Why New Players Quit BDO - The New Player Experience in Black Desert

[@allalonesad7153]

10% luck 20% skill 15% concentrated power of salt 5% pleasure 50% pain from enhancing and a 100% reason to quit the game

[@Kakashi42069]

Lul Mike

[@FlashSonic542]

Underrated comment...

[@Oscar-bj9ut]

About the enhancing thing as a new player... How can I decrease the fail rate? I feel like it fails 80% of the time.

[@Kakashi42069]

The more you fail (higher your failstacks), the lower your chances to fail on the next attempt (theoretically). The chance amount that you may fail less depends on the next level of enhancement (i.e. +15 to PRI has a huge success rate but +14 to +15 is very very fucking hard, and so with a lot of fails saved up you will also very easily get PRI from +15 but may not get +15 from +14). The only way to overcome it is to just keep at it while hoping for the best and you will get it eventually. If it feels too rough, perhaps find a routine that works well at your gear and skill level then let gear enhancements come to you instead of you chasing it. It'll keep you away from getting annoyed/sad/mad

[@trolledyousilly220]

All AloneSad git gud

[@Kaiser8361N]

The character creation is absolutely phenomenal. I spent maybe an hour on creating my character. A few hours later I deleted the game.

[@Lunamere]

Lol I did the same thing.

[@Jack-zt1sr]

Yea same.

[@kingzalut9639]

Got exhausted nd bored at the end of char creation.Ditched the game.Then watched the video about endgame..wich to get to then for Sure! had been overkill exhausting 🤪😂👌🏼 (but ye.ive had my share of hours in front of char creators🤓)

[@lop90ful1]

Why do you think its a Good thing at all to give up before even starting

[@Ojauce]

lop90ful1 people who quit have such a bad time, they would rather do something else.. that’s how quitting works

[@AlexB_f]

I quitted because a videogame is for have fun, BDO looks like a second job.

[@chuckthamuthafukiennorris9623]

It's definetly for basement dwellers that have the time to play 24/7

[@_zarthix_]

Exactly

[@xblaze20o93]

Black desert: i am about to end this mans whole career!

[@mrbarefootbogan6254]

I'm a Scaffholder and I still have time to play MMOs. Just got my WAR upto lvl 80 in FFXIVs Shadowbringers, and I just hit lvl 53 on BDO. Plus I play ESO and Tekken 7 on and off.

[@sarahshwartze3659]

@@mrbarefootbogan6254 in how many weeks?

[@GuitarSlayer136]

People quit BDO because the opportunity cost of this game would give an economist a stroke.

[@GoldenCrow559]

Kojin i laughed at this

[@hayreddin2802]

That's really the biggest problem. The opportunity cost aspects are game breaking which means there isn't enough immersion for whatever reason.

[@ayojunya]

Forreal i didnt go into the game expecting all that

[@GBM6988]

and not dropping anymore cash on this game either.....It's a fucking joke. My friend was like dude you need to buy a 5th pet and a costume I was like nope and spent $26 on Guild Wars 2 both expansion packs.

[@RandomGuyScrollingDown445]

They'd get a heart attack once they see Blade and Soul.

[@Alexcentriq]

so you might say, bdo has a great foundation (graphics, combat) but literally no content that builds on that... basically a game that never left its beta stage

[@HildegardActual]

Feels like it, sort of.

[@mxfenixorion4837]

Lol there is tons of shit to do the f are you talking about?

[@novak5757]

@@mxfenixorion4837 tons of the same... crafting is diluted down so much that its not even neccesary. Fishing is so slow its turned into a afk activity... horse training is as simple as setting a path, turning on autofeed, and going out to dinner... the only activity that is hands on is bosses, pvp, and grinding

[@mxfenixorion4837]

Woha you have time to afk?...

[@novak5757]

@@mxfenixorion4837 time to afk? Thats a lil contradictory

[@eetsnada1831]

Step 1: Create ultimate Waifu Step 2: Activate 7-Day Value Pack Step 3: Never play BDO again

[@Johny9405]

I noticed in your argument that you made a point that life is all about sacrifice and how to "get good" at BDO, or any game for that matter, you need to sacrifice time over say having dinner with family, or going out with a friend. My friend, set your priorities straight. A game should not force you to give up your social life just to get better at it. You should be able to boot the game up, spend 1-2 hours on it and make good progress in those hours you spent on it. BDO is a game where you can spend HUNDREDS of hours and make little progress as a return on investment. That's why a lot of people quit this game. They just don't have that amount of TIME. Money, so long as you're working, you will always have. Time on the other hand is finite and you have to use it very wisely. Don't get me wrong. Black Desert Online is a beautiful game. It's got wonderful graphics, some of the coolest combat I've experienced in an MMO to date, and a vast amount of content that I haven't had the luxury to try out yet. However all of this is marred by the fact that BDO was built to be a money and time sink from the ground up. A game experience shouldn't be this exhausting.

[@royceh5801]

Underrated Comment. 👏

[@DutchHeathen]

I think that was kind of the point he was making in the video though - he wasn't saying 'in order to be good at games you have to give up your social life'. He was saying 'you can only do one thing at a time'.

[@kingharlaus43]

No, some games should take more time. These games aren’t for fucking socialites. Most mmos cater to players who play games as a lifestyle.

[@kingharlaus43]

Not saying the games good cause it looks like dogshit but my point is that these games are for classic nerds. The real nerds. Not social people who call themselves nerds because they have an xbox or a PlayStation

[@김윤희-h8j4w]

Actually bdo is an Asian game ( korean/한국), in that fact, the game was made With the wish To satisfied the Asian community. Indeed , the occidental and the Asian community do not have the same waiting for a game. Occidentals Players are waiting for something fun/soft while Asian needs something hard, where they can spend a lot of time (bashing/grinding).. that's Why bdo can sometime make peoples scared and flee. 😅

[@whiskizyo2067]

"there's alot of content the game has to offer" yeah, from grinding in a forest to grinding in a desert, infinitely. Tons of content :D

[@StarboyXL9]

XD

[@drimz2949]

Whiskiz Yo that was actually impresive. From tons of grinding just got 1% of EXP.... ulululu

[@wasteoftime8839]

Fishing , Cooking , Trading ,Grinding ,Node Wars,Processing,Alchemy.

[@saxwastaken]

Name ONE mmo where the entire gameplay isn't reduced to "go to x place with x creature and kill x of them" or "go to x to fetch x and bring it to me"

[@drimz2949]

zzebra ragnarok, seal online and other classic mmorpg where you can go wherever you will

[@negentropyagent7337]

When you spend more time creating your character than playing the actual game

[@TitanSubZero15]

Sounds like Skyrim and Dragon Age.

[@The_Yukki]

@KZbin Commentator You must've never played modded skyrim with ability to shape your characters face like you do in bdo

[@Walamonga1313]

@KZbin Commentator Ah a man of culture. I don't care about character looks cause most of the time they get covered anyways. And gameplay is the most important by far. I usually just use default characters when I can't be bothered to make one lmao

[@yugenmix]

I spent more time trying to get a name that wasn't taken

[@Lunamere]

Step 1: Create a character. Step 2: Play a couple minutes. Step 3: Uninstall

[@itspurplepaw6163]

Sounds like something I would do

[@OxOx_XoXo1]

Same xD

[@ChuckFinelyForever]

If you play a couple of minutes in this game then uninstall, you must have the attention span of a fortnite player

[@itspurplepaw6163]

@@ChuckFinelyForever I actually did the same for fartnite, literally installed it, spend a few minutes in the lobby, left and then let it rot for a month and uninstalled.

[@KevinShmelvin]

Step 3:game disconnects Step 4: uninstall after the 5th disconect

[@charlesdesbrosses9931]

How to make BDO awesome to me: 1- fix the terrible popping issue 2- change the gear grind system, no more failstacks and rng fest 3- add real pve content (so many ask for it, I don’t understand they don’t add this) 4- add an “offline farm” (afk farm without having to keep you PC on) 5- give your AI more than 10 IQ and actually fight back This game has so much potential but also so many dealbreakers that’s a real shame. Stop making so much new content and start fixing all these issues.

[@xHannibal]

Charles Desbrosses Why would they add pve, fix server lag, or balance pvp? They have good graphics and that seems to be good enough for them =D

[@charlesdesbrosses9931]

Well, other games will have better graphics eventually. ^^

[@timforsyth4435]

The popping issue can be fixed by using an SSD instead of HDD. The rest of it will never happen because cuckao doesn't care about the game enough to try to make it actually decent and not just a cash grab.

[@luismilan5518]

So you're going to ignore the p2w issues? Alright

[@irondisciple2984]

@@charlesdesbrosses9931 world of warcraft lmao never. But if wow had BDO graphics and combat system then i wouldn't look for another mmo.

[@andregeorge4969]

took me until level 57 to realize how in over my head i was to be competitive in BDO

[@tobehski]

meee too, i was also pissed at the quest and stuff and how I couldn't evoke my lahn I also was at lv 57 when I quited

[@nucklehead718]

Ditto

[@Danko18101993]

My main issue is gear. You dont feel any different at lvl 1 or lvl 60 the gear looks the same. The only way to feel like youve progressed visualy is to buy an armor outfit from the shop. Imagine T12 gear in WoW looking like the 1st chainmail you start with and the only way to get the original look is to pay for it....

[@StormJunkies]

?? all gear looks different not sur what game ur playing...

[@Hopelissly]

@@StormJunkies all gear does look the same. My level 58 dark night has looked the same since she was lvl 1.

[@killerv135]

Hopelissly I get what you're saying.

[@brca9585]

@@Hopelissly At least DK green gear looks dope, have u played other classes? lmao, they look like shit. U gotta buy at least 1-2 costumes to not get bored of the look.

[@senjusan6359]

@@Hopelissly Lol, maybe first buy new armor and than complain

[@rasmie8858]

Without mincing words, it's against manners to be a newbie in BDO. Grinding at a profitable spot is neigh impossible because one thing "veteran" players value the most in PvE is their holy mob rotations. Once you violate it, they will PK you. If you are in "their spot" when they arrive on the red carpet, they will PK you. If you manage to PK them, they will PK you when they come back in larger numbers. If you are tenacious and keep coming back, they will shame you on world chat and label you as a karma bomber. The game is very elitist. You can't even find many guilds that are worth a damn without meeting their mid-high gear requirements, and asking for help in server chat is basically a social suicide. The way this game works and the way the "veteran" community tends to enforce their own made up rules on new players is a major turn off for anyone who's trying to get invested in it. I certainly tried, I went all the way up to TRI boss gears in a span of about 2 months, only to be met with exorbitant amount of grinding and preparations and literal waste of life when all that work is gone in a matter of minutes because I dared to venture into TET territory so I have a better chance defending myself against "veteran" players who have spent way more time than I have.

[@dharmdevil]

that's what happen when a game is GEAR DEPENDENT. I've played so many mmorpgs but nothing as gear dependent as this game. aside from gear, nothing can make your character unique, no stat builds, no other things you can do on your character to give you edge, aside from having more RS and gear stomp anyone. that's the downfall of this what supposed to be a great game. it looks deep in the surface, but it's just a shallow game.

[@peterpawn1352]

its an asian game. timeinvestment will always play a big role. dont blame the game for you not beeing knowledgeable enough about the genre

[@cereilsilvaire9605]

Agreed, the game is annoyingly broken when it comes to gears, people keeps saying that its for the so called "skilled" but I'd digress, its laughable that they keep insisting its "skill" heavy when its not and its mostly just comes down to gears.

[@accelerator8558]

Agree, i always try to look a spot far away from people so can do me own stuff alone and some asshole come ou of nowhere and tell me to leave because is his spot and them just kill me when i am leaving soo many times dealing whit that shit, i die in 2-3 hits because i dont even have a gear to defent meself who the fuck think this is funny, they guy who made this broke ass system should by nailed to a Cross and burn that Cross while he is still alive

[@hayreddin2802]

That's the in game etiquette. You're supposed to join a guild so you can fight for the spot. That's the point of the shiny graphics and combat.

[@professoroak1920]

I remember I spent like 2 weeks grinding up 400M silver. couple hours of pure grind everyday. then I went to the markets and realized it was all for nothing because I still couldn't buy shit

[@hunterperkins567]

Professor Oak bro u can get 400m in like 5hrs

[@professoroak1920]

@@hunterperkins567 ok, so on a brand new account, with extremely limited knowledge of the game, you're telling me you could get 400M in 5 hours? sounds like some bullshit to me

[@Jay-eb5mh]

Professor Oak nowadays yea pretty easily

[@thegreatpc5762]

@jay how ?

[@iEerie]

Could just grind not for money but for gear though. Saves a lot more money and time than when you only grind for silver

[@ultimaT]

There is nothing to do if you hate pvp

[@demhouser]

ultimaT life skills

[@BlueBD]

No reason for lifeskills without good PvE-coop content. Which BDO has next to none off. No dungeons, No raids, No reason to be merchants(largely superficial) Massive levels of inflation to already existing markets makes reworks near impossible. Just fields and fields literally clogged with hp bars to murder Which also take away form the over all experience. Instead of a meaningful over-world with smart enemy placement and things to explore, its Literally so choke full of useless trash that it makes going from town to town rather annoying and rather pointless in the distance. You either run past long stretch's of nothing or even longer stretches of so many trash mods it's amazing how the humans have not been overrun with literal armies waiting in the farmlands around towns. There is nothing to do but Grind with no purpose. I hate PvP in MMO's i play MMO's for PvE and Community. which BDO really has none off. It essentially Solo-with other people just so you can level for PvP. There is no need anything outside of PvP in this game. this it might aswell be Absolver. If you don't know what Absolver is Look it up. BDO might aswell follow that content. You PvE to get skills for PvP. What they do different(aside from the core differences in gameplay) is Absolver is Small and focused in its purpose with legitimate challenging AI that will beat you for the slightest mistake in your form. BDO is Massive with no reason for being so with such as skewed power scaling that it takes you being one-man-army trash just to get levels.

[@2amProFilms]

There is nothing to do if you LOVE pvp either - Node wars are boring PA fests, and sieges are the exact same thing. - Red battlefield is a joke and has been for over a year, still no ranking system or GS capped instance based battlegrounds - Still no 5v5 or 3v3 or 2v2 or 1v1 battlegrounds that anyone can que for publicly - Open world PVP is a karma bombers wet dream as players are PUNISHED for open world pvp - No rewards or meaning to GvG open world fights - No trade bounty system which could provide for INTENSE guild vs guild fights There is just no fun/meaningful PVP what so ever in this game, sure when node wars 1st came out and red battlefield 1st came out they were fun for a few months but almost 2 years running they are just boring, literally the SAME thing every time.

[@LoctisKravei]

You dont need a great graphics to have a great game, you just need to have the core aspect of MMOs to have a great game. and for me that is ROLE-PLAY. meeting different people, helping each other, doing guild events, doing raids with guildies or joining public raids getting wiped bcoz someone fvcked up, talking nonsense in guild chat or just chill in town helping newbs. Gold old days. Hayy. I just remember back when TERA just Launch. Voice comms didnt exist back then. Haha so when the Guild leader call for a meeting in a certain town or map, everyone must go there to know what the meeting is for. and some members do crazy things for a little laugh when it gets to serious. Haha little things like that makes good memories.

[@witchy4486]

Yep, I prefer pvp as a side to PVE...but what little pve there is, only leads you to pvp. Which is a shame, because the life skill system is very well designed, and had so much potential.

[@Kuuko]

I just got sick of the enhancement system and quit the game, it's ridiculous

[@thesupremeweeb5291]

That's just a tool to get you into S and M,S is Kakao games and M is you

[@AuliaRahman]

Kuuko true. Fail stack simulator

[@anon2036]

why I quit bdo: lvl 1 - starting armor: I look like a hobo Lvl 56 - tri grunil armor: I look like a hobo lvl 60 - boss gear : I look like a hobo dressed as a tree

[@icecreaman805]

With the sale going on, people are selling a lot of costumes for silver. Now you won't look like a hobo, but actually feel like one!

[@andira4245]

you can buy costume from cm, lol. just wait until the costume get discount and po it.

[@anon2036]

@@andira4245 SEA server. I've had a PO for Goyen since last november. Somedays I just burn through my energy spamming server chat. Buying costume from cm is a lie. Same shit with buying value pack via cm. Whales don't exist in Oceana, we're either to poor or too smart for that crap.

[@marsi6101]

Roman Cabalum Or you can wait for the event that gives free costume and crafting the costume by yourself and PO tailoring coupon since many people list tailoring coupon on cm or you can use Serendian soldier outfit so that you wont look like a hobo ;)

[@andyest5687]

@@anon2036 Man I recommend you wait for a costume sale then PO for at least a week since peeps buy em in discounted price and sell em for max

[@Fairefacts]

For me personally the reasoning was pretty simple. This game is HIGH MAINTENANCE. Which is to say that in order to really keep everything you've built with your empire running smoothly you're pretty much required to log in regularly each day, which just doesn't work for a lot of people with other things going on. For me it felt like juggling trying to keep it all going as well as actually progress in the game. It worked for a few weeks but after a while I just sort of questioned why I was bothering as it felt like a second job keeping things going, the combat had it's moments but wasn't worth all the other tedium. Most F2P games or even some other B2P games incentive daily logins but they do not demand your time investment to nearly the same degree. I think this is probably a bigger reason for people leaving than anything else. It's just not a sustainable enterprise for most people.

[@kyotheman69]

unlike mobile game you can just jump in, do bit of daily's and then continue on the rest of your day, or if its single player game you can play and drop it at anytime.

[@mezmerya5130]

nah it's easier. you get full tri boss in 2 month and the cost of further progression is too high. also there is no real progression after 60, and 60 is easy af. there is a factor of choosing clunky class not really suitable for beginner too, like if wouldnt reroll my valk into dk i wouldve left in few weeks. valk is bae, but i feel like im literally grinding with CAT bulldozer when playing her.

[@donttalktome9838]

Awesome video but because of this video now i know there is nothing else after lvl 56 so i'm also leaving BDO.

[@mydeathwish001]

Dont Talk To Me yeah that is what made me really sad

[@mydeathwish001]

What do you recommend playing? I am so sick of guild wars and I am tired of playing world of Warcraft

[@phantomlink1219]

@Galactic Banana I want a game with good content. Not click shoot and run

[@drimz2949]

tracy boyd Tera Online dude it is casual game FPS system and playable in XBOX or PS4 or PC

[@lockofmetal8894]

@@drimz2949 Tera online? LOL. I think he was looking for recommendation of games to play, not for more bad garbage. Tera is even worse than BDO just in general. Phantom, it all depends on what you wanna play. If you don't want raids to be your only endgame, like in ffxiv or Wow, theres ESO. Very pvp focused game, but its pretty good. Other than that, not much on the market atm.

[@Nightstick24]

I couldn't agree more with the points you made. I myself am a new player having just started a week ago. I was absolutely loving the game, the graphics are awesome, the combat is just an utter masterpiece - it's a true joy to fight monsters, even the grinding was fun. I loved the speed at which you leveled. Then you hit the 50's and it slows so much, then you hit 56 and you slow immensely, then you go beyond and it's an hour to get 2%. Your gear at the beginning is easy to upgrade and feels powerful, the later you get the smaller the gap between your stats and everything else's get. The pvp... Pvp is fun, cool, I like the idea of open world pvp, but I think they'd keep 1000x more people if they restricted it. I myself nearly quit a few days ago. I'd just hit 56 and got my awakening. I managed to get lucky and stumble into a bunch of silver, so I upgraded my full Grunil to Pri and made it ultimate, I got all my weapons to Pri or Duo and Ultimate, combine that with my cool new awakening abilities I was feeling pretty awesome, like I was the king of the world. Then I went out to Sausans with a few friends in a new guild I'd started to do a guild mission of killing 2500 of them. We were going along just fine mowing through them when all of a sudden some guild declares war on us and a guy playing a Wizard in Desert Camouflage runs over and freezes all of us in place, then proceeds to stun lock us for over 30 seconds sitting there laughing at us before one-hitting us. We're confused and a bit upset that we died without even being able to think about putting up a fight. We go back, same guy runs over out of nowhere and insta slaughters us. Go back again, this time we're annoyed, but we know he's likely going to come again so we're waiting for him. Someone yells that they saw him, in he comes again to freeze and insta-kill us again, but I use the invincibility from teleport to dodge it and manage to hit him with my own stun. My friends all break out of the freeze and run over to give him a taste of his own medicine and stun lock him. And we do. For a good minute. Then we die in one ability. With five of us beating on him for a good minute he didn't even take 10% damage, he was harder than any boss we'd ever faced. We were kind of scratching our heads wondering what on earth happened and only later learned that he was a returning player known for pvping new people. The guy was soft-capped with full PEN everything, even if we had ten more people there we didn't stand a chance. Every time we returned he'd wipe us out instantly then go off to other areas around Sausan to wipe them out, server chat in Olvia was filled with people complaining about the guy. Tried hopping servers and died to a Wizard in Desert Camo, I think it was the same guy. We ended up having to just give up on the mission because we died every time we went there and it took too long to run back there, get 20 kills, die, and repeat to get the 2500 in the time limit. That knocked the wind right out of our sails and we all quit for the day. It's hard to come back from being utterly crushed like that. And if that was just one time I could put it off as me being unlucky, but if I every run into other people who want to kill me I'm dead. I can't even run away because they're faster than me. I've been killed by a dozen or so different people without even being able to put up a fight, and it doesn't help that randomly I'll be put into a duel with someone even though I hit decline so they can just freely kill me. I thought I had pretty decent gear, but AP/DP is such an insurmountable absolute that I can't even put up a fight, not to mention how everyone has so many knockdowns and stuns and freezes, but nothing to break free of them. When you combine all that with the fact that you pretty need to blow hundreds on their cash shop to be able to play the game, it's hard to stay. It's a game you have to BUY in the first place, then they make you buy "Value Packs" or else you might as well not even play with that ridiculous tax, then on top of that stuff drops so much loot that pets are an absolute must, and the cash shop outfits give crazy buffs that are needed if you want to be competitive at all. Then inventory expansion and weight limit. And that's just the one-time purchases, not even getting into the consumables that you need to reach endgame. If you want to be competitive be ready to drop $300 on the game, on top of the actual cost of the game. And as if that wasn't enough, there isn't even an endgame to play in BDO. There's literally only grinding. There aren't the endgame boss battles or dungeons or battlefields that other games have that give you content at the very end, it's just more grinding or curb-stomping new players. BDO is very afk-friendly, which is cool, but unfortunately because of that if you're NOT afking you're losing. I'm playing a video game because I want to *play,* not because I think my computer needs a workout and I can run this forever. There's only so far amazing combat and good graphics can carry a game; it's endgame is lame, underwhelming, and so min-max it's impossible to enjoy; the lifeskills are all horrifically boring, it's hit a button and sit there for ten hours while you do literally nothing and make sure to buy the cash shop outfit or you might as well not do it; the pvp is entirely stat based, skill doesn't even play a part until you're very similar stats, and even then it depends mostly on the class matchup and not actual skill; and the whole game is geared to make you fork over that $300 to have a hope at becoming relevant in the foreseeable future.

[@MrYK-]

Is this worth getting or should I skip this and go for another mmorpg

[@Fade_ToBlack]

- YK - it’s deffo worth it, just, know what you’re getting into when it comes to endgame.

[@Fade_ToBlack]

Night Stick THIS. This comment right here, is it. This sums all my issues with the game up fucking PERFECTLY.

[@albertohernandez3487]

SUBJECT M01 are you 56 now?

[@disparuetderetour5230]

we had kind of the same experience, some days ago. With a friend from the guild, we were at the blood wolves, trying to finish a guild quest and multiple times, a wizard comes in and kills us. I confronted him in private, asking him why the hell would he do that. He answered by saying that I should have messaged him before give/pay him his due or something like that. He was saying it was HIS spot.... The guy was clearly at TET/PEN full and a fancy skin.... We were lvl55.

[@SimilakChild]

1. Too many elitists 2. The forum community seems to be driven by a reputation system, if you left feedback or asked a question and your reputation is low they will ignore you or flame you 3. The game is Pay2Win and Pay2Swim, the game used to be B2P with no P2W when it first came out, but obviously the dev team lied and changed things up 4. Grindy. I never had a problem with the grind aspect, but when everyone is fighting over the catfish and sausans spawns, theres just not enough good places to train at

[@von6413]

I find that so ridiculous... how could they make a pay 2 play game, pay to win...

[@lockofmetal8894]

I dont mind the mobgrind that much, because i love the combat system. Playing a Wizard, its better than sex man. I remember leaving the game, no other combat system has ever satisfied me as much as BDO did. But it had ALOT of flaws beyond the ones you mention. Biggest one being that you need to be online for shit to progress and since you need your shit to progress, you need to keep your PC running 24/7. Lunatix it's not p2p. Its b2p. Never been p2p. But they def have ALOT of p2w. But the reason its p2w is because they make enchanting so punishing. Hell they make every single aspect of the game a fucking hell, unless you paaaay. When you buy shit with your money and you use the items, the items you bought makes it feel like a normal mmorpg. They are like any eastern mmo, they make the game feel awfull, so you pay, or leave.

[@dooley2981]

i only started playing bdo last week, already blown up a power supply -.-

[@de_sodavibe9822]

Which server you are playing? It depend. I play on SEA server. I do ask alot, and players will help by answering some questions even in PM.

[@RuroMylow]

So what do people get that originally bought the game? That would piss me off spending money on a game for it to be free soon after

[@hamppuhannu]

You forgot the community, it's very toxic. Some people just yell straight at you if you ask anything from channel chat even if you tell you tried to google it. ESO and Warframe got much better community if you want to go and view an example yourself.

[@taeju01]

I agree with you, so now I'm just gonna ignore the channel chat. I won't let people disturb my gaming experience tbh XD

[@eddiem4638]

Clem

[@ShaynaLynn]

Grakata!

[@nonsense4545]

here too. when i ask questions they say that . watch youtubes . wtf . you saying ? !! im end game player top geared . suddenly quitting .

[@coldseid]

I use two chat tabs one for global and one for guild and instance. I can’t stand seeing world chat

[@Proxi_Ex]

What I'm missing in bdo is the social aspect. Server chat is normally dead and if you aren't super involved with your guild you just play this game solo all the time. Since there are no raids or even dungeons to do with other players.

[@LessFluff]

Get a Pvp guild :> a lot of stuff to do and theres a few group farm spots but sadly all endgame

[@pasteldreams5413]

Don't join a PvP guild, they're toxic as fuck. Idk wtf the guy above me is on, especially considering it sounds like you want a group of friends to just grind and chill with. I recommend joining a laid-back social guild. You're bound to meet some cool people in one of those.

[@ohyeah8224]

Are you on PC? Console chat doesn't ever shut da hell up lol

[@Proxi_Ex]

@@ohyeah8224 yup.. the only chat thats going is the payed chat.. but only for trading..

[@ivansalcedo2290]

Black Desert's PVE aspects are secondary to the Real Money Makers, The PvP/Guild Communists, or that Occassional PK who preys on weak people and tells them to either get on their level or Uninstall, then there are Cosmetic Divas who spend more money Creating the perfect pair of Ass and Tits for Virtual Currency. As long as Top Dollar Top Dog has Money to Spend, They have minimal Care for The Solo Players. As is there are "Raids" in the form of NPC's you can Assist defeating Random Enemies for Exchange Items. There are World Bosses that Spawn On Certain Days, Certain Hours, or for Certain Events. There is last but not least Summon Items you can Gather and Assemble or Obtain as Scrolls/Books To Summon a Field Boss for a Party of Up to 5 People if i'm not mistaken.

[@costcoemployee6007]

Beautiful game and loved exploring the world. Action is fluid and fun. Had a great time until I hit lvl 50ish. Then the asshats started popping up. "Leave or i PK you...." . Now I can't even fight monsters around my level without being killed for no reason. As a new player this was extremely unfair since well...I cant even defend myself. So what's the point of playing a game where you just get pk'd for just leveling? I'd understand if they were around my lvl but getting bullied by people who 1 tapped me everytime is not an enjoyable experience. And dont get me started on the p2w wall.

[@ParadoX-os]

@carl carlson and that's the reason why the game is dead. Because it locks you behind a p2w wall, then tells you to level up and the only way to do that is by grinding, but then when you try to do that after 50 anyone who thinks they own a farming spot can PK you, because they are either in a party with other people or they just have better gear than you, because they used real money to get stronger than they should be at your level. Then once you manage to reach "end game" after that garbage system of non stop boring grinding, you have literally no end game content to justify what you needed to do to get there, unless you are interested in PvP, which if you are, again good luck fighting people who have used money on the game. BDO is the biggest wasted potential of any MMO out there. Looks fantastic, has great combat mechanics and effects, the open world is very beautiful and immersive...and sadly that's where the good stuff about the game ends.

[@ParadoX-os]

My condolences lol

[@KenjaTimu]

Never play an Asian MMO (tm). Did your parents teach you nothing?

[@matthewellis6516]

You wouldn't of lasted a hour in ultima online with a pussy attitude like that

[@percival7358]

P2w????? Its called pay to get shit done faster you lazy peon

[@mickel1470]

100 percent nailed why I'm no longer with this game. Hundreds of dollars later in glad I got out when I did. All the guides of yours were really helpful while I was playing tho. Best of luck in the future

[@Heartlessangel350]

why did you sink 100s into the game? anyone would've told you there was no benefit whatsoever in doing so. been playing the game since NA alpha never once bought anything on the cash shop cause I felt I needed to buy it, only cause of the cosmetics and leisure features.

[@reika542]

+Heartlessangel350 A lot of the items sold in the pearl shop look and seem like pay to win items to a lot of the playerbase which one can argue they can be (i.e. item slot increase, weight increase and certain outfits) all of which could sum up to 100s of dollars being put into the game. It is pretty much a MUST to own pets, a lot of item slots, increased weight and these certain outfits such as the maid outfit for AFK processing if you do plan to grind for a long long time either being afk or active.

[@mickel1470]

Heartlessangel350 Outside of pets it was all for aesthetic stuff. It's pretty absurd that they lock every nest function behind the cash shop, but that's neither here nor there. I've always had a lot of disposable income to throw st games

[@Heartlessangel350]

Chinala the only thing that is widely considered p2w is the pets and even that is bare bones, there are events and acheivements that get you pets if you are a loyal player not to mention you can snipe them off the market. Weight, inv slots can also be bought with loyalties and is also widely known to buy those because everything else is pretty much useless in the L shop. I have 1 char that has all the weight increase from the L shop and it is a very decent amount. Alot of cash shop items can be either earned thru achievements/events (pets maids brands) or bought off the MP (something that ALOT of people thought it was going to make the game p2w back in the day, but it did not and now people that dont want to spend more money have access to pearl items)

[@mickel1470]

You make it sound as if a lot of the items people sell on the market place that are aesthetic are often or even half of the time in steady supply. That's not the case. I spent about a month plugging for a certain set of armor only to cave and buy the item on the last day before it was discontinued. Even in other cases, you're going to find folks plugging in chat because the particular set for their particular class isn't in stock. Given how relatively cheap outfit pieces become due to the price regulations it often means you're going to be competing against other folks for the item anytime someone posts saying the item is going up for sale. There are so many factors involving timing and chance that you may as well just buy the outfit yourself and save yourself a great deal of frustration. I did this for several seasonal sets and even when it came to items for my horse. Bdo gives you enough cash shop items (such as the weight increase and what have you) to give you a taste. They want to instill a sense of appreciation in you for these items because they know that will often grow into a sense of need over time. A need that will only be met through buying more from the shop. Tl;DR: My OP was never intended to suggest or point out how much money the game had swindled out of me. I've spent greater sums in wow,gw2 and other korean mmo's over the course of my play time. That said, I for sure would have ended up spending way more by the end if I didn't get outta Black Desert when I did.

[@visoroverwatch3247]

Average BDO Veterans have 570 GS. I can barely keep up and I play everyday. Impossible for New players or People who can't play for hours.

[@nzmanhdee6246]

Just buy silver

[@Mezha07]

It's a marathon not a sprint you don't have to keep up to feel like your gaming time was worth anything truth be told veteran players quit BDO oftenly for like a few months or even a year the thing is BDO rewards dedication and loyalty you could leave for a year amd when you comeback you'll return as if all that time didn't go to waste you could farm current boss gear rn and wait for a year then comeback and see that you can still dish out the same damage as updated sets does trtb be told it happened to me already you don't have to play everyday if you don't feel like it cause i play lots of other games to but i keep coming back because it rewards me for coming back and totally doesn't slap me in the face that all those times were wasted grinding, overall it's one of my faves

[@Walamonga1313]

@@nzmanhdee6246 Buy? With real money? Cause if that's so then yikes

[@incitex3035]

@@Mezha07 When you stop playing just log in everyday so atleast you get the rewards. Half the gold you miss out on when you're gone is from events.

[@six2make4]

I quit because of the grind... It's not challenging, not fun and all around a waste of time. Why I'm also pissed that WoW have shifted their focus towards world quests instead of actual quests, raiding and PvP. I want to play a game, not making mental comparisons to how it felt like working in a grocery store.

[@BeNice108]

Exactly why I refused to play Legion. It successfully made me quit WoW. I didn't like the open world content at any max level to begin with, always felt like a chore. In a game with some of the best instanced mechanics you'd think they'd try to add a hint of that to the open world. Grinding-your-ass-off + RNG, no thanks.

[@NoobGamer-di1dw]

Matthew Goodfriend Lol legion was no where near the grind classic and bc were so you joined wow in wrath or later I assume?

[@TwistyMAD]

​@@BeNice108 enjoy your themepark then bud. BDO's not for you

[@BeNice108]

@@NoobGamer-di1dw I did join during Wrath. It's not even the grind alone I dislike tho but that's a rant for another time.

[@BeNice108]

@@TwistyMAD Oh how I will. I've already discover what hot trash BDO is for a PvEr so I've already moved on.

[@kupacmac]

I remember a time when "Korean grinder" was a derogatory term used to describe these types of MMOs. Seems it still applies.

[@StarboyXL9]

"Korean meat grinder" would be more accurate.

[@danielscutaru6682]

Because Korean don't know to make games fun, but only grindy

[@erickmunizrocco]

They are like masochistic people. They like the suffering instead of fun. Only they can make something that should be fun looks like torture.

[@kongki7563]

@@erickmunizrocco lol

[@tonycookson8809]

It's an mmo they are grindy. Did you ever play WoW

[@Piface2099]

nah all Asian MMOs are this way; its because they all tend to be heavily PvP focused. I guess they are just acting out in games what they've been trained in hyper-competitive school systems

[@Iceyicez]

@@Piface2099 Which is why I love it. Kind of like the Anime Kings Glory, and tbh I see a lot of references to the new Netflix version on the mmo. So it's really funny seeing all the western noobs complain lmao.

[@coolflare2001]

You forgot to add that BDO is a glorified single player game... there isn't much community aspect to the game. There is also too much P2W aspects to stay competitive. Also, to not aesthetically look like a hobo at end-game, its necessary to buy pearl shop outfits.

[@taki4707]

Coolflare you can get outfits on marketplace, P2W is defined to where you can directly win by cash shop, thing is, you can’t win at BDO. There is no level cap aside from the softcaps through out the game. I think there Is definitely an aspect in the pearl shop that gives an advantage to players who are willing to pay, but those advantages still allow for the player to work hard for that so called win. Just because you have artisan memories doesn’t mean you will get PEN any quicker than an active enhancer, it’s all to chance and most likely, you are only saving silver by spending less fragments. Yes you can buy pets and gain silver, but you still have to work to get to softcap. Just because you have pets, doesn’t mean you can automatically win the game. It takes work. Now there is the argument that pets are pay to win because you gain a lot more silver from grinding, and BDO is economy based, you need silver for everything. This is true, without pets you simply cannot make as much money as the player with max pets while grinding when you manual loot, considering you can also get free pets from events and MP, you can’t count it as p2w, but a soft convenience hard pay option. A free to play player has the same opportunity to become strong like a “p2w” player, just that you have to actually try and the “p2w” player has the easy silver income.

[@shanechappell7510]

play to win yes but you cant paytowin in this there aint much of the tradeing pretty much useless saying its p2w

[@evolmonk9358]

people who cash can get tet armor way faster than people who doesnt cash thats the truth. thats 4x more chance to upgrade compare to regular 1 = 1 dura. and full tet achieve all those extra money left can be thrown at accessories. i've seen it happen where my friend drops like 200-300$ per paycheck he hit softcap in 5 months where as our original friend whos been playing for 1 1/2 years are only around soft cap gs because they dont p2w. this foo has so much extra money that he got tet ogre and tet crecent i can even link his youtube on here. this game revolves around money and with real $ and value pack saving you huge money you have a huge advantage on none cashers.

[@ValorousDefined]

BDO Just attracted the worst possible community of players, oppressed weeaboo manchilds, who complain about every single fucking thing any chance they get. Look at the profile pictures in the comments here, 80% are anime shit. I rest my case. Weeaboos are fucking toxic and killed the game. Go cuddle your fucking body pillows

[@FootyEditsShorts]

Perfect comment thank you...

[@billkarp]

Sorry but more content? You mean grind the same mobs endlessly for months till you switch to new mobs? Bdo has the worst "content" in any MMO.

[@Xiargon]

lol evey mmo you do the same ting over and over and over so just pick the mmo you like doing things in

[@rahmatumar1156]

The thing is the only to leveled up on this game is by endless grinding. side quest only gives you item. i think they should give an alternative to gain exp by side quest so grinding become less tiring

[@RandomGuyScrollingDown445]

@@Xiargon At least ESO has decent quests and a storyline.

[@sogandik]

Mmo is doing same thing over and over .. erp and rp is what makes it interesting ... 8 berserker on 1 small tamer .. let your mind run wild.. ha ha ha

[@blanahaha]

The hate on mob grinding is something that only comes up with BDO. Every asain mmo ever is grind mobs for hours or pvp. It's only western developed mmos like wow and everquest that was focused on farming dungeons and raiding.

[@ZiggyWhiskerz]

I quit waaaay early cuz I have no idea what I'm doing. It doesn't really teach you all you need or want to know and the UI is extremely difficult to use. And the graphics are annoying. There's this shimmery foggy film everywhere.

[@adityanoviant8180]

I hate ui ux in bdo😡😡

[@huffhuff4110]

Yes it does

[@nobodycares1134]

It's not really that hard, I didn't like it at first too, but all you have to do if you get stuck is go to quests and re click on the one you was doing. If you spend a little bit looking through the ui to see what options there are you sort of get the hang of it. Doing this made me love the game as I understood it more Also graphics wise you can change everything in settings I turn motionblur and such off as it makes me feel nausiating. I also had to brighten my game as my monitor nighttimes looked pitch black @~@

[@elzer91]

I am half a year into the game with 420 RS (not high, but given my RL commitments, it was the best I can get), maxed out inventory slots because I totally love doing fishing, and with that RS I do mostly PVE and also some PVP on the side (I get to win some, but mostly get stomped) and biggest thing I learned was to manage expectations. What I found was that many newbies (especially the ones who are intent on not buying a single thing off the pearl shop) quit for a simple reason : they got too ambitious for their own good and subsequently, got burned out within the first 3 months when they realize that the system is not set up the way they want it to be. There's a ton of things to do in the game aside from trying to keep up with whales while having less resources, rushing max level, getting TET/PEN boss gears (which WILL take a lot of time and frustration, even more so for "F2P/Not so lucky players etc") and/or to become "TOP PVP-er", but given how past MMOs operate, it's hard to blame them for taking this mentality to BDO as well. Life skills themselves are in and of themselves a grind because you need silvers, LOTS of em (especially if you have a lousy luck track record) and you better have a working system of income to bring in the dough which requires a much different style of play than "I just want to do dungeons/raids/slice and dice everything in my way while making good money off of it". That being said, every game has it's pro and con. I myself am at that point where I could be considered to have "burnt out" on the game. It demands too much of my time and I need a better purpose for progression, and the "end game" of BDO such as the gear treadmill (most of the reason is for PVP) and consistent grinding for levels/money no longer provides me enough motivation to continue going on and I'm betting the same goes/went for not all, but a decent number of people as well. My progression has been stagnant for the past month as I no longer leave my computer on overnight for processing/afk fishing anymore, neither did I went to arena/NW for practice/engage in world boss hunting etc for a long time now and I would most likely have quit completely if it wasn't for the fact that I like my character, the graphics and the really great combat system. BDO is just a very different kind of MMO from the many conventional ones out there and like many things, you either love it or you don't. If you start the game and realized within the first 1-3 months that it isn't for you, just make your exit and play something else while waiting for the next MMO.

[@Kakashi42069]

Absolutely agree with you my dude. It is completely natural to get burnt out too, and that's why it's never a bad thing to put the game on hold and play something else then come back in the future. If anything, if you're burnt out from combat ingame, then doing other things like focusing on just getting CP up or doing main storyline quests or life skills will "reset"/"refresh" yourself to where you're less burnt out. But yea if anything, take a little time off and come back. Are you on NA and do you have a guild?

[@elzer91]

A time out is definitely what I need right now. I am on NA and recently left my semi-war guild for reasons I've stated.

[@Kakashi42069]

@OP if you wanna come back and get a good daily guild pay plus buffs with some dueling on the side pm me man

[@iller3]

less than 450 renown is still technically "In the tutorial" stage. You may think you learned a lot about the game, but you're still only at the foot of the Summit and can't even comprehend what's over the next ridge

[@kyotheman69]

if grind is that bad, you're just wasting your time, games are meant to be fun not a chore

[@vegetableman3911]

Damn I’m lvl 21 and thought I was getting good.

[@msfortuknit]

I'm a new player and there is so so much to do, including housing and rp which are pretty much my jam, so I don't think I'm going anywhere. The hardest thing for me was the amount of movement and how fast pace everything is. I adjusted the setting and gave it a few days and was in! :) I see the points that you are making though. People want everything now. As always thanks for this!!

[@Garthock]

If it just had a normal gear system, I’d still be playing even with the p2w and grinding. The gear system is just so convoluted and frankly boring.

[@ivanmartinez714]

You explaining how if you get a 10 sec advantage on a pro player and they just kill you in a couple moves reminds me about that episode from SAO were bandits attack Kirito only for them to find out that all their dmg together isn't even high enough than Kirito's Hp regen per sec

[@PureRandumosity]

Ugh I had high hopes for this game, beautiful graphics and fluid combat. Why hasnt the style been copied by now? It's been praised so hard in these two fields yet no other company has come out with anything close. I hope some are in the development, 2018 is looking stale for new mmos

[@fghfghggffghv612]

Bcoz noone wana play that shit action combat style mmorpg plus has no endgame content plus its a p2w grindfuckfest rngesus piece of overrated shit.

[@Sweet7Montana]

@@fghfghggffghv612 What he said, but a little bit cleaner: The graphics and combat were the main focus, but the core aspects of mmo aren't fully functional here. No good pve activities you grind for and grind in end game. Pvp isn't rewarding as you think. And the upgrade system is not wrong, just horribly punishing.

[@_zealos_8213]

Phantasy Star Online 2 is pretty neato

[@srirachainthebowl]

@@_zealos_8213 Truly, I've been playing the game since 2015, PSO2 is 100% not p2w and quite opposite of BDO since PSO2 are more focused on pve rather than pvp.

[@_zealos_8213]

@@srirachainthebowl It's such a good game! I've been recently told it's actually being brought over to the West, is this true? (I kinda don't want it to be, or else bye bye sega account)

[@jedadiahtucker2132]

the enhancing system is what finnaly did me in. after 2 yrs i just had enuf. spent weeks building up fail stacks, got my stuff and blew it all up. for the gaziionth time i spent weeks and weeks of saving money getting base accesorys and ended up broke and no gear. ive tryied tet about 20 times failed every one. screw this. love the combat, love the look love the classes but the upgrades can just F off.

[@tonak4949]

thats why you dont try to enhance the gear you are currently wearing above DUO / TRI... so you can go back to grinding after you fail your TRI / TET trys....

[@jedadiahtucker2132]

what i ment was no gear that i wanted, i didnt use the acc i currently have equipped. i got sucked back in to BDO by a friend and just went through all this again. my ranger has had a duo bronze dagger forever. with the returning i had a 50 valks, i thought why not get her that tri finally. i finally got it but it took me 2 weekends and 30ish trys just to get tri, on a freaking green weapon. i now have 4 50 fs, a 77, 2 45's and a 33, never mind all the black stones and gear repairs i had to do repeatedly going back to duo. this system sucks.

[@ShiroNeko_x1]

yeah, get always an extra TET ogre ring, TET basilisk, 2x TET Tungrads and 2x TET crescent in your inventory, so in case you break the main ones you can just switch to your backup jewels, easy right ??

[@GBM6988]

@@tonak4949 Yeah fuck that been there done that and now finished. 13 straight hours trying to get my awakening from pri back to tri where it was....13hrs!

[@GBM6988]

@@jedadiahtucker2132 Damn right it sucks!

[@Mezchano]

I'd say Black Desert much like any MMO is about finding your niche and not being discouraged by players that have a 5 year headstart.

[@pvpape6506]

This

[@shps8609]

Couldnt agree more. And then you have to move past the mindset that some people have that you're "Competing" with those 5year vets. Just learn what you enjoy about the game and play it that way!

[@nanah3638]

Thank you!

[@gearzdesign]

I think the term "endgame" is becoming too broad of term, specifically in the case of BDO, as there's no traditional "endgame" like say, "wow" or "FFXIV". Most people quit BDO because of few things: 1. how the enchanting system works, frankly it's the worst system ever conceived for a MMO. 2. There's no traditional raids/parties or real "endgame" much like other MMO's. 3. It's a korean MMO with endless grind, and even despite all the grind, you're still locked behind RNG based progression and you're still far far behind many other players already and catching up is unlikely. With all this said, I still enjoy the game, but I do agree that there's not much of a "payoff" from all the time/effort given to the game. But also, in terms of WoW and FFXIV, the endgame is *very* finite, you can max out pretty quick and once you do, you stop logging in for a while because there's nothing else to do until the next content patch which generally will last maybe a month. Then you stop logging in until it's raid time, then log off etc..etc.. All bdo needs is a better gear enhancing system and some sort of broader pve experience and it'd likely be one of the best MMO's on the market.

[@msjoodlastsin2806]

gearzdesign i agree with u raids dungeons end game that make ppl stay in the game

[@TheGuiido]

Yes! Exactly!

[@xionili6005]

1: The Godly amount of grinding you have to do can be a serious turn off to some people. 2: You have to roughly spend between $60 to $100 just to keep up. 3: There's not really any end-game content besides PVP. 4: The developers are actually hurting the game instead of improving it. 5: Black Desert is literally one of those pay to win games. BONUS REASON: You have to do many things that can be considered too much or complicated.

[@sethkang4410]

Pay to win. 😂😂😂😂

[@okankoksal4544]

BS

[@jeffkotch2619]

I was just starting to really get into the game, I enjoy the grind, and love my character. 56 hit and awakening happened. I don't even recognize my character anymore. I hate the awakened style. I got used to playing using abilities without hotkeys, I don't want to learn it again, and my new abilities all kinda look the same.

[@manasuars.3341]

Look up your succession. Its coming soon and it locks your awakening off and makes your pre awakening stronger.

[@oddone1325]

the way people hate bdo is beautiful. clearly could never get pen xd

[@Zephero]

@@oddone1325 whats pen?

[@bobiconoclast3163]

A game should be fun - PERIOD. If it's work, it's not a game, it can become an obsession. You made a comment about going back to WoW because you needed to get to the next level cap (I believe you used the word needed). If you want to, that's one thing. If it'll be FUN to do it, that's one thing. If you feel a NEED to do it to keep up with others you're missing the point. That's more of an unhealthy obsession. Everything I know about BDO in addition to what little playing I did in it suggested an insane "grind fest". I see no point in this. Knock down mobs, watch them respawn, knock them down again... repeat... over and over and over again. Nothing even changes. At the very least toss me into an instance and let me wipe out some camp of nasties and let me pretend I accomplished something. To rip through something and watch it respawn behind you is the height of despoiling my immersion. There's no point to games like BDO. Pretty - yes. I wish all games looked so nice. Pointless - YES. NOTHING a player does feels like an accomplishment. You can learn another language in the time wasted in a grind fest like this. So sad. If it was FUN... that would be different. BDO isn't.

[@sorbet512]

I couldn't ever get deep into it because it is super overwhelming after the beginning levels. The gathering, the mining nodes and hiring workers and having to buy housing for your workers etc.. Way too much to manage

[@doudyk7692]

I agree with you if tera online have the same graphics it will be better than BD, without the unnecessary things like housing etc.

[@chadthunderjock6520]

Ahh...so Black Desert has mandatory PvP? That's a game breaker for me.

[@andrewhernandez1759]

Yea, once you get to lvl 50, u get rekt by players who no life the game.

[@Nightstick24]

It's not mandatory PvP, it's mandatory curb-stomping. On Olvia, which you can play on for a month, you can get by with a bit of luck and some server hopping. On the normal servers you get killed instantly for daring to think about going near someone's grind spot, and they'll camp the respawn point too, forcing you to respawn back at town, which can be a good ten minute run to get back to anywhere you want to be.

[@chinkajack]

When hit lvl 50 PvP is enabled. This doesnt mean we have to do PvP. Most of the time PvP is easy to avoid, if PvP is not your thing. I hate PvP. Have been ganked about twice in 2 years of playing BDO and one of those was because i was in guild war. The first time was because i didnt know what to look out for.

[@pasteldreams5413]

It actually isn't that bad, and that is coming from me, someone who hates PvP. As long as you don't join a server with the PvP guilds on it, you rarely get attacked. Most people are pretty chill.

[@ivansalcedo2290]

It's not Mandatory to become lvl 50, for Lifeskills/Trade you can remain immune to forced PVP by Choosing to never release the lvl 49 Cap. The Olvia Growth Server is also a Great Non Forced PVP Hotspot while it lasts. They bring those Servers up as a Welcome back Event and Introduction for Newcomers with Many Benefits you don't need on regular Servers. You get 30 days on Olvia or Until you reach a Lvl (59/60) then you need to Transfer over that Character to a Regular Server. Between then, You can always just Create a New Character for Olvia, Farm, Gather, Fish, Tame, Mine, Smith, etc. Then never be Harassed by PKs. As much as they'd like to be Douchebags they can't in Olvia, and they also Can't hurt Anyone below lvl 50.

[@lilWhiteEmo]

26 mins of him saying the same thing over and over ............

[@brotherblood1180]

@@fghfghggffghv612 what the hell are you trying to say

[@saltysinz370]

No one gives a fk about proper English when typing. Calm down Grammer police.

[@AugurStratus]

@@saltysinz370 Grammar* you stupid fuck the schools don't teach you for no reason.

[@Etridamu]

And yet you listened to to.

[@KingKrow.]

🧂🧂🧂

[@teratokomi8731]

I am one of those players. I can tell you why I quit. The game was very fun, though progress was rather fast. Once I hit the exp wall around lvl 55ish and had to really grind killing the same stuff for hours on end to gain a level..... I got super bored and quit. The game has lots of content, but alot of it has no incentive to take part in it, or you blow through it so fast it feels pointless. Yes the game is totally a single player experience. You see other players but they are irrelevant.

[@Natsu2G]

The AFK crap, is what makes me not even try the game....

[@genarrows3245]

Natsu 2G afk is gunna be a thing with any and every mmo rpg coming out what is wrong with being afk? It’s literally there to help people I understand it’s annoying in other games because people do it in raids and dungeons but it’s just to help people here complaining about afk being an option is like complaining about the earth being flat. PS: fuck flat earthers

[@Jack-zt1sr]

@@genarrows3245 The problem I have with afk leveling is that if it's an option and you're not doing it, you're falling behind. So in some situations it becomes compulsory rather than just being a handy feature, and that stresses people out, trying to make sure their PC is always running/online/not dc'd etc.

[@genarrows3245]

Jack see I know what you mean but I find that almost always false in most cases but people like to use that as an excuse p2w I have seen and I can see where it’s a problem but I don’t play most of those games that are literally just all auto and p2w I try and look deep to find good quality mmos but those are hard to come by nowadays but a big issue I’ve had is those that complain constantly all day everyday about games that supposedly need a lot of work and people expect games to be perfect when they shouldn’t be but fuck it can’t change what others think lol and this seems more like a rant then something to be comprehended but ehh you know what I mean

[@Mezha07]

@@Jack-zt1sr LoL you do know BDO have multiple criteria for levels like alchemy cooking fishing etc. Do you know how long it takes to even do it facing the screen? 3 minutes minimum for 1 fish what would you expect the thing is if you probably meant money farming then yes you might get left out if you didn't use afk but that's all there to is you can't afk farm combat and skill exp where the abilities and oveall level is you can't afk that lol you have to play for it

[@ivansalcedo2290]

AFK is good for when you need to Travel to a Distant Place and Since there is no True Fast Travel Method yet letting your Character move on their own gives you time to maybe Order a Pizza, Talk with Friends, Look up Tutorials, Etc. AutoFarming also Handy, Auto Attacks are a Buzzkill once Everything can be done Full Auto, Those games are not Worth touching ever again.

[@D.M.Transcendent]

as a novice former BDO player i have to say what made me quit was the fact that in order to any professions you must afk grind for weeks, months, even years... just what i wanted, a game that pretty much plays its self :/ no thanks.

[@LexusFox]

Right? Such a dumb system, beats the whole purpose.

[@MrKillroy26]

I find my fun in gearing my toons and leveling them up. I just turn on some music and grind away for hours.

[@XxW4RB0RNxX]

Shit I was overwhelmed just playing the first 14 lvls lol

[@michaeldees6599]

Loved BDO at the start... but then it's death by a thousand cuts. Toxic Playerbase Massively unbalanced PVP. To the point where Like 6 players can be completely destroyed by a single higher geared player. Never once did I have an evenly matched pvp contest. Just getting trounced by an over geared opponent, or lolrolling over a lower tiered player. And the classes are ludicrously unbalanced to the point where only a small number of them are worth playing at all. Arbitrary limits to progression. Like limits on the amount of items that can be sold for imperial trading or cooking per day. Pointlessly complex node system. Grind, Grind, Grind. And most high level players want to grind enemies that fall to one hit while yielding the highest amount of gold and XP. That means everyone ends up getting bottlenecked into the same grinding areas. Sausan's anyone? In other MMO's you're rewarded for taking on harder mobs. In BDO you just endlessly one hit greys ad nauseum. And areas where tougher mobs are located are pretty much vacant. No reward to fighting them. No decent resource drops and silver from them isn't worth the effort. PVE is shit. Huge swaths of the game aren't even worth the trouble. Take the entire desert region. Get lost without a compass and you're fucked. And the compass can actually wear out. You feel pressured to do everything you can before the compass breaks, which ruins the enjoyment of just trying to enjoy your surroundings. On top of that constantly having to worry about hypothermia or heat exhaustion. Having to give up weight just to carry the resources needed to survive all that... and for what? Server performance was shit. Constant desyncs, lag and tearing. And the worse... the fucking RNG. Gathering the massive resources needed to even attempt a gear upgrade only to have it fail... and worse the gear ending up being WORSE than before the attempt, or even unusable... And if you think you're just going to just get what you need off the marketplace, good luck with that. Even when decent gear is available (which is rare) the cost is exorbitant. So of course I fucking quit. I'm not a masochist. BDO is nothing but a collection of pain points with a thin layer of decent combat thrown in to keep you fucking yourself over. Eventually It's just not worth it. I bounced at 58, and my only regret is that I started playing in the first place.

[@ederyn84]

You probably played for 1 month and complains because someone who's playing since 2 years deleted you in pvp. This game its not a sprint... It's a maraton. And a very nice one.

[@michaeldees6599]

Actually I played for several months and hundreds of hours. And honestly could have given a damn if I never won a single duel. The game was painful to play, not fun, buggy, and in the end not worth the grind or aggravation with its many broken systems. You defending it won't make it any less shitty. I'm sure if I'd kept at it, it would STILL be shitty, and I'd be out of months of value pack payments and cash shop purchases. You know what? Fuck it, say whatever you want. I'm so happy I left that cesspool that anything you're going to say will just bounce off. Happy gaming dude, glad you're having fun.

[@BlueNavigationUnit]

@@ederyn84 That's an incredibly stupid and narrow-minded response. He gave you the exact reasons that he quit.

[@aurum6664]

Most of what u said is applicable to every fucking game. Stop playing mmorpg and instead go play some 1 player game ugh stupid comments everywhere

[@aurum6664]

@Eddie Hall idiot spotted

[@SeekNeo]

To be honest if things like pets weren't THAT big of a deal, I would keep playing the game, but without pets and weights, grinding is unbearable. I'm fine with grinding, I play grindy games like Warframe and Path of Exile and I enjoy them, because they don't force you to spend money to make the grind bearable

[@FirstLast-ie3kq]

You definitely have to buy stash tabs to enjoy path of exile. And a large percentage of the playerbase also spends moneys on cosmetics in that game because the default armor looks shitty. How is poe better than bdo again?

[@sl5737]

@@FirstLast-ie3kq You're barely touching the surface. Grind in poe is nothing compared to BDO, you actually feel the sense of progression really easily. You can't tell me the stash tabs are overly expensive, they're worth it. Speaking of cosmetics, at least the skins you buy are not character bound. Hell, use it for every league if you want.

[@June96255]

So it's pay to win?

[@adammountford8871]

@@June96255 It's Pay for a better chance to win. Its a lot like being stranded on a desert island. The only thing to do on this island is a casino. Some people have been stranded for 2 years or more. So long that they don't remember how they won enough times to progress to the "big tables". Some of these people are nice and will try to tell you the best way to gamble. Still, though they are lost and brainwashed from only free diluted whiskey to drink and the occasional overpriced froufrou cocktail to "help things along". They don't realize that the things they're telling you either never worked or just got changed and they haven't been paying attention. Other People are not so nice and will use you for the various types of cannon fodder that any newer arrival is good for. Stick to the slots and you are generally safe though. How ever you will never get to the "Big Table" You can be allowed to play at the "Big Table" if you win enough to dress to the 9s. (soft cap~550 GS) Where you will be thrown into games with players who are dressed to the 9.75s (261ap) on a good day and 10s really most of the time. OKAY. end of that bit. In truth it is pay to progress faster and more conveniently. But even with those convenience items you could theoretically NEVER progress to 560 gs. It is completely RNG. Which is the point at which you have a real chance to have an actual GF in bdo. I'll not go into the pvp system in BDO that in my honest opinion is trash. With out the campsite and at outfit and underwear and 5 tier 3 or better pets (which have to be leveled by smashing lower tier pets together so it's really no less then 15 pets but could take as many as 30 or more) it would take literally forever to just hit softcap,

[@Saavykaas]

I’d like to see this video revisited in current day, largely to find out if Black Desert has managed to address any of these very valid concerns

[@georginasmalls2824]

This video is still very relevant lol don't worry

[@NursePeter]

While I'm not quitting, I've been playing less and less because of wanting to do just PVE without a guild (due to my life/work balance) where it is common to get killed by one or more players sometimes just traveling on the roads (i.e. not grinding, just heading back to town). And if I want to go to an area for just missions, and there are others there... almost guaranteed to get killed and no way to avoid PVP other than just fishing (which I'll do if I'm reading or doing something else). Add in the grinding time, price of items, etc.... and less and less of my time is spent on the game. It's fun when people cannot player kill you (especially in one hit without a chance to even run), and after that just becomes a time sink waste.

[@christiangonzalez6945]

Ok why i did quit BDO, i dont want to write this so i will try to be short... 1) Lies: the game its advertised as many things, but as always the devil its in the details, for example the game its advertised to have an afk component where you can progress, surprise, your computer must be on and the game running, thats what i would call a lie, some people would argue that its not, but for me the fact that they dont make this information explicit, well... Second, the game its advertised as free after the initial fee witch is not really, again people will argue that you do not need to spend money in the game, but given the game mechanics all the benefits of the "paid subscription" are "just too good to let them pass" if you catch my drift, basically the end game consist on having a BIG "afk" empire, enough to have enough silver to pay the premium subscription so when you actually are playing the game its not "a waste of time" aka bleeding your eyes leveling, my conclusion to this i think the game its pay to win... Basically, silver = power = gear, all this plus paid subscription = exp = silver... Again you may disagree and i would agree with you if point 2 did not exist... 2) Korean Model: i love mmos but i hate korean mmos, the grind its never rewarded, its a slot machine over a slot machine over a slot machine, in what i would call american mmos when you craft a item or when you farm for something you know what you will get, they say to you you must kill the boss and get 100 ultrarare ingots and then you will have enough to craft the sword, in the korean mmo there is an additional step, after you drop the ingots to the furnace you hit the lever, after that you may or may not have a finished item for god sake this is coming from someone that farmed the "Timbermaw Hold" reputation in vanilla wow, to this day i have PTSD from those fucking furbolgs, but you know what? i knew how many i had to kill all the time... Second, "durability", inflation and deflation of the shitton of fake money printed from real money its managed by "durability" items are mostly comprised of "consumables of long duration" a sistem again that i dislike... 3) cost/benefit: im a whale, i spend money, but i never did in BDO, everything was expensive, nothing i did see earned my money, you can buy many things in another games for so much less, i dont know how much i have spend in warframe, i know what it is to spend a couple of bucks in a digital scarf, but when such a digital scarf have a 7 days time expiration, and to have the always forever scarf you have to pay 4 times the price, ho! my scarf its the +5 version and i can make it the +10 version but i have to hit the lever and get the jackpot, the only thing that helps you get your items from the floor instead of clicking them, are the pets and pets cost real money.... ummm... ummmmm.......... the only item that its so much a bargain that "you must not be crazy to not buy it" its the premium token, such a good bargain its so much fucking obvious... warframe does this too, but at least there is a point where you do not really get benefits from it.. 4) difficulty/lack of polish: the game just have two difficulties, you one shot everything, or you get one shotted, this is an oversimplification of the pve or the pvp, but cmon its a meme in the community you cant deny its true, the game has beautifull visually compelling combat that you never see because you one shot everything... Basically the game is the mix of everything that its wrong with FTP games and their pletora of "tricks" to make purchases more compeling and to make the grind "less grindy" the eye candy its good enogh to make you check the price of the shirt, and then roll your eyes at the price, instead of the hey this game its great i want to support it... The game its gorgeous, and the pvp its beautiful when its not reduced to the math problem that it simply is when there is a difference of itemization in 1vs1, the only reason i play from time to time its the aestetics and that i have not finished it, the history and the world building are very interesting to me and while the quests sometimes are lame there is so much voice acting, again the game has his pletora of strong points sadly there are more polished games that respect my time and my money more, with more compelling combat and less tricks... its like having the best meal in town with a glass of sewage water... Thats why i did not wanted to write this, i knew i would not be short...

[@LindsayLavender]

I played it and love it, but it's also 2020 now, and I dunno the differences from now and then. Graphics are AMAZING, and i'm never bored of stuff to do. There's always SOMETHING to do on this game. It's great! There's a ton of ways to play this MMO, but you get to play it exactly like how you want to. Good stuff!

[@AlexanderVAL89]

i spent so much on this wonderful game, and quitted 3 months ago, reasons being : its a money grab, you need to be conected 24/7 and it doesnt have proper pve content.

[@andrewhernandez1759]

It all pvp, almost no pve

[@Serendipity4477]

Totally agree. I like exploring the world but getting one shot with a gear score of 460 is just annoying and destroys a lot of the fun PVP can have.

[@schonfeld5158]

550 gs here , & vs guys of the same gearscore as me , its one shot as well , it's all about landing the first cc-grab & winning , its bdo , & it has been like that since the beginning EDIT : unless it's a zerker or mystic or valkyrie ofc

[@None38389]

If both sides are AP build and equally geared, you'll get one shot no matter what your GS is, the fun of the PvP is to catch your opponent and combo them down before they can catch you. But if you don't like it that way, there's also the option of shifting your build closer to DP to make the fight lasts longer.

[@witchcraftbdo3212]

Im 535 RS and barely get 1shot/combo. Problem is people go full AP so yeah you’re squishy. But you do more damage on the contrary. Im pretty sure you vs other 450-470RS players will make for great fun. Unless you fight your counter class haha.

[@EvilEyEbRoWzz]

I fall under that category of 'new' as I've only been playing for about 2 months now. I was almost ready to quit.. however I think I'm lucky as I began to realise where there was just so much shit to do... you just have to do what you can. So I've given up on reaching end game any time soon and PvP any time soon and just playing when I can and even if that's a year, it is what it is :/

[@Mezha07]

Exactlt it's not a race it's a marathon you can even leave fir a month or teo and when yiu get back it's still there some people just complain when other player excels other than them it's a game not everyone is the same you enjoy it by the way you play if you focus in everything at the same time you'll finish nothing in a year but if you focus a specific skill for a month you'll maxed it out in a week or two not to mention combat and skill farming is so damn easy in this game and after that you could focus in silver gain8ng throug workers and nodes focusing only on that would take yiu two to three weeks max to buld an empire of money milking towns and then you could focus on lifeskills for a month and by the end of give or take 2-3months you've probably reach an average level in most life skils and an average knowledge and contributions points of the game with enough energt to keep ivesting everytime you log in, it diesn't even take you that much time per day you can play for like an hour ir two a day and you'd be earning 50mil silver minimum not to mention their are daily rewards and events i already got 4 of my charactera full of tri to tet bossgears and it only took me about 4 or 5 months focus on one thing before you move to the next because if yiu let yourself get overwhelmed it's your loss am i right? Hehe

[@alexandrunicolae1054]

As a pretty old player(i started playing somewhere around warrior awakening) that reached 500gs cap and quitted awhile ago i can tell you why this game sucks: 1.)RNG: Don t get me wrong, rng is good in mmos, but the way bdo makes it its just too much, basically a good diceroll is the difference between getting 2 months worth of progress in 2 clicks and getting a tri armor/weapon in 1 month(yea i actually managed to fail 12 times tri, and even 16 duos in a row) 2.)Pearl Shop: It's one thing for an item shop to be p2w, ppl just quit and force the devs to change it, but bdo has the most disgusting disguise for this, called "convenience" yea sure you can live without pets, storage, weight, inv slots, tent, and more, but a f2p player vs a 60$monthly investition player progresses 4-5 times slower, and progression is the next topic 3.)Progression: The difference between gear in players is astonishing, a 450 gs player will literally stomp on a 380 gs player and get deleted by a 510gs player(as a general example, depending on what that gs is actually made of it might not be the case), which is not really bad considering you have to work so much for that specific gear, but players keep getting more and more gearscore while the content stays the same, kama expansions added grinding spots for the softcap(or nearing softcap) and beyond players, so the rest are forced on spots that are grindable with low ap, thus new players meeting old ones(gahaz, even met ppl from siege guilds here lulz) and its not the old player's fault, they cant grind anything better until they hit a certain ap, and even then, classes such as ninja are locked in these kind of spots 4.)Nodewars: A secondary effect, or maybe one even more impactful of the raise of overall gs is that nodewar scene is dominated by high gearscore, so a new player has to grind half an year, or god knows how much, depending on his rng and $$$ spent to get to experience the beautiful but fucked pvp system which i ll discuss below 5.)PVP: This point is the thing that literally made me quit, the former pvp system wasnt perfect, ninja could 1combo a softcap with 180 ap, mystic was pretty much immune to CC while having A GOD FUCKING BROKEN SLOW... sry for that, but I had fun with it, skill was still a thing, you had to know how to keep your protection up. Now with the new system, the pvp is a rng fest, CC that can or cannot hit depending on rnjesus? fuck off, 75% gear, 25% luck, this is todays pvp. there may be more things but i feel like these are the main things that dragged this game down, it was the game i had the most fun with, met a lot of cool people in different guilds and at its core this game is wonderful, there is so much more to do than just grind sausan and pirates but unfortunately greedy and deaf devs/publisher made it in what's today, a whale milker RIP BDO, best MMO i played by far

[@LostWallet]

for an action combat focused game like BDO, its pvp are much more dependent of gear rather than skill imo

[@Mezha07]

Which MMO doesn't lol whoever had gear ike that either farmed enough money to get it or wasted so much time trying to get it, or spends in game money for it and whoever they bought it from stil gets rewarded for the hardwork no matter where you look at it you could do it any different ways you either spend money or time either ways enjoy the journey not the ending

[@hollowhughes198]

I just wanted to PvP and take a break from eso. The grind was too much.

[@kagurachan3329]

This video explains how i feel so well, thankyou for this

[@AbdelrahmanRashed]

So i have some comments I'd like to say about your video maybe consider it as a feedback if you want. 1 - You were very repetitive in your video i swear i could hear same sentences like a few times at different times , i thought you should try organizing your thoughts and make some points to speak of on a script ( maybe ? ) 2 - About Black Desert, you didn't mention a lot of other reason that caused players to quit Like : The unavailability of items in BDO Market Place, You have to be online to bid/buy the item. Pre Order prices are stupid and not new player friendly Players are expected to have a lot of alts to be able to enhance the gear without spending extra useless money. Unrewarding and punishing Enhancing System that Depends on RNG over RNG over RNG The Progression of the whole game is based on RNG over RNG. Unavailability of farm spots even in Sausans ..etc (saw a lot of lvl 61~ 62 ) farming there although they should have gone somewhere else. most people PK you on spot instead of talking to you to leave your spot so you end up feeling miserable like powerless. Having to purchase Pets is a must and not even 3 pets, minimum 5 pets tier 1 to be able to do anything. Having to purchase a value pack is a must in my opinion as the benefits of the value pack is crazy and hard to miss. Having to deal with the fucking weight system which only exists to milk people out of their money. Having to deal with a lot of other bullshit in the game that have missed and I hate to say this but you were wrong at one point, better geared players doesn't always mean that he spent more time in the game , rather just lucky to get Duo,Tri,Tet one tap and i saw it happen all the time. I think it's time to stop playing this awful game and search for alternatives, Even spending 3 hours daily grinding in this game won't do you anything in terms of progression.

[@CursiveDragon]

Neverwinter. Look for Cursivedragon.

[@sethkang4410]

I started 20 days ago. Got two tri weapons. And the only money i spent is the game. So its really not bad.

[@stanfinchem431]

I’m glad you addressed these issues, more people should be discussing them, imho. Game mechanics and graphics often take precedence over gameplay, and that’s tragic, for sure. The big question is what to do about it? Often times solutions to one issue can cause others. ‘Easier leveling’ is often brought up, but I have to say that’s just folks being lazy- and why should new payers get a pass when established players fought tooth and nail to get where they are? As a new(ish) solo player myself the main issue I have for the entire game is the learning curve. The BDO world is vast and detailed, and just figuring out what to focus on and where to start is overwhelming. 40% of my BDO Experience is me sitting on google, trying to find answers- and that’s no way to play a game. Luckily there are some helpful players who have set up tutorials for various skills, etc., but most of these sites assume you already know a lot. The game has some basic “how to’s” built into the quest lines (if you can find them), but after they get you started they leave you hanging out to dry. I’d love to see someone make a walkthrough for each aspect of the game written for virgin players that have specific interests in the game but no idea how/where to even start, let alone how to become proficient. As for the gear issues at higher level PVP- there’s no easy solution I can imagine without drastically changing the way PVP works in BDO. I’d love to hear everyone’s ideas on this, though!

[@Projolo]

Reduce damage or increase defence in PVP to not be a one shot fiesta it's become very dull and repetitive. In 1v1 the first CC wins in large group the one who has more PA that is an immune

[@haverlynhiru1567]

dragons dogma online has god tier combat for an mmo

[@500Arios]

Seen the gameplay for that mmo, it's sweet.

[@johnhubbard4038]

When will that be coming to America? I freaking love DD and I wish I could play it.

[@hikkicrosx]

But its not open world :(

[@BlueBD]

not really a problem. DD has a very fulfilling combat system and Magic system.

[@zexsin2117]

Well it's a pvp game that you get nothing from the pvp...

[@BarachielGaming]

I quit because of the PvP.

[@zexsin2117]

Same when I figured that out I was like bruh no rewards but you want me to waste my time with pvp...

[@BarachielGaming]

@LISA SCALLION i downloaded the game again to test if this was true, its not.

[@wWencyw]

Zex Sin in pvp there isn’t but in red battlefield(red team vs black team) you get 4 million silver if you lose, 6 million silver if you win

[@roningaming_1]

Thank you so much for this video! I just downloaded BDO today and created a Berserker! After years of wondering if I should play or can play. I’ve played tera, Everquest, FINAL FANTASY XIV Online and I’m currently playing bless unleashed. The horror stories I’ve heard from other players in other mmorpg’s that have or had BDO is scary lmao. for example I’ve heard the grinding is like a second real life job and if you miss something important you might as well stop and start over. Your video made me say just go for it and try not to quit. Lmao 😆

[@ongabobonga6543]

how did it go?

[@jessycruz2465]

Most mmo especially the asian ones are pretty grindy and also a pretty shallow experience.

[@sinciti9354]

ahh the eternal hell of mmorpg's "Nope, i spent 467 years leveling up when the game first came out so you should have to as well!!!!!!!!!" MMORPG's arent allowed to improve because if they try they piss off the vets who feel some sense of right of passage..... for a video game....... Its like they dont understand playing a game isnt supposed to be a chore

[@nucklehead718]

Exactly

[@HDMFanatic]

I’m more of a PvE type of player so is BDO heavy in that department? Also, how often will other players kill you?

[@BarachielGaming]

No, and after lvl 50 yes with no chance to defend yourself.

[@Jack-zt1sr]

did you even watch the vid? lol

[@pasteldreams5413]

I know this is a year old, but I'll comment anyways. I am also a PvE person, so as someone who has played the game for a long time, I can say it is severely lacking in that department. The only PvE is grinding mobs and the occasional world boss. There are no real dungeons and no raids. PvP varies depending on the server you're in. As long as you stay away from the servers with PvP guilds, then you'll be fine. I've played BDO for thousands of hours now, and I've only been PKed maybe a dozen times. Honestly, I just play it for the people. The only reason I've spent so much time in the game is because of my friends. There are some really lit people on there, so if you're looking for that sort of thing, I think it's worth spending some time playing.

[@Dumbledoresarmy13]

I really loved the combat, and I spent a lot of time with the farming,cooking, fishing life skills. But when my guild sorta fell apart, I realized it's all just...busywork activities you can do while chatting with friends. There's not much you can do WITH friends, apart from maybe guild quests. You can't trade with friends, so you couldn't work on a ship together, trade gear, not even give your friend some carrots for his horse. There are a bunch of life skills but you don't really do those with people. And on the flip side, the busywork aspect of the life skills and the mob farming is kind of tedious so even people who enjoy it for the single player experience get worn down and bored. And that's not even accounting for the enhancing system, and how ridiculously expensive everything is. I did not have enough time or money for that busywork simulator, no matter how pretty it was.

[@StarboyXL9]

Games like that just show you how far Asia is willing to go to keep it's citizens pacified and distracted so they don't realize they are essentially slaves.

[@blackspirit1129]

If they at least mend those frustrations, that would somehow improve player experience. What I wish for this game is balanced arena.

[@patrickshaut8008]

I don’t understand how to learn how to do everything in the game, I’ve watched dozens of videos and I still don’t know how to progress past AP 130

[@softblondee]

I'm in the same boat lol

[@ChrisBBozeman]

Look up Ace Alpha's channel. She explains all this stuff, in a very easy-to-understand way. Failstacking, how to gain silver as a new player, etc.

[@pasteldreams5413]

I recommend joining a social/PvE guild that's newbie friendly. That's how I learned the game. Videos really aren't going to help because there is *so* much information, it's impossible for any of it to stick.

[@PlAsKusJ3GaRn]

Everyone about vanilla WoW: sooooo much grinding BDO: hold my exp

[@IWubYooz]

I've given some thought to this. I'd say 1-56 in BDO for a new player is about the same as 1-20 in WoW classic. Sure grinding required scales ridiculously in BDO (and is infinite) compared to WoW Classic, but at least WoW classic provides combat oriented content which is not just grinding as an option. And I'm saying this as someone who grinded a toon to 60 within weeks of WoW classic release almost exclusively on grinding mobs (Only doing class quests), so I'm not afraid of the grind at all. But if the end goal or the only future content is to basically just grind more, then forget that mess. Perhaps I'm wrong and tell me if I am, but as long as there is no other content besides PvP and grinding in PvE as content, then I have nothing different to really look forward to. Makes me a bit sad because I love that this game looks like a game that belongs in 2020 (even retail WoW looks like 2004 graphics still) and has an interesting combat system compared to tab targeting, but none of that makes up for a game with no interesting end-game.

[@ongka2000]

Doing main quest and trying my best to enjoy the story is a good way for me to ignore all of its flaws. That being said, one of the biggest problems I have playing this game is its story representation. BDO has a decent story, an enjoyable one to certain degrees, but their presentation of the story is really boring and unengaging. How am I suppose have a good quality time in this game if I am not immersed in its story and its world? Sure the graphics are amazing, sometimes jaw-dropping in some areas, but the world still feels so hollow and dead. I feel like this game lacks its solid goal that is tied to its story, which would help gives the players a clear objective in this game. And a good way to do it is to make the players get immersed in the game.

[@andyzhou6805]

yes I agree, after going through the story three times I still have no clue what the story is about, because I couldn't care less

[@Kobk762]

I’m new, really like the combat n graphics but before I invest too much more time is there any dungeons or anything like that to do like the other mmo’s ?

[@makoshark40]

world bosses thats about it theres basically like 8 dungeons for the whole game and most are end game after youve played way to much

[@Kobk762]

makoshark40 appreciated, idk I’m kinda on the fence with it. I’m a pve player lol I do not enjoy PvP what so ever, is the world bosses n dungeons a viable way to get decent gear?

[@Kobk762]

makoshark40 I wish they’d add more for pve someday

[@makoshark40]

@@Kobk762 grinding countless hours even in life skills you may not particularly like

[@Kobk762]

I haven’t played again lol I don’t think I’m going to.. it sounds really unappealing I wish I would’ve known before buying, but I never thought it would lack end game pve that’s such a weird design choice, hopefully 1 day tho n I’ll give it a try. Also everyone saying that u absolutely have to spend money on a game already paid for Is what made me not wana play even more lol but thanks for ur help

[@jonravenwulf7788]

Imagine if skyrim had these same graphics and combat system and same art concepts and character build omfg......

[@shell6467]

Jon RAVENWULF you know skyrim have a mod that can turn all of that into a reality

[@tintschi2049]

@@shell6467 not really...

[@chuckchuk5157]

Mod babby mod.

[@chuckchuk5157]

@@tintschi2049 u just didnt mod it enough.

[@AleLeone09]

I started the game a 2 weeks ago. When I get to finish a good amount of quest, and level up a bit, I'm probably going to quit. 90% because pay to win. You can play the game alone like an offline game, explore etc, but you can't compete with other people that paid 200 $ and pays 20$ a month.

[@Mezha07]

You can actually compete against them lol they give you like 60day value pack when you buy the game because one from steam and one from the game you literally could reach tri bossgear with 3 or more characters in a month and tet bossgears for 2 months it takes a total of 2-3 hours to literally xp boodt charactera to combat lvl 56 for awakening and a max of 48 hours to fully build a contribion and energy standing another week to finish up getting nodes and leveling lifeskills and hirig workers youcould literally earn give or take 50million silver minimun every day after the first 2 months and you'd have complete tri bossgear by then or at least an entire armor set with a tet liverto weapon seriously you could do all this withit sacrificing your social life earning that much silver and farming that much xp ain't that hard when you know where, how and when to do it lol. Next time they release an mmo like this they should probably place a disclaimer that says "made for eastern players since SEA servers for mmos are the literally last servers that die out when an mmo is dying geez no wonder asians are better at most things since they actually place enough time to do everything that includes an hour or two a day it doesn't take that long to harvest your earnings once you manage to build a worker empire in BDO seriously if you focus on pvp too much then you probanly hate it cause someone is stronger than you because he/she spended more time in the game which for obvious reason is fair the person made a choice and freely did it without crying like a baby

[@donutrangerr]

The state of BDO today is very different. I'm glad I just got into it recently!

[@xrateduser]

I am brand new, about a week in. I can see what you're saying already. It is a very overwhelming game. I really hope they add a dungeon system, tho I am not holding my breath. For me, the draw to this game is the AFKing. I am a busy old person that should not be playing games at all. Let alone how much I've been playing. But as much as I agree with you and see your point. I would suggest (if I may) script your videos, this got really repetitive. At some point I was rolling my eyes like "We get it, you love and hate the game, welcome to gaming" lol But no seriously love your content, keep your head up mate.

[@kunfupandarofl]

Yup I know exactly where you come from lol. I'm in a guild that's lead by a guy with 3 kids and just people who are 20-30+ busy with real life. They're all like 58-60 with softcap gear it's hilarious but great. BDO has a tag of 16+ but honestly I feel like leisure adults enjoy the game the most and longest as opposed to competitive players XD

[@kaygo1245]

xrateduser me too was I doing a lot more because of this guy I didn't understand it, now I have three characters level 55.

[@yongbi1006]

If u need help just ask me

[@kaygo1245]

Nenomious okay I am working on my ranger which has Duo equipment if that means anything

[@jodyd.9856]

There already 2 Dessert dungeons and 1 deepsea dungeon :3 but i tryed to reach the deepsea dungeon course i cant hold my breath long enoth 🙈

[@TsukineYuuka]

I quit BDO because pvp feels like comparing gears instead of skills, even gw2's broken wvw feels better than this.

[@noahdm4321]

He's actually wrong about Guild Wars 2 at 16:25. You can play competitive PvP in Gw2 at level 2. As soon as you join the PvP arena you're boosted to max level, unlock all your skills, and given a choice of gear stats. Everyone is put on the same playing grounds in PvP. It's entirely about skill.

[@LessFluff]

For all newb's or semi-newbs there's a event going on til mid June that gives you free tri boss which cannot be upgraded but still nice to have

[@Raabit615]

All this video did was made me realize the 15ish hours ive put into bdo is enough. I dont need second job I'd like a game.

[@Arminas86]

I feel the time on Olvia servers is too short, I'm pretty new and today's my final day on Olvia, I know for sure I won't be able to grind places because the gear differences are going to be massive which means I'll end up losing almost every fight I get into. I've also started to see this game as a job rather than enjoyment, hearing the horror stories of trying to enchant boss gear for example from my more veteran friends. What awaits me now? Getting nothing done grinding wise, struggling to catch up in gearing, what is the point in playing?

[@patrickos94]

You are 100% right. I started this game like a month ago now when i got kick from olvia server I just dont want to play this game anymore, hard to stay on spot when someon stomp you because he have much better gear. How can I compare myself and farm to someon who just oneshots me. Didn't even tried pvp because I know I will get stomped badly. I need bilions of money right now and when I lost access to olvia and value pack its really hard to grind some money (I really like grind in this game thats on +). And there comes pearl's shop, which you really need to invest in endgame (pets/outfits/slots/weight). Start is really nice but they should do warning you need to invest more money if you want to do well at end game. I really liked this game for this month but now I feel like I want to quit this game because I want to play game for fun not to invest my money cuz its not my real life.

[@tomorrowduong4914]

I understand your point! And I think you will want a different approach tho. I myself have been playing the game for years with 2 free attendant pets but still enjoy exploring, taking care of my farm. I do grind almost everyday for the 200% buff and stuff...but only that. People in Battle Arena are nice. They often take off their gear for a fair fight with me. And yea, just try new things, break down your goal and you will get it ^^

[@patrickos94]

Oh, thats a good idea thanks :D

[@Kakashi42069]

Agree with Tomorrow^. Battle Arena is a good place with 1 silver pots where you can train yourself in duels and people will always take your gear off to match yours. Try to keep on grinding without the value pack, the only real benefit to the value pack is extra storage slots (which can be worked around too by just throwing some CP into towns for storage slots or better self item managing) and the marketplace sales tax reduction. Even then, if you're not selling shit worth more than 1.5m per item, the MP tax reduction won't bring you THAT much more money.

[@tomorrowduong4914]

Actually you have choice to overcome that by saving up your loyalties for a one-day VP for any kinda big MP sell as well.

[@ridocf]

Tbh, I like teras combat better because it's not hack and slash. The thing that's better about black desert is the controls. It's so much smoother than hotkeys (1,2,3,4 etc.) But combat alone, I prefer Tera.

[@TheArnoldification]

BDO combat is bad mechanically speaking. High APM is the goal to winning which is pretty much antithetical to modern game balance. It's very flashy but it's pretty much hammer buttons and whoever farmed more autistically wins. Have you tried guild wars 2? It's a flawed game but the combat is at least fairly skill based as far as MMO's go.

[@Tommyvang187]

I prefer Vindictus over Tera personally, It follows actual combat based games like Nier Automata, or DMC, or Ninja Gaiden or Monster Hunter much more than Tera does. I couldn't get over how the camera system works in Tera, its still very MMO-like.

[@DragonPop64]

Black Desert is not for today's casual "instant gratification " players. I personally am interested in the lore and story. The fishing , and the the in game economy, et cetera. Great combat. All the questing. Which there is apparently 10,000 quests. Another thing is the game has had a solid community around the world for like a decade. Black Desert is again, not for casual players. These players are not who you want in your game. Theres a way however to invite the right players for a community and I think pearl abyss is working that out. They just know they have a strong dedicated community that love the game, and wont betray those veteran players. But at the same time, the recent patch added some item for quicker leveling , as they acknowledged how long it takes. They are completely aware of it. It's not a race people. It's a marathon. They want you to enjoy Black desert as one of the finer experiences in life. The game is a work of art. And quick satisfaction seeking crybaby gamers need not apply.

[@DragonPop64]

@ORYX X I dont, I wanted to try it out, but I use xbox one , and it's only on PC and playstation 4.

[@Netbase2000]

3% an hour is a grind? I played official silkroad. It is pretty fast for a Kmmorpg tbh.

[@Cymricus]

3% an hour on games I grew up with would've been insane. normies gonna norm

[@Syn741]

that's why you never throw in gear stats into PVP combat. 2 guys with equal skill, if one person out gear the other person, you're dead. B&S has a really fair PVP system. no matter what level you are, you have a chance of beating the other player even if they out gear you. because no gear stats are involve! you have to out skill your opponent. not out gear. On top of all that, what makes things worst is that, even if you add gear stats in, getting geared is so damn hard. new players can't earn silvers easily like old players. boss drops are already so low, enhancing is also harder on top of all that you need FS. which uses more blackstone which new players can't get it that easily. after +15 you need hards and sharps which is even harder to get if you don't have silver. you can say that new players can grind. yes. grinding with shit gear is really slow on top of that, if you're level 50 and above, you have a chance of meeting a dick head that kills you for no reason. well, i also a new player and i've come to a point that i'm too lazy to grind because of my lousy gear. and i'm just life skilling to get my silvers. which i still don't have enough.

[@Vasana612]

it took blizzard 7 years to work out that items should be limited in PVP and all stats should be normalized server side.

[@adarkteddybear]

I will say, i have my one friend who has invested a lot of time into properly learning his class. Hes sitting currently at 490 ish gearscore and lives in BA. He will fight people with up to 540+ gs and still win. There still is some "skill" requirement for pvp.

[@Syn741]

Big Russian Bear increase the distance between the gs and the problem is more obvious. I'm not saying skill doesn't matter. I'm saying if one person that has shit gs vs one person that has good gs. Even if both their skills are evenly match, shit gs will never win the better one. And that's the problem. If no gs is involve. You would have a good fight. The battle of skills. Not battle of gs

[@adarkteddybear]

Very true

[@Yhukimia]

and why the fuck would you even farm gear then?

[@bfunkydunk]

This comment comes in about a year to late, but I just came back, Mystic and Valkyrie are my jam.. Feeling overwhelmed because I dont have gear, have passive income through workers. Do I just follow the black spirits quest line the whole way through?

[@andrewhernandez1759]

Well I'm playing on xbox and I love the game, grinding isn't a problem for me. Destiny 1 and 2 as taught me a lot about rng and loot. But my problem with bdo is the forced pvp... it is so bad for me currently. I'm lvl 55, and I get killed for no reason at all by other players. I get one shot a Lot. I will be just doing quests only for a person who has probably no lifed the hell out of the game, to kill me non stop. I try to continue the quest only for the guy to follow me, just to kill me. The pvp is forced on you the moment you hit lvl 50 and ur going against people who can fuck you up in one hit. If they fixed forced pvp. I would say that this mmo is the best. I will admit, I'm not really a pvp guy, I enjoy helping others fight bosses and stuff. But as of right now, I don't think I want to continue if the pvp is going to stay this bad. I guess I just have terrible luck with finding assholes in my games.

[@zaynellzachery3597]

Andrew hernandez same I’m a lvl 57 witch and feel like I’ve gone nowhere . I’m in a guild but we’re at war with one of the top guilds shieldWall and they’re all a bunch of no life’s that can 1-4 tap you and I just want to grind and play pve lol and I also want Dungeons and raids like in destiny 1 just my opinion

[@ohyeah8224]

I havent been attacked once yet out of nowhere I have 3 level 57s and a 60. All solo grinded. Wrong place at the wrong time probably :( I'm on PS4

[@shadowslip7125]

Almost every MMO out there has world PVP and safe zones.

[@blazemordly9746]

ty for saving me from wasting my time.

[@_anlim309]

this is a very good video because this was the very same reason that I had when I just started playing BDO, and for some reason, I keep playing BDO until today, The one thing I would like to say is that the has become very casual and newbie-friendly (except for the grinding part, it's still tedious as fuk), Life skillings are very simplified and can make the same if not better money than grinding mobs, you can easily get full TRI boss gear, and plus they give you 5 Pets for free now just by simply doing the main quest. Back in the day, we were supposed to discover most of the content of the black desert by ourself but nowadays the game actually hold our hands pretty tightly so new player have a better grasp of understanding on how to do most of its content, All in all, I would say that the game has gotten a lot better. I've been playing it for more than 2 years now, and I can't say that I never quit the game once in a while (PEN enhancing shieet) Btw, the Game UI on your video gives me a huge nostalgia Bonner, damn that UI looks old.

[@mindmachinepsy]

I'm not through the video and i don't know if i'll make it but i can tell you what made me quit after only a month. 1: Awakening. You have a class you like, you just love playing it. And then comes the awakeing that just destroys everything in a second. (yes ninja, looking at you) I tried all the classes and gave up. It just isn't thought through enough 2: The braindead grind. Not much to say about it. You grind mobs, you grind lifeskills, everything. 3: Degenerates running around killing you. 4: Upgrading the gear. Probably the worst, most rediculous and retarded shit i've ever seen. You get badly punished for having bad rng. 5: Lack of GOOD pve content. 6: More degenerates ganking you 7: Even more degenerates 8: Texture pop in. 9: Overpriced Cash shop with some shady "almost p2w" items The game had potential. And it's fun for a good month. But then everything just falls apart. I fully regret putting any money into it.

[@sersen5601]

Dude I so agree with you , specially the awakening part

[@Jinny-Wa]

It's on top Steam sales list every day yet only couple of thousand players playing it on Steam proves your point

[@chettonex]

Many players dont use the Steam client.

[@zerozano]

It's dying but it's no doubt a successful MMO. Also, no, there are way more people playing on the steam client. The game got a huge resurgence of players after it got released on steam. It's pretty much plateaued in players though. As a new player, you simply can't compete against other guilds/top players. All the casuals have already played and left and there are only the tens of thousands who still play the game, which is enough to keep the game going and the for the devs/pubs to keep milking them.