Why JoJo Siwa's Downfall Was Inevitable

[@jennifermahaney1655]

about to play stardew valley so hard with this video

[@elegantswan]

omg same ...

[@bp_liab]

boutta play hot dog bush with this 💪🏾💪🏾 and a little spiderman

[@sugamother]

Literally doing the same thing rn, lmao

[@asveses5730]

Time to marry that drunk man like the little baby girl he is!

[@sacrosanctharlot6482]

About to play sims 4

[@jolynelovemail]

Jojo saying that she doesn't remember much from before she was 16 is very, very, very worrying to me. Blocking out memories of your childhood for that long, especially subconsciously, is not a good sign.

[@KelpieRider]

Exactly what I thought! I have really shit memory and a lot of gaps but even I have scattered memories before 10. If shes blocked out that much it definitely doesn't say anything good.

[@fad3d247]

Wait, is that normal? I have a great childhood growing up. Just my father who is absolutely amazing and nothing but kind. I have a hard time remembering any memories with him when I was younger. Although I know it was a good childhood. I thought it was normal to not be able to remember then. I don’t think that’s really a gotcha moment for JoJo either.

[@nolan-zs5mc]

@@fad3d247everyone is different and not remembering childhood isn’t inherently disordered but in jojos case not remembering being early to mid teens at 21yo is concerning especially with context. You can just have a poorer long term memory tho that’s ok your life isn’t less well lived because of it

[@amylizard]

Agree, and it's really worrying. I used to say my dad had never ever physically abused me, and I absolutely believed it. And at age 27 it suddenly hit me (pun intended) that him regularly and violently manhandling me, leaving bruises, was in fact... Physical abuse. I think Jojo might be in for several similar unpleasant realizations.

[@SweetforS]

Yeah like I can’t hardly remember middle school. And that’s because of all the trauma I went through during those years that until I was 18 I wasn’t willing to talk about and when I did I cried for an hour straight. For years I could even say the words “middle school” without bursting into tears

[@hafafatimasalam4230]

her hair being dyed since she was a toddler is in itself a metaphor for how she was treated like a doll than a child.

[@alepolait8951]

I know that was "mild" compared to everything else. But it speaks VOLUMES. Who knows what else "had to be fixed".

[@harrij9831]

It's not a metaphor, that's literally what it is

[@KittyScythe]

Jojo needs to read and REALLY take in Jeannette McCurdy’s book.

[@yeehaw1040]

yes yes yes. was DEVASTATED for Jeanette after reading her book, and i’m terrified we’re watching something very similar happen to jojo.

[@Eyeball44]

JoJo has been abused, groomed, and had her social, mental, and physical development completely fucked by Jessalyn, Abby Lee, and others around her her entire life, and now she’s perpetuating that cycle of abuse and deeply lacks self awareness. It’s just so sad all around

[@lulolie]

This

[@Roz390]

100% right

[@tarynwilson1223]

I just saw a clip on tik tok of jojo on a podcast saying that she will never ever go to therapy. But she 100% needs it

[@tarawells1553]

I am SO glad you put her mum first. Abbey was satan in a different body but her mum hustled her right in front of that abuse

[@starkid_rocks]

hurt people hurt people

[@Bewilderebeest]

The fact that her mom would wake up a toddler to make her perform for guests … very unhealthy parenting choice, prioritizing the child’s entertainment value over their rest and development.

[@katarinatibai8396]

Just name it for what it is. It's narcissism. Jo Jo's mom is a narc.

[@junebugsjukebox]

@@katarinatibai8396narcissism is an actual disorder, not just a throwaway descriptor. i dont think she’s a narcissist, she’s just desperate for money and attention

[@Aprlrain9987]

Yes. That made me sick.

[@iclynnx]

Exactly!! Toddlers need their sleep! Edit: My sister has toddlers, so I've seen their chaos when they didn't properly sleep through their nap. It is really important for them. I don't even plan on having children of my own, and I know not to wake up a toddler once they have fallen asleep (unless it's an emergency).

[@shannonmeadow9069]

It’s giving Beatrice horseman

[@keithturner5362]

I cannot believe this is how I learned that a student I had in college, dated Jojo fucking Siwa

[@current-hyperfixation]

This is crazy if it's true.

[@hannahb.375]

That’s so funny 😭

[@Prizzlesticks]

Damn. Six degree of separation, I guess.

[@parkchimmin7913]

Oh damn. How are you coping with this newly found information lol?

[@-MarbleHornetsFan-]

Welp, that must be a lot to process.

[@cwahlb1]

children being forced to haze another child on NATIONAL TELEVISION is so upsetting

[@katarinatibai8396]

100% toxicity

[@VeronicaProvenzano]

It is not only national television, it's international television which makes it 100x worse. I live in Canada and used to watch the show a lot.

[@QUEERVEEART]

it makes me so sad. tha was prolly traumatic

[@AW-EV-and-FTM]

@@VeronicaProvenzano aren’t you aware? Canada is the 51st state. Or it will be… when we invade it muahahaha

[@cheezbiscuit4140]

​@@AW-EV-and-FTM we'll celebrate the 4th of july in the streets of montreal, with mounties wearing stars and stripes and drinking american maple syrup

[@Sullivanandfamily]

Everything makes sense now. This child has basically NEVER gone to school. She has never experienced actual human beings.

[@CMarr722]

That’s what I was thinking. She’s never had friends to bounce ideas and identity changes off of. People to influence her in a good way or people to help her learn her way in the world from the same age perspective. It’s sad

[@leigh2649]

Yeah! I was definitely not getting autism from this child. Everything about her story makes it seem more likely that she literally was not raised to have social skills. Could you imagine one of the only interactions with a peer group at all being Dance Moms??? What effect would that have

[@ashxpaige]

@@leigh2649 Right? And she also wouldn't have learned how adults appropriately act with children. Her adult "role models" were her parents, Colleen Ballinger, and Abby Lee Miller💀 (who all have a history of exploiting children)

[@hyalina7098]

as someone who was homeschooled (badly) and isolated for most of my childhood: yes!! i have basically no idea how to interact with people outside of customer service lol

[@renryuugu7446]

​@@ashxpaigedon't forget Shane Dawson 😭

[@sadiem8154]

It's hard to see Jojo not realize how many adults failed her and I'm excited for her to finally see it, but it's gonna be so painful for her when it happens

[@sonofaspyder3000]

I can see a Jeanette McCurdy type book happening in the future

[@albedoweatheruno]

@@sonofaspyder3000 i hope jojo wakes up to it and that she finds a good support system that *arent* child predators. although we're not entitled to jojo's intimate personal life to the level of jenette mccurdy's book, i just hope she recovers and detaches herself from the toxic system that put her in this position

[@billieseyelashes]

@@albedoweatheruno 100%

[@billieseyelashes]

@@sonofaspyder3000 like the comment above says we're not entitled to her story. not every survivor is comfterable w publicly telling others about everything, others are. both should be equally accepted.

[@sonofaspyder3000]

@@billieseyelashes I wasn’t saying I wanted her to write one or that she had to, I was just saying I can imagine that happening

[@konzokomo8488]

I'm still shocked how connected it all is. Colleen Ballinger, Shane Dawson, James Charles. The whole league of villains rolled up for this one

[@luna10617]

the league of villains lmao

[@calamityradio]

Todrick Hall too tbh. He's been buddies with Colleen/Shane and co for YEARS, the fact he was the catalyst for Colleen meeting Jojo was sadly unsurprising.

[@osheridan]

Callin' all the monsters, callin' all the monsters Callin' all, callin' all, callin' all the monsters Oh yea aye, oh yea aye, oh yea aye Heart thumps and you jump Comin' down with goosebumps! You dare to go there I'ma, I'ma get you so scared! We're wantin' to (yeah) We're hauntin' you (yeah) We're wantin' to (yeah) Ehh ehh If you stayed in too late to be getting afraid This scene extreme I, I, I, I'ma get you so scared! We're wantin' to (yeah) We're hauntin' you (yeah) We're wantin' to (yeah) Ehh ehh Gonna get your body shakin' And wishin' you could just awaken Here we go Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! If you're only dreaming Why I hear you screaming? Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! We're comin' to get you! Callin' all the monsters, callin' all the monsters Callin' all, callin' all, callin' all the monsters You hide or you try Kiss tomorrow goodbye! We thrill to your chill B-B-B-Buckin' for a freak-out! We're wantin' to We're hauntin' you We're wantin' to Ehh ehh We might just bite underneath the moonlight More fun if you run! I-I-I-I'm I'm already chasin' We're wantin' to (yeah) We're hauntin' you (yeah) We're wantin' to (yeah) Ehh ehh Gonna get your body shakin' Wishin' you could just awakex Here we go Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! If you're only dreaming Why I hear you screaming? Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! We're comin' to get you! Callin' all the monsters, callin' all the monsters Callin' all, callin' all, callin' all the monsters! Gonna paint it red inside your head, head, head Like a demon choir playing with fire, fire, fire Gonna get your body shakin' Wishin' you could just awake Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! If you're only dreaming Why I hear you screaming? Tonight all the monsters gonna dance We're comin' to get you! We're comin' to get you! Oh yea aye, oh yea aye, oh yea aye We're comin' to get you!

[@friendlyneigborhoodbean]

To be fair. His participation seemed innocent enough. Although inviting the dance moms girls to a birthday party is still weird​@@calamityradio

[@mammoneymelon]

predators flock together i guess

[@MonolithicCyanTsunami]

Jojo being forced to wake up in the middle of the night to dance reminds me vaguely of that scene in Bojack Horseman where he tells his mother that he doesn’t want to sing the lollipop song, to which his mother replied, “Nobody gives a damn what you feel. You've got an audience out there and they want to hear you sing. Now, you want your mommy to love you? You go out there and you do the only thing youre good for, which is singing the goddamn Lollipop Song.”

[@ZijnShayatanica]

OOF, THIS EXACTLY.

[@bitescratchbeg]

this hurts… but its true. just like bojack, shes going through her path of destroying everyone with her. i hope so much she doesnt end exactly like bojack, though. thatd be too much

[@confu5ed_]

I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP 😭

[@geministrial950]

Jojo Siwa is gonna be live action Sara Lynn, it seems

[@bitescratchbeg]

@@geministrial950 i hope not

[@sfynxhead]

A 2 hour long video essay by a yputuber I've never watched before about a celebrity I don't really care about? Don't mind if I do

[@Attachment.not.available]

Same except I'm a hermit cause I had no clue who Jo Jo was either...

[@ewwitscullen9132]

@@Attachment.not.availablehelp this must have been WILD for you 😭 I knew about most of this

[@victoriachapman5679]

yep 😂 me too

[@gillpoynter2873]

Same I had no clue who JoJo was or dance moms lol

[@Roseasuko]

Sammmme I just randomly found this youtuber while zoning out (basically on as background) and I didn't immediately change it to a more familiar video essay channel. Now I'm over an hour and a half into the video

[@WatsonAndDaughter]

I feel so bad for JoJo. Who the fuck let her mom get away with these things

[@yuzu-tsuyu]

Yeah, I *really* need people to redirect their disgust/insults/mockery to her mother. It's depressing seeing this child (at least in terms of emotional intelligence) be ripped to shreds when the main thing she is guilty of is exploitation. When a human is deprived of their entire sense of self from such a young age, you can't exactly expect them to suddenly demonstrate self-awareness just because they're legally an adult.

[@veri_disko]

She doesn’t even know the abuse around her by adults isn't normal. I feel so bad for her.

[@nauuuurrrrr]

Honestly this shouldn't be legal or not considered abuse just because it was on tv and made both her and jojo famous. The tactics she and Abby Lee Miller used are very much known abuse and manipulation strategies and considering everything she went through it's really not a surprise everything that's happening to her now

[@olivergarden9106]

​@@yuzu-tsuyuExactly. She does have faults but I can't help but just think of how misguided she is and damaged.

[@olivergarden9106]

​@@nauuuurrrrrThe abuse from Abby becomes so apparent when you see her excusing her actions. It's gross but very understandable due to her situation

[@Haley-uj8gy]

The clip of baby jojo saying “I’m a natural brown” breaks my heart she was so little :(

[@katarinatibai8396]

The worst part follows: I HAVE to dye my hair, so it looks blond...

[@luna10617]

every child deserves a mom better than Jojo's

[@vickiannmalenga]

Ok the fact that the most replayed part of a 2 year Olds lil dance video is when her legs were wide open is terrifying and sickening!

[@Uneclipsed]

So, I am not a fan of Jojo Siwa, but I do just want to throw out a reminder that it can take people years--sometimes decades--to come to terms with the fact they were victims of abuse and/or grooming. And Jojo has to live out this stuff in front of an audience. So while I don't support her and the things she says and does, just keep that in mind when you listen to her talk about the Ballingers, James Charles, and Abby Lee Miller. She's not really in a place where she can condemn these people because 1) they furthered her career and 2) it would mean having to examine her own experiences with them which she perceived as positive. She's in the wrong and in denial, but she's also likely not ready to confront the reality of her upbringing.

[@unstableratdog4179]

She also has no one healthy to compare them to. She has no one to show her what a healthy relationship should be. She has no one close to her to tell her that she is being mistreated.

[@soaringspirits2267]

Oh fr bro. Deciding your experiences are bad, and not as good as you thought. Is just. So sad. So soul crushing. And. Well. I hope life treats her well and she figures it out.

[@andrewkoster6506]

To be fair, "saying the quiet part loud" is the main trait of the "Miranda Sings" character. To be even more fair, the "Miranda Sings" character is just Colleen doing a funny voice.

[@RainbyFIN]

Colleen: 👄 Here's my silly funny little comedy character that completely coincidentally happens to give me an excuse to act inappropriate with minors because it's FuNnNnNnNnYyYyYyYyYyYyYyYy 👄

[@user-ayiy824jbd]

Which is also the only character she knows how to do. In acting school, her criticism was she did that “one same voice and attitude for every character” (especially with singing. Listen to her waitress vocals, it’s literally just miranda), and that character became known to us unfortunately as miranda sings.

[@mrdavman13]

James Charles was such a creep. I live two hours from La, and for the few months I had a tinder, he would pop up on my tinder. James had his gender set to “woman” so he would pretty much only be shown to men, straight men usually, probably a few closeted men. He actually liked my profile (only found out when I bought a month of the subscription that let you see your “admirers” or whatever they called them) and I found it so strange how someone living 100 miles away and supposedly so famous was popping up all the time in straight mens tinders.

[@angelalovell5669]

Shit, dude. I never doubted this was the case, based on how he talks about his own behaviour and what other straight men have reported from their interactions with him, but it is straight up bananas to just come across someone he was trawling for in the comments section of a Jojo S essay. As a queer person, I apologise for his behaviour. It's not much to do with us as a community but you usually feel the need to apologise for one of your number who is being AWFUL.

[@roxassora2706]

​@@angelalovell5669As a bi woman adult content consumer, I watch solo gay fetish content, because the straight content turns me off (not in a fetishizing way, but I prefer men.) I find "baited straight guy" to be very creepy and off-putting. It's mainly due to the James Charles's in our community, and my feminist views, that rubs me out of it.

[@mrdavman13]

@@angelalovell5669 respect but you don’t ever have to apologize for someone just cause they’re in the same circles / community / sexual orientation. James is an individual and what he did he chose to do. While it creeped me out I wasn’t as affected as some others who were taken advantage by him. And I was an adult and could rationalize it wasn’t right I appreciate you looking out for others regardless and fighting the good righteous fight

[@AshKetchum442]

thank you for mentioning that grooming exists outside of sexually. i was being groomed for emotional abuse by an adult male coworker when he was 45 and I was 20.

[@twiggledowntown3564]

This. This is important.

[@AnnamarieForcino]

I’m so sorry, that sounds terrifying. I hope you’re in a safer work environment 🫶🏻

[@AshKetchum442]

@@AnnamarieForcinoYes thank you! Ironically it was in watching Onision drama videos that I learned about grooming and narcissistic abuse that i was able to stand up for myself.

[@emilyjohn2034]

I’m glad you were able to realize what was happening! A big I also see is people think grooming can only happen to minors when grooming ONLY requires one person to be experienced and the other to be naive. Between 18-late 20s are some of the most likely times for people to be groomed. Old enough that their parents don’t have control but young enough that they don’t know how the world works yet

[@smolsnoodle]

This is so important because no one knows it can happen in this way too ❤

[@theunkindnessofravens]

I definitely agree that Jojo tries not to examine her relationships with predators, because once she does, she *will* face an enormous existential crisis. She has a long road to deconstruct the way she was raised and I hope she takes her first steps soon.

[@Thatgenderconfused3mo]

She definitely knows deep down inside that’s what’s been going on but she’s too scared to face the truth. She’d rather be in the dark

[@magicivy]

Jojo reminds me of Clara Bow. Clara Bow was so in denial about her abusive upbringing (physical, incestuous, and sexual) that after years of working with a therapist she had a breakdown and reopened contact with her father and moved back in with him. She became a reclusive, suicidal addict. But all the magazines talked about how pretty, talented, and sexy she was, and criticized her for being too mentally, emotionally, and physically unwell to keep working and entertaining the masses. It's such a common fame cycle, and I worry the same or something similar will become of Jojo...and many other current/former child stars!

[@noexcuses5524]

I dont think so because her mother program her that way since what she's 3 yrs old? Till she is adult. I felt like her problem that she does not have opinion on her own. I bet her guardian still mkes the decision for her. Hence why she got the tattoo, she was influence by someone

[@liliebilie]

She’s been dyeing the child’s hair since she was 2?!!!?

[@eileensnow6153]

*Bleaching* it, which is even worse.

[@Tomboy_Rep]

the other day when I went into a lush, someone told me I looked like Jojo… I was petrified until he said it was a DIFFERENT SINGER FROM THE 2000’S THEN HIS CO WORKERS SHOWED HIM THE *HORROR* OF JOJO SIWA

[@frogs-are-gayy]

someone saying you look like Jojo from the 2000's is a huge compliment she is beautiful!

[@beanieNX420]

The other JoJo is really great, she should have been much bigger in the 00's

[@Tomboy_Rep]

@@beanieNX420 I’ve never actually heard of her, but after they told me that I’ve been getting more into her music! :D

[@autumnbrooke1721]

What a relief ! The Jojo that you look like is adorable . What a scary moment 😅

[@frankieee1204]

The one and only Jojo is Jojo from the early 2000’s!!! If you say otherwise, “Get out! Right now!”

[@oliviaharris408]

Listen I never thought I’d laugh at Colleen Ballinger but “what am I to you?” “A business opportunity” made me actually laugh out loud

[@Thatgenderconfused3mo]

I was GOBSMACKED😭😭 howling😭

[@atlaspagura8838]

And the OH. Fatal

[@heywoodjablome5380]

Her adventure was bizarre

[@Imabananatree]

IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE‼️‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🔊🔊⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️

[@Thyme-lk7ut]

AYAYAYAYAAAAAA🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@cheeryrozetea]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@graces9158]

Honestly I feel bad that Jojo has to go on this self discovery period while everyone online is watching her. It’s like an awkward teen phase and she had to “stay young” for years and finally as an adult she can discover herself

[@joekuvorkian]

Yes. This video opened my eyes and now I'm less likely to make fun of Jojo

[@overgrownkudzu]

yeah, it's bad that she's perpetuating the abuse, but it sucks that this was basically inevitable. i'll be interested what she has to say in 10, 15 years when she's grown.

[@sonofaspyder3000]

Thank god someone finally said it

[@icu3869]

She’s still doing what she’s told, though. Her Mom and her team are orchestrating everything. This is not her authentic self coming out. It’s a publicity stunt.

[@smalf00]

reminds me of marry kate and ashley olsen, they had a similar upbringing, although once they got the chance they left the public eye and good for them, meanwhile JoJo is choosing to stay

[@tweekforever]

Can’t wait for when she’s 30 and realizes how weird her upbringing was and how weird all those adults were to her. Those interviews gonna be craaaazy

[@hydrogen3266]

She’ll probably try to make a docuseries about it where she tries to backpedal all the abuse she defended

[@shiku45]

It's a cannon event. It cannot be stopped.

[@_ConfusedCricket_]

The future drama channels are gonna have a field day, i can already see it.

[@goopbuni]

except she probably won’t. because instead she will just become a woman like colleen, thinking it’s ok to talk to minors as a 30 year old

[@EverGardens]

I keep wondering, *will* she ever realise?

[@JohnJacobJingleheimerSchmidt7]

“I don’t like the sound of the word le$bi@n*” Man, I do feel for her on that. That’s exactly what I used to say in my early 20s after growing up in a tiny hyperconservative Deep South town. It’s a polite way to say “that word has been yelled at my face as an insult or a fetish for so long that it’s still ‘ugly’ and traumatizing to me, but I don’t want to make others feel bad for using it bc this is my problem to get past” She’ll get there. Let we forget: even after coming out, actual self-acceptance is still a (sometimes difficult) journey. Most ppl just don’t have to do it on a national platform 🤷‍♀️ (*Censor only so the KZbin gods don’t softblock the comment 🙄)

[@Nassifeh]

KZbin doesn't block comments for that kind of language unless the creator has blocked it as a term, just FYI! Tiktok is horrifyingly anti-gay about that kind of thing, but KZbin's got much less structural bigotry in its content moderation.

[@JohnJacobJingleheimerSchmidt7]

@@Nassifeh i didn’t realize!! Thank you so much - I’ve been censoring myself unnecessarily

[@forklesticklespoons7887]

i don't think she came back like a boomerang...

[@SillySlvtz]

💀💀

[@salmamichelle09]

no, no, she did. that’s the problem.

[@SillySlvtz]

@@salmamichelle09 couldn’t have said it better myself

[@TheRealCommanderWolffe]

And Karma is legit foreshadowing herself

[@FlamingLoaf]

nah she got hit with the boomerang

[@timenotime]

My opinion is that she has been groomed from a very young age. It's sad. Sure, now she's an adult she has to be responsible for her own decisions, but so much of how she acts and who she is comes from the way she was pushed into fame

[@emilyjohn2034]

It’s one of those sad cases of “abused people abuse” she was absolutely abused and mistreated and sadly she is repeating those same things herself

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

Yeah, and honestly this was always pretty obvious. I feel like this video actually kinda dropped the ball on that, especially when it came to how she was homeschooled and CLEARLY developmentally stunted on a social level due to all of her peers being adults or very young children. The criticism about how she acted like a young child as a late teen did low-key have some points, _people were just more interested in slut-shaming young girls/women who wouldn't let them infantilize them._ *Yes, sexualization is a problem ESPECIALLY for minors...but so is infantilization.* And frankly they can go hand-in-hand as this creator proved with those most replayed clips, p*dos are kinda f*cked like that. She was groomed to be that "career forever child role-model celeb" . People championing that at the expense of other abuse girls is f*cked. And honestly I don't see how people didn't see this downward spiral coming given how she's essentially gone from a forever 7 year old to an adult. This was never going to end well, her identity was groomed and commodified to be a children's brand. If she couldn't condone "hoe-hoe siwa" and that was on the adults around her, then she also couldn't condone being a forever toddler for the sake of being a "positive role-model" and that was ALSO on the adults around her. You don't turn into a fully developed adult at the stroke of midnight on your 18th (or 21st) birthday like some Cinderella story. Her identity seems lacking in nuance and development because her personal development was devoid of nuance. *_Like...was she ever even a teenager?_* *Or was she just a child until she was an adult??* I feel bad for her on those notes tbh, I don't hate her for any of that. This was never going to go well and could have been avoided entirely.

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

Yeah, and honestly this was always pretty obvious. I feel like this video actually kinda dropped the ball on that, especially when it came to how she was homeschooled and CLEARLY developmentally stunted on a social level due to all of her peers being adults or very young children. The criticism about how she acted like a young child as a late teen did low-key have some points, _people were just more interested in slut-shaming young girls/women who wouldn't let them infantilize them._ *Yes, sexualization is a problem ESPECIALLY for minors...but so is infantilization.* And frankly they can go hand-in-hand as this creator proved with those most replayed clips, p*dos are kinda f*cked like that. She was groomed to be that "career forever child role-model celeb" . People championing that at the expense of other abuse girls is f*cked. And honestly I don't see how people didn't see this downward spiral coming given how she's essentially gone from a forever 7 year old to an adult. This was never going to end well, her identity was groomed and commodified to be a children's brand. If she couldn't condone "hoe-hoe siwa" and that was on the adults around her, then she also couldn't condone being a forever toddler for the sake of being a "positive role-model" and that was ALSO on the adults around her. You don't turn into a fully developed adult at the stroke of midnight on your 18th (or 21st) birthday like some Cinderella story. Her identity seems lacking in nuance and development because her personal development was devoid of nuance. *_Like...was she ever even a teenager?_* *Or was she just a child until she was an adult??* I feel bad for her on those notes tbh, I don't hate her for any of that. This was never going to go well and could have been avoided entirely.

[@Stardustuk]

Exactly, she's been groomed and abused and it's every adult in her life's fault But she's an adult now and she has to realise she's been groomed and abused and that's why she's thirsty for attention while literally living in a bubble, she really needs therapy

[@coolsenjoyer]

@@Stardustuk I think she needs some very specialized kind of therapy. Nothing that would help an average 21 year old can possibly be of any use to someone who has been basically raised as a product rather than a human being

[@hedgers2005]

Just because abuse got you to a place where you're rich and famous doesn't make it not abuse. It also doesn't make it okay to perpetuate those behaviors on those who look up to you.

[@epicshauntedlibrary1414]

Jojo Siwa? The inventor of gay pop, during pride month. Amazing.

[@rosecity_chris]

The first lesbian the ever exist!

[@nyxie2877]

@@rosecity_chrisTruly our lesbian lord and saviour

[@MadiganinPeach]

Not just that, she is literally the first influencer to ever make music. No one has tried something as revolutionary as that. If Disney channel had done that with their stars they might not have been such a flop.

[@laurenwalker1048]

And the baddest baddie you’ve ever seen

[@tutu8896]

​@@MadiganinPeachdon't forget that she was also the first child star who has had this big of a change in personality/genre

[@mattieyoncha6243]

Maybe it's because I've done a good job avoiding it, but I haven't seen enough people talk about Rachel Ballinger's inappropriate role in all of this. If you have to make a joke that you won't hug a friend until they're 18...maybe don't be their friend...

[@yuzu-tsuyu]

Personally I've seen it come up a lot (mostly because there's so much video evidence of it) but what's extra disturbing about that period (she was 13~16?), are the clips of grown adults who did first-time collabs with her saying "her mom just dropped her off here for this interview/shoot/sketch and then left." I'm glad nothing worse happened to her, but man she was constantly put in really dangerous situations...

[@catsecon1653]

Same here! I feel like Colleen (rightfully so, ofc) has gotten a lot of attention, but I haven't seen much about Rachel. That comment she made bothered me, too! Jojo needs to get some better friends...

[@Dave102693]

@@yuzu-tsuyuagreed

[@Dave102693]

@@catsecon1653the Ballingers are weird af

[@sunnyjoslynn851]

Yes! Also when they were talking about being a top/bottom/switch! They are not peers, that is sooo weird and inappropriate

[@adrianvalentine9054]

I'm with the mom, I really appreciate how much Jojo kept kids kids for a little longer. so much media makes kids try to act so grown and her willingness to embrace such a child like persona was refreshing to see. it's nice seeing the kind of clothing I grew up wearing in stores again, instead of mini versions of adult clothing. kids deserve rainbow clothing not sad beige cooperate clothes to match thier parents "aesthetics"

[@inistiogeismyheart9185]

I agree

[@yoitschlo3283]

But on the other hand she’s also teaching her viewers - that creepy relationships with adults are normal - you should sit down and accept lifelong abuse - you can abuse others as long as you’re getting paid - and now she’s showing her younger fans her strange, ‘drunken’, stage antics I fully understand where the original mom is coming from, I just don’t think that Jojo is quite the right role model due to the fact that she hasn’t really had any professional and responsible adults in her life

[@niylane]

True but putting down another child was definitely weird

[@VioletFeline886]

I agree with her as well, but she’s upset with people for bullying a 15 year old…while bullying a 15 year old in the same post?

[@lostshadows768]

I guess if you like sparkly outfits, but want something darker and edgier, it makes sense you'd end up with Kiss cosplay.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Yes, but it's such a cringe look. Like seriously: I understand that JoJo couldn't have previously known about KISS as she is both way too young and way too sheltered. But how come her parents didn't know or care to tell her about KISS? They should have stepped up and told her to draw something different on her face.

[@katarinatibai8396]

​Because her mom is a narcissist. Most narcissists are not known for huge creativity. They are more of an copycat. That was 100% her mom's idea. Her mom didn't bother to tell her because narcissists teach their children just to obey and please them. They don't care if you burn alive as long as they get their narcissistic supply.

[@godscomplex13]

@@katarinatibai8396how about you don’t slap personality disorder language to underline how awful a shit person is? But it’s fine when it’s a demonised disorder I guess. Can’t call ppl Autustic or schizophrenic as an insult now so guess we gotta look for something in the same vein because acceptance only goes for ‚quirky’ or ‚sad’ disorders, so the ‚scary dehumanising’ ones are free estate Your good point (at least to me) is largely overshadowed by the language you use. And please, if your response is *anything* like ‚my ex/mom/dad was a narcissist so I know they’re all evil’ just… don’t bother. Try to swap that with any other personality disorder and think if that would be okay to say

[@plushdragonteddy]

@@07Flash11MRC oh, i would not say she couldn't have known. she's only three years younger than me, and i knew who KISS was even tho they're way before my time. they had a friggin scooby doo crossover movie! i'm not saying she definitely did know, but you can't say for sure that she didn't

[@Crushinski]

​@07Flash11MRC I actually think not knowing who KISS are is surprising. Jojo is about 5 years older than me and I know about KISS, but maybe her parents never played them.

[@grahamcrack]

i don’t care the clip of jojo going ”i’m not a natural blonde i’m actually a natural bwown, i get bwown woots” cracks me up every single time

[@sleepyspacegremlin]

It's adorable 😂

[@avatorres5371]

Bwown woots!

[@claudiau2620]

It’s so cute but the context for it is lowkey so disturbing

[@bgbrnbd]

Me too! I think it’s the way that when she says bown wouts it just comes out of nowhere compared to the rest of the sentence. God bless her

[@megan-mr9vk]

it’s haunting

[@jurgnobs1308]

"I would literally wake her up at night and she would do her dance" what?

[@xrinnychyan]

i never watched miranda sings but as an autistic person when annamarie said that practically the whole point of miranda sings was to make fun of autistic people it hit me like a brick holy shit??

[@WishGender]

It made me realize it’s gotta be the reason I was a casual Miranda sings fan for a few years

[@luna10617]

@@WishGenderfrr😭 my friend and i used to cosplay as her at sleepoverss💀 (i was 10)

[@ghoulchan7525]

for a sec i thought that was the lady who would throw songs into google translate a bunch of time and then sing the outcome. good to know that's someone else.

[@unusedaccount9207]

I realized this recently, because so many things I got made fun of for are things that the character is built on. It sucked enough for me the first time, but then for her to make all those traits I already didn't like into an even less likable character, it crushed little me, and I didn't even know why

[@WishGender]

@@luna10617 yeah, but you were ten. I was in high school doing a Miranda impression and learning the "do the Miranda" dance 💀💀💀

[@acisme6442]

Idk how no one's said it but HOW are we supposed to take her Rebellious Bad Girl phase seriously when she still has the SAME HAIR COLOR her mother has been FORCING ON HER since she was 2 ? Like, if anything, going natural for once would be a direct and genuinely profound way of breaking away from all the BS that was pushed on her as a kid, but like, that would require her to apply even a modicum of critical thought towards her upbringing and she strikes me as someone DEEP in denial sooo

[@semogecarg]

that would require it to be a genuine rebellion and not a stunt executed by the same woman forcing her to be blonde in the first place

[@marlyd]

Darker hair and not pulling back her hair anymore will drastically show her traction alopecia 😕

[@fr0nk571]

she needs to lose the ponytail too bro its so bad 💀💀💀

[@murph64]

@@fr0nk571didn’t she cut her hair super short?

[@DeaDiabola]

I started dying my hair in 7th grade as a direct response to my mom trying to prevent me from exploring my identity through clothes, music, etc. I thought the same thing.

[@gachacringex3]

I think it's neat that right after her first big controversy, she did something HUGE like coming out so people forgot, and then with the second one, she had her bad girl era. I'm not saaaying it's a marketing thing to blow away controversy but i am

[@gachacringex3]

I'm not saying that's her fault ! Im sure she has a large marketing team

[@alicat95]

I’m turning 30 this year and I cannot imagine being friends with a 15 year old

[@baguettegott3409]

Why not? It's actually a pretty good thing to form communities and friendships across generations. Humans have always done it, there's nothing actually weird about it. Yeah groomers exist, obviously you at 30 can't imagine having any kind of _intimate_ relationship with a 15 year old, and you shouldn't, so congrats. But it can be really cool to have some hobbies where you become friends with significatly older/younger people as well. I danced Lindy Hop with a bunch of ladies in their 60s and 70s for a while, that was fun. And my Dungeons and Dragons group spans from 16 to 39 in ages. Just the friendship existing with an age gap is not a problem or a red flag. (Doesn't mean it can't be unhealthy or abusive or whatever, but it isn't by default.)

[@maam8104]

It depends what you put into the term friend and friendship. That can vary a lot between people and cultures.

[@maam8104]

For example, I do think that you should be able to seek comfort from a friend when you go through something hard, like a divorce, but it is unfair to put that on a teenager that is busy figuring themselves out. I, personally, find that I include that kind of support and emotional exchange as vital in my friendship which is why I, as someone that turns 30 soon, can not imagine being friends with a 15 year old.

[@angelbreadlane]

i’m turning 21 this month and can’t imagine being friends with a 15 year old

[@VRiderB]

I'm 25 and had a coworker who's 17 and I straight up asked 'are the youths okay' 😂 We laughed but it gave perspective that making friends older and younger only by a few years can feel like a canyon. Made friends with a 70 year old lady too and it was fun to see that same sentiment applied to me. Life lesson of making friends is tough regardless of age indeed.

[@Lola24691]

Someone said that jojo is what a kid thinks an adult is being like and I can’t even it’s so accurate

[@shiorisakurag]

I had a friend in high school who had been homeschooled her entire life except for 10, 11, and 12th grade and she always seemed like she was a teen acting like what a kid thinks a teen in a Disney channel highschool would be like lol

[@gymnasticsgirlie0647]

@@shiorisakurag While I'm not denying your friend's lived reality, I hope you are not insinuating that homeschooled kids are inherently unsocialized. The reality is that mainstream school actively discourages socialization (ever heard "hands on your lips, fingers on your hips"?) and creates a very unnatural social environment (e.g sectioning kids off into hyperspecific age groups). Furthermore, many schools actively promote bully behavior and do not protect victims. There is definitely a way to do homeschooling wrong, but for many it actually improves socialization opportunities because kids are allowed to manage their own time and have more physical hours of the day to spend interacting with others. Don't knock homeschooling because of your friend's experience.

[@UnicornsPoopRainbows]

​@@gymnasticsgirlie0647 Ive never heard of hands on your liops, finger on your lips. What is that even supposed to mean?! Homeschooling, when done well, is great for kids. Same with public education. I've seen the products of good and bad versions of both. I've mainly seen what happens when kids have very religious homeschooling experiences and it is NOT good. There were a few kids I met in college that were homeschooled that were so smart, self-motivated, and super friendly. Unfortunately, there seem to be a lot more of ther former than the latter

[@gymnasticsgirlie0647]

@@UnicornsPoopRainbows Oops, I accidentally switched it around. It is "finger on your lip, hand on your hip". It basically is a stance that kids are supposed to take where they put a finger on their lip as if to say "shhh" and the other hand on their hip. It is a quick and easy way to get kids to quiet down, or in other words, stop socializing with each other.

[@lethfuil]

​@@gymnasticsgirlie0647 As someone already said, regular schools AND homeschooling can be great, IF done right. But homeschooling has just way more ways to do it terribly wrong. Dumb teachers and crappy bullies can do quite the damage, though most make it even through that rather fine and even more don't really experience that a lot at all. Now, with homeschooling, the amount of kids that just get taught religious nonsense is already alarming and then there's also a lot that face simply just abuse, a lot of it sexual too, neglect, exploitation, radicalisation, control, control, control. Objectively homeschooling is much more dangerous to kids than a regular school. From "just" a complete lack in education to terrible harm. That doesn't make regular schools perfect by any means! It just still makes it the much better option for most. That's also why a lot of developed countries make it very, very, hard, or straight up impossible, to homeschool kids. You either can't, or you have to get licences and regular controls. I think the way to go would be an easy access to distant learning, aka zoom classes with just a few in person days a month. That way the child isn't easily subjected to bullying, but still also isn't alone in the hands of possibly insane parents.

[@littlegoblinforever]

“The internet waited with baited breath to see what JoJo had in store…” *ad for Assassin’s Creed Shadows immediately plays*

[@Greenchantment]

2 hours of Annamarie Forcino!? Sinmas came early

[@Indy_Anapolis]

*sinmas!

[@laceylou9423]

Sinmas in June!

[@Greenchantment]

I edited it to sinmas :)

[@Dayshine_WUCE]

It’s truly amazing

[@Indy_Anapolis]

@@Greenchantmentheck yeaaa🔥

[@9Hyper_Fixations]

Jojo Siwa reminds me of a child who just agrees and changes everything they say to be liked by the people watching them. A "yes-men" if you will. It feels like her, or rather her moms, idea of being "rebellious" is by turning down the saturation on all her outfits. Edit: OMG 1k, I didn't expect that, tysm!

[@AshKetchum442]

to be an arm chair psychologist- its probably a coping/survival mechanism based on her mother and toxic surrounding environment

[@9Hyper_Fixations]

I believe it is, I feel like JoJo represents what can happen to child stars who are in the industry for so long. However while she may have trauma, I'm not here to diagnose, it does not excuse her horrific "alleged" allegations. She is a victim, but as an adult she needs to take a step back and reevaluate herself and her experiences. Make no mistake I'm not trying to dis her or send her hate, but she needs to get her ass in therapy and stop continuing the cycle of child star abuse and exploitation.

[@michellerhodes5477]

I feel like JoJo doesn't know who JoJo is. She doesn't have an identity outside of her career. Having all yes men and her mother surrounding her isn't helping that either. No one is there to tell her to stop or tone it down or keep xyz private. So she's trying to figure herself out in the most public way possible. I know I would've been acting a fool if my life was public as I was figuring myself out. I think she's cringe but I feel bad for her too. Most of it isn't her fault and what is her fault isn't surprising since it doesn't seem like there's a single adult giving her good advice.

[@muphyna]

Well, if she was indeed such a people-pleaser I dont think she would publicly defend colleen balinger or openly hang out with james charles and other problematic influencers and not care about how that can affect her image. I think she just doesn’t care about public opinion if she doesn’t agree with it. She clearly likes to perform and has been prepared for that basicallysince she came out of the womb(which was not her choice but her parents) so she clearly thinks what she is doing now is awesome. Its great to be that confident but it can also blind you to some things. Hope she has some people on her corner that can help her separate constructive criticism from just “hate”

[@twiggledowntown3564]

Also to add onto to it. She's a product of her environment, like a lot of middled aged adults who think they've never abused their kids.​@AshKetchum442

[@Belette6763]

Hearing about her childhood made me think a lot about Jennette McCurdy's "I'm glad my mom died" - the mom getting her to do all these things, everything she did being scrutinized, etc. It really makes my heart aches that she's making all those mistakes while the public is waching her, ready to criticize her. The overuse of social media isn't helping either.

[@jinn8339]

Chappell Roan is everything Jojo wishes she was

[@SillySlvtz]

REAL!! I love Chappell sm. Jojo could never.

[@NehKoleIsTotallyReal]

Chappell Roan is everything we all wish we were and has been healing all of us by simply existing

[@ijahmoore5508]

both are mediocre white gays?

[@Casual_Goof]

I just found Chappell Roan’s music (I live under a rock), and I’m OBSESSED

[@SillySlvtz]

@@Casual_Goof SHES AMAZING

[@pissyinpunk09]

I am not over the fact that HER MOTHER would wake up her TODDLER in the middle of the night to dance for people? People that ASKED SPECIFICALLY to see her dance?

[@chenwingsee]

Literally I was like hold the phone we glossed over that too quickly. That is negligent and fucked up at best and........ Suspicious and criminal at worst tbh.

[@kylawatts4427]

Right and like who are these grown ass adults asking for it in the dorst place 😭

[@bobbyhill9918]

Makes you wonder what kind of dances they had her doing in the first place

[@joekuvorkian]

​@@kylawatts4427I feel like they may not have asked and her mom just wanted to show her off

[@kirielbranson4843]

I used to babysit for a kid who had a photographic memory and his dad used to bring fellow police officers over and have this kid rattle off capital cities or some such nonsense. You could tell the kid didn't like it and the adults didn't give a crap and didn't ask to see his miracle kid do tricks. It was so weird.

[@missaniebananie6473]

“You think she has ever taken like a perk 30 and just cussed someone out?” I screamed

[@spamasparagus]

Ok the bleaching her hair starting at 1/2 makes her bald patch on the side of her head make more sense. Bc i grew up in ballet and i never saw traction alopecia take a big chunk like that before 😭😭

[@spamasparagus]

I do get the effect bleaching at a young age has on kids tho. My mom made me start getting highlights in 6th grade, at the time i thought it was cool but looking back at her telling me “you need highlights you look better blonde” did impact me, not detrimentally, but i had to dye my hair brown once (long story) and i did have a full mental breakdown. So. There’s that.

[@bbean.loosey]

in the dance moms reunion she also said she would pick at and rip out her hair on that side because of stress

[@spamasparagus]

@@bbean.loosey i didn’t know that! But that makes a LOT of sense.

[@minako10]

I kinda feel bad for Jojo's brother. It couldn't have been easy growing up witnessing all the attention his parents have devoted to his sister. I really hope he hasn't been too neglected.

[@Maglors_grief]

I literally had no idea she even had a brother 😭

[@Dave102693]

@@Maglors_griefme either 😢

[@snipexx7297]

@@Maglors_grief I feel like this further proves this point, unfortunately. With all the time and devotion put into Jojo's career, their son's presence has been buried until it got to a point that a lot of people don't even realize he ever existed. 💔

[@lulolie]

The fact that I and many others had no idea he even existed until this comment/video, is testament enough to this

[@reallifezuzu]

she has a BROTHER??

[@loserjayy]

"uhaul lost two potential customers" CRYING💀

[@Sofia-bw1hh]

AN 2 HOUR DEEP DIVE???!! watch me cuddled up on my couch with snacks and a good tea hehe

[@AnnamarieForcino]

Yay! Don’t forget your JoJo Juice!!

[@spongecakes1986]

​@@AnnamarieForcinoOkay but why did me reading "Jojo juice" in this comment match up EXACTLY with you saying "Jojo juice" in the intro?

[@scrollquill]

In my opinion, saying a stranger *has* to be autistic based on limited traits and characteristics not only is a breach of privacy, but reinforces autistic stereotypes. Feels like saying all autistic people must act the same way.

[@hydrogen3266]

It’s also unethical imo. If you’re not an expert, you shouldn’t be pretending like you know what you’re talking about. And if you were an expert, you’d know that you need to fully analyze someone before you can label someone with a clinical term. Non-experts saying confidently that someone has autism perpetuates the idea that neurotypical people are allowed to other and outgroup people based on stuff they aren’t actually educated on. And it enforces the idea that everyone who is “weird” is autistic. It angers me

[@scrollquill]

@@hydrogen3266 yes, I agree

[@helyns1416]

Also, the very basic and public details of JoJo's life all point to the fact that she is likely a very traumatized person. But outside of that we really don't have enough information to know her inner experience.

[@gezeitenkind9319]

About autism stuff. People who are traumatized on a really early age on can also show symptoms which are similar to autism. I learned this by getting my own diagnosis. While it is also possible that someone has both, cptsd and autism, someone who is not specialized in this stuff, can't tell it apart. Even for specialist it is hard to say. Jojos childhood can absolutely be traumatic to people. And as you said, it doesn't matter why someone acts bad, they have to take responsibility. No illness is a "You are free to do what you want." if you are able to reflect your actions

[@littlelavilion9795]

The “dont come for her because she might be autistic” is INSAne Not holding autistic people accountable for their actions is just as ableist as making fun of them for things they can’t control. Saying this as an autistic adult

[@Nassifeh]

I think the point of this is that it shouldn't be "she's WEIRD, why is she so WEIRD and CRINGE", which is happening a lot even in these comments. The problem with her is not being cringe! The problem is being abusive! She could be as cringe as she wanted and I would happily support her if she wasn't abusive! Those two things seem to get conflated really fast.

[@averyintelligence]

Black lives matter started because of police brutality against blsck people. It has nothing to do with white people and their rights. I dont think u understand that ​@@pinklight2754

[@Cheshieruu]

@@pinklight2754 bait used to be believable

[@pinklight2754]

@@krystalmonét I’m not deleting my comment. Black Lives Matter has proven to be a racist movement. You’re racist for even saying that

[@pinklight2754]

@@Cheshieruu not bait. Its reality

[@pickleknits3675]

“Schrödinger’s autism diagnosis” sounds like an amazing band name.

[@sanschmidt5457]

right? like every other meme with his name. the dude has/hasn't got so much stuff!

[@vannayoung4122]

I heard a woman yelling in the next isle at Target and the voice sounded familiar. It was Abby Lee on her phone like bitching someone out. I remained in the isle smelling all the laundry detergents, just listening to figure out exactly was she was talking about. She looked at me and said "do you mind" I just walked away, that lady is scary

[@kathoward2845]

it’s so absolutely bizarre to me that jojo bows managed to save claire’s financially yet now many of her merch products including bows can be found in 25 cent bins now

[@Empress_Elo]

oh, no, to me it makes complete sense, where else the people who bought dozens of them a few years back would put them now that they have grown up

[@icu3869]

That’s how most over- saturated trends end up. The part that matters is the $$$ in the bank accounts of Clair’s and the Siwas. They don’t care about the waste and aftermath as long as they made money.

[@breawycker]

The abuse of child stars is so prevalent and common and I'm glad it's starting to become talked about

[@apathybronson]

I mean. We also talked about it in the early 00s when all the Lindsays and Britney had their coke and party episodes. It just didn't change anything.

[@W-I463]

​@@apathybronson there will always be terrible people abusing their kids for fame and money. I think the benefits of conversations like these are that they teach people not to idolize celebrities too much. It's easy to envy celebs but conversations like these remind people that it's not all perfect.

[@katiehambrick4079]

“I don’t really remember much until I was 16.”…..yeah. The brain has a tendency to block out memories that are harmful…..just think about that.

[@BaobhanloreArt]

I met JoJo when I was ten at a meet-and-greet in Minnesota while I was visiting family. I got a signed book out of it which I still have as a relic of sorts. In the book, which I might write an essay on myself to use as a retrospect, she recalls how she was really into softball and was taken out for her career. How she wasn't allowed to wash her hair for a week for a Rapunzel routine on dance moms and felt gross and overstimulated. How she was apparently singled out by Abbey Lee Miller when she was the only girl who noticed she had entered the room for supposedly being a good kid for, which, looking at how she was then treated by Abbey, absolutely fucked with the mixed messages she faced. And how she supposedly always knew she'd be a performer but pretty much every move she recounts was made by her mum. Like, it feels like propaganda that she was doing okay.

[@07Flash11MRC]

"she was really into softball": I have no doubt she had hobbies outside of dancing (art). That time she spend a day at that military training with (I think) Rachel Ballinger she seemed genuinely happy and excited to be physically active and treated like everyone else. That would have been a much more genuine kind of growth than copying Miley, which didn't make any sense for JoJo to begin with (as she even admitted herself) and not even afterwards either, because she's already back with rainbow sparkling clothes.

[@flovilanna]

That's actually kinda sad although not surprising considering everything we know about the child celebrity industry. Could you maybe tell me the book's name, please?

[@BaobhanloreArt]

@@flovilanna JoJo's Guide to The Sweet Life.

[@W-I463]

She does seem like the sporty type

[@flovilanna]

@@BaobhanloreArt Thanks a lot!

[@Bakedtrash]

I think Paige could’ve made a better point by focusing on how the things labeled as “cringe” typically are rooted in ableism instead of armchair diagnosing jojo specifically.

[@AnnamarieForcino]

For sure! They definitely worded it poorly

[@josjoererg]

i remember a while back i saw a video paige made where she basically said everyone thinks they wouldn’t make fun of someone for being autistic, but still make fun of people for having autistic traits like being picky, having sensory issues, special interests, etc. it really stuck with me because it made me think that a. it’s so easy to make fun of people for being disabled without realizing and b. if i were to feel bad about making fun of an autistic person for something, it wouldn’t have been any more okay for me to make fun of an allistic person for that. growing up, i was the kind of person who would make fun of normal things people did or liked, and that video truly made me step back and ask myself “is this really something i need to make someone feel judged for”, because it generally wouldn’t be. apparently paige’s takeaway was that people who get made fun of are often autistic, so if you see someone being made fun of, you should just assume they are autistic. the internet doesn’t need to hear me go into depth about this, but i have a confusing medical history which was made worse by several doctors misdiagnosing me with autism (and, while coming to terms with my lack of diagnosis several years later, had a phase of thinking i was autistic while watching videos from paige), so seeing her sit back and diagnose a person as autistic made my skin crawl. edit: effectively rewrote the whole thing because i wanted to talk more about my personal experience

[@Link-dx1lx]

Yeah and while it's likely not intention, the way she phrased it also makes it sound like it's okay to make fun of people being "cringe" if they're not autistic which is just shitty.

[@ErinHonor]

Paige honestly has had.. quite a few troubling takes. Part of it can come down to how she phrases thins (often alluding bullying only being wrong because that person may be autistic). But she armchair diagnoses far too often when even a professional cannot and would not diagnose someone based off of their digital footprint. That's not okay. Her claiming that pretty much every person who dancer is autistic was also icky to me. And this is coming from someone who is neurodivergent and did grow up as a dancer. I was very much ostracized for being "weird" compared to the other girls. Yeah, there are a ton of neurodivergent people in the arts, but it doesn't sit right with me to claim that pretty much every person that is in the arts is autistic. It feels very invasive (and also a little bit belittling? the way she talks about autism sometimes makes me feel like every trait we have is, in her mind, tied to autism rather than being a living breathing person who is also autistic)

[@RatEatRat]

​@@ErinHonorI'm starting to see this concerning pattern of armchair diagnosis bc a person struggles with like.... anything... autism is being increasingly diluted by uneducated people and it really sucks

[@octoberannedjaspersmomma]

“In case you’re wondering, James Charles has a minor problem…. Literally. Oh, that might get me sister sued!” has me cackling!!! That was GENIUS… immediately subscribing!

[@nerdoftheatre]

1:13:01 Props to Howie, a celebrity, for questioning her about the situation. I haven't seen the full interview, but it seems like he's trying to get her to think about her situation in a different light. Also I think the hair bows on him are absolutely funny

[@clover6605]

happy pride!!!! so glad jojo invented gay pop for all of us to enjoy 🥰🥰

[@bluehairedvixen]

😂😂😂😂😂 best comment so far

[@NewSonyWonderHappyMadisonFan]

Unrelated but I love your profile picture. Silly cats give me joy in life.

[@theresidentialrat]

@@NewSonyWonderHappyMadisonFanthe cat reminds me of the autism creature😭

[@UmbrellaHatEdits]

21:16 That actually made me audibly laugh when they called her “Mrs. Toxic gossip train” because I’ve had that song stuck in my head all day lol

[@chojay13]

"why are people so comfortable diagnosing strangers?" -- for real! as a licensed mental health professional, we like, legally aren't allowed to do that because of how problematic and unethical it is. "better to assume autism so they stop bullying" how about we just stop bullying... anyone...?

[@AliceBunny05]

It was a bit of a weird take. usually paige layle has some great insight and takes but this one just missed the mark.

[@d.n.8919]

@@AliceBunny05nah Paige Layle is problematic in so many ways

[@AliceBunny05]

@@d.n.8919 Oh she's definitely had some off opinions or said some things I don't agree with. I've seen a decent amount of her content though and, especially her longer form content seems to have less showcasing of those weird takes. All I mean is that two things can be true at once, she has some problematic opinions but also a decent amount of content that is insightful, relatable, etc. Tbf on broader issues she has stances that seem to be in line with more popular opinions in the community, it's when it comes to specific things that she tends to say some stuff that strikes an odd chord or isn't quite thought out.

[@lauralaura4362]

why's it problematic and unethical, if you don't mind me asking?

[@Yam-jt3vw]

@@lauralaura4362 its incredibly invasive and creates false and harmful narratives. how would you like it if strangers speculated on what disorders you have?

[@ladyhexton3773]

Jojo actually said on the Cancelled podcast that the money she made from TV was worth losing her childhood over. If that doesn’t say it all I don’t know what does.

[@WiseSageBum]

Eh... She's barely an adult, good chance she'll have more nuanced thoughts on that in her mid to late 20s even if she still doesn't regret it

[@theKaraProject]

I mean she was raised by a woman who sacrificed her toddlers health and her teenagers safety for cash. I’m not surprised Jojo sees cash as the end all be all- it’s how she was raised. It’s sad.

[@not-a-ghost2206]

@@theKaraProject ​ and also it is probably all she has. if its worth nothing, the disillusionment would be severe.

[@orakulooo]

It's just like that Britney Spears episode in South Park. Jojo is the next sacrifice.

[@HalloPanikattack]

“Every child deserves a parent,not every parent deserves a child” -someone very smart probably

[@harrypottah8889]

people salivate over barely legal teens then get mad when they grow up… its weird. Yeah shes cringe but we would all probably look back at our twenties at some point and wince too

[@bunnyellabell]

i would almost argue her early twenties are more like her late teens (16-18) and would say that's due to delayed development given her situation. like the independence, rebellion, coming into yourself as an adult. only everything she does is carefully curated. it's sad

[@harrypottah8889]

@@bunnyellabell yeah im more saddened than annoyed. People are acting really weird around Jojo now and its like: you dont have to support the cringe lol

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

Please tell me JoJo wasn't given a "Countdown Clock" like The Olsen Twins were. That was revolting.

[@WiseSageBum]

I was a "14 and deep" kid who was neckbeard adjacent for a long time Wince is an understatement 😬

[@MTheBasementReader]

I'm 23 and already cringing at myself (granted, just like my baby teeth falling out I went through my worst phases early I hope) I just can't imagine having to do that infront of an international audience 😰

[@jikra]

Hearing these stories also puts my own trauma into perspective, because what happened to me happened when i was 15. Im 20 now, so not too much older i suppose, but already, thinking about a 15 year old in that situation i just wanna hug them and tell them they didnt deserve any of that. 15 man, 15. Thats just not right. Ill take this validation on my way out, hope you dont mind. Great video btw, jojos story of how she continues the cycle of abuse really is a tragic one so far. But in a way im glad theres light being shed on this, so that maybe people can understand just how much influence adults have over children and teens, and just how much grooming and abuse affects people. Truly, this stuff takes lives, please take it seriously.

[@emma-gk8np]

it seems like jojo has been groomed from infancy, she has lived in an abusive bubble and she's repeating the same patterns. i honestly believe she needs to get out of the limelight for a while and heal the damage and takes accountability.

[@eileensnow6153]

She specifically needs to separate from her mother. That woman is the worst momager I’ve seen since Kris Jenner. Jojo will never learn what a normal life is like with Jessalyn in the way.

[@randomburntbeans2243]

i enjoyed this so much and the nuanced take was so refreshing. i tend to see videos bashing jojo but looking into how her childhood and mom affected her and not holding her to double standards was so awesome to see. very few people in the industry write all of their music on their own, and seeing people bash jojo for releasing a song that she didn’t write is an asshole thing to do when most artists don’t write all their own music. this was a super well done and entertaining video, and i typically get bored with long videos after about 20-30 minutes so great job

[@CosmoQueen2900]

Imagine being a grown ass adult yelling at a kid to not cry. Hell is too good for that woman.

[@foooxface]

imagine having a parent that let that happen year after year after year (contract here, contract there....but not for so many years- the parents are more to blame than ALM ...they could have stopped/prevented it and didnt)

[@palasiksivain]

about the lesbian label: i used to be very awkward around the word too, i didn't like labeling myself as a lesbian even though i was comfortable with being a homosexual woman. through a lot of self-reflection and reading into the history of lesbianism and lesbophobia as a separate form of homophobia, i understood why i felt the way i did. it took me a couple of years to get over that initial uncomfortable feeling, but now, i've been out as a lesbian to everyone in my life for over three years and have been dating the most amazing girl, the love of my life, for over two years

[@kaitlyn.333]

When I first came out I used the label gay for a while because lesbian just had a weird feeling to it even though I didn’t think it was weird for other people. Eventually I got over my internalized homophobia but like I get it labels can be overwhelming

[@Fran_Glass]

Are either of you familiar with the poet Sappho? She is why we are called lesbians and sapphics.

[@palasiksivain]

@@Fran_Glass yes i am, i studied general literature in uni and was introduced to her poems back then! sapphic as a term is also applicable to bi women and other women who love women, not just lesbians 🏳️‍🌈

[@Narwhal5000]

Just when I think I finally get off the Toxic Gossip Train, I get pulled back in 😂

[@Rachopin77]

As a 30 year old woman I truly can’t imagine trying to befriend a 12 year old. Like I just can’t fathom it. There’s no way for it to be an equal friendship.

[@steemcgee5150]

As a 24 year old woman i can't connect with 19 year olds, let alone wanting to connect with a minor 😬

[@kimlycheeee]

yeah seriously i'm 29 and i find it hard to make friends with people under 25..

[@giu941]

I'm 23 and in my last year of college, I can't connect even to freshmen, imagine befriend someone who is in middle school... like I don't even understand what my 14yo brother says most of the time 😭

[@KathlynAllen]

At 34 I hang with my 12 year old niece as an aunt not a friend there is boundaries and she knows she can come to me about anything like a friend but that mama/auntie is gonna be the one responding. But being friends with some random 12 year old is crazy

[@DeaDiabola]

Same, wtf do I have in common with a 12 year old? It's more than weird, it is incredibly inappropriate at BEST. I'm horrified whenever I hear that. The "cuddling" clip made me physically ill.

[@alienmatsu156]

I'm so glad there's been so much deep dive on Jojo lately Watching her story and hearing details come out little by little, I honestly am more worried for Jojo than anything. Her situation is scary because it's familiar to other child stars or obsessive moms. I worry for Jojo and I hope there's a day soon she's able to truly see the evil she surrounds herself with.

[@Lulu_Loves_Sheep]

And realize the evil she herself has succumbed to. Let's not forget what she did to those poor girls in XOMGPop. But I 100% understand what your saying. She too has been through so much and it seems like it's what helped morph her into.. whatever she is now. It's really sad

[@alienmatsu156]

@@Lulu_Loves_Sheep I fully agree with that as well! I didn't want o rant on in my initial comment, but seeing hr mimic the behaviors and attitudes of these toxic adults around her is a major part in my worry for her. It's really sad seeing these learned actions take such a toll on her and the people around her. She is, unfortunately, 100% responsible for her actions as an adult and her mistreatment of those poor girls. Jojo and, once again the adults around jojo, genuinely hurt those families and its gross.

[@Lulu_Loves_Sheep]

@@alienmatsu156 It's why shows like Dance Moms should be more ethically monitored. Or simply should not exist. (I vote the ladder) - It turns the mum's and coaches against their better nature. Putting fame and fortune over the well being of the girls. - It leaves the girls traumatized and possibly will lead to them going on to hurt other people later in life. As we see with Jojo. I remember seeing a commercial of her talking about her success. I was in elementary school. She said "If you don't ever give up, your dreams WILL come true!" Looking at her now kind of makes me sad

[@THEDubbleHelixx]

How is this the very first time I'm hearing about Colleen showing JoJo her birth video? Of all the questionable things that's come out about her, that's the worst I've heard.

[@fleurdelalune8745]

"We wanted the views so we faked a near death experience" Bro that's such a wild fucking sentence 😭

[@fayegopop]

yeah but also i feel that’s truly her dads fault, children commonly play dead and make it a prank yk like laying still and then scaring, i feel this is kinda the equivalent of that for her considering her childhood was on social media and just fucked up

[@okiedokeymokey]

"what am i to you?" "a business opportunity." god that really sums it up huh

[@deleijon3415]

I'm a lesbian and know I am for over 10 years. I still say I'm gay because I prefer the word. I have nothing against lesbian and I do use it, but I prefer using gay. I don't think we should force words on other people, especially when it's so small.

[@charlieeuwu]

in my primary school, we got jojo bows banned because we accidentally set up a gang. (context: the popular kids wore them and you could only hang out with them if you wore one too - the leader had just seen Grease, so I imagine there was a little inspo there lmao - and it got to the point where certain colours and sizes meant different things, and the leader girl had the biggest one in rainbow. I remember getting in trouble for wearing a black one (once an emo, always an emo) because I wasn't "high enough rank" for that. Anyway, they were assholes and now I'm not even a girl anymore so... fun. Context over.)

[@chiefofthesky]

thank you for this story

[@rx500android]

Omg Siwa Gang is crazy

[@DarkFaeCosplay]

That wild😂

[@alliekat1431]

“I’m not even a girl anymore.” RELATABLE. 😭

[@sadghostyy]

this is so funny bye 😭

[@unscmistressgaming1132]

I would like to point out that Danielle and Jojo are two sides of the same coin. Both traumatized as children, both leaning in and affirming what people thought of them and both being pressured by their mother to make money. Danielle being a “bad kid”, a “delinquent” and Jojo being the perfect and childlike dancer. They responded to their trauma in pretty much the same way based on the views others had of them.

[@Alexandra_Indina]

The irony is that Jojo is a terrible dancer.

[@PirateNori]

as of today, 6/11/2024 there are no JoJo Siwa Taco holders

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

Don't give her ideas.

[@RobinGoodfell]

AHHHH! Hairdresser here, why WHY WHY WHY WHY WOULD YOU DYE A BABY’s hair???!?!? Come on parents!

[@shannonking8298]

We're forgetting that Jojo is a victim too. Yes she's an adult now, but acknowledging the ballingers and Shane's behaviour towards her would be forcing her to acknowledge her own trauma. She probably genuinely doesn't see it as wrong because it was normalised for her. Yes she's an adult now but she's only 21 and she's never had a normal childhood and this was normal for her. Jojo likely has trauma she hasn't acknowledged or realised herself.

[@lethfuil]

O agree that she didn't and likely doesn't see how not normal and often not ok things during her upbringing where. BUT (yeah, sorry) two points: 1.) A problematic upbringing doesn't excuse overall shitty behaviour from someone in any way. 2.) And that's something people often don't want to hear, but unusual upbringings that contain problematic stuff doesn't at all have to lead to trauma! Not everything that seems great is great for everyone, not everything that seems harmful is harmful to everyone. Like her being friends with groomers. It's not sure in what why they took advantage of her and since she also got her share (of fame) out of the whole thing, it might just have been a "friendship", where the business advantage for both sides was relevant. Adding to add: Child stars are often messed up, since they where used from childhood on and never had the opportunity to live a normal life. But this doesn't always have to mean that it was completely against their will, nature and personality. Hell, a lot of people are messed up by their childhood, but without being insanely rich. And they still enjoy their life. Pity is...nice and all, but don't overdo it.

[@luzvazquez4189]

That's true. It's also true that she's an abuser. Which is why she gets so little simpathy. 21 is young, but not young enough that she has no agency over all this.

[@turkusovelove]

@@lethfuil yeah sadly some people are BOTH having traumatic past, making them go into bad person AND they stay bad person like that. It is sad and feels bad to judge someone because they had pretty much no choice but to become an asshole or worse. But...everyone can at some point see they could be bad person and maybe it is not right. And sadly most people choose to deflect that unpleasant voice in the head and NOT change or work on to become better person. I think that we all should be more understanding towards everyone. But in the same time, some people cannot be helped, some people are bad because they were shaped into bad person. They will be bad person. The "uhhh but this bandit could some day see that he is bad and goes to uhh church and be good" Nah, this doesnt happen, anyone thinking that, please get real. If you want to at least try to see if the person is able to change, I am fine with that. We should change world for better place or try at least. But if someone talks to such person for a 100th time and for a 100th time that person says "bro, I see nothing wrong with my character, stop trying to manipulate me/lying to me or something - just accept that. It feels bad, I know it from experience but some people are just not gonna listen because it would mean big trauma for them and also big work for them. THey just want to be in comfy zone and if someone tries to change that - they are enemy or hater, even if you are their best friend, that makes no difference, they will just think you lost your mind for some reason and thats even more reason to not trust in anything. Good advice for everyone, if you meet a person who is strangely defensive or reacts aggresively to even simple sign of disagreement - just run, dont even try to fix them or get into relationship, that is even worse because even love sometimes is not enough to make a person think about their life.

[@DoDo-dq5lx]

​@@lethfuil idk abt u but that all summed up is trauma she has development issues and ITS OBVIOUS. And all things shes done werent by heer but her mum stands behind it... like guess who was the main person with the casting of the show with young girls and jojo? her mum... and I dont belive hee mum js disappeared out of her life as a star since shes filming her getting drunk at disney... isnt it gwtting obvious whoa behind all this still and is getting money? Her mom... and the producing team 💀

[@mary_myrosa8478]

hearing jojo talk makes my throat hurt like she sounds so scratchy omg

[@helyns1416]

I've heard she only has one vocal chord?

[@entransify]

she literally blew out one of her vocal cords due to yelling so much in her old videos and trying to sing without proper lessons. My own voice is pretty raspy due to the latter thing. It can happen and I don't recommend it!

[@haunting_one]

Seeing uncomfortable adult-child relationships is so horrifying to me as someone who's always had appropriate friendships with older people. Like those adults in Jojo's life did not care for her at all, and it is so sad

[@SubtleSecrets]

Having been the adult in such friendships, it’s so disturbing to see the lack of boundaries and recklessness those adults had. Even if they were acting in good faith (which I don’t believe), they showed no appreciation for the massive power imbalance at play.

[@deathontheworld]

this is totally not related to the video, and you're prob not going to see this but, hello Silas! We met in a mental hospital in 2023 and both discovered we watched this AMAZING creator. So Silas, if youre seeing this, I hope that everything has worked out for you, and just know i think about you every day. I love you even if you cant love yourself - Cam

[@AnnamarieForcino]

I hope Silas sees this!

[@itsantoniaaa9200]

I hope it will work out and he'll see this

[@amyreisenberg2431]

I cant believe they had a whole part of an episode dedicated to the dance moms girls hazing/bullying jojo. That was incredibly cruel, its obviously one thing to join a group and the group not liking you and that hurts enough. But to green light all of them insulting you (except for actual critiques on dance) and then you just have to accept that? Thats awful.

[@lulaloopsey]

wake up babes THE JOJO SIWA VIDEO DROPPED!

[@starcider]

holy shit its lulaloopsey :D

[@changlislover]

HOLY LULALOOPSEY!!

[@catnip7290]

Hey Lulaloopsey !!:3

[@arfchuu_]

Adam Sandler? what are you doing here?

[@whatsyouretammm]

lulaloopsey!!!!!!

[@SageStorm]

As an autistic girl, it in no way takes away from her clearly predatory actions. Sure, being autistic could make her more susceptible to grooming and predatory adults, but being a shitty person is being a shitty person. Her whole life is sad, and I hope she is able to heal after she (hopefully) leaves the circle of predatory yesmen around her. Reminder!! You can be autistic AND and asshole! Hope this helps! (In all seriousness, I love your videos and your coverage of Jojo was the only one I could truly stand. You buffer her extreme cringe with your humor, and it made it as enjoyable as it can be for a Jojo video! Happy pride month btw!!)

[@hydrogen3266]

I agree!! And we all should be actively trying to learn to be better people, changing, and righting our wrongs! I grew up undiagnosed AuDHD in an abusive household. It led to toxic behavior in my teenage years, but I was still wrong for how I acted. It’s okay to not always be right, and admitting to wrongs is the first step towards growing up and becoming a better person imo. Being abused and autistic are reasons for my behavior, but they don’t excuse it. I often hear the “they don’t know any better” attitude towards autistic people, but maybe they would know better if people pointed their behavior out to them. It’s also really belittling and ableist in my opinion, assuming that autistic people can’t figure things out for themselves. It reinforces autistic stereotypes, and affirms the narrative that autistic people can’t or shouldn’t be held accountable for wrongdoing (which leads to repeated shitty behavior) I also think our culture has a problem with admitting to wrongs. Instead of saying “I’m sorry I did that, I’m trying really hard to change my behavior,” people deflect and blame other people or things to excuse their behavior. The other methods are minimizing and ignoring past behavior, which are guarantees that you won’t change or grow as a person I feel guilty and embarrassed for who I used to be, but running away from that reality does nothing but deny that I’m a flawed person who hasn’t always been right about everything

[@not-a-ghost2206]

I absolutely agree. My therapist usually has to debunk all the lies I tell myself about autism because I have only made experiences with autistic people who were mean-spirited and reckless. Scarring me WAS their choice. I have changed to a totally different person because of that and it only perpetuates the stigma of autistic people as, at the very least, arrogant. And also don't be ridiculous paige, 70% of autistic people ARE bullied in high school so what is the difference to a rich girl who probably even isn't autistic? Can we please focus on that group instead first.

[@sideshowmob]

you should give her the same grace you ask for yourself.

[@DeaDiabola]

Tbf I was totally a dick prior to my diagnosis. I didn't realize why people seemed so upset or fully grasp how badly my words and actions affected other people. I was proper horrified when I did, because I didn't fully intend on that whatsoever. It's nice that you were able to see it, but not all of us can without a looot of patience and professional intervention. I feel like Jojo hasn't had the chance or ability to reflect.

[@AliceBunny05]

​@@sideshowmobwe are. misunderstandings and non intentional mean/rude/offensive deliveries (something most autistic ppl deal with) is not the same as doing shitty things that are morally wrong as an adult, that also hurt other people. you need to be holding yourself accountable if you are hurting other people/have hurt other people so you can work on not repeating these events.

[@Sakura_Mochi4]

I guess u can say Jojo is having a Bizarre Adventure

[@artistdudebro]

Those who are abused tend to perpetuate the cycle. I'm sad to see she's done her part already. I hope she heals from her trauma, finds her place in the world, and also stops drinking in public.

[@slsthewriter1299]

Key detail is those who are abused, don't realize it and/or refuse the help, tend to perpetuate cycles. Either because they don't know to avoid the same patterns, or they fall into those same patterns intentionally because it's all they know. But yeah. I really do hope she turns her life around, though I feel like that would require a rude awakening. Maybe she'll figure it out.

[@leafisactuallyaplantyk]

Some years ago there was this woman in my hometown who got arrested for dying her 5 year old's hair which landed the kid in the hospital with chemical burns. I just don't understand how anyone could do that to their child

[@hlsboxer]

I honestly loved the length of the video and the deep dive! I could sit and eat and crochet without having to look for or queue a bunch of videos!

[@Strawlighte]

1:41:37 The person saying JoJo is autistic is projecting so hard and its not good for anyone involved. Also, we should be kind to people because theyre people, not just because they might be autistic, girlie needs to work some things out in therapy

[@HaapainenRouske]

Yeah I usually think that her takes are good and reasonable or even relatable as a fellow person on the spectrum but "don't bully Jojo because she might be autistic" is just not a good argument.

[@DeaDiabola]

Yeah I'm autistic and didn't appreciate it. You can have your suspicions, but that's it. You still shouldn't assume definitively.

[@carlyhughes3290]

@@HaapainenRouskedidn’t she get called out on something else in the past? I could be confused tho