Why Mojang Hates Its Own Modders

[@skyboimc]

Your browser is holding you back. Level up with Opera GX: operagx.gg/SkyBoi CORRECTIONS: - Lunar Client did not steal Replay Mod. According to the owner, they did not realize they were breaking the license. - The clip at the start IS a mod from 2010, but the video itself is a few years newer. - I plan to make a follow up video covering WHY Microsoft is doing this, including insider info from a top developer. Originally not allowing creators to be paid was a decision by Notch to create a community of hobbyists, but Microsoft realized they could use it to profit in a completely different, much more sinister way through bedrock's marketplace. The same monopolistic practice big tech has been using for decades, of creating a bottleneck in which they take an insane cut of all profits from community driven content.

[@GetAubed_YT]

bet

[@GetAubed_YT]

yo i downloaded opera im using it rn

[@gansters39gaming33]

why does this guy onley have 83k subs

[@Respear]

L spyware

[@Respear]

@@GetAubed_YT it has a chinese spyware and it will sell your data use brave instead

[@animalmace]

It's funny how Bedrock got add ons which are basically mods right when this got uploaded

[@flooriiian]

they always had add-ons, just that you couldnt use them outside of a specified map. add-ons can either be bought now or freely imported by downloading them online.

[@thedragonsden2004]

@@flooriiian they recetly had an update that allows you to use maketplace addons on any world, you just have to buy the addons not the maps

[@danieltucker9330]

@@thedragonsden2004 yeah I think that's what he meant

[@plaguedoctor1173]

yeah I think it was a good decision to make addons purchasable in the market place since you could already buy them through maps anyway. I dont see anything wrong with it and I think its great because it gives those creators a real good way to make money. I personally will still probably use free addons since Im not really into buying addons when I can go on Mcpedl or something similar and get a good addon for free.

[@sploshsploosh]

the choice between spending money on generally lower quality mods and getting generally higher quality mods for free

[@glintcoretheprotogen]

"i can make thqt joke becquse i code plugins" final words of skyboi before the modding community breaks into his home

[@postalatom256]

Thqt

[@mortadaisprettyepic]

@@postalatom256 becquse

[@danieltheiceberg9356]

minor spelling mistake

[@Random_editz100]

@@danieltheiceberg9356 minor spelling mistqke*

[@Random_editz100]

finql

[@TheNamesFathom]

I’m a huge minecraft enthusiast and I’m starting my business major later this year so this is exactly my kind of content. Absolutely love this stuff dude!

[@KNCPGT]

Not related. Whats ur hardest on GD

[@TheNamesFathom]

@@KNCPGT LOL Kingslayer by Motheye, it took me 16k attempts and 8 months of on and off playing (Motheye himself said I’m the unluckiest victor)

[@DerNeueTNT]

The worst part is: THIS ONLY AFFECTS JAVA MODDING, BEDROCK "MODDERS" CAN JUST POST SOME RANDOM SH#T AND CHARGE AS MANY "MINECOINS" AS THEY WANT! WHAT THE HECK MOJANG?

[@mindset2047]

Moyang is lazy af

[@Firesgone]

It's okay because THEY'RE the ones who now act as the mod distributor, and painfully they also own the Minecraft IP As much as it sucks, this isn't double standards or hypocritical. They legally own all thing Minecraft and the MC mod community outgrew (CREATED) their monetization option. Have you heard of Enshitification? This is the exact same thing

[@DerNeueTNT]

@@Firesgone Can you explain that in simpler terms? I have no clue what you are trying to tell me.

[@DerNeueTNT]

@@mindset2047 what does that have to do with my comment?

[@Firesgone]

@@DerNeueTNT I'll give a definition of Enshitification past the "Read more" else, I suggest looking it up and comparing to your own experiences Enshitification: The cycle process by which companies create great products and foster awesome communities, to then reinforce their monopoly of their exclusive product and maximize all potential profit. Eventually being replaced by a similar product or being lost forever. The culmination of this is the entire community being deplatformed or otherwise abandoning the website/game/hobby as the functional product is turned to adware/trash/impracticality.

[@Midnight-th1nn]

4:48 My ultrakill-addicted brain did not expect this song to appear randomly

[@Axasio]

same

[@Patho_Stiger]

same lol

[@EnderIzzy124]

I got nam flashbacks but instead of nam it was the unceasing adrenaline rush of wave 40+

[@LunaticApollo]

mfw when the meganeko-The Cyber Grind breaks into the thing

[@Benw8888]

Preventing paywalling mods may sorta make sense from a business perspective, but saying you can't make money at ALL from modding is insane. Like, you can't even have a Patreon? Wtf?

[@chibisayori20]

I don't get why paywalled mods even exist in the first place, why can't a patreon page be enough? Or if you want to lock your content behind a paywall, might aswell do game development and sell your own game then, since then it would be your own IP (unless you use stolen IP but that's another can of worms i'd like to not open) In short, why can't mod creators just make their content free and just have a patreon page where people can support them if they feel like it? Ofc we don't live in that world

[@Benw8888]

@@chibisayori20 I think the point is that some modders want it to be similar to game development, just focused on minecraft cause they like the game. If they didn't paywall, they might not get enough money/support for it to be sustainable.

[@ambientNexus]

@@Benw8888 If the only thing keeping them going is a paycheck, then why would they bother with it in the first place?

[@ephemoth]

Theoretically, you *can* make money from Patreon provided you present it in an open-ended way instead of focusing on the fact that you're making Minecraft mods. A simple reason of 'supporting my various endeavors' would work, methinks.

[@Lemony123]

​@@ambientNexus So modder should rather starve?

[@azmalent6612]

Russian modder here, the revenue I used to get from Curseforge wasn't something I could live on, but still really really solid, comparable to a very good stipend. Well, until 2022 anyway. It was especially great considering it was a passive byproduct of projects I make just for the fun of it. Oh well. If I could cash in my Curseforge points now, I could pay for a semester and maybe a couple months of rent. So yeah, it's actually nothing to sneeze at if you don't live in a first world country.

[@wasquash]

now they made bedrock have addons(essentially mods but weirder) but it costs mine coins which is potentially a way to monetize modding

[@СергійСавелов]

Let's hope that nobody will steal java mods and texture packs to make a quick buck and vanish. And not fill marketplace with those stolen mods. Oh, yea, it is the current state of marketplace, isn't it?

[@TheEchoShark]

Bedrock has always had addons

[@ghaithzakk]

UHHH, BEDROCK HAS ADD-ONS SINCE 2016

[@madmaninaboxstudios-xl6zz]

yes but now people can sell them on there own to be imported into any world not just specific worlds built around them.@@ghaithzakk

[@zackhack_gamer2487]

@@TheEchoShark Java has existed before bedrock,therefore it is better. Case closed

[@bunx2021]

10:30 my man, the nether music took me so fucking far back to being alone in the nether on my ps3. god DAYUM did the nostalgia hit

[@4ud170r]

The "hey, I am Rat!" caught me so off guard

[@MisterWolfOfficial]

9:49 bro got his games stright, only true chads know about Kindoms and Castles!

[@skyboimc]

YESSSS

[@MisterWolfOfficial]

@@skyboimc Yo can we play together. Make a video about a race? Pretty confident i can beat you!

[@cbarker8580]

@@skyboimc one of the only kingdoms builders, aside from empires of the undergrowth, that I even enjoy

[@Kyee124]

The thing is, if mods are being paid, how should the cost be calculated for modpacks, should the modpack creator bear the cost? or should the player bear the cost? Let say the modpack creator bear the cost, how should the pricing be, charge by download? or a 1 time charge that cost like 1000 dollars per mod? I don't think any modpack creator is willing to pay that much for something they do as a hobby(and may not even receive much donation in return) Now what if the player bear the cost, as a player are you willing to pay 34 dollars for a modpack because the modpack creator decided to add 5 paid mods. Now let say the mod creator decided that for modpack creator they can use the mod for free, then what is stopping me to download the pack that includes the paid mod and extract said file out and use it on my own, or heck I can just made a modpack that only contain that mod and release it to the public to download for free.

[@jan5558]

Like even one cent per mod would be like more than 1000x more than they get now from curse per download

[@zenovak5177]

Mods should always be free. Doesn't mean the mod developers needed to be DMCA from earning money via other means like cosmetics, donations early access etc.

[@cyphr2581]

I think the best way to deal with it would be making it a subscription based service so modders could make considerably more money off of downloads.

[@crimsonamogsus7351]

I love how Mojang breaks their own TOS With mods now

[@Mistercoda]

0:01 That is not modded minecraft 14 years ago.

[@skyboimc]

the mod is from 2010, the video is newer. should've made that clear sorry

[@ShinyRaf]

10:35 The fact that Mojang Developers get paid 100k each year just to add 2 new blocks and 1 unnecessary mob while Modders don't even get minimum wage for making whole ass dimensions and features is crazy. Modders should be appreciated more.

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[@yourneighbour3309]

and its funny that all of the peoples excuses is that they have to add it to every version and platform...... like still come on man, ive heard that too much lol

[@Jymboslicx]

@@yourneighbour3309 well no. The problem is basically their corporatization or something from what I have heard

[@yourneighbour3309]

@@Jymboslicx just stating thats what ive heard lots of ppl say personally. but ahh yeye thank ya

[@AryaJain-bb2si]

@@yourneighbour3309 yes ,it is so little some moders Make a feature hours after announcement while Minecraft takes a full year

[@Cypher3661]

0:15 for the people on timed comments, have a good day

[@demon-hunter1498]

@Cypher3661 haaaahn? That's a thingme?

[@reubengv_]

If Mods were Real (smosh video)

[@K_o_D]

Didn't Mojang just added Addons in the bedrock Marketplace? Its kind of a good way to support the modders too but its fine only when Mojang dose it .

[@itsaducklin]

well, they charge the actual developers almost nothing, so it's the same story

[@Ax1l0tyY7_]

No bro

[@Ax1l0tyY7_]

​@SuitedGhost tru

[@gabrielv.4358]

paying should be illegal

[@WonderSealYT]

Microsoft takes a 64% cut of marketplace sales.

[@JonathanTheTiger]

I would love to see a video about bad clients. I also just realised that on bedrock you can upload add-ons, texture packs and mods and they get money from that, so why can't java modders also get money from there mods?

[@ChesterCheatin]

This video isn't clear or that well informed. 1. (most) Modders don't do it for profit, they never have and never will. Every single time modders try and make money, the mod and community suffers; see "essential" as an example, adding insane amounts of cosmetics (and spyware). 2. (most) Modders don't WANT to do it for a profit anyway, they'll be pressured to constantly updating, there'll be expectations that weren't there previously, ect. 3. Mojang is somewhat screwing over modding, but not in the way you're presenting, an example being version updates that make things very hard to port to newer versions. Mojang do a lot of work for modders, if you include datapacks modding (which you should) mojang also did tons of work with that too! I can expand on this if you want. Paid mods (usually) suck, if a dev is making mods purely for money it also usually sucks. I've never seen a paid mod even come CLOSE to the highs you can get with a passion project. + most paid mods are bait to exploit children, see bedrock marketplace. as proof of this.

[@skyboimc]

1. if your point about spyware in essential is true then yeah that's a problem, but i've never seen anything about it. i don't have any issue with them selling cosmetics, there is no advantage for people who choose to buy them. 2. most modders want to do it for free, so whats stopping them? let them! i'm only advocating for the option. 3. i mentioned in the video that updating is also a struggle. i personally trust the modrinth people to do a great job handling paid mods if that became allowed, i don't think it'd end up like bedrock. thank you for your comment! im interested in your response to this.

[@ChesterCheatin]

@@skyboimc 1. essential sends telemetry (spying) and sells telemetry (selling to companies). Pretty sure you can disable this, but they bury it deep enough that it's just enough to justify malware. I don't like essential for that reason, and dislike it even more for its insane cosmetic prices. 2. I don't think i worded myself correctly, sorry, i'm not fully against paid mods. Donations and (very few) paid mods are fine, aslong as they're absolute quality and still being updated. (see mcmmo for recent versions as an example, just not an amazing one) having a marketplace like bedrock edition's very much opens the flood-gates to poor quality mods, misunderstandings or scams. An example is the "physics"? mod, they had a free version, which was sucky and lacked most (all) core features, and a patreon which had the actual mod. People got the mod and weren't able to run it, wanted refunds and none were given. They were not able to use the product, yet couldn't get their money back, this is something steam and most other gaming retailers offer. If we're going to put them at the same standard of pay as gamedevs, they must be held to the same responsibility. Thus a lot of legal issues come up. Orespawn as an example of greed taking over an actually amazing mod. There's a reason bedrock marketplace is so bad, because presenting the option usually ends to a lot of assholes ruining it. Mod devs everywhere have been doing it for free, and the past has shown adding a marketplace makes things shitty, so i don't see a need to add money to an artform which doesn't need one at all, and the past has proven it makes things worse.

[@skyboimc]

@@ChesterCheatin sorry i didn't get a notification for this reply 1. essential does not sell telementry data, they have made that abundantly clear recently. they collect it and use it internally. they do not bury it, you have to opt-in when you install it. 2. what's stopping a platform from handling paid mods properly like steam has with games? is your point that it's hard to do so we shouldn't let anyone try?

[@baseddepartment4818]

@@skyboimc free mods are more passionate, and essentially minecraft is an open platform that anyone can do, modding isnt more a business but rather as a hobby

[@Dexune]

heavily disagree, hate getting microtransactions in mods and it would suck not being able to play a modpack without paying a huge fee for each mod. I do understand that mod makers don't get paid for their work, but modding should be for fun, not made to grab money off players

[@aldebaran0_]

My biggest gripe is paywalling mods. Cosmetic MTX is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, all things considered

[@star5384]

Haven't heard of bills and taxes i see

[@aldebaran0_]

@@star5384 dawg i would not want to drop a grand a month just to play a modpack like atm9. block game modding shouldnt be turned into an actual viable job, it just leads to drama and all fun being sucked out of the hobby

[@user-a0d9w0ec9wiej]

Maybe get a good education and apply for a well paying job ​@@star5384

[@MasterChaosL100]

I'll say this...the difference between a mod maker and a game dev. Is the game dev usually has to put actual money into certain stuff for their game. All the mod maker needs to do is spend time coding something and post it. In a way the mod maker is still using the original game as a base. So to be making money off of something, using someone else's work as a base... well...

[@barry5]

????? Gamedevs can afford assets because they... Y'know, get paid for their work. Modding isn't any easier than gamedev, they're the same thing. Did you think the assets mods use just appear out of thin air or something? Only difference is that mojang will sue anyone trying to make money from modding.

[@MasterChaosL100]

@@barry5 I don't even really remember why I said this. I didn't even remember what the video was. But maybe I didn't say things well enough. Idk First thing. Well yeah a game dev gets stuff because it's their job. But you don't get paid just because you decided to be a game dev. (This only changes of you're not the one making the game and you're hired by the company). Typically a person doing the game development, has to put money into stuff. If it's an employee, then they gets paid to do work. The line between a paid game dev and game creator is a bit blurred when just saying "game dev". But anyway, a game dev has to write the backbones itself to whatever game they're working on. Plus there's a lot of PR. Since your not just an individual doing development in your spare time. Game devs are doing it because it's their job, as part of a studio or business. A modder, while similar, at least just has to spend their free time doing it. Not because they have to typically, but because they want to. A modder doesn't really have to do a ton of PR for stuff they want to do. They can just do whatever they want with enough work. Plus. Frankly yeah, stuff has appeared out of thin air. Think for a moment about all the stuff that's come out that's made modders jobs easier. Plus. You don't even have to do a whole lot at the minimum. Especially when the games mod structure can be so easy to understand. Like I said before. A game dev in some ways has to make the backbone of the game itself. Plus a ton of PR and extra stuff to make the game happen. They're not developing a single thing that can be saved and redistributed infinitely. (Which may be a slight definition of a mod. But a game like Minecraft has a bunch of other stuff around it. A game at the minimum, is a software. It's not a file designed to piggy back off of an already released product).

[@barry5]

@MasterChaosL100 modders also have to do all of those things though? Mods don't just get popular out of nowhere, you also need to advertise them. The reason why people only develop mods in their freetime is because developing mods isn't profitable because mojang won't let people sell mods. On a technical level, there isn't really a difference between making a mod and making a different videogame in Java. Well, except for having to deal with mojangs jank.

[@barry5]

You also wouldn't get paid "just because you decided to be a mod dev". People would still need to buy your stuff.

[@MasterChaosL100]

​@@barry5 Ok look. There is something to be said about coding mods versus coding videogames. It's still just programing. But making a game is still a monumental task vs making a mod. Even Minecraft texture/resource packs are still technically a mod. And I don't think I've never heard of someone advertising a mod. The only exception would be something like a source mod or a something that becomes it's own thing. Next, here I thought people made mods for fun, or because they enjoy it. Whoops silly me. Guess people make mods in their free time because they can't get paid for it. (I guess people getting commissioned to make mods or doing patron rewarded mod access doesn't happen either) Also working on Minecraft's code itself is still probably worse than just a mod. Since, like I said before. You're working on the backbone of the game itself. I mean one slip up and you might accidentally break the whole game. While that might happen with a mod, at least you don't have to worry about debugging the entire game. Lastly, don't correct me about the idea of "still need to buy your stuff". When you're the one who only said "paid for their work". You say that as if modders don't have money at all to pay for assets or help.

[@LuanrTanuki]

Good job for hitting 80k this feels like a mini documentary would love to see more things like this

[@sliwkaaa]

> see cool video > opera gx sponsored

[@docbrown538]

LORD FOOG THE 2ST PROFILE PICTURE! :D

[@trist10]

Keep malding

[@danielbob2628]

I think the good doctor forgot to mention that the mod website ads often tried their hardest to look like download buttons, and that there often were no actual download buttons depending on the nature of the page that talked about a given mod. I gave my poor mom's laptop a few programs that I think might have ended up being malware. And that was the only time I ever tried to download a mod by myself. I only ever tried one more time with a friend, and it didn't work.

[@Wr3NcHxD]

I remember when you showed a picture with you and Doctor4t as the announcement for this.

[@redaipo]

4:27 yoo is that zombies on your lawn

[@skyboimc]

yep!

[@Teawhy423]

The editing is acutally so well done! GJ

[@gooseonyoutube]

3:49 CLUTTERFUNK??? DASHERS RISE UP!!!

[@mysteryian]

@@gooseonyoutube RAHHHHH GEOMETRY DASH 🔛🔝

[@IxXGDplayerXxI]

GEOMETRY DASH🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Samjb09]

"Why Moyang Hates Its Own Modders" gnembon and Kingbdogz: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@TheTripleSpike]

3:50 Im a GD player and I instantly said "YOO Clutterfunk" (the background music is Clutterfunk 2.2)

[@zlikegd]

@@S7nR3set i did

[@DrPeeper]

Isn't that music from Ultrakill

[@realmonochrome]

same

[@NathanAbayneh-x6r]

@@DrPeeperno

[@The_moonlit]

Ikr, also i think clutterfunk is made by waterflame.

[@superdounutxd8288]

Modding on bedrock without using marketplace is actually hellishly difficult, it’s fun we you do, but it’s so hard and also very sketchy, because you have to go to other websites to find mods for them and marketplace is greedy as all get out

[@arondejong2719]

I can confirm as an minecraft player for like 5-6 years only i got bored HELL TONA TIMES so then or i would play other games for the time being or i would hit up better mc or somth. the sad side is that better mc is sutch an good mod and others like sky factory and tektopia (ur a legend if you know this one) dont get the appreciation they deserve. keep the good work up skyboi you are really skilled at giving a good opinion about shit like this.

[@ambientNexus]

"Better MC" is a modpack, not a mod; and a dogshit one at that. It's just a bunch of mods slapped together with little to no effort for integration or bugtesting on Lunapixel's side. Both it and Lunapixel objectively do not deserve respect.

[@neverdestroyerofworlds]

@@ambientNexus uhhhhhh i mean... yeah? that's just what mods do man let me put it this way if you mix coke and fanta you could, in theory, drink it but it would taste horrible if you add some other stuff like sugar and citric acid (datapacks and kubejs) it will taste better now, if you tell everyone that you mixed coke and fanta and people wanted to drink it yeah it tastes horrible but you can still drink it and besides DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD MANAGING MODPACKS FOR MULTIPLE VERSIONS IS? YOU HAVE TO CHECK ALL THE MODS IN THE MODPACK AND SEE IF THEY'RE PORTED AND YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF THAT MULTIPLE TIMES EACH TIME THE MODDING COMMUNITY DECIDES THEY WANT A NEW VERSION OR BETTER YET START ALL OVER also saying people objectively do not deserve respect is the biggest red flag i've ever seen do I not deserve respect? probably but for all the reasons above yeah modpack stuff is hard i think you're just saying this because that's the standard nowadays for people to be using kubejs, datapacks, crafttweaker but not using them is fine idk what you're talking about

[@ambientNexus]

@@neverdestroyerofworlds Making a kitchen sink modpack without any KubeJS scripts or other custom content is nowhere close to being difficult. And why would I play one of those kitchen sink packs, when I could just make a modpack myself with the mods I like and none of the ones I don't? Like I said, Luna pixel doesn't deserve respect for slapping together a pack in an afternoon, adding a bunch of visual flair for the curseforge page, then publishing it. Doesn't help that Lunapixel tries selling their packs as "templates" on a website of theirs. And no, you don't have to check if the versions are correct if you're using any sort of modded launcher like Prism or even the Curseforge launcher, since those handle it automatically. Besides, most of the work is done by modders themselves, modpack makers just sit back and wait for the modders to be done working on their mods.

[@neverdestroyerofworlds]

@@ambientNexus erm yeahh? that's the point its not difficult its just fun to play man

[@ambientNexus]

@@neverdestroyerofworlds Did you even bother reading what you replied to?

[@WeepingWrangler]

I make mods for the game Kenshi. Our only options are the Steam workshop and Nexus, but I'd never consider monetizing my work. Time IS money, but sometimes it's best to keep something as a hobby as opposed to a second job. I'd rather do something at my own pace than have to keep going due to expectations or necessity. Some of my mods don't see many subscribers, but still receive semi-frequent updates because I look at modding as more of a passion project than a form of monetization. I do my own 3d modeling, textures, and rigging, but it's mostly for me, not an audience. That's how I think modding should be, a fun little hobby at one's own pace.

[@skyboimc]

i think most people see it that way! i'm just advocating for the option

[@ratrick]

6:07 THATS ME

[@ratrick]

OH MY GOODNESS THATS ME

[@ric.6415]

i love how Minecraft hates its modding community while Terraria literally gave the Tmodloader devs help updating their code to 1.4 and actively endorses Tmodloader

[@EndBoa]

Bedrock Edition:

[@IAlwaysFeelBruh]

Ooof

[@khayify]

editing is soooo goood bro keep it up ♥

[@Kirill17]

The reason to me is that it appears mojang like every other corporate entity wants unreasonable unfair and unjust amount of control over what isn't even their game. A few back we could do with a ip as we pleased so long as what we are doing is our own work in relation to it. Now it's become this asinine world where every tsngliably related thing to a ip has to be under control of the owner and must be credited

[@jimmyg3835]

modding is really underappreciated by companies sometimes and Mojang is a great example and the statement about no longer playing Vanilla is 100% true I don't know when the last time I played Vanilla was like I legit don't know most likely back in 1.12.2 but even that might have been wrong

[@yalkn2073]

Check out what happened when Bethesda tried to implement paid mods. That shit was atrocious, stop trying to bring it to Minecraft. Also how tf is client monetization not against eula?

[@Poetj3]

Ur documentary videos always hit hard dude!

[@FirestarWarriorCats1]

It's crazy that this video has songs that are in at least 3 of my favourite few games 1:29 and 1:56 Terraria 2:31 BTD6 2:53 Roblox (Doors) theres probably more but thats what i've watched up to so far

[@FirestarWarriorCats1]

theres also 3:48 which has a song in Geometry Dash though I know it's not originally from GD

[@NathanAbayneh-x6r]

@@FirestarWarriorCats1clutterfunk 2.2, it’s an extension from og clutterfunk so it isn’t in gd

[@sharminsultana7134]

4:48 ultrakill

[@dedpewl9612]

2:31 BTD5

[@verywarriorcat]

@@FirestarWarriorCats1clutterfunk

[@starfruuit-h]

I am genuinely surprised you haven't reached 100k yet, your videos are well made and entertaining. Keep up the good work!

[@lasercraft32]

The most frustrating part is that a lot of Minecraft's current developers started out making Minecraft mods before they were hired to work for Mojang... Yet apparently Minecraft doesn't respect mod makers enough to let them monetize??? What the heck!

[@minuzbecomez]

YEAH! And minecraft without mods is the worst thing to play if you have been playing for 2-3years or more.

[@lasercraft32]

@@minuzbecomez When you say "without mods" you mean optimization/performance mods right? I quite prefer vanilla over modded (so long as I have optimization mods).

[@danieltucker9330]

@@lasercraft32 Some people always play with QOL or tech/overhaul mods after getting tired of vanilla and I totally get that. I personally usually have both a vanilla and modded world going.

[@gabrielv.4358]

I dont pay for minecraft, i shouldnt pay for mods. Modding shouldnt be a way of life. Its just basic coding. Its better to work at a big tech coder and earn 50k per year or more

[@lasercraft32]

@@gabrielv.4358 Bruh... This has to be one of the most insensitive (and frankly stupid) comments I've ever seen. "Just basic coding" what even the heck... "oh just go work at a big tech coder" as if its as easy as flipping a switch. You know literally nothing then. Do you have _any idea_ how difficult it is to get a job like that? Do you have _any idea_ how much creativity, passion, time, and effort is put into bigger mods? You're the kind of person that would pay an artist with "exposure" because you think making art is _easy_ somehow. Have you EVEN SEEN the kinds of mods that doctor4t makes??? That is in no way what I would call "simple coding." Art is not easy. Modding _is_ a form of art so long as there is passion behind it. Modding IS NOT easy, and modders deserve respect. Also... What do you mean you "don't pay for Minecraft?" You have to pay to buy an account, unless you're one of those people who used sketchy cracked accounts. Most mods are free as well, which is way cheaper than most modders deserve.

[@_M_643]

Respectfully I disagree, I don't want to see a minecraft modding community where you'd have to pay for good/popular mods (or worse you'd have to go to dubious sites to get them). The reason mc mods exist to this day is because of the passion and love for the game by the modders. That is the priority and their reason to mod, not to make money. Now I believe they should be allowed to ask for donations/support in basically any way except a paywall which seems to be the case with popular mods I've seen. That is also my main reason for not liking Bedrock edition and it's attempts to make community content paid.

[@syedomar1060]

It's interesting how minecraft players back then respected modders who made their mods free, but now it seems like youtubers like you and PhoneixSC advocate for Mojang to allow Java players to make monetizable mods.

[@felixfischer6168]

it's insane that these people genuinely believe that mods should be locked behind a paywall. literally all you need to do to figure out how utterly imbecilic that would be is to spend a single day in the nonsense that is the sims 4 modding scene

[@ambientNexus]

@@felixfischer6168Fucking exactly. Paid mods just lead to waves and waves of low-effort garbage, which most likely will be made even worse with the advent of generative AI bullshit.

[@jan5558]

​@@felixfischer6168 not exactly. they are saying that modders should be able to make money, never have l heard peonix say anything about paywalls, more in the line of that they want to at least do like commissions or a patreon

[@VeenanNorvius]

1:29...you had the chance.. Walk through walls, disappear, and fly....

[@Jovian_Man]

0:35 Bro it’s so dangerous to install the mod and to prevent mass crimes, you blocked the world from saying the name of the mod.

[@Jovian_Man]

And so you replaced by a sponsor.

[@OfficialJoeTheChicken]

Ok I just gotta say the taswell beat drop at the end was absolutely fire 🔥

[@jess648]

imagine building a house in creative to that banger

[@Alfremix12]

3:00 Bro used Roblox doors music🤦‍♂

[@BlattusGd-vr3pl]

@@Alfremix12 its good

[@FlyNoraa]

first (orginally) smp yter not in lifesteal doing opera sponsorship is fire

[@AdamJankowski-x2i]

1:30 end of yapping

[@Baire_]

@@AdamJankowski-x2i ty bro

[@IxXGDplayerXxI]

What?

[@Packgod_hater]

@@IxXGDplayerXxI 1:30 it's the end of the ad

[@Catwithpaintbrush]

Time codes:

[@hezekiahglynn6664]

very minor correction that doesn’t relate to the main topic but instead to a background image at 10:25 : Tetris is actually the most downloaded game if you merge most of the versions as they are basically the same

[@keltenkaisertheproud4820]

i hate the cancer browser

[@purplebunz]

@@keltenkaisertheproud4820 so real for this one

[@GlebyGlobster]

This

[@TheoTheGhost]

I think they should make a special place for modders to sell their mods, but with a rigorous quality check to make sure they are up to the industry's standart (making the mod very polished as well as following the guidelines like no guns)

[@ambientNexus]

Mojang's already failed in that department with the bedrock marketplace.

[@pigly3]

Opera GX is literally better at everything - if everything means spying on you.

[@Prime-First]

They dont spy on you bro. Idk where you pulled this from

[@DonutsOnRblx]

@@Prime-First loud incorrect buzzer

[@infinaxgaming7135]

And every other browser doesn't in some way?

[@random_dude9052]

Hell Man, that Has its uses too. Why try to keep your data secure when you can spread incorrect versions of your data?

[@Catwithpaintbrush]

@@DonutsOnRblx not as much and don't use it anywhere

[@nighthawkgaming2953]

Pls make a video about the history of Minecraft minigames

[@fredrick119]

0:03 whats that mod looks awesome

[@BloxedZ3R0]

@@fredrick119 Doctorr4t made it for $50K

[@gatlingaspid6050]

I believe its Doctor4t's eldritch mod, I dont know the name but he has a video on it.

[@fredrick119]

@@gatlingaspid6050 thank

[@p2c331]

@@gatlingaspid6050 I love you

[@ivanlol7153]

I don’t think it’s public

[@bartoszkowalski6986]

If I am gonna have to pay like 200 dollars just to make any sizeable modpack and for one version at that, I'm starting a revolution I swear.

[@tjb3171]

Personally, I don’t think modding should be a business- we don’t want it ending up like the marketplace from bedrock. But modders should still get some money, the system is pretty bad tbh. Although instead of yelling at mojang- we’ve given them enough problems already- we should ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! We really need a new system. But noones making one.

[@SRAZKVT]

well, people tried, but, money doesn't appear out of nowhere, and there is a lot of modders. If users aren't ready to donate or subscribe to patreons or others from the creators of the mods they use and love, then we're going to keep having this problem

[@Aleuse]

Personally, I'd consider someone opening a patreon or starting a youtube channel as someone starting their business. It's all there, the product, the branding, the ads. As long as you get any money for something you made, congrats, you did business. For me, the real problem is that if you get big enough and you don't have the "bedrock 30% cut seal of approval", you're swatted by microsoft, and for some reason they don't bat an eye at people stealing mods or redistributing minecraft and making millions off that. It's like they don't want you to work honestly, insane!

[@tjb3171]

@@Aleusegood point

[@vd6070]

@@Aleuse Honestly I feel like Modders could benefit from youtube if they do Devlog or Development progress style videos kinda like what RAT has done, making a detailed showing of what they did to create parts of the mod and explaining how some of it works as needed. Obviously not on the same scale, seeing as RAT usually does entire mods per-video with dev progress stuff, but more like whenever you work on something such as modeling a new creature just post a timelapse of it (depending on how long it takes) while describing different points of the creation process such as scrapping or altering designs, inspiration, etc. Again, obviously, not everyone could do that. Some people might benefit from showcasing their own mods, doing silent videos of the process, or simply don't have the ability/time/motivation to do it at all for one reason or another. I for one would definitely watch and subscribe to mod makers if they posted devlogs or update progress videos through youtube as a revenue option.

[@stagelights_]

3:05 too many items is a different mod than nei and jei. too many items was basically a cheat that let you spawn in any item you wanted at any time, whereas nei and jei were mods that acted as an easy lookup for crafting recipes that worked with 99% of mods that just so happened to look similar to TMI.

[@ifyouwanna8428]

The rules say you are not allowed to sell mods, getting paid for your work you are still allowed. How does that work? If your mod is hidden behind patreon\a piece of your mod is hidden behind patreon and the only way you can get it is to pay. You're breaking the rules If your mod is in the public domain with its full functionality, but you are paid on patreon to continue development. You are not breaking the rules. (Why patreon as a example? Well, this thing is popular...)

[@Cykloehn06]

The Bedrock Addon community sees Adfly all the time still 😭 It’s the worst

[@MGamer_GGs]

0:46 don't everyone know opera gx for the Chinese spyware allegations? Or is it just me

[@SalaEA10]

I myself avoid playing vanilla AS much as possible due to it not having enough futures in my opinion and this video was eye opening to me because i didn't know that modding was getting restricted so hard for no reason. I wish the developers the best, and hope to help out as much as possible.

[@ThatGuyRaylo]

I'm personally just not fond of paywalls. I don't care what other means of making money the modders have to employ, I just don't like having to directly Pay for a mod.

[@Jamsteo]

This kinda makes me feel so bad for Mod devs. Some mods don't even get recognized without youtubers playing them

[@NinetyEight418]

Mods should NEVER be paid. This creates tons of new issues.

[@barry5]

Game devs should NEVER be paid. This creates tons of new issues. Screw Microsoft, they should be forced to license Minecraft under the gpl and gtfo. Screw everyone trying to make a living off this stuff, not doing gamedev as a hobby has poisoned it. Can't afford server costs without funding from game sales? Too bad, get a job. Stallman was right and everyone knows it but they're too scared to admit what they're doing is immoral and a poison for the game dev scene.

[@Dxgi_x3]

LION MAKER IN PRISION LMAOOO

[@Tasteful_Edits]

What Mojang is trying to do is kill off Java edition because they're trying to make Bedrock edition take over as the "definitive Minecraft" (because Bedrock makes them more money.

[@ImDuolingoAndILikeKidnapping]

2:54 we avoiding a blind monster with this one 🔥🔥🔥

[@RealSealiosSpring]

Hello I will not reveal what community I am talking about but I am the creator of one of the largest minecraft content for free communities we distribute paid mods, maps, and plugins etc for free as we see paywalls as scummy and people who use them as entitled. To any creators reading this hear this you are not entitled to anything your mods are for the community if you want to make money go make a game. And I will say this I am against clients making money as well but there legally my hands are tied as they are legally allowed to this while modders, plugin makers, and map makers are not. I seek only to make sure mods, maps, and plugins are available to as many people as possible my intentions are not from a place of malice I have nothing against any of these people personally I only want this content to be for everyone. And while someone replying to me will probably bring this up I will say I am also against bedrock skin packs and texture packs and addons being paid but legally I can’t do anything about that but with Java I can. Also deleting this comment is a capitulation that only proves me right.

[@skyboimc]

why would i delete your comment? it's perfectly fine that you see it as scummy, but as we've seen with the bedrock marketplace, there are plenty of people who would like the opportunity to be paid for their work. by not allowing it on java, microsoft is creating a bottleneck where they are able to take a cut of that money going through bedrock's marketplace, further enriching big tech.

[@RealSealiosSpring]

@@skyboimc I also think bedrock mods should be free but I cannot legally give those out for free as Microsoft would go after me and I do not want to piss off the biggest tech company in the world and I expected you to delete my comment as thats what most people do when I say something disagreeing with them

[@skyboimc]

@@RealSealiosSpring so is it invalid that people want to be paid for their work because you dont like it?

[@RealSealiosSpring]

@@skyboimc I personally think all mods should be free but you should have the option to make a donation to a creator if you want to but I think it should be a choice not a requirement if you want to play the mod

[@marcinsarniak]

Maybe if Mojang focused more on developing and fixing performance rather than stopping modders from earning money, we wouldn't need half of the mods we use.

[@raindow92]

The thing is , theyre not really actively spending all their task force on stopping modders, rather its part of the terms amd conditions which kinda works by itself cause the modder agrees through it not to monetize their mods.

[@darkbow12]

paid mods should be called a scam

[@zarand2554]

Now Im actually glad Mojang went after Haubana to make physics mod free.

[@zarand2554]

And no, its a good thing mod devs cant make money on the stuff they make. You're modding intellectual property of Microsoft, too bad, so sad. You want to make money? Go mod another game that'll let you make money.

[@maxkyrylyuk7967]

Under 1 hour gang 👇

[@yikloktam5272]

Me

[@rolyaldiplomat164]

yayyyy

[@raybotcode]

Me

[@PatricioRebolledo-ug4qz]

Me

[@dang-xf3ri]

Me too

[@SilverLightRain]

I'm just happy Minecraft had a resurgence of players coming back and new comers as well. I'm a late comer myself, I only discovered the awesomeness of Minecraft back in 2022.

[@sparen22]

says I know I'm evil and then bookmarks his sponsor, Never have I experienced such luxury

[@SuperLlama53]

2:52 oh hey two of those were mine 😂 what a great Easter egg, you really did your research! The nether update almost perma-killed Runecraft tbh. Coincided with the guy running my server deciding he didn’t want to use it anymore, but Zeerix saved it by porting it to the new version for me and ultimately to bukkit, thanks to him it’s still around today. There was so much drama even back then around modding I could go on for ages about it. Great video!

[@altaccount8392]

I think it best modders can’t monetize but still can’t create like a public domain

[@MakerMediaPlus]

After so many years of development and evolution, there’s still isn’t a mod that can get me a girlfriend 😭

[@marri0nz]

It's impossible.

[@CERISTHEDEV]

I mean if youre this type of person now its time because people are quite literally integrating the whole ai stuff in minecraft so if you dont care about talking to a real human than this already exists

[@WonderSealYT]

Minecraft comes alive works well

[@FurasCebulowy]

I literally cannot live without mods.

[@kehindefawehinmi3696]

i can't believe it minecraft developer are are paid so much just to add measly things in a year but modders can create a dimension in months less and don't even get that much money . Models are heroes truly

[@LunarWolf-ug8rw]

By the way I am from Uzbekistan and this is the second ever time that this country was mentioned in a video like this. By the way I actually really enjoy modding, it just makes minecraft 1000000000000000000000000000000x better and the best part is that optimization mods are the best espacially for people like me who has 4 GB RAM that can't load the modern versions of minecraft yet I have been playing this game for almost a decade and that is 2/3 of my f****ing life😁😁

[@_EnderTv]

now i hear ULTRAKILL music everywhere this game is getting even more popular

[@Razornuke]

Mods shouldn't be monetized. For some reason, whenever something is made for money, there seems to be a loss of passion as its not the focus. I love modders, but my concern is that, when money becomes involved, its a stake of making something WORTH selling, not making something you want. (EDIT) And no, the clients shouldn't be monetized either. At least, if they do not provide a genuine service that would require it. Essential does very similar to LunarClient, except it lets you play multiplayer with others like bedrock, and they do not forwardly make you pay for it either. You can contribute to the service by using their funnybucks to get clothing and emotes but they NOT make the multiplayer feature cost anything.

[@Angel-Dust-The-Prostitute]

next up: How Capcom betrayed their modding community (and community as a whole)

[@Solitario9475]

Minecraft is only digging their own grave caused by greed. Hytale’s vision is what Minecraft should have been.

[@JanTupec-on4qu]

Great vid... absolutely killed it with Clutterfunk at 3:50 (it is my fav song :D)

[@VeryOriginalUsername20000]

0:36 the most annoyed ive ever been by a sponsorship literally ever

[@VeryOriginalUsername20000]

thank GOD theres a timestamp for after the sponsor

[@GijsieeeeeYT]

Bro almost 100k subs keep up the good work! Your videos are amazing!

[@heistd.]

wow as a "mod developer"(im not that good tbh) myself i didnt even know this was a thing because im so used to just downloading them off a client or smth but i just hope that in the future they lift this.

[@Clyde_E]

judging from the title, this might be a disturbing minecraft simulation ive never seen...

[@gangstertimothy]

Wasn't the creator of the original mod named The Aether hired to the mojang team? Or was that just a rumor

[@sebbog]

kingbdogz made the Aether and is apart of the mojang team

[@xSparkYT]

i can just imagine you recording 9:49 as soon as everybody leaves the house 😭😭

[@CristalitOfficial]

hey exspark

[@xSparkYT]

ok why are you here

[@soundrogue4472]

I hired mod creators back in the day; one ghosted me and never started work, GRANTED I never paid him yet to get started and he did say he was busy with work. The other guy got one mod created at the very least.

[@ebiotic0]

As a Minecraft mod developer myself, I resonate deeply with the points raised in this video Despite our efforts, modders struggle to earn a sustainable income. We rely on ads, Patreon, and commissions, but these sources often fall short of providing financial stability. It's kind of.. sad? I don't know the perfect word to describe it, maybe disheartening? To see platforms like Curse Forge and clients like Lunar Client profiting from our work while we struggle to make ends meet Mojang's strict rules prohibiting modders from making money exacerbate the problem. These rules hinder the growth and sustainability of the modding community. Mojang needs to reconsider its stance and allow mod developers to earn money from their hard work. It's time for fair treatment and support for the modding community The video highlights how modders struggle to make money from their creations. Even with millions of downloads, we might only earn a few hundred dollars every couple of months. It's not fair considering the time and energy we invest in our mods Mojang's rules don't help either. They make it nearly impossible for modders to earn money, while game developers and platform owners profit without any issues. It's a double standard that needs to change Modders play a huge role in keeping Minecraft exciting and fresh. Without us, the game wouldn't be as popular or enduring. It's about time Mojang recognizes our contributions and gives us the support and compensation we deserve. Mojang needs to reconsider their rules and allow mod developers to make money from their work

[@firebundle]

Heya, wanted to wish you all the best in making this a career❤. You're funny, you're great and really deserve it😊 Hope your doing great