomasMorrison141]

@@kevoreilly6557 No proposals, they will have their state and the world will make sure of it.

[@markallen6433]

@@ThomasMorrison141what does that even mean? Why is being a delusional virtue signaler who does nothing to improve the lives of Palestinians so trendy. Disgusting.

[@ThomasMorrison141]

@@markallen6433 You're projecting with your "disgust". No one is virtue signaling, we are out in the streets and writing to our representatives, and making economic choices that impact the situation directly.

[@woolcottable]

Calm, reflective and knowledgeable : many thanks

[@ranwaabdelnabi5677]

That was an amazing and very informative and insightful conversation. Thank you.

[@mohammediqbal123]

Thanks Owen great interview. Prof Paul Rogers is a great expert on the Middle East and always a joy to listen to.

[@justjax5271]

Wow! Such an EXCELLENT interview. So interesting. Thanks so much Owen! 😊👍

[@luizamsalgado]

Superb interview by Dr. Rogers! As always you do again a superb job Owen! Greetings frrom Brazil

[@ansuajo]

What is the younger man saying. He proves that English speakers outside the UK are far more universally intelligible than most inside the UK.

[@kiwitrainguy]

He is talking too fast, common among many younger (under 30) KZbinrs.