Why KC FAILED AGAIN / Cause for concern at G2? - The Best Damn League Show. S4E11 ft Zaboutine

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[@G2LoL]

the real concerning thing is Yike has yet to play Maokai in Spring he's not the same man 😔

[@decimo3609]

He didn’t want to play Trees this split , but You made him anyway 💀

[@spencerdyer4836]

01:19:36 - Thorin: "One time I'll give myself a rare pat on the back" As a regular viewer Lmaaaaaooooooo

[@karanshade488]

Zaboutine's show in French is so on point that I came to regret that most coaches will probably not have access to it, he goes straight to actual issue analysis and could help many struggling teams in lec.

[@TheUCruz]

Really appreciate Zaboutine's perspective on the KC situation, it's so bizarre thinking about their JG and SUP, Bo and Targamas, that they are almost total strangers to each other when they should prob be communicating the most and working together on how to lead the team. It feels like Bo wants his SUP to be the brains while he's the incredible hands and Targamas only wants to collect his paycheck and go home.. Keep in mind, after KC's final loss in Spring, Targamas was smiling while collecting his peripherals like 'oh now I go back on vacation? and still get paid? yes!'

[@milkman2266]

100% agree with Thorin in the beginning about zaboutine. I was one of those people who wrote him off and now that I’ve seen him on the show I like him a lot and would like to apologize. He’s been great and I was completely wrong. Much love to the French homie :)

[@Cashmoneez]

Zabu is a fantastic guest very knowledgeable and measured takes. I love that he doesn’t flame teams just bc he’s trying to be nice but is giving them the benefit of the doubt bc of supported reasoning

[@user-up9gt1sx7m]

when zaboutine started talking about Bo's turning it felt like a slap in the face hearing such good analysis, you really don't get to see people passionate enough to produce that level of analysis on broadcasts

[@Zwijger]

I was thinking too; Bo is looking more and more like Hylissang, and Carrzy is literally the ADC who will go in to make the teamfight winning play. Honestly Vit might have gotten rid of him while signing the hypothetical best bot lane match in LEC.

[@cremlindor6607]

We got confirmation that Thorin has the Rekkles video ready. This is gonna be juicy

[@iFParasit]

100% yamato told them to their face that saken and targamas have no future in lcs. And they were delusional about it.

[@linomorin7682]

Just remember that Vitality HAD BO last year... Ironic Life

[@ergonomics_of_flatulence]

i'm pretty sure vitality didn't have Life

[@douggorelick8117]

"they're making Fois Gras out of support" was the last thing I heard before dying of excessive Frenchness

[@leeniongaming]

Zaboutine should low key become the co-host of this show, best guest by far

[@ccc-eb3yk]

Bo in VIT will be so good but Daglas is so young and promissing idk what's better for the future

[@mikelytou]

Bo WAS in VIT and sucked, just like he did on KC. Stop dreaming.

[@webdisa]

Cabochard is getting a lot of heat but I don’t think he played that bad considering the environment that he was in.

[@gameplayerbr4962]

It's mind boggling how these two (especially Zab) can still have this much hope for Bo. This guy has been the PLAYER (not just jungler) with the most deaths IN BOTH SPLITS so far this year. "Oh, his teammates are bad". Ok, so let's go back to Winter 2023. He had Photon, best top in the league. Perkz, who was #1 in Kills, CSD10, DPM and #2 in Assists and KP in that split. And the bot lane wasn't good but the team was still #1 with a 7-2 record. And yet Bo had 37 deaths in 9 games, only better than Razork whose team went 2-7. Bo was #7 in KP, #5 in FB% and #5 in DPM. Completely mediocre stats while being on the best regular season team and having the best top side. He then proceeded to have frags such as 2/5/0 as Wukong against TH, 1/3/3 as Sej and 2/7/4 as Nidalee against KOI and 0/5/2 as Karthus against SK. In 5 splits he only had one mind blowing carry performance and that was against 113. Why still trust him?

[@Zaboutine]

I understand that it is a very unpopular opinion. But with how many are saying what we're saying, maybe there is more than a collective hallucination.

[@karanshade488]

I would say just listen to the very long reasoning of the two casters about him, you'll get your answer

[@THEkullerpuller]

There is a lot more to League than pure stats. That's why people flame KDA players. Hylli had splits where he died an incredible amount of times but was considered an MVP candidate. If you just look at pure numbers then yes, it looks bad but if you actually analyze the games and the way they played it's pretty obvious how he gets those numbers and people still praise him. He had one of the best toplaners in Photon who he played around very well in winter and spring but Photon was always incredibly disconnected from the team in the later parts of the game to the point where they were playing totally different games. Him and Perkz also looked like the best mid/jungle in the league at points and you'll notice that Bo looked very good in those games but as the season went on Perkz started to missplay more and more, messing up ganks which Bo enabled with some very good pathing and vision play and sometimes straight up inting even if he was ahead. Then for winter they had a botlane that was straight up bad, dying 2v2, falling behind even in winning matchups and often costing them games. When Upset came to the team it got a bit better but Kaiser was still straight up running it in a lot of games, selling out both Upset and Bo (kinda like Targamas does now). There is a lot of context missing to the stats you listed, that's why eyetest is so important.

[@piraad336]

Ah here is stat Andy, maybe if you watch the games with your EYES you might see that Bo is the least of KC's problems.

[@mikelytou]

​@@Zaboutine Oh my...what a point to make. Haven't learned anything from history, have you? Tbh, not surprising, given you've not learned from Bo's LEC performance history either.

[@Resuri02]

I just want G2 to pick up some lpl style plays like picking fights around timers to ensure they have an advantage for a later fight and stuff like that cause they already have lcs levels of macro if they can steal some lpl styles I think it’d make them worlds contenders for sure

[@melchiordelaunay2539]

The current problem with G2 is so simple people are struggling to see it. While much cleaner on the macro side, individually Mikyx and also Yikes in a certain extend are playing not so well, even often quite horrible for the former. Yikes get a pass because every game he has a black hole in botlane with a support who seems to don't give a shit about the game dying on cooldown. If Mikyx could go back to his last year form G2 wouldn't even sweat to win this split.

[@akomar93]

Still waiting for Frankie Ward special episode 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@iamtherock098]

Its on thorins yt channel

[@rooskrist7870]

Still waiting for his video on the Olofboost 😢

[@THEkullerpuller]

I'm so torn about KC this split. On one hand I am legitimately happy that they didn't even win a single game more than last split so they can't gaslight themselves and their fans into blaming Yamato. On the other hand I want to see Bo doing well so bad, not only because of his potential but even more because of how hard he is trying to win these games, as is shown by their comms. I want to see a team where Bo can just go completely ham and shut people up. Hopefully together with Yamato and Upset because these two are also getting thrown under the bus by KC.

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

I think people who are karmine fans should know, that Kameto's desicions of GM:ing might have permanently fucked Saken's career in the LEC forever. By keeping all the parts that made it hard for him, and removing the guy responsible for adapting the systems to the players he has. Either replace targa with trymbi, or keep the whole roster. If you're a fan of Saken, and a fan of the org, you have to come to terms with the fact that the guy in charge has failed harder than anyone has ever failed at the same job in recent memory, aside from FNC 2023.

[@tedsmith6385]

How did fnc 2023 fail? They didnt know rekkles was gonna be that wack

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

@@tedsmith6385 In the winter and spring they had giga stacked rosters but came 9th and 8th respectively. How is that not a fail?

[@tedsmith6385]

I know but it wasnt Dardo's fault that Rekkles had the worst form of his career. From a purely roster building view 2023 fnc should have been good in the first two splits and razork/humanoid were playing super fucking well in spring and winter

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

@@tedsmith6385 Firstly, they weren't, at least not together. Second, that's completely irrelevant. If you come to your driver's exam sick with cholera and hung over like a dog at the same time and do not pass, it doesn't matter what your conditions were, you still failed. In the same vain as 2023 fnc, KC this year should've been really good. But it wasn't. And the person bearing the responsibility is the one who made the desicion to include those players. Weather kameto or dardo had the opportunity to know it was gonna fail or not isn't relevant. They are in charge, they are responsible.

[@gangrenousgoblingangrounou7583]

@@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 I dont know matey I just fully disagree, I think the role of an owner or a general manager is to assemble a strong team before they are able to watch the players play on stage. If we are just talking theoretical strength then both 2023 Fnc and 2024 KC looked like strong rosters, I believe them being disappointments has far more to do with individual player responsibility rather than Dardo or Kameto

[@nickbohnlein634]

Calling Carzy "consistent" is the biggest understatement. Who even is better on his position right now? Carzy had one mediocre split and gets overlooked since them for some reason. This guy just dropped 13/1 on Exakick

[@nguyentri3608]

So when are we getting a dom episode again? Wasn't this the right one to unleash the mad dog after KC went 2-7 again? Unless we are banking the hype for another episode...

[@2sthimo449]

Last season it was a coincidence that he came in when the Yamato firing happened. They said they scheduled weeks in advance so I assume theyve already scheduled a different a week

[@user-up9gt1sx7m]

literally impossible to tell the difference between zaboutine saying yamato and kameto

[@miguelribeiro1601]

Targamas has had 3 opportunities to prove he is good. He is NOT LEC level Saken is too passive to play in LEC and Cabo has long lost his high competition skills, he seems like a totally different player from some years ago. Just ditch these 3 players, invest on supp, mid and top

[@Kiiiurself8482]

Bo doesn't suit this team and I don't mean that he is bad but his play style is very aggressive while upset is calm so they can't work together

[@webdisa]

As far as I am concerned this was one of the more watchable episodes. A lot more insight and way better in depth analysis than the awful IWD ones that I noticed I started systematically skipping

[@feature8]

G2 should crush and I expect them to dunk in playoffs. The worrying thing about G2 is that they play the exact same way as last year and what got them crushed at worlds.

[@loganfleek9613]

But they were smashing scrims! Lol I do think their mid game/map play has improved. My concern is that they dont draft the best comps at times because they all play so many champs they flex themselves into odd positions.

[@ryansherwood5214]

Also they smashed a lot of solid teams. They had the hardest road. And minus the meme one off day they had vs NRG they were probably still a top 6/7 team.

[@feature8]

@@ryansherwood5214Who did they smash?

[@ryandjidi6561]

I will legit be so sad if we get seperated from BO (talking about KC) and legit might stop being a KC fan if we do it and keep Saken and Targa (for the summer)

[@crocodile5902]

I just love hearing the downfall of kc

[@hardlo7146]

Is it really a downfall if they were never up?

[@antosqa7343]

Imo one of main problem with Adam is aside from his macro movement he is TERRIBLE at handling weakside. If he is falling behind he is falling behind very hard. I still remember the game he had as K'Sante vs Rumble in winter where he went down 50!!! CS in laning phase. After 1 gank from Isma. And he was down 25-30CS before that. He was down few K of gold. And all of games he was playing Renekton weakside, K'Sante, Sion etc are like that. It is expected that weakside top will be down, but look how 369, Bin, Kiin, heck, if you want western top there are guys like Wunder, Impact, Bwipo. They will be down 20cs, maybe 1-2 playes, but will still be mega useful for the team and might even win the game by good play. I don't see Adam doing it in his current state

[@alexandrubodnar5914]

Is sad to say but Bo had two of the worst mids and supports . Both Kaiser and Perks (I love Perks he was the goat of Europe) and Targamas and Saken where absolutely dog shit . Kaiser last year was in a way worst then Targamas people just fail to remember that he was dying lvl 1 2 in half the games or straight out not helping Upset in a 2 vs 1 bot. Both years top lane was very limited with Photon mostly only playing bruisers like Jax no tanks and this year Cabo only looking decent on Olaf and Rene . So really Bo had no edge to play around . Cuz ok lets say for a second Bo is just a bad player . Did Cabo/Saken carried any games like gods ? Did Saken said fuck that I am Caps this game lets go (or Humanoid or Vetheo or Nisqy) ? Did we saw any moment of brilliance from Targa like legit game winning engages flanks at least be annoying for the enemy team in a smart way ? Like even if the team is bad good players will shine even with bad synergy. BrokenBlade in Shalke comes to mind .

[@Cashmoneez]

Kaiser wasn’t bad last split on TH clearly he just needed a change of scenery/lane partner to show he’s lec level. Unfortunately his replacement is trymbi one of the best supports in EU

[@alexandrubodnar5914]

@@Cashmoneez yep he was so good the moment he was change the team instantly looked better

[@dkfopkskfosksdf]

Very good episode. Please invite @Zaboutine more often

[@Juicesipper17]

Keep 3 erl players or 1 lpl jungler 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😈

[@xsision5513]

Its definitely yamatos fault 100 percent how could a coach do this to a team filled with talentless players i can't understand

[@Cheezperson]

For the algo

[@mikelytou]

Y'all need to stop hallucinating about Bo. Has been complete trash in LEC, he's been an essential part of the problem both on VIT and KC.

[@Slashresto]

Yike has always been overhyped tbh, he was best when he played carry jungle but when Yike has to be the engager , playmaker or lane facilitator he is not even LEC quality... well he is like bottom of the LEC quality when he has to be the one who makes plays...G2 thrives when Caps is the main engage / playmaker.

[@THEkullerpuller]

G2 Bo anyone? Well maybe they need more of a facilitating jungler but I think if any org has the staff to understand him and integrate his upsides into their game it has to Be either G2 or Vitality with Mac no?

[@Slashresto]

@@THEkullerpuller I can totally see Bo fitting the G2 playstyle much better but i still think the main issue with Bo is his style just doesnt fit into the european way of playing. I also dont think he matches with any of the Mids in EU , DoinB is the only player that he fit with and he was a unique player. Also ppl overhype Bo so much its insane, he played like 4 games with FPX which he won when Tian was injured and then he was permabanned from LPL for matchfixing and ever since he has been awfull.

[@j.p.8409]

Bring back IWD permanently please.

[@pizdaloverbby]

Imagine having a pro spp that does not talk in game. I mean literally. How do you even win LEC games thats my question!