Why Ocean Liners are STRONGER & FASTER than Cruise Ships? Key Ocean Liner Differences Explained!

This video explains what makes a ship an Ocean Liner and how it differs from Cruise Ships. This applies to when you compare Queen Mary 2, QE2 or even the RMS. Titanic to modern cruise ships such as those in the fleet of Carnival Cruise Line or Royal Caribbean.
I am often asked the question: “what’s the difference between an ocean liner and a cruise ship?” - a fair question given the confusion caused by the terms often being incorrectly interchanged when referring to the world’s vast fleet of cruise ships.
The vast majority of ships offering cruise voyages today are cruise ships, designed to undertake pleasure voyages largely in coastal waters.
Ocean Liners, on the other hand, are passenger ships that are designed to regularly undertake a line voyage, sailing between point A and point B across an expanse of open ocean.
Perhaps the most iconic of these routes is the transatlantic crossing between North America and Europe; made famous by the great ships of Cunard Line, White Star, The United States Lines and Hamburg-Amerika.
However there have been hundreds of line voyage routes during the era of the ocean liner - linking countries across the globe. These include many famous routes such as Union Castle’s Britain to South Africa service, P&O’s voyages linking Europe to India, China and Australia as well as inter-Asia voyages and regular transpacific crossings - to name just a few!
What makes an Ocean Liner:
First, they feature a long bow: The bow on ocean liners - the area from the forward tip of the hull to the superstructure - is noticeably longer than on a cruise ship. Ocean Liner bows are designed to ensure the superstructure is protected from the waves experienced in the open ocean .
They have Strong Hulls: Ocean Liners are very strong, with steel noticeably thicker than that used aboard cruise ships. This is to ensure the ship is strong enough to withstand the heavy seas that it will experience in open ocean year after year.
Bridge set high atop the ship: Nearly all ocean liners from the 1880s onwards had their navigation bridge on or close to the top most deck. This is to ensure not only a good view over the long bow, but also to protect the navigation equipment and bridge officers from the weather.
The Lifeboat Location: Ocean Liners are subject to heavy seas, particularly during rough winter crossings. As such, the boat deck is usually near the top of the vessel’s superstructure, to protect the boats from high seas.
Their Speed: Ocean Liners are designed to undertake a scheduled, timely voyage. As such, ocean liners require more speed than cruise ships which are usually designed to meander at a more leisurely pace from port to port.
It is also important to note that there are a few ocean liners still in service. These include the CMV’s Marco Polo and CMV’s Astoria - both of which are popular with shipping enthusiasts.
Dual purpose liners were designed to undertake both functions. This includes Rotterdam, Oceanic, QE2 and Queen Mary 2.
These ships are ocean liners that have had cruising elements included in their original design.
Image References: Thanks to Andrew Sassoli-Walker, Rob Henderson, Alex Lucas and Patricia Dempsey who assisted with ship imagery. Other references include:
1. Carpathia: Commons License: bit.ly/2Vkd9qc
2. Titanic: Commons License: bit.ly/2V5G2aK
3. Imperator: Commons License: bit.ly/2Yom6C4
4. Great Western: Commons License: bit.ly/35s6G1d
5. Steam Ship Scene: Commons License: bit.ly/35j7DsK
6. Sirius: Commons License: bit.ly/2zL0BkF
7. Mauretania Bridge and Cargo: 'Tyne & Wear Archives' Flickr The Commons License: bit.ly/2W87DZL
8. Mauretania at Sea: 'Tyne & Wear Archives' Flickr Commons License: bit.ly/2W5maVZ
9. Turbine from Mauretania: 'Tyne & Wear Archives' Commons License: bit.ly/2zcGLhS
10. Britannia in Ice: Commons License: bit.ly/2W0zuKZ
11. Parsons Turbine: 'US Public Domain Tag': Commons License: bit.ly/3d7zAGm
12: Normandie: 'San Diego Air & Space Museum': Commons License: bit.ly/2xBuwey
13: Queen Mary Bridge: Altair78 “Share Alike”: bit.ly/2SyFZmi (derivative
work of Foremast): bit.ly/2L0dERz
14. Olympic: Commons License: bit.ly/3db6ypH
15. SS. United States: Commons License: bit.ly/2KOlfTj
16. Campania: Commons License: bit.ly/3c5M9BW
Fact References:

Fact Ref P1: Queen Mary 2: The Birth of a Legend, by Philip Plisson.
Facts: The Evolution of the Transatlantic Liner amzn.to/3aVpUNW
& A Photographic History of P&O Cruises, Henderson et.al.,: amzn.to/2Wvx7PI
Fact support from:
Andrew Sassoli-Walker (bit.ly/3d9oYHg), Patricia Dempsey (bit.ly/2WvGZc7, Stephen Payne (OBE).
Other:
Thumbnail photo: Andrew Sassoli-Walker.
Thumbnail Arrow: Kiddo via Adobe Spark / Creative Commons Attribution.
Music: KZbin Audio.
#cruiseline #cunard #history

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

⚠️ Update: A 6th point that I should have included is ocean liners usually have deeper drafts than cruise ships. This is the part of the ship below the waterline. QE2’s for example was 9.75m (32ft) which assisted in stability during the crossings.

[@celebrityxcruises8087]

Chris Frame Ocean liners are beautiful Better than a cruise ship

[@ianellison3334]

Great like your talks on borad

[@astromotive6047]

The 2 tone hulls. A white superstructure with a black hull.

[@mcallard911]

@@bagelq2028 Despite they are not ocean liner, must admit that DCL are themed just like you said : all time just classy

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Ian Ellison thank you 🙏

[@highlandmalt6368]

My mother sailed on QE1 in 1965 with my grandparents to New York from Southampton. They took their car with them on the ship, a 1963 Rolls Royce Silver Cloud III. When they arrived in New York the longshoremen were on strike and they had to pay a fee directly to the local representative of the Union in order to get the car off loaded. They then drove the car to Miami and back, and back to the UK on the QE. What a different era.

[@amandastanley2781]

What an amazing story! I hope you realise how lucky you are to have such wonderful family memories. ❤️

[@ErnestJay88]

In simple term : Ocean Liners could sail at any weather due to stronger hull, while cruise ship only sail at calm seas and not designed to sail at stormy weather.

[@Cowboy_Foradalei]

Did you know there are cruise ships that go to Antarctica?

[@ErnestJay88]

@@Cowboy_Foradalei there is some exception, just like "Icebreaker Cruise Ship" that's operate north of arctic circle.

[@conveyor2]

Cruise ships are built to handle hurricanes that hit the Caribbean often enough. Liners are meant to navigate rough water while maintaining a high speed.

[@audilover1912]

“What’s the difference between an ocean liner and a cruise ship?” Ocean liners were the peak of ship building,

[@Cowboy_Foradalei]

Yeah, sure, that's why they're not build anymore...

[@bremc666]

​@@Cowboy_Foradalei Yes, sailing capabilities of ocean liners (even with steam engine) surpass modern cruise ships. Ocean liners were replaced with planes and cruise ships are the destinacion.

[@baritonebynight]

@@bremc666 Thankfully we still have QM2 for those who us who find flying across the ocean to be a vile experience.

[@t.3465]

@@baritonebynight how many times have you flown transoceanic?

[@stephenwilliams1269]

Cunard liners are much more elegant than cruise ships which resemble housing estates on barges.

[@shakengrain1942]

Cruise ships look top-heavy, tipsy as well.

[@YoCatsGoMeow]

Yeah, cruise ships r basically very fat ocean liners

[@FriedShrimpYum]

Disney cruise lines ships are actually based off ocean liner designs like ss normandie

[@randomscb-40charger78]

I kinda wonder if cruise ships could be converted into ferries for high-demanding routes.

[@TheDankEngineer]

They *ARE* housing estates on barges. They just have their own propulsion and some special experiences onboard, the same you would find at any resort/hotel

[@stephenvincent7429]

Also, on board entertainment. Ocean liners are more sedate, more classy, for a more mature/enthusiast audience. Emphasis is on food and luxury. Think Luxury hotel. While cruise ships are on the bottom end, more catered for families, it's closer to a resort and are more family friendly with many activities like water slides, shows, etc. IN the olden days, it wasn't uncommon that children would eat half price, at a separate time/room than adults.This was to encourage a more adult atmosphere during dinner.

[@VickyRBenson]

I thought I remembered the separate dining for children from when I sailed on the Queen Mary when I was 6 and my brother was 5. Your comment confirms my memory.

[@lvthud]

While I agree with your point in principle, and in decades gone by you would probably be correct. I am going to say having sailed on a few luxury cruise liners and the QM2, the QM2 is out done by any luxury line when it comes to the food and luxury. I was lucky enough to do a few crossings on the QE2, that was something special, the QM2 is not in the special category. Honestly, if Princess and HAL had a child, it would be the QM2.

[@maggiehall9545]

I sailed on liners from 1958 till 1965 when ships were like buses my goodness we worked hard floating around the worlds oceans in what some said was no more than a tin can. I loved every minute.

[@toddkurzbard]

What's the difference between an ocean liner and a "cruise ship"? The ocean liner was a REAL ship.

[@generalsquirrel9548]

Yep cruiseships arent ships in my eyes

[@harrietharlow9929]

A cruise ship could never take the pounding oceans like the North Atlantic can hand out. That's why they cruise short duration and reasonably sheltered waters, along coasts, etc.

[@rishi-m]

@@harrietharlow9929 I'm not a fan of cruise ships, but it's essentially horses for courses, no one will regularly or even occasionally subject them to that pounding and hence they're not made that way...

[@35geordielad]

An ocean liner is built much stronger than a cruise ship and usually has a longer bow and tends to travel from A to B ie Southampton to New York. Cruise ships on the other had are designed much lighter and tend to have a shorter bow and travel to and from.a number of destinations. The QM2 is the only ship of her kind in the world today being an ocean liner.

[@Inspadave]

oCeAn LiNeRs ArE rEaL SHipS!

[@Quasihamster]

"How to identify an ocean liner? - They have thicker hulls." Ah, OK! Now where's my drill machine? Nope... that one was a cruiseship... now it's a submarine.

[@jamesjames3525]

Laser might do.

[@MultiMattman68]

Not only thicker hulls,ocean liners have a ROUNDED BOTTOM,NOT FLAT LIKE CRUISE SHIPS. A rounded bottom gives more stability

[@kevinxxx1387]

That was my reaction as well. Most people would not be able to discern a thicker hull, or a flat vs. rounded bottom. Other than that I found the video informative, and I enjoyed it.

[@johnmcgahern3946]

@@MultiMattman68 Okay then lets all tip it over so we can see.

[@generalsquirrel9548]

Lol XD

[@paulrainford2462]

The QM2 and Victoria are currently anchored in Weymouth bay Dorset U.K.

[@jonathanmack8487]

Nobody asked

[@allgaming4045]

Jonathan Mack it is always good to know and remember if it is not useful to you at this moment it could be later and even if it is not it is nice to know that at least you know something that a lot of people don’t Cherish your knowledge :)

[@VickyRBenson]

Thanks, Paul Rainford, I wondered where the QM2 was during this pandemic.

[@gaynor247]

So impressed with the speed and stability of QM2. The wind speeds were a similar to the ones on our P&O Christmas cruise (where half of our party were seasick) - but we barely noticed that we were moving at all on the QM2! Amazing! 💕

[@InventorZahran]

3:07 It's worth noting that the crew of the Sirius had to cut up their ship's masts and furniture to use as fuel when they ran out of coal. If her interior had been left undisturbed (as it would've been if there were passengers onboard), she would've had to finish the journey under sail power alone. The Great Western had enough fuel capacity to legitimately complete the entire crossing without relying on the wind at all.

[@VerilyVerbatim]

6:38 Having the lifeboats partly within the hull also means that, in the event that an evacuation is needed, passengers can get into the boats with minimal exposure to the outside conditions.

[@cafsixtieslover]

I did a cruise on the QM2 four years ago and was in fact due to go on her in May of this year and I am booked on her for May next year. I have also been on a lot of cruise ships and the atmosphere is completely different on the QM2. There is an air of elegance and time gone by which is completely absent on cruise ships, however lovely the décor.

[@georgemallory797]

I remember seeing NCL's "Norway" moored a couple miles offshore from Nassau back in the mid 1980's. It was originally the "France," a huge expensive ocean liner from the 1960's. It was so big that it drew too much water to moor with all the other cruise ships in the channel between Nassau and Paradise Island and had to use launch its tenders to bring passengers ashore. It was just over a thousand feet long.

[@theonewhoasked8896]

The simple difference is that ocean liners were there to take you from a to b and cruise ships are for pleasure cruises

[@benjaminshamel9383]

LOL this makes me want to get on QM2 on a Transatlantic once she starts sailing again!! I haven't actually done one of those in over a decade! I enjoy heading over to spend time in Britain without the jet lag, and of course getting to experience either QM2 or (when she was in service) QE2.

[@wayneyd2]

I was on her last Oct. She is the best ship I have ever been on.

[@SarapManila]

Proud to have worked on 2 best Liners QE2 and QM2, We are Cunard!

[@justarandomperson9249]

How do you apply to work for Cunard. I have looked on the website but found nothing

[@selkiemaine]

Talking about liners being fast ... I took passage on the QEII back in the mid '80s, before her conversion to diesel power. We hit fog and had to slow down just outside Southampton. After the fog cleared, there was an announcement from the captain that the ship's speed would be increased in order to make up the time, so please pardon any additional vibration. For the next day, we sailed at (IIRC) about 31 knots. And, we left a trail of smoke all the way back to the horizon - far more than the ship did at any other time during the passage. What a wonderful experience.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

So epic!! That’s QE2!

[@worldhello1234]

I can imagine why there a so few ocean liners left. If you just want to travel from point A to point B, there are faster means of transportions like airplanes. Those who undertake an ocean liner trip do it for the experience and the number of people who are willing to shell out the big bucks just for the journey are pretty rare. Conversely, going on a cruise is primarily about the experience on board with the ocassional shore leave. Those are floating holiday resorts.

[@baritonebynight]

Actually, my Britannia class inside cabin on QM2 from South Hampton to New York is about the same price or even cheaper for an airline ticket. I always plan my trips to Europe around QM2s scheduled to avoid flying.

[@fsnissen]

Another thing to remember that the liners, like the SS United States, were designed for rapid conversion into troop ships in a time of war.

[@donvanvliet9477]

The original Queen Elizabeth was not designed as such, but her first use was as such. I think this lesson was taken on board by the SS US designers.

[@g-low6365]

@@donvanvliet9477 it was taken into design consideration. she was actually finished with state money. cause the liner used that as an "excuse" not only to complete it, but also to get aid.

[@donvanvliet9477]

@@g-low6365 Many thanks for the info!

[@laurencemacdonald5935]

My wife and I prefer the transatlantic crossing over any other cruise. We have done 13 T/A Crossings on QE2 and QM2, with 2 more booked for next year. We have crossed once on the ms Rotterdam ( a special Event) We have 18 cruises on the QE2 as well. We also sailed 2 cruises on former T/A liners. Sailing down the Elbe and the Maas rivers were exceptional. Sailing in and out of NYC is always special. We once sailed from Cherbourg to Quebec City on the QE2; the only time she ever sailed from France to French Canada. We only wish we started sailing T/A before I was 45. We have always been treated very well by Cunard, whether we were in tiny 3058 (best for sleeping on board ship) on QE2 or in luxurious 9036 on QM2. You can be as busy as want to be attending Lectures, Illuminations, NY Times events, or visiting the Library, finding a quiet spot to relax, and of course varied nighttime activities. Go Enjoy a Trans Atlantic Crossing.

[@PGF2010]

Laurence Macdonald - what is T/A?

[@laurencemacdonald5935]

@@PGF2010 T/A is an abbreviation for Trans Atlantic Peter.

[@PGF2010]

Laurence Macdonald - Ah! Of course. Thanks Laurence

[@VickyRBenson]

I’d love to take this trip. I’ve made six Atlantic crossings, including the original RMS Queen Mary and The Pretoria Castle between Southampton and Cape Town, South Africa via Madeira. The freighters handled 12 passengers. My last T/A voyage was in 1972 on the South African Constancia from NYC directly to CapeTown. We lost five days from rolling seas. I told myself that I’d never cross the Atlantic again! But the lure is creeping up again!

[@laurencemacdonald5935]

@@PGF2010 Transatlantic.

[@leha4630]

Don´t forget that ocean liner were cargo and mail ships too. They constituted commercial traffic with both passengers and goods between Europe and the United States, before flying over the Atlantic. Today's cruise traffic makes no use except to soak up the environment.

[@TheKira699]

Ocean Liners are useful, Cruise Ships are Petri Dishes for disease.

[@donvanvliet9477]

Yes, e.g. the original Queen Elizabeth was 'RMS Queen Elizabeth'. (RMS = Royal Mail Ship).

[@sergel02]

@@TheKira699 most cruise ships are honestly cleaner than land based hotels. People only even hear issues because they actually have to report them.

[@TheKira699]

@@sergel02 The are still petri dishes for disease. They can be like Plague Ships. A confined area, a large population, recirculated air and once in International Waters, MAY dump raw sewage into the ocean. Most now use basic sewage treatment before dumping. Some cruise lines have had entire cruise ships quarantined due to unknown illness on board (Pre Covid) and with Covid make people quarantine on board until dead or recovery. Any germs spread quickly on a cruise ship.

[@hagdore]

Why are ships always referred to as "she"? Because they're always chasing the buoys..........I'll see myself out.

[@niko-stajner9722]

Logan Jones. Dear god

[@urfishestail5113]

yes u will see urself out 🤣🤣

[@Olympic.400]

@Logan Jones. No, ships since 1800s are female.

[@user-do5zk6jh1k]

@@Olympic.400 1800s is pretty modern. That's within the era of combustion engines and telecommunications.

[@debbiekerr3989]

I appreciate your teaching the difference between an ocean liner, and a cruise ship. I've often wondered what exactly the difference was. Thank you for sharing this.

[@seanydayz9234]

I'll be honest, I'm tired of video's like this because the comments are all pretty much the same. Everyone says the same thing, "cruise ships suck, ocean liners are better," while completely missing the fact that the two serve completely different purposes. Ocean liners were built with the primary goal of getting passengers from point A to point B, while cruise ships are built with the primary goal of pleasure cruising and providing passengers with as much entertainment as possible. Yes, ocean liners are built to be stronger and faster, that's because they have to be. Cruise ships don't have to be built as strong as ocean liners because they don't have to endure the same weather conditions on the regular. Most cruise ships (not all, but most) are amazing. They aren't these sorry excuses for ocean liners that romantics always try to make them out to be. I know, a cruise ship couldn't do an ocean liners job, just like a ocean liner couldn't do a cruise ships job. that why ocean liners are built the way they are. Back when the ocean liner industry started to die out and the cruise industry started to grow and expand, most cruise ships were former ocean liners that were refitted for pleasure cruising. However, companies saw that ocean liners couldn't work as a cruise ship. their drafts were too deep, they used to much fuel, and they were expensive to maintain with them being made from stronger material. they were built for ocean crossing, not pleasure cruising, that's why ship design changed I love both ocean liners and cruise ships. I don't see why you have to like one and hate the other. Ocean liners and cruise ships both show mankind's amazing technological innovation and I think we should learn to appreciate them both. I didn't get to make all the points I wanted to because I don't want this comment to turn into an essay, but can we please stop all the unnecessary hate on cruise ships and just enjoy them while their here?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Hi Sean. Many of the points you make are outlined in the video. I’m very fond of many cruise ships - was simply trying to explain the difference, due to the hundreds of questions I get every year asking what the difference is between the two.

[@seanydayz9234]

@@ChrisFrameOfficial Yes I understand. I was commenting on how people in comment sections of videos like this tend to always bash cruise ships. the video was very informative and well made

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

There is a lot of bias towards ocean liners I agree. They are remarkable machines, but as you said largely failed in the era of cruising. And cruise ships are very capable. We sailed through a hurricane aboard QV and she was absolutely fine! In one of my lectures there’s a section about the transition to cruising and how the really successful ones were either heavily converted or dual purpose by design. Rotterdam, Oceanic, QE2. Those were a great foresight in design. But even now their accommodation and amenities couldn’t cope with the cruising demands and passenger desire for balconies. Aurora and Oriana I think have to be among the nicer modern cruise ship designs. They have all the cruising traits but retain the elegance with those glorious aft decks.

[@johnkeepin7527]

Interesting to see that the typical speed of ‘cruise ships’ is similar to container ships. The other factor that may be interesting is how manoeuvrable one type is compared with another, e.g. oil tankers, or those used for carrying heavy loads (iron ore, coal etc). Lots of these have a reputation for taking a while to slow down, e.g.

[@boobooweezlz5764]

This video was worth my time. I have subscribed.

[@Mrfrontrow]

Very informative. Thanks for all the information. I am booked on the QM2 next year in April from Southampton to NY. Can't wait!!

[@PGF2010]

mike john - wonderful, but do you think the pandemic will be defeated by then? If not, I hope you are insured to claim a refund or re-booking.

[@VickyRBenson]

My sister and I were talking just last night about the possibility of taking the QM2 to England next year. It would be awesome. I sailed on the Queen Mary with my parents and young brother when I was six years old, then we sailed on the Pretoria Castle from Southampton to Cape Town, South Africa, via Madeira. I recall quite a bit of these journeys, as they were so memorable. Have also made Atlantic crossings on freighters (which carried a maximum of twelve twelve passengers).

[@barking.dog.productions1777]

Good content here. I had not even thought about it and now you have the wheels turning... this is why cruise ships always looked like those lake bound house boats to me, and I always wondered how sea worthy they really are???

[@PaulandCaroleLovetoTravel]

We are on QM2 next week and just asked each other this question. Thanks so much for explaining the differences!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Glad it was helpful!

[@GardeningLadybug]

Nicely done Chris.

[@ongingcabo5270]

Sir, you teach me a lot about the two. Thank you very much!

[@VickyRBenson]

Very interesting! I’ve enjoyed a couple of cruises in my adult years (carnival Celebration and Oasis of the Seas) but have nostalgic memories of sailing on the Queen Mary to Southampton when I was 6 and my brother 5. Then my family sailed on the Pretoria Castle from Southampton to CapeTown, South Africa. We were returning to South Africa and wouldn’t have another furlough for seven years. That time we sailed on freighters which catered to 12 passengers. I just came across the large parchment welcome to the realm of King Neptune, signed by the captain) I was given upon crossing the equator and so know the names of the ships: SS Robin Gray and SS Robin Sherwood. I enjoyed those voyages, too.

[@miracabral]

Chris, thanks for the informative video. An episode about the cranes and cargo hold present on ocean liners bow, and how they work on the QM2 today would be interesting too :)

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thank you!

[@jaquigreenlees]

Chris, the breakwater on the bow of many ocean liners is normally called a Portuguese bridge. The purpose being to divert the water that comes over the bows from the side decks making them a safer area for people to be in more than protecting the superstructure itself. On those without the Portuguese bridge they still tend to have some section of the fore deck raised in such a fashion as to divert water.

[@everythingautomotiveeta5839]

This was fantastic to watch

[@matthewrichards8497]

Insight I didn't know about the distinction of an ocean liner. Bows are usually longer than cruise ships, aren't they? My favorite part of an ocean liner is the wrap-around promanade. While the enclosed promenade is something of the past entirely it seems, the Queen Mary 2 does have a wrap-around boat deck with partially enclosed promenade forward and aft which warms me heart.

[@EdwardTravels]

The first ship that we were in on was the ocean liner Statendam 4. Years later we cruised on the Statendam 5. Both were beautiful ships 🚢

[@jamesstaples1765]

Your videos are very interesting. Many thanks.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thank you James!

[@tedboeing]

Very well explained

[@markeaston7353]

Interesting video thanks Chris!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thank you!

[@bongobreathman]

Great content!

[@davereid-daly2205]

Very helpful indeed. Thankyou

[@barbarajackson7950]

Great video review. Powerful ships, it was scary when Titanic was shown

[@richardkenan2891]

An ocean liner is a very slow, very large, very low altitude passenger jet. A cruise ship is a sea-mobile luxury hotel.

[@GardeningLadybug]

Loved this

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Yay

[@sighpocket5]

Nice!!!! ( never knew there was a difference!!! Thanks!!)

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

You’re most welcome 🛳

[@walterjrobinson]

Thanks for this informative video, just discovered your KZbin Channel ... be well!

[@stevebryan7799]

I did two 3 month world cruises on canberra in the 70s as a member of her crew and was working in austraila on arcadia for a couple of years based in sydney both were P&O ships

[@PGF2010]

Steve Bryan - I was once invited to breakfast and a look-around aboard Canberra while docked at Port Everglades. She was an awesome sight, and scrapped far too soon. I think it was in 1979. I spent all night watching her enter and leave the harbour, never to be forgotten.

[@sfren72]

Very interesting 👍🏻

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thank you!

[@aaronaustrie]

Good info

[@justagamersquad2907]

I am so happy I have been on both the QM2 and the QE2

[@Gre1ems]

Hey, I'd love to see a video on the S.S Servia (the first Cunard ship to have electric lights) or the S.S Parthia. : )

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thanks for the idea!

[@abacuscalculator7478]

Fascinating

[@nessuno1948]

It is not so difficult. A liner is a go anywhere ship. A cruiser a fair weather, vacation vessel. Of course she must obey to classification rules but the hull, stability, bad weather capability are not so strict.

[@kyotokid4]

..still looking to take a crossing on the QM II. They recently refitted a number of 2nd class cabins for single travellers which means no more single supplement surcharge. My plan is do the trip entirely "old school" taking the train across the US from Portland to New York (with a compartment) and then the QMII to Southampton as well as return the same way.

[@johnodo764]

Why wait? I lived your dream!

[@bcshelby4926]

@@johnodo764 ...money, it's not a cheap ride particularly if you're a single traveller.

[@johnodo764]

@@bcshelby4926 Just take the boat one way!

[@kateford3853]

Your the best thankyou ♥️

[@PGF2010]

Kate Ford - I think you must mean you’re, used when short for you are. In every other sense it is your. Basic elementary English!

[@georgetheodorelymberakis4097]

You'll understand the difference between a floating skyscraper and a seafaring hull if you're in mid ocean in force 9, let alone force 11. Try looking up metacentic height.

[@markrixson8565]

I Was crew on the my QM2 from 2006 to 2008 best ship I ever work on

[@alanclark2416]

HI MARK... SOME INFO FOR YOU....BIG SHIPS DONT USE ANY LIQUID FUEL.. THE ENGINES ARE SECRET FREE ENERGY...FUELING UP IS A VERY CLEVER HOAX...FUELING UP DOCUMENTATION. AND FOOTAGE IS BOLLOCKS....... ALSO JET PLANES....ON KZbin .. JET FUEL HOAX BY SPACEBUSTERS .. NO PLANE CAN CARRY 120 TONES OF FUEL IN EACH WING...MORE FAKERY.....EVERYTHING IS A LIE....

[@allgaming4045]

Have you worked on any cruise ships ? :)

[@foxgaming76yt24]

alan clark I can’t tell if you’re joking, but if you’re not...................

[@DownundaThunda]

I always thought that the reason why lifeboats were moved from the uppermost decks on ships toward the top of the hull, or even under the superstructure entirely was to give those on the lower decks an equal opportunity to get to a lifeboat as those on upper decks in the event of an emergency.

[@dougross51]

Because without ocean liners America won''t be the USA! They are very powerful, graceful and wonderful and are better than simple airliners!

[@dawson9507]

Interesting story of the Astoria. The Astoria was originally named as Stockholm, a nod to the popular port city of Sweden. It was built earlier-mid 20th century and one night it was leaving New York City to sail back to Europe. Ahead of it, sailing to New York from Italy was the SS Andrea Doria. The two ships were on a crash course for several miles, up until the Stockholm crashed into the starboard side of the Doria, opening 2 watertight compartments to the open ocean. After several hours of sinking starboard, passengers being saved by the Stockholm and neighboring ships, the Doria sank with 40-some people with it. The Stockholm was constantly restored, up until today.

[@CJODell12]

Stockholm’s reinforced icebreaker bow was torn away by the impact

[@xrpaul877]

Whenever you are in Rotterdam, you should visit the SS Rotterdam. It has been restored in the original decor of the 50's and is now permanently docked in Rotterdam. It has an in- and outside restaurant, offers historical tours and you can even book a hotelroom in one of the old cabins. It was originally built for the Holland America Line, but changed hands many times before asbestos renovations nearly caused scrapping. The renovation nearly bankrupted the current owner, but the result is stunning.

[@thefancydoge8668]

We need to bring back ocean liners. Ocean liners would be a great alternative to travel across the sea instead of planes the only option. Not everyone can handle flying (certain medical conditions or fear of heights) and being in a spacious ship would be better than being in a cramped metal can. Sure they might be a little slower but it would be no different than choosing to drive in a car on long distances instead of flying.

[@drultranium4934]

do not forget the french line with the "Normandie" and the "France"

[@michaelgrey7854]

Technically the QM2 use diesels and gas turbines to provide power to electric motors to drive the screws. P&O ships like the Canberra also went to New Zealand as part of their line voyages.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Very true Michael!

[@wannaplaythisdavid]

I wish more oceanliners could be built.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Me too 🤩

[@charonstyxferryman]

Could become a thing again , when and not if, flights become so expensive that a lot of people can't afford flights due to very high fuel prices. Things are going to happen in a slower pace, but that is healthy, because a lot people are flying around from one activity to another activity, both at the job and in their spare time.

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Thank you.

[@MG-ot2yr]

There's more to the design of an ocean liner, in addition to the longer bow, stronger hull, they also have a higher freeboard and a rounded or inverted spoon shaped stern to provide better sea holding characteristics following a swell. In the case of the Queen Mary 2, she actually has a hybrid stern, that's a rounded and transom stern welded together to accommodate the azimuthal pod propulsions.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Yes, Queen Mary 2 has a costanzi stern which allows for some of the benefits of the cruiser stern to blend with the benefits of the transom stern. Stephen Payne explains this in my video chat with him: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmPYmqGJg9ifjtE

[@baritonebynight]

QM2 is the only comfortable way to cross the Atlantic and I am glad that we still have this option of travel. I have zero interest in a cruise ship that takes you nowhere.

[@wideputin19]

Every cruise ship looks like a floating bathtub. Why don’t we have the beautiful ships like we did in the early 1900s

[@TheDankEngineer]

Capitalism Some companies try to go the extra mile to maintain a semblance of class, like Cunard, a former liner company, and Disney, who has money to burn.

[@kennethramonet5421]

You forgot to mention the most iconic of all the transatlantic lines, CGT, also know as "The French Line". The company operated the "Paris", "Ile de France", "Normandie", "Liberte" and "France". The French Line catered to mostly First Class passengers and, as such, it was heavily favored by the wealthiest and most discriminating of transatlantic clients. Relentlessly stylish, many who were not part of the "gratin/demi-monde" (pre jet set, jet setters) found CGT ships to be socially intimidating.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thanks and hello! I did mention SS. Normandie regarding the breakwater design. SS. France - while marvellous - was a white elephant and a financial failure, built too late to ever have a chance of succeeding. However she did make a very successful cruise ship as SS. Norway. I mention her in my lecture.

[@kennethramonet5421]

@@ChrisFrameOfficial Of course, you're quite correct about you mentioning the incomparable Normandie, but I was referring to your omission at the beginning, when you read off a list of prominent lines. And yes, the SS France arrived too late, as jet travel took over by then. Looking back at the first half of the 20th century, it easy to see why CGT was somewhat smaller than Cunard, White Star and other lines. But they were the best. Of course, CGT had no choice but to focus on the "luxe" segment of the market, as France was never able to financially underwrite CGT with a continuous stream of French immigration to North America in the same manner as did the British, Germans and even the Italians were able to do. Most French people have always been most content to remain in France. Tourism visits TO France (with Paris being the single largest European destination by far) had to support the line. But then CGT also had a higher calling beyond the bottom line; and that was to embody and promote the best of France and French culture. Unsustainable? Certainly, but it made for quite a way to go!

[@cyberp0et]

Queen Mary is worth visiting in Long Beach, California. She is a beauty.

[@Meowingtiger]

According to the information I find on the builder websites, cruise ships like Oasis of the seas have up to 40mm thick plates, while QM2 has "only" 30mm. I also see from time to time people posting damage similar to what happend to Anthem of the seas after sailing on QM2 during very hard weather. There were a lot of broken stuff on one of the first voyages to New York. No doubt that QM2 is a fantastic piece of engineering, but could it be that many people tend to "over rate" her a litle bit vs other new large passenger vessels? After all they all have to follow the same strict regulations for safety.

[@anthroparion]

7:05 - Good ol' Freo

[@michaelnunnery6394]

At the time that she was designed. The Naval Architect had 3 main criteria to meet imposed by her owners. 1 Short enough to turn in the dock basin at Southampton. 2 Low enough to pass under a suspension bridge outside of New York 3 Narrow enough to fit through the lock gates of the time along the Panama Canal The owners also wanted more balcony cabins than any other ocean liner before her Half way through the design process the Naval Architect had to telephone the owners We’ve just lost the Panama Canal

[@cliffwood4610]

what are the objects looking like propeller blades on the bow of the ship in the last scene?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

They’re spare propeller blades for the pods. QM2’s are uniquely designed so they carry the spares in case she ever needed replacements.

[@cliffwood4610]

Chris Frame thanks,I thought I might be seeing things,they don’t have confidence in steering the ship around the rocks then...

[@jazzmax91]

@@ChrisFrameOfficial They call them the Commodore's cufflinks.

[@Justmyownopinion5999]

How would you define the Paul Gauguin? Small and designed to steam across the open pacific to places that cruises generally can't go. It looks sturdy compared to some of those stupid behemoths, but has a rear door for excursions.

[@dchenkin02]

Paul Gauguin has a much shallower draft, amount of ship below water, than typical cruise ships. Paul Gauguin is designed to travel around the French Polynesian islands where there are coral reefs.

[@Justmyownopinion5999]

@@dchenkin02 that's the point. It doesn't cleanly fit into either category.

[@shakengrain1942]

Which is the smoother ride for those proned to nausea?

[@CrispyCross-]

Liners

[@zackakai5173]

*Coming here right after watching WoWs replays* So you're saying the QM2 can bow tank fifteen inch battleship guns?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

I don’t know anything about WoW but the ship’s bow is very strong 💪

[@cristinasanjuan4056]

Accually the SS United States had a top speed of 38.8 knots but she sailed only 35 knots during her maiden voyage

[@shakengrain1942]

Wish there were funds/interest in restoration of that ship. Probably too deeply rusted.

[@grunt98444]

@@shakengrain1942 She was limited by the Navy (by restrictor plates) to 38 knots so the destroyers of the time could keep up (she could be converted into a troop ship), at her speed trails upwards of 42+ knots was seen. That 35 knot speed was deemed enough to break the record and win the Blue Reband trophy for fastest Atlantic Crossing, little did they know no passenger ship has won it since

[@grunt98444]

@@shakengrain1942 She is moored in fresh water, a study performed a few years ago showed 82% hull integrity

[@ardiffley-zipkin9539]

Update the A/C, heating and air circulation air purifier system throughout the ship and cabins to continuously clean the air to prevent the spread of virus

[@niko-stajner9722]

Will they ever build new liner in future?

[@MrChickennugget360]

who knows? it depends on the market. some of the Cruise line dieasaters like the Costa Concordia don't help the reputation of Cruise ships.

[@dwightlooi]

What we need TODAY is a new class of FAST CRUISE SHIPS. By that I mean ships that are designed for fair weather cruising operations, but which are very fast -- faster than the Oceanliners of yore. Why? Because it'll allow the operator to run itineraries from outside the saturated departure ports and serve popular destinations from closer to major passenger sources like the US North East without incurring a large number of at "sea days". For example, instead of having to fly to Miami or Fort Lauderdale to get on a Caribbean cruise, the itinerary can start from New York or Boston where the passengers are. Alternatively, you can also board a cruise from LA to the Hawaiian islands and back. Normally such voyages will incur about 8~9 days at sea round trip with about 4 days at the destination area. If we can have cruise ships that go 40~45 knots instead of 20~22 knots, the at sea days will be a very reasonable 2 days each way. -- What will it take? In simple terms, an approximately 330m long ship with about 240,000~360,000 shp and waterjet drive. This is not particularly hard to achieve. Two General Electric LM9000 gas turbines in a 2+1 combined cycle (COGES) generation plant will supply about 200MWe of electrical power. They are also small and light enough that the entire plant will actually fit inside the SS United States' Funnel on the top deck. Five (5) Kamewa S3-200 waterjets driven by 40MW electric motors will deliver 268,000 shp to move the ship through the waves at about 42 knots. -- What about fuel consumption you may ask? It's actually not that bad. The combined cycle generators has a thermal efficiency of about 56% which is slightly better in fact than most marine diesels. What's more important is that waterjets are about 80% efficient at speed, whereas well designed propellers are in the low to mid 60% range. This means that 268,000 shp is actually similar to a propeller driven ship with about 330,000~360,000 shp in terms of actual motivating force. Yes, you are burning 4 times as much fuel to make that much power, but you are also going twice as fast. The actual fuel cost per mile is about double, but only when you are actually using the 40+ knots speed. Given that the fuel bill on the average 14 day cruise ticket is only about $200~300 per passenger, doubling that is actually not an unreasonable premium to be able to board the cruise from home rather than some place you have to fly out to. And, for those "green" folks you can take comfort that these gas turbine engines burn very clean compared to reciprocating diesels, and they will burn Natural Gas or Diesel Fuel or both without any conversion. -- Of course, any ship like that will also take the Hales Trophy in a heart beat, even if they have to pick the months when they make the Atlantic crossing for a better ride -- which is what the QM2 does today any way.

[@JACCO20082012]

Sometimes cruise ships hug the coast a little too much when the captain wants to show off to his date, amirite.

[@kaiserschlachtfelder]

costa concordia?

[@burnbrae41]

Ocean liner has a deeper draft and a better passenger to crew ratio. also usually longer for speed.

[@phila2361]

Is it not also true that a liner sit IN the water and a cruise ship sits ON the water? Whilst on QE2 we often had to take tender to port even when there were bigger ships docked because of the draft.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Liners do have deeper drafts than cruise ships yes. I should have included that as a 6th point on reflection.

[@danc1197]

Obviously ocean liners would put any floating hotel to shame. But cruise ships serve their purpouse just fine. They cant handle the stormy weather, but most passengers are there for vacation, So they wouldn't want to go during the bad weather. And nothing wrong with staying near the shore if you already know how long it takes to reach your destination. The big difference is the name, cruise ship is floating hotel, ocean liner is Her Majesty.

[@kaiserschlachtfelder]

yeah

[@spawnof200]

harder, better, faster, stronger

[@johnmcgahern3946]

That's what she said last night...

[@annatamparow4917]

Aren't they also obliged to carry post? So RMS Queen Mary, Elizabeth etc.?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Many of the British Ocean Liners used to carry the Royal Mail - hence RMS. Today QM2 has the honorary designation. QE2 was never an RMS. And also ocean liners from other nations don’t carry the RMS designation. As a rule of thumb it’s SS for Steam Ship, MV or MS for Motor Vessel / Ship and sometimes they become even more specific. QE2 after her re-engineering was TSMV - Twin Screw Motor Vessel!

[@annatamparow4917]

Sorry, I meant the ones under British flag only. QE must have been an RMS right before the war.

[@skyandsparkleanddiscoandve1992]

Soon qm2 will not be last ocean liner anymore . Clive palmer has decided to built Titanic 2.

[@emilholmsten8600]

Astoria is the old stockholm right?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Yes!

[@lourencealixesb.bonggat6950]

I would prefer ocean liners.Because they are more stronger and faster,however cruise ships have to many rooms,slower and not stronger.Not to hate cruises but I would prefer OCEAN LINERS.😊👍

[@nicopavvi8494]

It's possible that in the future will exists high speed ocean liners?

[@awuma]

Physics prevents normal ships from sailing faster than their length allows, but if they can get up on plane they can go faster, and if they can get up on hydrofoils, they can go even faster. A catamaran with two narrower hulls can go faster than a single displacement hull. However, the big liners are so long that their normal maximum displacement speed is not much less than what they could get from planing or foiling. Smaller, shorter and lighter craft are another story, of course, as seen in the foiling revolution in sailing. As in aircraft, slower speeds mean less fuel consumed, and ships can also make use of wind power. The future likely will see a resurgence of advanced sail-assisted ships, harking back to the mid-nineteenth century. Festina lente...

[@raymondleggs5508]

Even though MS Marco polo and astoria are used as cruse ships they are STILL ocean liners, and still handle like ocean liners

[@awuma]

Glad you showed "Astoria", formerly "Stockholm", the oldest major cruise ship as of 2020 (probably done for now). Here's an example of a really well built ship, which famously survived ramming and sinking the beautiful "Andrea Doria" in 1956 (it was "Andrea Doria's" fault). It is an astonishing coincidence that the survivor of perhaps the most notorious collision between ocean liners of all time has had such an extraordinarily long career, though much rebuilt.

[@waynemerlo7448]

I’m sure most cruise ships could cross any Ocean with little problem. It’s a great selling line though. Especially since QM2 lost her title as the largest.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

They can as you say, of course, all make it across the oceans. It’s just they’re not designed to do this direct voyage over and over for 40 years.

[@torehaaland6921]

Tecnically she is an ocean liner. But her service is as a cruiseship. It is not a passenger service, nor is it a cargo service. It is leisure and nothing else.

[@reestyfarts]

Modern ships are diesel or gas turbine driving generators sending voltage to azipods.

[@grunt98444]

More than once those ships lost all power leaving the ship floundering