Why NO ONE Plays: Ivern | League of Legends

[@VarsVerum]

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[@flameofmage1099]

Where are going with why everyone plays? I would like to see Jinx maybe.

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

Magikarp used flu said that "he's like a Janna that can clear camps", and "he's basically a second support".

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

I really want Ivern in wild rift

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

(11:10) Me in wild rift: *LAUGHS IN MUNDO WITH A DOUBLE GODLIKE*

[@bode_hossam]

me an enchanter support main ear to ear smile the inter video praise me more tell me how me existence gives you a % chance of imploding every game a true main will emprise ivaren and bard's chaise 💋

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic5083]

He's a support jungler which makes him perfect to get flamed.

[@pietoeat9750]

The Two most hated roles put into one. Poor Tree man

[@ajeb7207]

I dont get blamed cuz my job is to just shield them im the one whos blaming them when they fuck up normally i can't do that cause I'm too focused on the game but with ivern i get to play autopilot very chill jungler imo they underestimate you but with daisy and shit tons of shield id say hes fine

[@kroneexe]

Not support jungler. Enchanter jungler. Support is a role, enchanter is a class.

[@walkelftexasranger]

The man who's name Germans can't spell...The man himself - Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz

[@KDPhilosophy]

As an Ivern main...I felt that.

[@flashbrother349]

A nice “buff” to Ivern could be to not let Daisy die when he dies. She doesn’t have to be controllable. Just let her aa like Shacos clone when he dies.

[@flameofmage1099]

I've always wanted that

[@lordsnia2152]

yes yes yES YESSS!!!! he really need this "buff"

[@davidarenas2500]

that's basicly tft ivern

[@wraith6233]

Make daisy like tibbers

[@ohitsjustme.890]

Like Yoricks Maiden right? Or does maiden die?

[@youraveragegrandma568]

“Ivern is the only jungle enchanter” Pretty sure Yuumi is the premier jungler right now

[@felwraithgaming]

Shhh, stop it. You'll give people like me too many ideas.

[@Local_commentor]

More like ur getting reported 9x time every game

[@Xanderqwerty123]

Perma-ban any% speedrun wr when?

[@youraveragegrandma568]

@@Local_commentor tfw you’re too good both teams think you cheated

[@Local_commentor]

@@tiredwithpeoplesshxt1284 ohh yeah Morgana I really hate playing Darius jg or mordekaiser and she Perma roots me

[@JustAguy006]

Ivern can be replaced by other enchanters and his playstyle is way different like Singed in the top lane. If you wanna learn how to play the green father, you gotta commit to playing him, or else you will int. But I like his personality, so wholesome and shouldn't be in League.

[@Mossymushroomfrog18]

Just give Ivern his own game

[@Juxsin]

If you get some Ap (stronger shields, damage, TANKIER daisy) and learn to micro daisy like another player (like learn to Orb walk and kite with Ivern and Daisy simultaneously) then you effectively got a tank and an enchanter. Also daisy go Boom with AP don't sleep on it.

[@TheAngelRaven]

@@Juxsin Ivern was designed to buy support items. When the solution is to play then in a way that wasn't the intent, that's terrible game design.

[@Juxsin]

@@TheAngelRaven but when I play him like this it feels right. Honestly feel like I play daisy more than Ivern. Daisy focused gameplays is what I dont see people do, idk if ita because it's hard for them to use 2 characters but once you do he feels so different. If you're willing to humor a low ego player, my youtube has old ivern gameplay but my the last game in my account was full AP i felt OP.

[@hainguyn948]

@@TheAngelRaven yes, just like Shyvanna

[@Fushur7]

i had to think about this guy who made a whole Power Point Presentation for his teammates on how to play with an Ivern when you talked about people not knowing how to play with him seems to be a legit problem ^^ Great Video

[@wyjebnik2zuk148]

s/o jamican banana, one time my teammate read it and doesnt pick lucian mid, but it hapend once for like 60 games

[@onlymage9572]

It's Jamican Banana, #1 NA Ivern Challenger

[@not_manuele6046]

Ok I need that PowerPoint for my ranked games

[@bulletcola7890]

Simple, he's not a Carry in a role that can heavily influence a match, and is too unique to be a secondary pick for Jungle.

[@Pocket_Shield]

I really love Ivern. He's such a great champion. It is so chill to play this guy. You can calm down, listen to the ambience of leagues jungle, greet every camp, smile and just have a great time. Of course i cant forget the occasional attack from a wild animal also known as the enemy jungler. What you do there of course is disengage slowly, remain eye contact and if they engage on you heavily, try to minorly subdue it. If it continues being aggressive and won't stop? Call your friends.

[@ajeb7207]

What does ivern do to the camps, did he let them free? cause when i look in the damage charts i have over 300k true damage😂

[@Ghilannugs]

Same, except I play Ivern mid and that shit is INTENSE 100% of the time

[@larswolter2121]

I love that comment. It just perfectly describes Ivern in the most wholesome way

[@onlymage9572]

@@ajeb7207 LMAO same wtf. I telling myself where did i get that SHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@derpderpson8796]

Candyking makes it even more chill for me :D

[@Kfo221]

Ivern's best line when daisy kills someone: "Don't play possum! Daisy hates possum!"

[@onlymage9572]

Woah! Is this a joke? I never heard of that

[@Kfo221]

@@onlymage9572 its pretty rare!

[@Cedrof]

Honestly, I just want Ivern to be able to set the camps free and whoever roams into river is just jumped by the entire enemy side Jungle

[@jerryturgin6583]

That would be so funny and super fun but it would cause so many issues so riot would never do it

[@conejitorosada2326]

Imagine just in a team fight and Ivern dies, Nearly all of the Monster camps just starts jumping/attacking the enemy until Ivern respawns

[@TBPetitP]

@@jerryturgin6583 Sounds way more reasonable that making a champion that turns into the champions he kills, and they did it anyway....

[@jerryturgin6583]

@@TBPetitP yeah, this was pre every new champ needing 900 hotfixes on release to work properly thh

[@TwitterVS]

I love playing Ivern but my biggest issue with him is that he can't solo dragon or herald pre-6 also I love his playstyle (support jungler) but I get bored of spamming him sometimes. I wish riot would make another support jungler, maybe with an ability similar to old Nunu W

[@jimy5086]

Bowblax

[@floodedmars8126]

you can actually do nautilas jungle btw, it's off meta but it can work. And morgana is still really fun

[@joaojahnke9684]

Well, you can kinda treat Zac, Nunu and other tanks as "support junglers", but not enchanters, tho

[@neveahphillips5610]

This is how I feel about non-carry junglers, I stopped playing Nunu in solo queue simply because I can’t place that trust into my laners, I can get them fed quite easily with Nunu but unless it’s a premade with a friend who I know will perform well it’s just not worth it.

[@onlymage9572]

That's true that you can't solo drag at pre 6 but if your team understands how to play with you it's gonna be ok with them because it's just the first drag :>

[@juderamsaywak7381]

personally i think one of the best things about ivern is how he is one of the best junglers at invading, the fact that he can go into a jungle camp over the wall, create a grove, immediately smite it and just be on his way is something completely unique to him and really helps his weak early game by setting back the enemy jungler a red or blue buff

[@meatballgames]

Blitz pulls enemy red/blue, bam Ivern smite steals. So satisfying

[@rike971]

Ivern is like Aurelion Sol : too unique to be played by everyone. Being a Jungler and a enchanter at the same time doesn't help when the most popular champs are ninjas, samurais and assassins in general. Also Ivern doesn't like killing monsters unlike any other jungler and isn't good early-game.

[@halcyonflo0r952]

Damn and here i am that i main both of them mainly a sol as jungle is my secondary. That makes me extra extea unique 🥴🥴🥴

[@Juxsin]

Imagine if ivern abilities attract jungle camp to attack his target.

[@ezekielshorizon6]

@@Juxsin I feel like I've seen that somewhere before..

[@TBPetitP]

I think the meta is now to much assassain focussed for a champion like Ivern to work, cause he gets counterplayed so hard on early jungle agression, but that's because Riot has made unbalanced assassains, that dont have the weaknesses of traditional assassains, so people spam them everywhere.

[@lvberger]

too true tbh, i main ivern support and asol lmao. one is ridiculously strong in early game and the other might as well be afk, hard to adapt to but incredibly fun

[@RoyTheRabbi]

I always thought it'd be cool if the camps Ivern set up his groves on would fight alongside him while he's in their range. Would really match with the whole friend of the forest theme and might help with early game as it'd be a lot harder to invade a controller if his entire living jungle is defending him.

[@lolosh99]

I honestly love that idea.

[@Phantom1165]

Ivern main here, camps don't attack Ivern so if the enemy jungler invades you on your blue or some other camp, they only attack the enemy jungler. It's like a 2v1 or even a 3v1 with daisy!

[@CedroEscarlate]

Thank you! Never thought on doing that. Gotta use that frog for something...

[@enoshrs]

@@Phantom1165 Ivern main here, you don't need to get invaded if YOU are the invader (and I'm usually am lol). Ivern is simply broken when it comes down to counter jungle, he also has a good dps on 1v1 on the early levels with red buff if you manage to keep your distance. I always take 3 buffs at the start of the game due to how easy it is for Ivern to steal, but yeah, to do so I usually avoid the enemy jungler to keep applying pressure where they can't defend. As for the late game, Ivern and Daisy are basically a brick wall that stops anyone trying to get to the ad carry. I usually build around it. 1st item: Mobility boots as soon as possible to wander through the jungle easily and apply pressure/steal camps 2nd item: Moonstone - This healing has already saved a lot of games 3rd item - If the game is easy, Redemption. If an enemy is troublesome - likely an Irelia - Anathema Chains into them and they can't even get close anymore. The rest is situational.

[@MichaelChevy]

Lol that’s a great ide

[@Mmoll1990]

I love Ivern. He was actually pretty good early this season when they buffed him, but due to high level play, they nerfed him again. -___-

[@sunnydargonnel]

Reason why I hate proplay number 20145

[@Snazzysnail15]

@@sunnydargonnel well I think that it’s not fair in this case since Ivern is designed to be a team play champion, so if he’s strong he’s gonna be really strong in the best coordinated teams.

[@123hattan]

Hence Riot does not want you to play niche champs. Very funny.

[@kabalan20]

"...If Ivern's ultimate was strong enough to be a legitimate threat..." Someone hasn't seen the clip where Tyler1 kills a full HP Pantheon with only Daisy

[@TheAngelRaven]

Exceptions are not the rule.

[@LaatiMafia]

NA doesn't count. Even AP Yorick works there :P

[@d4s0n282]

I mean, early levels, daisy is fucking scary as hell

[@lordsnia2152]

ironically my biggest carry ever was with Ivern in season 9. i had an inting/dcing Renekton top and bad bot laners. i stalled the game to 40 minute mark and yet somehow won the game when we had lost top lane fully. really proud of that game. i was so fed, i solo double killed split pushers in top. finished with 12/2/20 KDA.

[@CheaterCodes]

Just had an 8/0/14 game with Ivern last night. After the first two ganks I knew, yep, this is a Mejais game. It feels so good to dish it out with this calm champ once in a while.

[@lordsnia2152]

@@CheaterCodes cheers🍻🍻

[@maddog_majima9553]

I'm new to the game and I played against this guy for the first time. When I saw him walking like that and fast I thought he was trolling me. But after killing his last words hurt me so bad that I felt bad for killing him (kinda like nunu and willump). So idk maybe riot was aiming for pity from enemy jungler?

[@khadajhin]

Pity in league is rare

[@lucykitsune4619]

"Ivern is the only support Jungler" My dumbass playing Leona Jungle: Wut?

[@XTeam49]

I would say Nautilus jgl as well but tbh he is a former JGL and top laner that went to support cuz of his CC; so doesn’t really count.

[@tatodziadekpl4289]

Me playing Yuumi jungle: FEAR THE BOOK OF UNDYING MYSERY

[@carbonbeaker409]

@Technophilius Pulcherax *coughs in Bungle in The Jungle*

[@shadowling77777]

@@XTeam49 naut was always a support wym..

[@XTeam49]

@@shadowling77777 He was actually a top laner/Jungle when he was released and until around 2017 people stopped playing him in the top lane. Take it from a former Nautilus main!

[@royaltyfreerat]

As someone who's second most played Jg is Ivern I just like him cause he's goofy and the playstyle just comes naturally after a few games

[@khanhduongmacgia2662]

3:00 Disclaimer: This is true except for the krugs camp. Ivern can only get gold and exp from the original large and medium krugs, hence it's common for Ivern players to just skip that camp during their clear.

[@thatoneritardando]

Known as the cursed camp by the community, the actual numbers are 36% of the gold and 27% of the xp for anyone wondering

[@Kfo221]

@@thatoneritardando come on riot...

[@arthuremo112]

Oh yeah, i remember Tyler1 talking about that. It's not even worth wasting time and literal heath to do that camp.

[@White-oq4sf]

@@thatoneritardando That's the gold and exp you're missing or the gold and exp you're getting by clearing that camp with Ivern?

[@theireckus9298]

@@White-oq4sf probably what you lose from the small krugs that you cant get, cause theyre saying you dont get any gold and xp except from the big and medium ones

[@EnriqueOrange]

ivern is pretty loggers, thanks for the video! Been waiting for it for such a long time lol

[@danielgarrison7208]

I know a full AP ivern player who actually lands a lot of solo kills at first scuttle

[@OtterPirate]

Ivern is just so calming and a vibe to play, just mute all, and just vibe with his voice lines in the jg

[@TheAngelRaven]

Daisy should be like Maiden: Last until she dies or until Ivern dies.

[@TwitterVS]

this is pretty much the case mid game. Daisy lasts 60 secs and it's easy to get the cooldown below that with how much cdr you build on him

[@TheDancerMacabre]

@@TwitterVS with Staff of Flowing Waters, you can pretty much have it up the entire time. Just shield someone and then Ult.

[@immanuelganzentspannt]

I (as a masochistic support main) am really intruiged. guess I'll give ivern a try

[@gamegaloo]

Masochists gang plays rammus regularly. You should try him too

[@TheDancerMacabre]

Supp/ADC Main piping up: Ivern is my go-to jungle pick. Not because he's amazing, but it makes Jungle tolerable for me. No crazy kiting, routes, worry about counter jungled. You just mark your camps, and take them out, smite if you have to hurry. Items are pretty much the same (I like Moonstone and Flowing Waters because of Daisy) The only thing I hate is not having a Sightstone which is only tied to support items now. I lose more often than I win with him, but I hate myself a little less when I'm autofilled Jungle and no one wants to swap

[@DougBartonLHS]

Main thing is to understand you need melee champs to E. Also, his auto is amplified when he is in the brush.

[@plasmyth5501]

I remember I tried ivern once, mostly because I loved how wholesome his character was and how fun it seemed to not have to worry about fighting camps. But every game I played ( around 3-5 games) team fights at drag or herald were always a disaster, and lead to the whole team falling behind and losing in the first ten minutes. Honestly i mostly blamed the champ for that back then because he felt so weak and helpless when ever ANYONE on the enemy team picked me in a fight to kill. I ended up losing ever game I played with him, but I actually do remember having fun at some moments of the game. Ganking took some getting used to with his kit but it was fun for the most part, (if my laner took advantage of my kit that is) I honestly think I might try him again after watching this video reminded me of him. But like Vars said he’s really not a good pick into what’s popular lately. So I prob won’t try anytime soon.

[@TBPetitP]

For what I've heard, it seems he really needs something to get better at Herald and Dragon.

[@sethcrawford5107]

The answer to that is champions. In a perfect world, what you want is to gank bot lane, kill their ADC, and ask for assistance, and have people on the dragon. If enemy mid and Jng come, than mid would come dow and it would still be a 3v4, better odds than full of fighting. If that doesn’t help, here’s a tip, place two bushes at the mouth of the dragons caves. Enemy can’t see you, or dragon unless they place a ward. And if they do try to fight, root them, pile on, and turn it into a 2v4. If enemy Jng is on drag, have Daisy go in and attack it. The combination of Dragon’s damage will definitely hurt, and force him to back.

[@RavenAurion]

They could make it so the jungle camps actually become his friends and follow him around for a period of time so he is less vulnerable in the jungle when by himself. Can make them refuse to enter lanes and run away when allies are nearby.

[@Jayfeather4x]

Finally My main

[@savannah5325]

Great video as usual, Vars ♥️ 🌱 I’ve been looking forward to this one!

[@gelcube7914]

Finally been waiting to see my main on this series, I knew it was only a matter of time lmao

[@jeremiahcyrusbarut4372]

The whole thing with ivern being not popular is the fact that he doesn’t fit the aggressive vibe junglers give off I’m not saying all junglers are aggressive but I’m not gonna lie and say all my jungler friends I play never at least went full on full aggressive speed running vibes whilst me and the rest of my team was quietly laning The whole thing with ivern is that you shouldn’t being aggressive or try to go mad man the whole game, you literally have to have the most chillest jungle play style in order to play him properly as a jungler… Which at this point *Is impossible*

[@Pocket_Shield]

I have spent quite alot of time on ivern and I have to say that playing him nowadays is having a vacation with the occasional attack from a wild animal, also known as your enemy jungler. If no one ever invades you its literally the best thing ever.. calming, non stressful and purified peace.

[@CheaterCodes]

Last night I lost 3 games in a row really badly trying to learn a new champ (Taliyah). My mood wasn't great, but next game I played Ivern and it only took a minute for me to smile at this tree man. Such a positive character! Also the game ended 8/0/14, so good times were had.

[@chinocoffee9565]

I don't think Ivern is the chillest jg to play. Ivern doesn't have a fast clear speed so he needs to find chance to steal camps and gank instead of keep farming and do nothing.

[@Pocket_Shield]

@@chinocoffee9565 once you know how to clear you actually realize stealing camps (especially early) is rather bad. You dont do it before you're like lvl 11+

[@CheaterCodes]

@@Pocket_Shield i dunno, i love stealing blue buff lvl 1. but yeah, i don't invade much most of the game. you usually sert up your camps, gank once or twice, goi pick up your camps. or you just back isntead of ganking. but I mean, ganking is the fun part!

[@Skoll1470]

I have to say, I follow you for about a year now and your videos are always super well made, but the thing I love the most about them is your music choice ! Myster Dungeon OSTs got you my respect

[@RemonyWhisp]

Bro, when i started the game, a few months ago, I mained (after some failures with other champs) Taliyah, and discovered your channel and the "Why no One Plays", and so the episode on Taliyah. Then I played Rakan and you made a video about him. Then I played Ivern, and now you've made a video about him, are you trying to tell me something Vars ? Great video, as always, keep it up :D

[@krzysztofcwik3793]

I think that he mean by that you are nobody.

[@gamegaloo]

It means you do not belong to league. Get out while you can and save yourself from the toxic community

[@x-raypajamas6761]

Vars Classic incoming, I played Ivern to gold this season. I have loved this champion since I first started playing league in season 7, his play style always fascinated me. 200k mastery points later and I play nothing besides him. I love seeing more videos cover champs like the green father.

[@Rendal_l]

My friend is a main ivern and I'm a mid Akali main, honestly having an ivern in my team is so fun, but yeah I'm an assasin player so I'll probably never play the tree man

[@samueljackson8492]

Ivern is one of my mains and favorite champs. I know his weaknesses and I absolutely agree that touching up the health loss on camps would make him feel so much better. I love the idea of an attack speed buff on daisy when you triggerseed them. I loved to go into ranked duos with my top buddy and we would invade the enemy jungle lvl 1 and I would steel their buff and be back to mine without losing any time or health

[@julianstalk1334]

as a rengar main, i would love if ivern was played often. his bushes actually help me.

[@norscout3031]

I got super rekt one time by a rengar/ivern bot lane. I still have nightmares

[@TBPetitP]

Wow, that sounds like a heavy counter that should not be. Rengar should not be able to jump from bushes made by his enemies....

[@LostSquire]

Honestly, just yesterday I was talking to the friends that I play with about 'What should I do?' I'm a support main. I spam Soraka, Sona, and Leona every game. But I've been wanting to leave support, not behind, just, I wanna go to different lanes every once in a while. The way I chose to do that was Evelyn Jungle, which changed to Kindred jungle *cause Eve is rather bad ngl* But even then, I know my friends dislike me playing jungle cause I'm a handicap. I'm not comfortable there. It's not that I don't know how to jungle. I can clear camps fast, and I help with ganks, relieving pressure, etc, etc. I just..don't know how to kill. I want to roam the map and support every lane. I want a fully legitimate support Jungler. But Ivern...doesn't do what I want to do. He doesn't relieve lane pressure, he helps with mid-late game team fights. Every role is technically covered, but not Enchantress jungle. And I do legitimately feel that if there were more hard-focused Supports in the jungle, people would be a little more agreeing to seeing them. One of Ivern's problems is that he stands completely alone on his strange pillar of sand. If someone were out there to stand with him, people would pay a little more attention.

[@davidekpo408]

omds! i feel your pain. I just started the game and I want to be jungle main. Ive been playing hacarim, lilia mainly. however, I've been wanting to get into more hyper carry type junglers like nidalee, fiddle but I just cant seem to get killing down. I gank well I think, I even make it easy on my self by playing hacarim cuz he is very good at ganking but I cant seem to get fed consistently. i watched a game of graves jungle with a full lethality build(whatever lethality is) but I don't think id be able to pull him cuz he actually requires u to get kills as a carry but I clearly have a prob with that sigh... sorry for the long rant:0

[@okidoxb4846]

Ivern can relieve lane pressure, it depends on ur camp rotation and gank timing/planning. He gets strong in the mid-game sure. But many iverns ik suggest to look for ganks immediately at lv 2. Take Q, The route is to place groves from 1 side of the jg to the other always skipping 1-2 camps, and smite the buff in the side of the jg you end up on, then take E. Then u start relieveing pressure by camping or rotating lanes until ur camps r ready. Keep watching Ivern vids u might not be playin him right. But there's other supps u can play in the jg like Naut or Taric (and Taric is 50% Enchanter). You could try Rek'sai she can be played as a sort of early game support who focuses on CC'ing the enemy and getting her allies fed. If all else fails ivr nvr lost a game where all i did was counter jg and farm my own jg with her.

[@MoktavZ]

I recently start playing him, and i love him so much the gameplay is just so fun, unique and refreshing from playing average jungler champion.

[@Lin_Nascimento]

"There's no other controllers in the jungle". May I present you blitz jungle

[@andrewabbate9917]

As someone who learned jungle through ivern I can confirm I know how to play ivern…..not jungle

[@krust4649]

About the damaging shields, I'd count Diana's W as well which is funny because the mechanic is now given to a Controller in Ivern, a Tank in Sion and Diana as an Assassin/Slayer

[@aimin6469]

"ivern will never be meta" Ardent Censer in 2017: Allow me to introduce myself

[@onlymage9572]

Also MoonStaff meta :>>

[@isaiahkern9434]

What if ivern could shield monsters in the jungle? Incase say someone tries to invade iverns camp. And he needs just that little more time to snag it. Putting a shield as a friend of the Forest on a neutral camp would definitely be interesting

[@MyronZhang]

For some reason, I'm convinced that Vars' favourite word is 'Conversely'.

[@VarsVerum]

I thought my favorite word was “former and latter”. We changing it up now?

[@a.arrondel6379]

I think that it's your favorite word to hear him say xD

[@MyronZhang]

@@VarsVerum I guess it's up to you to determine that.

[@LabRatz-Ivor]

"you cant carry a game on ivern" Nickyboi would like to have a word

[@ImperiumofRat]

I feel all these "why noone plays" could be fixed by just slowing down the game a little bit

[@thewolf7668]

I think the game is 40% faster right now compared to previous seasons. They added a lot of ways to get gold/exp and they're adding a lot more next season. 6 items at 15mins will probably be the norm soon.

[@ImperiumofRat]

@@thewolf7668 I think just removing the gold from plating would help so much and encourage roaming in soloqueue for plates, this would sadly devalue herald but that can be dealt with

[@thewolf7668]

@@ImperiumofRat the platings were put there just because there was too much roaming. I don't think thats it.

[@d4s0n282]

@@thewolf7668 whats happening nexat season? Ihave no idea and have not heard anything about season 12

[@ImperiumofRat]

@@thewolf7668 I thought it was there to slow down the destruction of towers so early so they can roam for free, of the remove the gold it will surely lead to more roaming but now they can be more punished

[@MathieuHaas68]

To make his ultimate really strong, just allow him to proc Ardent Censer on Daisy so she will get a good attack speed, oh and yes rework her AI. All Ivern's kit is fine, except his ultimate

[@oc6441]

It s sad how the only two mages in the jungle are actually midlaners who became so obsolete that they were pushed out of their original lane and ended up in the jungle... just to be forgotten again even in there

[@crazyandlazylikemad]

There are a more mages in the jungle than the 2 he mentioned

[@dlcyKing]

@@crazyandlazylikemad the only one that can be considered a mage jungler that wasn't mentioned is rumble and that under heavy debate. Most mage mains don't recognise rumble as a mage at all, less so than even vladimir. While toplaners , the negative iq monkeys they are, claim he is a mage.

[@oc6441]

@@crazyandlazylikemad there are no traditional mages in the jungle, as in designed to be played inside of the jungle. Other ap jungle champs do not strictly belong to the mage cathegory, Nidalee and elise play mostly like assassins and lillia is more a bruiser or skirmisher than anything else

[@HeyoImKaGo]

just saw this in reccomended after playing and carrying with as ivern happy to see any attention for my fav champ

[@aeros4888]

It surprise me the fact that it took so much time for Ivern to get a video in "Why no one plays".I mean, he is LITERALLY the definition of "Why NO ONE plays" series :p

[@Kyezie131]

Did you not watch the start of the video? It's literally because Exil already made a video like that

[@aeros4888]

@@Kyezie131 The comment was posted even before the video got published.

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

I'll just say this now. Ivern is absolutely hilarious when playing support bottom lane and you have a friend who is good with Rengar. Its just such a fun cheese lane. I shouldn't need to explain why covering your lane with brushes is a wet dream for Rengar. Also unsealed spellbook rune is fun on him to. So you can steal the enemy jugnle buffs around level 5 by swapping to smite. Also helps your jungler with dragon control. Definitely not something i'd pull off in ranked. But its a great way to screw around in normals with friends.

[@DaddyShegz]

Spellbook Ivern jungle can be nuts too. No one expects the exhaust or tp ganks.

[@westenev]

Vars - "Let's Normalise support junglers" Riot - Soraka: Q (starfall) has received a 200% damage buff to monsters. Be careful of what you ask...

[@MettatexYT]

Vars I completely forgot about this Mystery Dungeon theme thanks so damn much for reminding me of it

[@mjul7003]

Sejuani jungle is forever my baby. She's my favorite. Even though she's a tank, she does quite a bit of damage and has a LOT of playmaking potential. Needless to say, teams love to have me.

[@SeismicWhales]

Sejuani is fun. I haven't tried playing her AP but I had one Sejuani go AP and she did a ton of damage. I'm still working on getting better at her so I just go tank for now.

[@mjul7003]

@@SeismicWhalesAP Sejuani is a fun build for norms but very noticeably worse than just building tank. Worth trying though.

[@d4s0n282]

@@mjul7003 looks at peken who ran it in high elo recently lol

[@mjul7003]

@@d4s0n282 Just because one person succeeded with it doesn't make it as good as the standard build. Recall that AP Alistar has beaten DoubleLift's ass before, it's still not a good build.

[@d4s0n282]

@@mjul7003 im saying thats its pretty viable, sure not the best, but not the worst,

[@xdrago1051]

All I need to make me want to play ivern is 2 things, make his early game better because me being at 30 hp by the end of my clear never feels good and make him able to fight something (not alone, with daisy) because as is you just have to tiptoe around the opponent for 30 seconds to get them somewhat low

[@bielhelp]

They could just remove the "you need to go something else while you passive do the camp for you" with just instakilling the camp, after all everyone have an fast jungle clear in those days, why should ivern be the slowest?

[@seppeindahouse4359]

lmao that would be so absolutely broken. Makes his full clears always less than a minute and then he can spam gank while also benefitting from insane amounts of farm. Ivern is meant to get less gold since hes balanced around building support items, which are cheaper

[@Hayonhead]

I main Ivern, and I can say why I play him. His gameplay is so... chill. You just walk around jg, clicking on camps then using Q to swiftly click on the next camp. He's voicelines and movements are also so calming. It's just... weirdly different from everyone else/

[@reptilez5798]

what if ivern figths against the enemy and there are no allies around and is in his side of the jungle the camps respawn to attack the enemy like malzahar minions? to make his early a bit more easy

[@chadwick196]

Or what if Friend of the Forest made camps his... friends? Like, while maturing or even fully matured before he targets them again, they have buffed health and attack and will target enemies that target Ivern? Idk, seems like it could be abusable, but "fun"?

[@hacimstar130]

that would be interesting since uk the jg monsters are his friends. by the power of friendship xd

[@reptilez5798]

@@hacimstar130 i mean wont you help ur friend if a blind monk is kicking his ass

[@reptilez5798]

@@chadwick196 maybe the camps could scale off his mana rather than ap to keep his support jg aestetic

[@chadwick196]

@@reptilez5798 oooh, I like it. I wasnt even thinking about scaling, mostly just how to improve his early game and help him against invades. But the mana scaling would help tie him over to the mid game!

[@normalostrich6250]

The main problem is that the only mode that is considered serious is one where nobody knows how to play with him. Ranked flex feels amazing as Ivern if you have a group. I do play Ivern in solo q and can usually rely upon my allies to do well enough to carry if I focus helping the right people. If you need to know a matchup, ask the Ivern main as they will always know who wins the matchup because they need to know who to help in every game. The main sentiment that most junglers need is that you never gank a losing lane, but Ivern does the opposite of the common jungle knowledge.

[@cooperlongstocking8041]

I personally love Ivern. He has been my favorite champion ever since his release. I get why people dislike him although, he is super fun to play even while losing. You can just chill and help your team from the back line and let the carries do your things like Vars said. Speaking of, btw I love your content. Keep doing what you are doing bro!

[@lolosh99]

Between “Play” and “Ivern” there is a gap Does this indicate a jungle gap?

[@quirkybubbaa]

As someone who plays Ivern I think the bigger issue in his kit has to be bush placing. Out of all the abilities he has, bush placing seems about on par with fiddlesticks ward replacement. I think Ivern could benefit with his ears trinket being replaced with his bushes with a few tweaks, while the hole in his kit filled with a new ability to make his gameplay more interesting or interactive

[@naturescall2002]

When I started playing League of Legends in December 2020, Ivern were the first champion I bought, since I liked his design (appereance, not playstyle) I played him as a support and he brought me to playing the jungle role :3. Now I can play Lillia, Sejuani, Ivern and my speciality, Tahm Kench jungle.

[@rafaelamuro2780]

My path was exactly the same as yours, except my jungle mains are Sejuani and Skarner

[@harukatohsaka5441]

You should try Udyr

[@letstec]

I've been trying to play Ivern since preseason 11 but the most common problem I've seen, was that my team mates didn't understand my abilities. I cleared the blue and left it's buff for my midlaner but unstead of taking it, he ported back into base, bought items, died on lane and then flamed me for not giving him blue. Alot of people especially ADCs were trying to help me by leashing, but didn't understand that I don't need help. After the third time in a row I literally wrote "Playing Ivern don't need help Lv1" at the beginning of the game. It sucks thar in low elo the reason you are loosing is because your team doesn't know your champion.

[@maryloucastillon]

Hey Vars! I would like to hear your opinions on other Moba's like Dota 2,Smite,Overwatch,etc. It would be really cool. 🙂

[@ctgx7735]

Umm,I dont think Overwatch counts as a moba

[@TheFoolishnoob]

I would personally love to see more support like champions in the jungle. Jungle should technically be the only role where almost any champion can fit.

[@libraryofpangea7018]

I've been interested to see him come to wild rift, his play style sounds intriguing

[@benvanbreugel9531]

Just play him on pc tho?

[@goblin8557]

I've never actually gone against an Ivern yet... but I've played with a few. I quite like having him on my team

[@vvav]

There's not much reason for Ivern to be in the game when Riot is trying to turn LoL into a 1v9 game. The game snowballs harder than ever with all the changes to gold income and early game objectives, and all the new characters are solo queue champions that snowball into solo carrying the game. Riot realized that the largest portion of their playerbase just hates playing around their team in this team game, so the game is moving away from champions like Ivern.

[@Snazzysnail15]

This comment feels so validating to read

[@tuankhangcaonguyen5545]

Everyone want to be a main character in the anime. But the supporting characters are the true chads of the anime :D

[@starmstrong2062]

The team part rarely ever works with total strangers.

[@tuankhangcaonguyen5545]

@@starmstrong2062 not really as a sp player who always play enchanter. I always go around the map to help around the map and it works most of the time. Buffing ur midlaner or sometimes top laner 1 time as a surprise attack is very easy

[@JustBeary]

I love ivern, hes my second favorite jungler to play. I was a support main until i got tired of adcs being toxic or bad. I play nunu jungler or shen top but ivern is such a vibe

[@jameskahre8488]

I literally never been annoyed bye playing against Ivern lol It's probably because I like playing long range mages I didn't know

[@NeuroNinjaAlexander]

"Ivern can't be left alone very well" Bruh, have you ever been counter jungled by an Ivern before? That shit is absolutely MADDENING! Dude gets like 400 CS in a 20 minute game effectively making it 4v5 lmao. And after looking at the replay, he wasn't even full clearing, his team were taking quite a few of his camps which helped them grow faster too! Lastly, I get very happy when I see an Ivern on my team. Dude is so fun to play around and I barely ever lose with one. I think last year I had like a 80% win rate with them or something stupid like that. Love that guy lol

[@sandeepsp37]

A jungler support

[@JuChEmma]

Says enough

[@infinitels5304]

Me who just got done collecting footage for an Ivern video: 0_0

[@minuanolol]

:(

[@actular7591]

I love ivern, he is genuinely one of my favorite champs. I have a hard time playing normal junglers so playing ivern is super difficult for me

[@karelhoniger4319]

I am Ivern main and I can tell that no one knows how to play with him, its sometimes frustrating so I had to use a presentation, that some Ivern main did, and it realy helped. Like I said, playing him is sometimes frustrating, but wondering in jungle, taming the camps, linstening to spotify is a beautiful thing, and then helping others enjoy the game too. And for some buffs I would suggest that he could use the tamed camps in his favour, like if he gets invaded they could fight for him or something like that. Great video by the way

[@fitmotheyap]

Your last idea is pretty cool,maybe empower them and let them fight for you(in doom bots if enemy had udyr monsters would attack you/your base iirc)

[@dextroier1]

You didn't mention that Ivern has a big issue: Krugs! Ivern doesn't get full exp and gold from krugs, only for the two first ones, and it makes Ivern be always on the edge if you misspath

[@zukiginagato2215]

3:45 "They have negative DPS" Oh gosh, I chuckled here, why was it so funny?

[@giantstingray]

As an incidental support main Ivern has made transitioning into jungle more comfortable. It seems he really is strongest when he builds support items. Say what you will about Rito, but lately they have been very ambitious when it comes to mixing roles and play styles. And yes. Ivern players don't need a level one leash, please and thank you. Please save your health and time for the lanning phase. Cookies will be ready at level 5!

[@adrienovigne3077]

Hey, Ivern main/former otp here, loved the video. But I completely disagree on the fact that ivern should play passively early on.usually, by the 10min mark, I know if the game is going to be a 40min struggle (bc ivern is really strong with good carries later on) or if it's going to be a 15-20min win. You have so much potential to impact the whole game and completely stomp it if you get just a little bit ahead (daisy is so strong for objectives/pushing towers, it's actually ridiculous). And with the unusual clear ivern has, you can do ganks on timings where their laners have no idea what's coming their way. I guess a lot of ivern players have a different opinion than me, I learned to play that way watching mattheos' videos 2-3years ago and I loved playing the champ :)

[@mitchellcooper8103]

Tbh my problem with Ivern is that Daisy's so hard to control. I'll be sitting in a bush and she'll run out like a mad lad and run towers down. She needs to chill.

[@shaydesofblue2281]

Women.😆😆😆

[@Maydupnem777]

One thing that hit me hard about ivern was tyler1 talking about healing in the jungle. Among the meta junglers, the only one not fighting any of the camps has the least healthy clear

[@TheDancerMacabre]

It's pretty simple way to buff him. Make his early games clear even faster and cost less resources at the expense of late game power (just number tweaks) Make him a non dueling counter jungler. While this sounds completely broken, it would hamper carry junglers that need fast clears in order to gank and assassinate. You hamper them, you alleviate pressure on the map as the enemy jungler needs to farm. The carry junglers will still be able to clear a camp with an ability or two at level 4+ (while Ivern will still have to wait the 12-16 seconds) but just that speed bump can help. Either that or have him take reduced damage (and deal increased damage) to epic monsters so he can have some objective control without his ult.

[@ingamrvr]

Far as I'm concerned people can pick whatever they want, just make it work. Had Morde support last week. I didn't say a thing, and didn't have to, he did just fine. He made it work.

[@jeanegreene374]

I think another big part of Ivern is that people pick him up, but don’t know how to pilot him in fights, so they’re often working at 1/2 damage in fights (either not kiting with W passive), or they don’t know how to micro Daisy in between autos to increase the number of attacks she gets off. Thus, he feels really weak to them (even though he’s ridiculously strong). Also, Ivern completely annihilates “Predatory Junglers”. Aside from Rek’sai, he has positive winrates versus every single one. His weakness is Teamfight Tanks like Sej, Zac, and Jarvan, since he can’t output the same DPS at that stage of the game. Early Ivern LOVES to 2v2 since his autos hit like trucks.

[@nimric3348]

Ivern main here. He has a strong level 2 by that. Pink ward your jungle, Mark all your jungle on ther side, steal enemy buff, and then charge into lane from the backline while all other laners are level 1. Either free kill or set that lane behind while an ez 4 camp finishes for you in the background.

[@alexandermaxx]

Hey, great vid as always, I just wanted to say that what you said at 6:52 is kinda untrue imo, afk farming has been very prevalent (at least with kayn and graves players) with the pre-rework dark harvest. Think I've seen more top laners than junglers during that time lmao

[@emperorathos8058]

Vars: "The only reason no one plays him is just because he's not normal" Me who is not normal : "I should learn to play Ivern"

[@justamoogle5268]

The problem with Ivern is that he doesn't deal as much damage as other Enchanter and is less gimmicky. I say give him more combo mechanics that just spamming stuffs, Like if he's snare hit a bush everything inside the bush gets snared or when summoning Daisy it CC enemies.

[@jaunpaulcayanan5922]

1:51 aurelion sol was invisible but he's there in the middle.

[@lamanqo834]

Quick idea if ivern doesnot have a buff on him, his ult will spawn daisy i fe has a blue buff he will spawn a blue daisy that will regenerate mana same with red buff but red daisy would regenerate healt if ivern killed a dragon in the last 2 minutes he will spawn a dragon thats immune to knockups has the health amount of killed dragon and will airborn every enymy champion in the area when summoned like the dragon does when you first attack it

[@steffangls]

12:42 i remember going to a live performance of that song as a kid i gotta know the name

[@JIDE.O]

gotta say man, i love your content. such good stuff. keep it up

[@pinolo5736]

Hear me out. I am an actual Ivern player and I would say the Daisy problem could be solved by making permanent her initial speed buff, or at least longer. It adds pressure without adding too much solo carrying potential making this buff balanced for his kit. The only downside would be that some mad pro player could try to learn how to kite with Daisy. But gl with that

[@ryomathekillers7421]

I think what most people forget is that usually if you're the only good player on your team you're probably gonna loose anyways, people in soloq will always think they are the main character. (Buff jungle taric)

[@BlackPenzo]

I don't think Ivern needs that many changes just a way to deal with solo jungling. 1. don't stop his camp conversion by damage because that means any enemy can always steal his camps, 2. Let him smite untagged camps, not to kill but just to be able to heal if needed and 3. Give his W passive a massive boost against Monsters so he has a chance at drakes and herald

[@TheDonmayo]

Ivern is a great jungler, most people just don't know how to play him propperly. Also I think Leona also can be added to the group of champs with a damaging effect on her shield.