Why Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Deserves a Remake

[@chaoslacky1585]

This game and Coded should get a remake for PS4\PS5 and PC. Aside from fixing up the combat I think, that just like they added a Riku storyline for the Chain of Memories remake, they should add a Xion one for a Days remake.

[@smugaru]

Omg I love that idea. I'm totally on board with that!

[@harvington2139]

GBA also have riku story line. you just had to beat the game

[@smugaru]

@Harvington Yeah, it was always there. Good thing they didn't skimp out on it

[@jamilzayas5808]

How come the X Box isn't allowed a remake of 358/2 Days or Coded?

[@smugaru]

@@jamilzayas5808 I would hope they get them as well. I'm so glad Kingdom Hearts has finally come to Xbox 💛💛

[@kexith]

Been thinking about this for long time. Fully voiced Ability to pick partners for missions (local co-op) More mission types New worlds and expanded existing worlds Visit castle oblivion Be able to explore The world that never was Use lesser nobodies as weapons Add mini games, more fun than smashing pots or survival Play as Xion when Roxas asleep Improve world stories to link to other games like what was done with Xaldin and Beasts castle.

[@smugaru]

Aaahhh yesss, I would love all of that!! Just have it be really fleshed out 😍

[@GoldPrince2468]

Upgrade the panel system. Rotate pieces and add more abilities. Imagine the power trip you’ll be on with an MP Bar panel towards the end of the game. Or getting Gold Rank on the Riku boss fight lets you essentially use Valor Form with magic, letting you equip a second keyblade before your next fight.

[@TheJmastergames]

Fully voiced, that could be possible. Local co-op sounds like a good idea. Agree with more mission types. They can’t add new worlds because of the story. Expansion would be nice. No castle oblivion because is canonically at the same time as CoM. So lord reasons prevent Castle Oblivion. WTNW is same layout as KH2 Xion was doing stuff when Roxas was asleep. I think when she was with Riku. Nothing much really happens. No other worlds had interest to others like Xaldin and Beasts Castle, so yeah. Sorry for being a killjoy

[@kexith]

There are large skip days so maybe could fit in other worlds. Or Xion happened to visit those while Roxas asleep. Visiting Castle oblivion would be after Axel returned and with that you could enter other worlds. When Roxas leaves it would have been cool to fight all the remaining Org throughout the castle, the fight against Saix was a bit basic

[@TheJmastergames]

@@kexith Yeah. That’s a fair point, but unless it’s already established that they did that during that time, it’s not gonna happen.

[@krell981]

I'll play devils advocate for the panel system: It is a representation of the day to day resources they can reasonably carry in the form of items and perform in the form of magic. It needs some touch ups, perhaps a segregated equipment and ability panel to get some of the otherwise unseen effects these abilities get in Days. Tie it in with the mission set up and allow you to perform multiple missions in one day, but force you to rest if you RTC. You could get a pretty good persona-esque loop with this. If updated to kh3 engine you could have the ability to equip multiple weapons and switch between them, have a more fleshed out item set with armor panels, and get rid of dedicated movesets on each weapon to a command action specific to the weapon. I'm a masochist who liked the resource management the panel system brought though.

[@smugaru]

Ooohh interesting! You make a good point though. that's not something I had really considered. Adding separate panels for equipment and abilities sounds great too. I'll admit I do like the puzzle element of arranging the tiles, but now it just feels like a gimmicky relic of its time lol. It is also hard going back after playing KH3. Having swappable keyblades is too good lol. I've never played Persona, only see little bits and pieces (it's definitely a series on my list to check out), so I'm not super familiar with its mechanics, but your suggestion sounds really intriguing. I'd be down for that 👀

[@ANIMEBEAST27]

It honestly breaks my heart that this game will never get a remake, peopel will never get to experince my fav KH game as it was intended

[@smugaru]

I still want to believe that it could happen... maybe lol🙈

[@squishysnail]

I adore the panel system, I wouldn't mind it getting reworked but man I'd HATE if it went away, The panels were one of my favorite parts

[@smugaru]

Yeah, I've had a change of heart regarding my opinions towards the panel system. They should stay lol They are a part the game's unique identity. I think my main issue was that I always wanted more space to experiment with the abilities. So, making it larger and adding new tabs or sections would be better.

[@squishysnail]

@@smugaru I'd daydream about design stuff like this a lot, I think a really fun re-work would be making panels able to upgrade themselves, instead of needing to slot in level ups it could instead concatenate and the slots are more-so for the different styles you'd like (Kind of like how you had the different styles of blocking you could have) A thing I would change though is how magic works, I think it's fine making magic panels be for modifying the magic, or making it stronger, But I wish there wasn't a need for casts and the idea of an MP Bar is a lot better IMO The last thing I'll say is I think making panels synthesizable OR something you could grind for and I loved the multiplayer aspect of days so I think it'd be a lot of fun if there was genuinely people who liked to trade panels with each other because maybe they like having a dodge that regens their mp when timed well or something fun like that, while another player would rather have your dodge roll that goes a little further. The idea that panels could instead focus on a playstyle change rather than mechanical upgrades sounds really intriguing to me and I wish more games would utilize a system like this that encourages experimentation or some bosses or enemies are easier to deal with using certain set ups or some characters can utilize certain setups better than others all of that stuff sounds so fun to me! I think of it like building a deck in a card game the way you spend time building it together before going into a mission with a set strategy in mind

[@smugaru]

@squishysnail Yesss, those would be great! You can technically synthesize panels, but if it were more like command melding, that would be neat. And, I still love the idea of using the magic panels to augment the spells instead of being used for individual casts. Maybe allowing panels to level up would help too. Y'all have really given me so much more to think about for a remake. It's really cool!

[@AubreyTheKing]

During the release date of Kingdom Hearts 1.5 on the PS3, Nomura said he had always wanted to remake 358/2 days. But at the time, since half of the team of square was doing 1.5 and the other half was doing Kingdom Hearts 3, they didn't have time to do it. So they just had to turn it into a full length movie. Since that interview, I have no idea if he still plans to remake 358/2 days, but honestly hope he still does. Like you said, the game deserves it!

[@smugaru]

@AubreyTheKing It is interesting to think about. When I was researching an interview for 1.5 remix, I definitely got the impression that they would have done it if they had the time then. I really do hope they consider trying again. I do wonder if it's feasible to outsource a remake that just has to be monitored. It wouldn't need to be a drastic remake in terms of graphics. The cutscenes are done, and it would be really cool to have the remake resemble that "old" art style 😅

[@13KuriMaster]

For a Days remake, I would want to put more spotlight on how you play as someone who has their own legion of mooks to boss around..... in the game, the closest we get, is that the entry for the Samurai nobody states that they "serve under Roxas", but we don't see ANY lesser nobodies during the game (outside of a couple missions where we fight them), despite how said lesser nobodies showed up all the time under orders of the Organization members when we were playing KH2. Possible ways to add them in: 1) During the tutorials, while the Organization members were training us, instead of having the heartless we face just appear, show them getting dragged into the area by the lesser nobodies. 2) At the start of a Mission, have Roxas or another Organization member summon some lesser nobodies and give them a task to do in the background (keep the area clear of civilians, funnel the target to a specific spot, ect.)... most can do it in the form of an order, but Roxas (and later Axel) can phrase it as asking for a favor. 3) provide an ability that can let you summon the mooks mid battle to assist you, with the nobody type you get changing depending on wat character you are playing as in Mission mode (note may replace itself as a different ability when playing as someone who lacks mooks to summon).

[@smugaru]

Yooo, that's actually a really sick idea! Some light management gameplay involving ordering the lesser nobodies around or even treating them as a summon?. I dig it👀👍

[@13KuriMaster]

@@smugaru Well, the only gameplay idea I listed was using them as a summon, the rest was cutscene modifications... though I can imagine some potential missions in The Castle that involve management of the lesser nobodies.... like say maybe that's what Xemness usually dose, but one day when he's out of the castle (to speak to aqua's armor maybe?) Roxas is tasked with dealing with any Reaper or Ninja nobodies that try to rebel (this happening after the CoM events).

[@smugaru]

@@13KuriMaster Ohhh gotcha yeah. I do like those ideas! You got my imagination going though lol. I was imagining like a whole meta game where you could send out the lesser nobodies on their own tasks, maybe they level up and can find rare materials while you're doing missions.

[@13KuriMaster]

@@smugaru That can be a neat idea/feature. I was mostly thinking of lore/worldbuilding reasons here... as not often dose one get a behind the scenes peak at what it's like being a member of an antagonistic organization in a video game. One potential scene that's in my head is one that is started by Xion asking why she doesn't have any lesser nobodies under her charge, with Axel's answer (phrased as a guess) having to deal with Nobody types, and that the ones above Dusks will only listen to an Organization member of the same type (explaining why the fights against an Orginization member use similar mechanics to fights against the nobodies they command) and that Xion "must" then be a type that they don't have any lesser-versions of (With Xemness's power of nothingness letting him be an exception)..... and then maybe using that for some foreshadowing/call forwards of future events... like having someone remember that Axel's assassins have a self destruct move ("Yeah, I can do that too... not that I'm particularly itching to show it off."), or giving an explanation for how Roxas is the only Keyblade wielder that regularly fights with 2 keyblades ("Then what abilities might I wind up having as a Samurai-type? All they seem to do is be really good with swords, which I'm sorta getting already from the Keyblade."... "Well, they use 2 swords at the same time.... sooo, maybe you can pull out 2 Keybaldes?")

[@smugaru]

@@13KuriMaster I do really like that yeah. I think really being able to just expand on the inner workings and hierarchy of the organization and nobodies would be cool. I regularly hear that the Days Manga is more in depth as well (also supposed to be funnier). If we were to ever get a remake, I'm definitely wanting more expansion of the character interactions and lore.

[@Zetra7]

I need that Roxas vs Riku in HD. Its such an iconic battle and it deserves more justice than what the DS offered

[@smugaru]

Agreeeed! Sora vs Roxas is one thing, but Riku vs Roxas: just as iconic imo. It absolutely deserves being touched up for a remake!🤩

[@GoldPrince2468]

The panel system is my favorite part! I just wish you could rotate the pieces like the Programs in MegaMan: Battle Network. Maybe there should be a panel that unlocks KH2 MP bar as a reward for spellcasters.

[@smugaru]

Oh my goossh, so many times I wanted to be able to rotate the panels lmao 😭🤣 That is a cool idea about adding in new panels that might change certain features to be like KH2. New panels in general would be great if they were to keep it in (which I've been convinced they should lol)

[@MaevaStarlightXIII]

I love the original and i would love a remake. It's my only alltime favorit ❤️

[@smugaru]

I really hope it gets the reCoM treatment. Square can do it, I believe in them 😭🤣

[@presumablyaury7965]

It’s really fun to hear someone tackle this from a gameplay perspective! I was expecting you to take the usual line regarding how important the story is and how integral the gameplay is to that story- which is 10000% valid and absolutely a point I agree with. Hearing an argument on the point that the gameplay was fun but didn’t reach its full potential was refreshing. I have tentative hope that if we as a fandom keep asking for it, someday a full remake will be made, but I’m not holding my breath. Days definitely deserves it though.

[@smugaru]

Thank you so much! 💛💛💛 I don't think I could hype up this game in good faith without criticizing the gameplay. I fondly remember the story but it's one I won't actively revisit to actually play it 😅 If we as a community want Days to come back, then we should definitely ask for it to actually be fixed up. No pair of rose-tinted glasses could hide that from me lol😂

[@baronvonpiano7625]

One thing I would love for a Days remake, not holding back anything with Mission Mode. I have a soft spot for that beautiful mess, and would love for it to come back. Clean up gameplay, allow both local and online multiplayer, and even have a server full of new missions that is updated constantly. Hell, throw in a custom mission system, where you can decide what the goal is, what enemies are there and how many, and where barriers are. And another thing, have the game be in the old engine before they started using Unreal. Don't get me wrong, I love the Unreal graphics, but this just does feels like it would look better with it. I don't really know how to explain it. Besides, they already have 3 hours worth of cutscenes in that engine. One more thing, yeah Ruler of the Sky is a dirty bird, but I still have a personal vendetta against Leechgrave even 13 years later.

[@smugaru]

Oh, absolutely! If there was like an online task board that rotated out new missions periodically, that would be cool! I hadn't even considered custom missions either omg👀 I do agree. I would also prefer if they kept a remake using "old look." KH3 looked great, but I still have a major soft spot for the previous style lol. And don't worry, I feel you. Leechgrave is also on my on sight list lol😤🙈

[@RadiantDarkBlaze]

"what enemies are there and how many" Defeat the Zip Slashers! I've sometimes wondered what fighting 2 or 3 of them at the same time would feel like~ I cannot count the number of times I fought the Mission 41 Zip Slasher in Mission Mode with different Org members equipped with different Gear, I only know I got 99+ Elixir Recipes in the least efficient (but imo most fun) way xD

[@TrevortheTrainFan]

I couldn’t agree more! Same for the original Re:Coded as a playable remake.

[@smugaru]

I do hope that Square considers remaking them at some point. I have more faith in Re:Days than Re-Re:Coded, though. I get that it would be more games to play through in the collection, but I'd still like it, lol 😅

[@cyndertnt6382]

man, i been saying for years, a kh days remake has huge potential for the modern gaming scene.... like if they put in the time to develop it, the possibility for online co-op is crazy and bringing it back to basics with kh 2 type gameplay which is totally the best in the series in my opinion, the command deck has potential through re:coded especially, and tbh i didn't mind the panel system too much as a kid, i sort of enjoyed the puzzle solving of trying to figure out on how to best optimize my set up for said mission, but for a remake on modern consoles, i feel as if it will need a bit of an adjustment for sure like u said in the video, but like they can either take it out completely and make it like traditional abilities and magic like kh 1-3, though ngl i haven't thought much on how they could do combo modifiers for different keyblades, cuz that is quite the cool idea, either they can scrap it and just make all modifiers as abilities or maybe just make each keyblade play literally different from each other like in the OG which would be insane on the modern systems of doing things, idk man there is just so much potential.... and with it being ROXAS as the main protag, legit one of the most popular kh characters i believe... if Square played their cards right, it's just screamin' money lmfao.... but like i said, only if they want to put in the time to develop such a project, which would definitely take a lot of time and such to produce, who knows lol, i just know it would make a ton of kh fans' days haha (no pun intended), just food for thought.

[@smugaru]

I was doing a small bit of research into the 1.5 Remix. It seemed like they had just held off on releasing it for at least a year we could have possibly had a playable Days remake/remaster. It's hard not to imagine the what if situation now lol. 🙈

[@keith3278]

Honestly I think one mechanic from Days that NEEDS to come back into the modern entry's going forward is how different tiers of the magic family were handled. Fire - Was the traditional homing blaze ; Fira - Was comparable to a high caliber rifle shot ; Firaga was like lobbing a grenade. Blizzard - Had repeatable tracking ; Blizzara - Was a ground like landmine ; Blizzaga - was an Anti Air Mine. Thunder - Chased & Multi-struck ; Thundara - Was a defensive multi bolt storm ; & Thundaga - Simply put was the F^^^ You bolt of vaporization. So on & so forth.

[@smugaru]

I could possibly get behind that. I remember that they kept it sort of similar in Recoded too. It actually gave more of a reason to want to use different tiers of a spell for different playstyles.

[@keith3278]

@@smugaru It'd free up space for more threatening heartless battle design.

[@smugaru]

@Keith It would definitely allow for more versatility and give purpose other than saving on MP lol 😂

[@garrettvance4686]

I genuinely felt like i was the only one who genuinely enjoyed this game, gear system and all

[@smugaru]

I don't think you're alone on feeling that way. A couple others have had positive things to say. A lot of it I did really enjoy on my initial playthrough too. The complaints really came about for me while trying to go for extras. But reading the comments I have a newfound respect for some of the elements I criticized before.

[@gyutp8476]

7:25 Alterative idea: bring the Command Deck system for any magic and items for this. Extra: add "NEW" characters to the mission mode. I'm thinking: KHII Sora (as a Gear extension for the KH 1 Sora), Ventus, and Vanitas (because that this point, _why not?_ ) Also: *Make Dual-Wielded Roxas in this **_CRACKED AND OP_** as Hell in this!!!*

[@smugaru]

Ooohhh yeesss okay! Mixing in a command deck would absolutely streamline magic and item usage. Definitely agree with adding new characters for mission mode, too, especially an official playable Vanitas would be awesome lol 😆 👏👏

[@bloopblopglip]

Im currently playing this on 3ds as well as the first game on my pc through hd collection both on proud mode after I've basically left the fandom after base Kingdom hearts 3 launched and i was thoroughly middled on it not really thinking it was the greatest im really enjoying my replay of the series finding 1 to be a lot better than i remembered and playing through 358/2 days for the first time on 3ds i really see the charm the bite sized pieces of kingdom hearts that make up this game i find really intriguing i rhink it's a really good game for a ds original but if we're gonna do a proper remake i would love a more in depth and focused combat system and hopefully the more traditional camera although the camera is surprisingly great on ds i wouldn't say it's a contender for the normal kingdom hearts camera movement but the game overall is pretty snappy and intuitive which if they just put a little more development on with a remake could become something really special

[@smugaru]

I think for a first attempt at KH on DS it's not that bad at all. It's very faithful. But for a remake or even remaster I do think it should be improved. That's my hope hahaha. That's exciting to hear that you're enjoying the series again. KH1 is still one of my favorites personally. Definitely some jank, but still mostly a good time

[@daydreamerlumi]

I'd love to see a proper remake of this too. Just an hd remaster would not cut it (imagine seeing Roxas sleeping with shoes on in 2023 LMAO). Days was my first KH game (I was hella confused but super sucked into the mysteries). To the game's credit with the combat, I think a lot of its flaws lie in trying to make a KH game for the original DS to begin with. They learned a lot for future titles, but there was more or less bound to be some growing pains. I'm not sure how much better they could have done with this hardware with not much experience tbh. I can think of better combat in action games pretty easily for the 3DS, but I can barely think of any 3d action games for DS at all. I basically agree keeping the story/dialogue the same while maybe expanding the worlds and altering the missions would be great. A lot of the more random ones like the blob missions wouldn't even look good/make sense scaled up on a modern console. It would be cool if you could do a new game plus mode where you could replay the game as any organization member, or extend the amount of days that you're doing co op missions with them/add new minor cutscenes. I was always sad you'd have to exit the main game to test them out. And I always wished you'd get glide way earlier in the game too, it feels weird without it. Maybe in a crazy world they could remake chain of memories as an actual action game and mix it in there too LMAO, but that would be hard to do with pacing. It could be Kingdom Hearts Re: Chain of Days LOL

[@smugaru]

Yess, I definitely agree. A lot of the issues really seem to be from them trying a little too much on the DS; adapting the Kingdom Hearts command menu on the DS made things so much difficult and clunky. The command deck is much better in comparison. But Days could be improved upon so much more now. You and several other guys have made real cool suggestions. You're making me want a remake even more now, honestly 😂

[@jaden149]

days might be my favorite KH game honestly hope that it gets a remake one day

[@smugaru]

Same here. I'm definitely still holding out hope 🙈

[@alexw4482]

I really enjoyed the panel system. It had a lot of customization and was one of the most unique things in days. The combat needs a big overhaul though.

[@smugaru]

Yeah, the panel system is something I'd be willing to reconsider. Y'all have convinced me 😂

[@alexthegamingteacher8150]

I was reading that the director didn't want to delay KH3 anymore by remaking this. Why can't they remake it now that KH3 has been out for a while??

[@smugaru]

I would assume because KH4 is probably the focus now, and whatever the Verum Rex project might be. Honestly, I'm more expecting there to be a new BBS or Days equivalent game. I would hope they consider remaking this one though (and recoded of course lol) Maybe another internal, or 2nd or 3rd party studio could work on it. That would be great 😍

[@Rokushi_ftw]

I've always just called The Remake That Never Was "Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Re:Lived" lol In my opinion, the Panels are fine as they are, but instead of equiping magic, you should equip commands in a different panel being the Command Panel Give it the Command system from Coded, and there we go

[@smugaru]

Yeah, I've come back around on the panels lol 😆 Adding in commands would be really cool too. I do think they would definitely benefit the game. And have a separate space for them that doesn't clash with the other panels.

[@Rokushi_ftw]

@@smugaru Exactly, that's what I meant by a Command Panel Just replace magic and items with what BBS, Coded and DDD did and the game becomes 10,000 times better The normal Panel would be reworked into the "Stats Panel". You equip Levels, Stats like Strength, Magic, Defense and Elemental Resistances, Elemental Boosts, Mobility Abilities, the Block, the Keyblade, Armor/Accessories and Different Limit Breaks. There we go, fixed the Panels and kept them unique by keeping the Keyblade and Accessories there instead of making a separate Equip Menu

[@jembozaba4864]

I really, really want a Days Remake. Improve the gameplay, though keep the gear system and add more cutscenes. Also, I think after you beat the story, there is a second story where you play through the whole game again from Xion’s POV.

[@smugaru]

I am coming around to the idea of keeping its original systems and expanding on more stories lol. And I agree with you, a Xion story mode omg, that would be awesome!!! 👀

[@jembozaba4864]

@@smugaru Xion is easily my favourite character at this point. Love her to bits. So being able to play as her, doping missions while Roxas is sleeping, fighting Riku and Axel and exploring CO. That's what I would most want from a Days Remake.

[@smugaru]

@jembozaba4864 I love Xion too. She's such an interesting character, and it's hard not to emphasize with her. I would love to get to play as her in a more "canon" sense.

[@BEATmyguest31]

I need to live long enough to see FFX & the KH series all get the modern treatment

[@smugaru]

Yeah! We might be getting there hopefully. Have you seen the headlines that an FFX remake is rumored to be in the works? I do still like KH 1 and 2, but I think I might be open to remakes that bring them up to a new standard. 👀

[@kikofernandez9184]

Also improve some of the organitation characters, like my favorite was alway luxord but his combos didnt do S...t

[@smugaru]

Right!! It's so awesome getting the opportunity to play as these characters, but some of their combos are whack lol. Luxord is a good example 😂😂

[@alexfraser8352]

For the love of god, PLEASE!! this game and re:coded should get remade. Then they can rerelease a version of the kingdom hearts all in one that actually has those games on it

[@smugaru]

That would be perrrfect. They absolutely deserve it. With this new phase/era, there really should be an effort to tie up these loose ends and get all of the games consolidated into more easily understandable collections

[@robbyjvc]

358/2 used to be my favorite DS KH game, but nowadays i prefer recoded, despite its gimmicks 😅

[@smugaru]

Days certainly wins for being the more memorable experience that does lose a little just being cutscenes which is why it deserves an actual remake lol.

[@LaCazaLP]

And here i am. hoping they dont cheap out on the Multiplayer like they did with BBS. Such a waste to not Give us Mirage Arena in times of PSN where it would have been so easy to play online with strangers. But seriously. Give us a Days Remake Square.

[@smugaru]

Exxaacctly! I was a little disappointed when I found out that BBS got ported without any online multiplayer. I was sort of looking forward to finally checking that out lol. Unfortunately, if we ever do get a remake, I absolutely see them still dropping the ball with multiplayer. It would still be nice even if it would only be peer2peer so it wouldn't have to rely on dedicated servers with matchmaking.

[@kumekazuma7728]

just finished this today and fr, they need to remake this game, i liked it a lot

[@smugaru]

Ayyee, that's awesome!! There's a lot to like about it for sure. It sucks that it's basically stuck on the DS (or emulation 👀)

[@AverageAlbertX]

I've been having the same opinion. Days has become one of the bests of the entire series. The story clicks so well, and the characters are so lovable. And so many fans, myself included, are having a huge outcry begging for a remake. With HD Gameplay and missing cutscenes. Give us more Roxas and Xion cutscenes since they're my favorite characters of the series, and I'm a huge Rokushi stans. I'm not the biggest fan of Coded/ReCoded, but remaking that game can be possible as well. But that game's gonna have to wait after Days. But then, there's Chain of Memories. If I were to change ReChain of Memories, that's easy. 1: Get rid of the cards mechanics when you're in combat, and make the gameplay as similar as KH1. 2: Get rid of the Disney Worlds, they serve no purpose to that game aside from being a Hand-held KH1 game, which didn't really work tbh. But then, there's also Union Cross. You probably know why that one deserves it as well

[@smugaru]

Oh, don't even get me started on a KHUX remake. I'd be all over that lol But yeah, I would like to see a Days remake first over a re-recoded or even a another chain of memories. The story for Days still just has so much potential!

[@AverageAlbertX]

@@smugaru It does. There changes I have in mind for gameplay. 1. Replace the heartless bosses with Protagonists (such as Cloud, Leon, Yuffie, Tifa, Aerith, Aladdin, Genie, Beast, Hercules, Jack Skellington, and Peter Pan). While keep stuff from the game we had, like Roxas vs. Saïx 2. Xion's gameplay I don't know what else to bring up. But IMO, Days is the game that deserves a potential remake over any others

[@smugaru]

@@AverageAlbertX Ohhh fighting previous companion characters from the first game would be really interesting. I actually kind of dig that lol

[@josephwatkins527]

We need them both remade it needs to be done

[@smugaru]

That part. Exxxaactly 👏👏👏

[@Lapis_Pylosiphorum]

I still like Dayz more the Coded however they both deserved a consul release or a final mix remaster IMO I’d take literally either as is with improved graphics & nothing more, maybe an online multiplayer would’ve been nice too alongside the local wireless however I did get the chance to experience it with some friends so it’s not a deal breaker on me

[@smugaru]

Oohhh, that's awesome you got to play some of the multiplayer! 🤩 And yeah, while I do love recoded, I would prefer to see a Days remake first. To me, it's the more important story.

[@BBC190]

I wanna play as org13 again in mission mode I loved playing as Vexen

[@smugaru]

Right? Getting to play as org members is one of the most unique parts of this game. If they don't remake Days, I hope they bring back some form of a mission mode back in a new game

[@Dugeny]

I respectfully disagree on some levels. Some missions feeling boring or repetitive creates a feeling that I think is essential for the story that 358/2 Days wants to present. So the dark globes, the recon, all that stuff needs to stay. It's a part of what makes the game unique ; take all that away and keeping only the collect hearts/boss mission and you have Kingdom Hearts, but with Roxas as main character. The recon missions in specific have really great potential, and are really unique among all the KH games. We need those. On the topic of bossfights, I think there are only two major issues : - One : the bad rep of the bosses in Days is mainly due to the game's age and the support it was released on. Sure, some bosses don't really feel unique, and sometimes their fights are just a bit plain and basic. But ... so are a lot of bosses in KH1. And even in the series as the whole. You can't make every boss fight super special, clever & unique. Sometimes boss are juste meat shields or stat checks. So I think it's a bit unfair to point at that aspect of 358/2. I think it's just made worse by the fact that's it's a little bit slower and uglier. - Two, there's I think two bosses who are not problematic in their core mechanics, but are juste overtuned and a bit ruined by the limitations of the game, namely, of course, Leechgrave and Ruler of the Sky. The mechanic of Leechgrave (dodge the poison from the main body, kill the Tentaclaws to provide an opening to it) is fine in itself, but it relies a bit too much on your aerial combos hitting the Tentaclaws, which makes for a very long and frustrating fight. But just fix the height/reach of the aerial combos and you're solid. Maybe tune down the health of the main body a bit too if you want. Ruler of the Sky is interesting in idea, he just has like a bit too much health. Of course, the fight would really improve if you had a way to prevent him from moving or to reach him quickly. I admit that landing 1 hit on his tail per geological age gets old really quick. But the Xion bossfight is a gem, the Antlion is a solid and unique Heartless boss, Crimson Prankster is ... a bit whatever, but still a bit more interesting than the original Trickmaster if you ask me. The Massive Engine is also fun, with an array of different attacks that you need to learn. The day in which you bossrush 6 massive Heartlesses (7 if you're insane) is also really cool. Maybe what the game truly lacks is one or two bossfights that feels a bit more like unique adversaries and not slightly bigger or colorful models of other ennemies you already faced. But on that aspect, 358/2 Days also suffer from not having the easy way that KH1 & 2 had for bossfights ; Disney villains. From a story point of view, since Org XIII tends to stay in the shadows it would be kinda weird if Roxas just layed on Hades. And on a gameplay point of view, I mean ... does somebody wants a fourth Genie Jafar bossfight in the series ? The panel system needs a bit of improvement or a mini-rework, but that again is part of the uniqueness of the game. If you just delete it and replace it with the traditionnal system, the game loses part of it's identity. So sure, more space, more variety, whatever, but the panel system in itself is an interesting idea. It's probably the most custom-like build you can make in all the KH games, which is even more interesting when you consider the immense variety of characters you can play in Mission mode. With the panel system, you can really make something unique with every character you want to play as. Challenge mode, while not flawless, never appeared to me as unclear. Each objective is specified in nature : sure, it's not written precisely how many hits you can take or in how many seconds you need to finish a challenge, but isn't it part of the fun ? When the game tells you to do something as possible, why do you need a specific and precise timer ? Also, the argument of Challenge & Mission just being there to pad the runtime is kinda made in bad faith, I think. Of course it's there to pad the runtime, it's post-game content. It's like doing a critical run, a level one run or doing optionnal bosses in any other game : you don't need to do it, it's juste more content and more challenges you can chose to impose on yourself or not. Online multiplayer for Mission mode would be a given, I think. The local multiplayer was 100% a restriction from the support it was released on and not a choice.

[@smugaru]

You have a lot of a good points, and it still re-enforces for me that it sucks that the game is just stuck on the DS lol. I am still impressed at how much they were able to do on it, but the game deserves a second chance. I can agree that missions being "repetitive and dull" was intentional. It adds to the theme that you're working a job; they're supposed to be mundane lol. I think a lot of my issues with the combat would certainly be fixed if the game was given the opportunity to exist on modern systems. One where the combat could be more fluid and consistent, and less rigid. Ruler of the sky and Leechgrave (and Antlion) are really cool bosses, but it always felt like the game they were in wasn't equipped to handle them. I hadn't considered the lack of Disney Villain bosses. You face Pete once and that's it really lol. I had noticed how lonely it felt at times not having a Donald or Goofy equivalent. But that was something I chalked up to it being a side game, it helps differentiate the experiences. Panels I'd definitely be open to a rework, and I do agree that is another important component to the identity of this game. @krell981 suggested having separate sections for equipment and ability panels which I think sounds great. I'd say my big issues with the panels, for me, is it felt like I was limited in getting to thoroughly explore all of the different perks and abilities, also I do just hate having to slot magic individually hahaha 😂

[@Dugeny]

@@smugaru Yeah, I guess the game feels kinda lonely without D&G. You're often accompanied by another Organization member, but the fact that you can't do any combo attack with any of them or that they don't heal or help you in any way makes them a bit too much irrelevant. This surely could be improved upon with some tweaks to the AI. I still think the panel system is good, maybe a little too Tetris-y ? Sometimes it feels like some shapes are juste here to frustrate you. But I think it's cool to be able to customize your parries, rolls, flight, etc. The magic system isn't perfect, but being able to prioritize one type of magic above the other (in quantity or quality) is I think a neat idea. It surely could be worked upon aswell, maybe a system in which you have access to all magic, but you need to equip panels that takes up space in order to boost a specific type (like a cooldown reduction if you wanna work with that, maybe juste damages,etc)

[@smugaru]

@@Dugeny I do enjoy the puzzle element of the panel system. A bit of a love/hate relationship haha. I do like your idea of using the magic panels to boost the spells power or change how they work but letting us always have a version available to cast by default. Also, the org members I just see as like babysitters rather than party members or companions lol. But your idea of being able to have team attacks with them sounds sick! 👀

[@mysticmongrel1289]

I say do what those fan-modders were doing & give Rucksack the KH2 ability list + battle system Alternatively make it a hybrid of 1 & 2 in formatting of abilities, magic, etc. KH1 magic is the best format of magic use anyways

[@smugaru]

I like what you're putting down here. Like I would imagine, most of us would be accepting of them just basically molding the new concepts of Days on top of the foundations of KH 1 & 2. They are still really good games! Also, justice for the KH1 magic system, for real 😂👏

[@mysticmongrel1289]

@Smugaru Cure should not nuke your health bar. Limits should however. We need a Mod giving KH 2/3 the KH1 MP bar with Reflect being the new Gravity in cost & Magnet having the Aero Cost. Bring fucking Stop back too

[@smugaru]

@@mysticmongrel1289 Yesss, I am here for bringing back the KH1 MP system period! I guess I can understand why it was changed, but I've always missed it lol.😂 Would also love to see reflect, gravity and stop come back seriously, at least as options.

[@BrennySpain]

the most spontaneous upload on youtube ever! hands down! no joke.

[@smugaru]

Just thought I'd try something a little different this time 😂

[@BrennySpain]

@@smugaru keep going with it! I love what you do here on KZbin! You are absolutely amazing I think!

[@smugaru]

@@BrennySpain Thank you so much! I'll be honest, making this video was not "spontaneous" it took me quite a while to put it together, so I appreciate the compliment 🥹

[@BrennySpain]

@@smugaru I know I’m just saying the time you actually uploaded. It was 4:30pm in the afternoon over here but I just happened to be on KZbin at the time when I got the notification is all.

[@smugaru]

​@@BrennySpain Hahaha gotcha, I'll have to keep that in mind😉

[@cheesydanishgaming3333]

I always thought Roxas was a much cooler character personally and that was the sole reason why I’ve said this game needs a remake Ok not the sole reason but you get me Though tbt I’m more interested in Roxas because of a personal Mandela effect I have that no one else has commented on only to tell me that’s not what happened Yes.. I know, obviously a Mandela effect is something you remember one way but in actuality happened another way than what you remember I just wanna know if anyone else has the same memories as I as I’ve found there have been similar instances of a collective remembering the same Mandela effect and so far in regards to this one nothing Other than my mom remembering it the same way as I which is already strange If anyone’s curious I’ll add a reply onto this comment

[@cheesydanishgaming3333]

So to be straight right off the bat the Mandela effect I have shares a couple scenarios with what actually happened in days however the game I remember this being in was KH2 on the ps2 This wasn’t final mix edition btw which is what makes this more intriguing and my brother didn’t even have a DS to play days Ontop of that it was on the old blocky CRTV I remember watching my brother play on Anyway for the actual Mandela effect I remember you playing as Roxas for much longer than you actually do in KH2 as in he was playable throughout half the game before you swapped back to Sora Essentially the plot was rather similar to COM or I suppose a more direct sequel to that Essentially Sora wouldn’t wake up due to some of his fragmented memories still missing and you as Roxas had to find them with the help of Donald and goofy to wake him up It gets fuzzy after that as most of what else I remember is gameplay but what I do remember is that you played as him all the way up to beasts castle however once you got to the Xaldin fight Sora would appear in Roxas’s stead Now this Xaldin was a much more important and badass character than he was in the actual game as it’s actually scripted for you to lose the fight to him as Sora to where Mickey would make his first appearance to fight him and save Sora And you couldn’t actually revive Sora until you beat him That’s pretty much the major differences except for one thing The Roxas boss fight Now if I’m not mistaken the Roxas boss fight wasn’t an actual fight on original ps2 non final mix version and was relegated to a cutscene Where as I have vivid memory of my brother fighting him As for the rest of the plot it remains the same as far as I remember I’m 21 rn so I was probably about 3 or 4 when this happened More likely 4 Also random I just looked up the date it’s absolutely crazy how kh2 came out in the same year as resident evil 4 Not the same month but same year One last thing I forgot to mention I remember all this happening as base Roxas Yaknow dripped out in white not in his organization coat Not until his boss fight anyway and during that one flashback cutscene where he said no one would miss me to Axel Also I know Roxas was in beasts castle with Xaldin in days but as I said I remember this on base non final mix kh2 for ps2 and from what I remember they definitely weren’t working together and in fact it was quite the opposite I truly don’t understand how I could be remembering this so vividly only for it to not be the case to reality when I replayed it recently and know the story as it is nowadays but yet still have this vivid memory in the back of my mind

[@smugaru]

@@cheesydanishgaming3333 That's actually really interesting! It's possible you just very vividly remember being stuck in the KH2 intro lol 😂 If you're not skipping cutscenes it can last a while. And it's not like nothing happens, there's a lot going on. And since Days shares the same look of KH2, I could see those memories getting mushed together because it is such a good extension of the story. I actually think your version would make for a compelling "What if" scenario honestly. I have a similar memory from KH2 when I originally played it on PS2: I was convinced that there was a side scrolling level/mini game inside of the Timeless River world (the old-school black & white world). I keep expecting it to show up on subsequence playthroughs and it's never there lmao 🙈

[@cheesydanishgaming3333]

@@smugaru it’s wild I wish I could share screenshots to KZbin cuz I literally just asked my brother if he ever had days around that time and he said he didn’t and that would’ve been a whole 4 year gap for it to be the same day And ontop of that if he never had days there’s no way I could’ve remembered Roxas being in beasts castle but yet I do and i especially don’t remember it on a smaller screen And Yaknow again Og ps2 edition without days on it so I really don’t know I agree tho good what if scenario I just kinda wish it was the actual game lmao

[@smugaru]

@@cheesydanishgaming3333 That's wild. Maybe you tapped into your psychic, future sightseeing abilities then lol

[@beautifulsoul9477]

Kingdom Hwsrts should've been popped out a multi-player.

[@smugaru]

I agree. A multiplayer game is something I've been wanting for a while now, honestly! 💛

[@The_13th_Voyager]

Didn't we talk about improving part of Days' system months ago? (I know I'm a year late to comment on this vid, but still)

[@smugaru]

@The_13th_Voyager Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right. We were talking about it lol! 😂

[@BrennySpain]

Do you still plan on talking about birth by sleep soon at all? My second favourite game in the series after the original kingdom hearts. I hope you do someday.

[@smugaru]

I might consider it. I think, I'm just unsure of what exactly I'd want to discuss about it. I got to BBS fairly late (first time playing it was on PS4), and I have somewhat conflicting opinions about it, lol😂

[@BrennySpain]

@@smugaru yeah fair enough then. The PSP was truly a magical experience back in the day.

[@smugaru]

@Brendan Spain I was tempted to buy one a few years ago, lol. I never owned one back in the day. I was still working through my Nintendo fan boy era back then🤣🙈

[@BrennySpain]

@@smugaru ahh cool then lol

[@lesedithipe5176]

This is the reason I got a ds emulator just to play 358/2 days and recoded

[@smugaru]

Completely understandable. Like, having the cutscenes is nice. Especially if it's a day you don't feel like playing and just wanna chill. But like, Days and recoded don't really hit the same without gameplay. Going back and looking through Days cutscenes, a lot of it is just standing around (or sitting) and talking lol.

[@Kingdombattlepvp]

The multiplayer in this game is op !

[@smugaru]

Definitely a big reason it should be remade. We need more KH multiplayer lol

[@obeserob5027]

Speaking as someone who did experience the multi-player, that was extremely unbalanced. Which made it more fun but someone new to the series may have a poor experience.

[@smugaru]

That doesn't surprise me honestly hahaha. So, it would also need to be tweaked some for a remake😂 All I could really see was that some of the characters need to be made more viable. Not all of the organization members are necessarily fun to play lol. I appreciate your perspective.

[@ChuckleStevensonTV]

If a remake is made they need to get somebody to say the subtitle whenever you start a new game. I know there already is a proper explanation of how to say it exists, but not many people read the manga Edit; even to this day the title kinda makes sense but is also confusing

[@smugaru]

It's actually said in the game's original trailer. But that was ages ago now. Most people have probably forgotten or never knew 😂

[@ChuckleStevensonTV]

@@smugaru I didn't know that; I'm curious now. I'm gonna see if I can find it. Thanks for letting me know

[@smugaru]

@king_kursed9359 I feel like even hearing it out loud would still confuse people lol. "Three -five-eight over two days" Only when it's being played can one truly understand haha 🤓😂

[@acevedohiram]

I liked the panels better than the card system

[@smugaru]

I get that. The panels are way less overwhelming than the CoM Cards hahaha 😂

[@nekoinabox1264]

it should get one it was a good game we need a remaster for the people who the never played it

[@smugaru]

Exactly. It's a different take on the series that's worth a redo. So much potential. Even if it were just to give us another multiplayer kingdom hearts game lol

[@paulwilliams5949]

I want because online or local multiplayer

[@smugaru]

Exactly, I really want some more co-op Kingdom hearts game 😍

[@thorstenpyre7636]

Id pay for a remake fer sure

[@smugaru]

Mmhmm, they might even get me to pre-order it again 😂

[@killerbee1974]

It's the only title I played in the whole franchise and I never even finished

[@smugaru]

Another reason why we need a remake: To give you and anyone else who weren't able to, a chance to finish the game 😌👌

[@AKAthe3rdPERSON]

The point is tetsuya should have stuck to the ps2

[@smugaru]

Honestly, in hindsight, it would have been cool to have seen Days release on PS2 👀

[@CFLaughs]

Why did chain of memories get a remake but not this one?

[@smugaru]

Asking the real questions, lol. Like, from what I've looked up, it was because it would have delayed the release of 1.5 remix, but like... what about since then? 😂

[@CFLaughs]

@@smugaru I think fans were impatiently waiting for KH 3 and square wanted to focus on that? I think it's weird how they made BBS and DDD playable but not this and Re:Coded.

[@smugaru]

@103peanut Absolutely, but like they could still do it now though... maybe? 😅 It's frustrating, though, because yeah; the GBA game got a full remake, PSP and 3DS got that HD bump, but the two DS got crumbs basically, lol

[@CFLaughs]

@@smugaru I find that they basically got ambitious with porting all the handhelds to HD consoles only to leave the job half done by making the DS titles HD movies. If I were on the development team I wouldn't be proud of leaving the 2 DS titles unfinished like this.

[@smugaru]

​@@CFLaughs Right?! And the cutscenes look really good too. You can just imagine how good the games would have looked too! I would have taken the delay for the remix collections if I knew it meant we'd get playable Days or Recoded lol.

[@kierenbuckley370]

pretty sure 358/2 days didnt even sell all that much on the DS so that was an L for Square Enix should have just made it on PS2/PS3

[@smugaru]

Agreed if Square Enix had given this game the chain of memories treatment, full remake to make it more consistent. I definitely would have appreciated that.

[@coldandstinky]

I agree.

[@SDR1639]

Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days HD it is a movie remake for kingdom hearts 358/2 days nds old version

[@SDR1639]

but they don't remake game play

[@smugaru]

@Data Bk3 ( ds) Very true, but I think they should remake the gameplay. It's not the same, just being a movie

[@kyuriht]

I agree but i don't, the gameplay is fun because you can use keyblade you want with different combos It's funny because It's vary. The pannel system Is fun. I love the fact i can play the game infinitely differently. The grid extends with time as It should. Sure I want better graphics and a good controller instead of the DS The fact that some missions are boring It's the point, you're not exploring, you are working and both us and roxas probably don't like working, the boring mission gives emotion to the next scene after work, the one you go home and enjoy yourself I agree, the remake should be the exact same game with minor adjustments, mainly coop online 👀

[@smugaru]

Yeah, I think a lot of my complaints would be ironed out if it were just on a newer system/updated lol😂

[@daniil9263]

yes!

[@matthewsimmons9277]

Lol the remake should give Donald zetaflare as a late game spell.

[@smugaru]

I would looovvee that. We have no clue the next time we'll get a chance to play as a magican Donald! lol

[@DIUMA123]

more like Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Final Re:Mix

[@smugaru]

Whatever they call it, you can catch me in the pre-order line 😂

[@Sanjixoxo]

Not a hot take this game is ass always has been only Roxas fanboys think it's some underrated gem

[@smugaru]

It was "okay" at the time, but it didn't age well in terms of how it plays. That's why games like these are perfect for remaking lol 😆

[@matthewsimmons9277]

On switch

[@matthewsimmons9277]

Put remakes of coded and days in a 2 in 1 game cartridge.

[@smugaru]

@@matthewsimmons9277 Imagine, all the other games are left on the cloud for switch but remakes or remasters of these two came physically lmao💀

[@Westile]

Its refreshing to hear a Days fan admit that its the worst game in the series. Some of you are alright I guess.

[@smugaru]

It has to be said. I feel like I hear no one mention how weak it is in terms of core gameplay, hahaha. That doesn't make it a bad game overall, but it would easily benefit from a remake 😌👍

[@Westile]

@@smugaru Now please make "Why Coded is the Best in the Franchise". You know it in your heart that it's true.

[@smugaru]

@@Westile Believe it or not, I already have lol😂👍

[@Westile]

@@smugaru HOLY BASED

[@smugaru]

@@Westile 😌💛