Why Molly O' Shea REALLY Lied About Being The Rat In Red Dead Redemption 2! (RDR2 Mystery Solved)

[@MrBossFTW]

Why Molly O' Shea REALLY Lied About Being The Rat In Red Dead Redemption 2! (RDR2 Mystery Solved)

[@techmanfox151]

MrBossFTW Hello! Keep up the good work.

[@jpmurray9965]

MrBossFTW nice work

[@MisterNi]

She wanted to get the better of Dutch at least once then she died. She's the reason why Ms. Grimshaw is shot at the end of the main story. Moral of the story? Don't follow the romantic tales of a group of criminals.

[@stine2112]

This is so sad can we play Dec pa cito

[@laynesnow7526]

MrBossFTW you obviously have no idea how girls work oOf

[@barbosa1061]

Molly was the first one to really know who Dutch really is. She attempt to ask Arthur in chapter 2 about Dutch's misbehavior but Arthur gets carried away by another member in a mission. I'm pretty sure she tried in a way, to tell the others but they were so blind in loyalty to see it. Sadly it was too late for them to realize that Dutch wasn't really who he apparently was, the fall of Molly's relationship with Dutch was just the beginning signs of Dutch's real personality. Dutch didn't care about molly, didn't care about Arthur, didn't care about the gang. All he cared was himself, so selfish.

[@jasondyrkacz8270]

What bothered me after Colm O'Driscoll captured Arthur was why Dutch didn't at least get curious about why Arthur wasn't at the rendezvous point. If a member of your team goes missing when they're supposed to be at a rendezvous point, wouldn't you at least wonder what happened? The purpose of a rendezvous is to make sure everyone is accounted for.

[@elvxxx]

@@jasondyrkacz8270 simple. Dutch just didn't really care about anyone or anything. To him, everyone is just a replacable pawns.

[@Internetguy_L337_90D]

yeah duch was a psychopathic snake it was easy for him to hold up his facade when no one questioned him and then came uncle and told him what he really was.

[@yosephbuitrago897]

Elvin Eka no. You’re wrong. Dutch did care about only 1 person through the course of rdr2(other than himself of course), and that person was for some reason Micah.

[@barbosa1061]

@@yosephbuitrago897 In reality Dutch didn't care about Micah, because we know what happens to him at the end of epilogue 2. Micah was a person (or not) who would support Dutch's despicable, craziest, most nonsense plans he could ever think, and that's why Dutch kept him. The difference between them is that Dutch is a intellectual psychopath and Micah an idiot psychopath.

[@emmalynn877]

She lied because Dutch treated her like utter shit (and tried to cheat on her) and she wanted him to feel as hurt and betrayed as he made her feel. It's not a mystery. It was made pretty clear in the game.

[@Nola2212]

thanks guy

[@rhy0920]

when did dutch try to cheat on her? i must've missed it ;-;

[@argentsarrows3068]

Rhyanne Davis it was something you could’ve listened in on in camp; he goes over n flirts with Mary-Beth

[@btbarr16]

Or did she? Milton said Micah has been cooperating ever since they picked him up AFTER they got back from the Caribbean. The bank robbery happened before they ended up in Guarma. How has no one picked up on that?

[@emmalynn877]

@@btbarr16 It was only ever Micah and he'd planned it from the start, even before the events of the game. Even the first robbery you commit back in Horseshoe Overlook was a setup by him. There are scraps of newspaper in his little camp outside Strawberry that displays the amount of money that was offered as a bounty for Dutch. Micah kept Dutch's bounty poster with him next to his bed in that camp because he wanted that bounty money. He always intended on turning Dutch in right from the day he first met him. He and his dad had also previously killed someone else that they'd worked for before Micah was part of Dutch's crew. It was always Micah.

[@nonnamergamer9994]

Dutch in kindergarten “You told on me, you betrayed me”

[@jacobgarlin5182]

DaMan Eldridge *someone takes Legos* Dutch: alright whos betraying me?!

[@bekleedee]

You're not invited to my party!

[@heisenberg7513]

Excuse me

[@jacobgarlin5182]

Dutch van der Linde Hey, im the Dutch here!

[@heisenberg7513]

Impossible

[@bengiboi8543]

I wish Arthur coughed on Micah ;-;

[@jabobofweebs]

he would've rested like the goddamn doctor told arthur to. Micah is a lazy asshole who feeds off of the gang's resources. I noticed that the gang's resources went hella up when micah was at his camp in chapter 2

[@minifridge8315]

@@jabobofweebs that doesn't happen dude.

[@jabobofweebs]

@@minifridge8315 I know. I said he WOULD'VE. Not he DID.

[@minifridge8315]

@@jabobofweebs no like he doesn't actually use up more resources

[@ThatOneNerd2]

Heaven Wolf so true

[@timinator004x7]

You can tell Mrs. Grimshaw had been waiting to pop Molly for quite some time lol.

[@DrWhatever]

she took her man lol

[@keenanzibert2001]

yea Mrs Grimshaw and Dutch were lovers before Molly, and also at one point Dutch sleeps with Grimshaw while you're at the camp near Rhodes

[@juanchavez8444]

@@keenanzibert2001 never caught that

[@MashedGurilla]

Mrs Grimshaw loves popping molly’s

[@travisrubio3654]

Can’t believe that she that savage but Micah killed her

[@lonoodle6962]

I always felt so bad for her. One of things that surprised me, was how shaken Molly’s death made Karen. It really made me respect her more.

[@onikai7055]

It made me respect Karen and molly more

[@sparklyhotdog8826]

Yes! especially because Karen couldn't stand Molly and there's even an event where she punches her

[@righteousone8454]

She was sleeping with Colm according to Colm's letter in O'Driscoll hide out, and she sold out the gang to Colm, and caused Kieran's death indirectly Respect should not be there, ever...

[@NEWFIExGAMING]

@@righteousone8454 I doubt that was Molly. That letter doesn't mention a name, only that Colm got arrested when he was "caught in the bed of a disloyal and loud mouth woman"

[@guillaumejoop6437]

@Red Dead Lumbago they had a thing, and I suspect Karen was more invested in it than Sean

[@YaBoiMeatBallze]

Molly: I'm Fine. Arthur: *ABORT MISSION ABORT MISSION*

[@riku9392]

a wise man

[@45johngalt]

I agree with your deduction %100. Molly was ignored and it drove her mad. The only way she thought she could get to Dutch was by saying that she betrayed him and the gang. I also think in ch. 4 in one of the missions with Dutch, Molly attempts to talk to Dutch and seems genuinely worried and concerned about something, but Dutch gives her the cold shoulder and runs off with Arthur. My theory is she was trying to warn him about the pinkertons. Trying to tell him that she got picked up and questioned but kept her mouth shut but non the less they need to move/be more careful.

[@tempest_noir9058]

dumb on her part to not just go on and tell them or anyone at that

[@angelsofdeathnomads549]

Before dutch death he say he can't fight his own nature to john

[@tristencochran3374]

I agree about her trying to worn Dutch but I don't agree with the video I think she lies because she's trying to get feelings out if dutch but I didn't turn out the way she wanted it to

[@lucasmartinez5703]

She may or not have been pregnant too and was trying to tell him and Arthur about it but they both kept ignoring her.

[@ETAFan]

Would’ve been safer to say she wasn’t faithful to Dutch and had an affair and is pregnant with the other man’s child. Might’ve gotten her killed, but I think she likely would’ve survived.

[@agent_277]

8:55 Dutch argues with Molly. Dutch sees Arthur: Good evening! Dutch continues to argue 😂😂😂

[@ciri151]

I did not do it! I did not! Oh hi Mark!

[@erikallen3804]

This literally happened to me. I woke up one morning in camp to Molly and Dutch arguing. I went close and Dutch just said “Good morning, Arthur.” right after he just yelled at Molly.

[@ronanmcgrath5835]

Yep that's pretty much how it goes I stop one of them then the other picks another fight and I fail then I drown someone to take my mind off of it

[@razal518]

And when I played they were arguing and I talked to micah to start a mission then molly came and Arthur asked where is Dutch and molly is like 🤷‍♂️ and Dutch came from the front of the camp

[@rady7273]

It was exactly the same for me when I played 😂

[@anonymoususer7716]

I think, like she said “I loved you” she just wanted to get Dutch’s attention, also she was drunk she said the first thing that would actually get Dutch to notice her. She was just a woman who lived a madman, she never told even though she could of.. she just wanted his attention, but got killed just because he ignored her so many times...

[@SugaryPhoenixxx]

Even worse he kept stringing her along even though he knew he didn't love her & had no plans of wifeing her. He just kept her around at his beck & call in case he had any desires. I feel bad for Molly because it seems that she truly loved & cared for Dutch & he ignored her when all she wanted was his affections. & she ended up paying for her loyalty with her life.

[@chibs510]

"You barely touvhed me in weeks! ... Hello Arthur"

[@chasebishop4580]

David Sano 😂😂

[@Happyhippy70]

Back in the days. That was a dangerous thing to do. I seen them men trying to drag the wife back home screaming. I shot a few. Lol

[@YokaiX]

The whole situation is just terrible. Not only did she die needlessly, she also got cremated instead of buried (which is an honor that all dead members of the gang receive).

[@penishhookg5286]

what is cremated?

[@fernandoalonsociezaghersi7219]

They burned the body and turned it into ashes

[@KillerGothChick]

...and her grave is unmarked too wish we could change it 😢

[@erikobermeier9622]

She was heart broken. So I don't think she wanted to live anymore and maybe her family disowned her. S o she had no where to return to.

[@loofz]

They didn't disown her?

[@mr_cookies352]

She wasn’t disowned she wanted to go to USA for an adventure

[@lucasmartinez5703]

And boy did she get an adventure.

[@Br3adless]

When Dutch said “You told on me?” I immediately thought of a little kid

[@williamhallmark6431]

Lol

[@ashlovestolaugh5149]

Me too lol

[@gamingandmore5000]

Me too

[@trombonetimmy1064]

Same

[@TJTroubleMaker]

I immediately thought of trump when he said “if you do this I don’t want to be your friend anymore” 😂

[@dropei102]

Guys you came here for 11:32 dont thank me.

[@damoslaw948]

Thank you

[@dropei102]

I said dont thank me.

[@llawliet371]

Thank you

[@nextojared921]

Thanks

[@DavidJohnson-bi2dm]

U think MrBossFTLost Video is bad u should check out JeffTutorials Video

[@lennykenny7851]

Why does the line "YOU TOLD ON ME!?" seem so funny

[@dinklebamp4266]

He sounds like a kid godfather at school after his friend told the teacher he did something bad

[@heisenberg7513]

No it doesn't ;(

[@Fafiizok]

Because he got pLaN!

[@dani._ii-tube]

It got me on when i told on my bully

[@probablyBigT]

Cus its how 4 year olds talk

[@PeterPiper247]

8:31 Molly: "there's a wall between us". *they are sitting on opposite ends of the tent.

[@mcglockspiel2495]

Lol

[@rjasontwenty1099]

seems a metally thing: dont talk with him about his problems, physically : havent touch her for weeks...

[@madeleinelynskey9483]

Lol

[@salvadordollyparton666]

there is not only figuratively, but literally a wall between them... not on opposite sides of the tent, dutch is OUTSIDE the tent... are y'all seriously blind?

[@ericgarrison9059]

You know something I noticed watching this video, is at every camp the gang makes in the game Arthur's tent is right next to Dutchs, and in the beaver hollow its much further away and Micah is always sitting at the table where right outside Dutchs tent. I like when Dutch give that speech in the beginning of chapter 6 no one's listening and Micah is actually sleeping at the table LMAO

[@fedorezeev9923]

Yeah, and in prologue, Mika pretending to sleep in his own room, like Arthur, not with any other guys.

[@OutlawKING111]

I noticed that too.

[@ShadowActor13]

I think Molly was knocked up by Dutch. Might be one reason she was always trying to talk to Arthur.

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Probably

[@chriscool3654]

was i the only one who cried when Molly died. she was so mistreated, all she wanted was some affection from Dutch, she loved him. and i think that's what caused Dutch to go crazy in the end

[@Garobie]

Yeah that was heartbreaking

[@chriscool3654]

@@Garobie i won't forget her one quote "i loved you, you goddamn bastard"

[@ironicly__iconic]

🙄 she was a spiteful bitch. She wasn't getting what she wanted so went around being a bitch to everyone. Why she lied was to spite him. This is not the character of someone to feel sympathy for 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@HighClassMortal]

​@@ironicly__iconic I pray you stay alone

[@elijahking5911]

Damn Karen punched the crap out of molly

[@destinyhill590]

Yeah she did that to get attention from Dutch do the math and have some FAITH

[@daryonbrown7913]

Yeah but Molly slap the shit out of her first

[@x-fadedvlogs4735]

Shit foreals I felt that

[@axtro_riftz_gggamingandmor7729]

Well it was Molly’s fault because she slapped her first for no reason

[@axtro_riftz_gggamingandmor7729]

And I watched the whole god damn time!

[@micalamorrison2162]

You'll notice there's a few times when a mission starts that you have to talk to Ms. Oshea and she tries to gently reach out to Dutch, but he comes and cuts off conversation and the mission starts, fully dismissing her

[@lucasmartinez5703]

10:03 This part made me particularly horrified for Molly. She's just mentally unraveling in broad daylight and no one seemed to give a shit. It hurt to watch.

[@ericmasek8156]

Who else turned the volume up to hear the cutscenes and then got earaped when he started talking

[@markbutcher7900]

im not much for compan- SO THERE YA HAVE IT FOLKS

[@aidendeese1400]

Me

[@fjones7262]

Did nobody else go with the Subtitle option?

[@zacwhitehead3203]

😢😭

[@rg2424]

I'm the 69th like😳

[@OneProof]

"Dutch does not treat Molly really well at all" Well, tbh he didn't treat anyone well, or he thought he did. One thing for sure, Dutch always had a plan.

[@-meat-]

Well in the earlier chapters he cared about people, but after you-know-who died in ch. 4 he just went crazy

[@jgef6981]

@@-meat- Hosea

[@johnangelo9884]

well at least the word is way better then the capitals in red dead online that word is way more annoying that Dutch said " I have a goddamned planed!"

[@anakinskinwalker1724]

@@-meat- He was already going crazy when he killed the girl on the blackwater ferry. He also ignored Hosea's pleas about robbing Cornwall continuously and telling him they need to stay quiet and move out East like they were supposed to.

[@Darren-lb3rx]

8:04 STOP GIVING ME THAT LOST PUPPY LOOK dude she’s inside the tent how do you see that?

[@lukeharman7054]

Susan Grimshaw is one woman I would love as a friend but I would be scared shitless of her

[@helizaj2620]

So true

[@loopop7299]

If they ever make a Red dead redemption 3 I want it to be set before rdr2 and we get to see Arthur getting taking in by Dutch and how the fued with Colm starts and Anabels death. Would be cool for it to end with lawmen entering the ferry in black water and just ending with a cut scene of Arthur like “Oh Shit”.

[@Krissyd215]

And have it end(or be the epilogue) at the Blackwater ferry job. I hope they do. This game took 8 years to make but they had to start over on a whole new platform than the first etc so hopefully the next won't take as long. I have a feeling there's going to be a DLC, too, like the first. Maybe another Undead redemption

[@imajsstove2907]

Loo Pop or that we could play as the Mac guy that agent Milton said they killed while your fishing with Jack

[@rhy0920]

Man i always thought it would be cool if the third game was kinda like a "series" of everyone's stories, like how the gang started or how people joined. i know it mentions it in RDR2 for some but it would still be cool to play

[@rami8896]

Yeah, I think they pretty much have to, because every ones story is pretty much set in stone, and they would have to introduce a whole new story. Like the only people I could see they can continue with is Javier, Bill, Charles and Jack. Jack is probably the only one that can have a proper story line, the rest is hard to give them anything more than a side quest.

[@gisi5276]

Arthur wasnt on the ferry tho

[@Christo_Coop]

She was testing Dutch. She wanted to see if Dutch cared about her enough to forego the rules of the gang for her. But she forgot about Mrs. Grimshaw.

[@Eco-pu2zs]

She gave up a life of privilege to be with him. He was a master manipulator, a predator who knew how to make people believe what he wanted them to believe, and she believed he loved her. The same way Author and John believed Dutch loved them. In the end no one was more of a victim of Dutch than Molly. She couldn't live without his lies.

[@arthurmorgan1657]

You know i still have the fishing memories with Jack. Until the forbidden pinkertons came and destroyed the fun. Jack is still a wonderful boy now though nearly an adult he is growing fast as the ligth.

[@rainbowsuplex6057]

@@lwyl6078 This is the Arthur before he gets TB

[@bluezy1723]

Ugh geez

[@jordansalmon8119]

Yea jack is a gunslinger now 👍🏼

[@caitlynkiramman72]

Arthur morgan ❤

[@youjreal9469]

RainbowSuplex I am the Arthur in chapter 1

[@TheycallmeUncleB]

"She knew the rules" they said it several times. I think she wanted to die and couldn't do it herself. Maybe she wanted to die and make Dutch hurt in the process.

[@EuropaMann88]

You and Molly both have something in common

[@bcat232002]

Going around in circles? Yes

[@turtletimeplays6510]

Hehehehe loving Dutch that’s what

[@EuropaMann88]

Michael Kennedy 😂

[@heisenberg7513]

Michael Kennedy thank you. You have my faith

[@jeraisnaturalfitness9313]

Both are dead

[@muttlyisntreal]

I've always felt bad for Molly and there relationship acually mad me sad as I progressed through the story

[@cuddleswithcavies9969]

I think the reason why Molly said what she did is very pure and simple. She loved Dutch. She’d given her life and soul to him. But he hadn’t returned that same love. She hated him for that. And she wanted to hurt him. She knew that the thought her of betraying him would cut him deeper than any knife or bullet. She didn’t care about the consequences because she was too distraught by current situation to even care about living. He hurt her and she just wanted to hurt him back.

[@leeannmiller1727]

“You don’t owe me Nottin” “I don’t owe you Nottin” Molly O’Shea In her last moments

[@Kittyclaws1274]

She was lead away from a life of comfort for love that Dutch promised her. She was isolated from all the other girls in camp, didn’t do chores or set up, and dressed much nicer than the other girls which just separated her more. She was fully dependent on Dutch cause he promised her protection, “I have gods ear” she finally had his attention

[@Danny-xu7hc]

Tuberculosis lol how do his camp members not get it????? Edit:I think Micah told agent someone because he probably want to live with Dutch and have all the money

[@ACE-vj8vr]

no because micah told ross that they would be meeting at the top of that mountain so ross could kill him and give micah money

[@Danny-xu7hc]

Kill who

[@cameramanmatt9459]

I haven't personally researched this, but I've read that TB is a dormant infection. It requires a full on breakdown of your immune system to take over. Arthur nearly dying in the ocean is what started his countdown to death. At least that's the theory I've read, but it makes sense since Arthur was only dying after Guarma.

[@furymern8162]

Some of them probably got it, but tuberculosis is a disease that usually does not show any symptoms (only the 10% of the infected appear symptoms).

[@therideneverends1697]

@@furymern8162 Pretty much, most people who have it show now symptoms and are perfectly healthy. people who develop symptoms are actually the minority.

[@MoonLightAssassin5]

Molly was an unique person that's for sure, but she didn't have to die she could of just returned to Ireland.

[@jamielonerxxx3473]

I’m ☘️ Irish

[@johnbeer5242]

😂🍻hahah

[@sirsmokey710]

She "sniched"

[@helizaj2620]

I get the impression as a woman in the time RDR2 was set she probably wouldn't have been in a foreign country so far away from her home completely alone unless she had been disowned from her family or something like that. I don't think Molly could simply return to Ireland

[@onikai7055]

Fax

[@earlmoore7003]

4:20 imagine if the Pinkertons didn't have to come pickup Micah or nothing, instead he came to them of his own choice after Arthur broke him out of strawberry, and he's been a rat/snake ever since!

[@Hellraiser988]

He was a rat since blackwater

[@earlmoore7003]

Arthur: I'm a fool mr Milton Milton: not everyone of you boys have a few scruples, micah bell Arthur: Micah?, you mean molly? Milton: ms. Molly o shea?, we sweated her a couple times, never talked a word, had to let her go, but good old mr Micah bell, we didn't have to come pick him up or nothing, he came to us of his own choice after you broke him out of strawberry and he's been a good boy (rat/snake) ever since.

[@bobinski1996]

@@earlmoore7003 Honestly I thought he said "After your little trip to Guarma" Almost there in campaign though I'll have to see

[@earlmoore7003]

@@bobinski1996 No I said it this for my view of how it went down

[@bobinski1996]

@@earlmoore7003 Misread your first part haha my bad

[@brettbeyer73]

Don't forget thre other master manipulator: Micah. I kinda think he put Molly up to confessing to being the rat with promises that she could get her revenge and that Dutch wouldn't retaliate because of their relationship. Molly gets the blame and Micah buys more time for himself. The jerk.

[@peacemaker-du4hz]

I still dont like micah ,even though it's just a game,that punk should have been taken out a long time ago

[@leahlaperry8095]

I think she lied to get Dutch's reaction and see if he loved her enough to let her live enough IF she was the rat. (Who else finished Rdr2?)

[@PumpkinEater200]

m re

[@rdr2gamer202]

Finished it almost 6 times

[@liv.xoxoxo]

i felt so bad for Molly. and still do every time i play rdr2 over again. i hated seeing her like that. i wish things turned out better for Molly,

[@Aries-TheRam]

Best ending: Everything happens like it happens but, Arthur right before he died coughs on Micah and John doesn’t have to go beast mode on Mount Heagen and get the Pinkertons Attention

[@orkiso1]

One of the most tragic characters. Dutch ruined her entire life by false promises of love and affection. She gave up everything for him.

[@SugaryPhoenixxx]

You are SPOT ON. Molly was actually one of my favorite characters because I am a girl who loved a man who promised me the world but he used me for his own amusement instead. So I feel like I can kind of relate to Molly. She just finally had it with pretending that Dutch loved her & pretending they have a future as a couple & she wanted him to feel the same hurt & betrayal that she felt with his constant rejection. I am not saying that Molly was right or coherent in her actions, but I can say that Dutch was completely self absorbed through all of this. But since I felt so attached to Molly as a character I now feel a hatred for Ms.Grimshaw that a lot of people (including myself) feel for Micah. Whenever she talks to me in camp I snub her & give her the cold shoulder because I realize at a moments notice she can kill one of her own without much evidence to motivate her. I suppose a confession is usually pretty substantial evidence but in my eyes Molly's death was a tragedy caused only by her love for Dutch, seeing him as an idealization of freedom & strength. So sad.

[@drippygentleman]

No one cares about your sob story

[@deedeeletzgus5233]

All rational goes out the window when a person is inebriated, and emotional. I think Grimshaw "jumped the gun".

[@melissagovender3440]

I got rdr2 about 2 weeks ago. I hadgrown so used to the gang that when they started to fall apart, I literally sat there with the controller in my hands crying. The story was so sad at parts. It hurt to watch the gang fall apart. And to see Dutch's true colors.. Damn.. But in the last mission, on the mountains, where you got to finish off Micah, I was shocked at Dutch's actions. It has a truly heartwarming and heartbreaking storyline..

[@_yunggravyy]

The real question is "Have you seen Gavin?"

[@niccomejia9797]

Lol

[@malloryechelmeyer6679]

I'm so sad to have found him in the epilogue, and he's still looking for him!

[@pretz5584]

“Revenge is a fools game”- Arthur Morgan

[@helizaj2620]

Isn't that actually something that Dutch taught Arthur?

[@UnknownPerson-2004]

@@helizaj2620 yep lol he didn't play the game 😂😂😂

[@helizaj2620]

@@UnknownPerson-2004 😂😂😂

[@lucasmartinez5703]

Dutch being the one to tell him that is the best part about that line.

[@2Cerealbox]

She says why she did it. You even showed it. "Oh, now I have God's ear." and then proceeds to attempt to say her bit before she's killed. She just said it to get his attention.

[@joshuajackson472]

Just played some of this today, and something struck me for the first time... The mission where Molly tries to talk to Arthur, but is interrupted by Uncle, An Honest Mistake. Which I'd always taken to reference Uncle not knowing it was a Cornwall carriage. But this time i took it differently. She starts by asking if Dutch is ok, to which Arthur says he's about the same as always. Then, and this is what struck me, she says something along the lines of, "I'm worried, you know how Dutch is, loyalty is everything...if he ever found out..." And then thats when uncle interrupts. If dutch ever found out what? The Honest Mistake might very well refer to whatever Molly doesn't want dutch to find out about, since he thinks loyalty is everything. Did she cheat on dutch? Did she tell the pinkertons where to find them near valentine, or told cornwall? Whatever it is that she did, it's eating her up, and it's after that mission that she starts behaving differently. Maybe it's that guilt that leads her to push dutch away, and then eventually try to force him to kill her. Or maybe she blames him for driving her to cheating? Just find it interesting that i saw that scene completely differently this time.

[@joshuajackson472]

A bit further in, when Dutch and Micah go to meet Colm... Colm says "you always did like the ladies, Dutch van der Linde. I always liked that about you." I wonder if that line has any bearing on what Molly is distressed/guilty about.

[@AssassinatorScout1]

Remember she did said “I loved you!” That’s very strong...

[@Flamaro]

Molly and Dutch’s relationship can be summed up with one camp interaction: Molly: “I love you Dutch” Dutch: “thank you my dear”

[@loamytab0883]

But it could’ve been she wanted Dutch to feel the pain of having to kill her when he used to have feelings for her but it didn’t go to plan because Susan shot her.

[@MistahJay7]

But wait Mr Milton said he picked up Michah when you guys came back from Guarma. That part always confused me lol cuz if thats true then how could Michah have been the one to tell them about the bank roberry

[@griffsgamehub3683]

My theory is that they were both rats but that is not a popular opinion

[@china5760]

Khal Drogo23 he said the Caribbean, not gaurma. I think they were different situations

[@maxcarrasco260]

No no, im with you on this. Micah was the rat after Guarma. Molly is the rat of the Black Water robbery.

[@mystxryx]

China Guarma is in the Caribbean

[@Fez4277]

Mr. Milton (seems to be) the mentor to Ross. We know what kind of a person and liar Ross is. Milton could have lied to Arthur, something he taught Ross to do.

[@TRHOUSPARTY]

SIX NINE YOU KNEW THE RULES!!!! smh lol

[@joecrail7596]

Yeah that's the funny thing about these younger want to be gangsters who think they're f****** tough and probably just like yourself when their facing the remainder of your life behind Bars you're going to turn snitch too... see that's the problem with all you young want to be gangsters who don't know the game properly you know that when you enter this game you take the risk of being snitched,killed, or busted aswell So don't get mad at the person who plays their part get mad at the "game" you decided to play take ownership for trusting a kid and not thinking they would snitch on u your first mistake was trusting a child in a man's game/world this is no place for children so who's fault is it for opening ur doors to a kid see OGs dont target kids only punk ass wannabes do why cuz they're too afraid of getting busted so they want to have a kid do all the work for him so the kid takes the fall instead of being a man and owning up to the things that you do wrong and the consequences that come with them like the old saying goes you do the crime you pay the f****** time be a man keep your mouth shut and do what's right be a stand up guy

[@cadunvanderslice2804]

@@joecrail7596 the dude making fun of people for not being gangster enough is censoring the f word.

[@kxn5163]

@@joecrail7596 How about not being a criminal at all and get a career that way you don’t have to worry about snitching or being snitched on. The game is stupid along with all who plays it man or kid because it is their personal choice to get involved with a game they can never win which is what red dead story is about you can rob steal and run but eventually it all comes to a end

[@Therealcrashbandicoot]

Even Micah was like damn that was cold , that’s why I think he shot mrs grimshaw the same way in the end

[@DisasterNmayhem]

Well the Pinkertons say that they sweated her a couple times

[@chasebishop4580]

JamieandNolan Armstrong but they also say she didn’t speak a word so they had to let her go

[@ACE-vj8vr]

what does sweating mean

[@Zynirel]

@@ACE-vj8vr hahaha

[@GhostlyComrade]

I get it

[@joshuahughes5761]

Think he’s fine until u go to Saint Denis, unless it stops u gaining weight when u get back to America

[@dmyelle]

I loved molly from the start something about Irish accents

[@daltontannery3243]

A redhead with an Irish accent is even better

[@katsudoncookie6211]

When you're an irish person that cosplays Molly 👁👄👁

[@onikai7055]

Fax

[@onikai7055]

@American Texian facts

[@brianpeterson5538]

The one thing that has confused me about this whole thing... Milton said Micah started helping them out after Guarma, which was also after the bank robbery. So Micah couldn’t have been the one to tip the Pinkertons off about the bank robbery. So if Molly didn’t do it, and clearly Micah didn’t do it.... who did?

[@bierangtamen]

underrated comment and that's true wtf...maybe a writing error? because i do believe Milton that it was Micah

[@Bee_Bom]

It was Hosea

[@shaimgaming2334]

It’s no one. It’s obvious that the Pinkertons would find them there. Pinkertons aren’t that dumb. Killing bronte just got their heat too high and that’s why it happened. They knew that the only thing they could do was rob the bank.

[@shaimgaming2334]

@@Bee_Bom no it can’t be.

[@gisi5276]

I think it was bronte, i mean he already tricked them with the post robbery, so maybe after his death the pinkertons knew where the gang would strike next.

[@odst1149]

No, molly ratted on the gang before the bank robbery in Saint Denis. When Dutch and the boys got back from Guama, Milton and the Pinkertons caught Mr. bell and had him feed information to them. We find this out when Milton tells Arthur during his rescue attempt for Abigail

[@davyjones5068]

Yet, Milto said Molly spread nothing and they have to let her go. Which part of that line you missed genius?

[@lafindesharicots]

The Pinkertons have no reason to protect Molly and yet they say she wasn’t a rat. Stop making up the narrative that she told on them. The game makes it clear that she didn’t.

[@aidynsbestyoutubemoments]

When I first saw the cutscene I thought she wasn’t the rat and she was just drunk and didn’t know what she was saying

[@greyfox3334]

There is one detail that makes no sense if Micah was captured by the Pinkerton agents after Guarma's return and became a collaborator, who informed Agent Milton of the assault of the Bank of Saint Denis prior to Guarma's mission?

[@monstrous0579]

I agree

[@stevengillooly3710]

Bronte? He did set them up at the trolly and on top of that he knew all the police in saint denis

[@greyfox3334]

I believe Bronte has spoken to the police of Saint Denis, but with Agent Milton! I have my doubts ... Also how did Agent Milton know about the day and time of the bank robbery?

[@ninthshark9153]

I think molly becamre depressed from everyone laughing and making fun of her. She was only there cos she loved dutch And when he started to treat her badly she became depressed and maybe a bit crazy. I think she slowly became suicidal and she knew the rules so she made dutch go mad and she was killed

[@Jessica_Johnson1995]

I actually think molly had got to the point where she wanted to die more than anything and saw pretending to betray dutch as the way to do because it was the best way to get at him emotionally at that stage of his descent into madness. When she was like "You all turned him against me!" I was just like calm down there anakin lol.

[@midnight0422]

I agree the game made it clear that she wasn't the rat and why she did what she did. I like that you included scenes of Molly's different interactions in camp that support as evidence because even after playing the game over many times there where a few scenes I never saw which was interesting to watch.

[@jessicarocha2893]

I loved it when Karen punches Molly at 9:41 and the sounds molly makes 😂😂😂

[@Decepticon_004]

It sounded like OOF

[@gamergenixyt5631]

Not gonna lie the way Karen punches molly in the face is pretty badass

[@Krissyd215]

Facts lol i never witnessed it until this video despite playing the game 4 times lol I'm actually close to that part now so I gotta keep my eyes open for it

[@cadunvanderslice2804]

Facts doe

[@watchmekillthis2439]

Agent Milton says that Micah started to snitch when they came back from the Carribean

[@PumpkinEater200]

the guys micah also brought to camp were helping rat em out

[@sneakyskunk1]

In a game full of "OH GOD NO" moments, this was one of the more shocking to me. It just goes to show how much faith Mrs. Grimshaw had in Dutch(that faith being sadly misplaced).

[@glitchyb2932]

I love how nobody noticed she explicitly mentions the bank and not anything else. It’s pretty easy to tell that Micah is the real rat and Molly only told the Pinkertons about one robbery bc she was obviously distraught. I doubt she “lied”

[@slicksilver9441]

What I do not understand is how can Arthur can cough all over Abigail @3:59 and even other folks but they never contract T.B.??

[@AC-nw3cm]

Slick Silver Abigail dies of tuberculosis but it wasn’t from Arthur

[@LouisReed01]

Azi Clauss she died from tuberculosis?

[@kidCashOnline]

I'm hella confused because Milton said they didn't get their hands on Micah until after guarma

[@helizaj2620]

This is exactly what I've been thinking! If Molly didn't actually tell and they didn't get information off Micah until "after they returned from the Caribbean," then how did the pinkertons know about the bank robbery?

[@PumpkinEater200]

yea

[@PumpkinEater200]

@@helizaj2620 remember the guys Micah brought to camp

[@helizaj2620]

@@PumpkinEater200 yeah what about them though?

[@PumpkinEater200]

@@helizaj2620 they were helping micah be a rat

[@cedricm5153]

Dutch is a Master manipulator, but Micah is the Grand master manipulator.

[@salvatore8898]

John is just simple man, but killed both of them

[@ayhamshaheed7740]

Salvatore Jack is the simplest any male in the gang has been. And he killed Edgar Ross, who tormented the gang for over a decade

[@salvatore8898]

Ayham Shaheed not too clever= survive

[@gabebruns2466]

I always thought that Dutch was in love with Mrs. Grimshaw

[@GarnetFox85x]

she lied because Dutch had his eyes on Mary Beth and thought she was gonna loose him... and disappearing to ghuarma didn't help she thought he didn't like her or love her anymore and saw him looking at Mary... and it drove her angry because dutch denied it every time and dutch saying its all in her head drove her to breaking point and she knew he didn't love her anymore... and she gave up everything to be with him... she has no one she came from Ireland to be with him... she didnt think her life was worth living anymore without him... and ultimately lied and got drunk and wanted to die...

[@SugaryPhoenixxx]

Poor thing. Such a tragedy. What if the story took an entirely different turn & Molly made Dutch see that there was more lo life than fighting? & that he left the life of an outlaw to love Molly & start a family. Wouldn't that have been a happy ending? & then in the end could show them all at a "family" reunion. Lenny & Hosea would still be alive. Micah would not have anything to snitch about. Crazy how the butterfly effect can change the course of history for so many people. Ah sorry I am a bit stoned & I went off on a tangent there.

[@manramen]

I think also Dutch's lack of care for the gang became most clear when he didn't order a clearout of the camp after Molly's supposed betrayal. This should've been a clear warning the Pinkertons were enroute or at least aware they were nearby. There's no proof but I also think Micah was responsible for the Pinkertons from the start including the Colter chapter stand-off, likely thinking he'd gain something faster with fewer numbers. He didn't go straight to the Pinkertons per se, but he was leaving some kind of trail to be sure.

[@Darkwolfhellhound]

This is why I live by the saying "words said in anger will never taste sweet" - she shouldn't have wasted her breath on him because in the end all he cared about was him and other people being loyal to him. i think she knew that when she went off like that because it got to a point where she thought "oh so i'm here suffering and none of this bothers you like it does for me? Fine, I'll say something that will bug you" but it's still sad....poor girl deserved better. They don't even talk about her body like it was once a living person they shared their camp with just a sack of meat waiting to be burned and disposed of :(

[@christinesimpson4878]

I know the real reason Molly lies to Dutch. It’s because in the games script the writers wrote it so that she lied, then, the voice actors actually read right off the script. I know, I know. Big surprise. I was disappointed to find this out too. The writers actually making it so she lied to Dutch the the voice actors reading it that way. Insanity. My whole world has been flipped upside down.

[@jerkmyegoonxbox2137]

I love this comment 😂😂😂😂

[@christinesimpson4878]

Jerk My Ego thanks!! I don’t usually like giving someone a hard time. But this guy is really reaching with RD2. All the videos where he acts like he’s found something top secret or whatever. I watch his videos now just to see how far he will go. Its hilariously sad at this point.

[@jerkmyegoonxbox2137]

@@christinesimpson4878 I'm in the same boat as you. I know he's getting by using KZbin it seems but sometimes he stretches things too far lol but still is entertaining to watch

[@jerkmyegoonxbox2137]

@@christinesimpson4878 I also don't think Molly lied lol

[@christinesimpson4878]

Jerk My Ego oh absolutely. When I first started watching his videos he was actually posting useful videos that showed things that a person might miss. Now he’s just posting nonsense. It is entertaining like you said though.

[@LunarSystem19]

I think she just wanted to die but didn't want to kill herself. So she said what she needed to not only get back at dutch in a way, make him hurt like he made her hurt, but as a way to get killed by someone else. Hence why she smiled when she was shot. She knew her pain and mistreatment was finally over.

[@PaulSmith-pe1kh]

I agree, she was trying to touch him deeply in the one way she knew she could when all else failed, she wanted to hurt him and she wanted to end her own hurt. She did all she set out to accomplish. Tragic.

[@coffeepilled9730]

I feel so bad for her. She deserves so much better

[@maarek71]

From what i just saw she only told them about the bank robbery. Not "everything else". This was before Micah started working for them Technically she did NOT lie. Watch it again.

[@PumpkinEater200]

remember those guys micah brought to camp

[@eyancode5171]

“YOU THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO A MAN’S AFFECTION!? MOPING AND PESTERING ALL THE DAMN DAY!?”.......... Good Evening 😂😂

[@onikai7055]

It’s not her fault it’s Dutch’s he started it anyways

[@jload1ng]

Dutch really just dissed the FINEST girl in the game 😔💔

[@chrissygcity6211]

HOLYFEAR96 for real 👌🏻

[@heisenberg7513]

Now do you have FAITH in me

[@jload1ng]

Dutch van der Linde of all the things I do have faith in you is not one Dutch...

[@heisenberg7513]

@@jload1ng SPEAK ENGLISH BOHA

[@justinjones8886]

Jaylin tilly is easily the finest

[@Mdgly]

One of the best things Rockstar did in RDR2 was set the atmosphere at the camp. You can feel the love and family closeness they have with each other in the first 2-3 chapters. Then chapter 4 onwards it slowly goes and when Molly gets killed you just feel the animosity everyone has for each other.

[@TRHOUSPARTY]

THOSE ARGUEMENTS BETWEEN DUTCH AND MOLLY ARE GOLD

[@joshuabrown2521]

TR33 HOUS3 PARTY83 OY SAW YOU LOOKIN AT HER DOTCH.

[@oliverpony]

She may be the only member of The Gang That doesn't have their own grave

[@maddan4823]

me : "Clicks on Video because of title and thumbnails" 00.02 : "Hey . . . MrbossFortheTrashbin here" me : YEeT

[@jholmes7646]

Love all the rdr videos

[@MrJoeBlaze]

Dutch overshadows everything in the game. Along with a few other characters. Some character's can be easy distractions from what else is happening, Making it difficult to focus on EVERYTHING AT ONCE. Kind of like you spending time in real life with certain people, Thing's always get overshadowed, It just is very hard to tell because of too many complicated factors for me to explain properly. And all of this would be heavily dependant on a certain situation.

[@bjornpersson9549]

Actually I belive she meant that she told the agents, that she wished Dutch to be killed at the bank robbery.... Not that she told on the gang. She is drunk and crazy and are not let to speak out fully, before she is shot dead.

[@Thepacifistt]

When I played the first game I wanted a second game so bad that I thought what if we can see Dutch Javier John and Bill in the years before 1911 like an origan

[@NaderHmagSHORTS]

I mean he said after we picked him up from the Caribbean that was after the bank robbery so idk if Micah was the one who did it

[@ziahamm1603]

Because it was a messed up way of getting Dutch' attention who neglected her for a very long time and treated her like shit, which is why she lied.

[@pinky42o69]

Love your videos! They have made me replay the stroyline a few times. I've found so many things you haven't covered (and vice versa) but I'm not telling cuz everyone should replay this game!! over again

[@magnusskallagrimsson6707]

It's a pretty common trope involving scorned lovers.

[@MamaKyM]

actually, if you focus on the scene, all she says is she told them about the bank robbery.. not everything else.. micah is the one that spills on everything, she was the one to call the cops for the robbery