Why my engine management light was on. Yamaha MT10

[@Tojj29]

The beemers suffer with a similar problem. That Mt sounds lovely under acceleration 👌 I agree with Jerry, keep it till it stops 👍

[@Banditmanuk]

It's been one of the few bikes in 44 years of riding, that has suited me almost perfectly. Comfort, handling, performance and most importantly reliability. I'm now almost scared to change it incase I spend money on something I don't like so much

[@Tojj29]

@@Banditmanuk Just read my post. Bloody predictive text! Corrected now

[@RodKrisBisdakMotovlog0627]

Very awesome Yamaha MT-10 my friend. One of my dream bike

[@Banditmanuk]

It's been a fabulous bike. It's still me dream bike

[@Jay_Speed]

From the first Yamaha with that valve I had in 1989 a FZR 1000 Exup I never deleted this valve. Never seen the need for it, the engines run fine even with another exhaust. My current FZ1 Fazer is stock and stays that way.

[@Banditmanuk]

@Jay_Speed As a result of this video, a viewer donated his nearly new cat & valve that was removed from his now sold MT10. I just need to swap it over as the light has now come back on again. I, too, wish to keep the bike stock

[@Jay_Speed]

@@Banditmanuk When I bought my FZ1 it came with a Acrapovic, I did not like it, too loud. So I bought a second hand original with valve and cables from a breaker for 75 euro. Mounted it myself and it was not hard to do just being handy and have some experience. I was a mechanic for a lot of years, afterwards the bike ran better, quieter and it did not need a tuning even when the dealer told me it was needed. Now it still is as good as gold, these Yamaha engines are really good for years, when you drive normal.

[@johnbellamy6449]

glad you got it fixed Richard .

[@Banditmanuk]

@johnbellamy6449 So far, so good, John. A £45.00 fix is not bad at Yamaha main dealer prices

[@johnbellamy6449]

@@Banditmanuk now you know you would perhaps have a look yorself ,w d 40 ?

[@Banditmanuk]

@johnbellamy6449 Yes, but without the right tool, I wouldn't be able to reset the light

[@paulstorer6937]

The memories of Ashby on a Friday and Saturday night plus Old Mother Hubbards 🍺🍻😂

[@Banditmanuk]

@@paulstorer6937 Doesn't seem that long ago Paul.

[@MrBeracah]

The bikes a keeper even tho you tottle along at safe speeds. It’s always good to know you have the poke if you need it or just enjoy a blast now and again, within the speed limits of course. Only decide to change it if it has become uncomfortable when touring, due to older joints.

[@Banditmanuk]

@MrBeracah The majority of the time, I think I ride the bike with restraint. Being on KZbin, it would be foolish to publish riding it in any other way. At the moment, I'm right on the edge of long-distance comfort with an arthritis diagnosis in both knees. I wish Yamaha built a Tracer 10 with the CP4 engine. Until then, it's a keeper.

[@cecilwilson5442]

That's problem with exhaust flapper valves but off copper grease and cables lubrication,, old exup 30 years ago same 👍 seems like a great motorcycle 🏍️,☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland

[@Banditmanuk]

@cecilwilson5442 If that's been the only issue in 8 years and 38,000 miles, I've not done bad. Thanks for watching

[@SOLOMOTOUK]

Hi Richard sorry I cannot help but that seems cheap to get replaced . My friend has a bmw and his flapper valve got stuck he had to have completely new headers fitted cause there sealed on to them luckily it was still under warranty otherwise £1500 to do it 👍🏍️

[@Banditmanuk]

That's nuts! Someone else has just made exactly the same comment about BMW. If it went under warranty it didn't last long. At least mine has made 8 years and only needed freeing off for £40.00

[@RichardASK]

@@Banditmanuk Rich, that's why we buy Japanese. Reliability.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

I thought it was something more complicated. I hope that now it is solved. It is always reasonable to change the bike, but for a better one. Better is not always a brand new one. :) Great video Richard, enjoyed. Can check my community tab when you can. Cheers.

[@Banditmanuk]

@RRRRefuelRideRace I'm happy it was something simple. Will do Gregor, please excuse me not having the chance to catch everyone's vid, I've just been super busy with the day job.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

@@Banditmanuk Feel free Richard. :) Whenever.

[@NooBiker]

That's pretty good going for years and miles without issues. Perhaps if you need to, get a second hand one off a breaker's yard? I had the EML come on on my Kwak. Manual says O2 sensor, probably due to moisture (rain or a ford? Very unusual for me 😅). Had the dealership reset the light, no issues since 👍 (3-5k miles) Good luck 🤞

[@Banditmanuk]

@NooBiker I did another 250 miles into Wales yesterday, it's still not come back on. As Exeter Rider said, most of these warning lights are Euro emissions related.

[@MTBrider26]

have a look at a servo buddy for a made to measure solution.

[@Banditmanuk]

Will do, so far about 400 miles in, it's not come back on. Cheers

[@greywolf9292]

I'm glad it didn't cost too much to diagnose and resolve the issue as well as surprised to know the cost of a replacement. It seems the Healtech eliminator might be the best option going forwards unless someone comes up with one they've got lying around. The ZZR has gone and the BMW R1250R should be in my stable by the end of next week. I'm sad but excited as the Beemer seems like it's going to be a while lot of fun.

[@Banditmanuk]

I should say commiserations and congratulations. Very little is out there to match the sheer speed of a ZZR but I do think the BMW will offer better real world usability and practicality as well as plenty of low rev grunt. As for my Yam, it's a minor blip on a near perfect 8 years of reliability. It will take more than that to make me sell

[@greywolf9292]

@@Banditmanuk Thanks Richard & Carol, Fair play to you Richard you love that bike and your staying loyal to it as long as it treats you well.

[@RichardASK]

Rich. I have left my EM light on for nearly 3k miles. It makes not a jot of difference to how the bikes goes. It came on when I put my MT10 on a paddock stand, put it in first gear and let it tick over in gear whilst I lubed the chain and on the light came. When it's next serviced, the dealer will reset it to off. I still fill my bike wherever possible, at home and make sure the fuel ends up just under where the underside of the cap just touches the fuel. Sure it takes a little time, but it's about another 2 - 3 litres. Give it a go. Nice vid again. Why would you change a bike as good as the MT10? Blimy Rich you're only 60. Stay with it, you know it makes sense.

[@Banditmanuk]

@RichardASK 😆😆 I'm certainly not the oldest MT10 owner. I'm also not seriously thinking of changing. I'm thinking a decade of ownership of the same bike would be a nice achievement. Even though it's thirsty, the overall cost of ownership/depreciation has been low. 10K new, still worth over 4K and a trouble free 8 years and 38,000 miles of riding. I've already (many years ago) done a video on squeezing that extra bit in the tank. I only do it occasionally now as I haven't got the patience in the filling station

[@HippoDrones]

Glad you got it sorted mate... and now you know how to fix it, you could save mony in the future if it gets sticky again

[@Banditmanuk]

@HippoDrones Yep, that issue doesn't concern me. I've had lots of suggestions on how to eliminate the valve and light all together.

[@AndyGSATractor]

The bmw suffer from them valves..iv just purchased a hex gs911 so I can read and clear code amongst other things.. going to leave it on the bike full time as it light and small.. hopefully won't need it in picos next week . Glad your is all sorted it a lovely bike and a keeper I think ..iv decided to keep the gsa for now so it's upgrades will continue 😊

[@Banditmanuk]

I prefer your GSA to the new one 😳😳I'm sure you will have a great time in the Picos. We love it there. Are you riding down through France or paying the arm and leg to go via Santander or Bilboa

[@AndyGSATractor]

@Banditmanuk Portsmouth to bilbao ferry week tomorrow. 1st time with bike on the boat

[@Banditmanuk]

@@AndyGSATractor If the Bay of Biscay is calm you will be fine. The ferries are nice. Nothing to do for a day other than drink lol

[@AndyGSATractor]

@@Banditmanuk sounds like a plan 😁🤣

[@exeterrider]

EML are nearly always something to do with exhausts or lights. They should just call them the "euro just reset light" blimming things. Glad it's sorted anyway. I totally get why you don't want to decat, it sounds so good as it is.

[@Banditmanuk]

@exeterrider I recently saw a post on the MT10 Facebook group stating; "You shouldn't own an MT10 if you're not prepared to de-cat it." I love the CP4 engine sound, but on tour and longer runs, that noise can become an ear-drumming drone. Yep, most of these lights are connected to Euro introduced emissions. These bikes are still way more reliable than the old carburettor bikes of the 70s & 80s

[@kevindarkstar]

1:06 did you say 92 miles 😮 boy that's not great, but I guess expected on these kinda bike

[@Banditmanuk]

Yep, that's what happens when I'm out on my own in the back roads! It usually does a bit better than that. You put up with the range because everything else about the bike is brilliant

[@alanedwards5279]

I have a full cat in my garage you can have , i live in derby so not far if you want to collect it . regards Alan

[@Banditmanuk]

@alanedwards5279 That's very kind of you. Best keep any address and personal details out of these public comments, but if it's possible to drop an email to [e-mail] I will get back to you. Cheers

[@the_mad_leprechaun]

Hello. I don’t really know what the exhaust flaps do. I had the exact same problem on my GSA. I took advice from my local BMW dealer and fixed it myself. How long it stays fixed, who knows. Nothing to get in a flap about though! 😂

[@Banditmanuk]

@the_mad_leprechaun 😆😆 I've had the generous offer of a cat and valve removed from another MT10. Don't need it yet but will probably take it and fit when required.

[@daddystu7046]

Mine came on on the Tracer when over in Europe. Got back and cancelled the code with my cheapo OBD2 unit. Pretty sure it was a low quality tank of fuel. 85 octane in the Pyrenees - no choice.

[@Banditmanuk]

@@daddystu7046 I might get on of those readers 👍👍

[@LoneWallyUK]

Good choice of test route. Pretty sure I saw a that truck the other day. Not sure if you can for the M10 but I’m pretty sure you can for others just buy a Carrie delete or something that just leaves it open

[@Banditmanuk]

I should have guessed you would know that route 👍👍 I wonder how the power grid copes with a fleet of electric trucks? 🤔

[@RichardASK]

@@Banditmanuk It won't cope. This dead-end technology will be shown up like "the Emperors New Clothes" within the next few years.

[@johnbateman327]

Yamaha MT-10 SP 2017 - 2020 Healtech Exhaust Eliminator. Get ine of them i did for my super duke then you dont have to worry they jam all the time. I also had the same on my GS.

[@Banditmanuk]

@johnbateman327 Thanks, appreciate the heads up

[@johnbateman327]

@@Banditmanuk there just there for the Euro sound regs, I've not noticed any difference since fitting it just stays wide open. Doesn't really effect the sound much from what I can tell just enough to pass Euro whatever.

[@flatcapcaferacer]

Considering the years of ownership and mileage the flapper valve is pretty insignificant problem, I'd keep the MT-10 until you get a major problem.

[@Banditmanuk]

@flatcapcaferacer Yep. That's exactly how I feel. I'm super comfortable on it. It's exciting to ride and, so far, reliable.

[@richmt0913]

Mine was wired open

[@Banditmanuk]

@richmt0913 I've got lots of options, including doing just that. Another viewer who's local to me has offered his old cat took off his 2018 machine Appreciate the info. Thanks

[@darrenhall6509]

Sounds like your getting itchy feet with the MT. Out of interest, what would you like to change it for?

[@Banditmanuk]

Funny you should say that. Another person asked exactly that. I'm not looking to change unless the Yam becomes unreliable but. A 1200 Tiger suits me (I've tried one) I like the 1300GS (not the GSA🤢🤢) I like the Guzzi Stelvio and Multistrada but not sure I trust the Italian reliability Trouble is I only paid 10K for the MT10 over 8 years ago. It's still worth over 4K. I just don't see anything offering so much great riding (40,000 miles) for so little money

[@loftysaltmarsh69]

BMW insist on changing the whole headers if the valve sticks on a GS…… £1500 please 😡

[@Banditmanuk]

Really, wow! The £400 from Yamaha is a bargain then 😉

[@mrcintheuk4641]

I'm not a fan of loud exhausts, and they don't save lives! Bought a bike with an after marker can fitted but also came with the original. I liked it too start with, especially with short, sharp acceleration but after my first long trip that involved motorways it was replaced with the original immediately. What an annoying drone! The first couple of rides with the new exhaust was quite an eye opener as I was travelling so much faster in view of the lack of noise. It took a little while to adjust to normal speeds.

[@Banditmanuk]

Exactly. On my previous Versys 1000, I fitted an arrow end can. It drove me nuts on longer journeys and triggered the tinnitus caused my many years working in a noisy industrial environment. I honestly like the sound and noise level that comes stock on this Euro 4 machine. I think the new models are even quieter

[@RichardASK]

@@Banditmanuk " I think the new models are even quieter" They are quieter and more induction noise. I think they've spoilt the new bike, compared to the older model that we ride.

[@TheSpectre223]

The MT-10 is a great looking insect of a bike, so I could see why you'd keep it and enjoy it, to the degree that you can on the roads at least. If you were to swap it out for something else though, any ideas what that might be?

[@Banditmanuk]

I think something more touring oriented. Tiger 1200, BMW GS. Something with more leg room but not stupidly heavy. I would definitely like more fuel range. The MT10 isn't perfect, but I can live with its shortfalls while it remains reliable. I doubt I could ever find a bike that was as much fun to ride (It's such a hooligan machine) I should be past stuff like that at 60 😉

[@RichardASK]

@@Banditmanuk I should be past stuff like that at 60 NONSENSE!!!!