Why Lamar Jackson deserves MVP over Josh Allen | Football 301

[@slaveofTMH]

Lamar Jackson plays in the AFC north! That is all the argument one needs.

[@erichudson3608]

The HARDEST division in football. PERIOD

[@rodmills737]

Exactly

[@rodmills737]

@@erichudson3608facts

[@fadya.3660]

I agree with it being Lamar, but anyone saying this conversation can be decided by only one argument is just being naive.

[@fadya.3660]

@@erichudson3608this year, that would be the NFC North. Then it’s close between the AFC West and AFC North.

[@melaninknowledge3658]

The NFL players just voted lamar the best QB for this season, so what does that tell you? I'll go with the opinions of the guys that have to play against him rather than bias voters

[@FollowerOfChrist365]

🗣️💯

[@rodmills737]

Exactly, how can they not give it to him, Dan Orlowsky had the absolute dumbest take on why Allen should get it, but we all know Lamar is the real MVP of the league

[@aravendownsouth7117]

That part!!!!!! They should decide it not people who don't play!!!!

[@aravendownsouth7117]

I don't give a damn about Michael Vick because he wasn't a great passer!! He never was!!!! Lamar is "HIM"

[@jimkelly832]

Thank you, melaninknowledge 3658. Lot of high IQ people down there in baltimore

[@joshm1671]

100% Agree Lamar is the MVP. Hes the Best player in the World! Players will tell you, vast majority of fans Agree, film Agrees. Hopefully the Vote is correct

[@gnarkilleptic4871]

Glue eating Bills fans would disagree

[@rodmills737]

Yeah he definitely is the best player in the world

[@IvyDLicious]

Best player in the World? Yet he has 5700 total yards and 80 total TDs less than Josh Allen who had played in 12 more games. I guess wins, yards and TDS don’t matter much anymore.

[@rodmills737]

@ you can down play it all you want Lamar is having a better season than Allen and it ain’t close

[@STEALTTH7]

Josh Allen highlights are WAYYYYYY more impressive than Jackson's. Allen has been the best player since 2020 and it's not even close over that time. I do think that Lamar has improved and would put him #2.

[@lees5953]

Well well well the players voted Lamar Jackson first team all pro. There’s nothing else to talk about the actual players voted.

[@mattcannon7334]

Baltimore doesn't need to tear down their players; Lamar is statistically superior. Buffalo has no case, so they create abstract arguments to say "Allen does more with less" even though his defense through 16 games had the most turnovers forced, he has a fantastic O line (top-3 IMO), and a RB that won their team multiple games. Lamar is just better, and he has carried a team that performed, overall, FAR worse than Buffalo through 11 weeks. Lamar kept them afloat and just continued to shred every single team he faced, with three new OL in front of him and a new (FANTASTIC) RB in the backfield.

[@josephcorbridge5421]

If you wanna talk about RB's leading to wins, here are the numbers: Lamar was 2-5 when Henry had less than 90 yards and 10-0 when he had more than 90. Allen was 9-3 when Cook didn't get 90 yards. You tell me whose RB's carried the team in stretches?

[@mattcannon7334]

@josephcorbridge5421 you're making my point. Instead of making an Allen-vs- Lamar debate. I'll point to historic numbers from Lamar. Henry is the closer, he's fantastic. Other than the Buffalo game, his big runs are generally in the second half when Baltimore is up. Lamar has fourth highest passer rating in nfl history, Baltimore had third highest ever yards per play, Lamar best ever td-int ratio (over 30 td passes), best yards per pass in league, best yards per carry in league. Through week 15, Bills fans were hanging onto QBR. Who ledat year-end? Lamar. Just looking for the statistic argument for Allen. Buffalo was better through the course of the season, Lamar was historic all year.

[@mattcannon7334]

@josephcorbridge5421 Allen was 7-2 in games under 114 passer rating. Baltimore was 1-5.

[@robrays]

lmfao you guys literally got worse from the year before. Stat padding losers to the BROWNS AND RAIDERS.

[@mattcannon7334]

@robrays here it is.. resorting to name calling because you've got nothing left. Yes, Baltimore lost its whole defensive staff, four key contributors on defense, their whole rb room and 60% of their ol room. What's crazy is, they were 12-5 and were a historic offense. It's been fun to watch, and Lamar is by FAR the best player in the league. A Buffalo fan calling Lamar a stat padder is crazy work. You've obviously not paid attention to their games LOL

[@realsinceday1632]

Bro why does nobody bring up the fact that the bills played TERRIBLE competition this season. I understand they beat the chiefs and Lions but they went 2-3 against playoff teams this year. That means 11 out of their 13 wins were against teams that were not in the playoffs. The ravens were 7-3 against playoff teams so not only was Lamar better but he was putting up these numbers against better competition. The only reason Josh Allen was able to do what he did with the “lack of help” that he had is because they were playing bad teams all year. I wonder what Lamar’s stats/wins would’ve been if he had the bills schedule

[@jamesrussell4345]

Josh Allen threw 18 ints last year. Talk about that. If the stats were flipped, would LJ even be in the conversation. I think not.

[@STEALTTH7]

Um. Allen led the NFL in total touchdowns, Total yards, was 3rd in QBR ahead of Lamar even with the ints and accounted for 86% of his teams scoring. Lamar was only 53%. Remind me why Lamar won last year because it certainly wasn't stats last season.

[@STEALTTH7]

And over the past 5 seasons Allen has accounted for 4300 more yards and 70TD over Jackson...and he sits....a lot.

[@joemenrollins]

@STEALTTH7 Beat best teams had best record and Josh had 18 ints with 10-6 record! That’s why

[@Cokenya_ll]

@@STEALTTH7Lamar had better stats. Only difference was the 13 touchdowns Lamar gave Gus Edward’s

[@joemenrollins]

This is a fake argument because the obvious is strength of schedule! Everyone knows it because who you play has been used for EVER! Now to pander for Josh no one bring it up! Lamar - 7to3 playoff teams Josh. -2-3 playoff teams

[@williamdunn7202]

Josh had a ton of big wins? He played 4 playoff teams and went 2 and 2. Lamar played 10 games against playoff teams and won 7.

[@angelopinagomes1591]

2-3 not 2-2 Lost to ravens houston and rams

[@williamdunn7202]

@angelopinagomes1591 I missed that, so thank you. That makes the case even stronger.

[@jimkelly832]

LAMAR LOST TO THE RAIDERS AND BROWNS ARE YOU STUPID. THE RAVENS FINISHED WITH A WORSE RECORD THAN THE BILLS

[@babychief2879]

LJ for MVP if you look at the whole season and not just 2-3 games

[@STEALTTH7]

If you look at the whole season, Josh Allen was there as the guy from week 1. The reality was that Allen was already the MVP candidate leader going into the KC game and every said "well this stretch is going to determine the MVP". He played absolute insane football against KC, SF, LA, DET. Jackson was up and down a little which is when Barkley started to get some traction. Allen's offense is the highest scoring Buffalo Bills team ever He tied an NFL record for most consecutive 30+ point games and did that in 12/16 games We was consistently tearing it up and leading this team all year and he didn't have 8 other pro bowl players to help.

[@babychief2879]

@ Josh has been up and down this season, yall just chose to ignore his bad games, and he doesn’t even have to play amazing for them to win,they’ve won with him playing bad multiple times this season

[@MarvG3000]

This is Lamar and it’s really not even close. Saquon should finish 2nd. And Sam Darnold has been almost as good as Josh Allen.

[@chrisgilbert9927]

Funny how Bateman and Flowers wasn’t good enough last year now they’re balling because Lamar stepped his game up.. now he has weapons? Yeah ones HE developed.

[@DG-420]

Because he’s the best player in the league

[@jamesrussell4345]

He has a better won lost record against the teams in the playoffs. And they blew out Buffalo. Shouldn't that carry some weight in the voting.

[@STEALTTH7]

Jackson didn't have a good game against the Bills. it was Henry's 200 yard game that killed a depleted defense. Allen beating KC and Detroit carries for more weight.

[@sainttrunks1982]

Its a Joke if Lamar doesn't win it with the same team status/wins and historic stats as Josh.

[@josephcorbridge5421]

Lamar's MVP was a joke last year. If Allen's is a joke at 41 tds, 8 turnovers, 13 wins with just 1 other pro bowler, than Lamar's last year is a monumental disaster at 29 tds, 13 turnovers, 13 wins with 10 other pro bowlers. You Lamar people need to be careful, because if you go down that road with Allen, you have to nullify Lamar's MVP lasy year. Oh, and Lamar had a historic defense last year as well.

[@sainttrunks1982]

@@josephcorbridge5421 I agree last year, Lamar winning was a joke too. Just as Josh winning it this year is. But you're just making stuff up sir, Josh doesnt have 41 td's he has only 28 pass td's 12 rush. And Lamar has 41 pass td's & 4 rush tds and only 4.ints. That's all time record historic. Josh havent even hit 30 pass td's yet. and has 8 interceptions. ..What We talkin about here?

[@STEALTTH7]

@@sainttrunks1982 He's right... At the end of 16 games after Josh Allen was allowed to rest for week 17: Allen: 41TD, 8 Turnovers, 13 wins, 77.2 QBR, 1 other pro bowl player Jackson 43TD, 9 turnovers, 11 wins, 77.5 QBR, 8 other pro bowl players

[@STEALTTH7]

@@sainttrunks1982 For the record, this was Jackson's first time throwing for 4000 yards. Allen did it 4 years in a row prior to this year when he sat 13 quarters and just missed. Allen also has averaged around 5000 total yards of offense, 44TD, highest scoring offense in the NFL and second most in wins. Oh and he has accounted for over 80% of the scoring in that time which is also 1st. And guess what? No MVP's. Every season from 2020-2023, Allen had better stats. Comparing to Lamar in the last 5 years. Allen has 4300 more total yards and 70 more TD. That's what we're talking about.

[@sainttrunks1982]

@@STEALTTH7 what does that have to do with this year's MVP?

[@darthrevan6]

I think the only real argument for Josh Allen getting MVP is that it would look weird having Lamar with 3 MVPs and Josh with none. While I think they're very close to each other in terms of value. Lamar is still having the more impressive season though.

[@jabarin3917]

"It would look weird if lamar had all the MVPs and Josh had none" is not a legitimate reason and are basically saying let's give it to Josh out of pity. The MVP goes to who deserves it.

[@TrillVilla5]

As an observer of Buffalo being someone from Western NY, this is Josh's best season thus far. The biggest issue is this seems like the first season where he actually took being QB seriously in the off-season. It shows in his lowest turnover numbers of his career. I would like to see him show consistency mentally before just handing him the MVP over someone who played much better than him. Hopefully he can prove it again next season.

[@DSrDavis-tq9qp]

​@@TrillVilla5Well spoken , Josh has been outstanding, but Lamar season is just speechless.

[@DSrDavis-tq9qp]

​@chopin1975-tq3gxDo you see the stats around the league, they where 👎 down , not like this yr, Baltimore was steam rolling the best teams not barely winning, that's why Lamar won it period.

[@darthrevan6]

@chopin1975-tq3gx Last year was a historically bad year for offense in the NFL. Lamar literally won 10 games versus winning teams and was the best player on the field consistently. Down the stretch he was dominating against top contenders like the Lions, 49ers and Dolphins. He deserved the MVP.

[@hisoverlorduponhigh90]

Lamar , MVP.

[@fadya.3660]

Is this where all the Bills fans who shitted on their roster to make Josh Allen’s MVP case while praising the roster around Lamar, somehow argue the Bills are better than the Ravens, the team that blew them out this season? Crazy how that works.

[@STEALTTH7]

It's crazy to watch the Baltimore game and ignore the fact that Derek Henry rushed for 200 yards and won that game and that half of the Bills defense was out.

[@fadya.3660]

@ so defensive injuries were why the perfectly healthy offense put up 10 points on the worst defense in the NFL at that point in the season? Or are you arguing the offense that averaged over 30+ the entire season would have not scored 30 that one particular game if some average defensive players were playing? We’re definitely not going to call them great because Bills fans were very quick to boast how little pro-bowlers Josh Allen had to rely on his team. They were going to be the ones to make a difference against the best rushing offense in the NFL? The Ravens dominated better run defenses like the Steelers and Broncos. The Bills even fully healthy weren’t going to be different and you’re lying to yourself if you think otherwise. Bills fans claim the Ravens have a better roster (as a knock on Lamar), and they’re absolutely right. The Ravens are better.

[@Cokenya_ll]

Lmao so now Rashad Bateman and zay flowers are Torry holt and Isaac Bruce to weaken Lamar’s case. Got it

[@speedsketch17]

Josh Allen stats look closer to Aaron Rodgers and we call Aaron Rodgers a bum

[@tracyjohnson3394]

What' missing in sports talk? The obvious: the celebration of the game! NFL is experiencing a banner season oVERALL!! Last year' draft-class will be memorable, too. Instead, sportstalk sounds like winners and whiners who bet on games, or like to fantasize football for money. Cant enjoy a good ballgame w/o certain commentators mucking it up, gaslighting player- greatness on the simplest of things, spooning peanut butter on player-things we've never seen before..historic irony.

[@estx1980]

Do any of these guys have an actual vote?

[@fadya.3660]

Kind of irrelevant.

[@estx1980]

@ 3 guys who’ll actually impact who’s the NFL MVP vs 3 guys just giving their opinions is kinda relevant lol…I’m just asking outta curiosity

[@danz1182]

Both Lamar and Josh have had great seasons. For those saying it is "not even close" all I can figure is they have not seen any Bills games. Allen has hit over a dozen NFL milestones this year that nobody has ever hit before. You just need to watch some games to see the way he extends almost every passing play. It's unique. Watch him change receiver's routes while they are running them. It's amazing. He IS the Bills offense. That is not a knock on Lamar's greatness at all. It's just Allen is doing something thus year the league has never seen before. Lamar's performance has been great. Josh's has been singular. The voters watch all the games. Allen will win.

[@death2beta843]

How many records did Josh Allen break this year??

[@STEALTTH7]

I don't have them all, but here's what I do have. Remember, he doesn't have any other star players, not even a 1000 yard receiver. And people forget that he didn't get Cooper until week 7 and he was out with injury along with Coleman and Kincaid....and Allen had a broken hand. He still did all the following regardless which is absolutely what an MVP does... 4th QB all time to have 13+wins, 40+TD, and fewer than 10 interceptions 1st QB in NFL history to record multi pass TD, Multi Rushing TD, 350+ passing yards and 60+ rushing in a game 1st player all time to record multiple rushing and passing TD's in consecutive games 1st player to have multi rushing and passing TDs 3 times in a season 1st QB with a rushing, passing, and receiving TD in a game 1st player to have 3 passing TD and 3 rushing TD in a game 1st QB with 6+ rushing TD in 7 consecutive seasons NFL record 5th consecutive 40+TD season (next closest is 3 years) Only QB to ever beat 2 14 win clubs in a season (which ended up being 15 win clubs) Tied NFL record with 8 consecutive 30+ point games 12/16 games over 30 points (record is 13, but Allen sat 13 quarters) Tied Most wins in Buffalo Bills history Highest scoring Buffalo Bills team in history Fastest team to win division this season 8-0 at home Touchdowns to 12 different receivers. Most fantasy football points ever by a QB in a game Most fantasy points ever by a player in 2 consecutive weeks.

[@STEALTTH7]

Some of the more historical stuff was other things like having the most total yards, wins, touchdowns in his first 7 years. He actually owns the first 8 year record for TD and hasn't played that season yet. Again, if Jackson somehow won MVP over him last season and stats weren't an issue when Allen was for more productive, than the small difference in stats this season and the clear narrative in Josh's favor should make it pretty clear who deserves it this year. And it's Allen.

[@STEALTTH7]

What determines most VALUABLE player. Start there. Because Allen was better last year by A LOT statistically. So why did Jackson win last year. Anyway.... At the end of 16 games after Josh Allen was allowed to rest for week 17: Allen: 41TD, 8 Turnovers, 13 wins, 77.2 QBR, 1 other pro bowl player Jackson 43TD, 9 turnovers, 11 wins, 77.5 QBR, 8 other pro bowl players The Buffalo Bills were supposed to be a team that regressed. Window closed, missed the playoffs, The Ravens got a nearly 2000 yard MVP caliber running back and were supposed to contend for the Superbowl. Allen was consistent all season long and was always an MVP favorite. Lamar Jackson had some ups and downs and when he was down a little, the conversation moved to Barkley. Then Jackson put up 5TD vs the Giants and suddenly we forgot about what Allen did to KC, SF, LA, DET. The Buffalo Bills, with their all new receiving crew (except 1) and the Bills offense tied an NFL record with 8 straight 30+ point games. Allen put up over 30 points in 12/16 games. The NFL record is 13. It was the highest scoring Bills team of all time. They tied a franchise record for wins despite the team losing all of their captains and many key guys on defense, and it showed. Allen set somewhere near 20 records this season (Game, season, historical) Last season, Allen led the NFL in total yards, total TD (15 more than Jackson), was 3rd in QBR (even with the Ints, was better than lamar). He accounted for 86% of his teams scoring where Lamar was at 53%. These are the same 2 guys we talked about last season. Stats didn’t win Allen an MVP last season and I’m still not sure what narrative supported Jackson’s MVP. And Josh Allen has averaged around 5000 yards and 44TD in his previous 4 seasons while accounting for the highest scoring offense in the NFL, 2nd most in wins and highest percentage of his teams scoring at over 80% and never got an MVP. Now because Jackson matched his numbers he HAS to be MVP? We need to stop the nonsense here. Josh Allen is your 2024 MVP.

[@STEALTTH7]

Here's a great video showcasing Allen making impressive plays in big moments game in and game out. Lamar's highlight reel and narrative this season (despite his excellent stats which are now finally at Josh Allen level) are not as impressive as MVP candidates go. If you give Lamar Jackson MVP last season based soley on narrative when Allens stats were significantly better, and then flip it around the following season and say "oh just kidding, its now all about stats" you discredit the MVP award that he Jackson won. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2i3aYOHjJ14pcU

[@sfteevee8303]

It is Allen. He did more with less.

[@robrays]

Lamar for OPOY!!!

[@lees5953]

😂yeah 41/4 td ratio over 5100 yards passer rating 119.6 beat 7 out of 10 playoff teams, Josh was 2-2, Lamar plays in afc north. A harder division and harder schedule boy stop. Allen is only narrative driven. Sam Darnold outplayed Josh Allen.

[@spaveevo]

Josh Allen has to do more with much less. Lamar has the 2nd best runner in the league. It makes things so much easier. And Josh Allen has the better record and beat the chiefs.

[@Lidogz]

Josh has a legitimate #1 WR in Cooper, 1000yd rusher w/ 15TDs in Cook, solid slot WR in Shakir, solid TE in KIncaid, and the #1 offensive line in the NFL. Josh Allen doing more with “less” is overstated.

[@MarvG3000]

Lamar has done more with less than ever qb. He’s better then allen and it’s it’s really close. Bills wr core is better then the ravens. Defense is better. O line better. And still a great rb and good te

[@Daxie916]

These fools with the stats, Allen had better stats than Lamar last year. Way to move the goal posts. 🤦‍♂

[@theorangepillnurse5399]

The bills were 11-6, ravens were 15-2 and they lost to bad teams that year like jets, bengals, broncos, and patriots

[@juniorluma9129]

I hate when dumb bills fans talk anout Allen stats was better last year he wasn’t even second in MVP voting so what is the Bills fan saying he was like 5th in voting 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@KILLBILL683]

Yeah, Allen threw 18 interceptions nearly every year.

[@brashadcarr6759]

The players voted for Lamar on their all pro team at QB back to back years nobody saying it's about stats at least not in general

[@TheSmokey27]

You weird the ravens had best record in league. Plus 8 being freaky . Bills are second and 8 having historically great season. Did Josh last year ? Honestly?

[@DonBJ21]

Josh stat pads. Cook woulda been MVP candidate with those rush 10 tds