Why Michigan and Ohio Went to War | State Rivalries

Here is why Ohioans and Michiganders have a long history of hating each other. This is the second episode of a series with The Cynical Historian examining different state rivalries. This episode's companion piece, why Virginia Hates West Virginia, can found on his channel here: • Why West Virginia left...
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A special thanks to Cody from KnowledgeHub for looking over my script. Here is his video about the topic: • When Ohio and Michigan...
Today, when Americans think of a Michigan and Ohio rivalry, they think of college football. “The Game,” is a major match-up each year between the Michigan Wolverines and the Ohio State Buckeyes. It’s one of the most well known sports rivalries around, mostly due to the fact that geographically the schools are close, and the two football teams are usually both very good and competing for their conference championship. The two teams have played every year since 1918, and the rivalry actually goes all the way back to 1897. At that first game in 1897, In the stands at the game were at least some fans who were alive when their two states freaking went to war with each other, and I’m sure this helped fuel the rivalry. Yep, you heard that right. Michigan and Ohio went to war with each other. But before we get there, let’s go back away.
The story begins with the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which the United States passed to create the Northwest Territory, the first organized territory in the country. It stretched from the Appalachian Mountains to the Mississippi River, between British North America and the Great Lakes in the north and the Ohio River in the south. In order to create future states, the U.S. gave Ohio Country a northern boundary that went from the southern tip of Lake Michigan straight east to Lake Erie. North of this line would be the future state of Michigan. South of this line, the future state of Ohio. However, the cartographers who drew up the map of the border didn’t do a good job. The maps were...how do you say...inaccurate, to say the least. Like this map, which showed the border giving Ohio the entire eastern coast of Lake Erie and even possibly Detroit. During the Ohio constitutional convention of 1802, a fur trapper showed up and said the northern boundary was actually much further south. In fact, south of a crucial waterway out of Lake Erie called the Maumee River.
Well this freaked the Ohioans out. Hoping to push their luck, they went ahead and made the northern border just north of the Maumee River, and hoped the federal government wouldn’t notice when it admitted Ohio as a state in 1803. Well guess what. People noticed. In 1805, when folks tried to establish the territory of Michigan, surveyors, realized the southern tip of Lake Michigan was further south of the Maumee River.
So, there was a classic border dispute. And for many years, the federal government did not step in. Finally, in 1817, it sent a dude named Edward Tiffin to check it out. His team concluded that the border that went just north of the Maumee, as recognized by the Ohio constitution, was indeed the accurate one. The problem, though, was that Tiffin might have been a little bit biased. You see, he used to be the governor of Ohio. So of course Michiganders were gonna protest. Michigan Territorial Governor Lewis Cass went to President James Monroe to ask for another survey at the border. The second team, led by John Fulton, came out to more accurately put the border directly east of the southern tip of Lake Michigan, which was well south of the mouth of the Maumee River.

[@iammrbeat]

Who's watching in 1835?

[@bonecanoe86]

Only 1830s kids remember

[@capnm4078]

Death to Ohio!

[@abhisheksamanta1]

How come you get to comment on a 1 hr old video 4 days ago???

[@HorrorMetalDnD]

Huzzah!!!

[@copperdan1275]

How was that comment 5 days ago?

[@tencorgmail4075]

Michigan and Ohio: Goes to war Loser: Wisconsin

[@295g295]

7:05 - Did Indiana have a war with Michigan to have a boundary farther north than Ohio? This includes Michigan City into Indiana.

[@hejichs]

Poor Wisconsin

[@honolulublues5548]

@@295g295 I don't think so. The land was originally a part of the Michigan territory, but it was a small settlement when Indiana's border was drawn. They probably didn't think the area was worth fighting over because of the size and no plans at the time for a waterway to be constructed.

[@toyotasupra174]

Just like Nazi Germany vs Ussr with loser being Poland

[@thefrogbert6295]

Indiana is the middle child of the Midwest We always forget that they exist

[@benjurek4484]

Being a Toledo Native, the state rivalry is still a big deal. The city’s allegiance is split about 50/50 between Ohio and Michigan.

[@TehNoobSchool]

I can confirm this

[@matthewclark7885]

Here's an idea, just join your sister city and pledge allegiance to Spain lol (from an Ohioan)

[@epistte]

I love the various billboards between Toledo and Ann Arbor on US-23.

[@nlnjb8438]

I’m from Toledo too

[@295g295]

2:27 .."Western coast of Lake Erie"

[@carlbowles1808]

I'm a former Michigan resident. The Michigan/Ohio State foot ball game is a religious high holy day. Everyone is super excited including those who care little for college football. The game is a huge revenue generator and a day of unity. I still root for Michigan though I no longer live there. Hail to the Victor's is the Michigan fight song, I sing it with pride.

[@notakittie7285]

I'm an Ohio kid and I clearly remember being in elementary school hearing other kids chanting "go bucks. Michigan sucks." I'm not into sports but I would refuse to put blue and yellow next to each other when coloring something so my classmates wouldn't think I was supporting Michigan. This rivalry is ingrained in us as kids before we even know where the other state is.

[@CrisisMonday]

I'm from Michigan and there's also a huge divide between the University of Michigan and Michigan State University. Also the Michigan phrase is "Oh how I hate Ohio State."

[@dembuckeyes]

@if you read this your gay I diagnose you with gay better at what?????

[@lukezawodni9767]

ab so lutely

[@AVA-ew6rt]

Same😭 like when your in class and someone goes “M-“ it’s like everyone starts death staring that kid if they dare say that forbidden word

[@EndViolence28]

😂

[@kaiserwilhelmii9897]

You know who really lost? (Wisconsin)

[@iammrbeat]

Oh snap

[@danisnothere3040]

Am I supposed to be glad that I'm not in Wisconsin?

[@MarlinRectory]

As a Wisconsinite, I can agree. We lost territory to MI, IL and MN

[@calzoneyyy]

The Merry Cilantro same.

[@kaiserwillhelmthe2nd773]

No poland lost

[@theflats2058]

I am from Flint ,but I love Ohio, every time I go there the people treat me good, I had great times hunting apple orchard on a family farm,thank you David for great times!!!!!!!DOUBLE D,:S FOREVER

[@anthonywiththew]

Flint 4L

[@devinjerryfreedomisfree4599]

The fact that’s it’s called “the game” gives it legitimacy to be the best sports rivalry. Ik there’s Red Sox-Yankees and Packers-Bears and Giants-Eagles etc but still

[@padre619]

One of if not the best college sports rivalries of all time

[@morbuskid1720]

Michigan and Ohio where probably amongst the most feirce regiments during the American Civil War, Ohioans actually made up around 20% of the official Union Army between the years 1862-3 but these Early war Ohioans were something fierce. Made up of Irishmen, Italians, and Germans as well as US born Citizens, it did not stand as the most diverse but probably the most dedicated. During Antietam the 8th Ohio Volunteer Infantry led a large skirmish force of around 300 men to capture a hill position from Virginia Skirmishes, successfully pushing them off and then holding that hill which was a crucial overlook position on Bloody Lane. If Those Skirmishers hadn't been taken off that hill then Union forces making the charge would've been harshly pelted in the Flank, taking much higher casualties than actually sustained. What makes Antietam the defining moment for the 8th OVI is the fact that after taking 40-50% casualties they actually regrouped and charged with the main force, being reported to have been the first unit over the fence and fighting to capture Sunken Road. The 8th was then appropriately named "The Fighting Fools" just because of how brainlessly dedicated they were to their cause, almost insanely so. And on Michigan's behalf we of course have Ohio to thank for giving them the name "Wolverines" which was used as a battlecry during the Charge of the Michigan troops at the Battle of Gettysburg, another minor engagement but with much prowess as they had been tasked with recapturing a vital position needed to ensure the Hook would not be compromised. I think when you set beside the childish rivalry, Ohio and Michigan are almost unstoppable together, as they marched together in the American Civil War, I'm not sure if it ever happened directly but sure as hell at Gettysburg there were Ohio and Michigan state troops fighting on the same side.

[@Arklay_Ishimura]

See now this is just a fascinating and awesome comment. Absolutely mystifying. (I’m from Illinois and have been to both states on numerous occasions...Michigan more than Ohio)

[@morbuskid1720]

@@Arklay_Ishimura If you ever go back to Ohio make sure to stop by Camp Dennison, really interesting place for History, that's where the Fighting Fools regiment was actually trained.

[@dewaynecoleman1989]

You probably know this already, but Gen. George Armstrong Custer was born in Ohio, then later was a General in Michigan's 7th Calvary.

[@Michigander269]

Someone's upset about Ohio always loosing.. You had to go back to the civil war just to claim victory, and even then it's only by association lol. Let's be honest, most people in Ohio inherently travel north for a vacation. And every trip I've ever made to lake Michigan I've been greeted with half a parking lot of Ohio vehicles. We still love you guys, but only when you're on our side of the border lol.

[@dewaynecoleman1989]

@@Michigander269 We love you guys also. We just don't like that Football Team, whose name will not be mentioned.😁

[@kaelalist9656]

I love that the Wolverines actually got their name from Ohio saying that michiganders were "as fierce as Wolverines". Also they covered this in third grade in Michigan.

[@quasicroissant]

tbh the wolverine is way too cool of an animal to be an efficient insult, they should've gone with the raccoon or something. Rat's also a classic option

[@kaelalist9656]

@@quasicroissant I don't think they were intending for it to be an insult so much as an actual description of their ferocity in a fight.

[@quasicroissant]

@@kaelalist9656 No, I don't think that's it. I don't doubt you were told that in school, you know, in Michigan, but I'm pretty sure the intention was to compare michiganders to a vicious pest. Ferocity in what fight, exactly? Like the video says, there weren't actually any fights in the Toledo "war".

[@CarringtonMorgan3342]

I used to like both Ohio State and Michigan because they were both very interesting football teams and I don't know who to pick honestly for football.

[@LuckyLefty92]

Yea we were taught this in elementary school in Michigan

[@jaredschemanski3294]

Michigander here, we definitely came ahead with the UP. as for the rivalry, sports might be how most people not from these two states think it manifests. In reality it is deeper than that. When a Michigander meets someone from Ohio, there is usually an awkward pause or some joke like "sucks to be you" or " I'm sorry". Now this is usually in jest nowadays as I have many friends from Ohio, particularly Toledo. It is a regional thing you can't understand if you weren't born to it.

[@williamward446]

In the 1970s, there was a group in Ohio that wanted to build a tunnel to Canada under Lake Erie so that they didn't have to drive through Michigan... Also, Michigan has the largest and best system of State Parks, and in the summer they are filled with people from Ohio looking for a great place to vacation...

[@alex-dj3of]

Michigan is more like parkland

[@josephbrandsen9105]

Michigan got the better deal, until the advent of No fault auto insurance in 1973.

[@Yophillips3272]

Sounds like a good idea but Michigan has the most expensive auto insurance in the country.

[@gallagher831]

I pay 209 a month just for my car insurance if I was in florida it would be 60 bucks or less one car.... fuck no fault insurance

[@brittnay279]

Jeremy Gallagher $60?! What if you get into an accident and get found at fault? Can the other person sue the shit out of you? Does $60 insurance actually insure anything? I’ve only ever had car insurance in Michigan

[@Yophillips3272]

@@brittnay279 min coverage at least in Ohio, protects you from getting sued as an individual to a certain point. Anything after that you can get sued but if you can barely pay car insurance and don't have any money what are they going to sue you for? I think most people get full coverage insurance to protect their car more than worried about getting sued. Most people that get min coverage get it because if they get pulled over without insurance they will get a ticket and their car towed. It's all kind of a scam to be honest. Guess it depends what end of the stick your getting. Don't quote me on anything.

[@gallagher831]

Also in michigan 7 day insurance just enough time for you to register your car plates then next week no car insurance 1 out of 4 driver dont have insurance in Michigan I wonder why

[@mjpottertx]

As someone originally from Ohio, I think Michigan clearly won, as Ohio was forced to keep Toledo.

[@EvanHartenburg]

Toledo is the best city in Ohio fight ne

[@TheSkyrimps3]

Evan Hartenburg hell no, cincy and Columbus are both better.

[@dubvuchyea502]

Toledo is the worst city in the state unless you are wanting to join a gang, sell drug or scrap metal

[@jules.s-treehouse]

Yeah my family lives in Toledo and I live in Dayton, toledo is ghetto and crusty

[@austinmorrin3788]

So Toledo is one of the most geographically centered recognized cities in the US to live in due it’s close proximity to dozens of different economic centers. TOL-EDO

[@its_me_rikichi]

I'm from Michigan and we went to the capital of Lansing on a school trip in 5th grade and we learned about the Toledo War. Ever since then I like to bring it up in conversations about the Michigan/Ohio rivalry.

[@kitkat53ftw]

Toledo history is so amazing i live this, good video am!

[@mousetreehouse6833]

This may not be relevant, but did anyone notice the 1897 Ohio football uniforms look like old timey prison outfits???

[@quanbrooklynkid7776]

damn

[@acw102574]

Mouse Treehouse yup

[@patwithacat2424]

Uhhh football was all like that from 1898 they didn't have uniforms dumb shit but i like Michigan as a state but in football you guys take stuff from 1890s football when everyone has the same uniforms which is dumb as shit

[@johnnyonthespot4375]

Here is a consideration : I have traveled this country and lived in 14 different States over those years and although we are all Americans do not kid yourself, people are distinctly different in different States but growing up in Michigan I have been a full part of that fun Ohio/Michigan rivalry but, having spent considerable amounts of time in Toledo and other cities these two States have the exact same people in them. You can take a person from Ohio and move them to Michigan and not a soul would notice....but take a person from New York and put them ANYWHERE and they would be noticed .

[@zachmurray4005]

Lmao, well said

[@carlbowles1808]

I agree with you michiganders and Ohioans have much in common. I'm a former Detroiter.

[@emily0071000]

Places with the biggest rivalries are often the most similar

[@luke69420]

@@emily0071000 I know I’m from a different country, but, In Ireland there’s a huge divide and rivalry between north and south dublin. The two peoples are incredibly diverse. Almost like they are from separate countries, within the same county.

[@fennettproductions4511]

My dad is from Michigan but has lived in Ohio the past 30 years. My mom is from Cleveland, and me and my brothers are all born and raised in columbus. You'd never know my dad is originally from Michigan 🤢

[@noahtaylor6374]

I saw your state comparison videos and I was like oh this one better be on there

[@tzyijiang9884]

I heard about this war from one of my colleagues when I worked for the Copper Country Mental Health Center at Houghton in Michigan's Upper Peninsula between 1988-1991. I was wondering if either of you would make a video about it, and here it is.

[@violetlightz]

I’m from Michigan and the only thing we like about Ohio is Cedar Point edit: wow what is up yalls ass 😂

[@whoisbrucewayne]

And kings island

[@calebgepford7646]

yeah

[@YoungMasterCarson]

My favorite part of Ohio is leaving it.

[@jaywalt8418]

The zoo is cool too🤣

[@brittnay279]

Columbus was pretty nice the few times I visited...I mean the rest of the state is pretty boring though. Especially after you drive home from like Florida or something and you’re like damn Ohio can you please get the fuck outta my way.

[@andrewgin9658]

I'm from Ohio and can tell you that probably 99% of the state doesn't even know about this - I know I didn't. But it's interesting history behind the rivalry that's just always been there.

[@Adri_Unsung]

Andrew Gin lmao they teach it in elementary school history class in Michigan!

[@AliP1970]

I'm from Michigan and don't recall having heard about this before. Not even in elementary school history. What that could be either my age or my location in the state. I've lived here all my life

[@TheStunlocker]

From Michigan myself and I certainly remember it from elementary school. I tell people about this "war" all the time and no one believes me.

[@whattheysayk9558]

Goes to show you how Ohio sleeps on my city

[@bigkkm]

The first three words say it all.

[@nuclearbomb1032]

I’m Just glad everybody isn’t spamming “only In Ohio 💀”

[@aljaberhk]

do not sort comments by newest

[@justinb864]

I lived in Toledo for about a year and attended the University of Toledo. Ended up dropping out and moving down south, but I liked Toledo. It was a neat city, if you know which parts you're best to stay clear from if you're an outsider.

[@dogetheswaggy3830]

As an Ohioan, I can confirm there's a lot of rivalries. You can't even wear anything that has a little bit of "Michigan colors" on it without getting yelled at.

[@bobriemersma]

The real "Michigan colors" are green and white of course.

[@alic1aa]

Bob Riemersma nah that’s Michigan state, Michigan colors are blue and yellow.

[@joeyhilliard5323]

STRAIGHT FACTS

[@LoganJenkins442]

Doge The Swaggy when I drive through Ohio I get out at a hotel DRESSED IN MICHIGAN CLOTHES

[@Raqqqqq]

As a Michigander the same thing happens here except if u were at flint detroit or Saginaw you would get shot at

[@jessebiedlingmaier3976]

I'm from Monroe Michigan, it's right above Toledo. We learned about this conflict in school. The only thing Toledo has that Michigan doesn't is nice roads with no potholes.

[@Paranormal_unhinged]

HA TAKE THAT! (No offense)

[@CrisisMonday]

So true

[@midnightclub323]

Nah we do not have nice roads

[@midnightclub323]

Atleast where i am in toledo

[@sweatyfrog8005]

Yo I’m From The Same Place, Monroe

[@Neo10011]

When I first saw the background for mr.beat I instantly recognized the fifth third bank skyscraper made of straight glass from the glass city.

[@mikefontenot826]

Wooo the “the game” shoutout was amazing lol

[@Ayastie]

Im from Michigan and even people who don't like sports talk crap about Ohio all the time. I mean it certainly is no coincidence that our worst great lake we have is the one we share with Ohio ;)

[@iammrbeat]

Ha! Well interesting to know. I may have to make another video just comparing the geography, as sort of a sequel.

[@fanyfan7466]

Oct Vestale I’m also from Michigan, can confirm

[@peterf4620]

Oct Vestale Yep! This is so true! Lol! Go Blue! 〽️

[@peterf4620]

epic food reviews Yes! Gotta represent the Motor City! 313 represent! Support the big three. Ford, GM, and Chrysler. I’m a big Detroit sports fan. Detroit’s economy is mostly manufacturing and automotive.

[@infinatious]

from Ohio and it goes both ways

[@triggerhappy124421]

Im from Michigan, though im an MSU grad. I will say that more people remember the toledo war than you might think since we are taught it in jr high school, its just not relevant today since its almost 200 years in the past now. The state rivalry (at least in michigan) extends to many jokes about Ohio.

[@iammrbeat]

Yeah, I figured they'd teach it to the public school youngin's. Did you have an entire semester or year of Michigan history?

[@maxhouskamp5270]

@@iammrbeat of course! Shit in elementary school it was all Michigan history. It was boring at the time but in sure glad I listened

[@fromthehaven94]

We get a lot less snow, especially the lake effect kind.

[@lockheed6859]

Michigan state the team we hate(UofM

[@patrickaalfs9584]

@MrBeat. Just wanted to say this was one of the more comprehensive histories of the Michigan/Ohio rivalry. Stephens Mason is seldom ever mentioned, nor is his distinction of being the youngest elected state governor. Congratulations.

[@mellisabecky1582]

Hello Patrick , sorry for intruding your privacy hope you don’t mind ?

[@mellisabecky1582]

How are you doing

[@smitty6119]

I live in upper sandusky far south from toledo but i do believe my grandpa told me that his grandparents when they moved to ohio herd about this dispute and started owning fields by little ditch streams cause he wanted to help out the state we still own 2 of these fields by a ditch along my road its really cool you can still find areo heads cause the land my great great grandfather bought used to be an indian reservation aswell before Americans moved in and started the state

[@marulemaster8329]

So the Toledo strip is why we wisconsinites have to have less land and Michigan on our border!?!?!

[@jimmytheshadowleviathan7243]

Ohio is mad too But hey, we got toledo

[@honolulublues5548]

Yep, if Ohio had given up Toledo, Wisconsin would have the UP, however, the current state lines might have been different elsewhere. The Mississippi might not have been the border for most of the state.

[@thebandit0256]

You want some wine with that cheese

[@theoffbeatninja610]

Cry more, cheese-head. Lol

[@laerr]

New war unlocked: Wisconsin taking over both Michigan and Ohio

[@blanith]

Michigander here. Other than being raised with a general distaste for our neighbors to the south, the only practical effect of the legacy is that there is a widely believed bias that Ohio officers will take any excuse to pull over a Michigan plate. This might be for the practical reason that people from out of state will just mail in a ticket with payment, but it still seems sinister.

[@martind349]

Docility has its honor.

[@ryanx9372]

It's because the highways are unsafe with you stuck in the fast lane refusing to go to right lane with slower traffic when possible.

[@hleeannl6905]

When we had the old blue plates, I called it the Blue Plate Special, since I knew the Ohio troopers were looking for our cars on the way to Cedar Point

[@Aracelerii]

We have the same bias down here.

[@brittnay279]

I have been pulled over in Ohio with Michigan plates on my way through...I just thought every state pulls over out of state plates, not just Ohio Oh and they said it was because I was following the person in front of me too much...I had to explain that I was literally following them home. Didn’t think that was a great reason to pull us over but we didn’t get a ticket so whatever

[@danielkinney1845]

Great series call How the state's got their shapes I saw on Netflix talks about this. I was born in Flint Michigan but have lived in Roanoke Virginia for about 25 years. I miss the cold weather and snow.

[@dillon6413]

No you don’t.

[@mellisabecky1582]

I miss the cold weather more 😊😇,Hello Daniel Sorry for intruding your privacy Hope you don’t mine .

[@mellisabecky1582]

How are you doing

[@dalesimons1966]

I am a resident of Colorado now but I grew up in Michigan. With the acquisition of the Upper Peninsula I believe Michigan got the better deal. (No offense intended to Toledo) The Michigan/Ohio State rivalry is epic though! My mom who was not a football fan AT ALL watched and paid attention to this game. Bless her heart ❤️ she did not understand football but that didn’t stop her from routing for Michigan!

[@lizleart]

I’m from Ohio and honestly I’ve never understood the “rivalry” we have. Anytime I’ve asked about why everyone hates Michigan I’ve just gotten a “because there Michigan”

[@itsmeheathermarie]

I'm from Michigan and honestly, same thing, but visa versa. I think it's all a bit silly

[@patwithacat2424]

Same

[@TeethOfDead]

AND THATS A GOOD ENOUGH EXPLANATION. “O-H!!!!”

[@emerylsg]

@@TeethOfDead "I-O!!!!"

[@paulanocero1364]

It had to with a land grab both states wanted

[@Atlas-bw1ju]

as a ohioan from toledo, i can say that i enjoy the glass city

[@tommytwofingers64]

It would actually be crazy if you did a video on Toledo. I know Toledo isn’t what it used to be, but we’re starting to come back, and Toledo has a lot of history to talk about tbh. Just something to think about.

[@hillocat101]

Grew up in Michigan and I knew about this. I did not know a so called war broke out but I knew about the land dispute leading to the current state rivalry.

[@tonyclark3913]

Michigan shakes fist "You F-ing guys!" Ohio "Did he just call us Buckeyes?" And now you know the rest of the story. Good day.

[@iammrbeat]

Great history. Bad history, but great history. :)

[@Aracelerii]

I'm just going to try to imagine what would happen once Ohio finds out what Michigan actually said.

[@michellp1909]

@@Aracelerii we already have.

[@talonsage954]

Oh, I miss Paul Harvey.

[@talonsage954]

@@Aracelerii Nothing. We don't take shit from Ohio and they know it.

[@scottman895]

I remember learning about the Toledo War back in the day although I can't remember if it was in school or if I just found it online one day. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed this video. It's always interesting to learn more about the history of both Michigan and Ohio. They are the two states I am in the most! Great video!

[@iammrbeat]

Thanks Scottman! I love your channel. My wife and I watch it all the time. We should collaborate some time!

[@scottman895]

Thank you very much! I am glad you have been enjoying my videos! A collaboration sounds like a great idea. I'll be up for it!

[@go0p_juice]

I live in Michigan...... on sports day at school once I wore a Ohio state jersey , the kids said it was illegal. I just wanted to wear my grandpa’s jersey 😭

[@loyaltonotredame2160]

dang

[@rebekahdemars3457]

I live in Perrysburg connected to Maumee so I love this video

[@jasonfire3434]

When Toledo is supposed to be the big prize, did anyone really win? I kid

[@imaidiot4766]

bahahahha

[@blairforce1755]

Yeah Michigan did. U been to Toledo?

[@richardclifford003]

I live outside of Toledo and have to drive thru it to get to work. It's a frickin cesspool. I recently looked up the numbers, based upon the FBI's annual crime report (2015). After crunching the numbers, I discovered that, per capita, Toledo has a higher murder rate than Chicago. Mostly due to gang activity followed second by family members who apparently hate one another.

[@TheMissingLink2]

@@richardclifford003 What a shitty comment... Toledo has like 1/12th the population of Chicago at best. A few murders skews the numbers hard against it..... For example, say 50 people were murdered in Toledo, while 1,000 were in Chicago. Toledo has a population of 250,000. Chicago proper alone has over 2.5 million people. The metropolitan area is almost 10 million people. For Toledo that's 1 murder per 1,000 people. For Chicago that's 1 murder per 25,000. That SOUNDS like a better rate but the reality is FAR more people were murdered in Chicago than Toledo. It's 20x more. The best part about my example is that the numbers I pulled out of my ass are accurate to the number of murders each city has.

[@richardclifford003]

@@TheMissingLink2 I stand by my statement.

[@donovanphillips419]

419 born and raised! People really don't give Toledo the credit it deserves. Best minor league sports city in the country. Epicenter of mid-western college football. World renowned zoo and art museum. Beautiful historic neighborhoods. Great parks and rivers. Short drive to the beaches on Lake Erie and Cedar Point. Downtown area has gone through a massive revival over the last decade. Overall a fine place to live by me. Go Rockets!

[@robertbruce7772]

Toledo is a very nice place. As a Michigander I like the Toledo Zoo a bit more than the Detroit Zoo. Mud Hen games were very fun as well. Michigan and N Ohio is MAC central. Go Eagles!!!!

[@patrickfair9107]

Same here 419 all my life except for a short stint in Florida. Lived there for 3 months before I got so homesick that I had to come back. People say that Toledo is a bad place and the people are bad but at least I knew how to handle myself here and knew how to interact with the people. Oakdale elementary East Toledo Junior high and Waite high School back in the '80s thru the mid-90s. There's no place like home. Interesting tidbit of info; canal Street in Toledo still has parts of the old canal system underneath the road, hence the name.

[@LowQualityProductionsInc]

Why would you put our area code

[@circleinforthecube5170]

like every city doesen't have historical neighborhoods, everyone claims there historic architecture is unique in the midwest but its not that different from other midwestern historic architecture (those main street buildings and a neoclassical city hall is extremely common)

[@alexjacobs3441]

That water route was a pre-contact major trade route coincidently (or not) from Poverty Point Louisiana to Cahokia (East St Louis) and the Ohio Mound Cities and along Lakes Erie & Ontario are found artifacts, seeds & trade goods. Also coincidently were Mayan Trade Canoes or Barges that most likely traded at Poverty Point & other sites. That whole Northwest Territory was also a battleground and site of resistance during Pontiac's Rebellion, Little Turtle''s War, Tecumseh's Western Alliance and Black Hawk's War. The Natives fared pretty well in these conflicts but circumstances worked against them as US forces rebuilt after 1781 & 1814.

[@RogerClarkII]

Being from Michigan we were taught about the way in Michigan history class in middle school. In fact, we used to say that the directions to get to Toledo were, 'south 'til you smelled it, east 'til you stepped in it.'

[@TheSilverRaven13]

I'm from Toledo, and we learn about this in school! It's so good to see it on a KZbin channel! Thank you!

[@iammrbeat]

Toledo represent, and thanks for watching :D

[@ryanx9372]

[@maximaldinotrap]

>Be Ohio >Call Michiganders Wolverines >Meant to be an insult >Michigan takes it as a compliment Ohio forgot how badass wolverines are.

[@stevenseelig945]

The only thing that I think of when you speak of Wolverines is the marvel character. I don't think about anything from the state of ichigan

[@Robbie-pc1dl]

copy paste here: Michiganders

[@michaelparr1023]

I'm from Michigan and remember learning about this in elementary school. We still don't like Ohio but it's more of a friendly rivalry now. We do like Cedar Point though :)

[@beefcupcakes5959]

As a Michigander, the only thing I like about Ohio is Cedar Point XD

[@anthonywiththew]

Dude I literally have lived in michigan since u was 3 and never learned this

[@beefcupcakes5959]

@@anthonywiththew That's odd, I learned about it in seventh grade. It should be in your curriculum...

[@anthonywiththew]

@@beefcupcakes5959 I know, I'm going into 8th maybe I will learn more then

[@beefcupcakes5959]

@@anthonywiththew Okay saying you never learned something before even being in High School isn't a great idea XD Don't complain until you graduate lol

[@danhayden6049]

I live in northern Michigan. Traverse city area. The upper peninsula has lake superior which is a huge bonus.

[@scoob42]

I am a Toledoan (Maumee is pronounced MAW-MEE) and I’ve heard many stories about the Toledo War and this is a great video showing a bit of the history of this area.

[@SiVlog1989]

I first heard about the Toledo war in the Van de Graph video about weird US borders (in that video he also mentioned about why the Kentucky Bend exists and why Alaska is cut off from the rest of America by Canada amongst others). The more I find out about US history, both political and geographical, the more hooked I get :) Great video as usual Matt :)

[@iammrbeat]

Thanks buddy. I didn't know about that video. I found out about Knowledgehub's video as I was making this one, and felt bad as he is actually from Toledo. So I reached out to him and had him read the script...and he did btw! Cody is a great guy.

[@HollowHusk]

As someone who lives near Toledo, we’re well aware of this war

[@Alexandra-fz7lk]

I have lived in both states. Born and raised in Metro Detroit. Moved to Ohio just before my 20th birthday. Spent close to 30 years there before moving back to Michigan. They are both nice states.

[@stalkinghorse883]

That was a pretty quick break. Did you wash your hands?

[@iammrbeat]

Don't tell anyone, but I did not. I just used hand sanitizer.

[@PierreaSweedieCat]

@@iammrbeat Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!

[@carultch]

@@iammrbeat Missed opportunity to make a joke about Michigan looking like a hand.

[@greatlakesdoug6121]

I grew up and still live on the border of Michigan and Ohio (just north of Toledo) and this little tidbit of history was taught to us in elementary school. Look up the "Lost Peninsula." Its a little piece of land that is only accessible through Toledo, but is actually part of Michigan even though it's only physically connected to Ohio.

[@joshuamelvin1767]

I grew up in Zanesville, OH. I have never heard of this before now.

[@dianedunkelberger2105]

I grew up in Perrysburg, OH which is along the Maumee River and across the river from the city of Maumee. I am also a descendent of William Austin Burt. Look him up in the history of the UP. I grew up having learned about the Toldeo Strip War. There is more to the story than you shared. I'd also be happy to help you with the pronunciation of Maumee.

[@amandaguzman-moreno3965]

I’m a Michigander but I love hocking hills! Awesome spot

[@violetash9597]

Amanda Guzman-Moreno Agreed!

[@auntkittyhashtag2321]

Michigan here, we got the better deal by far. Our U.P. is breathraking.

[@user-cf6dn5tg4f]

Michigan here, up is a lot of abandoned land

[@auntkittyhashtag2321]

@Tim Smith Hell ya. I'm proud of my Canuck heritage. 7th generation here. Ya got a problem with that idiot?

[@Toolingabout]

It rakes my breath away

[@RestingBitchface7]

Too bad you have to be wealthy to live in the UP...when most of the State is destitute.

[@p7outdoors297]

@Bill Ter Burgh Oof BTW, it's yooper

[@swagchadd6925]

At least up until around a couple of years ago that river was a massive deal for a company called Andersons which transported farm goods to any state that the river touched

[@smacktalk964]

from michigan and living in michigan is the best we have everything except a huge thriving city with over a million people but i love how michigan is laid out

[@joyebriggs]

Michigan got the more valuable deal. Although the UP is closer geographically to Wisconsin. Now it makes sense as to why that bottom part of our shape is irregular.

[@mikebronicki6978]

But did you notice that the Indiana line is even further north than Ohio's?

[@syd7607]

I actually live in toledo and have literally driven through the maumee river, no idea it was important so that's pretty cool

[@justinobambino1199]

It’s so cool seeing that map from the 1835 all those streets are still present in modern day downtown

[@lawsonrohde5712]

Ohio guy here, always been interested in the ohio Michigan war. Cool stuff. It would've been nice if you elaborated more on the Two Stickney incident though

[@cameronh2888]

As the great president Abraham Lincoln said "Thank God for Michigan"

[@michiganscythian2445]

There was also another chapter in the rivalry in 2008-09. Some movie that was supposed to take place in Detroit, was filmed in Cleveland. So there was some snark about Cleveland being run down enough to pass for Detroit. Then some Cleveland rock band wrote a song called “At least we’re not Detroit!” as a riposte. This was around the time Detroit declared bankruptcy too. Plus the rivalry of Cleveland’s early rock scene in the 50s-60s vs. Detroit Motown. Oh, and despite everything bad with Detroit, at least our river doesn’t catch fire. Seriously for those who don’t know. The Cuyahoga River in Cleveland has caught fire many times

[@carlbowles1808]

The river is green and the tap water smells like fish in Youngstown.

[@roguestorm9669]

Eh, so our river caught fire, so we have shitty rappers (cough mgk cough cough) but one thing I will give Cleveland is that it has a wonderful sense of energy. Sure the East side can get a Lil rough in places, but we've also got Little Italy, The Flats (great place to go bar hopping), one of the largest cultural centers in the country, (between the culture gardens, museums, house of blues) as well as some great people. I mean come on if you can put up with the Browns for decades that has gotta show commitment.

[@jjfishman4228]

As someone from MI I'm happy we got the upper peninsula, it's beautiful and a great place to vacation without leaving the state.

[@marpsr]

Ohio State grad here. We used to have bumper stickers that looked like Michigan’s “Go Blue” stickers but ours said “Go Blow.” Also there were bumper stickers saying Muck Fichigan. Having a Michigan sticker on your car was a sure way to get the paint keyed.

[@oldaccount7935]

accidentally clicked this thinking it was a mr beast video but ended up learning a lot 10/10 very nice

[@ryanx9372]

Hi Mr DeVito! I loved "Drowning Mona"!

[@justinberry6160]

You’re in my home town, Toledo! 🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@maggiedoster8582]

Ohioan here, I had never heard of the Toledo war before this. I spent the last 4 years near Toledo for college and went there pretty often. The thought that there was a war over Toledo is honestly pretty funny to me lol also O-H

[@kta0702]

Born and raised in Michigan . Love it to pieces it’s beautiful but I just recently moved to Columbus Ohio for a change of environment. I’ll check back in a few months to let they guys know what I think

[@bonecanoe86]

Holy Toledo!

[@iammrbeat]

Batman. And quality first comment.

[@siamiam]

@@iammrbeat the guy who was stabbed became a holy man

[@michaelschardine3043]

This is so interesting thank you so much for the post! I had no idea! I live in Grand Rapids Michigan currently but originally from Cincinnati Ohio. I love both equally but MI for sure won with having the UP

[@calebgepford7646]

SAY MI IS BETTER SAY IT

[@TheLusaso]

I've lived in both Ohio and Michigan, but am a born and raised Michigander, great video! #GOBLUE〽️

[@moddrrrusky2910]

I can’t believe you said Ohio instead of Ohio State! Anyway good video, had no idea about the war.

[@HerbGamer0]

I think Michigan got the better deal in the end. Though that might have to do with me being from Michigan. Also great video Mr. Beat!

[@iammrbeat]

Thank you so much!

[@BigLobster44]

Agreed for the same reasons, Michiganian’s represent!! 313 for life!!

[@samyentertainment3086]

@@BigLobster44 ayyee

[@travelerofthemultiverse9444]

Agreed. Probably for the same reason. However also we got the larger territory.

[@Ballinbmac]

HerbGamer who wants to be from Ohio? Even lebron left them twice 😂

[@johnnykanogear5607]

The u.p. all day possibly the best land in the country

[@joegarrison5911]

I think parts of Montana, Colorado and California would have something to say about that

[@Buddergolem2525]

Agreed

[@ivanthegreat2.070]

I think the Upper Peninsula should become a state. It would name Yooper, have a legislature elected by proportional representation, a prime minister elected by a five man directory which would act as governor's, and be divided into 3 substrates in the North, South, and Equator.

[@khalilt6508]

Ivan the Great 2.0 I think there should be a North Michigan and South Michigan it would be like the Dakotas and the Carolinas. It would be the Michigan’s Dakotas and Carolinas

[@ivanthegreat2.070]

@@khalilt6508 Alright then, I guess the name Yooper can go.

[@1982kinger]

I was in Michigan for a tigers post season game once and all ppl could talk about was the upcoming Ohio state game with Michigan

[@adamcrofts9903]

I’m from toledo and we had to do a report on history of our area so i used your vid

[@prestonscott3935]

As someone who has lived in both Detroit and Toledo, I find this one quite interesting. I far prefer Michigan. I've experienced a minority in each state with a ferocious dislike toward the other state.

[@karlmohr3748]

Go to the UP and you’ll learn how to hate both

[@ConservatEV]

Born and raised (and still live) in Michigan. Graduated from UofM in fact, and still work there and live in the same county as Ann Arbor. Ohio is about 35 miles or so away. Other than that one Saturday in November I don’t mind them so much. The people in the state who know about the Toledo War tend to live in Monroe County, Toledo was supposed to be theirs. In fact the Monroe County Sheriffs Office was involved besides the militia. Most of the rest of the state doesn’t care about that historical incident, it’s true. The rest of the state sometimes think the people “down river” (from Detroit, which would include Monroe) are a bit odd, lol! Unfair stereotype, but it sticks. Yoopers (those from the upper peninsula) care about it too, many resent being stuck with us lowpers as a result of the Toledo War. They tend to side more with Wisconsin or Illinois (lots of Chicago sports fans!) than Detroit and the rest of Michigan. It’s a different place. I love visiting up there, living up there would be tough! They get like 20 feet of snow in the winter! Oddly enough we tend to get just as cold (if not colder!) as it gets up there but we get way less snow in SE Michigan (lake effect snow rarely reaches this far.)

[@peterf4620]

Michael Pomorski Go Blue! I live in Michigan as well! In the Metropolitan Detroit area. Here’s a fun fact: The majorly of Michigan’s population lives in the metro Detroit area. Roughly around 4 million people. That’s Oakland, Wayne, Macomb counties. Ann Arbor has a lot of people. My brother-law attends UofM. Ann Arbor is my favorite city in Michigan. I love the beautiful Huron river.

[@ConservatEV]

Puppy Cuteness Technically I live in the Metro-Detroit Area (Ann Arbor and it’s surrounding area is the western edge of Metro-Detroit, we watch Detroit stations to get our weather, etc.) I can be in Detroit in an hour really, I just don’t go there very often.

[@peterf4620]

Michael Pomorski Awesome! Yeah, Ann Arbor is apart of metro-Detroit. I’m planning on going to the Michigan football spring game on April 13th.

[@PeruvianPotato]

If you're looking for more state rivalries, you should look at Iowa vs Missouri that went to war with each other in 1839 over their border

[@jeffm9770]

You should do the bridge closure rivalry between NY and NJ

[@DemiGoddess16]

The fun part of being an MSU fan is that we get to hate both teams!

[@trevorbrown3600]

PopPunkPerson and MSU is also so irrelevant they hardly ever get mentioned when it comes to rivalries. Ohio State is rivals with Michigan and Michigan is rivals with Ohio State. And MSU fans say they’re rivals with both but really nobody cares about the "MSU rivalry" as much as the real rival game.

[@DemiGoddess16]

Trevor Brown damn boy take a breath it ain’t that deep 😂

[@LoganJenkins442]

But both teams kinda hate you too

[@coloradopeoplesnews7676]

@@trevorbrown3600 But my Spartans are the only team that has beat the suckeyes in about a decade. What's irrelevant is the team that ALWAYS loses to the suckeyes.

[@coloradopeoplesnews7676]

@@trevorbrown3600 Did you enjoy your 18 point dunking on Sunday? Dunk you very much.

[@makinnak3010]

Oddly you're missing one small thing. University of Michigan's little sister Michigan State University also has a heated rivalry with both U of M and OSU, creating a triangle of "who's better" given the sport of whatever season it is. All three schools are main stays of any given sport (football, basketball, baseball, hockey....ect)

[@drtee51]

Have you ever covered the Honey War, between Missouri and Iowa Territory? (You alluded to it in your Worst Governors video) Or how about the Pig War, between Washington Territory and British Columbia? Ot how about the Conch Republic, down in Florida? Or the Bridge War between Oklahoma and Teas?

[@andrewsutherland133]

I've said this before, but if each state were their own country, it would be interesting to consider which states would've been at war with eachother

[@txyz9294]

Interesting you never mentioned a word about General Anthony Wayne who commanded a Federal militia sent by President Jackson. A main thorough fare in Toledo is still there named after Anthony Wayne called the Anthony Wayne Trail.

[@jrswaney01]

Or the result of the failed federal mission, namely the draining to the Great Black Swamp.

[@thatsatiricalguy1695]

@@jrswaney01 now we have a driving school named after the black swamp

[@thatsatiricalguy1695]

And a school system

[@alexanderlapp5048]

Detroit is in Wayne County. Just thought I'd add something else names after General Wayne.

[@MrZZ-py4pq]

I thought the states was UNITED.

[@iammrbeat]

Before the Civil War, not so much.

[@PierreaSweedieCat]

@@iammrbeat After the Civil War... Not so much either. Due to politics.

[@mathieuleader8601]

DON'T BE SILLY

[@evannfisher737]

@just Bfree No, that's mainly metro Detroit. Oh, and you forgot methheads.

[@talonsage954]

Nope. Not Ohio.

[@roguestorm9669]

Clevelander here; it's a thing here, especially around football season that you don't pronounce the "m" in "Michigan" (also at least we don't have detroit)

[@BZ0905]

Growing up in Northwestern Ohio, you are taught from childbirth to hate 1. The Michigan Wolverines 2. The Detroit Tigers 3. Michigan Drivers

[@MattKremer39]

9:28 Ohio *State* Buckeyes Ohio University is in Athens.

[@Joe-km5ou]

Ohio University is the college that my parents went to and I plan on going to

[@motor594brain]

MICHIGAN GOT THE BEST DEAL!!! (Might be a bit biased, I’m from Grand Rapids MI)

[@wildchaser9892]

I’m in Ohio and I find ways to be biased as much as I can to Ohio but I still think Michigan got the way better deal.

[@chaboi7]

I was born in cleveland but I'm from good ole "grand raggidy" aka "gunru" aka "gunrule"....from the burton heights....

[@angelvenegas483]

I’m live in Holland Michigan like 40 minutes away on Lake Michigan

[@FirstLast-il6ok]

GR!

[@hannahmeixner6616]

Oh hey! I also live in GR but I was born and raised in Columbus, Ohio

[@silentecho4445]

Hi, I was born in Battlecreek, Michigan during the Korean war, at Percy army hospital . Mom was in labor with me which prevented dad going over seas. At the age of 6 weeks we moved to Toledo, ohio, 9 years later started traveling from Ohio to Arizona twice a year, which was very annoying to me....

[@mellisabecky1582]

Hello echo , sorry for intruding your privacy! Where do you live now ???

[@FirstLast-il6ok]

Battle of Phillips Corners was the precursor to the northernmost battle of the civil war, The Battle of Schrute Farm.