Why Little Cup's WORST Mechanic isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Lemon is back again with MORE LC CONTENT!
I'm pumped to be back and hope you all like this one, and you all have a great day.
I was in a rush to put this one out, I hope it doesn't seem too rushed.
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• Jubilife Village Vibes Song One
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[@pokeaimMD]

If lc was level 6, a ton of speed ties would be fixed. For instance, Natu would be 20 speed, allowing it to always check Mienfoo and Grookey who cap at 19 speed instead of games in Gen 8 that were decided between that 17 speed core. Same with Staryu/Abra ties as Abra would always outspeed. I think it’d still make LC super easy to get into but make less games come down between ties of more than 1 mon haha

[@LemonLittleCup]

Damn I 1: did not know that, pretty cool, and 2: I'm a huge fan, I watch like all of your videos :) Seeing you comment on my channel and actually watch a video of mine made my day for sure lol

[@balancemaster55]

The doctor has spoken!

[@butteredsalmonella]

I remember having to explain to a friend that Wingull got banned in USUM LC because "it was one of the few LC mons that even had Hurricane and it had an insane 19 speed" and he just did not believe the last part.

[@mushroomdude123]

I personally hate speed ties and go out of my way to avoid it when team building. It’s also why I sometimes avoid common high tiers. I don’t have to worry about half my team having the exact same speed as the opponent.

[@quiche6400]

I rember in gen 8 lc where every game was lead mienfoo ditto lmao. If you didn't lead mienfoo you were throwing

[@LemonLittleCup]

Yeah it was mienfoo or mienfoo counter leads (of which there were almost none.) My favorite part was how most non mienfoo leads would run protect to prevent sturdy/ sash from being broken.

[@gothified]

love you bro, another great informative video. you genuinely have a great way of presenting the information and you tend to be short and to the point. i never played LC mostly for the reason that i could never really understand the information, how speed tiers work and important defense points for eviolite. really think there was a gap in channels to inform people about these things and im glad you are filling it.

[@_TristanGray]

I love that neilVGC thumbnail bit, love that guy and it really illustrates even at level 50 speed tiers are extremely complex.

[@countdrake4576]

I want to see you use this LC Sun Team in a video, Salandit (M) @ Heat Rock Ability: Corrosion Level: 5 Tera Type: Dark EVs: 64 HP / 28 SpA / 196 SpD / 220 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Sunny Day - Toxic - Taunt - Flamethrower  Bellsprout (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Chlorophyll Level: 5 Tera Type: Fire EVs: 196 SpA / 116 SpD / 196 Spe Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Solar Beam - Sludge Bomb - Weather Ball - Growth  Charmander (M) @ Choice Specs Ability: Solar Power Level: 5 Tera Type: Grass EVs: 44 HP / 12 Def / 196 SpA / 196 SpD / 60 Spe Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Weather Ball - Tera Blast - Dragon Pulse - Fire Blast  Seedot (M) @ Loaded Dice Ability: Chlorophyll Level: 5 Tera Type: Normal EVs: 196 Atk / 116 SpD / 196 Spe Adamant Nature - Bullet Seed - Sucker Punch - Explosion - Growth  Corphish (M) @ Choice Band Ability: Adaptability Level: 5 Tera Type: Fire EVs: 196 Atk / 236 SpD / 76 Spe Adamant Nature - Crabhammer - Tera Blast - Knock Off - Switcheroo  Diglett-Alola (M) @ Heat Rock Ability: Tangling Hair Level: 5 Tera Type: Dark EVs: 236 Atk / 76 SpD / 196 Spe Jolly Nature - Earthquake - Iron Head - Sunny Day - Memento

[@VictorbrineSC]

Unrelated to the video but relating to LC. Knowing that Duraludon is getting an evolution and can thus be eligible for NFE and LC, whay do you think of the impact on the LC meta when Duraludon's legal in the tier for 0.02 seconds?

[@LemonLittleCup]

Weak to fighting, loses to mienfoo, C tier at best

[@TherandomguyhiAlastar]

@@LemonLittleCup Wait, actually? Is it going to be usable?

[@Weavileiscool]

⁠​⁠@@LemonLittleCupit can get around the Mienfoo weakness then it breaks the tier

[@memeyanddreamy2681]

question bc i dont know much abt how pokemon works mechanically, but what would a little cup tier with all level 100 pokemon look like? would it end up lopsided in weird ways? and how would level 50 or level 10 look? I guess this is all to ask if there is any reason little cup is done at lvl 5 other than precedent established by pokemon stadium, curious to hear thoughts on this!

[@LemonLittleCup]

Maybe I'll make a video on this as some point, but long story short it would just make it like every other tier pretty much. The only real difference ( I think) is just less weird damage rolls and stuff like stealth rocks and spikes doing how much damage it's intended to do, without little cup's weird rounding system.

[@rocketmudkip]

​​​@@LemonLittleCup20 or 15 will be original and balanced imo

[@baxterbruce9827]

I always wondered why not level 10, but the meta gets shifted in rather dramatic ways as Pokemon level up, a big thing is that everything gets bulkier on average due to multiple stats going up and affecting ig

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

I remember my first experiences with the tier. I was mostly messing around during my entire time playing Pokémon. I do miss the days of Gen 4 shenanigans even though by the time HG/SS came out I was bored of the format. 😂

[@leaffinite3828]

Im glad someone enjoys lc cuz stuff like this would wear me out

[@yunaka_gaming]

So a question I´ve always had. Why keep all pokemon to level 5 instead of taking them to 50 or 100? Would it even make a difference?

[@deeznoots6241]

It absolutely makes a big difference, massively different damage rolls, bigger movepools, seismic toss/night shade would be far better, berry juice would disappear, etc

[@baxterbruce9827]

The low level creates a fundimentally different metagame because Pokemon gain twice as much defenses stats as they do offense (HP AND applicable defensive stats) meaning everything gets bulkier on average as it levels, it also changes movepools and low numbers make percentile damage less powerful because rounding always refuses to go over in this game, favoring going under

[@LuisSilva-yc5fz]

thematically it wouldn't make sense it's based on Pokémon Stadium 2's little cup, and in gen 2 eggs were hatched at level 5, so they made the rules to make people battle with their baby pokemon in order to showcase the new breeding mechanics sure 22 years later we could think of changing it, but then the metagame wouldn't be that different from the regular tiers

[@Jahim64]

Bro, the guy

[@epicc11]

Thoughts on Monotype LC? It's been getting some room tours in the Monotype OMs room.

[@LemonLittleCup]

Truthfully never tried it, but that sounds cool. I'd love to play it at some point

[@epicc11]

Always stop by the Monotype OM room and then ask for some tours if you ever want to try some rounds. @@LemonLittleCup we also have a slightly different banlist (A few unbans like Hisuian Growlithe). :)

[@TDBii]

Do you think a new item focused exclusively on winning speed ties would a positive, or negative, force on the Little Cup Meta? It would certainly provide some recourse against the games of chance that plague the max 17 speed tier, but I’m not sure if such a thing would become overcentralizing.

[@LemonLittleCup]

Well choice scarf obviously somewhat fixes the issue, but even then there are still some ties among scarf users. If you mean an item that gave like plus 1 or 2 speed, it'd probably be good on sweepers, but eviolite is so good that most items have to be crazy strong to have any reason to ever be ran. It's hard to say but it'd probably be at least pretty good.

[@Altimos]

@@LemonLittleCup I think he means a held item that, while equipped, if you have the exact same speed as the opponent, you go first. Personally I think speed ties should go to the pokemon that has been on the field for longer, so it's no longer a coinflip and can be played around.

[@LemonLittleCup]

@@Altimos Oh okay, well in that case the item would probably be near useless, eviolite would be clear. I'm not sure how to fix speed ties, your idea of the longest mon is interesting, but I feel like that buffs sweepers which are already quite op. Not sure.

[@Altimos]

@LemonLittleCup Eh, it's a nearly non-existent buff for sweepers considering they'd have to match speed with their opponent despite probably having a speed boost from dragon dance or something already. Speed ties are rare, this change would just make them less arbitrary.

[@TDBii]

@@LemonLittleCup yeah, the item wouldn’t give any extra speed, it would just win you tie. @Altimos did a great job of explaining that. I’ve heard a a few variations of this idea, mostly from posts on r/stunfisk, and opinions always just between the item being useless and it absolutely breaking the tier. Either way, I’d love to see a video in which you proposed some new, balanced, items that could challenge the ever-present eviolite.

[@tysondennis1016]

This may be controversial, but I enjoy facing off against stall.

[@LittleUxie]

I suppose it is rather satisfying if you manage to successfully break the stall team down

[@derpidius6306]

@@LittleUxie I'd imagine its like playing a Chess game, especially if its Singles.