Why Modern Women Are Skipping Motherhood

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[@gracethi5663]

I love how she brought up the break up of the extended family. I would kill for more support from my parents and my other in-laws. It would make life a bit richer, we could support each other and share our big moments, but we've all scattered and don't live near each other anymore. I feel so isolated and lonely without family around

[@arsic094]

My wife and I have a 9 month old atm. Both of our parents are within 20km and yet... Extended families living next to each other as was common in my country up until 50 years ago seems like heaven. On the other hand, people go no contact with family so easily. Unfortunately, I feel like learning to live with family like it was done before is probably one of the things that will have to happen if we are to avoid practically going extinct.

[@safeandeffectivelol]

Modern women replaced husbands with corporate bosses and children with pets

[@HaleyMary]

So true! I also think that if you're working all day, you just don't have energy to go home, cook dinner and take care of children. It's not that millennials and Zers don't long for motherhood, it's that society has made it impossible with the demands of the workforce and the cost of living.

[@davidchung2203]

Noy only that the government

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

@@davidchung2203 *True, the Gov wanted more taxpayers to inflate the budgets for their mini-empires.*

[@PaulB-q3d]

@@safeandeffectivelol and the welfare state.

[@manifest2203]

As they shld. Women shouldn’t be prioritising men at all. Decentering men is the best thing any woman can do. Even getting with high value men is rarely worth it. It brings its own set of headaches, problems and control. But the competition for these men is so high and not worth the effort when the chance of success is low and after getting him, he is even more insufferable. Investing in herself with all her time and effort will give her far more rewards later on. Nothing is worth more than freedom. If a woman wants marriage and kids, she should play the field and then get with an average man when she wants to settle, but still be cautious about everything while in the relationship and not baby him. If a woman wants only a child, there are options for that too. In any case, the woman should have fewer kids later in life. But always, always prioritise lifetime financial stability and security above all else. Ofcourse being child free by choice and single is the best thing if she wants the best quality of life.

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

*"It would be hard to find a single example in history in which a group that cast more than 50 percent of the vote got away with calling itself the victim... Women are the only 'oppressed' group to share the same parents as the 'oppressor'; to be born into the middle class and upper class as frequently as the 'oppressor'; to own more of the culture's luxury items than the 'oppressor'."* ~ Warren Farrell

[@Ap_twsh]

woman get more free things than men by far, I'm not mad but feminism makes woman think they can have it all. No one should get it all nor get it all easy.

[@manifest2203]

Action mn are the most opp4ssed right now- acc to mn. So we shld remove the right to v6ote for mn.

[@MR3DDev]

Does no one remembee the huge propaganda in the 90s about world overpopulation? I do.

[@drkimap5784]

@@MR3DDev yes i had friends in California absolutely horrified that my Mormon sister had 6 kids. They looked at her like she was a criminal

[@manifest2203]

Really? That was propaganda? Do you think it is easy to get jobs today? Making money, finding education, healthcare are all cheap for you?

[@MR3DDev]

@@manifest2203 It was propaganda because the world is not overpopulated, if anything population is declining. The economy being crap is thanks to all you voting for socialism.

[@wade2bosh]

Reality is pop collapse U r weird Google tfr

[@geenhern]

​​@@manifest2203it really was, just like the "humans caused climate change" nonsense. But y'all believe anything you're told without looking into it beyond what the powers that be tell you. And yes the economy isn't great right now, but it also sounds like you have personal issues that you blame other people for it instead of doing some introspection & acknowledging how you cause your own problems.

[@amandaarmstrong3606]

I have two very young children with my wonderful husband and I don't have many friends who are mothers - most have chosen not to be and cannot understand why I would 'put [my]self through that.' One recently told me, after one day babysitting my children with her husband - "Your kids are GREAT and DEFINITELY solidified my choice to be child free." I know she meant nothing hurtful by it, but to be told, in so many words, "Man, am I glad I didn't choose your life!"........well, it certainly doesn't feel like motherhood is celebrated or revered in any capacity. Still wouldn't change a thing, and am grateful I chose this path.

[@RachelNichols-writer]

You may not realize it, but a lot of childless women envy you. Not all of us are "childfree" which is voluntary.

[@c.f.okonta8815]

You did the right thing by having kids. It’s one of the most fulfilling things a person can do

[@Ap_twsh]

well once we acknowledge feminism is the root cause it wont get better.

[@manifest2203]

It’s because they don’t want to do this much work and that’s ok. To each their own.

[@TshepoKotelo]

@@amandaarmstrong3606 She isn't your friend

[@anakiyacreates]

My mother pushed me to do everything as independent as possible. I did the opposite because I followed my intuition. I’m now a stay at home mother of two children and my husband encourages and provides for us and I’m couldn’t be more grateful for trusting myself and the process at just 22 years old when all my peers were doing the opposite.

[@manifest2203]

What will you do when he upgrades and replaces you?

[@apebass2215]

​@@manifest2203 what a demonic thing to say

[@TshepoKotelo]

​@@manifest2203He won't, most men don't leave decent women.

[@robertg420]

​@@manifest2203Begone feminist witch

[@anakiyacreates]

@@manifest2203 I don’t have to worry about that? You know why? I’ve done my due diligence and made sure I truly knew the man I was marrying and procreating with. I also make sure I do what I need to do to keep him. Also, my position doesn’t mean I’m totally helpless. I’m educated and have worked most of my life. Having a back up plan for any unexpected things is always important. But no, my first worry isn’t him leaving me for another woman.

[@michaelhuber8638]

I am 60 and you are right, it began, before you were born. Around the 70s. And it was not money, the women "freed" themselves. Now they are mostly unhappy childless old women.

[@MrLavajet]

@@michaelhuber8638 And they're trying to sabotage younger women.

[@sanniepstein4835]

Pop Freud was still strong in that time, so mommy was responsible for all the ills of the world. Why subject yourself to ever-changing and malicious judgment?. Population fanatics pushed the idea of children as an assault on the earth, something educated people devoutly believed. Funny, this didn't apply to immigration. Women were not trained for the independence needed to run a household. School rewards passivity.

[@maddiefanzieglerfan6214]

I'm a very happy childless woman.Enough with the lie that childless women are unhappy.

[@MrLavajet]

@@michaelhuber8638 And plenty of them are sabotaging younger women.

[@stevengayler8447]

​@@maddiefanzieglerfan6214The exception does not disprove the rule

[@labitcoineragt3596]

I forwent my dream job I had worked so hard for. Graduated with 4.0 gpa and I saw myself at the top of the food chain 😂, the minute my son was born and we both locked eyes I knew I couldn’t have someone else raise him. I couldn’t have someone else be his “whole day” person type of thing. I knew at that firm I was going to have to travel a lot and it wasn’t until we looked at each other when he was born that I really questioned what was the most important thing for me AND him. He’s 14 now and he’s told me many times how much he appreciates to have me pick him up from school and be here for him every step of the way. It was the best decision not just for me but for our entire family. Now that he and his little sister are older I opened up a day care but I only operate when the kids are at school and I’m doing so because together with my husband became Bitcoiners soooo I’ve been grinding for sure 😂. Not the way I thought I would but instead I’ve been there to watch both my kids grow up ❤

[@bret-leebowen976]

My mom said to all three of us, to see how we all turned out based on her values and what she taught us , is like having an ifinite value necklace around her neck. That feeling is not something you can purchase.

[@greyfoxice]

I work 50-60 hours a week and when I'm home I'm 100% focused on my kiddos. My wife hired a nanny and when she gets home she sits on her phone for hours while the kiddos beg for her attention.

[@AlyssaIrvine]

And yet you stay knowing this hurts you and the children. So you're both wrong.

[@s.e.studios1386]

thus proving that females aren't necessarily maternal just because they are female.

[@LaitoChen]

@@greyfoxice you should have had this conversation BEFORE you got married. Not everyone wants to be a mom. Can't hurt her for that. Plenty of women who WANT that job. You picked wrong. Not her fault.

[@teyrncousland7152]

@@s.e.studios1386They should be.

[@walkingtrigger8212]

​@LaitoChen it most definitely is her fault. She's a narcissist.

[@lefantomer]

Some of us examine our temperament, our likes and dislikes, our ambitions, our interests, and decide we'd be bad mothers so why do it and destroy ourselves and put a child at risk. The Every Woman Must Have Babies crowd has a fit over this. They are trying to rob us of that choice but we've been through this before and will find a way to protect our rights again.

[@hEV6060842]

Things have changed drastically over the last 50 years. Both parents are having to go out to work full time just to make ends meet. But what’s happening is the dads are going to work, coming home and sitting down and doing next to fuck all. Women on the other hand are expected to work full time and still do all the childcare and chores as if they’re stay at home mams. We’re very tired and burnt out. I have only 1 child, there’s no way I’d have another. Young women are growing up watching older women having to do it all and seeing how depressed and tired we are, it’s no wonder women want to remain childfree. If we want more children born then society needs to be fixed first

[@georgelane9738]

@hEV6060842 The only way to fix society is what we should have done in the 60s when women started entering the workforce in large numbers. Instead of doing the hard work we pressed the easy button and created the long term problem that we are seeing now. Women went to work outside the home because men abused/mistreated/cheated/left them destitute and women went to work to avoid these situations. If we would have put the focus on teaching men to properly care for women and be men that they can rely on, then we could have prevented this problem.

[@johndicks819]

@@hEV6060842 not true at all. There are plenty of men who are willing to come home and split the work, put those are the unattractive ones. They date the guys who look good and are used to getting away with whatever they want because they're pretty. The same way women think they are always going to receive help because they're pretty. Pretty privilege is 99% of the f****** problem

[@1939rhuebner]

@@hEV6060842 We fix it by send women back home instead of working at a job.

[@ClarenceJBoddicker1987]

@@hEV6060842 You never had a Dad.

[@tonyp.bahama9368]

@@hEV6060842 well, you should have chosen better

[@sonicleaves]

Please just let it go. It's obvious that parenthood is not meant for everyone. It's a personal choice and I'm sick of people trying to push others to have kids when they don't want to and they're not going to. Let them be. It's not for you to decide. Get over it.

[@odnilniloc]

These conversations are vitally important.

[@ZubyMusic]

Thanks 🙏🏾

[@esthermarcen7587]

Motherhood is a demanding job and is for ever, that is why women do not want it anymore, is just too much. For me I am so happy i wanted this responsability.

[@geenhern]

As an older Gen Zer, I really think some women my age (mid 20s) just don't want to acknowledge that they are getting older & having a child would force them to acknowledge it (saying this bc it did for me, but at least I'm not in my mid-20s still acting like a damn spoiled middle schooler like some of these girls)

[@RCenal]

Being a father is a demanding job as well No parenting doesn't stop But it was a choice still Life doesn't stop it keeps going regardless of how you feel or what you do Play victim all you want

[@peanutboxes4076]

@@RCenalit’s you playing victim. Enjoy your forever choice and don’t worry about those of us who made the opposite choice. I don’t want to do anything one thing forever. I love seeing me a happy family but it’s not for everyone. Some of us might be out here to be future foster mothers or adopt later in life, or just be around to be “the village” to support the masses of single mothers out there whose men didn’t stick around to raise the kids. My life doesn’t have less value just coz you feel you’re doing something more important than me. And let’s face it, fathers do a fraction of the raising of kids as the mothers do.

[@jnorthr]

In 1960s families could have 3 children and bring them up well on one salary and live well. Not now. We are in very hard times

[@squatchinstrategies800]

Families in 3rd world countries raise multiple children. It's not the economy, it's the culture.

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

*Going off the Gold standard was a mistake as was women entering the labor force enmasse.*

[@krulwurld1791]

I was there in a low income family. Not a time you’d like to visit. Pure sacrifice got my parents through, and that included skipped meals, a handful of clothes which were mended before replaced and ownership of very few personal items. I was 13 in 1968 before we got our first TV. What older people have now took 40-60 years to get. If you aim for 1/40 per year you’ll get there. Not many get it young. My father advised ‘there never was a golden age, except in books - you only get something by refusing something else.’

[@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights]

2x the workforce+ same number of jobs= deflated salary

[@janelleg597]

"Well" is relative term.

[@jimtib8206]

I absolutely agree with her on the extended family separation. I grew up in central Asia with a big extended family, being around the entire family taught me different values and beliefs. I miss my extended family members 😢 ❤

[@jreese2474]

Grew up in a famer community and this was happening back in the 80's to 90's. with the mothers had been telling their daughters don't get trapped here. Even my own mom was like that with my sisters. I graduated late 90's and roughly 80-90% of the girls left the area to jobs or college and all the guys were left at home with no one to date/marry. Internet was just starting no online dating really so over those two decades and beyond, whole families just disappeared. Went back that way for a funeral last year and all the old farms are gone it's all a bedroom community now. Ran into about a dozen friends from HS (Football, wrestling) and out of all of us four are married and only 2 of those have kids. This started long before we all noticed it.

[@zs9652]

I think our species never selected for females that have a deep desire to actually make and raise children. This situation is a good thing because it ensures that the future population will have an in built instinct to have children. Which will be great as technology becomes ever more pervasive.

[@rachelvanzile]

We are demanded to work outside the home PLUS cook, clean, laundry, nurture children, nurture the relationship with the husband, etc. It's hard. And saying it's an unpaid job is out of context. They are saying it's WORK...........They are saying the work HAS value but that some DON’T see the work they do as valuable. Stay at home mom's are looked down upon as less valuable than a woman who brings in money. Raising a family is seen as less valuable and degraded. It is valuable, that's the whole point.

[@ClarenceJBoddicker1987]

Nobody is telling you this. You are beating up a strawman so you can paint other people as unreasonable.

[@MrRicehard]

Looked down on by other women. Not by men!

[@rachelvanzile]

@MrRicehard my experience has been with both. But yes, other women can be horrible. The right man, in my opinion, appreciates and honors women. You are correct.

[@rachelvanzile]

@@ClarenceJBoddicker1987 hmm....not beating anyone up. I am speaking from years of experience.

[@Aaron14ism]

@@rachelvanzile this is an interesting take because I think WOMEN talk down on stay at home moms. Men adore women willing to stay home with the kids. I’d also argue that most women feel they need to work because they want a particular lifestyle which is only attainable from excess as opposed to necessity

[@little_threads_of_grace]

I am a mother of one. I would have gladly given life to more children, however I was abandoned by my ex husband and tossed out of my home to be a single mother. I left most of my items behind, lost my friends and extended family. I learned quickly that men will throw women away if they think the grass is greener elsewhere. I have become a minimalist and have anxiety over relationships of all kinds, not just romantic, because I know that people can toss me aside at a moment's notice. Keep one dufflebag of items so you can move on quickly. I feel sad for my daughter as she has no good male role models.

[@janelleg597]

Sorry but having one duffel bag is NOT the answer, and you are instilling fear and insecurity into your daughter

[@angryox3102]

“I learned quickly that men will throw women away if they think the grass is greener elsewhere.” That’s a human trait, it isn’t specific to men. I’m sorry you went through all of that though.

[@josephjoy2245]

I’m taking a guess, but you probably were batting out of your league with a Chad

[@maddib1723]

As a married woman with two this is my worst fear..

[@maddib1723]

​@@josephjoy2245sisters ex did this.. fat truckie with no teeth for another woman she was 21 hes 39 my sister 29.. happened last year

[@shiggins9]

43/M I have a Master's degree but still never had a salary, health insurance, benefits, or 401K. I can survive in this gig economy but I think the moral and responsible thing to do is not to bring kids into this situation.

[@s.e.studios1386]

The right will never admit it's the economy.

[@savagesweetheart90]

​@@s.e.studios1386even though they bitch about it ALL the time but clearly can't see the correlation. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@nette9836]

....it's because of economics. Simple. I literally have spent thousands on just medical costs so far having my son. Thousands. For basic prenatal care and delivery. 🙄 And our insurance is considered good in dystopian U.S. landscape. Give me a break. This conversation reaks of ignorance and delusion about the real reasons women skip motherhood these days.

[@skylinefever]

It sounds like the "You could afford a house if you did not buy Starbucks, Netflix, and avocado toast" non-arguments. I understand that it isn't 100% economic, but to act as if the economy can keep getting shittier for the commoner everyday and not have people opt out of kids because of it is absurd.

[@themadpolymath3430]

No its because most women are captured by anti human feminist movement, which is a weapon designed to reduce human population. The impact to the economy is a self inflicted side effect of rich billionaires funding feminism so they can have more workers, its women fault the economy is so screwed. All women should quit thier jobs and get married, and watch the economy bounce back to a certain degree. But you won't, so enjoy the slow burn towards extinction.

[@RCenal]

There are a few reasons why people don't want to have kids It doesn't matter the reason Its still a choice not a requirement

[@The430philosopher]

I just brought this up with my wife. I think we're looking back on the 1950's as this golden era to return to when it was actually only ever a transitional period into what we have now. That's not the model we should be trying to emulate. I'm personally convinced the modern welfare state, particularly SS is largely responsible for the breakdown in multigenerational living. We moved the responsibility for taking care of the elderly from the elderly people's kids to everyone's kids. It gave the illusion of independence, and created a tragedy of the commons. If you know you're going to need your kids to support you when you get old, you make sure you have kids and that they get good educations. When you think someone else's kids are going to make a credit transfer to support you, you lose that motivation to do it yourself.

[@adararelgnel2695]

@The430philosopher sure, but there's also this culture now of rights and not of obligations. People will scoff at you for assuming that your children should have an obligation to take care of you when you're old. No one is obligated to do anything. Everyone has rights and they must be given to you by government.

[@VerminaeSupremacy]

US 1950 were a terribly unfair outlier. Our mothers always had to work and juggle second shift at home, men were either traumatized drunks or nonexistent because of WW2. The amount of DV and toxicity resonates throughout society to this day. You had it unfairly great and should not look back at that like at something normal.

[@TshepoKotelo]

​@@adararelgnel2695The government can't give you rights, it has never done so and has only taken them away. Rights come from God

[@manifest2203]

Really? So you will have more kids so that they take care you? Do you think it is easy to get jobs today? Making money, finding education, healthcare are all cheap for you?

[@The430philosopher]

@@manifest2203 we've created an unsustainable system where the incentive structure works against family formation. That's what the people in the video are saying. That's what I'm saying. We've drifted away from traditions and practices that necessity forced on us, and replaced them with ill advised policies, stop gaps, that are not sustainable. The path back is going to be painful. There's no easy way to extract ourselves from the current dynamic. Geez, it's almost too complicated to sum up in a comment. Everything works in tandem. Industrialization-driven shifts toward centralized production and collective solutions has created a feedback loop of dependency, rising costs, and diminished personal responsibility. This loop, reinforced by democratic incentives, makes modern lifestyles unsustainable by discouraging reproduction and limiting individual freedom to escape or innovate alternatives.

[@kevingonzalez3673]

I hear more and more people say they do not want kids because they way things are in the world today. This just makes the way things are worse. People need to be brave and take back the world from the chaos.

[@truthseeker-xb5sv]

@@kevingonzalez3673 facts on facts.

[@HishamMahmudinOC]

easier said than done⁉

[@geenhern]

​@@HishamMahmudinOCyet some of us are actually trying. Really sick of the hopeless narrative.

[@kevingonzalez3673]

@@HishamMahmudinOC true

[@kevingonzalez3673]

@@geenhern there are relatively normal people out there. Seek and find them.

[@bolotabr12]

Having children cost money and with this economic troubles we are having, it's not selfish of not having them.

[@RCenal]

Absolutely Though i will add it doesn't matter the economy If someone doesn't want kids Its still not selfish Its a choice not a requirement

[@VerminaeSupremacy]

Russian late millennial here. A lot of Russian women would love to have kids but economy is not great, housing is inaccessible and poverty is almost a guarantee for a single mom of 2+ unless she’s a rarely gifted careerist and kids are raised by a granny. The roles in modern society shifted significantly, Mary Harrington I think explained perfectly how industrial societies working outside of households actually complicated child rearing. It’s not enough to just bring home fat paycheck unless you can provide for all of you plus maid and nurse, at least sometimes. The smaller amount of people, usually mother, is required to do the bigger amount of chores (automatization notwithstanding, managing and keeping everything in mind is also a lot of mental work), and you have to watch out for toddlers 27/7 with little rest for several years, or accidents happen, your offspring eats dishwasher tablet and you’re charged with neglect. Men still traditionally are of little use even if the paycheck is equal or work hours of both constitute to full-time employment, most were kissed in their bums by their helicopter moms, don't know how to do all the household duties or just don’t feel obligated to care for a child up to a standard (stories of mom getting sick and child and house being neglected because of weaponized incompetence are many). I have to mention that in our country a lot of men vanish in the first several years, unable to level up to fatherhood, because their wife grows sick and tired and disgusted with lack of help, and kids are a lot to manage as one person. Moms need their sleep and shower at the very least, you know, and many men will want a body of their partner to bounce back, which requires gym, self-care time and healthy nutrition. A lot of men are addicts of different kinds and act no better than toddlers themselves. We have millions of bread and milk fathers who don’t pay child support what so ever. So, unless a woman is sure she can do alright as a single mother, not to break emotionally under duress, and kids are rarely the delight if you’re sleep-deprived for months, not become a jaded abuser or neglectful mom of latchkey kids (again, Russian perspective here), they refuse to have kids. People with extended family and owned housing are more likely go have the’, but even with all the gov support lack of physical presence of partner in parenting is a good repellent for most. We are not getting healthier as a specie, too, with modern medicine insuring almost all survive, no matter how weak, and do you know what it means? See, I am myself IT worker, but will make for poor mother, since I am neurologically impaired and often suffer from migraines for days if overworked. I can program robot sweeper and plan my life to be as little chores as possible, maybe hire part-time maid and nurse, but ecology doesn’t get better, my kids might be same as me or worse, on autistic spectrum, and in this scenario I am royally effed for life if I roll the dice poorly. I would rather clean my cat’s litter box and live childless, and I have a good partner with whom we communicate, than risk going into wheelchair 10 years younger and having partner that will be mentally unprepared to step up and just take baby in his hands and work from home remote, because my hands are trembling and I have bouts of physical weakness even now, aged 29. And I want kids. But with no support net (our moms have to work till 60+ and grandmas require care themselves), no prenuptial agreement making my man primary caregiver in case we fall out of something happens to me during pregnancy and birth, and I don’t care if I am rendered disabled, it’s about kids’ security, I won’t risk it. TL;DR In times past women had no economic freedom and were household's backbone regardless of their wishes. Many are traumatized from torn apart households of post-industrial era and just don't want to become their mothers, forsaken or never taken proper care of by their husbands and lovers. Economy is not great, single mom is poverty almost guaranteed, and most would rather feed a pet than struggle for 20 years with deadbeat partner who only works while wife works job and works home, or divorcing and chasing child support from their mental toddler of a partner. Extended families and tight communities are almost all in ruins, governmental childcare, if there is any, is almost nonexistent, nobody can become your help if you go sick or go through PPD or PPP, and you'll be legally charged with neglect if anything happens. And you know, in the glamorized past kids raised themselves with almost no reprecussions if they were dumb enough to fall into river and eat a lethal dirtpie.

[@KidPoe]

@@VerminaeSupremacy people don’t want to talk about how modern women are expected to take on more roles then women of the past. Those women got to be stay at home mothers only. Now we have to be mother AND BREED WINNERS at the same time. Both mother and father roles. While men have stayed with the same role: breed winner.

[@VerminaeSupremacy]

@ I think it’s bread, not breed. But yeah, we have a saying here “я и лошадь, я и бык, я и баба, и мужик” which I would rhyme something along the lines “Both an ox and a working horse, mother-father fills both roles”. It has been this way since WW2, most men are in some capacity deadbeat drones because they’re scarce (mostly due to addiction and reckless behavior) like women in China and Putin paying cash for the drones to go and fertilize soil is actually ingenious way of ridding impoverished families of DV in case daddy doesn’t survive and kids get to go to college by quotas even if they’re dumb as rock and poor as dirt.

[@LisaS483]

You guys are neglecting to mention the economics here. Most families cannot survive on one income, there is no federally mandated maternity leave, and childcare costs are astronomical. We need to address these issues FIRST before we can address these other issues…

[@themadpolymath3430]

All caused by feminism. Congrat girls you played yourselves, just as indented

[@RCenal]

Why should there be Its not the governments job or your employers job to give you luxuries You are an adult And then a parent Its your job not anyone elses If someone chooses to be a parent Why should society lean on everyone else for their own choice

[@peanutboxes4076]

It’s mostly other women shaming childless unmarried women for their choices. I think it’s jealousy. I do not want kids. And that renders marriage pointless for me. I am 41, and enjoy moving around a lot, switching things up, changing locations etc. can’t do that with a family to be responsible for. I choose freedom for myself. I see single mothers everywhere pushing prams with screaming autistic kids, this is the norm. It’s more common than a happy nuclear family these days. I choose to never be a single mother. I was raised by one, it looked hard and my mother didn’t enjoy it. She’s resented me for it forever. This is the reality. Women cannot depend on men to stick around to raise a family. So some women opt of of the game. Why does this upset so many people? You worried about the lack of future tax payers? How does it effect anyone other than the person who made the choice to not have kids?

[@KinkyCurlyAmber]

Right! I will never let someone guilt trip me into having kids! I want zero chance of becoming a single mother. We as a society already have to struggle financially and they push having kids as if that’s going to lighten the burden and come at a free cost. Also Not every woman is going to be able to be a stay at home mother with a good man that respects her and WANTS to provide for her and the kids. I would rather regret not having kids rather than birth them and resent them and make their lives hell.

[@LauraSnow-in3nx]

An unmarried man telling women unmarried and married to go have kids how many kids does this guy have?

[@YoJoRockThaBeat]

Society sees Unqualified men as infinitely better than women no matter what.

[@mall3954]

Some people are so against motherhood, they are literally trying to force women to put their children in childcare rather than support them to find better ways to ensure proper nurturing, education, and bonding with the child….early childhood education didn’t always exist and hasn’t necessarily made kids smarter or more equipped

[@jimmyjay689]

I asked my daughter what she wants to do for a living when she gets older...her reply, "cant I stay home like Mom and raise a family"...🥰...told her its her choice to make...but told her its hard to choose both

[@sneezyfido]

Parenting was made void when fathers were pushed out. Everything else is a made bed

[@Hipshair]

I think many millennial women watched her boomer mothers struggle to raise children without the help of extended families and are choosing something else.

[@TheGoldenCapstone]

Yeah they're choosing consumerism and materialism.

[@dakotathompson8062]

@@TheGoldenCapstoneding ding ding🚨🚨

[@snowbird1381]

It doesn’t help when everyone in your town is too confused about their genders to settle down.

[@harrymills2770]

My older sister is well into her 60s, now. Her greatest joy and what gives her life meaning is her extended family. Sons, daughters, grandsons and granddaughters. The women who are foregoing that are denying their own nature, and will likely be sad and/or bitter (like now, only more so) as they age.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

Are we denying our nature? Or are we actually for a brief moment in human history actually able to choose what we really want? Some of us anyway. As there are millions of women still today who have the choice taken from them

[@manifest2203]

That is not true at all. Not all wmn want chldrn. A lot of wmn get put off.

[@skylinefever]

That also assumes nobody ever resented the kids they do have.

[@geenhern]

​​@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm in 90% of cases you are indeed denying your nature & doing what toxic feminism tells you to do. Take it from another female who used to buy into that nonsense but then started actually thinking for herself. Btw I'm still going for a career, but given that it's teaching/education I'd say my heart is on how I contribute to society & impact kids lives, not money money & more money Also, you likely live in America or another western nation, so yes you definitely have more rights than a woman in Saudia Arabia, but you take them for granted.

[@geenhern]

​@@skylinefeversounds like you need therapy for mommy/daddy issues. They shouldn't have treated you that way if they did resent you, but if you don't move past it it'll chain you forever. Again, speaking from experience.

[@JT-mr3db]

The observed truth is that it is incredibly expensive to live in a modern world without 2 incomes. So having children absolutely becomes an economic consideration that folks need to make, along with a spiritual one if that's your thing. People, in general, have lived the majority of their lives in relative excess without children, and you just cant un-live that experience. It's a sugar hit that sadly many people don't want to water down. Societies pressure and expectation to live the good life, which often means, to live in excess, is overly valued and quite frankly, false economy.

[@MMAStriking]

Woman have to work now to make ends meet. You cannot expect women to work full time and come home and be a full-time wife and mother.

[@bolotabr12]

Exactly!

[@geenhern]

I'm going to make it work, because personally I don't use the fact that I am female as an excuse to act like a victim. Life is hard no matter who you are or what you choose, get over it.

[@salishapeters8038]

@@geenhern take it from people who lived it. It’s not that easy. Forever is a long time.

[@observerealityinhd290]

Women chose this economic situation. By women entering the workforce in mass the economy adapted to the increase of the available workers now women have to work to support their family.

[@MMAStriking]

@observerealityinhd290 The Federal Reserve devalued the dollar so women were forced into the workforce to make ends meet.

[@skylinefever]

Either that, or masses were only having kids due to "Go forth and multiply or burn in hell" sermons, and resented the kids they did have.

[@Tresdrole123]

Modern women is such a crazy term. Why don’t we refer to any man who is not in the trades or not married by 30 as a modern man?

[@hannahi9355]

@@Tresdrole123 because of the double standard. Women are to blame for all of society's problems and men are the victims.

[@aalleexxx0011]

@@Tresdrole123 it’s also hilarious when you see that these self proclaimed traditional men actually can’t handle a traditional woman. They’ll say women are gold diggers and shallow if they want them to make money and be strong. But they’re the ones saying they’re going to be providers and protectors 😭

[@ZubyMusic]

The term 'modern man' is used plenty.

[@Tresdrole123]

@ only with positive connotations, along with imagines of human evolution phases. The term modern women has connotations of misogyny, so I asked in jest why we don’t use the term modern men as one that is misandrist?

[@uncannytheos2454]

Men generally have never changed since society in the west is still being maintained and functioning. Men understand duty. Men can't pick and choose like women do, Men also don't have safety next so Men are an will continue to just be Men.

[@gloriathomas3245]

Why are they skipping motherhood? Perhaps it has something to do with the growing number of couples with children who now declare that rushing to have children was the biggest mistake they made. It makes you wonder why those who do have grown children are now telling them not rush to have children. It's better not to have children than having to live with the regrets down the road when reality kicks in. I know because I come into contact with many couples who chose not to have children and they all say the same thing..not having children was the best decision they made and one they don't regret.

[@savagesweetheart90]

The ONLY people that regret not having children are the fence-sitters (childless) I've known since I was 10 years old that I never wanted children and usually with that self-awareness, there are no regrets.

[@theaniebeanie123]

It's a shame this is where we are as a society. Women skipping one of the greatest joys in life and instead choosing a career and/or abortion. I pray my daughter does not go down this path. I do believe a majority of these women will regret not having children one day.

[@hoopandhands3328]

They already do. It's a huge polling point, and talked about in numerous stories every year. Dating apps reported getting huge numbers of 35-45 year old women single women who pay to find suitable men as a latch ditch effort to have a family.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

I had one child. Hes so autistic you can see it immediately upon looking at him. Hes 15. He probably wont ever drive, work, have a relationship, and will feel lost and lonely and unwanted by anyone but me. Now I get to watch him suffer and Ill probably never have the peace a parent must feel when they know when the parent dies the child can take care of themselves. It sucks.

[@skylinefever]

It is the greatest joys of life for those who actually get those joys. Otherwise, people can no more see the advantage of having kids as they can see the advantage in getting a horse.

[@angryox3102]

Abortion went from being viewed as rare but necessary to the default thought to women when a pregnancy occurs.

[@Ap_twsh]

very sad for kids being born today.

[@skylinefever]

@@Ap_twsh It will be interesting to see if after abortion bans, kids end up like they did in communist Romania.

[@kenofken9458]

No. Abortion numbers peaked in 1991 and fell by more than half from 1981-2017. The numbers always fell faster during Democratic administrations. They have been up since then but still far below historic levels.

[@manifest2203]

Vasectomy appointments increased by 1200%. Mn shld stop this and be willing to fthr a chld everytime they have smex and be willing to provide for that chld.

[@apebass2215]

It's not the "default thought" for women when pregnancy occurs. Most pregnancies are still very much wanted.

[@AlyssaIrvine]

People can barely afford to take care of themselves at this point. Have you seen the video of an entire family living in a 1 bedroom? Benefits, groceries, housing etc are unattainable for one person in some cases. It's not just feminism. It's the current state of affairs.

[@skylinefever]

Critics will always point to times where 5 kids lived in one unsanitary mud hut, then say that economics has zero influence. It fails to ask how many of those 5 kids were wanted, agreed to, or raised with proper care.

[@TheGoldenCapstone]

Oh em gee! Did you see the big scary video that said how living in a dirty, overpopulated, corrupt urban area makes it hard to own a home and buy food?! 🤣🤣🤣

[@rangerone8813]

The family is the forgotten pattern that binds society together. The mother-father-child bond, each person holding to their direct relatives, those who created them and those whom they created, connects every human being to every other human being. If mother, father or child are not considered a necessary duty, then no one is obligated to anyone, and no one is entitled to anyone.

[@joane24]

The problem for women isn't that they're not paid a wage for housekeeping and care of a baby. The problem is that they're NOT APPRECIATED for it. They're told by society their effort and labor is worth less because they don't bring actual money in. I also found that American people are much more focused on and prioritizing money above anything else, including education or social status/class.

[@edenbreckhouse]

Women were indoctrinated by other women.

[@dakotathompson8062]

Literally no one has ever said that. Most people greatly appreciate it.

[@LisaS483]

You guys failed to address some very basic practical issues. Most families can’t survive on one income, there’s no federally mandated maternity leave, and childcare costs are astronomical.

[@Ap_twsh]

Although the extended family is important, the only way to have any connection to the extended family is through a healthy relationship between the father and mother. So no matter how you see it the father and mother have to be together or the extended family doesn't coexist with either. Also these days woman that have children out of a relationship or marriage expect the grandparents to care for the child 90% of the time even though it isn't the grandparents responsibility.

[@peters4115]

It starts to make sense that the story of humans start off with Eve not being content with paradise and getting all of us kicked out for her own selfish desires 😂😂😭 story as old as time

[@AfterLife-t8c]

Not to worry. It will all sort itself out in 80 years.

[@lolahernandez6871]

Some women just don't want kids 🤷‍♀️

[@ZubyMusic]

~10%

[@uncannytheos2454]

Then those women aren't entitled to a man's protection or resources. If anything, leave men alone that do won't children

[@lolahernandez6871]

@uncannytheos2454 I married a good, gentle, kind man who protects me 🥰🥰.

[@skylinefever]

I argue that the problem of social conservatism is that it decides that if something is good for the masses, all must do it. It then turns the misfits into square pegs hammered in round holes. The misfits rise up, then make the world crap for the normies. I do not know if there will ever be a balance which has norms, but also has enough space for the outliers.

[@KinkyCurlyAmber]

@@uncannytheos2454 why would a woman or man who doesn’t want kids chase after the ones who have them?

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

I can’t get enough of hearing childless, wealthy 30/40-something, unmarried podcast bros talk about this 😂

[@c.f.okonta8815]

@@LadyMarigoldWithers those so called childless 30-40 something unmarried bros will get married someday.

[@joane24]

@ Or not. And having children late - yes, I mean for men, it's not just an issue for women - also isn't great.

[@c.f.okonta8815]

@@joane24 having kids late is more an issue for women than men because of the biological clock

[@joane24]

@c.f.okonta8815 I didn't says it isn't _more_ of an issue for a woman. I said it's _also_ an issue for men. Some people forget that and think it's no problem at all.

[@joane24]

@c.f.okonta8815 Btw,.men have biological clock too. We _all_ are getting older and our fertility and the quality thereof is decreasing, not just for women (more drastically), but for men _as well._ Then, raising kids as you're older has also its share of difficulties.

[@hoopandhands3328]

That corporate job won't be with you at the end, (especially if it's not a skill position) and from what I've learned and been told, it's extremely hard to make good friends as an older retirement age adult. Doesn't mean if you have a family they'll always be around, but it helps a lot of people feel happiness, and promotes positive mental health for seniors, especially if you're the catalyst that got your family there. The whole "rich aunt" thing isn't the flex people think it is either because it's already been found that it actually creates more family division in most cases.

[@manifest2203]

But women shouldn’t be prioritising men at all. Decentering men is the best thing any woman can do. Even getting with high value men is rarely worth it. It brings its own set of headaches, problems and control. But the competition for these men is so high and not worth the effort when the chance of success is low and after getting him, he is even more insufferable. Investing in herself with all her time and effort will give her far more rewards later on. Nothing is worth more than freedom. If a woman wants marriage and kids, she should play the field and then get with an average man when she wants to settle, but still be cautious about everything while in the relationship and not baby him. If a woman wants only a child, there are options for that too. In any case, the woman should have fewer kids later in life. But always, always prioritise lifetime financial stability and security above all else. Ofcourse being child free by choice and single is the best thing if she wants the best quality of life.

[@AlyssaIrvine]

Money invested and managed will take care of you through goods and services bought. You think a state run facility is going to be great? People get dumped off in homes all the time and have families. No guarantees.

[@hoopandhands3328]

@@AlyssaIrvine You're right, but I'm not talking about having kids for the sake of them taking care of you. If you do that, that means you failed somewhere along the way. I'm talking about the emotional gratitude it provides, which has already been found to be a major boost. Grandparents wildly live longer and are more fulfilled. Also most people have no real legitimate retirement because most people are financially inept.

[@hoopandhands3328]

@@manifest2203 Nothing is worth more than freedom is something I agree with. But you're not talking about freedom, you're talking about isolation, which literally causes people to die sooner. On top of that, saying a woman should just settle with an average man just because, it 1. Not fair to that man who may be putting in his all and 2. Not fair to those kids, who could easily become disillusioned with you should they find that out. Sounds like you want nothing to do with anyone which is more than fine.

[@manifest2203]

@ wmn are usually better in nurturing othr reltionships. Wmn shld focus on that instead of mn.

[@LDQBBQ]

Father of a 16 month old. It's the greatest thing ever.

[@AlyssaIrvine]

Yes because you didn't have to carry it and birth it.

[@LDQBBQ]

@AlyssaIrvine so real talk. My wife has wanted to be a mom more than anything in the world. We went through IVF and were lucky to have a successful, healthy pregnancy. My wife loves that baby more than anything in the world, and I feel the same way. I'm not sure why you have negative feelings about our situation when we both willfully went into this. And, babies are not "it". They're humans. What you said is dehumanizing and I'm sorry you don't have love in your heart.

[@vanessa.jasmine]

Women stayed home to raise children, men went off to battle. But for some reason, we don't talk about the decline in male military enlistment as a cause for concern.

[@gamestorm-tz2rw]

Because major wars aren't happening right now ,also men are still put in draft in order to be able to vote whearas a women doesn't even have to in many countries. Don't try to spout feminist anti truths for your own benefit. And women stayed home because they are weak and incapable fighting wars they aren't brave or are capable to digest the brutalities of war in general. On of top that women like ya'll have audacity to not be thankful if men who sacrificed themselves so that you don't have to and even if given the chance most of you won't draft yourself to the war.

[@dakotathompson8062]

I’m currently in the Army. It is the softest most pathetic shit ever. Our entire military is structured to cater and incentivize women.

[@boreofwrath837]

Breeders are wannabee gods reenacting their cultures' creation stories. Kids playing with fire. Of all the gods I've ever heard of throughout the years none of them inspire the flattery of imitation, at least for me.

[@minimatemasterworks]

You have a chance to have one if not several of the best relationships of your life. I just don't get how these people throw that away with vitriol.

[@michaelrobertson1736]

Congrats! The guest was was a dedicated feminist Soldier and instrumental in the decline 👏

[@Themusicalhealer]

I see alot of dogs in strollers now, thats crazy😂

[@krulwurld1791]

So, later in life, when friends have drifted away or died, or when illness or the infirmity of age comes knocking, who will call around to see if they’re ok. They’re looking at a very lonely life. They’ll need to pay for the smallest need. From their 40s most of their income will go to preparing for old age. At the end, who will bury them and who will they leave everything to. Who do they matter to - friends won’t care and either will their jobs. Men expect this but women like social interaction.

[@tranquilbakergentletraveller]

@@krulwurld1791 There are no guarantees in life. People get divorced, one partner can pass away much earlier than the other, children can become estranged from their parent/parents.

[@krulwurld1791]

@ I fear that there will be isolation on an industrial scale in the future.

[@AlyssaIrvine]

Look into who gets left in morgues unclaimed. Hint: It's not women.

[@KylecoreGuitar]

What is both hilariously ironic and extremely sad is that many of these women who view all of their relationships as transactional and think that money is the only thing that matters are the same ones that are always up in arms about how evil capitalism is, as if they aren’t living out the worst example of it. It’s honestly just a very shallow existence and will lead to them being unhappy and lonely. That goes for anyone who has that mindset, not just women. What is the point of all your money and things when you have no one to share it with (who doesn’t just want to use you)?

[@marthaolmsted4029]

I don't think anyone argued for the nuclear family to the exclusion of the extended family. When people moved from the country to the city or suburbs after WWII, they were of course also leaving extended family. Nuclear family is better than a broken family, but bring back the extended family would be great for everyone but assisted care facilities.

[@drkimap5784]

The economy is a major factor and in my case experiencing repeated abuse by men since I was a child made me not want to be a mom.

[@ZubyMusic]

Understandable but unfortunate.

[@drkimap5784]

@ thank you for responding and understanding. I see a lot of commentary where populating the planet falls onto women only where a great number of us would have had families by now had we been able to find men who didn’t abandon us at the first sign of conflict, much less a pregnancy (which the latter has happened to me and many other women in my social circle). I would love to see dialogue where women wanting to skip motherhood isn’t viewed as a selfish, immature, or trendy act.

[@matrice3]

Great video! People need to hear this. And one comment, every man born came from a woman, except one man, Adam. He came from the earth and was created by God his Father. He was the only man that never had a mother, only a Father. :)

[@mister-zen8491]

Birth control pills play a HUGE role in attraction which is another reason why we have childless women. Plus, if the body thinks its pregnant all the time: Why would any woman want kids?

[@petearsenault]

Thank you for reminding me I'm not going crazy for trying to translate the inversion into reality

[@LauraSnow-in3nx]

I love how he wants to bring up the Bible and what the Bible says about having kids, but not once does he bring up with Bible says about being married first not once does he bring up the fact about what it says about marriage and how men are supposed to love their wives like Christ love the church. Christ died for the church, and he never brings up the fact that it says what it says in the Bible about women being submissive either he doesn’t bring up marriage. He just brings up the kid part but you can’t have one without the other according to the Bible so let’s not just bring up half of it.

[@savagesweetheart90]

Or the apostle Paul who is unmarried and childless, seems they skip over that too 🤔

[@JeffCaplan313]

Women pay men to pay women. This world is stupid.

[@salishapeters8038]

“Women spend more” yes we do, on what tho? On things for the FAMILY, not themselves. Who is stocking your house full of the things you love? The woman. And on the point of putting a value on housework and raising a family. Yes women need to be recognized for doing the hardest job on earth, raising new human beings! Men can’t fathom the sacrifice women make to raise the kids and keep a man happy. Women feel under appreciated and taken advantage of, thus divorce. Gina is spot on with us needing a community to raise the children, a mom by herself at home is lonely and depressing with no extended familial help, it’s a losing battle. And zuby you def have heard and seen the trad wives online, we all see it. It’s almost nauseating how fake they are

Zuby's speech cadence reminds me of Candace Owens.

[@marlomchenry1784]

Even if more women wanted to become moms...one cannot act like raising a family does not cost anything.One cannot pay,rent,bills and put food on the table with thin air.Women and girls shoukd have the right to be parents or not.If a woman wants to be a mom..she should get respect.Motherhood is important.But if a woman do not want kids..that shoukd be respected.On grandma and grandpa helping out...a lot of baby boomers work to make end meet.A loy of older adults work so the babysitting in going to be limited.People shoukd respect people who want their own kids but childfree people need to be respected too.

[@ChickityChicken]

Nope no respect given. I respect sacrifice.

[@JoeBlow-tf4cc]

Oh yes, a lot of them are skipping motherhood, after their kids are born. Deadbeat is now an gender equal shared description .

[@Malevolentguppy]

Its selfishness, plain and simple. All the other "eeasons" are based in "me me me".

[@skylinefever]

If that's such a problem, make altruism work better. Besides, the most selfish people have kids to baby trap the unwilling in a relationship, or to farm more welfare checks.

[@gunnerycaptain6158]

Viewing children as an economic unit? That's a new take on the issue, well done Gina (I think that's her name).

[@savagesweetheart90]

Maybe because its a choice instead of an obligation. Also, if you want kids so bad have more or go adopt one of the millions that are in the foster care system and just leave the people (men and women) who don't want any children the f**k alone. Live and let live, easy right?

[@FranciscoAlvarado-vh8xk]

Make Women great again

[@ickster23]

It think it exposes the myth of woman being nurturing, compassionate, and altruistic.

[@Misanthropist-s8i]

life changed; women choices were limited, and everything was predetermined for them unlike now and let's be honest it's not easy thing to be a father or mother and not worth it for many people

[@lindaostrom570]

modern parents of adult children may decide to walk away too. wha wha wha ..t never stops they are all late mid age now and i am over it.

[@keithjackson2035]

The planet is not hurting for people.

[@ChickityChicken]

10 000 years and ... we're done.

[@TexMarque]

The 400 plus year history of North America is of the nuclear family and pioneers in a mostly empty wilderness. Since the Second World War, we've simply found that moving around for economic advantage is the route to prosperity. Most applaud this environment but the result is the fracturing of the extended family.

[@hhgneon]

Motherhood is being always paid.

[@funnylumpy]

Plenty of women have kids but are not mothers. They throw out the man for no good reason most of the time. Lie to the kids about the father to alienates the kids for their father. Use kindergarden, pre school and school as babysitters. Women since 70s have done this. The biys were thaught to be yhema the mother wanted and the girls were thaught all men are bad. This trope you can watch in many movies and series that from the 80s single parents became regular occurance and for each generation since then it grew worse. Who to blame? I know cooperations wanted a bigger work force and cheaper labour for one, but they couldnt have done it without men trying to oander to women and women becoming extremely selfish. There is no way out of this I am afraid. Western society is broken and it will catch up with most of the world inthe future.

[@realgems24]

Trad wife doesn't have to be 1950s extreme.

[@alexanderhawk2659]

Never let the woman lead, lest you both be cast out of paradise

[@lovelessjams2720]

Fulfilling narcissistic desires and the showy display of ones means of life.

[@Ava-ex8og]

❤❤❤

[@aslkdjfzxcv9779]

you see the symptoms but the cause eludes you.

[@RevivedSaiyan]

DON'T WANT KIDS. THEN READ BELOW. 3:20 . What's gonna happen when everyone you know is gone to age and your all that's left. When your In a hospital, think of how empty the room will be and the people around aren't anyone you know. There's the answer if people can picture it. As you age, your children would be working at home for Abit aswell not full rent Abit to help. A bigger family means (as long as you don't make everyone hate you, the ones who will want to help and be around when your older.) Should be obvious bigger family is better than none. If you can deal with struggling all your old age then yeah don't have kids . But if you don't then change course now.

[@jacksparrow9227]

Like the Tom Hanks movie Here

[@w3n33dam1racl3]

No we arent getting paid.

[@nmc1859]

Many narcissists / narc mentality among the boomers. What kind of family do narcissists make???? Ptoblem started w the boomer generation

[@MarkTurner-vs7uc]

They have no business being aroud kids.

[@dominijerzboi]

8:32 she claims that people on the right are hyper focused on the nuclear family you mean stressing the importance of family formation in a health function city? Since the cultural revolutions of the 60s feminist, liberal progressive, and social Marxism have push society and our culture in accepting and normalizing hedonism over family. Their hyper focus on breaking up the nuclear family so that they can push women into the work force and children into daycare and government schools via public education has been a detriment to generations to come. What I do agree with is that people have forgot about the importance of extended family. In the past it was extended family typically living under the same roof or in the same neighborhood that helped raise the children. There are a lot of factors to why the extended family was dissolved. Part of this includes urbanization, modernity, technology, ever changing economic environments, and other top down cultural influences.

[@CephlonMayngrum]

Don't worry, elon's robots will make great parents

[@TheInfinitymath]

Interesting ideas for a vexing problem.

[@Mary-dk7mc]

Your guest is so out of touch with what women think and feel. I don't feel like my thoughts are represented by her and you are a man so I didn't expect it to be.

[@Mary-dk7mc]

she's just agreeing with everything you say like "yeah" "yeah"

[@Mary-dk7mc]

Both of you are out of touch

[@Mary-dk7mc]

Do street interviews or give real women the opportunity to chime in and talk to you online. Not Gina the Conservative influencer

[@ChickityChicken]

I feel - means you dont think logically.

[@manifest2203]

Women shouldn’t be prioritising men at all. Decentering men is the best thing any woman can do. Even getting with high value men is rarely worth it. It brings its own set of headaches, problems and control. But the competition for these men is so high and not worth the effort when the chance of success is low and after getting him, he is even more insufferable. Investing in herself with all her time and effort will give her far more rewards later on. Nothing is worth more than freedom. If a woman wants marriage and kids, she should play the field and then get with an average man when she wants to settle, but still be cautious about everything while in the relationship and not baby him. If a woman wants only a child, there are options for that too. In any case, the woman should have fewer kids later in life. But always, always prioritise lifetime financial stability and security above all else. Ofcourse being child free by choice and single is the best thing if she wants the best quality of life.

[@johnbrown1867]

Constantly living in fear, that doesn't sound neurotic at all.

[@manifest2203]

@@johnbrown1867 sngle chld free wmn live l8nger than mar5ried wmn. It is the opposite for mn. Wmn are actually happ5ier, hea6thier, wea4lthier without a husbnd who su3cks her life f5orce.

[@manifest2203]

@@johnbrown1867 it’s not about that. It’s about being smart and cho5osing betta. Not cho4osing mn is the best option.

[@DaneContessaFTW]

This comes from a society of women that have become selfish and value their happiness higher than anything else. That is what the problem is. Why else would women be against having kids and family. When you have those, there is a chance you’ll be unhappy at times and that does not fly with them.

[@skylinefever]

People are plenty unhappy already, they just don't see kids as making providing a better ratio of happiness to misery.

[@DaneContessaFTW]

Doubt it, people “think” they are miserable because they can’t afford a 3 bedroom house at 23.

[@skylinefever]

@@DaneContessaFTW People can't make themselves think themselves happier because meditation, prayer, stoicism, and motivational bullshit doesn't work for them.

[@jacksparrow9227]

Anyone can understand that if they have a brain cell