Why Marvel Makes Better Movies Than DC

[@marilunabeilschmidt3536]

A wise author once said: "Don't make your characters fit your story. Make your story fit your characters." And I can totally agree with that.

[@vanblitz7009]

That's a great quote, but can you elaborate what that means for the MCU and the DCEU?

[@marilunabeilschmidt3536]

@@vanblitz7009 I think they did great Job with "Black Widow" recently. She is - in my opinion - not the type of Character who is suited for a "traditional" hero story. She is one who holds her feelings to herself, still doing what she thinks is right. And that's what her movie is all about. Well, I think it is, anyway. ^^ In general, in my opinion it is very difficult to make several characters as different as the MCU / DCEU - Heros fit into their own storys as well as into a greater narrative (and Crossovers). All their motivations and goals need to somehow fit into it. I can't really explain that. Maybe when you write a story, decide on the Character's motivations first...? And then think of a story that would develop out of those motivations...? Something like that?

[@vanblitz7009]

@@marilunabeilschmidt3536 oh, ok. Anyways, I wanna know your thoughts, which is better the MCU or the DCEU?

[@marilunabeilschmidt3536]

@@vanblitz7009 In terms of movie-quality, continuity and marketing: The MCU. The DCEU however - and this is solely my own personal opinion - has more interesting and differentiated characters. :) They have so much potential! I really hope they will use it right sometime in the future. Anyway, what do you think? Which do you like better?

[@vanblitz7009]

@@marilunabeilschmidt3536 I respect that. In my opinion, I would choose the MCU because it has really been a big part of my life in this couple of years, it will forever have a special place in my heart. In terms of the actual quality of their movies, they're just better at making us love the characters, they were able to make lesser known characters like the GOTG, Strange, Antman, Wanda etc. so ICONIC while the DCEU is struggling with their famous characters (No hate intended). The fact that they were able to pull this off with different directors is astounding. I love the DCEU too, It surely has its own charm, in fact there are times where I kinda like it more than the MCU, in some aspects. But even with that, The MCU is the far better one for me.

[@piotrd.4850]

In short: DC wanted to catchup with Infinity War without preceeding decade of character development.

[@ferrallezz5246]

Totally agree.

[@solan7978]

Precisely what I've thought.

[@dvaccaro96]

Exactly. One of the dumbest decisions in the history of entertainment

[@alpacawithouthat987]

If they took it slow they could've been sucessful

[@harbymastopia9635]

That's why they will never go beyond animated films. Though their animated films are godlike compared to marvel animated films

[@kimnotloona]

Marvel’s casting team did such an amazing job, they really chose the perfect actor and actress to play their characters

[@suhailmustafa2724]

Thank Sarah Haley Finn for that, at least Marvel division has competent staff..... And then we have Kathleen Kennedy literally burying SW with her "direction". Direction, my ass.

[@princeszdd9828]

nou yeah because when I see a marvel character I feel like even outside of the character the person playing them just fits them

[@Ryan-qo4pv]

No they can cast DC actors and still make great content like Ben Affleck as daredevil

[@malijebtousarah7284]

@kim except captain marvel 😪

[@annika9131]

Except for brie larson

[@ceciladams4882]

DC is rushing. They wanna have that big infinity war or endgame moment without any build up, which just doesn't make sense.

[@qroxxyt9580]

I mean they been doing it before marvel and it looks like marvel catched up and done it well. 👍👏

[@masonscott2168]

RECOVERY🔥🔥💯💯

[@lucyelvis5489]

Aswe now they wanna rush and bring darkseid when we didnt see thanos till 5 yrs

[@irrelevanttroll3312]

@@lucyelvis5489 well atleast better than wheadon's sh*t movie but i don't darkseid is coming fast

[@carterego5443]

Exactly...

[@rafaelv3118]

DC has some of the most iconic characters off all time and the fact that Rocket Raccoon and Groot are household names now and not Batman or Superman is a testament to Marvel's hard work and DC's failure

[@dmat606]

Lightsaber I mean Batman and Superman are still household names though. But I agree marvel has created a movie empire from basically nothing.

[@Suztvfan]

Yeah, when people are more excited for a movie with a tree that just says: I am Groot then a Batman movie, you know that something has gone wrong. Marvel had the necessity to make good movies because the characters weren't well known, they couldn't just go off name recognition, they sold all their best-known characters. So the movie had to be good to get the audience invested. DC has the most famous characters of them all, they know that at least a certain amount will go to the movies to see those characters on screen. They are focussing less on making a good movie and just on getting money. Both companies want more money but since Marvel had no big names in their arsenal, they had to make good movies to get audiences interested.

[@dmat606]

James Howlett no arguing that. But toys are cool.

[@chrislane3091]

Batman and Superman are still household names calm down

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Lightsaber As the current meme goes, "Kevin Feige built this in a cave! With a box of scraps!" "I'm sorry. I'm not Kevin Feige."

[@nickjones9291]

Think Deadpool said it best, "Soo dark, you must be from the DC universe"

[@madnomad3861]

And DC's "darkness" just beat his ass in R rated department without making any jokes about marvel in their movie

[@小林四郎-z5l]

supermfg this is really the only thing that yall can be proud of in the dceu.

[@madnomad3861]

@@小林四郎-z5l that's not all.. Joker got 11 noms for Oscars, how many did MCU get?

[@brookebary7872]

superbman avengers endgame is the highest in the box office now. More than avatar. What did dc do? Oh wait... Shit movies. U guys only have like 2 movies to show off with, we have 23. So stfu. Marvel Always!

[@edenli6421]

superbman joker is not in the dceu

[@ezekiel2621]

MARVEL: 11 years of build up... now, Avengers Assemble! DC: shutup and assemble NOW

[@theshadow5352]

DC shits on marvel. Let me know when marvel tops TDK

[@ezekiel2621]

The Shadow DC can’t shit on Marvel if they continuously get shit on by RT

[@maddixpelletier2629]

Shadow, please stop, dceu movies suck, except the Dark knight trilogy, kind of more, but marvel is better now, since the trilogy ended, so after art, came crap.

[@suarezguy]

Actually the Avengers assembled 4 years after the series started, the Justice League 4 years after the series started.

[@gonk4509]

Maddix Pelletier The Dark Knight isn’t DCEU. It’s just DC. It isn’t from their cinematic universe.

[@NekoPanda122]

So in short, MCU is loved because the movies feels like a real series where we can watch the characters grew and develop, while in DCEU the movies don't really feel like a series because the character's growth and development are all over the place and messy because the characters serves the plot

[@kakealldewae2390]

Lol fr I didn’t even know a dceu existed I thought they were all individual movies

[@r_brucewayne3888]

Bruh what r u talking about the dceu story just started its like saying the marvel universe is bad when the first avengers just came out

[@rajvi2082]

@@r_brucewayne3888 how did dceu just start? both of them started and have been here for a long time . Avengers did well lol

[@r_brucewayne3888]

@@rajvi2082 avengers did well for its time and im not saying dceu makes great movies im just saying give them some time to pull all the movies they made together

[@orkaydk9430]

@@r_brucewayne3888 we've given them a LOT of time

[@narwolf1899]

You missed the fact that Thor goes from having no personality and speaking like Shakespeare to having a personality and speaking not like Shakespeare, but I don't mind because Thor Ragnarok was the soft reboot the Thor trilogy needed.

[@8bitadamantium306]

Narwolf in infinity war they fix that because they show that he uses comedy as a coping mechanism after what has happened and you may say that he hasn't lost anything by the start of ragnorok, but he did see in his dream that was basically a prophecy his whole kingdom being destroyed

[@howan2508]

Thor looks much depressed in the new endgame trailer

[@GlacialScion]

@@8bitadamantium306 His mother was stabbed to death, his brother is a mass murderer, and he just broke up with the only love interest he's ever shown to have. And that was before all the bad stuff happened.

[@user-lw3rw4ol7n]

His quest for infinity stones from age of ultron lasted 4 years. He didnt settled in a place,keep on travelled but found nothing. Its enought to change him

[@cyclone313]

To be fair, the Shakespearean talk is really only a Whedon thing. He doesn't really talk like that in his own films.

[@KimM13744]

I wouldn’t say Tony Stark retires in Iron Man 3. I saw the ending as him no longer defining himself as being Iron Man that was why he had the metal removed from his chest, why we don’t see him flying around in the suit for fun anymore and why he designed an Iron Spider suit for Peter Parker and a suit for Pepper. He decided that whilst he IS Iron Man, Iron Man is not all HE is.

[@_mylo_xyloto_1816]

This comment finally answers the question, does the man make the suit? Or does the suit make the man?

[@teethejedi3960]

“We create our own demons” was kind of like a foreshadowing to Age of Ultron, so I agree.

[@_mylo_xyloto_1816]

@@michaelwomack5769 uhm... What? Batman is ab a dude who's parents die and he gets revenge years later. Iron Man is ab a dude who is kidnapped, tortured and makes an iron suit to fight bad guys

[@michaelwomack5769]

@@_mylo_xyloto_1816 They both don’t have powers. They both are super smart. They both are rich. They both fight bad guys. They both use tech to fight crime and build suits. They even both have butlers as a main character “Alfred” for Batman, and “Jarvis” for iron man(you probably wouldn’t know Jarvis was a butler bc you don’t read the comics)

[@_mylo_xyloto_1816]

@@michaelwomack5769 Jarvis was Howard's personal butler, not Tony's. Also, what the fuck does reading the comics have to do with anything?

[@raisinbran1421]

Also because Thor’s eyebrows become more visible each movie it has better progression than DC’s movies

[@M.K.Dutch25]

@@sifprx well it's just he was wearing a wig at most and when they cut his hair in ragnarok he got to use his natural hair wich is that color so yeah

[@zeenzones6928]

Did they dye thor's hair (not chris)? Cause i thought thor is a natual blonde

[@M.K.Dutch25]

@@zeenzones6928 no was just a wig transfered over to his real hair in ragnarok

[@helenaperez4343]

(Muhd Hasif) I think at his roots, Thor’s hair is brown, but it turns blond.

[@deccs6548]

@@M.K.Dutch25 *which

[@Drave_Jr.]

Another great character example is Wanda in Civil War. At the beginning, she is responsible for the Wakandans' death. Wanda was also manipulated by Ultron, so she wants to act on her own choices. So when the Accords come up, it's a battle between guilt and autonomy. Vision represents the guilt, and Clint represents autonomy, as Clint is the inspiration in a sense for Wanda to be a hero. Vision using the guilt to manipulate her pushes her to choose autonomy.

[@KolorMeyellow]

Vanished Captain America: I can do this all day Future Captain America: I know

[@ghazapanca5002]

Character development in a nutshell

[@tellmesomething2412]

Well, it established consistency. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@kamalmanzukie]

company payment caught up I just believe it still a good business

[@yoqueen9366]

Honestly if DC took their time and slowly developed their stories, then it would have been so much better then rushing to catch up with another franchise.

[@strawberrypeppermint4185]

Well half of the dceu sucks tho im a dc fan i like comics better then the movies i also respect marvel for all their work into their movies so yeah

[@swift_lordyt6865]

@@strawberrypeppermint4185 yeah but DC multiverse movies (except the DCEU ones) are all pretty good

[@strawberrypeppermint4185]

@@swift_lordyt6865 yeah i also think the aroowverse stories are good (exept for batwoman) and i know their shows but i agree if dc took slow like what they do with their comics the dceu woul of been like the mcu so yeah

[@balmain-i3e]

Ayo, I'm a Marvel fan but have you niggas forgotten TDK Trilogy? JOKER? DC is capable of putting true substance in their films when they want to cuz both those examples I mentioned are HEAVILY praised and put in high regard.

[@thebcwonder4850]

@@balmain-i3e DC's movies are at their best when they're not trying to make a DCEU

[@derrekdevon2366]

When you know DC has truly failed is when black widows death has more of an impact than supermans death

[@derrekdevon2366]

@T P it's truly depressing

[@bad6835]

Natasha's death pissed me off tbh it was stupid how she died just for the soul stone. And they only acknowledged it briefly afterwards. Her death had no lasting impact even on banner, who could have gone into a mini hulk rage, but in the end it felt very unnecessary and overshadowed by the deaths of Tony and figuratively Cap. Infinity Wars deaths were much better handled.

[@codez857]

@@bad6835 she did it because she thought she had never done anything right in her life.. in ultron, she felt as if she pushed bruce banner away, and also her time in the red room as a murderer made her feel so

[@mitchcute007]

@@bad6835 because there will be another movie just for her. That's marvel's ultimate tribute to the Black Widow

[@randomfza]

Lol no one really cared about superman's death because it was obvious he was going to come back.

[@dankanator2751]

Main villian in MCU: Thanos Main villian in DCEU: WB

[@Never_GamePlayZ]

Omg 😂 😂 😂

[@andrewwong2399]

nah it's rotten tomatoes

[@ashoneth]

@@andrewwong2399 they're not the ones writing the story

[@andrewwong2399]

@@ashoneth as opposed to wb?

[@gunturalam7643]

Marvel builds up characters and assemble it but DC build assembly instantly

[@sundravigneshwarp3187]

They don't even have a theme music as cool as avengers

[@gj7349]

@@sundravigneshwarp3187 or gotg If u don't know what dat means its guardians of the galaxy

[@clevernickname3396]

Marvel just makes kiddy humor instead of character development. They only try to put character development in the very end of their stories right before the big fight. That’s why everyone criticizes marvel villians, because they are generic and barely cause any trauma to the hero. Look at the dark knights joker or Aries from Wonder Woman. They drive the protagonist insane. Marvel movies just replace that with kid friendly content. That’s why last years joker (with adult content) got better reviews, Oscar nominations, and made more money than endgame. I’m not even a DC fan but marvel movies just bore me to the point where I’m ranting on a KZbin video.

[@galaxymoonlqght3732]

@@clevernickname3396 marvel is better then DC

[@clevernickname3396]

Then why can they only succeed DC in movies?

[@bhavikparekh141]

Marvel made their unknown characters ICONIC DC made their ICONIC characters shit themselves

[@hardyqadir8772]

Bhavik Parekh I completely agree

[@starbustergaming5651]

Yeah

[@小林四郎-z5l]

Exactly

[@explosivenebraska1696]

That's only in the live action shows. In the comics and animated shows they're awesome.

[@SebTheFatCat]

@@explosivenebraska1696 to be fair i'm pretty sure that the live action stuff is what they are comparing

[@marspacebun]

Easy answer: People connect to Marvel's characters more. They apply their beliefs and values to real life situations. They feel close to them. Which makes them want to see more.

[@SuCKeRPunCH187]

easier answer, Zack Snyder is no where near as talented enough to direct then some of the people marvel is getting.

[@dragonslayergod]

Batman and Superman are both relatable just not in the film

[@mitxunjumaboev5454]

It's because DC movies feels like child cartoons. Scripts are too simple and meaningless. They need a good writer as well as patience. DC tried to create its Infinity war movie while marvel prepared its actors and actresses for over 10 years. That's why each of Marvel heroes has their fans. Additionally, DC has no balance the justice league could not able to defeat Steppenwolf whereas Supermen ended him in seconds. It's actually meaningless and boring. Marvel characters strong in comics but in movies they are made way more weaker than they are in comics and it really helps to create entertaining movies. Meanwhile DC movies uses their characters with their full potential and it feels like too much and make that movie more cartoonish.

[@GauravYadav-bf7qj]

@@mitxunjumaboev5454 TBH dceu is way more realistic than mcu would ever be.

[@nalfy6046]

@@GauravYadav-bf7qj says superman whose weakness is a green rock

[@vikrambansal1416]

It's actually quite straightforward: Marvel Studios sees their movies as more than just a cash grab WB doesn't

[@fikrijuanda6321]

And WB weren't afraid hurting its toys merchandise when making Joker film

[@Mulukan57]

Funny how this completely the opposite after Black Widow comes out. Coming from Marvel fans

[@vikrambansal1416]

@@Mulukan57 black widow wasn’t bad tf? They gave her a solid send off cuz SJ is done w widow

[@Mulukan57]

@@vikrambansal1416 I didn't say that. Review said that and a lot from Marvel fans

[@vikrambansal1416]

@@Mulukan57 I thought it was solid… I just didn’t like how it wasn’t an origin story but it was still really fun

[@michaelhenry3234]

It also helps that Marvel took their time and have building this shit up for 10 years instead of hopping on the bandwagon and trying to push out an "avengers" movie as quickly as possible.

[@oculusvision558]

Yeah, agree. As I understood, TJL had to be something similar to the first Avengers movie, where all the heroes meet each other for the first time. We already know their stories, predict reactions, but in TJL we have 2 known characters, then 2 appears from nowhere (and still till the end of the movie we have no clue what the hell they are doing there) and 1 is suddenly revived. There's no plot consistency, so no wonder TJL had such a poor performance. They should've introduced the Flash and Aqua man in 2 separate movies, the intersection of the team in an attempt to revive Superman, and only at the end of the 3rd movie, give a hint to TJL. Then it would be much consistent, and the plot wouldn't be like a roller coaster. But they decided to skip that and put 4 movie plots into 1.

[@battlestardesigns]

no, that doesn't help. not even one fucking bit

[@keithcraig506]

The key is that the 3 main characters in the Avengers, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America had already had their introduction movies. In those introductions most, if not all, of the secondary characters (Black Widow, Hawkeye, Fury, etc) had been introduced too. Even Spiderman had his own movie before they dragged him into the larger group. Doctor Strange, Ant Man and The Guardians also had their own movies before they were brought into the extended universe. On the other hand, with DC, we had two characters with any kind of cinematic history by the time they did their super group movie, Superman and Wonder Woman. The current iteration of Batman hasn't had his own movie yet and the other three, Flash, Cyborg and Aqua Man, were brought in cold. While all these characters are familiar to almost everyone, in some way or another, we weren't familiar with their cinematic versions. In short, DC is doing everything ass backwards. Marvel introduces their characters, let's them than have their own spotlight for 1 or 2 movies and THEN brings them into the group. Dc did the exact opposite. With the exception of the first Superman movies, it was "Throw them in a group, we'll sort them out later".

[@jonathanrobles9422]

@@battlestardesigns Sad Dceu fanboy...

[@battlestardesigns]

@@jonathanrobles9422 i own more marvel comics than dc

[@purelife9013]

“Infinity wars will be one of the highest grossing films of all time” Laughs in ENDGAME

[@zimthecat10404]

Yes but Infnity war better than endgame)

[@zimthecat10404]

@AbdulAzeem Shaikh ok

[@hermioneblyth7890]

@@zimthecat10404 definitely endgame is great but it has a few rushed bits compared to infinity war

[@zimthecat10404]

@@hermioneblyth7890 I know lol

[@JaySewani]

@@zimthecat10404 I don't say that when I watch infinity war I watch end game too so for me that's a one movie

[@ekud4831]

DC has POPULAR characters. People know their names and backstory. That’s it. Marvel made their characters iconic. People know their whole personality and connect to them

[@dr.puggles3610]

“Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.”

[@ekud4831]

@@dr.puggles3610 keep being pressed

[@dr.puggles3610]

@@ekud4831 That makes no sense whatsoever. Plus you only said that people only know their names and backstory because you clearly don’t know anything about DC characters and their fans.

[@ekud4831]

@@dr.puggles3610 DC movies have so much more potential with iconic characters, but the movies don’t really represent the potential of the comics ... that’s the thing and if you disagree, that’s on you

[@dr.puggles3610]

@@ekud4831 Typical. You just bring up the movies and completely disregard everything else. Everyone always says DC is lame just because of their movies. There’s other things to like comic books, Animated movies, Tv shows, and video games.

[@Miunim]

My personal reason is because Marvels characters are consistent and whenever I watch a DC movie it feels wierd seeing different actors for the same character in every other DC movie

[@jeslynbong1963]

DC movies are to dark I mean literally the lighting is to dark i hardly can see anything

[@optimusprime8609]

Lol it's like an edgelord trying to draw peace

[@marrymejisoo3413]

OMG 😂

[@ok.4720]

@@NebMunb Not funny

[@sebinara6290]

I like the dark themes

[@mushroomlad6233]

Suicide Squad's color palette is absolute garbage, it's like trying to watch a movie through dirty toilet water.

[@LilyGrace95]

At the end of the day, Marvel made movies because they wanted to reach a wider audience and bring their characters to life, so sat down and made a ten year plan that introduced every character before they interacted, or gave you enough on them that you cared about their storyline (even Vision had a bit of an established character as Jarvis). DC on the other hand tried to cash in on the superhero craze in the same way, but instead of thinking it through or letting us get to know the characters, they released them all in quick succession, and only gave us two films of the five focusing on one hero. TLDR; there's a VERY clear difference in how much each company actually cares about the films they're making.

[@richardparker9186]

Just like to point out that Tony Stark never retired, the line where he “retires” is him saying that he doesn’t need his suits to be a hero, which was a recurring theme throughout the film

[@jerilynbridges1740]

Richard Parker and he admits that he can not retire! Tahiti’s why Civil War is so deep!

[@thefowles1]

He doesn't retire at all. He activated the "clean slate protocol". Clean slate means starting fresh.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

He DEAD. god forbid Riri Williams takes up the mantle. Rest assured he'll be back right around the time Capt Marvel-Spider-Man bombs.

[@pranavyedlapalli2127]

The problem I have with dc is that it's always Batman, superman or wonder woman. They are reluctant to make movies on their lesser known characters. One exception is Aquaman, not the best of superhero movies, but I liked it because we got to see more of Aquaman. They should stop making damn Batman movies. We had like 8 already.

[@vanblitz7009]

Yeah so true. DC only made movies for characters like Aquaman, Shazam, Harley Quinn(Birds of Prey) because they saw the MCU doing wonderous things with lesser known characters like Wanda, Vision, Falcon, the Guardians, Antman and so much more. Now Characters like Black Adam and the Flash movie are coming, this would have never been possible without the MCU

[@velocilevon]

Totally agree. It's not even the problem for the movies only, they have (kinda) the same issue with the animated universe. Teen Titans' members alone deserve animated moveis of their own. Starfire, Beast Boy, Cyborg, Raven, Blue Beatle, Terra could also be there. I really like Batman, but that doesn't mean I want to watch over 50 movies about him, lmao.

[@mr.knight1817]

Fr bruh Im not even a dc fan but I feel like they have more interesting characters than marvel they kust don't use it

[@nanand.r]

the last time we got batman movies were nolan trilogy lol. and honestly, batman has a really big world and characters to explore (robin, rest of the batfamily, alot of other villains) but wb just keep focusing on bruce's parents death, origins, joker over and over again. it could've been fine if they did that once, and THEN explore more characters later in the sequel. but no.. batman just keep getting a new reboot

[@fluffynator6222]

But Batman is actually genuinely good...

[@connerw98]

Tony doesn't retire in iron man 3 just gives up his obsession of building suits to deal with his ptsd.

[@IMPULSEGaming1]

Yeah, he blew up the suits to show Pepper he wouldn't just obsess over making new suits every day. He literally says he isn't going to retire in the end of the movie. "You can take away my house, all my tricks and toys. One thing you can't take, I am Iron Man."

[@lewisdavidson571]

Conner Wiltshire yeah.....then he makes a bunch of suits for every film after....

[@LEGOMotionStudios]

Kira The Renegade Uhhh no. He makes 4 suits. One being to contain the hulk, and the other for emergencies. He doesn’t build another literal 50 suits like he did in iron man 3

[@PWNDpresents]

Conner Wiltshire And even if he did retire, it wouldn't be a flaw of Iron man 3, it would be a flaw of Avengers 2.

[@flameconvoy7424]

Conner Wiltshire agreed, in civil war he says “I didn’t stop because I don’t want to stop”. He didn’t want to stop being iron man, so he didn’t

[@akmal94ibrahim]

DC rushed it, plain and simple. They should've played the long game and build each characters up instead of skipping everything and immediately kill Superman just to catch up with Marvel.

[@Spr33h0x]

@King Nereus unlike my dong

[@josh4lyfe134]

Akmal Ibrahim why does everybody keep sayin this no hate towards marvel movies they are fantastic! But D.C. Hasn't made 21 movies yet 😂 give them time. They could surprise you

[@Spr33h0x]

@@josh4lyfe134 marvel made a masterpiece as their first. DC made trash. Their first team up was amazing. DC made trash. The first marvel movies were better than the first DC movies

[@Spr33h0x]

@King Nereus i mean DCEU...

[@Spr33h0x]

@King Nereus then why were you talking about older movies

[@general8157]

Captain America: I can do this all day Dr.Strange: I can do this all eternity

[@Dirtcake1]

😂😂😂😂

[@darthcheese_9645]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnjohnrice585]

Dormamu: “nooooo, not again!!”

[@radenmassaidbaariq5797]

LOL(っ´▽`)っ

[@GOF-pk9mg]

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[@tinyrobot7443]

"Marvel rarely make a character make a decision when it is not consistent with the characer they have built up in prior movies" Oh boy that line didn't age well

[@shiwoshiwoismyactualname]

For all the flaws of the mcu, this isn't one of them. (Except thor 4)

[@kiillabytez]

Yeah, we're looking at you, Mark Ruffalo.

[@americanenigma_5108]

DC failed coz they were lazy to develop their universe properly - ITS LIKE THEY HAD NO PLAN BUT DUE TO MARVEL AVENGERS THEY RUSHED TO MAKE JUSTICE LEAGUE AS PRESSURE - and that’s why they couldn’t develop each character movie universe properly - the union of the heroes felt forced All marvel movies and their characters story arcs allign perfectly with all previous movies etc - ITS A SMOOTH JOURNEY AND THEY HAD A VISION IN BEGINNING TO DEVELOP A WHOLE UNIVERSE - and it took time but they created a universe slowly and steady and finally things moved naturally to have the AVENGERS ASSEMBLED - IT DIDNT FELT FORCED , INSTEAD THE FANS WANTED TO SEE THEM ALL TOGETHER AND IT FELT LIKE THTE NEXT STEP

[@princeszdd9828]

American Enigma _ yeah I remember I watched cap civil war and they had scenes that related to black panther and far from home it’s like they plan ahead and carefully to make sure the universe fits perfectly

[@carson11100]

True that. It’s sad that they weren’t smarter at DC.......

[@truechaos6927]

thats what i have said ever since i heard that DC was going to make an expanded universe, i knew Warner Bros would rush everything to try to catch up to Marvel

[@TheAnisrockstar]

their movies felt hollow attempts , their was no passion in it , they were just rushing to catch up to MCU'S success , that rush made them careless about how the movies are really , they had hype and world famous characters from half a century like SUPERMAN & BATMAN . But the movies ,story , plot , dialogues everything was dull and hollow, and snyders filter made it look more dull less in impact . snyder and WB interference made it look really bad .

[@alexlafferty7728]

カエルコウモリ sorry stat fanboy

[@rvndezv0us112]

Marvel is just great. I mean, they made solo movies and other movies connect to one. Like damn, that's smart. Edit :: to everyone saying that it isn't smart. All I'm saying is that Harry Potter might be interconnected since it is a SERIES or that blah blah blah and shit. My point was most people expected Marvel to go down in ashes since they hired RDJ out of all people, and not many people expected a post credit scene. The 10 year buildup was a smart move even before Disney. They didn't rush it unlike the DCEU.

[@StefunnyStrange]

LA X NYC DC tried to mimic that and failed miserably. Which is a shame because I love Batman and Wonder Woman.

[@Shayla270]

A lot of movies have done that plus Disney helps a lot

[@shivampathak152]

Shayla Ruiz not really iron man in the best mcu movie and that was b4 Disney

[@shobharasquinha2464]

@King Nereus It is smart when so many movies are involved. Every movie lead upto infinity war, and as a result, IW was almost 10 years in the making

[@goldenhd9656]

True

[@plasmaballin]

When I saw BvS, the biggest problem I saw with it was that they were trying to do what Marvel did with the Avengers, but without any of the buildup. Marvel did solo movies with their characters before doing the Avengers so that we would already care about the characters going into the film, but I wasn't really invested in the DC characters. The movie also seemed like it only existed to set up for future movies, which detracted from its quality. It's okay to set up for future films in your movie, but you also have to make sure that the movie is good on its own.

[@gaypornstar4872]

Joseph Noonan BvS in a nutshell Martha.., Martha? Martha! Martha.....

[@ucopsup5134]

Agree

[@norman5927]

Yup, Marvel laid a lot of groundwork before bringing the team together.

[@The80sWolf_]

MoS, BvS are two build up movies, and JL was supposed to be 2 parts. If DC did the SAME as Marvel they would be bashed because they are copying, now they are bashed when they are not doing the same.

[@makslokilas8139]

The 80's Wolf, I think they would rather be respected if they do that.

[@chosenone182]

Man... The transition is too good. I mean the way they introduced Kang is amazing and at the perfect time, the multiverse, and the consequences of time travel. Marvel pays way too much detail such as in Antman 2 during the quantum realm there had been a city similar to chronoplis (Kangs city) later the directors revealed that to be a future marvel project. Loki has opened up the multiverse and I can;t wait to see other Marvel storylines and charachters!!!

[@Connerthespider]

I can't wait to see doctor strange deal with his new problems Wanda, Mordo from doctor strange, the multiverse, and Spiderman getting chased by the cops now I know I was right about that

[@lucyelvis5489]

Is there antman 2

[@Connerthespider]

@@lucyelvis5489 antman and the wasp

[@baron2062]

@@Connerthespider admitedly not one of their better movies but its shocking how organized and clearly in tune with eachother the MCU's directors were

[@Connerthespider]

@@baron2062 true

[@ashes2918]

Marvel will always be a success because their planning is amazing. They don't always focus the spotlight their main characters but they let their minor characters shine take an example with WANDA VISION with characters like Darcy. we also have Pepper Pots, the Shield agents, Happy etc

[@michaelwomack5769]

Name one character from Marvel and it was probably copied from DC. And it was cool that they planned it all out, but I don't think it should be the standard that every movie needs 15 years of planning.

[@ibtastico]

@@michaelwomack5769 Spiderman, Iron-man, ghost rider, the wasp, captain America, hulk, Thor. And don't even get me started on the villains that are pitched against these characters

[@michaelwomack5769]

@@meene292 Marvel is for little kids bro, they have boring heroes with trash movies. Every person I know that likes marvel is 11, they can make a half ass movie outside the MCU, and even then MCU is childish and for kids

[@JaySewani]

@@michaelwomack5769 you want dark marvel watch daredevil, punisher

[@Joe-gu8hg]

@@meene292 I read this as "dc fans are testicles" lmfaooooo

[@silverkaede]

Summarized in two words: *character development.*

[@chameleonhasabaduploadsche328]

Kaederis I’ve agreed with this opinion ALL MY LIFE ITS SO CORRECT AND COULDNT BE MORE CORRECT

[@alphagamer9505]

all summarized in two words: kevin feige

[@alphagamer9505]

@@diaachria2882 they make justice league when only half the team had apperead

[@orian8837]

Summarized in five words: Both of them aren’t good.

[@michaelwomack5769]

You dont need 20 years of character development to make a good film

[@otismode4391]

The only thing dc doesn’t know is Patience is the key to success

[@rorschachdaws7505]

Marvel is for kids that's why they're so popular.

[@zerozone5848]

Rorschach nah thats where youre wrong , marvel's targeted audience might be young children but theres a shit ton of older viewers that adore marvel , so youre wrong :)

[@IndecisiveJR]

Rorschach So why is Dark Knight still considered one of the the best if not the best comic book movie of all time? And Logan the only marvel film people wanted to get an Oscar?

[@muskx7868]

Rorschach nah, have you seen how many little kids fanboy/fangirl over Batman and Superman?

[@muffetmissulena6540]

@Muskx, The 80s Wolf that keeps appearing in this comment section is the perfect example of a little kid that’s fanboying over BvS.

[@darkseidwavyy]

Live Action: Marvel Animation: DC Comics: Both End Of Discussion.

[@shazam2044]

I’d give the edge on comics to DC but I respect your opinion.

[@thomyorkesrighteye]

@@shazam2044 Same. They were also the dogs when it came to comics. But they aren't as relevant anymore. Comics don't have as big of a market so they have to adapt.

[@abiyyudzaky7738]

Agreed

[@darkseidwavyy]

@@shazam2044 Comics are a tie, both have great stories. I will admit the newer Marvel comics are a bit mediocre but look back at the ones from the 2000s, 90s, 80s, 70s, and 60s. Watchmen and TDKR are definitely better then anything Marvel has written.

[@shazam2044]

@@darkseidwavyy I like both comic companies. I’m just saying that DC has *slightly* better comics

[@kindraskorner9252]

Marvel links all their storylines which keeps you involved and as a fan watching Endgame you feel good connecting the dots. Marvel is also very funny sometimes which makes it more enjoyable to watch. Also the characters are given an opportunity to voice their ideas and that gives sometimes a more realistic feel for the people watching to not cringe at how forced things are

[@shawn1799]

See, look. If Spiderman turned to dust in Infinity War, how the hell is he still living in "Far from Home."

[@kindraskorner9252]

@@shawn1799 have you watched Endgame? Cause if you have I think you need to watch it again.

[@radicalonion4979]

@@shawn1799 🅱️ r u h

[@jaesukpogi]

Jay boi watch endgame 💀

[@asmerX100]

@@jaesukpogi forget watching endgame...has he ever seen the second trailer?

[@rachela2659]

Haha remember when life used to be "don't spoil infinitywar/endgame for me or i will actually strangle you" DC can only dream of that kind of reaction to a movie.

[@annaclarke3737]

I went to school the day after endgame came out and I wore earphones all day Bc people we about to spoil the movie

[@masteryi5116]

Some asshole from my school spoiled me that iron man and black widow die

[@annaclarke3737]

@@masteryi5116 that sucks someone tries to as well but I just put in my earphones fast

[@rachela2659]

@@masteryi5116 oof that sucksss. I was lucky I worked at a movie theater so I ended up watching it pretty early

[@masteryi5116]

@@rachela2659 nice im very exited for the next marvel movies like x men and fsntastic 4 marvel got them back

[@jamesburgess2k]

I'll say, I call them Steve, Tony, Scarlet, Thor, and Rhodey. But I call dceu characters batman, flash, superman, with exception to Diana. The only time I've ever did that with superheroes, was the x men movie. Even though the title is the name of the alter ego, no one's a superhero all the time. If you can't make the rest of the time outside the costume interesting, then it's bound to fail.

[@j-saaan]

10,000 Subscribers without Videos damn, you're good.

[@aaronkaminski9357]

I'm 899th.

[@KillerWailz]

This is somewhat similar to the reason I've always liked Marvel over DC. The philosophies of the way the two companies go about their superheroes is different. Marvel has characters that are relatable, no matter who you are there is a Marvel character you'd be able to relate to. DC has characters that you can look up to, to inspire you, for you to want to be like them. There's a good number of people who don't like Marvel's approach to it because they say they don't want to go to a movie or read a comic to see themselves. So it is just a matter of preference. But it's quite the opposite for me. Peter Parker struggles to be Spider-Man, Batman is Batman everywhere he goes, he uses his identity of Bruce Wayne to make new tech/plans for Batman. Thats the difference between Marvel & DC

[@Blckztr]

Black widow real name is natasha, not scarlet

[@otbaht]

saitama is a hero all the time. shopping at the store in full costume and all.

[@TheFrodoBaggins33]

Honestly, the "I can do this all day line" went over my head so hard in civil war, I wish I picked up on that on my own. What a brilliant writing choice

[@KayKay-cu6xg]

This is so true. I really wanted to see avengers infinity war because I wanted to see the characters interact with each other

[@irllcd13]

It's weird that Infinity War tries to be an action movie with some comedy, ends up nailing both and also being dark and gritty even though that wasn't really the intent. Without even trying it does all DC had going for it better than DC, in addition to good action, solid characters, a good story and some genuinely funny comedy.

[@MisterHeroman]

@@irllcd13 IW and the Ant-Mans are the only ones to do comedy correctly.

[@Horny_Fruit_Flies]

@@MisterHeroman What about Guardians of the Galaxy.

[@rockzs74r]

One word actually for me. Patience. MCU give one movie just to introduce a supporting character. DCEU is all rushed and a mesh.

[@1skylax11]

I'll take a mesh over release one origin film after the other in half a dozen months.

[@ash_5644]

1skylax11 Id rather have 12+ great movies in 10 years over 4 meh movies in 3 years

[@ash_5644]

lairdriver It’s not a matter of release pace being rushed. It’s the character development and the stories that are rushed

[@Starfire_Storm]

lairdriver Yeah, but what are the first 5 Marvel movies? Yes they are 1.- Iron Man 2.- The Incredible Hulk 3.- Iron Man 2 4.- Captain America 5.- Thor And what are DC's first 5 movies? 1.- Man of Steel 2.- Batman Vs. Superman 3.- Suicide Squad 4.- Wonder Woman 5.- Justice League Do you see the problem here or you still don't see it? They just mashed characters in that you don't know anything about in Justice League, the only character you don't know anything about in Avengers 1 is Hawkeye, the rest appeared in their own movie or were a supporting character in a film (Black Widow in Iron Man 2). You don't see absolutely nothing about Aquaman, Flash or Cyborg until Justice League apart from a cameo in BvS. DC's universe is rushed, accept it.

[@BornInsane0]

@@Starfire_Storm even Hawkeye appeared in Thor

[@Berlinguer_bornagain]

Marvel is able to make a tree a more interesting character then superman in the DCEU. That is just sad.

[@BenjaminBBall]

I can’t tell if you’re making a joke about the “Tree” part or you’re just talking about Groot lol

[@eraniogem22]

To be fair, i think that making superman interesting is quite difficult specially today

[@LionKing-ui9po]

@@eraniogem22 One way I can think of... is if someway he loses his power for almost an entire movie and learns from it. Then eventually getting it back.

[@thvf2381]

@@BenjaminBBall i'm sure it's groot he's adorable

[@LionKing-ui9po]

@@Gundam79 Oh in that case, I never watched jt

[@Dark-ki7lf]

Marvel's casting is spot on. RDJ as iron man, Scarlett as Black widow, Hemsworth for Thor and Tom Hiddleston for Loki are irreplaceable. DC... Meh,

[@789blablajaja]

I actually think the DC casting is pretty good as well. Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Women, Shazam, and even Flash were all great. Theres little to none chemistry between the actors though, except for what little we got between Wonder Women and Batman. DC movies just suck because the characters aren't developed at all. And also because the Plot is often really bad.

[@imeisgrapes627]

@@789blablajaja characters aren't developed at all?😂 From which movie did you find that they r not developed pls tell me

[@chriswentz5197]

@@imeisgrapes627 just look how many movies there are in the dceu,Then tell me

[@-BeatsKids]

To be fair dc has a lot of perfect casting but they are just given shitty material.

[@Dark-ki7lf]

@@-BeatsKids Gal Gadot as WW? Batfleck? Ray Fisher? I get it that Cavill is good. Margot Robbie too is great. They don't own their characters the way MCU ones does. There was hardly any chemistry between any of those characters in JL or BvS

[@saadatkamal8110]

The DCEU is like a high-schooler assigned to write a thousand word essay: their only goal is to reach a thousand words; it doesn't matter to them what those 1000 words actually contain.

[@iikaedenii]

THIS

[@ZenoDLC]

Just shows why target word number assignment is just garbage, and it makes one too

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

Please see JOKER. Will change the entire game. Deadpool and Venom are the true future of Marvel. They have too many politics going too many different directions. They are oversaturated, and thats why they keep coming with endless rumors of casting for Phase 5 and almost ZERO anticipation for Eternals. James Gunn is very smart to stay with DC and produce for DC Black Label.

[@iikaedenii]

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 zero anticipation for eternals? Are you for real? I personally am not that excited for it but the news around always trends. The joker is a tried and tested formula so i have no doubt it'll be great but that doesn't make it that big of an achievement when the joker is the one character like batman which they keep doing again and again And the mcu is just starting to listen to other criticisms such as not being risky and now all the new projects they've announced are risky in some way or another You can be a dc fanboi all you want but you can't just make stuff up for an argument

[@glorious7945]

SuperOmnicron Joker wasn’t that good. It was a good movie about mental health but a bad joker movie.

[@nathanieltheoneandonly5933]

Simple answer: Marvel has fun with their movies while DC tries too hard to be dark and serious *EDIT:* It's so good to see DC learn from their mistakes with Shazam!, Aquaman, Joker, and The Batman

[@hailpickens2454]

Nathaniel R. Solis That doesn’t even fucking matter look at Joker highest grossing R rated movie of all time.

[@eliasbairamis6069]

last year DC's film wasn't actually serious

[@GauravYadav-bf7qj]

@@eliasbairamis6069 see the above comment.

[@Jesus-wp7dg]

Hail Pickens 24 I’m pretty sure the original comment was comparing the mcu to the dceu. The jokes in the mcu feel natural while the dceu’s just feel forced and just out of place.

[@hailpickens2454]

The Shinoobi If you are talking about justice league or suicide squad then sure

[@teuntje2863]

In my opinion, Marvel movies are better because they don't take themselves too seriously all the time. DC is always soooo heavy and dark. Infinity War's ending was devastating, but the movie overall was brilliantly funny too.

[@mnbvmnbv7934]

T Gev aquaman wasn’t dark and Shazam is looking to be as light as GOTG

[@rcordh5657]

@@mnbvmnbv7934 they did after their last dark movie like BvS and JL are doesn't work. they should realize after BvS failure and make JL better than ressurected superman with akward unfunny joke batman with flash fighting mosquitos. i was waiting JL could be stand next to the avengers but its a major flop, everyone really dissapointed with it

[@davidsnyder6527]

superhero movies aren't comedy. you want a guy like batman who is someone who as a kid saw his parents killed right in front of him to be a comedian? batman and robin movie from the 90's is the worst one ever due to the bs one liners, cheese humor... stupid crap. go ahead tho, enjoy all that bull dumb comedy and jokes while in mid battle scene like all other simpletons. DC is too smart and complex to bring 100% to the movies... people cry and cry wahhhh I don't understand what's going on or the characters motivations. PAY ATTENTION maybe? You mad because Superman hasn't cracked a stupid joke in the past hour?

[@worlddj1364]

If they imitate MCU comedy wise they would fail. DC theme is always serious and dark. It can use a little of dark wit. Like House MD kind of wit. But not light nor comedic.

[@hollyg7346]

@@mnbvmnbv7934 Don't get me started on Shazam, acting like a kid stuck in an adults body is new and innovative. The actor acts 10 not 15 it is like they have never met a 15 year old. It looks like a kids film I mean the suits? Look like a kid drew it. The trailer didn't intregue me at all and turned me away from watching it

[@Thrawn23.]

Oh how times have changed

[@andrewwong2399]

nope the dceu still sucks

[@enrk2195]

@@andrewwong2399 the mcu has always been overrated and garbage

[@Riteshkrpanda]

At this point I have watched more Videos about why DCEU sucks than the minutes of DCEU films I watched Edit : I started to watch DCEU movies and planning to watch Other DC stuff like the animated shows , Hope I will not be disappointed

[@ritesh.konakanchi]

Same here man, same here...

[@Sekiro495]

DC fan boiiii😆😆

[@piccoloatburgerking]

@@Sekiro495 wut

[@sunnymango1473]

My personal opinion on the DC Extended Universe (DCEU) Man of Steel ✅ Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 🤷‍♂️ Suicide Squad 🤷‍♂️ Wonder Woman ✅ Justice League 🤷‍♂️ Aquaman ✅ Shazam! ✅ Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of one Harley Quinn) ✅ Wonder Woman 1984 🤷‍♂️ Zach Snyder’s Justice League ✅ Edit: The Suicide Squad ✅ The Suicide Squad looks very good

[@edwardtimothy3581]

😂

[@dauntless64]

He didn't retire in Iron Man 3. He started a new journey. He began a new character arc.

[@chrisfelonall1177]

Thought si too

[@boynowayboy3218]

Yeah that’s why he got surgery

[@awesomechainsaw]

Yeah I mean if he wanted to point to a character who makes an abrupt change. Look at thor between dark world and ragnarock he became a wisecracker out of nowhere. Though even then it’s heavily implied in infinity war, and endgame that he’s making jokes to cope with his pain and loss.

[@Twofix]

5:44 Marvel is capable of telling a story about Hulk's struggle by not doing another Hulk movie...and it works.

[@Twofix]

Yes. That's true.

[@williamjones3534]

Taufiq Othman Marvel can't do a Hulk movie. Or rather they can but there are distribution issues. They own the rights to the Hulk and can make a Hulk movie. The problem is they don't own the distribution rights; universal does. So they would have to go through Universal to distribute the movie and Disney is not having that.

[@ATMOSK1234]

Apparently disney tried to buy the hulk rights awhile ago and universal said "nah son, we gunna keep em, what you gunna do bout it?"

[@razajafri5193]

ATMOSK1234 I feel like Universal can’t make a good hulk movie so they won’t let anyone else make a good one. It may hurt themselves but they bringing Disney down in that aspect.

[@BBBHuey]

I'm still waiting for the Leader...

[@colleenclement474]

Batman v Superman was handled better in a kids cartoon than in the live action movies. Much better. DC did not follow up on its animated successes or emulate them. The video did it better too.

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

That kids cartoon had gore lol

[@amscs2001]

And they did it again “I am Iron Man”

[@rockinrobin222]

And "don't do anything stupid till I get back"

[@ibrahimhabib9693]

@SmashMaster72 I know

[@colleenross8752]

@@rockinrobin222 how can I, you're taking all the stupid with you

[@ookack8580]

Colleen Ross that’s a reference

[@JhonFeliciano]

Ook Ack How can I is a line in Endgame

[@plflores33011]

Like in the scene where spiderman got dusted we feel the emotion of tony losing peter parker because they had a relationship at spiderman homecoming. Or the concern of iron man dying when thanos stabs him.. or loki dying..

[@aleashashackleton5262]

EXACTLY! we ended up liking the "evil" Guy and feeling sorrow for him. Loki had a great character arch and him alone has a better plot line than the entire DC

[@lye27]

and then.. they all came back alive

[@kadiriolanipekun6486]

@@lye27 that was part of the plot

[@agentmelt996]

@@lye27 Besides Loki but at least he has a series

[@lucyelvis5489]

Loki is even a better than superman to me i even love him

[@rajs6834]

Tony Stark boasting about him being "a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist" is funny and savage because that is how we saw this character for the last 2 films. Bruce, after brooding for the entirety of BvS, saying "I am rich" is just stupid and cringe.

[@hailpickens2454]

Raj S Joss Wheedon is responsible for that I want you all boot licking mcu fans to remember that.

[@quackadoo3101]

Lemon Pepper the joke batman makes doesn’t make sense with the character the movies have built since he’s always super serious so when he suddenly tells a joke it’s just cringe. Iron man has always made jokes since the very first movie so it’s not weird when he does it because the audience knows this is part of his character.

[@sharendavis9216]

I find them both a bit cringy lol

[@hailpickens2454]

Lemon Pepper not a stupid joke, A garbage movie

[@hauaywkos6638]

@@quackadoo3101 that was not a joke. Being rich is literally one of his most important advantages.

[@John-cr4cv]

I'm actually glad DC realized their mistake and now we got movies like The Snyder Cut, The Suicide Squad, and more potentially good DCEU movies to come

[@John-cr4cv]

Tho, this video has some good points too

[@nimislaknumis4615]

I don't know, but I think it's Warner Bros who wanted to catch up. The people at DC are passionate

[@charlielane699]

The Batman was fantastic. I think DC is making a comeback on the movie front

[@duxfot6998]

honestly mcu is one of the greatest underdog story. they made their unkown characters iconic.

[@michaelwomack5769]

Their not iconic, not nearly as much as batman, superman, flash, etc

[@inigobantok1579]

Captain America is iconic before mcu mate

[@michaelwomack5769]

@@inigobantok1579 Not rlly, what is he iconic for? What symbols does he have other than his shield

[@inigobantok1579]

@@michaelwomack5769 the A

[@michaelwomack5769]

@@inigobantok1579 😂😂😂😂😂no it’s not

[@ubermacv2]

So in short. Never craft your characters around a plot line. Instead craft the plot line around your characters. This analysis sings to me for the fact that I'm an amateur author myself. (Shrug)

[@TheCloserLook]

Yeah, that is a very good mentality to have as a writer :)

[@ubermacv2]

Thank you.

[@sandywolfr26]

It also why characters are way more important than the plots.

[@j.oosterink2393]

Look at George R.R. Martin he does that perfect

[@feilungchen6154]

You should watch the documentary of Ghilbi Studios on Hayao Miyazaki. Your comment fits in perfectly with his ideas!

[@aoteren]

Watching this video made me remember something J.K.Rowling always said about Harry Potter characters, or rather, the way she always talks about them. She always talks as if the characters are the ones that make choices and decisions and act a certain way, at which she may be surprised herself. So I quite agree with this video. You need to work your characters' choices and motivations, and then, with those as a basis, build a story on them. A really good point, actually.

[@orfaliadam1030]

Wait hold up... Harry Potter vs Marvel?

[@siddharth_0771]

@@bazel1494 no one wins. Both are so different.

[@chriswentz5197]

Now she is like"Harry potter is gæ single mom that put eggs,also he is Disabled and autistic and haves Down syndrome"

[@malex027]

@@chriswentz5197 yeah but this was back when she was sane

[@louise9489]

She admitted to already having an epilogue in mind - which is why Ron x Hermione and the other relationships felt forced. She didn't expect for the characters to grow that way.

[@mohammadmirza84]

my oh my how the tables have turned

[@darkglass3011]

In simple terms: It's OK for a Character to exhibit behaviour Z when before they exhibited behaviour A as long as we see the progression from A to Z. If we don't see the middle part, the character looks as if they are _out of character_ and the inconsistency will piss people off.

[@TheExecutioner21]

Dark Glass like how thor became a comic relief character?

[@staizer]

No, because we see Thor do that in the middle parts . . . did you not watch the middle parts? The middle parts would have shown you that. . . I guess you didn't watch them? Have you tried watching the middle parts? It would help you understand that the middle parts help characters transition from A to Z. Seriously, watch the middle parts.

[@jonathanstarsmoure5791]

@@staizer Except the middle parts were non-existent.

[@rainerzufall8090]

@@jonathanstarsmoure5791 they kinda were... He's making a few jokes in AoU and dark world. Not much, but at least a bit.

[@adamwalsh6159]

Marvel plot: has multiple story lines tying in with each other toward the end of the film DC plot: their mothers have the same name

[@Ok-yc7sj]

You do realize Superman and Batman always has the same mother’s name since 1939 right? It didn’t just pop up as a reference

[@arya-man]

Ah shit here we go again.... Batman's parents were killed in a street by a criminal. He became batman to stop such things from happening. But when he heard superman say that he was letting them kill martha, batman realized that he became the exact thing he wanted to stop. He was now the criminal who was now basically killing another mother, another martha

[@disrupt94]

let's not pretend that Marvel plots are anything special, cookie-cutter "superhero overcomes self-doubt and defeats the badly developed villain so that he/she can get with the bland love interest."

[@bishalshakya7366]

@kavikiru kavikiru he goes disabling the mobs in the next scene. That's what Batman does. Also at the end he doesn't brand Lex as his brutality and cruelness were redeemed by Superman's sacrifice and realization that it was his mistake that Superman died.

[@bishalshakya7366]

@kavikiru kavikiru I was referring to the warehouse scene that comes after the martha scene. He only disables those mobs.

[@davidwilliams9948]

I'm an English teacher and the next unit I teach is character arcs. I'm definitely showing this video to kick off why this unit is important

[@timothymclean]

More English teachers need to use examples from pop culture. They also need to use more examples of where things go wrong, instead of just the classics (which are so renowned that they're practically untouchable, which weakens the lessons by making it seem like anything can have this themey stuff if you stare at it for a few centuries).

[@JordanWheeler1999]

Give the children knowledge my man :)

[@KillerWailz]

Mr. Williams? I didnt know u had a youtube channel :O

[@Gemnist98]

This better get pinned.

[@luvee659]

How'd it go? It's been a year now

[@euphorsia]

The fact that a tree with the vocabulary capacity of 3 words is much more interesting and developed than superman …. 😬

[@reeces.pieces3]

5 technically

[@euphorsia]

@@reeces.pieces3 5?

[@reeces.pieces3]

@@euphorsia His last words are "We are Groot" so it's technically 5

[@euphorsia]

@@reeces.pieces3 oh yeah how could I forget that

[@nihalchandan4383]

Marvel has three Chris's and YOU CANT BEAT THAT. Thanks for 2k...

[@sarcasticismyname3615]

AND TWO TOMS. TWO VERY PRECIOUS TOMS

[@sietessietes]

also they have one Scarlett in MCU, and one Scarlett in real life

[@zaharac.8832]

word life one of the stunt doubles are named chris too. I think it was chris pratt's stunt double

[@luiza.limaneves]

They also have two Sherlock's and two Watson's

[@RedxCarmine]

Chris Cult

[@abyssnofap4281]

Superman: seriously? It takes 5 of you to take down an alien invasion? Tony: at least we don’t wear our undies outside.

[@theshadow5352]

DC costumes are much cooler. Also fuck marvel

[@dav1d9]

@@theshadow5352 lmao DC costumes, have you seen flash, shazam, and cyborg.😂😂

[@tired4252]

Dav1d9 preach! why do their costumes look like... that? and @Xun Nuo Kuek I’m laughing

[@JaveriaYousuf]

@@theshadow5352 wearing underwear over costume isn't a personality trait xD

[@tellmesomething2412]

Superman: Taking on an alien invasion is easy. Iron Man: Well, it could've been easier if we weren't trying our best to make sure innocent people didn't die. Superman: What do you mean? Iron Man: So, that time when the court blew up, did you even have an answer? Superman: N'all. I've never knew what to say. I saved everybody. Iron Man: ... (Whilst thinking: "Bruh....")

[@ariannaselas1677]

I’ve always thought of a good story as 65% of character and 35% plot, yes you need the plot to be good to have a good story, but you really NEED the characters to make it lovable and memorable

[@petery6432]

Yeah, you really do need characters to be invested in. Looking at you, Tenet.

[@vanblitz7009]

@@petery6432 whats with Tenet?

[@QuinoLising]

Plot and character aren't so different Story is external conflict, what happens from an outside view Plot, is external conflict, but with how such events affect characters and make them feel on a deep and personal level. Plot is just characters and other characters

[@Burg7.]

ok

[@QuinoLising]

Tenet? I think it's all plot and no character.

[@spencergsmith]

The primary difference can be summarized in two words: character development. Also, Tony doesn’t retire at the end of Iron Man 3. He simply distinguishes his identity as a person from the armor. He realizes he is more than JUST Iron Man.

[@elin111]

Thor Ragnarok was another point in this video's favor. Thor being more jokey did come off a bit out of nowhere but his character arc across the three Thor movies was properly completed when he takes the throne of Asgard but this time he's humble about it and he finally reconciles wiht Loki.

[@shaunom8363]

Another big reason as to why it sold me is that they were able to humanize a god and make him relatable (an otherwise lazy reasoning by DC saying Superman and etc. are too godly and therefore too hard of a character to relate). His [Thor] jokes, give or take a few ones taken too far, and interactions with other characters were very real and ORGANIC.

[@elin111]

Infinity War had over 20 characters at once yet it still felt organic because people like these characters and got to know them so we get excited when the crossovers happen. In Justice League Wonder Woman was the only character with any personality and half the team were complete strangers, it's no shock that people weren't excited about that team up.

[@heroicdefender9747]

I think in Thor Ragnorok--- It was stated by Thor himself that the reason he ended up cracking jokes here and there whether they are funny or not because he spent too much time around Tony Stark... So the habit sort of rubbed on him a bit. But yes I agree... Even though I found the humor to be a bit out of place in some of the scenes, the film nonetheless developed Thor's character beautifully and seeing him reconcile with Loki was a great highlight in the film.

[@elin111]

Then it'd make sense that he's less jokey in Infinity War given what happens in the opening scene.

[@heroicdefender9747]

Pretty much--- Throughout the movie, Thor was almost pretty serious because he was still emotionally broken after witnessing the death and destruction that Thanos and the Black Order had caused on his Asgardian ship... Although he still does make some humorous quips in the film, they were dry humor a lot of the times.

[@firebug603]

Tony never really retired in Iron Man 3, he just realized that HE is Iron Man, not his suits

[@airwaters]

I thought that is pretty obvious. Idk that these so-called film critics are either confused or did not understand it lmao.

[@horseoperamarker]

Yes

[@michaelwomack5769]

Iron Man copied Batman in every way possible.

[@zombosspiggy2498]

@Michael Womack a yes because Batman has a wife and has a bunch of robotic suits and sacrificed his life for others there are many more examples just stop being iggnorant

[@icronnus]

@@michaelwomack5769 really Michael? really?

[@RicardoMoralesMassin]

Man, everything sounds SO much better with a proper british accent.

[@kylescheer9454]

Ricardo Morales 😂

[@orpheusandtherecluse6123]

So true

[@shaunstark1365]

yup,and with Zimmer's background too

[@XenosFFBE]

The things I liked about DC is the score and Wonder Woman (the character not the movie)

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

Ricardo Morales it really does

[@dragonnuggets225]

I don't watch DC, but given the Marvel content we get nowadays, I'm assuming this hasn't aged well.

[@oliverford5367]

Endgame wrapped the whole thing up, so Marvel since then has struggled to find a point to it.

[@zachmaster014]

Tony never retired in Iron Man 3. It was the clean slate protocol. Not the end, a fresh start.

[@iikaedenii]

but he removes his arc reactor and gets the surgery done and moves on from that traumatic event that was his abduction so if you just removed iron man 3 it wouldn't change a thing except that you don't know the kid at the end of endgame all of tony's ptsd is back in age of ultron

[@baller10345]

@@iikaedenii his suits have own arc reactors

[@iikaedenii]

@@baller10345 still, even if we remove ironman it doesn't change much. All his anxiety and fear is right where it was in AoU

[@alexdelyricist]

Hate people so singleminded that they think Tony continuing being Iron Man is a continuity flaw. The ‘clean slate’ protocol is like starting over. He got rid of his old suits and started going in another direction, but still being Iron Man

[@aurelian2668]

He realized that Iron man is not being in a suit. But being himself.

[@iriscorporation5447]

Mavel balances their heroes better. The entire jutice league wasn't able to beat Steppenwolf, but superman just backslaps him. Heck, Marvel made THOR FAT to balance him.

[@Benri05]

He oneshotted thanos with the stones in IW, if he wasnt fat, he wouldve rekt thanos in EG

[@sladewilson4448]

JL was a shitshow bcs of WB and Joss Whedon. Easily one of the worst movies ever made. They made Thor fat but they underdeveloped him. Hulk was wasted too. Hawkeye, Falcon, Almost all GOTG except Rocket, Nebula and Star Lord are wassed. BW got an...ok ending. Spidey just started but I guess he's doing ok. The only charcaters with great charcter development are Cap and IM, and now they're gone.

[@nathanslay6342]

IRIS Corporation doing that to Thor was a mistake

[@redd-jb-]

@@Benri05 but he wasn't able to beat him tony made him bleed and he wasn't able to beat him and then cap fought him in endgame with the hammer and still wasn't enough to beat Thanos until they all worked together

[@Benri05]

@@redd-jb- Thor was a lot stronger when he got the Stormbreaker, one attack crippled Thanos in IW. One downside is that he "didn't go for the head" or Thanos' arm.

[@booksquirm92]

I feel like it’s all about relatability. We all relate to the marvel characters on some level as they felt more human, even a talking tree and an assassin raccoon. For me it’s weird since i grew up watching dc’s animated shows but dceu feels so foreign to me, like it’s not even the same characters anymore.

[@sng3939]

It’s all about character which marvel did exceptionally. Then DC rushed all its characters even superman by killing him of and bringing him back even before he had a proper sequel so

[@XxXxZzZzZman]

Lmao DC seen Marvel making bank and panicked lmfao!!! like come on JL really? First off Cyborg, Flash, nor Aquaman ever interacted with one another (at least i dont think so) and so DC just throws them in a movie anyways

[@saideveshwar1865]

Yeah exactly

[@marsgrey8964]

Just like MCU do with Spider-Man, but its okay, because its marvel...

[@flameconvoy7424]

SNGaming I agree, you need to build up to plots like the death of superman or Batman returns. It’s like if marvel jumps to civil war in their second movie

[@VultureClone]

Don't DC fans complain that Marvel never kill their characters off? And then they go and bring Superman back..

[@mely1056]

How Capitan America says I Can Do This All Day is like how Iron Man says I Am Iron Man

[@joshjoshy9891]

It's simple the dceu keeps milking the icons while the mcu makes their icons

[@airwaters]

Now this is just... sad, because it is the truth.

[@michaelwomack5769]

Marvel doesn't have icons, and the characters they do have they either stole from DC, or just make a movie about them(milking them). Like making a movie on Captain America is "milking" the character.

[@nahiannir470]

@@michaelwomack5769 just accept the truth DC fanboy

[@michaelwomack5769]

@@nahiannir470 What is iconic about marvel?

[@nahiannir470]

Did anyone know about Iron Man,GOTG etc before MCU?No, and now you will hardly find anyone who don’t know them Marvel makes their Icons For DC, WB just keeps rebooting Superman and Batman They will be releasing a new batman with Robert Pattinson and a movie with Black Superman What can they do except that😂😂

[@BigAl2-u7e]

Ah, 5 years ago. How different it was back then.

[@nicholasdickens2801]

Do you know why Wonder Woman and the MCU films work and all the other films don’t. Easy, it’s one word... *heart.* Those films were made with heart. They care about the characters because the film makers do and they craft stories that make us invest in them. Characters with heart.

[@DunkIeosteus]

Nicholas Dickens man of steel has a lot of heart

[@tovolume]

Marvel has a consistent storyline and character development. DC is a mess and Marvel dominates them

[@DanielHerrera-ph4li]

Ok but dceu superman can probably take down mcu thanos, Thor , captain marvel and the hulk at the same time

[@yoshithebear7630]

@@DanielHerrera-ph4li it’s not a versus battle. It’s about what movies are better.

[@onthescene7897]

@@DanielHerrera-ph4li This isn't a video game where you need to compare their powers 😂 we are all talking about character arcs here you clown

[@orlando5789]

@@yoshithebear7630 Dark Knight is better than any MCU ( or Marvel, for that matter) ever. And, just so you know, The Dark Kmight is a DC movie. So what's your point?

[@orlando5789]

Maybe in movies, but as a whole, Marvel is light years behind DC. Games, comics, animations... need I go on?

[@petscopkid]

When you realize you like a talking tree more than Superman (in the movies)

[@jemjem2825]

And tree only says 3 words hahaha

[@thomyorkesrighteye]

@@jemjem2825 5* We and are were added to his vocabulary. We Are Groot.

[@luminatron]

tree is best boi

[@legotwoface]

When you realise that people are only talking about the DCEU and MCU instead of all of the Marvel/DC films as a whole

[@shrubb7925]

Is that an insult?

[@gummygwyn]

i just love how marvel humbles down their superheroes. like they make them pay for their reckless actions (where they realize that they unintentionally hurting other people) and make them humane and relatable. pLUS THE PACING! They don't rush character growth and each character, main or side, has story arcs and i love them for that. heck i like a hammer and a talking tree more than superman 😭🤭

[@avengersassemble9679]

Don't lie growing up not may people never really knew about Marvel it was all superman and batman but since 2008 Marvel took time with their movies they were patient while DC rushed it all into 2 movies Marvel really took a stand with everything their hero's their cast their and their story telling not to mention the hero's is team work in justice league none of cyborg, wonder woman, Aquaman and Batman's work never mattered when superman showed up he did what they were trying to do for almost the whole movie in like 2 minutes and don't even get me started with the whole Martha thing 😂 Marvel waited for 10 years and everyone's work mattered and helped in its own way

[@annalang5687]

People knew the X-men and Spiderman though

[@neelmehta3131]

I knew Spider man, X-Men , Deadpool , Namor before Batman , Superman was the second superhero I knew , Spider man was the first one When I Grew up I loved Marvel more than DC

[@legotwoface]

Actually DC movies are better. Even the dceu had it's fair share of good movies

[@neelmehta3131]

@@Gundam79 because I follow Marvel way more than DC comics And I watched spider man 2002 as my first superhero movie then I went for Marvel comics and then I knew other Marvel Characters After the release of TDK I got interest in DC comics

[@neelmehta3131]

@@Gundam79 I didn't knew him when I got to know about Raimi Spider man movies , I was six at that time and didn't knew about Superheroes but then I got to know about Deadpool and Namor from Comics and then all characters from Marvel I got to know Batman when TDK got released That's iy

[@Jack-yz2rj]

Notice how the only dc movies that are genuinely great aren’t in the dceu

[@GellertTV]

Except Aquaman and Shazam that are pretty good

[@Jack-yz2rj]

Gellert_ TV I wouldn’t say either of them are great though. Aqua man has lot of problems and Shazam isn’t as good on second and third viewings cuz if you know all the jokes there’s rlly not much entertainment left.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Jack-yz2rj Nah I would still say shazam is still an overall solid "good" movie. But yeah the best dc films aren't in the DCEU because it's a mess right now.

[@brf09]

@@Gadget-Walkmen same

[@danielballeste2811]

Wonder Woman is an amazing movie.

[@liamdallimore807]

Also, DC tried to rush out 10 years of storytelling and characters in a few movies.

[@macd1996]

Fother Mucker I read your name wrong 😂😂

[@TheTDA]

Fother Mucker thisssssssss

[@kevinsullwold2388]

Exactly. This is the "leg work" referred to in the video. DC rushed the idea of a shared universe and messed it up big time.

[@The80sWolf_]

Snyder had a vision and was building up the characters that would stretch over mos, bvs, jl part 1, jl part 2, mos 2. Snyder is not the one to blame for it not becoming a reality. And those "hack snyder", "dc is trash" people (marvel fanboys) etc did not really help it become a reality. They helped bringing the marvelization of Justice Leauge which ruined the characters, plot, setup etc. But I think they are happy with DC failing, so they can fanboy over disney/marvel.

[@zingzaber6989]

The 80's Wolf That was a terrible line-up anyway. Good thing it fell through. Solo movies first, obvious way to build a universe! Marvel fans can like DCEU movies but if they don't they probably have a reason. I want to get excited for both Marvel and DC movies plain and simple.

[@austinklay358]

After seeing the recent Suicide Squad, The Batman, and Peacemaker show. I feel like DC is making a comeback.

[@AllThingsFilm1]

You nailed it. Great analysis.

[@TheCloserLook]

Thanks, that means a lot :)

[@jonathanstarsmoure5791]

It's wrong. Because he's based it on JLeagues flop, when it's universally known for it straying away from the DCEU tone. Whereas if you look at the beginning Arcs of Superman in MoS up to BvS you'd notice the fundamental flaw in this analysis. Which is claiming that Marvel stuck to it's tone and character arc, which in fact DC did too, only that DC only had 5 movies in minus Jleague and Suicide Squad because it completely strayed from the DCEU premise? Which makes this whole thing unreliable. And finally. He is right to an extent. Marvel is all about the character perspective, the main character perspective. DCEU is not. Which makes the act of comparing them much like comparing apples and oranges. DCEU is a kind of a hybrid of character driven and plot driven stories, in which the main focus is the subjects and themes of their narrative. Which is why we see Lois in MoS at the helm of their plot, the plot driver if you will. And in BvS is more or less of the same, in which through her Lex's plot is unfolded. Superman in BvS is treated like a silhouette forcing us to look at him at "other" character's perspectives. Which serves the main point of the film. As to how the world would respond to a Superman. In which they did right. Now it's a subjective matter if you like that execution or not, certainly I do, however, it's undeniable that most do not. So objectively speaking MCU did not make better movies than the DCEU, because their executing their films differently.

Bro, speechless... Btw I've been saying this to people and of course people call me a "Marvel fanboy". Which in turn in just like "wow, people do not want to be told their favorite characters are being treated like crap".

Jonathan Starsmoure Well, you're notion of the DCEU is "doing it right" is subjective. What you are failing to see is that great characters is what makes people come back to these films because you tend to connect with them and their story arcs continue through the different films. DCEU on the other hand plays the event with the characters being in it. The problem with that structure is that there is no connection to the main characters and it makes us not care for them because essentially they are extras in event film. Example, the movie The Day After Tomorrow had characters that nobody gives a shit about because the whole premise to the film is about the event and not the characters themselves. The event is what drives the plot forward with everybody essentially just in it to response to what's going on around him or her. When somebody does die it becomes meaningless and a CGI visual effects fest. When you look at movies like Civil War the characters that we've come to know have a dilemma internally they must now face against their own teammate because it comes down which side are you on? And in turn makes the audience also question themselves as to which side would you take not because of who your favorite character is but because you're seeing both sides from different points of view. Character already having developed traits and how they would react it's like second nature and very natural. Somebody not dying does not give weight to the conflict if someone actually does die but the fact is the fear of losing anybody gives that plot that much more intensity. Unlike in BvS when Superman dies it does nothing to the human emotions except that he's dead for the greater good of humanity but again we have not known him to save anybody up to that point. Making his death just lazy and making us trying to care for something not earned or there to begin with.

Jonathan Starsmoure

[@maxb2021]

You really nailed it, especially on the Iron Man part, 'Putting in the legwork' to develop these characters really does make the difference, DC movies feel very rushed and the audience has no personal investment in any of the characters (except for maybe Wonder Woman) all those little things add up in the end and add that extra level of depth that allows the audience to relate to them on a level that they normally wouldn't be able to. Top notch review

[@The80sWolf_]

Remove one liners from some marvel characters and they wont even have any character.

[@The80sWolf_]

ye

[@tiagodarkpeasant]

at least the one liners are useful, dc one lines destroy the characters, the most funny scene in justice league worked because it wasnt forced, superman lifting a buiding, he didnt intend to show off to flash, it just happened, if the rest of the movie actually had that same atmosphere, just like flash face when superman look at him

[@tiagodarkpeasant]

cap saying he can do it all day, and iron man giving no fucks is in character, batman superpower being rich, is not in character, he would probably say, i dont need a superpower or something like this

[@The80sWolf_]

There is nothing useful in character building with having characters doing pop culture quirps and references. It works with Deadpool, because oneliners/banter is part of his character.

[@z7983]

Numbers speak for itself. Avengers EndGame made more money in a day than Justice League made in its entire theatrical run lmao

[@cinecastmedia]

Sad but true

[@ClaireStErin]

Whoa, for real? That's crazy!

[@flallana18]

Victoria Ponte it’s gotten more box office money than the Titanic movie at this point

[@antona.8659]

Endgame also made more money on its first five hours of opening day than Blade Runner 2049 made in its entire theatrical run. I suppose Endgame is a better movie by that metric.

[@z7983]

@@antona.8659 It is, Endgame has 95% rating on RT whereas Blade Runner 2049 has 87%

[@calmarsden8692]

And here we are in 2022, with The Batman alongside Morbius

[@andiebrown7792]

Tony Stark didn't retire in Ironman 3 he came to a conclusion of realizing himself and ironman are the same person.

[@Strome88]

Yeah he missed the point of the end of Iron Man 3. Also Tony said he was simply cutting down on the suits, meaning not letting his worries of the uncertain future get in the way of his relationship with Pepps.

[@notreallyizaah3025]

Andrew Brown I actually found thr ending beautiful

[@soul4saken]

And that his true power comes not from without (wealth, resources and technology), but from within, as demonstrated by his his intellect and personal character coming to the fore and proving formidable even when stripped of the ancillary benefits of wealth, resources and technology.

[@k1tdragon5]

And i think that if there is any desire for retirement, Age of Ultron does show Tony Stark is somewhat working towards that goal. Creating an AI in the manner of Ultron is(at least in some part) towards that goal.

[@justoneguy2487]

Marvel don't rush things

[@ab-edit5486]

absolutly. dc tried to beat marvel and they went too fast marvel will always beat dc in our years.

[@jorinton]

Just One Guy Marvel will never beat DC and DC will never beat Marvel cause Marvel have got better movies, but DC have better stories in comics and have got better game

[@justoneguy2487]

Jorinton DC have better animated series' and better animated movies

[@jorinton]

Just One Guy yea...

[@christiandivina6488]

Better stop making DC movies and focus on junk comics..hahaha

[@BingOG_]

1 Thing i gotta say, Iron Man didnt retire in iron man 3, hes "turning over a new leaf" as he said, basically a fresh start

[@leodaant699]

One old man once said:"That person who helps others simply because it should or must be done, and because it is the right thing to do, is indeed without a doubt, a real superhero."