Why Millennials Are Leaving Six-Figure Tech Jobs

[@jeremyc4811]

In my experience, burnout comes from realizing that improved performance doesn't produce improved rewards, it produces more work. The response to a job well done is never a couple days off or a timely bonus, instead good work is "rewarded" with the demand for twice as much work in the same amount of time. Firms see young workers as a productivity sponge to be squeezed for all it's worth, young people are almost never treated as the company's future.

[@JLouuuu]

realest comment on the planet.

[@wilproK]

Well said and sadly true.

[@rekhaunni1695]

Very true, that's one of the key reasons why lucrative highly paid jobs don't tempt you anymore once you realise the ground reality

[@shortsbyjim]

thats why im on KZbin and not working

[@kel2808]

thats literally every job unless you become an entrepreneur. A job is a job its gonna be the same for the rest of ur life. its like people at mcdonalds complaining about finish an order and another order comes in. LOL wth is the point of this video.

[@rogerm7922]

I am 50 years old working in the high tech industry, mentally tired and sick of the weekly 8 to 5 routine. Never got a proper day off even through the pandemic. Hats off to the millenials and GenZ that think differently and put more weight on LIVING rather than just WORKING.

[@newzcutter]

I'm in your boat as well.

[@Tubes12AX7k]

I'm in your boat and David's boat as well, although I'm not in programming and tech. I'm in another engineering field. At any rate, what younger people don't realize is how you WILL tire out, or your family will take up more of your time, or you'll begin to develop what might be some inevitable (for some) medical conditions such as arthritis or something you didn't plan on. I'm 50 as well. I'm very carefully watching my neighbors and older family members and I'm seeing some of them get chronic diseases starting slowly in their 50s-60s and definitely popping up by their 70s. A couple of close friends have already passed on from cancer by age 60-62. There's a lot to be said for a 40-50 hour week; life is for living and for all the other things you need to attend to. Considering how short life can be, do you really still want to be working 70hr weeks (rhetorical question).

[@liljohn3152]

@@Tubes12AX7k Excellent analysis. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I'm 29, currently transitioning to tech sales (been in sales all my 20's). I'm used to 60 hour work weeks now. However as I begin to mature and age, I realize more and more that I don't want to keep doing this forever, especially since I'll be starting a family of my own soon. Looking to calm down a little and work 40-50 hours a week. I appreciate reading the insight of someone quit a bit older than me. Makes me think more. Thanks again, have a great day and best wishes to you sir.

[@princeswagger1able]

Quick question. They NEVER gave you at least 3 weeks of PTO he pay two years? Or you had to use use them for life strife (funeral, family business, etc.?)

[@doumkatekz]

Pretty close to same. I really want to travel, and it's always either some place that doesn't give much PTO, or they do but you can't take it because no one else knows your thing, or you plan and plan and get read then suddenly they dispose of you (no no one bitter here not at all) and you have to rush to hunt for a job and can't go because of money, then get a new one that has minimal PTO, or you have to wait months to earn enough PTO for that trip again. Or there is a pandemic. Or war. Or maybe you have kids or sick parents to take care of. I'm really tempted to say screw it all, grab a suitcase and just go before some part or another gives out and traveling by myself will be a lot harder. But then I'd come back with no money, and I have no real fall back.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

We don't want perks. We want more money and we want autonomy. It's simple.

[@JakeSanMartin]

I’m a fan of your channel. Your workplace advice is gold ! 👍🏽👌🏽

[@randomtv7071]

Making over 100k per year Is not enough ha You should work at public school to see if you want more than what you make

[@AaronandAsh]

Of course i want a higher salary but i enjoy the perks and benifits too. They arent mutually exclusive.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

@@AaronandAsh "perks" remove the choice in how money is being spent on you. Give me the money and I'll decide what perks and benefits I want. I don't want to be "company family" or part of "company culture" a job is a job. They use perks as a way to blur the lines between work and personal life to try and make more than what it is. Psychological manipulation. Give me money and flexibility. That's all I want. Look at the results of my work to judge me.

[@matthewsnyder1079]

I thought Id see you here lol

[@tweedle634]

Got into the tech industry 1.6 years ago, have been promoted 3 times and offered multiple positions on multiple different teams. Making great money but realizing MY LIFE IS NOW WORK. I am the person in the friends group who has nothing else to talk about but work, my gf is fed up hearing me talk about work, i am fed up with talking about work. The company squeezes me for every ounce of life and i deal with getting told i have “unlimited vacation” but guilted when i try to take 2 days off. sick and tired of feeling obligated to work evenings and weekends to meet deadlines with no OT… if you are a hard worker in any industry you become a victim of your own success. Sadly prices on everything are increasing at such an astronomical rate we are forced to continue working in these positions and waste our lives away as modern day slaves. I grew up poor and always envied those in these positions with wealth, now i’m realizing they may have been just as dead as me on the inside the only difference is they drove to work in a BMW while i rode the bus.

[@eanhudson2056]

thank you for this post, this is how I'm feeling right now.

[@AntonSlizzardhands]

I heard tech companies want the office to feel like home b/c they never want you to leave work.

[@mrsmuertabiotches]

Yup!

[@NewBlueTrue]

I had a job tell me that when I was interviewing with them

[@yt_nh9347]

Im working from home at my own pace making 160k a year as an engineer so really depends where you work but i assure you top end tech companies are far from the worst conditions lol

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

They put a keg at mine. Right in the entrance, to be rolled in after work hours.

[@gabrielferrer3205]

@@yt_nh9347 I would rather work in tech than in the sweat shop. We have no right to complain.

[@aliali-ce3yf]

seems like these tech companies are counting on burnout and turnover, and they have a never ending supply of fresh graduates who will leap at the chance to take the job and they'll have the latest knowledge/skills - burn out after 4-5 yrs, rinse/repeat

[@Kevinschart]

it goes to show how much money there is. If a company pays you $150k you can bet they made $450k or more off of you. What if you struck out on your own and generated the $150k by working for yourself. This is the hard thing for most people to grasp, including me.

[@sponkmcdonk3898]

You hit the nail on the head

[@yt_nh9347]

Grads don't have the latest technology or skills because universities are far behind industry in the innovative space that is tech. Having said that, every grad will jump at the opportunity to work at facebook/google etc. Because it will give them skills and brand value that will set them up for life

[@davidhawley1132]

@@Kevinschart Don't forget VC money.

[@redwolfexr]

@@davidhawley1132 VCs are in it to MAKE money.

[@luker7875]

You make a ton of money with no time to spend it. You look forward to the end of a project to have some room to breathe only to have a new project waiting at your desk. The perfect recipe for burnout.

[@temich1985]

Work like Japanese. If you get a week long project, make a gantt chart for it and extend it to make it a month’s long. Hence you will still be “seemed” as a busy bee

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

@@temich1985 You got me in the 1st half, lol. I was about to say Gantt is incredibly inefficient

[@mandisaw]

I don't understand this idea at all. As you move up the ranks, you are expected to juggle multiple projects - that's the standard path of any growing career. Learning to manage shifting priorities is a critical skill, especially in tech.

[@temich1985]

@@mandisaw it should be called not multitasking but ability to do super fast switchtasking

[@Kevinschart]

@@temich1985 yeah multi tasking doesn't really exist. a human can only do one thing at a time.

[@arminzamankhan6042]

That’s literally every single corporate job. Not sure why CNBC would single out the “tech” industry and feature a group of people who have already achieved what thousands of young people can only dream about.

[@chavezchavo]

Because big tech companies are highly regarded as the almost-perfect workplace.

[@realgod4937]

@@chavezchavo fo sho

[@mucha9196]

@@chavezchavo whoever said that has never worked for a energy company

[@smith-marsette2721]

Corporate jobs are easy. They do half the amount of work if anything with deadlines two or three times as long.

[@jtipale]

Leaving a well paying job like that is still a privilege for many...

[@wwlee5]

It occurs everywhere including Asia. A high paying job let's say in Vietnam, China, or Taiwan that pays 24k USD is actually very good and above median income, but we still see people leaving because of burn-out, curiosity, or fear (I.T., procurement, finance, and admin assistant and I've seen this too many times already). I was hired and replaced two people who joined and left within a few months because they found the work inundating which I understand would be if you aren't efficient at work -- but it's typical for people in my field to not be efficient.

[@ericy.2108]

No one is saying it’s not ?? Idk why’d you want to set your standards based on the lowest common denominator

[@HopingTree]

I’m sure these folks appreciate that fact immensely but it doesn’t make it any better.

[@richardshipe4576]

@@TrvisXXIII most simply dont want them

[@enriquejaimes3368]

It is definitely a privilege as it is clean water and food.

[@marieovergaard4189]

As someone who used to work 80 hours a week, quitting my job to become a freelancer was the best thing I have ever done. Sure I still work a lot of hours and often close to 70-80 hrs a week, I feel like I am doing this for myself and not some corporation.

[@beastmasterbg]

I was thinking doing freelancing but I am just scared to do my own taxes and manage buisness accounts etc. Is it hard ?

[@TheSandsplash]

I am sorry but freelancing is more stress, less social life and more responsibilities. That's my take.

[@sunshineb7006]

What do u do?

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

That sounds satisfying.

[@djgulston]

I could never. I don't care how much I love my work. That is slavery. 70-80 hours a week? Dude... that is madness.

[@wowdoge8973]

“If you don't find a way to make money while you sleep, you will work until you die.” - Warren Buffett

[@dim9753]

But I want to work until I die. I love my job, and without it, life would be so dull. Such a shame my peers think work is such a punishment

[@klacsanzky77]

Funny thing is, Warren is still working and he is 90 years old.

[@nickjohnson2640]

@@dim9753 you have a career not a job then. Imagine if you had 10k a month in passive income though. I doubt you would still work when you could spend 100% of your time with your family.

[@TheRealDeborahR]

@@nickjohnson2640 some jobs are fun and can be some only means to a social life 🤷‍♀️

[@lqserss]

@@nickjohnson2640 If I'm making $10 million a year, I wouldn't care. Working gives you something to do, and even with $10 mil I'd still try new startups, run companies, etc.

[@edithg3798]

You either work to live or live to work. This heavily resonated with me and it forces myself to not overwork myself or fall for the emotional traps that companies might portray to staff.

[@vegetossgss1114]

Totally! Work is important for us and for the overall society. However, working 5 days a week during 40 years or more is too much. Gen Z want a better work/personal balance and more free time to enjoy life (and participate to the economy through consumption, as stores, cinemas and restaurants usually make most of their sales during the week end). That's why the best answer, in my humble opinion, is to propose to all workers the possibility to switch toward a 4 days week work, as some European countries are currently experimenting. This should concern blue collar jobs as well as white collar jobs, even in prestigious industries such as consulting and finance. This 4 days a week schedule can take different forms, and result in a reduction of the monthly salary, or not. Personally, I would easily accept a stimulating and challenging job with a 4 days per week schedule, even if I have a 20% lower compensation. It is worth it, and I'll be highly motivated in the long run.

[@NickUngerer]

"Compare that to ... physicians, only 42% said they were burned out" - Yes, indeed, a perfectly acceptable percentage.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Lol...show me a physician that isn't burned out. Just yesterday, my wife burned her finger while making quesadilla. That's 100% of physicians in our household burned out.

[@CARNALGAS_TANGAS]

@@WoodcraftBySuman that's a knee slapper

[@bsarioz]

Physicians also average like how much money a year and how many hours a day at work? It is not acceptable, but perfectly understandable for physicians, sadly.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

@@bsarioz physicians spend how much more time in schooling? How much more money in schooling? How many hours working at their job? When you factor that in, they don’t make much money at all. Perhaps 20+ yrs ago, it was a bit more worthwhile. Nowdays, the financial proposition isn’t really there.

[@JohnThePA]

I saw it as them taking a profession with a knowing high-burnout rate and saying tech workers are even higher. Not that any of those percentages were okay.

[@Morrocanprincess]

People are realizing they shouldn't sell their souls to soulless corporations and time is FINITE

[@HackersSun]

@George Ross sadly better said...

[@gastonemoschin4337]

@George Ross u wouldnt be on a website commenting right now. nor would u even have half the great tech u have today. The problem with tech is that it creates fixes for old problems and creates new ones we have yet to realize yet.

[@MsElke11]

especially for women with a biological clock ticking. I don't think ENTREPRENEURSHIP can replace motherhood yet!

[@eneco3965]

@@gastonemoschin4337 Yep, creating a problem and selling the solution is very profitable

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

@@gastonemoschin4337 We would have more open source software because the good devs would have more time to contribute to it.

[@stickshiftt9127]

I tell people my tech job is like this: imagine running a race as hard as you possibly can only to reach the end of your race and realize you next race already started. It's stressful

[@jonjeskie5234]

Well that's the truth for entrepreneurship also 🤔

[@pradeepraghuraman4430]

That's why you have to pace yourself. Since you're not getting paid overtime, you have to decide how much work you can complete in a day and do that work for the day. Unfortunately a lot of people get into the habit of trying to finish a project as quickly as possible so they end up work 12+ hours a day and burn themselves out. These are the people who are complaining about having to do a new project after they worked overtime everyday to complete a project.

[@jeradkiester698]

You should lecture about hard work to underwater welders and coal mining workers.

[@balthorpayne]

@@jeradkiester698 Or everyone can respect everyones discipline because the world doesn't function without all of us doing what we do.

[@jeradkiester698]

@@balthorpayne you are correct. The world would stop turning without Silicon Valley jobs.

[@y0utuberculosis]

I'm definitely seeing a lot more of this now that I'm a senior engineer compared to when I was a junior. They say, "take your vacation! come to this gaming hour! have fun!" but at the end of the day the project is still gonna be due friday.

[@manoftomorrow5987]

Well duh...

[@AvadaKedavra4172]

Yeah, but every high paying, coveted role is supposed to come with a catch. Computer Science, Quant, Law, Medicine, and Pharm are all lucrative with different levels of stress, but the general theme is you're going to at least be somewhat pressured to perform on deadlines. Like, it's a job, ofc it is this way. You wanna cry about it? I don't understand what is to bemoan about when having such a job is an achievement people dream of getting.

[@hellryderplayz1854]

@@AvadaKedavra4172 I find it quite interesting that you have mentioned quants, because I feel like that is one of the more underrated careers. Like sure, basically everyone knows it earns you 6 figures, but that's a huge understatement. If you're an ivy league math or cs graduate, most people would think that a job in one of the top tech firms would be the best paying job with that degree, whereas many hedge funds often pay upwards of 500k a year as a full compensation to 21 year old college graduates with no work experience. Not only that, after about 5 years of working this job, you could literally retire and live off of your multi-million dollar portfolio earning 6 figures for the rest of your life working perhaps once a day every week to manage your portfolio. It is quite criminally underrated how extremely lucrative this career is. There are many more aspects that make this i'd say one of the best career paths one could take, but the aforementioned points are perhaps enough for that claim.

[@hellryderplayz1854]

​@@AvadaKedavra4172 About the layoff culture, i have kind of known the opposite. Don't top quant funds such as rentech and 2 sigma make sure that their employees do not go and work for competitors, often making them sign NDA's and allowing them to invest in exclusive funds such as the medallion fund? From what I know, the funds that pay 400-500k a year to college graduates are also the ones who fight the hardest to retain them? I am not too sure about the general hedge fund culture since that isn't in my realm of expertise, but I know this about top quant funds from 2nd hand experience. Let me know if I'm wrong.

[@asadb1990]

@@manoftomorrow5987 well its not that simple. in my approach, if employer introduces any task that involves me leaving my desk, im not working more hours to finish it. all activities come out of the 40h per week.

[@ThaiIsland]

Job burnout with high pay vs job burnout with low pay. The former has the luxury to quit whereas the latter fear losing their job. So for the elite group it’s a norm and not a shocker that they’re leaving 6 figure pay.

[@Venmanayan]

Or job that pays ok and no burnout. There are options always

[@Randomconsiderations]

My thoughts exactly.

[@yourfavpersuasion9385]

@@Venmanayan pays okay but have no problem firing you over the smallest thing

[@mirandataylor6385]

I never had burnout at non-tech jobs, but I also couldn’t pay the bills.

[@nesq4104]

Real facts!

[@Ch-arizard-f]

Lol - “Why Millenials are leaving six-figure tech jobs” Videos Answer: “To start companies and hopefully make 7 figures”

[@salumeriabellaitalia3071]

U

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

talk about kicking the inflation wrecked job to the curb and aiming for something that's unlikely to succeed the desperation is real

[@underscrutinyallnight]

Lol

[@u13erfitz]

@@therearenoshortcuts9868 yes to an extent but all these make more than is needed to support themselves and their family. Once you reach a certain amount of salary it’s about what you do not what you make.

[@elleobi]

did we watch the same video?

[@virginandho1191]

I think the pandemic has taught people the importance of multiple streams of income unfortunately having a job doesn’t mean security

[@elizabethantonaccio3835]

i lost my job with Qatar Airways in 2018 went into debt started investing 2019 and paid off all of it via profits off investing before pandemic. Investing is a great choice I made.

[@simonralph6302]

I lost my job too and got into investing I am patient and hopeful, watching a lotta investment videos and keeping my head up waiting for all this to be over and the markets back to normal

[@andreashallow7785]

I got laughed at when I started trading. I was burnt out, needed a change, but wasn't expecting to be laughed out of the office when I mentioned my interest in investing in the financial market. Well, a few years later and $5.3 million in savings, I'm the one laughing now. Friends want to know exactly what my strategy is 😂😭

[@clintonsparks8431]

@@andreashallow7785 I recognize hard work when I see it, I am new and in need of guidance, I have a more than a handsome amount to invest into the stock market but with the right guidance.

[@andreashallow7785]

@@clintonsparks8431 As a beginner, I took a more practical step to learn to invest, I began through the guidance of a financial consultant and within 2 years, I have owned 2homes in the United states and car dealership all with the an investment capital of $150,000 so it is best to invest with the help of a professional.

[@Stranger_In_The_Alps]

People don’t quit their jobs. They quit their managers and bosses.

[@levineakampa9432]

From a personal perspective, that's true.

[@swatimansharamani]

So true ✨

[@nonamehere9658]

Wait, is this LinkedIn? Commenting for better reachability just in case, kappa!

[@reggiebenson9172]

Right - evil bosses are scum and always cause a high turnover.

[@kamw73]

100% true

[@wing3789]

I feel like these companies don't expect life long workers. They're constantly looking for new blood to add new ideas and energy to the teams. Which is probably more ideal than the "work for a pension" model imo. Retention expectations is probably just around 4-5 years. Then people are empowered to pursue their own life fulfillment.

[@jtt1928]

very true...they try to force you out once you get over about 35, unless you are being groomed for senior manager, architect, director, etc. I experienced that at a large healthcare IT company...15 years was enough for me and I left good rittens....

[@vickyyyy]

@@jtt1928 riddance, baby, riddance

[@wing3789]

@@jtt1928 and that's probably not everyone's aspirations either,to be in management. If someone gets 5 years of 150k and able to save half and invest it in their early 30s, they're basically set. Do some freelancing from there on while having more autonomy to pursue hobbies or make memories with family. Count me in.

[@brodobroggins]

@@wing3789 150k TC for 5 years is not enough to make you set. Especially with Bay Area rent/housing and cost of living. Maybe 300k TC for 10 years depending on how much you’re comfortable with retiring and how well your RSUs grew.

[@vancitycanucks]

Avg tech attrition is 18 months

[@BradLongCo]

There comes a point when "perks" become absolutely meaningless. I'd rather have a life than a bunch of nonsense "perks". These are ALL the reasons I left the corporate cult and started "my own thing".

[@greenthumb6241]

Im a Certified Tax Accountant for 6 years, I perk the coffee pot! Im also a Self Preordained Minister, I can Bless You Brother! I can tell you your Star Chart Ive read 5 books on Self Hypnotism, My degree is in selling used cars 15 years! Sign Painting an Interior Decor is a Unique Specialty, Im usually up all night an sleep half the day, Main Priority is my Cats! Living Free is my Choice! an Yoga Could I sell you a car!

[@DerDudelino]

Gotta admit though that in Germany I really miss those perks. US companies take insanely good care of their employees - they have chefs that often deliver restaurant quality food, swimming pools, physician teams and in one company I could even book a personal trainer after work. They really do a lot to keep people active and healthy which is smart and important because people tent to eat a lot in Silicon Valley. You walk the campus and you could literally get a snack every ten meters :O)

[@cable30]

If perks dont keep u happy for any reason then u gotta do somehting that makes u happy anytime.

[@jayg1438]

@@DerDudelino This is ideal, but applies to maybe 10% of the US workforce. Remember that Americans work more hours and days than almost any other workforce in the world. There is a bit of a joke among well traveled Americans that wherever you go in the world you will bump into a German because they all have 6 weeks or so of vacation/ paid time off!

[@brandonburns5365]

@Highlandadhd I think we found the company snitch 😂😂😂

[@mgh62000]

03:55 "Physicians ONLY 42% of whom said that they felt burnt out." That's still a lot! This isn't the misery Olympics.

[@raphael52]

That's only because of Covid. But doctors are overpaid. For 15 minutes of advise, they make over $250K. Either that or they are ripping people off and getting away with it.

[@AYTA-mi5pb]

@@raphael52 unfortunate 250k for physicians is barely enough to cover living costs until they are in their 40s due to high cost of education and interest accumulating in 10 years of education, by then they need to start saving for retirement and they are 20 years behind their peers, since they are paid lower than minimum wage during training, the whole system needs to change.

[@treidkr3]

@@raphael52 Covid isn’t the only reason healthcare workers are burnt out. I’m not just talking about physicians. Hospital environments, politics, corporate bs, etc. are other contributing factors. People have no idea how inglorious healthcare is to work in oftentimes because of these things.

[@raphael52]

@@AYTA-mi5pb If you can not live off of $250k+ a year you got bigger issues. Regardless of the student loans. You have lower income individuals making it work with an income of just under $100K living in an expensive, overpriced city like In New York, DC , CA, etc. While still able to pay their student loans. So like I said. If you cannot make $250K work, you got spending problem. Much bigger problems.

[@raphael52]

@Tom Goretzka not sure what numbers you are looking at. But the average doctor makes $250K. That's on the low end in the US.

[@melforddavidson6156]

I quit my job as an Engineer last Two years ago after almost 12 years in the field. It was not an easy decision, but life is too short to dread going to work everyday. No amount of money can buy real happiness Lol 😁 but friends I'm not asking you to resign from your job or Abandon your business but be wise!

[@proactivethinker8179]

I don't like my Job but I love what it provides for me and my family. This pandemic has people rethinking and working

[@melforddavidson6156]

@Vargas Mendez While I was still in service I planned towards early retirement,my first income I do a normal 9-5, my second income I put it back to work more money because I'm not just after money but the freedom to live on my terms Lol.

[@melforddavidson6156]

@Miles Cooper yes I was able to make about 2/3k weekly as extra income from my investing trying so much to build more side hustles and extra income.

[@melforddavidson6156]

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[@melforddavidson6156]

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[@australianpanda2713]

I feel like a lot of this boils down to unrealistic expectations. At the end of the day a job is a job. 99% aren’t getting to solve complex problems AND make 200k out of college.

[@sponkmcdonk3898]

Unrealistic expectations of the employer as well. False promises, high demands and the pay usually doesn’t catch up with the work

[@kez99]

Right, only a few get to work on the cool projects.

[@babatundeonabajo]

@@kez99 Speaking from experience, even "cool" projects have a huge element of drudgery on them. I think people need to have realistic expectations that they won't be finding the cure for cancer everyday.

[@ScottH.]

Making a decent salary in corporate America means they basically own you. Salary was a give away to big business so they didn't have to pay overtime. Working 70 hour weeks is far too common in the tech industry and after awhile you just feel like you're being taken advantage of. Poor leadership is another issue I've experienced in almost every tech job I've ever had as well. Nobody likes to be told what to do by some egomaniac with a shiny new title.

[@babatundeonabajo]

@@ScottH. By definition, if you earn a so-called "decent salary" but working long hours, you aren't earning a lot...you are earning little because you don't get paid much by hour (which is the more appropriate measure in this case). You can't earn a decent salary and then say but the hours are long....it's a contradiction in terms....no more different than working at McDonalds in the morning and KFC in the evening.

[@love2CUsmile86]

When you're young, you use health to earn money. When you're old, you use money to buy health.

[@mefford67]

*So you’re screwed if you’ve got type 1 diabetes as a kid?* 😬

[@hipstajohnyy2033]

and when you are dead, you use the coffin to get sleep

[@SiddharthSinghFiery69]

That's what it's all about. The stupid circle of life as governed by the society. You remain a slave to money and that's exactly where happiness feels bound. There's never really a feeling of total freedom and so the real happiness is never felt by most human beings. The fault is the system itself. The society, the governments who control the lives of everyone via money. Happiness cannot be bought by money. It's not a commodity. This is what people fail to realise. 'Money cannot buy happiness' is a 100% true saying.

[@habibawurie7985]

“Millennial psychotherapist”? I love the job titles people give themselves now

[@habibawurie7985]

Also, Morgan Debaum what’s your skincare routine? 😂😂

[@kuhluhOG]

or instead of "janitor" you get "facility manager"

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

I cringe when anyone includes "Ninja" or "Enthusiast" or "Facilitator" in their job title.

[@josetheman239]

@@hubertcumberdale2651 "Data Scientist" still makes me a bit cringe actually. I call myself a data analyst.

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

@@josetheman239 there's literally a "science" to everything we do that we know to be real. I agree, it should be so self-evident it doesn't even need to be mentioned. lol

[@NadyaPena-01]

I’m a Software developer. I understand the struggle but us tech workers should count our lucky stars. We are very privileged to be where we are. Most jobs outside of tech have less perks, much lower pay, and more stress. I am grateful everyday to be in this field. Once I accumulate enough wealth to purchase my freedom, I’ll see myself out.. maybe. In the meantime, I will run the race as long as I have to.

[@user-qy6tu9ip9v]

Can you give me(an absolute begineer) advice on becoming a software engineer? I don't feel like I'm smart enough.

[@NadyaPena-01]

@@user-qy6tu9ip9v I am not that smart either. What helped me succeed in this field was majoring in computer science in college. I majored in computer science and did the best i could (which was average). Even if you don't get top grades, just practice writing code and engineering systems and you're good. You don't have to be great or brilliant. Having the CS degree and knowing the fundamentals of software development and coding is enough to get your foot through the door.

[@sindyarenas5758]

The fact we have to purchase our freedom like we’re slaves smh

[@lefromthecity]

Yep, I’m working as an engineer in construction…😂 tons of very smart people working constantly for maybe a third of the tech salaries and no perks, no bonuses either just basic insurance benefit packages and only major holidays off.

[@gamingwithasif6563]

@@NadyaPena-01 can u give me some suggestions please like how can i start like html,css, JavaScript and then what else.

[@omkar6107]

They quit because they can afford to. It's simple

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

Mostly as companies don't allow career break or sabbaticals these days. Some of these burned out workers would be retained if they were allowed to take some time off unpaid with their job available to come back to after they rest up.

[@priscillayg]

@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 agreed! I wish more companies allowed sabbaticals or some sort of long term break. I haven't seen any tech companies offer this even though it would be a really beneficial perk for people.

[@enriquejaimes3368]

Exactly! Why would you eat cheap fast food when you can afford a healthy meal in a nice place? Unfortunately most people don't have option so they just don't understand.

[@kh9242]

‘Mom and dad helped me’ I have heard it a billion times. Bunch of privileged brats

[@johncam8420]

"They can afford to" sure. You can also afford to live on minimum wage, you dont have to be a miserable slave to live life. That is just a misconception of a bunch of money chasers like you.

[@jestahjava4255]

I have a high paying tech job that I’m about to leave. I feel incredibly blessed and privileged to have had it, even though I worked hard to get to where I am. I was promoted very fast after 5 years. I know it’s something many people would love to have and honestly I’m happy that someone else who has worked hard will get my spot. Ultimately I became burnt out and just need some time to reset my life. I have lived humbly, saved every thing I could, paid off debts as quickly as possible, and have enough to live for 8 months to a year. I’m hoping to come back into the industry as a healthier employee or have found something else fulfilling. For anyone wishing they had one of these jobs or feel frustrated by people that appear to be complaining, I hope you achieve your dream and get one. You can do it, keep at it! Taking one of these jobs to be financially secure is a blessing. I am taking a break because my mental health and stress hospitalized me (don’t let that scare you, I just have my own personal stuff too 😄).

[@reignvry6725]

Wishing you the best 🙏🏿

[@princeswagger1able]

Wishing you a good reset bro! I aim to get these jobs but I work insane hours rn and understand why someone would need a reset regardless of pay. The biggest pro is that if it wasn’t paying so well you’d feel trapped as no way to save enough to maybe take a much lighter job and have savings to supplement while you recuperate.

[@shortsbyjim]

hey it has been 9 months how are you doing?

[@jestahjava4255]

@@shortsbyjim So much better! I ended up taking 5 months off to dedicate to myself and it was amazing. I haven’t had this clear of a head in so long. I eventually found a new job in the same line of work, but it’s a brand new environment and a healthy one. It was a bit stressful to do interviews again but not the worst. For anyone that’s thinking about doing a similar thing, and if it makes financial sense for you to do so, I HIGHLY recommend it. I want to figure out how to do more “micro retirements” in the future.

[@Timot.]

@@jestahjava4255 great to hear! What kind of job do you have? Software engineer?

[@Eric-bh7jy]

That's every corporate job.. Work, work, work..

[@spillthetruth5898]

and more work

[@CTimmerman]

Or waiting for another assignment after your proposals are shot down.

[@dualfluidreactor]

sooo you are more of a fan of limited liabilites companies.

[@mostlikely...]

Correct

[@Emerald707]

@@zeeshanfaiez2075 what is your alternative?

[@requiem5179]

As someone in IT for 15 years this is accurate. I burned myself out of my high salary corporate job this Spring. I just resigned and don't even have a new job. I don't care either. 2020 put hours on us most couldn't comprehend. On the one hand I was grateful to still have a job during hard times but on the other; it raised the question what do you want out of life? Life experiences and good health are far more important than a pile of money when you look back on your life. I'm taking 6 months off and living extremely modest with what little possessions I held onto in storage. I didn't work from home last year. I was inside 3 empty offices upgrading our infrastructure so everyone else could stay working at home. I also can tell you when people leave the company there's a brief pause at best then you will be replaced and forgotten. It's a cold robotic industry.

[@myothercarisadelorean8957]

Doing IT for just over 10 years now and completely agree with you.

[@YouAdii]

You said: I was inside 3 empty offices upgrading our infrastructure so everyone else could stay working at home. I dont know you, but thank you. Take it easy, bro, enjoy.

[@PeterAlhussein]

"cold robotic industry", god this is so true

[@keemiel4005]

Thanks for making it possible for people like me to work from home during this time!

[@ajsap8160]

I think the difference is the ability to quit and not care. Without that high paying salary that isn't possible for most people

[@stefanwolf8558]

Why people leavve their tech jobs: Coding for 10-14 hours a day will make you lose your mind. It's a high stress environment.

[@timothytim1053]

Would you mind elaborating a bit? I code for fun and have thought about coding as a career, but then again, coding all day on things you don´t really care about sounds like a nightmare. Never-ending problems to solve while you have little to say about the project as a whole.

[@jonathan-3008]

@@timothytim1053 ditto

[@i_am_acai]

if you can get six figures, you can also job hop easily to a lower stress job

[@x2tb]

IMHO salary is new the slavery. These places think they own you because they give you a paycheck. I got let go from a position less than three months after working 72 hours non-stop because they couldn't schedule jobs effectively. I can assure you my replacement wouldn't do that 72 hour shift for their family let alone the company. I didn't even get overtime or any compensation for doing that.

[@Bambotb]

Exactly

[@RosaPerez]

Big tech wants employees to make their job their entire life. That’s not a life to live. I talk about my job on my channel.

[@cryptohouse1676]

I feel it is like that in every decent paying job.

[@RosaPerez]

@@cryptohouse1676 It really is.

[@ak47ava]

100%. You get mentally burnedout.

[@RosaPerez]

@likexbread of course, money talks!

[@RosaPerez]

@@cryptohouse1676 you’re right :(

[@SamLui]

As nice as the perks are, I find it can be easy to fall into a tech bubble and maybe even lose touch of reality. And at the end of the day, it’s still a job.

[@miriamstrauss]

Amen to this!

[@KaushikBala333]

And you are just making them billions while you have the potential to do so yourself.

[@yangchen0422]

Totally agree, just look at on blind how many people are cry over their over 200k TC with only 4 YoE, totally out of touch.

[@joeyhyland]

This is why all the tech companies should give their employees the choice to work remotely. It lets a job just be what it is-a job. It doesn’t have to define you.

[@RonCecchetti]

when you say lose touch with reality, what do you mean?

[@sophien5416]

I worked a low paying tech job for six years and still felt the burn out. The problem is that tech is very fast paced and competition focused. You can barely keep up. Though I got promoted regularly, my higher ups told me the truth before they left, they said that I was severely underpaid based on my skills (essentially I branded myself a one stop shop for the marketing department as I am both technically knowledgeable, people oriented and strategic). I maxed out at $50K. So I decided to jump ship with little planned. Now I run a financial agency with my husband and we make $250K a year as entrepreneurs and we have the freedom to set our own lifestyle.

[@xyzmediaandentertainment8313]

What does your financial agency do?

[@sophien5416]

@@xyzmediaandentertainment8313 we help families and businesses secure and grow their money. Everything from risk management (insurances) to investments. We also have built a strong partner network to advise them on various things that affect them long term like education, estate planning, mortgages and taxes. In my country, financial literacy is not taught in schools, so there is a big demand for our style of coaching.

[@victor_lar]

@@sophien5416 Something like a Ponzi scheme?

[@zakyvids6566]

@@sophien5416 wow that’s amazing is there anyway I can reach out to you

[@AshleyJohnson-fk1ut]

@@victor_lar you don’t know what a Ponzi scheme is, do you?

[@DebraJohnson]

Burnout is real in any demanding/ high- paying job but you can usually take a break or switch jobs. Entrepreneurship can also lead to burnout because you can’t “clock out” like a job and now you have to invest in the business, find clients, serve them and turn a profit.

[@ye23.]

Yeah but at least with the entrepreneurship you can set your own hours. And it’s usually something you’re passionate about so it doesn’t feel like work

[@saahensharma1740]

And the most important part that you work for yourself and all the effort that you put in goes towards a profit for you and not a big tech company

[@larabraver]

I’m a medical doctor in Texas and just quit my job due to burnout. But I also reached FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early) as a single, African American mom at age 41 a year ago so I plan to craft my own schedule moving forward. 🤲🏼🙏🏽

[@fritzdeuces]

@@ye23. Yes entrepreneurship is much more fullfilling esp if it works out.

[@bigpoppa4094]

@@ye23. set your own hours and you are probably going to have to work 70 hour weeks

[@michellemarie1197]

It's still better than working a minimum wage job without any of those "perks" I'd LOVE to be able to have a job where I can work from home, and also have job security and making good money, these are jobs where you can work if you are disabled, become older, or if you're pregnant, which is something you need to consider imo when you are looking at careers

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

And don't forget that some companies can still fire pregnant women.

[@helenatube]

It's all about perspective right? Also, a lot of techies are sensitive, highly intelligent people who want to live a rich, purposeful life and not just make a good salary working on things they don't care about, or steeped in toxic work politics, etc. Ironically, the people who tend to be satisfied with just a cushy income and perks, are not usually the ones who succeed in an innovation-based tech industry.

[@Sadude13]

@@helenatube People just want more, the best 'job' is being a trust fund baby. period. LOL. Until then, people will always want more, people earning minimum wage, want these tech jobs, people earning 6 figure incomes want something else. LOL. it will never end.

[@bigpoppa4094]

@@Sadude13 I think most of these people are trust fund kids that have been fed a silver spoon all their lives. Most FAANG’s hire from the ivy leagues. Most kids at ivy leagues come from prep high schools that cost a ton to go to

[@billybeemus3929]

@@bigpoppa4094 - This video isn't just about Facebook, Google and the rest. This is how it is at all large corporations with internal IT and development groups. We hire people from all schools. Burn-out is rampant. That one lady summed it up perfectly. Because we work in sprints, there is never any rest. You perform heroic acts to meet the current deadline, just to be handed another impossible deadline at the next sprint planning meeting.

[@Ja50nkAt]

Six figures is the new middle class in Cali and New York.

[@lferram1647]

Most places

[@BatmanisBatman]

@@lferram1647 It's still upper class in most places by far but cali, new york, hawaii cost of living is stupid high.

[@lferram1647]

@@BatmanisBatman in Florida where I live and Washington State where we moved from, six figures is middle class. But yes, I’m sure there are some places where that would still be considered upper class, in the south or Midwest perhaps.

[@traceford4904]

You'd live like a king here in North Carolina.

[@ahndrayuh]

Add DC to this list.

[@T1Oracle]

These companies want your soul. All the perks in the world isn't going to give you back all the hours you poured into building someone else's dream.

[@RaghavRastogi1997]

A tech guys PTSD is Microsoft Teams ringtone 😂

[@TheAshotovich]

the best and most under rated comment on YT

[@ToDahRANDOMOBILE]

Oh my GOD seriously!!!

[@pc1x1]

Its funny but not funny, I seriously hate that thing. May need to customize it lol

[@og_LionKingGaming]

Microsoft teams and outlook notification 😤

[@Kmac55555]

Slack message noise notification

[@sumtingwong8768]

"why a small portion of millennials who want even more than 6 figure salaries left their tech jobs, but still stayed in tech and might get their job back later" should be the title.

[@mandisaw]

I think they're kidding themselves about being able to jump back in anytime. The longer you're away, the less likely it is that the prior company will want to bring you back, plus often your skills or salary take a hit.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

@@mandisaw new jobs, and new segments of the industry's pop-up. And it's not like you're not doing anything in between, and who's to say that most of them would go back? The whole point of America is to be able to build your own thing

[@mandisaw]

@@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel Nope, the "whole point of America" varies wildly from person-to-person. Most folks just want a safe, comfortable life, for themselves, and their children, if any. A desire for entrepreneurship, especially over the long-term, is actually quite rare.

[@michaellawrence1601]

@@mandisaw maybe that’s the problem real innovation is your own.

[@mandisaw]

@@michaellawrence1601 In my experience, I've found that innovation, and the ability to implement & monetize that innovation, don't coincide nearly as often as folks might think/like. Ideas are actually quite cheap & plentiful, especially in tech - the issue is can you turn an idea into a successful, sustainable business. No shame in trying - or in doing the assessment and deciding not to try.

[@mirandataylor6385]

I quit last month. I wasn’t able to recover from the burnout this time. Plus it doesn’t really feel like 6 figures when you’re spending $2500+ for a 1 bedroom, $800 on food a month and the cost of living is so high.

[@johncam8420]

Yup they dont mention that these salaries are in the most expensive places in the world lmao, 60% of the salary is already gone, not to mention car payments and car insurance.

[@clarissamcpigeon7857]

@@johncam8420 Same in London. If you move out from London by just 45 minutes, you can easily find yourself in a situation where you lost 15% of your London salary yet still end up with more disposable income and a cheaper, better house. Go even further away and you can manage this on as little as 60% of your original London earnings.

[@marcusmaynard1526]

That’s what happens when our US is debt and everytime we print money it’s actually just owed the the federal reserve.

[@briancheng8243]

$800 a month on food? That’s a lot of dining out

[@mirandataylor6385]

@@briancheng8243 I bought 15 times at the grocery store yesterday and that was $70 (might last for 4 days).My husband has dietary needs because of his gastritis (no processed foods) and we hardly eat out. You can assume all you want, but $800 is hit EASILY in this area after feeding a husband and twins.

[@BuzzLiteBeer]

Tech has it's issues, but the broader problem is with American work culture in general. We are second only to Japan and maybe China in terms of toxic work cultures with an obsession with productivity and consumerism over mental health, and happiness. I don't see this changing anytime soon, so you need to either search hard for the right employer/industry within the US or move to another country.

[@gamegamer9523]

I feel the same way in the high school I attend which is among the top 10% in Illinois. I learned why it is among the top 10% for a reason, The expectations, competitiveness and productivity of this school is really high. It is taking its toll on me. And consuming my mental health.

[@darkrealm9136]

@@gamegamer9523 I go to the top school in my state in Australia bs I feel the EXACT same way, it’s destroying every persons mental health, one day I’ll get out of the west

[@niveditakrishna2447]

India is similar, I used to thing us is better😢

[@maamiimii]

As a person who comes from a poor background and recently got into big tech I can empathize with their feelings of burnout but I don't understand the whole "My work didn't energize me!" types of arguments. It's a job. It's not going to always be the most energetic soul-fulfilling thing out there but you do it so you can survive. Maybe it's because I have no safety net aside from the work I do that leads me to think this way, idk. Overall I totally understand leaving a job for a better job but their arguments for why seem a little weird to me.

[@tola6327]

Everyone has their own level of BS they can tolerate. It took me 10 years working very crappy finance jobs before I had so much burnout I switched to working at a university since I couldn't take it anymore. Everyone's different.

[@issasecretbuddy]

in the tech industry, most of us have the cash on hand not to be desperate for work. by the time you're a senior engineer, you should have enough of a safety net to take at least a year off without breaking a sweat. you spend your whole career with all your necessities covered + plenty to save, so comp doesn't have to be your top priority.

[@manictiger]

Call me grandiose, but I was never interested in wasting my whole life "trying to survive". Literally, I'd rather die in the forest trying to do that. At least the work would mean something. No. I created my own business and I have never looked back. Society is struggling because it is fake. It goes against every grain of human spirit and nature. It's narcissistic, short-sighted and way past its prime. I'm not interested in it at all. I won't work for it and I won't "survive" in it. Would rather lay on the train tracks. We created a system so toxic that it has no choice but to self-destruct. Watch as people fight over resources, whether it's Black Friday, or it's a toilet paper shortage, or it's something more serious, like a famine. That's the system. We were not meant to be like this.

[@beastmasterbg]

@@manictiger I want to do that. I want to be leader of just work my thing and have no one tell me anything. How did you accomplish that

[@evanmastermind]

@@manictiger Which industry is your business in?

[@amineaiffa]

People see 150K and think thats a juicy salary, but then you realize that if you're making 100k in SF you are literally poor. Rent there will take up 50% or more of your monthly salary. All the more reason to be a private contractor and work remotely from a cheaper state.

[@angelsaavedra633]

Why would anyone live in San Francisco

[@rishabhtyagi5791]

@@angelsaavedra633 Because all of the top tech companies and top salaries are only there.

[@Npnpnp468]

No you’re wrong. These guys base salary is 155k. All the big tech like Uber Google FB Amazon give all employees stock options that can make there total compensation 250k+. I live in the Bay and that’s more than enough to live very well. Every job that pays well has stress, and burnout. Half the people in the bay aren’t even making 100k+

[@Striker50_]

People pay $1.5k-2.5k for a room. Stop making stuff up.

[@JuaniqueVerde]

Not “literally poor” because there are a lot of people living there making LESS than that.

[@w2385-i2s]

Instead of quitting, just take the “unlimited vacations”.

[@smarkwick7814]

If you take too much u get fired and sometimes u have to get manager approval so it's really not unlimited

[@fromwatertowater]

So you're going to quit? No, I'm just not going to work anymore.

[@God.Almighty]

obviously sarcastic because you know unlimited vacations are the worst. they actually mean no vacations and even if you take a couple of days, guilty vacations.

[@johnmcfads5304]

Unlimited vacation is not unlimited paid vacation

[@abxy787]

I am on unlimited unpaid vacations.

[@EnnuiMachine]

Every company that offers “unlimited time off” is doing so because they know employees will use less than if they were given a set amount of days because they don’t want to look like they’re being greedy or lazy with their use of days off.

[@TheChees1996]

that where this people are going wrong, after you finish your project just take 2 weeks off come back and do the next project. also in your two weeks of turn your work phone and enjoy.

[@snowyy.5275]

Depends on the company and the group culture your manager sets. My coworkers take weeks off at a time and we all rotate to cover. It’s because of this that we all feel comfortable and encouraged to take pto

[@kevinm.8682]

The thing is, if you give someone all of these perks and a flexible schedule, you need to also give them the freedom to use that flexibility. You must make it clear that the company expects you to take down time, and you will not be frowned upon either officially or unofficially. Leadership needs to model that behavior by taking time off and making sure everyone knows they're taking time off. This also empowers your teams, letting them know that you trust them to work without constantly staring over their shoulders.

[@IL_Bgentyl]

The issue is America’s hustle culture. Even in construction (was IT) we can take off as much or little time as we want. I have supplemental income and have a relatively high pay. So often I’ll turn down OT. I’ve made it clear I have no issue staying late since I’m already here but when I’m off I’m off. The only time I’m willing to come in is if it helps the team. This has lead to basically being shunned which I don’t care but the point is many people look down on you prioritizing your life over work. I have a system I don’t compromise.

[@zahraamin164]

That's honestly so true. Unlimited flex time always feels too good to be true because it affects how you're perceived by coworkers and poses a threat to your job and how you make a living.

[@themonsterwithin4000]

@@IL_Bgentyl What do you do for supplemental income?

[@IL_Bgentyl]

@@themonsterwithin4000 invest, live & flip, rental. Mainly work 6-2. Electrician.

[@SunnyUBC]

Long story short - everything has a price. There is no free lunch!

[@twystedhumour]

shhh! don't let that smple truth out!

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

i had a free lunch at Google once a friend got me in and i dont work there lol i ate it and left

[@raebean6018]

Yep definitely!

[@ivandjolev2700]

@@therearenoshortcuts9868 You won

[@alexandregallardo4515]

Word to Isaiah Rashad

[@FINSuojeluskunta]

I'm a software engineer now, used to be an aircraft mechanic. All I can say is just admit work will destroy you if you let it. The second I would get done working on a plane, sweaty, bloody, oily, I'd get another shoved on me with a close deadline. Find a good company above all and don't let yourself be exploited!!! If you don't like fiddling with code then don't become a software engineer, people have pushed square blocks into this round hole for a long time.

[@theflybaby6736]

Oh no, I did AVI for a bit and want to get a pen test job.... oh hope the pay is worth it.

[@FINSuojeluskunta]

@@theflybaby6736 It's a job still. I wouldn't say it's for everyone, nor did I hate aircraft maintenance. It's a lot more competitive but I mesh well with it. I tried getting into contracting but even with years of experience I couldn't even get interviews. The airline feeders pay unlivable wages. 18-22 an hour for Chicago, Denver, etc. is just insulting. American Airlines was offering less than my current salary at the time for graveyards...not trying to be a whiner but I felt like it was time for me to go for a 4 year degree. Also, this 4 year CS degree will cost me less than my A&P school...I'm debt-free but mistakes were definitely made.

[@blazingfalcon7387]

Wow im on a similar path im a ramp agent and studied for aviation maintenance but my company plays way too many favorites which is why im switching careers

[@Lelii321]

i love the comments section im currently an AMT as well and the burnout is real too in the aviation industry. currently covered with oil after messing with an over serviced APU 🙃🙃🙃. Im starting my degree in cyber security this july. I agree. after going through a couple of airlines you learn to find a company that won’t exploit you as much but it’ll still happens as long there is money to be made.

[@tarunkumar.d8379]

@@FINSuojeluskunta I don't get it, so you did A&P degree and then did a CS degree and both in school...why?

[@aerialdude]

A few people in this video said something like "as soon as you finish a project, you have to start a new one". I think that hits the nail on the head. If you finish something early, you should be rewarded for finishing early and get some break time. Instead, it's immediately on to the next thing. Consider if you were instead a freelancer that was paid a fixed amount for each project. You would be incentivized to finish sooner, and if you wanted to take on less projects, that would be fine. But as a salaried employee, you have no choice but to grind through project after project, and get paid the same amount no matter what. There's nothing stopping you from stretching out projects a bit to make them take longer than they need to, but in my experience that doesn't actually help with burnout. Because then you feel like you are just wasting time and your work feels less meaningful.

[@chandrabehr418]

It looks like most of these people just want to be their own boss rather than work for a big company the rest of their lives. If you have a vision of what kind of work you want to be doing then saving your huge salary from your tech job to start a business seems like a great option.

[@NotShowingOff]

Ppl who want to be their own boss should inherit millions of dollars. That’s the only way. Customer service is a staple of any business owner. There are a few jobs where you earn a salary and do work on your own terms like a university professor with tenure, but those jobs are getting less frequent. Building a working enterprise means telling yourself that it’s not good enough. I seriously doubt entrepreneurial ppl are quitting at such a high volume

[@boots911]

@@NotShowingOff huh? On their type of salary they can easily have a few million in 10-15 years to start their own business.

[@NotShowingOff]

@@boots911 yea right. It’s the elite players that make above 200k. The cost of living in these areas is high. They can save as much as they can, but I doubt they have the time to dabble in side hustle if they are getting over a quarter mil. Plus these jobs are project based. 1-3 years and you are off somewhere else.

[@ninjablack4347]

because thats how it was for awhile. A worker would have one responsibility and do that one thing with autonomy. Now you have them micro managed

[@doomguy9049]

Yeah

[@spody22]

Good pay is one thing. Having good mental health is another. It’s hard to find something that does both. At the end of the day, we’re all different and like different things. So go out and find what suits your soul and make life amazing.

[@NEFFxsaVaGe]

So true, do what makes you happy, and find something that fulfills you!

[@Shay416]

This guy gets it ^^^^

[@babatundeonabajo]

They should add a disclaimer to this video that these millennials are the exception, not the norm. This is not a normal situation. The typical millennial isn't getting an email from Google if they would like to rejoin the company.

[@deegee8023]

This is so true, i was thinking of the same thing.

[@Jennie-rk7gq]

The video title says millenials in the tech industry making six figures, which is mostly software engineers and developers. But yeah they could have made it a little more specific lol

[@ananthapadmanabhanss4553]

Perfect 👌 said. It's like stating personalities in outliers book.

[@ahkeen]

Exactly, good luck getting pass round 2. These guys are bunch of snowflakes

[@jaycoolcontent]

Thats why ppl build connects at the jobs they're at, its smart to build connections at big tech.

[@THEspindoctor84]

I've been in tech for about 4 years, I'm 29. Before that, I did restaurant work for about 5 years, and worked at a non-profit, also food-related. I don't know...I just haven't experienced this stuff in my current tech role. There are soooo many tech jobs that are not in the ultra-high profile companies like uber, facebook, netflix etc. My first job in tech was at a regional insurance company with about 600 employees, doing data engineering stuff. The job overall was very good, not that difficult. I just moved to a consulting company with about 5k employees. I'm new, but I don't get the sense that it's a very stress inducing place to work (generally speaking, of course it'll have it's moments). I used to work with dishwashers that slept on the premises of the country club that I worked at, worked at least 50 hours/week, and probably made no more than $12/hour. THATs burnout, but it's burnout without the flexibility to just leave when you want. When you consider the alternatives, it's hard not to view some of these folks as just complaining...

[@anthonytesla8382]

You're quite successful for a 29 year old

[@BauldyBoys]

To your point most of the case studies in this video big tech was their first job, which honestly isn't very good reporting. I wonder statistically how often anyone stays at a job for 8 years now a days. I used to work manual labor and tech is a walk in the park and I'm grateful every day. Are there pointless meetings? Yes. Do I need to constantly consider company politics to get anything done? Yes. But at the same time I'm working out of my living room and having a real impact on peoples lives even if things move slower then I'd like.

[@bantheshift]

What helps is when you've truly experienced a bad job. It's all a matter of perspective. My personal experience has been this: worked 5 years in my 20s as a grocery store manager. On the surface it seems like a boring mundane job. It was absolutely depressing. I don't need to go into details but it made me truly hate my life, long hours, 6 days a week, overnights, holidays, etc. I will never forget it. I've been in tech for almost 8 years now, sure there have been ups and downs but its all been gravy when I compare it to my previous career. When I hear some colleagues complain about what they complain about I cant help but think to myself...ya'll have no idea how easy you have it here.

[@yisellebarragan1976]

I really just feel like the pandemic has been some sort of wake up call for everyone

[@luddity]

Different segments of society are learning vastly different lessons from it tho.

[@glocoabydes4498]

@Ulfah Aulia Much luck to you. That sounds exciting.

[@bixby451]

@Ulfah Aulia That actually sounds awesome! Best of luck to you in this new adventure 😊

[@simoneaustin8076]

Oh by far it is

[@Justanuttername]

It’s called “your life is important” so stop wasting time you’ll never get back!

[@ALPHAGENXCORP]

"as soon i finish one project, there is another" - it's called a job. As soon as construction project finish - we start another, as soon as you are done with one patient - there is another, as soon as one analysis/research is done - there is another one..... weak argument... good argument, for example, short deadlines, pressure, no aid, no guidelines, bad management, no informative communications within company, no support etc

[@ns88ster]

No. I want to work once and get paid the rest of my life. I'm entitled to everything!

[@musicfanatic2009]

Mental and physical work is completely different

[@KaiserzRul3]

It's not a weak argument because it highlights burnout lmao, what do you think a tech job is my friend?

[@slayba]

@@musicfanatic2009 in construction you deal with both

[@holycrapitsjake_]

"you like finish, and then you just get a new project..." am i missing something here? is this not like the reality for, theoretically, every corporate job everywhere?

[@crimpers5543]

she should've taken some vacation when she finished the project.

[@Sageboy13]

Ikr? Sounds spoiled to me

[@LastDollie]

Exactly

[@Lichtkaiserin]

I think what she's trying to say, was that you don't only go from project to project, but from one stressful deadline to the next. At least that's how it is where I'm working. You are working long hours because a deadline is coming up, thinking 'oh once this is over it'll be less stressful and I can quit doing overtime, maybe go home early a few times' but then the next deadline is coming up and it basically never ends.

[@curiouslycally]

@@Lichtkaiserin exactly. Often with little celebration for the completion of the large project you've just dedicated so many hours and possibly even a year or more on, and then they just essentially hand you another large stack of work to do. It starts to feel like you are a machine rather than a creative individual

[@ivyhe7234]

I think this is a pretty good video, it's saying a lot about the downsides people need to live with working in a tech company. Things like the need (or want preferably) to learn new technologies constantly, no control over projects even though you might be a manager (because the company is huge and clients want what clients want), stress and the insinuated long work hours from companies (late dinners, gyms sometimes even beds, and fancy coffee bar, they are all designed to make to not want to leave the office). I feel like a lot of the bootcamp ads paint this bright picture for young people where they can get 6 figure salary easily if they go to these bootcamps and then work at these tech companies, but they don't tell what's asked of you. For me, tech jobs are nice in terms of salary, being able to learn and do different things and the feel of accomplishment when something is built. But I understand that different people have different priorities at different times, if I get older and maybe have a family, these perks can become burdens. PS: I don't know why you are comparing average income of a tech professional to a median income of public school worker (at least in voice, in video it says average as well). so I am confused, is that a typo or the video was wrong?

[@ansrhl9448]

I mean "leave" sounds a bit ambiguous. It's not like they stopped being a software engineer. It's a pretty normal phenomenon in software engineering where your job kinda becomes stagnant because of the product or even the tech stack. It's completely normal for people to leave their 6 figure salary jobs and hop on to some startups instead where the work is more challenging.

[@gblightb]

Actually the real reason is that after a few years of accumulating all that money you realize you can leave comfortably after quitting. If they were making 70k/year quitting wouldn’t be an option.

[@NicoleAllwood]

I understand where you’re coming from because those who make such a 6 figure+ salary have more of a luxury to do these things, but that’s not necessarily always the case. You can make that money and not save very well. Also, I made significantly less than 70k (underpaid, but that’s neither here nor there) in tech,and I’ve been free for almost 3 weeks all glory be to God. When you are not fulfilled, your health and well-being are being negatively affected and for me being spiritually drained was where I had to draw the line, no job is worth it. God told me it was time to elevate and I’m so glad I surrendered. I know He will provide because He always does. Just sharing a different perspective through personal experience. 😊

[@Bwekfest]

@Banned 6 Times thats doesn't even make sense. You live like what you earned because you wanted to. Some people dont live like 150k even though they have it because they are normally not big spenders.

[@choosey87]

@Banned 6 Times not true, that's why those who do F.I.R.E. usually have 6 figure salaries. I make 80k and can make 100k if I choose to work ot, but I live like I make 30k and just save and invest.

[@justw4lkbesideme]

The definition of burnout I think, u cant make it to end of the journey becoz of the stress..

[@NPAMike]

Facts. If you were making 6 figures after 5 years you'd have a pretty nice nest egg especially when all your food, gym memberships and everything else is being provided at the job.

[@cameronperry8446]

I quit my tech job earlier this year and went to a credit union thinking I’d suffer less burnout and have more work life balance. Unfortunately nothing is different. At my previous company I had unlimited PTO but that’s basically a polished turd of a perk. I didn’t take a single day of PTO during 2020. I felt totally guilty for doing so especially during a time where the company itself took a bit of a downturn. I felt like I had to continue working as hard as I possibly could to prove my worth. I’m paid extremely well which is something I’m thankful for, however I’ve essentially landed at a point In my life where I’d gladly take a significant pay cut to get out of the corporate world and do something that isn’t totally soul crushing. Don’t let the world fool you. Money isn’t everything. Of course it’s important and can solve a lot of problems for a lot of people but my mental and physical health are in a pretty broken state thanks to the tech/corporate world.

[@SisiphoAmelieLeeZinja]

Hope you figure it out!

[@tonyfb26]

Replying to your comment about not taking PTO because you felt bad. I understand because I went through the same thing. I hope you realize now how much more important YOUR health is than the company. Take care of yourself first, take your days off, focus on yourself, make yourself happy, then go back and do your thing. This is not the company’s fault. It’s solely yours because you put your job above you, and ITS OKAY. We’ve all done it, including myself. I’m glad you’re happier now at your new space. Not all corporate companies are that bad. I work at mine and so far so good!

[@mishynaofficial]

The problem isn't about tech. The problem is every big company is toxic for workers. Just bureaucracy and feeling like you are a cog in the system. But this is if you have an Investigative or Artistic type according to Holland's 6 personality types. If you are any other type, then you will be grateful for stability and PROUD that you are in such a famous international company and this satisfaction will allow you to work there for 30 years.

[@vegetossgss1114]

Money is not everything. Totally! Work is very important for us and for the overall society. However, working 5 days a week during 40 years or more is too much. Gen Z want a better work/personal balance and more free time to enjoy life (and participate to the economy through consumption, as stores, cinemas and restaurants usually make most of their sales during the week end). That's why the best answer, in my humble opinion, is to propose to all workers the possibility to switch toward a 4 days week work, as some European countries are currently experimenting. This should concern blue collar jobs as well as white collar jobs, even in prestigious industries such as consulting and finance. This 4 days a week schedule can take different forms, and result in a reduction of the monthly salary, or not. Personally, I would easily accept a stimulating and challenging job with a 4 days per week schedule, even if I have a 20% lower compensation. It is worth it, and I'll be highly motivated in the long run.

[@alexanderdenisenko4347]

Exactly

[@bttvtutorials]

Couple years ago I graduated with a B.Sc.in Computer Science and later I received my M.Sc. degree in CS. I spent countless hours learning programming skills. We as software engineers when we apply for a tech job we have to pass a coding interview which takes a lot of time to prepare and is super stressful. We have to remember data structures, algorithms.. Countless hours on leetcode or hackerrank solving problems. Recently I tried teaching which is far easier job than being a full time software engineer that has project deadlines and has to perform so great just so you can keep your job. Coding for 8-10 hours a day is so hard, all I did was going to work and going back home to sleep basically I had no social life, I felt like I was living alone in this world. I'd rather have a low paying job than a tech job that requires so much after all we have a life to live and we don't need to be all day at work.

[@zahraamin164]

The stress from interviewing and the prospect of having to go through those interviews over and over again for decades made me switch into technical program management. I feel so much relief that I can leave a company if it becomes too hard for me without having to climb the mountain of prepping for white boarding interviews.

[@vegetossgss1114]

I love your comment, your experience is very interesting. I think the key word here is FREE TIME. Work is important for us and for the overall society. However, working 5 days a week during 40 years or more is too much. Gen Z want a better work/personal balance and more free time to enjoy life (and participate to the economy through consumption, as stores, cinemas and restaurants usually make most of their sales during the week end). That's why the best answer, in my humble opinion, is to propose to all workers the possibility to switch toward a 4 days week work, as some European countries are currently experimenting. This should concern blue collar jobs as well as white collar jobs, even in prestigious industries such as consulting and finance. This 4 days a week schedule can take different forms, and result in a reduction of the monthly salary, or not. Personally, I would easily accept a stimulating and challenging job with a 4 days per week schedule, even if I have a 20% lower compensation. It is worth it, and I'll be highly motivated in the long run.

[@Spectraevil]

The tech burnout is very real. I joined a company straight out of college. Had been coding since I was 12 so progressed very fast, got promoted to VP of Engineering, was one of the youngest members in the team. But after a few years I got so exhausted that I quit the job and disconnected from everything for like 3 months. Only then I was motivated enough to get a new job, with 3 months rest. People often suggest to take vacation n all in the middle but when you have so many responsibilities on your shoulders, forget vacation, u can barely take a couple of days off.

[@aliannarodriguez1581]

The hypocrisy around vacations is something that companies need to fix or they are going to continue to lose their best people. Everybody I know says they are forced to accept project schedules that prevent them from taking their earned vacation time, even while the company makes noises about how important it is for people to use their leave. And of course everything is understaffed these days, that’s just SOP.

[@vegetossgss1114]

Whereas taking vacations and having more free time is VERY IMPORTANT. Stress is fairly related to work. And work is very important for us and for the overall society. However, working 5 days a week during 40 years or more is too much. Gen Z want a better work/personal balance and more free time to enjoy life (and participate to the economy through consumption, as stores, cinemas and restaurants usually make most of their sales during the week end). That's why the best answer, in my humble opinion, is to propose to all workers the possibility to switch toward a 4 days week work, as some European countries are currently experimenting. This should concern blue collar jobs as well as white collar jobs, even in prestigious industries such as consulting and finance. This 4 days a week schedule can take different forms, and result in a reduction of the monthly salary, or not. Personally, I would easily accept a stimulating and challenging job with a 4 days per week schedule, even if I have a 20% lower compensation. It is worth it, and I'll be highly motivated in the long run.

[@erichearduga]

Always take your vacations... projects almost never hit the projected dates... it'll still be there when you get back... Been in IT Development for 30 years, I've never left vacay on the table including taking at least 6 weeks a year for the last 20 years.

[@tomdixon1213]

“Man does not live by bread alone” Jesus Christ.

[@NicoleAllwood]

Amen. For me, when a job is negatively affecting me spiritually on top of everything else, it’s time to go and God definitely told me it was time to go. It’s been almost 3 weeks and the peace I feel is unmatched because it’s provided by God’s perfect peace. I’m so grateful!

[@craigslist1323]

What about women?

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

@@craigslist1323 so you would live with a woman who beats you? Life is more than just one or two things, find balance.

[@bakoolguy2]

@@craigslist1323 The word translated “man” there is anthropos, which refers to “mankind” or all persons, whether male or female. Sorry for the quirk of the translation there.

[@Fa-yh6yu]

... brand alone....

[@Ryan30431]

These people live in a world I can't even imagine. I feel the same way with a 55K a year job but I got bills so you ain't seeing me leave any kind of job without getting laid off.

[@austinbranion8699]

Thanks for saying this. I just got into the tech industry myself making a ton of money, but I don’t come from a background with a ton of money. The people I work with are HARD WORKERS for sure, but the relationship many people in this world have with jobs, given that they feel their skills are so in-demand, is wild to me

[@bohemianchic638]

Thank you they sound entitled 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@bohemianchic638]

Thank you they sound so entitled 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@michaelcharles4763]

Same. If I made triple what I make I guess I could be more flexible too

[@EbonyJoneskuye]

Well you just like being a worker bee. They are pursuing their dreams and starting companies.

[@CoderToHomesteader]

Update: Those looking to get into the tech industry, I did a video on the topics of developer bootcamps: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zn3TfpZjaamYqJY I'm in this industry +10 years as a developer and this interview is shady at best. Every single one of these people left to build out their own branding and their own venture with the safety of the high paying salary and a fall back plan of being able to instantly get hired at another company if it didn't work out.

[@JuanGarcia-oi1yx]

yup! Having experience at big tech company and gaining more experience on their own they honestly don't have much of a risk. Worst case scenario is their business fail and get another big tech job with 6 figures.

[@xuminarc]

It seems like the people they interview are 'cream of the crop', where they are visionary enough and can identify a blind spot in the industry to monetize. That is also why the recruiters are always ready to lure them back to their old 6-figure jobs. The competition for jobs in tech is also fierce - the average or non-performers don't always get chances like these people. Once the ordinary people leave, there are more people eagerly waiting to take their places.

[@_cipriano2282]

wow. this makes a lot of sense. that is why I studied IT. as a fallback plan. I have no money and I need the job. I just finished college like may of 2020 and I am dying to find work. I kinda wish I was at their point in life. they just decide to quit and be their own bosses and they now don't worry about money lol.

[@80s_Boombox_Collector]

@@_cipriano2282 It's not about the degree you have, it's about the proven skills you have. They don't care where you acquired them.

[@InsideCorporatePlaybook]

yes, this is what CNBC showed behind the scenes. They didn't just quit to do anything. People are taking titles literally. If they watched the video carefully, they would notice the path those millennials were taking.

[@keheungan]

this video describes me accurately. But after resting for 4 months, I got recruited into another tech company. I just want to accumulate money fast and retire

[@felixvargas4981]

When you think of the bigger goal, you won’t get burnt out so fast

[@wing3789]

FIRE all the way.

[@joeyhyland]

Whatever floats your boat. At least you have options in this industry.

[@Sinnombrefs]

This is me

[@hot4fi]

@@wing3789 Ayyyyyyyyyy

[@benzpinto]

the thing with software development is that its a very mentally challenging and exhausting job. compared to other types of job, its mostly deep work and little shallow work. new technology and methodology appear so quickly, staying up to date requires a lot of effort. each project could be entirely new and require a fresh development or learning something totally new

[@amandal8404]

I've been learning code for the past couple years on the job. Even as a non IT person, it gave me a glimpse into how mentally challenging software development can be, given the nature of the work. It's so important to get uninterrupted time and flexibility if you're doing this kind of work

[@ZeusWillBack]

@ASRDGEEK i like it, but i hate when i have bad day, i didnt sleep well, and i need to sit there 8h without any results.

[@mishynaofficial]

Seems like the perfect job for myself lol

[@danielmino1690]

you said it, its a shallow field, there is nothing transcendental that is why most people hate it

[@zahraamin164]

It's why I switched and became a TPM.

[@nikkitots]

I agree with Aaron. I was in tech for the last 2 years, not in a tech role but in a corporate/support function. The burn out was REAL and the pandemic only made it worse. I recently switched industries and I am suffering with PTSD from my last job, just like Anna. I feel like I should be working harder and faster. My boss isn't even pressuring me, she's in no rush to give me more work. Get out of tech when you can, you can always go back. If 2020 has taught us anything, life is precious, do things that are worth your time.

[@SisiphoAmelieLeeZinja]

Thank you!!

[@vegetossgss1114]

You nailed it my friend. FREE TIME is the key word here. Stress is fairly related to work. And work is very important for us and for the overall society. However, working 5 days a week during 40 years or more is too much. Gen Z want a better work/personal balance and more free time to enjoy life (and participate to the economy through consumption, as stores, cinemas and restaurants usually make most of their sales during the week end). That's why the best answer, in my humble opinion, is to propose to all workers the possibility to switch toward a 4 days week work, as some European countries are currently experimenting. This should concern blue collar jobs as well as white collar jobs, even in prestigious industries such as consulting and finance. This 4 days a week schedule can take different forms, and result in a reduction of the monthly salary, or not. Personally, I would easily accept a stimulating and challenging job with a 4 days per week schedule, even if I have a 20% lower compensation. It is worth it, and I'll be highly motivated in the long run.

[@robrig55]

As en entrepreneur, what I've learned through the years is that certain employees will not be happy no matter what. All you can do is offer them the job and be good to them. Teachers, coaches, factory workers, cleaners all come to work day in/day out doing the same work one project after another. Sales people get burned out by juggling contacts, learning the product and cultivating relationships. I would be wrong for us to assume that these are ungrateful employees. People change. Seasons change. You can enjoy your work now and leave it tomorrow. By the end of the day, all you can do is enjoy the moment you're with these people. Celebrate milestones, birthdays, weddings and holidays =)

[@mishynaofficial]

Yeah. But some employees won't tell the owner/ceo why they ACTUALLY don't like their job 🙊 Hint: it's company's fault 😑

[@ThatBlueSkull]

Your a good boss for being so understanding hope your doing well man

[@robrig55]

@@mishynaofficial That's more on them than on you though. I'm not in my preferred industry either but providing for my family comes first. As a former employee, I do think at times, employees tend to put too much reliance on their employers and supervisors regarding their happiness. Work place environment comes into play and all you can be is a good colleague as well to help cultivate that. I also would think that most employees are unhappy with their work anyway and there's only so much you can do regarding that.

[@robrig55]

@@ThatBlueSkull I wouldnt disagree that I am but thanks though. It's hard to be nice to be employees at times because it seems that the ones you pay/treat well and the ones you dont tend to complain about the same thing so it's tempting at times to be a rock and just not care

[@bobsam5982]

These people are a bunch of yeah buts. Beta males who have no idea what real hard work Is. It's hilarious and sad at the same time seeing all these soft soy boys complaining about a cake job

[@LifeofKairo]

If you don't get too sucked into the salary and perks then it's a great incubator for entrepreneurship. Set some of the mega-salary aside so that you can leave the corporate world after a couple years and start out on your own.

[@miriamstrauss]

Makes sense!

[@Not-Andy-Here]

Why would I want that? You have a nice stable job and no other responsibilities. Why would I want to start off on my own? I hate these people I wish I had their intelligence and their jobs!

[@LifeofKairo]

@@Not-Andy-Here Haha yeah my comment is only aimed at the entrepreneurial-minded. No need to hate on anyone - you can learn to code and become one of them yourself :)

[@usersdksdfg]

@@Not-Andy-Here much easier to be financially free (multi millionaire) starting your own business/investment rather than just being financially stable and have only one source of income. You can be your own boss and set your own hours. That's freedom in itself. Complacency in a great job like that is not exactly bad, but I think complacency in general is bad. Edit: also don't think that they are necessarily the smartest it's a bit of luck and hard work. There's people that just go to coding boot camp and study leet code for the interview and get a FANG job

[@theendurance]

@@Not-Andy-Here because these type of people (tech workers) aren't like your average Joe who just wants a cushy office job. These people want to be innovative and truly make a difference in the world. They have much more passion and higher aspirations than the average office worker who just wants to work his 8 hours and then go home and watch TV.

[@sugacoatme]

Currently in school for my masters in computer science to become a software engineer and I can’t wait 🙌🏽🤞🏽 I kno it’s tough but I’m ready to have a real career (I’m 30 yrs old) Update!!!! I passed my first semester with A’s. Only 3 more semesters to go and I’ll be working as a software engineer 🙌🏽🙏🏽❤️

[@takishaedwards273]

You go girl!

[@alp.9672]

Good luck I know tech be discriminating on women and it’s harder for black women. Build up your network.

[@theendurance]

@@alp.9672 its literally the opposite. women (especially black women) have a much easier time getting jobs in tech. its just that there are so few women in tech, so companies would rather choose a woman over a man with the same qualifications in order to boost their diversity.

[@alp.9672]

@@theendurance maybe things changed

[@nahnahson]

@Lisa Adams it's true. If your a gal, you got your pick of the tech jobs

[@fineway7053]

That 2020 survey of 4000 tech workers explains why they get burned out. Work-life balance didn't make top 6.

[@JasonDimmick]

Why compare their salary to school teachers? Why not compare their salary to CNBC producers?

[@milld9345]

I’m glad they compared it, as it shows how teachers are so underpaid. No wonder education is failing.

[@ayomideotukoya1731]

😂

[@whatever_12]

I wish there were more report and light on some of the big sectors like construction and Hospitality ( Hotel .resto etc...) I worked in these fields and it's not only long hours without perk but the physical toll and burns out people that just keep pushing because there's no other opportunity they see for themselves

[@AdrianaGonzalez-zq6tx]

How did you finally get out and move on from them? Or do you still feel stuck?

[@UnorthodoxlyEsthetic]

In my honest opinion, physical tolls are easier to recover from than mental tolls. Not arguing that that is surely difficult and appreciate the difficulty experienced in construction and hospitality. But the kind of burnout that software engineers experience is a deep mental exhaustion. I'm in tech and sometimes I dream of becoming a farmer. It's just more... natural

[@weprogress.909]

Really fascinating stuff. Will be really interesting to see what the culture of employment will be in 10 years

[@rarewaffles8257]

Probably the same since it hasn't changed in the last 10 years

[@shannonj7626]

Yeah same I just saw another video saying colleges won’t be around in the next 20 years and nearly everyone is experiencing burn out apparently lol

[@flynna]

@@rarewaffles8257 not true. Think of all the new jobs over the past 10 years. So much technological advancements call for new jobs. New restaurants. New demands need to be m3t so it does chabge

[@rarewaffles8257]

@@flynna the only new job I can think of that didn't exist in some capacity 10 years ago is Instagram influencer

[@flynna]

@@rarewaffles8257 but I guess blogs were a thing before that, and then magazines before that. The jobs have changed / evolved a lot

[@hassaan561]

As someone in tech I feel it’s also a lot on the worker to set the boundaries. I’m very outspoken and particular about not wanting emails on my phone and working 8 hours a day. Sure there are times when I have to work overtime but only seldom and if necessary. While I’m firm, I have coworkers who have emails on phone, work too much all the time and sometimes show up on day off because they didn’t have anything else to do. I feel they’re partly to blame because the firm didn’t make it a requirement and they kind of offered this to maybe have themselves stand out or just don’t have anything else going on.

[@Arcwise]

They're burning themselves out out of consideration. KZbin is full of "Why I left big tech" videos all with the same contents but I've yet to see the wave of "Big tech fired me because I set reasonable boundaries and stated my needs assertively" videos.

[@mandisaw]

@@Arcwise But that's specifically why these particular tech companies hire new grads and very new workers. After you have some experience, or life/family obligations, you have a better sense of self-worth and the need to set realistic & liveable boundaries. New workers are "just happy to be here" so they fall into traps. Like "free dinner at 8" - they're paying you 150K, just grab some Halal or sushi on the way home ffs

[@Ellyestelle]

@@mandisaw True but we get more experience with age so I don’t blame them. They’ll get it eventually

[@anom3897]

Also you are forgetting these companies hire a lot of internationals. Yes the locals do have a life. But the recently graduated/ transplant/ expat is not really integrated into their society. So what is there only point of social connection? Work, And guess what moved for financialls reasons from a poorer area and your now making more at this company. You probably wont set as much boundaries etc. I really think this is a deliberate strategy on the part of some of these companies. They give zero f*cks about whoever they are extracting resources from inlcuding the people that work for them. Its sad that people think they can treat other people like this without any repurcussion.

[@SisiphoAmelieLeeZinja]

Precisely!!!

[@carterchester3262]

I worked in big tech, left for 5 years to work at startup, then went back to big tech. Working at a startup for 5 years was horrible for my mental and physical health. Ill never do it again. Im so grateful to have landed a big tech job again.

[@Lazygaming9]

Explain

[@maryymendes]

I feel like that mentality of "I'm not doing anything, so I'll work." or "work until you die" is very north American. In Europe the life - work balance is much more presence, and its demanded of you.

[@asadb1990]

in canada its not as bad but depends on the company and the mentality of the owners.

[@demarcusds95]

I agree. That’s a big issue in American

[@NotShowingOff]

It’s a culmination. Americans have to work harder for the same privileges afforded ppl who didn’t work so much. They have to leave jobs just to get a raise. A huge portion of income needs to be used just to have a social life. Companies are more demanding. Open offices where you probably got sick before the pandemic. Many factors. I wouldn’t say things are fantastic in Europe. Less good jobs overall.

[@Itsmikebitch]

It then again boils down to what's important to you I don't work Sat Sun no matter what. That's the time for you and your family - It should be un-negotiable no matter what.

[@asadb1990]

@@Itsmikebitch yeah me too. no weekends no exception. im surprised i see so many desis here in canada who will wait until boss goes home. will take on way too much work. and overall lower the standards for desis like me who comes in on time and leave on time no exceptions.

[@1lasmith]

“I didn’t want to fight so many fights” that HITS

[@dannylaza1326]

says the group with more privilege than anyone else on the planet lmfao. Don't make excuses, if you're internally racist just say that. Also, if you can't do the job, just say that. Also, don't complain about what you signed up for.

[@ErrythingPhroze]

@@dannylaza1326 bruh just say black people get on your nerves and keep it moving....

[@dogedude9537]

@@ErrythingPhroze black people get on your nerves and keep it moving....

[@dcflow7859]

This is great!! I love that people are starting their own businesses and taking total control of their life!

[@frankoh3193]

Young kids with a lot of motivation and excitement in their careers. I used to be like that. Now, after 30 years in the job market, I just want to have passive income and don't have to work as hard. :-0

[@David-sq2en]

I am also looking into passive income, but I still want to be active and keep doing things, I just see the passive income as a way to allow me to better chose what I want to do.

[@TheIvyLens]

Yea, they literally burn you out, especially if you’re good at what you do. I just left my 100k job that I had for five years for these reasons. I wasn’t born to work for capitalism. . .

[@hojaeyun6747]

I mean it's your choice, no blame on you there. However, realistically working and keeping up at this job until you're 40, you may retire early.

[@ahndrayuh]

@@hojaeyun6747 But then your'e 40 and you missed out on living those past 20 years, and ya lower back hurt and you're balding and you look like a senior citizen because you been stressed out for the past 15 years.

[@hojaeyun6747]

@@ahndrayuh 40 is still a middle aged man. Compared to 20 you're more wise if anything and you can live freely then on. That's why people like you are naive and don't learn anything.

[@mandisaw]

@@ahndrayuh Hon, they will someday be 40 and tired either way. Only difference is 40 with options, or 40 without. This piece sounded more like these folks had FOMO, or a "quarter-life crisis". The reporters should come back to them in 7-10yrs and see what they say then.

[@Markdfadf]

Right? You do have a choice whether to make more money but also have more stress in a capitalist system. It is a pretty nice feature. You can also choose to coast given the horn of plenty that is created with free enterprise. Whereas everyone in socialism is poor and has no option but to live the life of a farm animal.

[@quantumhorizon]

Working in the software industry, especially when working from home, requires boundaries and having interests that don't require a computer. Have a set start time, work a solid 8 hours (or flex around needs as necessary), and then shut the computer off and do anything else. Constant work and constant availability is a guaranteed recipe for burnout.

[@fs2300]

Talented People from third world countries would be happy having their jobs

[@Ethaara]

even from a 2nd.... This is a classic situation when a worker is payed too much and dont have to worry about real problems, can afford everything, so they are starting to worry on stupid things.

[@haroonfunny94]

Most of these people have saved enough where they don't have to worry about losing a high paying job

[@fs2300]

@Wes Ley yes, I know we wouldn't get as much them but we only need to work around 5-6 years if we got that six figure salary and then back to our country and retired early.

[@kushal4956]

those companies are already dominated by indians and chinese

[@Venmanayan]

Atleast for a while then will get burnedout too

[@AdiAsaf]

I have been a keyboard for hire in the past 20 years. From the early stages I knew I had to be cautious and make sure my IT job stays a job nothing more. I didn't dive into crazy schedules, never got stressed by the demanding and competitive environment and was always wiling to sacrifice my job if it was in my way to stay healthy and happy. Still doing the same job and continuing to rip the substential financial rewards and comfort IT job provides. At the end, its all about perception

[@InquisitiveYouTube]

In the pandemic, where so many people have completely lost their livelihoods, tech job problems are good problems to have. As a software dev, I can't complain... At least for the time being ;)

[@vulnerablegrowth3774]

These jobs are fine. We just need more young people thinking about what they want to get out of their jobs. It's easy to say that big tech jobs are overrated after you've made a ton of money and have the financial security to leave. You have to consider the counterfactual. Would they have been happier working at a job that pays 1/2 as much? Well, that depends. A lot of the people leaving big tech have it on their resume so now they have way more options than they used it. If you had only applied at less demanding jobs, you may not have ever landed in the roles you preach about after your big tech stint. There's not one thing that's better than the other, but you need to figure out what works best for you at a point in time, where you are headed towards, and do what it takes to prevent burnout. If your goal is to accumulate a lot of money fast, then big tech is where it's at. If your goal is to make a decent amount of money, but have a social life where you can date a lot of people and find a life partner, then you should be more careful about the work hours of the job you take.

[@tamekaosabutey-aguedje411]

Great points!

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

I don't think you have to choose between one thing or the other. It's pretty normal to sacrifice your life quality for 1-2 years in a high paying job, then switch to a better lifestyle.

[@jazzcabbage9370]

The issue in tech is a lot of companies think they're entitled to make you work unpaid overtime to meet deadlines they set too early because management is incompetent. I'm pursuing a career in this field, seems like you've just gotta stand firm. I know someone who worked at Rockstar North during the notorious GTA 5 crunch time, he refused overtime and didn't get fired lol.

[@DerDudelino]

They will likely regret it because working in big tech companies is not only very well paid. It's easy. Most of the big companies in Silicon Valley are heavily overstaffed - they simply don't have enough work for their giant workforce so people have an extraordinarily amount of time to sit in coffee shops at their own campus or just strolling around :O)

[@occultninja4]

@@DerDudelino Yet you don't get that impression from people talking about the treadmill of constant projects with deadlines approaching and looming over you. Maybe some companies have their workforce sorted so things like that don't happen to them while others are understaffed and have to work their smaller crews like mules?

[@haute03]

These "perks" are used to keep employees in the office and, therefore, working more hours.

[@sportsfan1717]

Law firms don't have those perks and they somehow manage to keep their employees working even more hours.

[@fvr12345]

The perks are used to retain the best talent where people hop from company to company every few years. They want to make sure their employees love their work and also want them to all be friends as even more incentive to stay with the company long term. I don’t think it’s about squeezing every last cent out of their employees.

[@sponkmcdonk3898]

It’s even worse with WFH. No perks and being connected 24/7

[@matthewgilfus1640]

@@fvr12345 why do people hop from job to job? Because they can make more money somewhere else. Just PAY the employees what they're worth. If you don't someone else will and that's exactly what's going on. YOU don't decide what your employees are worth, your competition does.

[@ad2094]

@@sportsfan1717 What's the turnover rate at such firms, David?

[@cawfaygweentea1596]

I quit my engineering job after 11 years because of burnout. Employees generally become more productive as time goes on, but companies seem to think these productivity gains continue at the same pace indefinitely when they don't. Employees who are treated like this gradually get crushed by the overwhelming weight of the accumulated responsibilities. Eventually you're doing the job of 5 people and they'll still try to load you up with more.

[@alexanderdenisenko4347]

Yes, it's time to jump out of that race

[@dominick6131]

Just FIRE! Take that tech job with nice six figure salary but live like a McDonald's employee. Save everything and retire in 10 years by the time you are burnt out and be free to do what you want.

[@pkal244]

Even if you saved $100k for 10 years, not including taxes and expenses. That's only $1M. There's no way you can do "whatever you want" for the rest of your life with that. Even if you were invested in index funds with a 4% withdrawal rate.

[@letshaveit11]

Invest. Get an annual 10 to 12 percent from stock market. Invest in dividend producing stocks. There is plenty you can achieve in 10 years with that kind of salary.

[@dominick6131]

@@pkal244 1 million plus capital gains from investing the money.

[@Arcwise]

Imagine earning minimum wage while working yourself to death in big tech. Get the worst of both worlds and waste the best years of your life on top. FIRE is a lifestyle suited to almost nobody. Most people are much better off working a high-paying part-time job.

[@nickjohnson2640]

@@pkal244 "only" lol. You must not realize 70% doesnt have 1k let alone 1M. Most people retire on 1200$ a month in social security let alone having a million on top of that 🤦‍♂️.

[@traceford4904]

And here I am trying to get a job in UX/UI design at at a tech company.

[@bryanmcb19]

Same. I hope we laugh at this comment in a year from now

[@missraeray]

Me too 😂

[@ericmarmal9849]

Nobody cares.

[@Bwekfest]

@@ericmarmal9849 I care, thats one you loser.💁🏻‍♂️

[@MmmMmmGood17]

Probably in 7yrs in the job you’ll feel burned out, hopefully not tho..

[@MarshmilloJB]

4 words: 🔥 financial 🔥 independence 🔥 retire 🔥 early

[@cryptohouse1676]

I agree!

[@ak47ava]

100% Get in big tech get your money and leave that is all.

[@jamescrud]

So you just want to consume resources for the rest of your life and contribute nothing to the advancement of society/humanity?

[@ds240]

@@jamescrud FIRE is about having the financial freedom to work on something you are passionate about, regardless of income, not sipping drinks on the beach... although if that’s what floats your boat, you’re financially free to do that as well.

[@hojaeyun6747]

@@jamescrud There's nothing to contribute if Trump and Elon Musk are alive

[@lolbruah]

37 year old here. European, working for a large US tech giant. I‘ve been in Burnout for 8 months now and don‘t think that I‘m able to perform as before ever again. Covid really tore down a lot of stability. These are the late effects and we‘re heading straigt into a global crisis. I can‘t take it anymore tbh.

[@olfab1]

Lol exact same stuff can be said across industries. Except that the rest of us don't get the perks.

[@Davidchendavid]

They worked twice as hard, got twice as much or money. Makes sense. Probably took a toll on their psyche, social life’s and health too.

[@slayba]

@@Davidchendavid worked "twice as hard" is an opinion...not having the perks is fact....I work construction...we're constantly on a deadline to get a project done and once it's complete there's a new project...we don't work in air condition offices with bean bags and free lunch...so miss me with the "work twice as hard"....tell that to a guy on a construction site dirty,drenched in sweat who works 12 -16 hour days in the hot sun during the summer or in the blistering cold in the winter.

[@Davidchendavid]

@@slayba you’re right

[@drewconway7135]

I have a 6-figure tech job, and it’s amazing how fast the years go by. You start out with these big plans for everything you want to do with your life, then suddenly another 3 years go by, another 5 years go by, and you just keep getting sidetracked.

[@cwaddle]

Thats life. Most ppl just work for 30-40 years doing what they do. Best bet is to earn money fast and retire early. Noones stopping ppl to quit and try something of ur own too

[@drewconway7135]

@@cwaddle Agreed 100%

[@loujon191]

Poor baby. Your life seems really hard

[@Leah-yz4rj]

If I had that kind of income I'd bank and invest everything for 5-10 years then retire. Learn how to trade and cut that time in half.

[@papajohnsuk5965]

@@Leah-yz4rj shhshsh dont tell anyone

[@benjacobs2560]

If you’re smart enough to get hired by one if these companies, you’ve got a lot of options. If you’ve worked for Amazon or Google, you can probably make even more money opening up your own agency applying everything you learned for other businesses.

[@David-sq2en]

Running a business and writing code are 2 different skill sets. It basically takes years to develop either one of those. However if you enjoy challenges and like to solve problems (this 2 skills have this in common)... then enjoy the ride but don't expect to make it big the first few years.

[@punkgrl325]

That's actually what Aaron Jack, the guy in this video, ended up doing. Aside from his youtube channel, you now you see his Freemote ads everywhere lol

[@ralffreitag1456]

*The first step to successful investing is figuring out your goals and risk tolerance* - either on your own or with the help of a Financial Advisor. If you can get the facts about savings and investing with a well detailed plan, you should be able to gain financial security over the years and enjoy the benefits of managing your income.

[@leonmarkjovic6354]

I know a lot of people have made themselves fortunes with smart decisions in the market, even with the massive fluctuations and unprecedented inconsistencies.

[@hayden4653]

Yeah, that's true. It's all about the right guidance and timely information.

[@sarniapeters3184]

Building wealth takes focus and discipline. And if we want to be honest with ourselves, alot of us are lacking those.

[@sarniapeters3184]

Well some are afraid to give new ideas a try due to some horrid past experience. You really can't tell.

[@jonahjameson5078]

STAY IN PURSUIT. That's the key word, pursue your dreams and goals.