Why My Instructor Gets Mad Every Time I Learn Something Online!

[@BernardoFariaBJJ]

What are your thoughts on it?

[@Arcadianx98]

My Gracie Barra professor got upset with “KZbin moves” I do. I have been held back on promotions because I don’t stop doing other stuff he hasn’t taught. I’ve been winning gold the past 2 years in our local tournaments. Eventually blame is going to come back on him for sandbagging me if he keeps withholding promotions. I’m learning and winning so I’m fine with it

[@rstlr01]

My instructor says he’ll teach us the fundamentals of movements and their corresponding concepts leading to submissions. But it is on us to build our game individually, whether it be instructional or the KZbin university! The beauty of BJJ Is that everything eventually gets pressure tested and you can find out real quick if it is Legit…..

[@nicholasnj3778]

Change Dojos / gyms

[@camerondanchuk5558]

The difference between a good and bad coach in my opinion os that the good one will use, and let their students use a lot of different resources to learn

[@OSoSpoOOoky]

This is crazy! Since nearly day one of my jiu jitsu journey, I have been going to two different gyms AND have been using online resources. Neither of my coaches has a problem with this.

[@Slamminbassplayer]

If only more instructors had a Bernardo (growth) Mindset.

[@harryevans1111]

“Pouja this kids and they youchubes.” - my old coach just about weekly hahahaha

[@nicholasnj3778]

Haha

[@stephenroach8033]

Story of my 16 month jiu-jitsu life. I've spent 4 figures on BJJ fanatics videos as well as camps and private lessons. Even at 54 I've progressed very quickly but I've got tons of push back for training like this. The thing is, when I train with higher belts who don't know me, they always ask if I'm a Blue belt. Too many instructors expect you to hero worship them IMO. I've left gyms for this behavior. I'm paying you to learn not treat you like a god.

[@RazielKirin]

Alot of dojo’s are cults. It’s near impossible to find one that truly wants to teach,learn and grow. It’s about making as much money doing the least and playing god.

[@PianoPatterns123]

But, some of these egotistical black belts would do very poorly at the “range”.

[@stephenroach8033]

@PianoPatterns123 true. I was nationally rank 3 gunner. I even have a 400y range in my back yard. Lol

[@uipize]

a lot of schools try to sell a product, they are interested in your success but also want you to be depending on them.

[@nothingtoseehere.1000]

I always felt disrespectful asking my professor to help me with stuff he hasn't shown me. I mean he's taking time to show us his curriculum, and felt lame when I realized I was basically ignoring his guidance in order to learn some goofy youtube move. After I started focusing on what he was teaching I found real progress. Now I use it to supplement my game, or seek specific details when I fail after learning coaches technique. K guard details, that helped me bridge the gap. Then I'll take details I found online to complete the technique, and he'll troubleshoots that, or doesn't need to give feedback because it was the answer I needed to make progress. There's a blue belt at my gym that does it all the time, he will debate and argue the merit of the online technique as if he's our professors peer. 🤷‍♂ But the journey is different for us all. :) Do you.

[@rodrigotellom]

I empathize with this answer 100%.

[@stavrosnt9981]

I worked a bit as a math instructor and teaching assistant at uni and I can say that my life got immediately better when I realised that. Your value is not having the answers but in showing people how you get the answers and in that they find something of value that they can add to their own tool set

[@Jamoni1]

If someone wants me to follow their curriculum, they need to give me a syllabus.

[@liukang85]

good point

[@nicholasnj3778]

Awesome Video

[@Seaofjitsu]

To me this sound like a personality trait. Some people are naturally Possesive or Non-Possesive. Possesive Coach: You are my student and this is "my gym". You will learn my way because I know so much more than you and you are stupid. Useually they add how many years or something to make it seem valid when talking to them selfs and not really talking to you. They are useually very self centered. Non-Possesive Coach: I dont understand that move. I do see that it makes you happy and this is about your Journey of growth. I am just happy to have you at "Our gym" I am glad to help you. They dont brag about how many years they do Jiu Jitsu. They are useually very open minded.

[@Seaofjitsu]

This is a personal lesson I learned in life. I was the possesive type. I will never go back and it is not a good way to be. You can never be happy this way. Also looking toward the future I can not build the team, family and culture that I want this way. OSS 👊

[@ninjanickysveganwellness]

It seems like my instructor gets upset when we do that too.

[@greengreensio]

You have to understand why? before talk negative about your coach. Cz some coach get mad coz some students are learning things that are way too far from there skill level.

[@MP-db9sw]

A lot of times its because they feel like here they are, a black belt with years of competition experience, sometimes MMA experience, bouncing, kickboxing, whatever else theyve done, and theyre teaching their student directly and focusing on what the student actually needs to improve on to level up and instead they see the student putting their energy on all this wild, random stuff that has nothing to do with what theyre being taught.

[@tonysicily2687]

@@greengreensioso why not explain that, explain why and demonstrate the reasoning. Too many BJJ instructors get off on a power trip

[@greengreensio]

@@tonysicily2687 they are mad coz they explained it so many time.

[@pmartialartsx]

Basically not all instructors are matured enough to be an instructor. Having a Blackbelt is just the first of many steps to being a good instructor.

[@harryevans1111]

This is fantastic advice for every coach and teacher out there, in ANY subject! "The greatest enemy of learning is knowing" by John C. Maxwell.

[@PeterJames143]

wow that is a clever quote, i like it. thank you.

[@travismillar7513]

Good topic. Seen this one a few times. Reminds me of a saying, "it's what we learn after we know it all that counts😂"

[@nicholasnj3778]

Bernardo you have the right attitude… the other instructor is afraid the student will view him as less of a Black Belt , Be open minded OSS

[@MP-db9sw]

Yea my coach used to get super annoyed at us bringing yt stuff to class. But then again I couldnt escape side control and my buddy couldnt break closed guard so we really didnt need to be thinking about Berimbolos and rolling knee bars at that time lol

[@XKenny77]

I seem to be pretty lucky. My coaches are absolutely fine with learning and trying anything from anywhere. Having said that, I think in this situation I would say to my coach something like "can you help me with my half guard?" Once the coach is down on the mat, then I think it's easier to say "I've been trying to do x, but y keeps happening. Do you know what I'm doing wrong?" That way you're not saying outright that you're learning stuff elsewhere, and you're also more explicitly deferring to his greater skill and experience. I think if someone came to me saying "can you help me do Craig Jones' shit?" I can see why a coach might be inclined to tell you to ask Craig Jones. If you're just saying "I tried a thing and can you help me make it work?" then your coach doesn't have to know everything already. He's just down there on the mat with you, and you're figuring it out together. Who knows? Maybe your coach knows some tricks you haven't seen on your instructionals and this is his big chance to show them off!

[@PeterJames143]

I'm in this position too. I'm a blue belt. I study a lot on my own and I find my instructors getting frustrated sometimes. I currently respect my instructor's technical knowledge in jiu jitsu, but he doesn't always know the techniques I am doing. Sometimes he doesn't respect them even though they might be like old school Gracie techniques that he just isn't familiar with. Sometimes I'm doing more cutting edge stuff from top level competitors, and I get that my instructors are going to hem and haw when I follow someone's instruction. Sometimes it's a bit absurd when they tell me that I shouldn't follow some instructor on the basis that his techniques might not work, when their techniques that they just taught me just failed to work, either against students or against the instructor. It's like wtf dude. Yes, sometimes this stuff doesn't work. Your (the instructor's) stuff doesn't *always* work. The best technique in the world doesn't work when you don't know how to do it, or when you haven't done it enough. It's also absurd when people tell you not to do techniques that are 100% working. This whole issue of outside study can be a real problem. You really don't want your instructor pissed off at you for trying stuff. On the other hand it is totally inadequate to be reliant on whatever knowledge your instructor produces, unless that guy is 100% in tune with you which is virtually impossible if he's doing any kind of mainstream bjj instruction. The instructor's body type might be different, the skills he can do naturally might be different. We all as jiu jitsu people have to find our own wings and learn how to fly. Nobody is there to hold your hand while you're flying. You have to think for yourself, and your instructor should emphasize learning to fly yourself. Sometimes my theory is that if my shit works and I win, the instructor will be okay with me. My other theory is that whatever extracurricular stuff I do, I have to make sure I mirror my instructor's own techniques to him a little bit to keep him happy, even if that is 15 or 20 percent of what I'm learning. But honestly I'm not sure about that. Sometimes it's about the ego of the instructor, if there are two valid ways of doing something he wants you to do it his way. Now I still want to supplement but I have to figure out how to do it without damaging my relationships with my teachers. Some things in jiu jitsu are taught everywhere the wrong way, that is for sure. It is also absurd that if you have a valid way of doing something your instructor might tell you to do it differently. It's like you're always starting at zero, whatever you've accomplished. Like if someone is a good blue belt, he probably has one or two techniques that he can do better than 99% of the jiu jitsu people in the world. But when he goes into class his instructor might tell him to change it. I'm all in favor of learning a few new details. But if the student has shit takedowns and a black belt level triangle, it's absurd that his instructor who might have a shit triangle is trying to tell him how to do the triangle differently instead of fixing actual holes in his game.

[@plnmbjj]

One thing is that lots of coaches have the behavior of anything a student asks before even starting is wrong right away. I’ve seen this plenty of times happening, for example I’ve seen very in depth defensive details from some Roger Gracie instructions and people at my gym literally don’t even think about it but say, no this is wrong don’t do that, like, 99.99999% chances that they are wrong, so I ended up just don’t asking questions, instead tried to test techniques and details on my own, and figure out by myself. I am almost a brown belt so for a total beginner that might not be easy to do

[@greengreensio]

There always two side to the story. We have a few students in my gym are like that. They try to learn things are too advance for them online. They cant even do a proba arm bar. And they try to learn a jumping arm bar they see online. This is just one example

[@PeterJames143]

well that is the downside, especially when they learn dangerous flashy techniques or learn ineffective things. But there is a lot of legitimate stuff you can learn online, including on youtube.

[@warrenmorgan304]

I’m a trainer and let me share my experience, clients who are doing1/2 ass squats watch videos on people doing dragon squats and want to start training those progressions & think I’m upset when I tell them to stick with the freaking basics I been trying to show you. I don’t want to tell them they are weak and lacking foundational skills so I try to lead them down a path appropriate to them.

[@nicholasnj3778]

Imo just tell after we develop a good fundamental base then you can try other variations but for the next 4 months let’s stick with fundamentals

[@PianoPatterns123]

I have 4 different grappling dummies and I am learning BJJ with entirely videos on KZbin. I am building up muscle memory with these grappling dummies. I can strike the dummies from the upper guard position in the groin, in the solar flexes. I can elbow, knee, strike as hard as I can on these dummies. I can’t do that in the dojo. I am strictly into self defense and not into sport BJJ.

[@AlonzoCalPolyPomona]

Only Brazilians get mad 😂

[@Thecelestial1]

Thera no real pathway in Bjj so students don’t know what to expect at different levels, minus Gracie combatives. There’s just infinity moves and learn them and get bets whenever professor thinks we’re ready. I understand trusting your professor but being in the dark all the time we can’t help but search and discover. It shouldn’t be discouraged but why pay for a coach that doesn’t coach you?

[@martinjoshua5038]

Baha gracie baha haa

[@spaceman61]

I learn stuff online all the time

[@tededo]

The student has some trouble to execute the youtube move. I like telling em that the instructor of the video probably began using this move when he was blue belt. A decade later, he is now teaching it online. Be patient with the youtube moves you try to absorb.

[@pur3pk3r39]

Could be getting mad vecause you are trying to learn to fadt and probly need to focus on fundamentals? Just a thought

[@jamesmcjamesington631]

If you're asking in a MMA gym about Peruvian neckties, berimbolos, and 50/50, it's obvious why your teacher shouldn't help you....They're trash moves in the larger context if things (for 90% of people out there)

[@noiseworks]

maybe the student needs to perfect his schools curriculum before trying new tricks. he clearly doesn't trust his teacher. online is a stupid way to learn, especially when you see how compliant the demos are

[@trill2400]

Wrong

[@Jamoni1]

Online instructionals are a tremendous supplement to traditional teaching. The real question is, does your coach want you to fulfill your potential, or does he want to gatekeep and take your money.

[@timothycarey3883]

The right instructionals are a big help, about 80% are filler garbage. When my students ask about learning stuff online, i recommend they watch the best guys in the world compete and then look up the moves they are doing. When a fresh white or blue belt is working buggy chokes or wristlocks from a joe schmo who has a youtube channel or fanatics instructional im gonna steer them to some passing from a name competitor. The problem is most of coaches getting irritated is that guys are trying to learn fancy moves when they cant shrimp or do basic moves correctly. You cant do k guard or an imanari roll if you dont know how to invert.​@@Jamoni1