Why IT Chapter 2 Failed where IT Worked | Anatomy Of A Failure

[@Filmento]

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[@diegolikescode]

U should do more videos. So i don't need to keep watching your old videos a hundred times in a roll. Love u

[@niconachozstudio1952]

Great video

[@BAMGM]

Have you ever, in any way, interacted with JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure? If yes, I think it would be really interesting to hear your take on why, compared the original work’s insane popularity, the 2017 live action film had... a little bit less success. What do you say?

[@grumpyoldwizard]

Be sure an read the remarks on “weiner” size in some of the comments to comments. The are all marked but some are very funny. They show up as comment balloons with Dialog.

[@viktoriabrannstrom6659]

was it so that you would participate in a stream at december 3th?

[@joshmargolis1424]

This movie was like having to complete a dozen fetch quests before the final boss only to find out the items are useless and the final boss fight ends through a cutscene

[@plzcme434]

You should watch film theories Video about it.

[@michaelstrong5383]

That is surprisingly accurate. And even the final boss cutscene was pretty underwhelming.

[@matrixandraia]

I agree with this comment. The movie did a lot of things right. I was astounded when they didn't perform the ritual. I mean, why not? It worked just fine in the book. No reason to change it in the movie. The movie was good, but there was no reason to take the ritual out. It made the whole thing feel like a waste of time, like the OP states.

[@katyfive1]

MatrixAndrAIa the ritual would have atleast given the film makers something creative and different to explore - the unknown. A little space odyssey maybe...buuuut they must have thought it was dumb, and so..made a dumber ending 😣

[@Matutexx17]

Actually, the ritual worked...

[@shiroinamida2002]

in IT's defense, the kids' part of the book was also better

[@lonestarr1490]

It's almost always the same with Stephen King: first half = masterpiece, second half = meh.

[@akirojivril3280]

@@lonestarr1490 except with "The Shining" that book is in my opinion his best book

[@MamaMOB]

I’ve been listening to It on audiobook and I’ve gotten to the middle of the book where the more adult heavy parts happen and I just can’t pick it back up. It’s so boring and I already know all of the interesting things that are going to happen.

[@shiroinamida2002]

@@akirojivril3280 to me, The Shining also has boring bits. the man has a whole chapter of Jack looking at the thing where bees live. I liked Cell or Misery better because it was shorter and had less boring bits.

[@shiroinamida2002]

@@jaykay6222 LMAO we don't talk about that

[@boxinthejack2166]

The scene with the little girl under the bleachers is my favourite part because unlike Georgie, the girl sees red flags right away and walks back, until Pennywise attempts to guilt trip her by fake crying about how he’s always made fun of cuz of how he looks, the girl knows that feeling, so she sympathizes with him. Making her feel awful for leaving thus she goes back in. This shows how cunning IT can really be.

[@lnnrt0161]

I agree that was one of the scenes that worked. I don’t agree with Filmento there

[@sevutuisawau7833]

lol 69 likes

[@mcanepa6787]

A great scene, easily the best one in the movie and not surprisingly completely isolated from everything else that happens

[@nanners2068]

This! I felt the same way. There’s no monster as terrifying as the one that can get you to willingly walk into a trap. Like how IT uses dead family members and friends to lear kids in. That’s the scariest for me.

[@avanishdutta2658]

@Ben K That should have been beginning scene. I am sorry if that makes you think it would have been a copy of the first movie, but it would have established Pennywise effectively. Or else, you have the Gay boys scene. Yes, that scene wouldn't have mattered to the actual plot but at least it would have set up penny's character as terrifying and manipulative.

[@JuanGonzalez-xv7zw]

My biggest problem with this movie was that every time there was a potentially scary scene it was always ruined by some sort of funny one liner or a goofy reaction. I remember watching it at the movie theater and people never stopped laughing throughout the movie

[@mayann0-0]

I've learned after eagerly going to the movies to see Jordan Peele's Us and then being majorly disappointed by the audience, NEVER go to see a highly anticipated movie during popular viewing times. The audience is BEYOND obnoxious and it ruins the entire experience. Next time I go to see a movie I'm excited about, I'll likely go alone at 11am on a Tuesday.

[@JuanGonzalez-xv7zw]

Maya you are 100% right

[@rdaws73]

@@mayann0-0 I've been doing that for over a decade

[@mayann0-0]

@@rdaws73 unfortunately I had to learn the hard way 😕

[@markcrisp07]

yeah it should have been a lot darker and scarier.

[@augustsart5374]

I genuinely feel like the actors carried the whole movie.

[@user-ir8mf7km6w]

bahahahahahahahahahaha

[@usagi2934]

that's true, they're a really nice addition

[@livinlikelarry8788]

Isn’t that what they are supposed to do??? Or am I dumb

[@usagi2934]

@@livinlikelarry8788 Well, not by themselves. It's a group project so the story must also make the product complete. If your actors are the only thing you have carrying your movie, you've got yourself a bad movie

[@valentinomiller6251]

@@usagi2934 There's no such thing as a bad movie with great acting. A bad movie can be made good by good acting just as much as good movie can be made bad by bad acting -- they contradict each other. You can't have good acting but bad directing. You can't have great directing but a bad script. It's like the chemistry of baking: the ingredients must agree. You're right in that all these things make for a great film, so great acting but bad everything else cancel out each other, and makes for a bad movie.

[@billvolk4236]

When Pennywise takes a bite out of that guy by the bridge, the other guy is like "He's eating him! And then he's going to eat me! Oh my gooooooooood!"

[@buccob]

I've never seen Troll 2 but I understood that reference... Nice!

[@kysike666]

😅😅😅😂Trolls

[@Podcastforthewin]

Troll 2 and Rich Evans

[@rhyswong8976]

Yes that is exactly how I felt. Come to think of it, sounds Pennywise is good at making fun. Hahaha

[@calibre97]

@@-Trauma. Don't forget the popcorn!

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"K I S S M E F A T B O Y ! ! !"_ *~ Pennywise The Dancing Clown (1990)*

[@michaelstrong5383]

"I'm Pennywise the Dancing Clown!" "You're a Clown!" *GASP* "Why would you call me that?! That makes me weak for some reason!"

[@keno4770]

That scene from the original has scared me for the last 15 years.

[@ToXicB0OtY]

“KISSMEFATBOI” -*Pennywise The Dancing Clown (2019)*

[@noahsnyder6123]

Okay den

[@Gremlins1957]

That was the best one. These recent ones were crap. But no one will admit it.

[@whitemagus2000]

IT part 1: wtf is that clown monster? IT part 2: Don't worry, we've already seen that monster's stat sheet.

[@onkelpappkov2666]

I rolled a '1'. Brb, taking a bath.

[@haillobster7154]

My expectations magically vanished when I saw Pussywise parachute- landing with those stupid balloons in broad daylight. In the trailer itself.

[@chasebalcziunas4289]

Onkel Pappkov “Roll Dex to get into the tub.” *NAT 1*

[@airtempest8945]

IT novel part 1: 100 page exposition dump (Technically, it's 120 pages, but that doesn't sound as good). Novel part 2: The best part. Novel part 3: Long, long, long scenes of slow actions. Novel part 4: Who cares. Novel part 5: Stuff ends too damn quickly.

[@martinpatella3986]

When that old lady does that little dance in the background ... that was legitimately the most unsettling thing I’ve seen in a long time

[@martinpatella3986]

Ak Am yea, i literally laughed when I saw the design of the monster

[@baileysubliminals7192]

Ak Am I was trying so hard no to laugh infront of my friend and she just said: “ew”. None of us got scared and I’m a paranoid person indeed.

[@Nothereanymore1-r8i]

The Mrs. Kirsh scene was both extremely unsettling in both the book and movies, which I can really appreciate. I don’t get scared or freaked out by horror books like ever, but King was the first author that managed to actually make me extremely dreadful and uncomfortable and that’s why I love his work

[@swlk9996]

Both IT 1/2 are not scary unfortunately. While I found the first movie pretty okay - it’s kind of embarrassing for a horror movie not to be effective at being scary....

[@jcchryzortiz1769]

Same

[@mretlan8528]

Never even thought of it but the kid who plays Georgie is actually a very good actor

[@WRONGWAYGOBACK2]

Jackson Robert Scott is his name

[@lovelandfrog5692]

I know; his crying broke my damn heart!

[@aliciacleeland2257]

I felt so bad when pennywise bit his arm off.

[@halinaqi2194]

@@aliciacleeland2257 shouldnt have trusted clowns in full make up who chill in sewers and storm drains.

[@usagi2934]

@@halinaqi2194 kids are dumb

[@Notthecheese93]

Some parts where I ended up laughing: 1. The grandma running behind and chasing Beverly 2. Bill getting high 3. The leper puking on Eddie while playing "Angel of the morning" 4. Pennywise slamming his head on the mirror 5. The entire head spider scene 6. The dog scene 7. Killing pennywise through roasts This was a comedy indeed.

[@airtempest8945]

Hey, at least they didn't use the ending in the book where Pennywise gets killed by Bill getting help from a magic turtle. No, I am not joking.

[@willc236]

You say that like it's a problem, but I think that the filmakers intended for the film to be viewed from that lens. The studio obviously advertised the film as a horror movie, to capitalize off of the first one, but the film itself is definitely more of a comedy/drama. There are certain scenes and choices that you can not reconcile with a horror lens and only fit in as comedic. Those moments are what cued me in on how the filmmakers wanted the audience to react to other more borderline scenes as comedic and not horror.

[@noobiewatcherz9938]

The Giant Spider where Richie flops and the bass drops is gold.

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

@@airtempest8945 The ritual of Chuud, but also ruining the turtle kinda kills the Macroverse and the entire tie in to the Dark Tower, but then again, The Dark Tower movie killed that on its own, lol

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

The grandma was originally a witch and beverly drinks shit out of a tea cup and fucks all her friends (as a kid), let's be honest, they can't really make an accurate movie, lol

[@AgressivePigeon]

IT: Hey look look *sCaRy ClOwN* ! IT Chapter 2: Hey look famous actors playing with clown.

[@williamerickson520]

The big name actors, as good as they were, did detract from the movie, I think. As they usually do.

[@anetkrausova]

@airlockengage but like... they weren't wrong... and in the end, it wasn't THAT much of a failure... maybe if they'd stick a smidge more to the source (and left in some of the cut scenes), it would be better but as a sequel and the more logical and more "boring" part of the story, it worked... afterall, it wasn't impressionable kids anymore, but adults with their life experiences who got into pennywise's ways an survived once already

[@nandiniduttamandal965]

the first one was actually scary wdym🤨

[@how-iconic]

@@nandiniduttamandal965 not to me, part 1 actually made me laugh because of how corny it was with the cheap jump scares & bad cgi 🤣

[@efge-gc8uu]

IT: Hey look look scary clown! IT Chapter 2: Hey look FaMous ActoRs PlayIng WitH CloWn.

[@michaelstrong5383]

How is it that Chapter One with the kids was more competent and took itself more seriously than with the adults in Chapter Two?

[@felipea1399]

Because in It 2 they KNEW the adult part of the book is worst and used every weak moment as an opportunity to make things more funny

[@hungryforspiders]

one thing i noticed in canadian theatres. the first chapter was rater 18+, and second was only 14+

[@asscheeks3212]

Felipe A that.... that makes a lot of sense, man even the movie creators know how weird the adult parts are

[@M26Hartshot]

I honestly loved the adult parts more in the book, just to see how abuse and trauma can lead to how we grow as people. The real flaw in the movie was the bizarre decision to have Bill Hader as the "main" protagonist. His humor overshadowed the whole film and it felt like the other actors wanted to match his humor. It came across as a fumbling dark comedy rather than genuinely exploring the material.

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@hungryforspiders If 14+ is the equivalent to our PG-13 rating, then that's really appropriate. Because the "scares" in this movie felt like it belongs in a PG-13 horror film than this.

[@douglasammirati8450]

"and the first guy offed himself just because he was scared..." actually, that IS the way it goes in the book...

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

I'm not sure this guy is even aware that there's a book. Or a previous mini series for that matter.

[@proximus1521]

@@MariaIsabellaZNN I thought the same. How he depicted whole scene with bullies and gay cuple. I get it- for someone who dont understand context is this scene for nothing , because rest of similar scenes was cut out. It describes the city and its people under influence of IT- how whole city is roten and inheritly evil.

[@KonEl-BlackZero]

The same book with an underage gangbang?

[@HeloisGevit]

@@KonEl-BlackZero The very same, I still can't believe that shit.

[@proximus1521]

@@KonEl-BlackZero yes, that book. There is reason why they made 3 movies based on this book. King was maybe more then little high on coccain , but minus afew more then quenstionable scenes its really great book.

[@jacotromp59581]

The most shocking and scariest thing about IT Chapter 2 is only 3 hours long, because I could swear that this movie was about 8 hours long when I saw it in the cinema. It just went on and on and on and on and on.

[@LillyOkCool]

The love triangle really dragged on it tbh

[@josephirizarry5195]

It felt like it was 30 hours long.

[@eamonclark4952]

I didn’t feel the runtime at all

[@PopeUrbanX]

When you're adapting a novel over 1000 pages your going to butcher it if you try to make it some 90 minute flick

[@zaccyfn]

Eh the 1990 mini series is 4 hours without ads

[@nopizzawithoutpineapple]

The scariest scenes from IT are the ones that weren't using cgi. It chapter 2: MORE CGI

[@onkelpappkov2666]

Clown Graphic Imagery.

[@kickass2117]

@@onkelpappkov2666 more like Clown Gay Intimacy

[@mew_bleu551]

Too much CGI...

[@nopizzawithoutpineapple]

@@kickass2117 at least IT is not a homophobe

[@nopizzawithoutpineapple]

@@mew_bleu551 obvious cgi sucks generally but in horror it's even more bullshit

[@MeinCouch123]

One thing I could NOT get over in the movie, was how the guy who stayed behind, spent all these years preparing, all this time, and he didn't have the sense to bring guns, or boots, or a wetsuit, or literally anything that would have helped them down in pennywise's lair. Even in the first one, he had the sense to bring the cattle-gun. Makes no sense at all.

[@mazengwe28]

Well #1, the movie already ruined Mike character, when they made Ben the historian instead of Mike. That was a huge mistake they made, because him knowing the history is why Mike was the missing piece in the first place. Instead, Mike was just another kid who had seen Pennywise. Second, I don't know if you have read the book, but Mike doesn't face Pennywise as an adult.

[@mazengwe28]

I always get mad when movies change a character from a book, then create a plothole that they can't get out of. I still haven't seen chapter 2, but How the Hell does Henry survive falling backwards in a pit, when he is crucial to the second part of the book as grownups? Unnecessary change from source material that also creates a plothole.

[@sparkledog9066]

@@mazengwe28 Henry's character in It chapter 2 was so fucking stupid. And they made Mike unlikable which sucks because he was cool in the book. Smh.

[@garysmith3037]

@@mazengwe28 , and I don't think there was a cattle gun in the book

[@mazengwe28]

@@garysmith3037 No there wasn't. That whole arc was completely fabricated. There wasn't any guns mentioned in the whole book. The only person using a weapon was Henry. Mike & Ben were two characters that were nothing like the book, except for their physical characteristics.

[@amandapike2477]

I liked the reasoning in the original It mini-series that they legitimately just wanted to make sure Pennywise wouldn't come after any other kids. It made their reason for staying more noble.

[@sleepdeprivation8390]

The guy who kills himself doesn’t do it because he’s afraid of dying he’s afraid of reliving the horror of his childhood and decides that a “peaceful” death by his own hands is better than facing Derry again

[@christianalexander579]

That wasn't a peaceful death he killed himself

[@crypt5129]

Bruh why not just not go there

[@shelbyjeffery8642]

@@christianalexander579 well obviously but it’s better than being ate by a fucking clown

[@vernwright4338]

PTSD and childhood Trauma..He knows he can’t handle or trust himself in staying strong with his friends taking on PennyWise Which in turn could get all his friends killed.

[@sammyjaohnson5631]

Thats make exactly zero sense

[@mattjones7226]

So, no mention of the song that comes out of nowhere when Eddie is being puked on? Totally took me out of the movie.

[@milesinwyatteandcora]

Made me think about deadpool

[@littlebigbunnyrabbit9520]

@@milesinwyatteandcora yeah they played music

[@Juggler4071]

I hated the incessant soundtrack. Most scenes either had songs or music playing. There was no silence. Whoever scored the film needs to be dumped in a sewer.

[@TheDBZEDITOR]

Juggler4071 Benjamin Wallfisch. He’s a good composer but damn they should have used music where it was needed.

[@WeirdEdz]

Maybe we will have a fan edit to remove the music

[@marcusblack5810]

Chapter 2 should've began with the scene of the little girl under the bleachers. When Pennywise kills her, Mike will catch wind of Pennywise's return because of the rise of missing children. Just a thought.

[@arachnidath]

Or it could have opened with that 3 year old kid in the book who gets mutilated and drowned in the toilet to increase the intensity and urgency of the situation. Then you could have the adults just stay in the town to save the kids. You could show several other children get killed and further motivating our heroes.

[@rageintothelight]

I just hated the ending like this whole time they could of just hurled insults at him repeatedly to defeat him!

[@blakemorton4240]

Right?! Pennywise has been around for thousands of years, and not one single person thought to call him names and/or show no fear of him?? Why didn't the movie just go with the Ritual working like it did in the book?

[@joshuakelly974]

Blake Morton millions*

[@JLDJ007]

They were only able to do it after Eddie died because when adult Richie called h a sloppy bitch it didn't do any damage to pennywise

[@tillypepper7063]

The ritual of chud is what helped them defeat him so, no. They couldn't have done it before. Once Eddie died, Richie's token had been sacraficed as Eddie was his real emotional token. That's why after that, they were able to defeat him.

[@can-chan6119]

Tilly Pepper in my view they should have showed an effect. It looked like they were just making a dramatic scene by the ritual fail.

[@unityreviewandanalysis9870]

While watching the movie, I'm thinking why are the adult characters dumber than when they are kids.

[@lonestarr1490]

Now you know it. Kids are vulnerable even if they're smart. But adults has to be dumb in order to be that vulnerable.

[@jarrodedson5441]

@@lonestarr1490 question for you

[@MrUseless247]

They should have thought out how would Pennywise scare adults. I doubt he would use the same approach he use for kids. I know it's a book, but certain things don't translate very well from page to film. And the adult segment is an example. It said in the book, he would use the racism in the town to his advantage, back before the Loser exist.

[@BajelSilver-i2u]

Well, kids have few distinct fears...darkness, not getting attention/food etc. But adukts have a lot more fears. fear of losing job, trauma in workplace/family, being unpopular. So Pennywise ironically has the adults more vulnerable than kids. that's my opinion. No saying, " shutup dumbass." or the likes of that. Coz many toxic commenters do that. Peace Bro!

[@Spartan11117777]

Don’t you think it was Pennywise’s influence / magic / power that makes them have a different state of mind like a vulnerable child-like state of mind? I mean he can make the Adults in that Town all ignore that kids are missing. He’s capable of mental manipulation. Sure they put up missing posters of the kids but it’s been repeating every few decades and the problem has gone unsolved until the Loser’s club decides to do something about it once they come back. They were even saying they completely forgot IT existed while they were living their own lives out of that Town + State except the Black Kid who stayed there in that Town.

[@WhoTookMyMirr]

the most terrifying part of the scene where Georgie gets dragged into the sewer drain is that there was someone watching the entire time and they did absolutely nothing.

[@jayquinn9157]

The way Pennywise's arm extends from the sewer was what did it for me, it extended just enough to look inhuman.

[@Den-xb5og]

The cat couldn't do anything

[@cloudeia6894]

@@Den-xb5og if you rewatch, you'll see that the old woman of that house sees him, goes into the house, comes back out and hes gone and there's just blood.. meaning she somewhat knows what happened, has most likely lived through a previous time of Pennywise and either experienced him herself or saw someone close to her get eaten by him, and remembers because she never left.

[@MidnightHedgehog365]

It's a great showcase on how vulnerable these children are because of Pennywise's influence in the adults

[@FletcherMiddletonW]

THE CAT 😂😂😂

[@recoveringintrovert717]

The kids were way better. All of them. Bill Hader was hilarious, but he couldn't save it. Beverly for example was played better by her child actor. She had way more charisma. It felt like the adult Beverley was an entirely different character

[@Cinedragon]

Yes! Kid Beverly was tough as nails, while adult Beverly felt like a scream queen. No guts whatsoever.

[@terry12fins24]

Yes, the kids had the great chemistry. The adult actors were doing their best, but something was missing.

[@davidkonevky7372]

Yeah, I remember the kids being the best part of the first movie, they felt vulnerable and relatable

[@fexbio]

The theme of this movie should be a simple question: "are you sure?" I mean, they figured out how to defeat Pennywise in the first movie, ok... but there is an element of supernatural here. And the thing with the supernatural is that nothing is really knowable. You can think you figured something out, but then you might learn you missed something or misunderstood something, and now it came back to bite you in the ass. By this I don't mean that the plot must disobey its own internal rules. It sucks when that happens. But you can play with the feeling we all get when someone ask us: are you sure? Are you sure you defeated him? Are you sure you figured everything out and didn't miss anything? For examplo, are you sure you can skip town? You say that stakes don't get high because they can just leave. So, imagine a scene where one of them decides to leave, but then something aparently random happens that impedes his exit. A car accident, I don't know. The person don't die, but goes to an empty hospital room ann, at night, in that vulnerable state - perhaps a broken leg or something that impaires his movement - he receives a visit from Pennywise. He knows how to defeat it? Yes. But he can't do it right now. And it also have the serious implication that you can't, actually, leave town, for something is gonna mantain you there and make you vulnerable. Even if it isn't true. It doesn't mean that's real, what's important is that the characters think that's real and will act accordingly. The feeling of uneasiness comes from not knowing, but also from questioning what you know. Fear is a very basic instinct that, even when it's overcome, it never really goes away. It just have to be handled right.

[@inkakoutna7155]

I agree. Having them doubt themselves and their memories and rebel in some way and then paying for it would be better. I know that in the book each of them is going their separate ways and they have the cool scares but even in the book the statue part was pretty dumb. Why not instead go separate ways out of the town or gather info just to pay for it and establish the sence of fear and responsibility

[@fortheloveofcinema]

It could also have potential to create solid conflict with the characters like maybe Mike invited them to town bc he was trapped and felt scared and alone, forcing them to be trapped with no way other than to fight Pennywise. A selfish decision that could lead to all of their deaths but also an extension of the theme of unity and friendship in spite of hardship. Maybe it could even present a conversation about Mike’s race, a factor mostly left out of the two films, and how he’s always felt alone because of it and how they used to be the antidote for that feeling of isolation. It’s a fair point.

[@efge-gc8uu]

ok

[@lewischarlesworth6697]

This is why the book worked so much better than the films because it isn't just split into them as kids then as adults, it's told as they remember Derry as they come back into It's influence as adults. It's not really a story that can be split that cleanly as the child experiences of It tie into the adult experiences and vice versa.

[@JD_and_Gaming]

“What is there to fear?” *Suddenly Raid Shadow Legends ad* Yeah that makes sense

[@ryanpetersen3789]

I’m a seasoned horror fan, so I stopped going into horror movies looking for scares. I just look to be entertained. And honestly, I was very entertained by both It Chapters 1 and 2. The novel is my favorite of all time, but bias aside, the cast and story keeps me hooked from beginning to end. I saw each film 3-4 times in theaters and just haven’t grown bored of them. They’re flawed, but I just think they nailed more than they didn’t.

[@williamerickson520]

The novel is also my fav of all time (read it 8x now). I think the filmmakers did the best they could with the material and keep fans of the book guessing as to what will happen.

[@1992WLK]

I don't dislike Chapter Two. I just feel like it mainly suffers from the story not being as 'tight' as Chapter One's. Specifically. It feels like there's two or three long-form scenes (when each go their separate ways), and that they could have been swapped around and it not change the chronology of events. Which doesn't allow them to have as much compounding weight/meaning going forward. That's not to say it could have been done better, just why I prefer Chapter One. The ending of the fight also feels anticlimactic. Not wrong, everything before it allows it to make sense. Just muted, especially with all the craziness that happened right before it. Chapter Two has some great scenes though. I am still unnerved at what happened under the bleachers.

[@absolutew33b]

@Jon Galt Says the guy who commented "Get a life" when no one asked for their opinion. 10/10

[@jarHead2313]

I actually didn't really like the first IT movie, I tried to but I watched it immediately after listening to the IT audiobook and was very nit-picky, I saw IT 2 in theatres and I loved it much more because it felt closer to what I knew, sure a few things were changed but I agreed with the changes in the second more than the first

[@TheLeugim66]

“There is not terror in the bang, only the anticipation of it.” - Alfred Hitchcock

[@jerec1267]

Remember guys, you can solve all your problems by bullying them.

[@Manamanamana36]

Well most of them

[@omniframe8612]

Man that scene made me feel bad for pennywise and that wasn’t supposed to happen 😂😂

[@LNIGHTREELS]

Frizzurd, was that in the book, cause if it was it would confirm to me that King was on SOMETHING when he wrote IT.

[@ryannishikawa1356]

@@LNIGHTREELS coke is one helluva drug lol

[@magicthegavining]

richie being attacked by paul bunyan makes sense because he is being attacked by the definition of manhood, something that richie is insecure about

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

in the book it's kinda of one his fears, no real connection to manhood I don't think. It's also a giant Pennywise at one point.

[@magicthegavining]

Adam absolutely correct just in the sense of the movie it makes sense but yes you are one hundred percent correct

[@zachkh]

But it doesn't relate to homosexuality. That's a stretch

[@chazchoo99]

Also, I don't remember Richie being homosexual in the book. Pretty sure that was just added for the movie. He took part in the infamous gangbang with Bev.

[@magicthegavining]

@@chazchoo99 Yea he wasnt gay in the book but we are talking about the scene in the context of the movie

[@williamerickson520]

You definitely hit on the weaknesses of this half of the adaptation. This, in my opinion, is due to the fundamental changes made in the first movie. Probably the biggest challenge in adapting this particular novel. If you haven't already, I recommend reading it. Also, the opening sequence comes directly from the book, adjusted for time period (originally set in 1985). In the book it shows how Pennywise's influence has over the town itself, which doesn't come across well in the film mostly because they omitted the trial of the three attackers afterward.

[@brennaleigh3]

I enjoyed part 2 not as a horror film but as a comedy. Not sure if that was intentional on the filmmaker's part though!!

[@NPC-nn4qe]

@Ellen Arnold The giant turtle was in the book, though. They just couldn't make it work in film.

[@trillionbones89]

Well it his a horror comedy, at least one aspect of the movie worked for you!

[@laststrike4411]

@@NPC-nn4qe I think the point he's trying to make is that the story about a bunch of kids ganging up to lay the mental/spiritual beatdown on an obnoxious murderous clown was always going to be a little ridiculous, especially if it was written by King.

[@willc236]

That's pretty much how I felt about it and I think it makes sense. Pennywise hasn't changed, but the kids grew up. He may have scared them as kids, but adults know how to make light of situations and cope with fear using humor. And pennywise is literally a clown, so you can't make the argument that humor at some level was never an integral part of the story.

[@RastaGamesful]

I think the main claim to this movie is that the scary moments from the 1st movie don't work anymore. And they had to come up with new, but this time not particularly turned + the timing was very lengthy and did not have to stretch everything.

[@mitchellhorton9382]

The two parts of the story are different kind of stories. Adult IT is not a horror story in the conventional sense it's more of a classic scifi story that starts with horror in the setup but unlike most horror stories the protagonist isn't a vapid teenager, it's someone competent. The same happens hear; the 2nd part isn't as scary because you know the Losers are badasses at heart, even if they've forgotten. In the books the only actual threat in the latter half is when the bully gets freed because unlike Pennywise he's a fully physical and corporeal threat. Trying to handle this as a story and a sequel in the same genre misses out. It's a horror story with a scifi sequel. It requires a tonal shit, ala Alien to Aliens or Terminator to Terminator 2.

[@kyotheman69]

other issue with original TV movie failed as well, in the book even when parts when they were adults there were tons of moments it switches back to when they are kids, and again they failed to really do that in part two and focus far to much on adult side instead switching back and forth like the book, why the book worked and both movie versions failed.

[@mitchellhorton9382]

@@kyotheman69 Well the book wasn't written to be read as two separate stories, so I think having them spaced apart really hurts.

[@jarrodedson5441]

@@mitchellhorton9382 question for you

[@Cinedragon]

While the comedy factors worked for me, every time there was a scary scene they lightened the mood with a joke. Like they weren't taking this as seriously than when the losers were kids. I also expected it to be a lot darker. Adults are not as easy to scare as kids so I was expecting from Pennywise to do a lot worse.

[@samuelbosman9572]

10:43, I thought this moment in the movie could have been very strong. If instead of the little hands, they would have gone for the actual clown, the scene would mirror the opening scene of It. This would end up the same, with Bill escaping. But it would mean so much more. Namely, were back in the day Georgie could not move against Pennywise, Bill now shows that he can. It creates an underlying meaning which plays the role of foreshadowing and would give much more meaning than what we now get to see. The thrill of the moment really went all downhill from the point of the little hands.

[@captainvader921]

Eh, I still don't like the fact that Bill got over his brother's death at the end of Chapter 1, and then he's getting over it again 27 years later. Like the moment Georgie popped up in the climax of Chapter 2, I just got annoyed, thinking "didn't we already go through this?", though maybe it's because I watched both movies back to back, which I don't recommend

[@edwartvonfectonia4362]

What do you mean? IT 2 was one of my favourite comedies of 2019!

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

More like horror comedy at its finest.

[@Bloodhurl67]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 Is that a good thing?

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@Bloodhurl67 Well, it depends.

[@JRF1004]

Neet Neat Not with this case no

[@Bloodhurl67]

@@JRF1004 Damn.

[@justinchalifoux4424]

I’ll be honest, the film just felt really emotional. Barely scary but damn did I feel attached to the characters

[@persona2is]

cause the cast was great from bill hader to james mcavoy,,, the only reason why i love this movie. they really felt like the kids all grown up

[@kenz4883]

yessss 10000% agreed

[@dannyhuskerjay]

read the book and see how much more attached you'd be. In this movie most of them are assholes. In the book as adults despite forgetting when they come back they feel like best friends again and they have each others backs.

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

@@dannyhuskerjay That's true, also, the second half of the book is less scary, they are back to kill the clown, they aren't afraid of him anymore, just afraid of death.

[@alejandrojimenez1685]

@@user-sw1wq8lh2w idk about them not being scared of It, Stan literaly killed himself because He couldn't stand the fact of facing It again. And while they are remebering what happened, when they were kids, on the way back to the town, SK is constantly pointing out how scared they are of coming back to Derry.

[@kingtraf5311]

That scene where the lady pauses and just smiles for an extended period of time gives me nightmares to this day.

[@bones22j]

I don’t think chapter 2 was supposed to be a horror movie at all.

[@wjzav1971]

It worked well as comedy

[@bones22j]

WJZAV yea it did. Also had a few other genres in there too.

[@samuel_eee4744]

A Gore Comedy,

[@Starburst514]

I don't either, and the book itself is kinda like that, I mean its scary and has gore, but I always took it more as a drama about friends who share a collective trauma revisiting it as adults

[@karlkarlos3545]

If you really think they made it intentionally funny, you only make excuses for obvious incompetence.

[@1MinecraftSeries]

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, even though it’s heavily flawed and doesn’t live up to the first movie. But gosh darn it, I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t entertaining.

[@ethanburch422]

Yeah. I genuinely thought it was a good movie

[@habaneropepper4156]

The theater was filled with laughter it was awful.

[@realyoriginalchanel3218]

For me it was scary because it was more accurate to the book at points and so it came out extreamly emotional

[@inkakoutna7155]

Even in the book I was more intrigued by the children's point of view and their fears. But the book is clever in leaving secrets that the grown ups need to remember after going back to Derry. Killing of the gay couple, the brother and the suicide was the introduction of Pennywise in the book. We know exactly what he is about- he escalates violence, he preys on the weak and he Doesn't Mess Around. He is real force of violence and fear. IT just spend all that Pennywise power on the first movie and wasn't able to think of anything effective that wasn't in the book

[@JohnGalt916]

I was so mad when I look at the theater after it chapter 2. It was like every time there was a tense moment that would actually feel kind of intense. they ruined it by a cartoon CGI monster. It turned into a cartoon like every 5 Seconds. My favorite part of the book and the 1990s miniseries was when Beverly met that old woman in her childhood home. That was uncomfortable and creepy and disturbing. They turn it into a joke? it was one of the funniest part of the movie. It wasn't meant to be f****** funny

[@kyotheman69]

yeah but even TV movie failed to and far to many corny and unscary moments in adult side, all the kids stuff was great why part one for both worked, but in book it still when characters were adults it had moments it switch back to they were kids and reason why the book worked.

[@UnfoundFilms]

The filmmakers clearly got cocky after the first movie. Everything thats great about these movies is mostly down to the source material. They did a decent job adapting the story but the scares are a mess.

@@UnfoundFilms I totally agree with you.

[@UnfoundFilms]

Agustin Camejo yknow what would of been scarier? If she ran before the old lady came running out and we never saw what she looked like and just heard the voice.

[@rogerfvb]

Uh... The CGI didn't ruin the old woman scene. It was creepy as fuck and then we got the clown makeup scene right afterward.

[@ABirdDad]

"the first guy killed himself because he was scared of dying" yeah makes sense to me

[@williamerickson520]

Stan kills himself because he's afraid to face IT again. The suicide note thing at the end of the movie was pointless and dumb.

[@MrRemicas]

He was too scared to returned to Derry and face Pennywise again, but knew if the gang wasn't together they'd fail. So he took a third option and killed himself. That way he wouldn't have to get back to the nightmare, but his friends could still beat the monster.

[@MKT-7777]

@@williamerickson520 no, he killed himself because he knew that he would be scared, and since Pennywise feeds on fears, he'd be stronger and all The Losers would get killed

[@humannature4327]

There was a man in the neighbouring city, who killed himself , because he has the fear that he will die of covid infection and he wasn't even infected...so that person committed suicide , because he had the fear of death, so it is not that illogical

[@silverchariot1579]

Did you just say sacred?

[@Johannes9126]

The "killing the gay dude" scene worked pretty well in the book, however.

[@hendrix808]

@Damian Rubio I do understand what you mean but the scene should show us that not even adults are save bc in the first movie it was all about just kids can see/interact with pennywise and the adults are all "brainwashed" and somehow "safe". I hope you gonna get what I mean bc english is not my native language 😁

[@hendrix808]

@Damian Rubio so they should cancel an important part of the novel and replace it? They did such an amazing job in terms of 'always keeping an eye on the novel' and that would be total out of place if they did something like that. But yes, perhaps for people who don’t know the novel and just want an good movie, that would be a good idea

[@frde2190]

It doesn’t work in the context of the movie. The death of Georgie has a huge impact on the story and is the big theme for Bills character arc. This one has zero impact on the story except for showing Mike that penny wise was back, which I’m not even sure he said in the film or anything

[@taidko376]

@@frde2190 in the book the scene with the gang beating up the gay man was there to Show how bad the town is. Pennywise was just there feeding off the negativity. He is drawn to the town like a magnet bcs the People in it are already rotten themselfs. It also shows how although the main cast escaped the town, they were always doomed from the start, unable to change anything about their life since they left (Beverly still having an abusing male figure in her life, Eddie having an health obsessed controling wife etc.)

[@frde2190]

@@taidko376 I know I’ve read the book. They explain it in the book but not in the movie

[@Starriaaa]

The movie lowkey felt like a parody of the first one

[@user-cm4op2kz3y]

@Ak Am Only difference that the gremlins 2 was a comedy on purpose

[@BeccaBuckLebowski]

I just want to mention: In the book, scenes like the one with the gay couple make sense, because they tell you how IT turned the town evil, so to speak. He fills the athmosphere with evil, so the spark to do a horrible thing is more likely to cause an inferno of horror. Sure some smalltown folks sure don't like gays, because they irritate their conservative worldview, but it is IT's doing, that they actually try to kill a guy. Maybe the white townsfolks don't like the idea of a bar for black people run by black people, but it is IT's doing, that they actually lock the bar and burn the people inside alive. But a book has all the time in the world to establish such an idea, whereas movies usually can't. I think, that's why they cut these 'episodes' from the 90's films all together.

[@Kissamiess]

Yeah, I got the "not just IT but the whole town" realization from the Tim Curry version too when they exposit it at the end. It's a good angle to take, but too heavy handed to jump on like that right at the beginning. Would have hinted at by having the gay couple to go to a dark alley or some other dangerous path to avoid the bigots, but then Pennywise kills them and is more proactive about it. Try to make it more of a dawning realization as the film progresses that the town is evil.

[@BeccaBuckLebowski]

@@Kissamiess You also get a little hint of this concept in the 2017 movie, the first part. When the bullies try to cut open Ben's belly, a car drives by, but the couple inside the car wouldn't bother to stop and intervene. They just look for a brief moment and drive by. There sure are a few ways, to deliver this concept, like the one you mentioned, or simple narration, but I really think, it's harder to achieve in the short time, a movie has to offer.

[@shadowseeker97]

@@BeccaBuckLebowski The new movie chose a lot of subtle ways to show how the town is a problem too, ways which far too often fly over people's heads without someone telling them directly this is what this means, the racism in the first movie. The bully that is never really stopped because of his dad. Speaking of dad's Beverly's dad was horrible and again never stopped. And the gay guy that dies in the first scene of the second movie comes back as a zombie during the later hallucination with Richie. Taunting him and showing to the audience what may have happened if he ever came out in Derry. Its a well done movie. The whole point of both movies is that Pennywise is fear and evil incarnate, the town will never stop it on its own. The kids have to do it, the very victims he tried to beat.

[@operaghostkay]

shadowseeker97 yeah, I get what you mean. I personally enjoyed both movies but that could be because of nostalgia from both the book and the mini series. Tbh, everything said in this video is true, but I think the thing that truly let me down in this movie was the Ritual of Chüd. In the book it was portrayed as an ancient battle of the minds that showed that people with strong willpower will prosper over evil, whereas in the movie it was kinda half assed with it’s “burn some random shit in a pot and fight the clown” concept. Though the overall ending of the book was fucking awful, this aspect was good. The movie had a sweet ending with Stanley’s letter to the losers, but the events leading up to it in the films climax just weren’t there. I don’t think we really needed a 40 minute climax or flashbacks to scares that we never saw. I know some of them are essential like Richie being exposed but did we really need to see Eddie’s mom getting tongued by the lepper ,the scene where Ben is chased down by a flaming Beverly or Bill crying about Georgie again?

[@taurusdragon4763]

Not all people read that book and watch the mini-series. The director needs to do better to deliver these subtle - hidden message. You cannot just expect people or audiences understand that a car drives passed by a kid that getting bullied is a work of IT or a gay couple getting beaten is also because of IT. To me the IT there in that scene really looks like he was anticipating for free meals from a bunch of bullies

[@UberMan5000]

Having read some of the book and generally familiar with its plot, the problem is, while the kid's story is about an evil clown trying to eat them, the adult story is just this clown trying to keep the kids away from its "territory" so that it can eat its victims, unfettered by the last group that defeated it. That's one reason the kids had successful careers as adults: Pennywise manipulated things so that they'd never want to go back to Derry, and if they did, they'd want to leave quickly. The scares would have been more effective if they cast doubt and madness into the character's minds, instead of just "ERMUHGURD SCARY CGI!!" That's why Stan killed himself at the beginning: he was already very doubtful, and would rather die than confront his childhood promise. The tone of this part of the story is also highly nostalgia-driven, since they're remembering things that scared them as kids, how they remembered themselves, and how these things might give them strength. Forgetting this is what Pennywise wants, so nostalgia is considered a strong force against it. That gives the horror more of a mawkish quality. As to some of the plot points, like Pennywise eating the guy who gets mugged and thrown off a bridge, and the attack by the giant Paul Bunyan statue, these are apparently things in the book, so it's tempting to think the filmmakers were kind of hobbled by the material. Some of the scenes, like the girl under the bleachers, seemed like they were added to compensate for the story's goofier elements.

[@MasterVenik]

The ending of Chapter 2 was awful. I was in the theater with my friend watching it and we were hearing the rest of the audience laughing with us at how they kill Pennywise. They cyberbullied an ancient eldritch horror to death... Oh the climactic battle of ages, indeed. You'd think Bill himself wrote the end of this movie for how much flak he gets for writing shitty endings.

[@CS-pg4go]

@Jules Winnfield i mean pennywise is an alien from outer space

[@CS-pg4go]

@Jules Winnfield yeah i get you. but i was trying to make a pun out of "cyber"bullying.

[@theepoopydoodoo]

Basically, if Pennywise was on Wild n Out, he'd die

[@BubyBurr]

just so you know before cyberbullying there was actually this thing called just bullying, where you harass people in person instead of online.

[@pa.encema2821]

@@theepoopydoodoo 😅🤣😂

[@arumikahaven]

The only part that scared me lowkey was when Richie got caught in the deadlights. It was the only scene that gave me the creeps. Everything else though was just goofy

[@sleepbaby17]

That's my FAVORITE part of the movie!! And one of few parts I actually liked in the film. I rewound that part like 5 times. It caught me so off guard and the visuals and timing were so haunting. I always thought the deadlights concept was silly and not scary. But when I saw that part, it was the first time I actually felt terrified of them.

[@dannyeye1]

That didn't even scare me because in the book Bill and Richie defeat It while in the deadlights so i figured the movie was about to jump into that scene.

[@walrus_butter3650]

If they called this a comedy instead of horror, then everyone would be fine with it.

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

Problem is it’s not really that funny either

[@christianalexander579]

It's not a comedy

[@tico5058]

@@christianalexander579 it definitely is

[@assumptionisthemotherofall2402]

They gave the director to much money in the budget, sometimes less is more and more is less

[@WRONGWAYGOBACK2]

Yeah,now blame the director

[@assumptionisthemotherofall2402]

Trashmouth Marko I do

[@vocetemgostodementiroso3230]

@@WRONGWAYGOBACK2 Yes, it's his own fault

[@WRONGWAYGOBACK2]

@@vocetemgostodementiroso3230 or Screenwriter's fault? Ever think of that,fucknut?

[@misaeltoral508]

Trashmouth Marko He’s a mediocre director to be honest. Got lucky the first time

[@Catdogomeow]

The random song when Eddie was puked was like one of the worst decisions the directors ever made

[@joshuarumsey5639]

No, it was funny... It made us think of something else for a while... Just like in IT one in Ben's Room.

[@misaeltoral508]

Joshua Rumsey It was stupid and untimely. What was funny about it?

[@karinuhhh187]

Misael Toral exactly cause it was stupid and untimely is what made it funny cause you didn’t expect it ;)

[@joshuarumsey5639]

@@misaeltoral508 Well seems you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe research the actual book and what "IT" is about before watching the movie. That's the sort of movies this is. It's perfectly fine.

[@victorhugoswift]

It was so stupid. What a mistake. Ruined the film completely.

[@valkyriefeirro1744]

In stranger things Bob tells will about being stalked by a clown The timeline adds up Bob was being stalked by Penywisw

[@LindseyStudios]

The opening of the 2nd movie was straight out of the book. Pennywise was weak, and preying off of helpless people. Also the entire purpose of this opening scene is to bring the Losers back together...

[@nfgdrummer21]

LindseyStudios THIS

[@Ratchet2431]

But they should have changed it so that Pennywise's threat felt real.

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

@@Ratchet2431 He cause the hate crime, he causes all the violence and evilness of Derry, he is Derry...

[@brandonalessio1586]

I agree. That is the problem with splitting it between kids and adults. It ruins the pacing. The portions where they were kids were the best parts, however splitting it into kids and adults ruins the pacing and puts the best parts in part 1

[@UltromanTheTacoman]

The biggest problem with IT 2, is that they don't remind the viewers that IT controls all of Derry. The point was made in the first movie, but they only touched on it briefly and didn't really "cement it", so it's not made clear that literally everyone they interact with while in Derry could be controlled by IT (or not) at any moment. That's one of the scariest parts of this whole thing. Yeah, the monsters are scary, but literally anyone in town could be trying to lure them into a trap. There are many nuances that aren't included very well in the film, but I think it might be hard to do, because the book has so much longer to hammer its points in with subtlety. And then of course that all of the monsters don't sell their scariness very well, to the point where just a picture of Tim Curry smiling and dressed as Pennywise, is heaps scarier.

[@ashsevildead]

The reason that the giant statue was meant to relate was that its this big strong manly man. Relating to his fear of being shunned and called effeminate for his sexuality.

[@Tyschnydes]

No lol it’s just that he thought it looked creepy when he was a kid. Don’t read too far into this, Stephen King wrote this book with the help of his trusty coauthor, cocaine.

[@ashsevildead]

Mr. Moseby This isn’t the book, he wasn’t scared of that as a kid, he was scared of clowns. Once you add the context of him being gay it adds an extra reason for him to be scared of that thing.

[@7th.trumpet]

So you're saying richie is feared of men..that means Richie is hetrophobic?

[@ashsevildead]

Northy not at all, he is scared of people who say he isn’t a “man” and social rejection

[@ashsevildead]

Northy just because you’re scared of being called effeminate doesn’t mean you hate the people who are all masculine.

[@fathlight812]

I actually enjoy the movie, but the Ending makes me say : WTF

[@davidgantenbein9362]

While watching this video, I realized that I did not like the flashy scenes in broad daylight. They feel less real and hence remind me of it being illusions. But the unknown in the previous films was also the question if such scenes were real or illusions. seeing all the people around just ignoring Pennywise from the start pretty much tells me: it’s an illusion right away.

[@Ripcookiethief]

The dumbest part about the Pennywise design is his teeth. It's not scary, it's not cool to look at, it's not a good effect. And its used like 30 times.

[@LucasCosta-io8vr]

How is a riped mouth full of sharp teeth not scary?

[@ttttillermand]

It is scary IMO, or at least it was the first time. Thing is, IT is an amorphus, semi-omnipotent, otherworldly being who can take literally any form it wishes. With those powers i wish the creators would be a little more creative and not resort to the same teeth-filled mouth all the time...

[@eleven-hopper]

It was only scary to me the first time I ever saw it but after that it was just the same thing over and over again

[@uhoh6706]

For a guy who can turn into anything, you think he would be more creative besides teeth. It was scary the first time but the more he uses it, the less scarybit becomes if that makes any sense. Like jumpscares, its okay the first take but multiple ones are lazy

[@UnfoundFilms]

@@LucasCosta-io8vr Its terrifying, if you're a small child.

[@jahcode6132]

Filmento: "It's not scary, not at all" Me, who was terrified throughout the entire move: "Haha yeah. . ."

[@blyat8832]

How were you scared lmao this is about as scary as the milked to death fnaf franchise lmao

[@iexplainjokestomakethemles1560]

scary? it was annoying at most. the first part was genuinely good though.

[@extremedrumming3393]

I legitimately though it was scary. Idk why. Most horror movies dont do it to me but this one was spooky to me. I guess it's kind of subjective.

[@christianalexander579]

Horror movies aren't even scary or good anymore i stopped watching them

[@revolverocelot1754]

@@blyat8832 just because something doesn’t scare you, it doesn’t mean that it cannot be scary for others.

[@gerritk1504]

Regarding your dissection of the intro: for people, who read the book, that scene is indeed scary, as it showcases It's influence on Derry. The two guys attacked are homosexual, which is nothing short of a death sentence in Derry and that is, because It influences the people's minds living in Derry. So for me, that was one of the only genuinely good scenes in the movie. But if we only have the context of the film, you're right, then it's just amazingly bad and lazy writing.

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

I smiled when I saw they stuck to the script enough to open the second half the same way. It's influence on Derry is a huge part of the book, that's hard to explain in 6 hours, let alone 3.

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

That's why it doesn't translate well into the movie, the tone is different, in the book these characters introduce Derrry as a vital element to the story, and it's their death the act of cruelty that awakens IT. And the book also goes out of it's way to describe it from the attacker's perspective and what he might have seen. It's rethreading bozo's MO.

[@joonaslehtonen7965]

They never established here that pennywise effects Derry and its people. This was just random beating, atleast thats what it seemed. You have to be familiar with the book to know that it was pennywises doing.

[@onastick2411]

In the book, two cops are interrogating the other gay guy who survived, and he describes Derry (to their mystification), as a whore with maggots in her cooze (or something like that, it's been many years), his realistic assessment, and their mystification, outlines neatly that the menace is within, that most are oblivious to the silent predator in their midst's. This sets up the horror, that it moves unseeing, through the streets, seeking the vulnerable, head cocked in the predators deadly questing angle. Perhaps they should have done 2 in black and white, with a film noir twist?

[@MikeTall88]

I did not get the feeling that scene had anything to do with IT.. He just happened to stroll by and earn an easy kill from someone already terrified. It just came across as a political statement.

[@Ushi123]

It chapter one wasn't really scary either. For me it just worked because of the chemistry between the kids.

[@juliapalos2077]

The girl's father was the scariest thing in the movie, for sure.

[@Mrlaneck]

You not finding it scary isn't the same as the movie not being scary. I do understand what you mean though.

[@dmin5782]

@@Mrlaneck But isn't fear subjective? Both lines mean the same pretty much

[@jrm371]

Same

[@christianalexander579]

I don't enjoy watching horror movies anymore

[@Alexander-gv1in]

4:45 The Minecraft eating sound broke me in half😂😂

[@dinolover]

"The fact that the movie opened with the douchebags and not pennywise is why you dont fear him for the rest of the movie. Because your first horror was towards the douches and anything after doesnt hit as hard" Fuck man you nailed it on the head on why this movie felt off in the first 5 mins.

[@jonaskeller4687]

That's how the book opens the adult storyline as well, though. It makes clear from the beginning that evil isn't just in the bodily representation of Pennywise - the whole of Derry is ripe with it.

[@cleanerben9636]

@@jonaskeller4687 That's rubbish how does King get away with it?

[@vallows]

the jumpscares every 5 minutes got annoying

[@WRONGWAYGOBACK2]

It's a fucking horror movie,what did you expect?

[@CasualLog]

@@WRONGWAYGOBACK2 a good horror movie doesnt use jumpscares every 5 minutes

[@WRONGWAYGOBACK2]

@@CasualLog there are not jumpscares every 5 minutes,maybe in the beginning but there are six main characters dude

[@Garthorium]

@@WRONGWAYGOBACK2 Number of characters is irrelevant to the argument presented. I sat down and watched part 1 with my parents. The jumpscares are overwhelming to the point they are obnoxious. A good deal of them are just Pennywise screaming like a stuck pig flailing around and running at the camera or some shit. There's little-to-no creativity. Meh.

[@joshuarumsey5639]

There was literally none... Like 3 in total...

[@squarecross7383]

„Well actually in the books…“ Guys If the first movie could be enjoyed without knowing the books and the second one can´t, that means it is an inferior product. Period.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

Because the kids part of the book was better than the second, it's not the movies fault that it was given an interior part of the story. Blame the book for screwing the movie.

[@cyberneticsquid-godofmassd3759]

Reminds me of the two shinings. The one more accurate to the book was deemed worse, because some things just don't translate well from page to screen.

[@davidkonevky7372]

Exactly, the first movie didn't follow the book perfectly when it comes to some plot points, but the atmosphere of Derry and the personality of the characters were carefully recreated to perfection.

[@seederentertainment3340]

I can agree with that. I personally love both movies and the book. But I 100% enjoyed chapter 2 more because of the book. Sucks they couldn’t translate it in a better way like chapter 1

[@guicaldo7164]

I'll be honest I loved both movies, and found them both really scary (except in some scenes where the CG was very obvious). But maybe that's just because I'm easily scared

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

This movie could’ve been better if Pennywise said he’s Marry Poppins every time he’s coming down from his balloons.

[@carta360]

I'm Marry Poppins ya'll!

[@pedrodaniel8897]

Endgame is s#t end boring movie

[@captaincraftit696]

@@pedrodaniel8897 consume diabeetus

[@Jelle175]

The weird thing is that this movie doesn't scare me at all. But at one random moment a year he haunts my dreams and scares the shit out of me... 😅

[@Benny-Arts]

I found the part where bev went to her old house scary because it played on my anxiety with how the convo was so normal but the actions of the lady wasnt.

[@TecDax]

And that's why the book is focused on the kids part, with the adults part merely functioning as a frame.

[@sephandremanticore5438]

what's to be understood about the continuity issues is that the children parts are meant to be "remembered differently" per character as no two people share precisely the same memories and the ordeal with Pennywise and the Losers' desire to forget the whole thing makes those memories even less identical.

[@Robert-White]

Calling it 2 a love letter to it(2017) is like calling the second half of the it book a love letter to the first hlf

[@supercharliegalaxy]

I decided I'm gonna take the books Stand By me and IT. It's about how friends grow while on a trip through the woods to find a dead clown. I'm calling this book "Stand by it"

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

Basically Stranger Things Season One

[@MattC78]

"Stand by Me" is a short story from King's Different Seasons book, and the title of the story is called "The Body".

[@vaderguitarplayer]

I think it was great. Having read the book I think it was a fairly faithful adaptation that trims the fat and adds appropriate things to make it cinema ready. And I did not mind the funny moments in the second. I don't really need it to be terrifying. I enjoy the concept as a whole and feel it was done well.

[@Laxhoop]

I know they didn’t want to stray too far from the source material, but the grown up parts have always been the weakest parts of IT, even in the book. I would have simply re-written the characters to all have a sense of “There are other kids in this town. Kids who were like us. We can’t let them have to fight this thing, like we had to.” This sense of needing to protect the next generation, is what would keep them all there. They don’t leave, because they have a sense of duty. However, I would make it so that even though this sense of needing to protect the next generation is within all the (living) characters, I wouldn’t take away from most of their flaws. They would still question if they do truly need to be the ones to defeat Pennywise. They would still grapple with thoughts of simply leaving, but rather than a curse keeping them there, they stay because they hear more stories about missing kids. They know what happened, and it steels their resolve. Not all of them have their nerves steeled to the same extent, but it does happen with all of them. So the sense of overwhelming dread and threat, would not be directed at our main characters, but at the town. If they fail, or give up, many, many innocent children are going to die.

[@keno4770]

This... is perfect.

[@Drax69420]

You know, I thought of a good addition to this idea. What if some of the adult versions of the characters had kids that were either threatened or killed by Pennywise? Something like that could really shake up the dynamic of the group, with some members wanting to leave while others want to kill Pennywise even more. Hell, this could be a way to kill off the "weakest" child by having his child be one of Pennywise's victims.

[@Laxhoop]

Timothy McCourry Well, then we would need to really stray from the source material. There’s no way in hell any of them would bring their kids anywhere near Pennywise, it’s established that Pennywise can’t exist outside of that town. So to do that, you would need to stray even further from the source material, and/or you would have to break the rules of Pennywise that have already been established.

[@Drax69420]

@@Laxhoop Yeah, now that I think about it, your right. My idea is just dumb.

[@Laxhoop]

Timothy McCourry No, don’t say that. I just didn’t make it clear that I was sticking as close to the source as possible, while tidying it up. I’m sure you could come up with something great, now that you understand that.

[@fabiobonetta5454]

The movie makes you genuinely scared of watching It a second time

[@theodorsteenberg8757]

Come one now i love the movie it gets Way to mutch jate

[@omahabibblemaddox2181]

That promotion, or ad placement, or whatever you want to call it for Squarespace was perfect. I really wish more creators would just do their own like that. I find quite a lot of channels putting them in inappropriate places that really breaks the flow the video and they're usually way too long. Also this is another high quality creation from Filmento, I Love It!

[@user-um7xs7ih8f]

IT Chapter 2: We failed at the box office. Charlie's Angel: *Wanna bet ?*

[@user-um7xs7ih8f]

@ I meant failed, sorry.

[@user-um7xs7ih8f]

@Jake Garcia Compared with its last installment, this chapter felt bland. The director featured the gay couple getting assaulted by some homophobe is a crucial fearure for the film yet one of the least impactful moments of the film is the first scene. This film is all about killing the clown which is actually boring to be honest. They used the same method as the first film. Each of the m getting scared, Bill gets upset, getting attacked by Bowers, all determined to kill the clown. Only this time Stanley and Eddie sadly passed on. They screwed up many things in the second film, at least there are still some memorable moments from the book that the film didn't screw up.

[@taurusdragon4763]

@ IT CHAPTER 2 failed to impress audience

[@kareem5303]

Duke Sonic it chapter two is in the top 10 most grossing films of all time

[@taurusdragon4763]

@@kareem5303 I'm pretty sure you want to say highest grossing *horror* movie, but it don't surpass IT (2017)

[@ramonabdiel10]

I think the reason why this movie didn’t feel scary enough is because it sacrificed horror for character growth we spend more time with the Losers and their past than with Pennywise scaring the Losers that being said i think they did a great job at attaching the audience to the Losers in this movie i legit cried at the end

[@Newbie-ki5lx]

Richie in the deadlights was a cool unexpected scene. Elevated the movie a little, wished more scenes like that.

[@wjzav1971]

The gay kid is attacked by a giant lumberjack figure and you can't see the connection???

[@AchiragChiragg]

I'm not getting the connection. Can you explain?

[@wjzav1971]

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[@burntbacn]

@@AchiragChiragg Richie has insecurities about not being "manly" because he's gay. He then gets attacked by a statue of Paul Bunyan, which is pretty much a symbol of masculinity.

[@MrCerebellum2]

@@burntbacn Where does it say that or is implied anywhere? The whole point of homosexuality is that you're surrounded by manliness. The Bunyan scene is simply fan service from the book. They didn't know what to do with Richie's arc so they just hammed it in un-contextually.

[@JazzieHERO]

MrCerebellum2 youre right. Stephen King wanted this scene in the film and so it was added in.

[@johnlouie5088]

I totally agree with you, I did not got scared at the whole movie at all, except for the balloon one. Because I was really puzzled on what happens next, and the tons of scary things that pop~up in my head. And that is what a scary scene should be.

[@myu2k2]

they did Mike's character a dirty, tbf Also, while "IT" the book focuses on child fears (lets be fair, the adult part of the book was never the draw and was mainly a bridge for the kid stuff)... IT's "unofficial sequel" "Insomnia" focuses on women and the elderly and their fears. That book also takes place in Derry and is a bridge connecting the King Horror-verse to his Darktower universe.

[@Kneel2ThaCrown]

This movie broke me. I couldn't even finish watching the last 30-40 mins. For being almost 3 hours the pacing was awful, the kid actors had more chemistry than the adults, the VFX were still bad, the characters weren't fleshed out nearly as much as they should've been so I had no emotional attachment towards them. Bill Skarsgard was the best of both movies when he wasn't a CG monster and was allowed to act. And to think I had high hopes for these remakes. This probably would've been better as an HBO Max series

[@user-ir8mf7km6w]

The casting was rushed. They obviously did not do chemistry tests.

[@providencebreaker1558]

Sadly, I expressed these concerns about the sequel before it even came out. I never read the book or watched the original, but it all felt so predictable. His defeat in part 1 felt so complete that there's no way he could be seen as a credible threat when he does nothing but double down on the tactics he was already using.

[@bassasababarebelbeans5657]

Felt like a horror comedy for sure. I still enjoyed it cos from the first movie I became invested in the characters.

[@beepboop9837]

There was so much in the book that they couldn’t put in the movie because it would’ve been too long, if they added those details from the book the movie would’ve made more sense.

[@bijibadness]

"like the first one, they each have an intense scare scene that relates to them personally, except _this_ time when the terrifying zombie man vomits on the character, _Angel of the Morning_ by Juice Newton *bafflingly* plays on the soundtrack!"

[@maujo2009]

In the wise words of Carmine Falcone in Batman Begins: "You will always fear what you don't understand". This movie was the negation of this statement.

[@Missangelblanco]

The part where the kid dies in the mirror room was scary

[@williamerickson520]

One of the sequences unique to the movie that I thought was very effective.

[@user-ju6zx3rm8d]

it's literally based on the novel, which had the adult characters also, revisiting the place

[@nemesis9410]

"you can try to force yourself to stay awake for as long as you can, but at some point you will fall asleep" Me, insomniac: hold my beer

[@GojiraRising]

Bigger Budget, Shiny yet less convincing visuals than the first film, and longer runtime doesn't always mean better.

[@Ecchi_Kun]

It's sad how most of horror movies fails to realize the things that makes them scary and just go with cheap jump scares and disgusting looking monsters/things And the main problem with IT is that if you've read the book then you would know why many things happen when they did, but if your movie requires you to read the source material beforehand then it's a bad adaptation

[@BIGwillTHEGAME]

1:27 I wonder why they didn’t use the same footage.

[@reddierights7279]

TheHanjoe300 i’m guessing it’d confuse people as to why richie bashes into bill as he walks by, since they’re all reunited together & civil. i’m not entirely sure

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

this was weird, I didn't notice it

[@pzaikis]

Could it be that the person having the "flashback" simply remembered it differently?

[@hntrl8880]

The thumbnail picture of It looks scarier than It itself 😂😂😂😂😂

[@whirlwindjourney]

Imagine if the movie had began showing each of their deaths and showing Beverly wake up from dreaming about them, like waking up from the dead lights. That would have given her "visions" more meaning and drawn the audience in more, making us wonder if they were going to all prove true and hoping that they wouldn't.

[@Geminilion100]

Also, when it comes to the Ben flashback, it was impossible for it to happen, because we were in the middle of summer vacation, how he got in the school is beyond me.

[@ninidude1756]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@megamovieman101]

Not to mention he was known for having good grades 😂

[@blakemorton4240]

Same goes for Ritchie's flashback. Surely at some point in the first movie he would have told the Losers "HOLY SHIT I WAS JUST CHASED BY THAT HUGE FUCKING PAUL BUNYAN STATUE IN THE PARK!!!" But nope, apparently Ritchie Big-Mouth Tozier, whose main defining trait is that he never shuts the fuck up about anything, never bothered to mention it.

[@Don_Master83]

They happened during the time frame in which the Losers were split up. So for Richie, it happened to him, but he wasn’t talking to Bill or anyone at the time to think about telling them. As for Ben, I guess it would be safe to assume he was in summer school, as that starts typically in July, and he could’ve failed one class. The only flashbacks that take place before the break up in Chapter 1 are the clubhouse ones, the photo booth, and them riding their bikes at the end of the film. Everything else was when they were split up.

[@williamerickson520]

@@blakemorton4240 That's because he's in denial about it. I think he even says he thought it was a dream in the movie.