Why old Criminality was “Better” (ROBLOX)

[@definate]

in case you didn't want to read the description and came rambling down to complain about what i say in the comments, remember that this is an opinion with some stats and just logical sense to back it up rather than emotional i still do miss the old days of crim, when melees were dominant, but i have found myself enjoying new crim a surprising amount, not for playing competitively, but for just goofing off you can share your thoughts in the comments, as many others are doing the same thing, and i'm very open to criticism (trust me there is still a lot i don't like about criminality as a whole, not just the "old vs new" update stuff) thanks, take care all

[@baklavalite]

man id remember that one time when you used wooden bat only. good times however due to new people playing crim they start learning and maybe in the future it wil be hella competetive once again lol. so ima enjoy the peace while it lasts

[@canon07]

The only problem the game has is cheaters because when you go to unsecured or any server they use cheat in the lower tier level and also script organization from discord.

[@baklavalite]

@@canon07 thats why them people are going to buy prime

[@canon07]

@@baklavalite even If you did there is still gonna be people cheating in prime

[@canon07]

@@baklavalite they still need to fix cheating both secure and unsecured server for new players which is no fun when people are making an organization of full cheaters and they need to taken all those script and also they should make a team invite so they can know who their team is so there is no friendly fire going on. I am new to the game and now its problem itself is cheating I talk to one of the few cheaters and there is more of them making an organization of cheaters that is coordinating simultaneously server to server.

[@Zergo0]

Just glad the new players are feeling the laughter and fun we had back in the day. The game is boring for me currently but I will never ever say I didn't have some of the best times of my teen years on this game. The game will continue to grow and change even if we don't like it. It's time for me to accept the changes lol

[@andrea_sur_yt]

As a new player, its way harder to have fun because of the gangs and especially because of the exploiters. I hope for everyone playing this game that exploiters will be a fixed problem soon. Because it's now unplayable. I would say this is the second most hacked game on roblox after Apocalypse Rising.

[@Divinegull]

as a new crim player fun isnt a thing for me, you cant make friends in a single server, everyone is just greedy for xp and lots of people exploit

[@Kirboru]

As a level 27 player, crim now has been the most enjoyable for me than it has ever been.

[@Chunicorn1337]

@@Divinegull making friends is a lot easier than you might think, next time let’s say you spawn next to someone, just ask them if they wanna team up, trust me

[@Divinegull]

@@Chunicorn1337 before i even ask they will shoot me down with their aks

[@shhanskar]

r u tryna make me cry bruv

[@Piececontrolkylee]

Haha weirdo1!1!1!1!1!🥶👌🥶👌🥶🥶

[@Piececontrolkylee]

Nerd1!2!1!!1!1

[@cloenem]

i asked devs why no exclusive old event / admin weapons and commands in the R$400 VIP servers and got told off with a "you don't deserve it" 😭😭

[@definate]

wtf☠☠☠

[@longweekends6275]

are you kidding me

[@Lotsof_FPS]

They waste 6 months making retarded RCU guns then in a week they take a trillion meshes slap them on and call it a "major rework"

[@sharkpog7965]

Bro needs to spend another 500 for the premium VIP + server

[@EliteYoutuber250]

this is exactly why I hate the crim devs

[@segakey]

About the “ticket ignoring” they’re not tecnically ignoring it, they affirm it on the ticket report description.. However they do said before 1.4 came out that the moderation after crim becoming free on prime standard servers would be 100 times better, which was a complete lie since they respond to your tickets after a whole week just to not ban the exploiter you reported

[@truckertucker]

They're ignoring your ticket because of other tons of tickets. After crim became free it's essentially impossible to find a casual server WITHOUT some form of cheater. And probably because they are a bit lazy

[@lazy9232]

90%of exploites will get beemed by tryhards so it is fine also everyone will target them once they spot them but the ticket ignoring is so severe you can't report a hacker that is literally black sonic

[@feik69]

I reported somebody and he got banned in 10 minutes so it depends if mods have time They are humans too remember that.

[@segakey]

@@feik69 They are clearly humans, but the fact of promising to people that the moderation would be better and never actually making it true is disappointing, out of like 6 in game mods which 80% are 90% of the time online and they take an entire week to respond a single ticket?

[@potinco4981]

@@truckertucker they ignore your ticket because they don't care about u and the community

[@nishlol]

I drifted away from the game after 1.3 as well. I feel like the chaos in 1.2 wasn’t emulated through v1.3 where you lose money so fast and there isn’t any actual point apart from grinding mindlessly and getting killed every five seconds. I love how you elaborated on melees and how fun those were :)

[@longweekends6275]

while currently criminality is very polished and refined, 1.2 was the legit peak of criminality, i had so much more fun playing with my friends and just messing around i missed when losing an m4 was absolutely devastating, i missed when getting a kill with machete brightened up my day but eventually you have to move on

[@Watercape13]

A lot of my friends kinda barely play crim now because they don’t like the v1.4 update, but I can really relate to how just hopping in a vc with your homies and playing crim was the most fun part. I do appreciate the updates, I just feel like v1.2 was the peak of criminality.

[@longweekends6275]

hell yeah

[@s_oba]

hi dr b

[@Watercape13]

@@longweekends6275 hell yeah x2

[@Watercape13]

@@s_oba hi soba

[@RickTS]

Since def did not credit the 2 clips at 2:46 and 2:52 I will put the link to the video which the 2 clips are from. MELEE MAIN | Roblox Criminality - KZbin

[@fvzoq7708]

I'm quitting crim from now on, I was here since the start lol. It was such a great time I had, but there is always an end. Goodbye Criminality.

[@loux_competent]

Okay? Good for you 👏

[@Lotsof_FPS]

@@loux_competent 🤓

[@loux_competent]

@@Lotsof_FPSman, that destroyed me. You got me right on the spot. I'm so hurt deep down omg 🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🥱

[@khaffit3527]

I've played since public dev server, that was the most fun to play.

[@pestilence4701]

one one the best games I've played on Roblox and the most nostalgic games to get back on 1.2 was very fun but I just stopped playing until 1.3 but we still have to appreciate the work and effort put in to this master piece of a game.

[@yakko7418]

Ill admit it. I was that one kid in a gang throughout 1.2 but when 1.3 came out, i went from playing the game to almost every day, to just once a month (school also played a role) i had much more fun in 1.2 when i could mess around with my gang, use melees since my wifi wasnt trash back then and other stuff. Yes, i do like some bits about the competitive side of the game but when i threw a c4 into a huge low level zerg it put so much life back into the game for me. But those are those “rare high moments” that come around. Nowadays i just open the game, get bad wifi, lose a fight of my bad aim, get BMed by some toxic people, and leave. Same cycle for the past month now. Nevertheless i dont regret playing crim cause it carried me through the pandemic and stuff like that. Good video

[@chronno4764]

I can only see my old crim memories in the form of screenshots i wish i wouldve recorded back then.

[@Jiggo_]

The main reason that I have nostalgia is because my computer broke a month before summer break, killing all my plans. I had a deal with my parents that if I get straight A’s from my exams, they’ll buy me Robux. That happened, but i didn’t even the the robux until September. My plan was that I would get the A’s, get the robux, get Armory, and just play and have fun on crim all summer. I only just recently got a new computer and it feels like crim is no longer fun because my skill is no more and I just get rekt everytime I play. It’s just a chore to play, honestly. Damn, how times have passed.

[@abandonded_dorito559]

i just miss the old game because of memories of friends who now hate me and it just makes me wanna go back to have that same fun again etc etc.

[@firreful]

made so many friends when this game was poppin. love to see people enjoying the game still.

[@ocyak]

I have a friend, that exploiting on Criminality, me left it but after we watch ur video, my friend want stop exploiting and play normally, and I want get back to Criminality too. Nice video, def.

[@sniper639]

Since i didnt even played the criminality in older versions, but it looks like i missed them alot. Only started playing it from the public dev game.

[@sniper639]

Plus, you used Metro last light main theme? I love the game, plus i completed it fully.

[@A_Insomniac]

This video makes me wanna play crim again, I quit crim a bit before 1.3, I was getting a bit bored of it and after taking a break and coming back, 1.3 made me wanna go back on break. Seeing you talk about 1.4 and how everything feels more fair makes me wanna play it again. good video btw.

[@LuvTheProtogen]

This is one of the most well put and beautiful video I have seen in a long time.

[@Fumblit]

i miss these times

[@definate]

some good times for sure :)

[@fira6825]

this video is mad true. i miss old crim a lot as all my friends that i have met through crim have quit the game, so its just not fun anymore. they even deleted the discord server for the gang 😭rip

[@Lvaic_]

I liked how melee weapons were actually useful. Now if you don't have a ranged weapon you can't do anything without rage dose

[@Ghostkilla]

I disagree with your section about more balanced weapons and a better meta the meta is literally just the desert eagle thats it and its not difficult to use its way too easy it only takes 3 shots to the body making going for heads absolutely pointless the recoil has also been dumbed down to a braindead level for every automatic making them extremely easy to use with no risk other than it not being the desert eagle. but otherwise this is a fantastic video!

[@Teronol]

Bruh, i forgot i was wearing my female fishy version of me in the start of the video, lol: Good video also!

[@CXSM0FNCS]

I honestly miss old crim I would be in gang wars in stuff but the nostalgia you just gave me im gonna return to it :)

[@devilishgoof4229]

As someone who started playing the game when it went free I sometimes wish I played it much earlier Hey atleast the game can still be fun on the right servers and with friends

[@Real_ZIM]

We all miss the times in 1.2 such as funny gdi moment and we didin't know how good we had until it was gone

[@HOONNNK]

Do you guys remember when GDI or john roblox announced 1.3 way before it came out I was so hyped when I heard that

[@jebidous]

The main reason why most people and I would think that old crim was better, was the map. In my opinion I just thought the map was just better looking.

[@Raiden23123]

I really just liked how simple it was, and how little to nobody that was using guns, It was just cool just to chill around, do stupid stuff and grind 24/7, and old crim had made guns and weapons balanced to a point of happiness. EX: c4 of course, I will say that in my person opinion, criminality is the best game I have ever played and I am not joking, I still play crim but I never seem to enjoy it too much, I play it to waste my time and I don't have time too much to actually play, but I will just watch videos of me in old crim. 10/10 game

[@elijahdulay4771]

12:04 I legit died inside after you called the metro music “blackout music”

[@yeezdave6470]

bro this video just made me tear up.

[@Loominal]

The one thing that in my opinion can't be argued is that in my opinion the old map was better. Hopefully they bring it back again like they did a few weeks ago for prime.

[@Lotsof_FPS]

@@Aynatic new map is too big

[@Loominal]

@@Lotsof_FPS yeah and the random boxes everywhere that makes my old craptop want to commit die. So what I'm saying us that the placement of the props are annoying and it is a performance issue for lower end pcs, I mean I have a good PC not but my old one basically can't run Crim anymore.

[@Loominal]

@@Aynatic I mean you have a good point and I'm glad you are respectful.

[@sycolix]

@@Aynatic Big and complex doesn't always mean better.

[@kente2003]

i love these videos you put out bro! please keep uploading and being a good youtuber :)

[@ladsbargain]

I don’t think I ever experienced old criminality, because I played around September or October, then forgot about it all. I have now started to play a bit more regularly because it seems more fun to me. I also really enjoyed the editing which makes the scenes more fun to watch!

[@Chunicorn1337]

As an player who started in Winter 1.2, I’ve got to say yes, 1.2 was enjoyable but I prefer the new crim a ton. I think it’s more of a me thing. Since 1.3-4 I’ve been much more willing to buy guns and just friend randoms. Playing criminality with some friends stand unmatched

[@sycolix]

Winter 1.1*

[@Chunicorn1337]

@@sycolix ?

[@sycolix]

There was no winter 1.2. Winter was 1.1.

[@Chunicorn1337]

@@sycolix I’m pretty sure it was 1.2 but whatever you say

[@antynomity]

@@Chunicorn1337 1.2 was the update after winter ended that added the Rambo, fnp and RPG into the game

[@il1680]

The game finally becoming free brought in some new players that didnt understand how sweaty the crim community is. Servers became way friendlier which i guess is good for newer players but I wanna kill people without having some rank 14 call the entire server to manhunt me just because i killed them "for no reason".

[@laggameing9697]

abundance of hackers, all my friends left, and my melee skills gone in the garbage I don't think ill be coming back to this game. great video though 👍

[@nuip7936]

i started playing before crim was "crim". it was a tiny map ffa fighter and rvvz would frequently do fun admin stuff. good times.

[@happinutt7281]

I wish that there was some kind of chase mechanic so you can actually catch up to people instead of chasing them for half a year then dying to a gang of full kit aks that the kids roaming with

[@Goldmacaraeg]

Counterpart: rage dose

[@happinutt7281]

@@Goldmacaraeg long use time and limited stock

[@ahmad77mreborn29]

@@happinutt7281 how would chase mechanic work? this seems a really dum idea

[@happinutt7281]

@@ahmad77mreborn29 mordhau has the same mechanic though the camera system is a bit different they may need to experiment with it though instead of that they could just make you run slightly faster with specific melee weapons (could make wooden bat run faster but nerf the damage compared to the metal bat I dunno)

[@avelosky9186]

like you know, readding that being at lower hp increases your stamina drain when running

[@TEC_Black]

Your editing skills are insane btw

[@sealscav6694]

for me its that occasional gunfight me and some buddies get into in the motel dealer parking lot.

[@JifStuff]

One thing I miss very heavily is when Criminality was still in it's early early days. I'm talkin' the Alpha stage, an unnamed katana fighting game demo that not many people knew about. All you ever did was climb on top of the tower, use a katana and fight people up there or prevent them from coming up. There was also killstreak awards, at 5 kills you'd get an airstrike. Was such a fun game to just chill out on sometimes but it slowly got updates, guns got added, got closed for like 9 months, and opened to the public for (originally) 400 robux and well here we are. I should also mention that the open alpha map was the current Public Dev Server (PDS) map, however it was slightly more simplistic than it is now. There was a ladder at the front of the tower that you could just climb straight up, and there was also no inside either.

[@mirach6864]

you dont get airstrike in 5 kills when the killstreaks were added you get a rambo knife in 5 killstreak and airstrike in 15 killstreak

[@JifStuff]

@@mirach6864 no LMAOOOO it was airstrike at 5 kills dude, i literally played it back then.

[@JifStuff]

"when killstreaks were added" they were always there. PDS only had the fists and katana, and you got the items from killstreaks.

[@mirach6864]

@@JifStuff I also played back then you can see me in such videos it was 15 kills Im pretty sure

[@Z1zack]

@@JifStuff what was the game called? i want to play it

[@cementdrip3968]

i love how u used calamity music from dm dokuro. really brings nostoligia on next level

[@lonixous5011]

Nostalgia gets bad If you really hang on to It. Sure It’s great and It’s nice to remember those memories. I’ve been playing criminality since That one Katana Game where you gain throwables every kill. But If you hang on to nostalgia to the point you’re obsessed with those memories then It’s hard to enjoy new things since you really just want simply those ones back. Im making a video soon about reviewing 1.5 and my Initial thoughts of It as a 1.0 Player.

[@doctorpink3105]

i have 1 problem in criminality which is the moderation i really hate on how they banned a level 100 player since they lived at the other side off the world and even i get falsed banned but the other exploiters gets to have fun in the game rvvz please improve moderation and unbanned pepole who did nothing wrong because the lived the australia

[@Hype_Machine]

Old community > community now Old community was way better because making the game cost robux restricted low class poor people (12 year olds) from playing the game. I loved the community especially in 1.2 because it contained alot of different types of people. It was like the LGBTQ community because you would easily spot Roblox traders, developers, roblox mods, KZbinrs, and fun people. You would actually meet alot of cool people back then in my opinion but now it's mostly a ton of little kids. There's still cool people but very few compared to the original community back then. The game itself improved but not the community in simple words.

[@aprruved]

Good times we’ve had in old crim but im happy the way crim has turned out I still have a lot of fun.

[@MattthemaniaC]

i remember when i camped the sewers putting c4 at the elevator and when people go down it i blow them up and they would get so mad lol.

[@armoredgato7043]

i quitted crim 2 times one for try hards in 1.2 and one in 1.4 for try hards too but im back and now i see the game has improved

[@tuhoangminh2658]

That laugh when Desi flew to the sky made me unconditionally burst in laughter

[@ohitsmilk771]

mmm, 8:31 must be a screenshot from one of my vids! miss those days 🙃

[@chronno4764]

This might be true but i just wanna feel old crim one last time.

[@AirsoftVolt]

ive played with an aks since level 10 and learned to master it back in those days i loved those days

[@persona9670]

The facts in this hit hard, i might consider coming back to crim after this because i havent played since 2020 and i ragequit the game for the lonngest time due to 6 person gangs picking on weaker players

[@Saysac]

I really hope that they make a version of criminality before the BIG BIG update. I think it was 1.2, I forgot.

[@Blob1_2]

Sadly I didn’t played criminality when it was payed access, I would like to play in early versions.

[@PRRFAN]

I quit crim at level 50, after my friend was false banned by Immovial, my gang has fallen apart. I made lots of fiends in crim, and hardly any of them play it anymore. I’ve been in crim for 2 years now and it turned from casual where the devs just wanted people to have fun. Now it feels like a cash grab where the devs just screw over the players. Really the last straw for me was the economy nerf.

[@theninjas8115]

I always remember the eradicator if I even get to use it I know it will be a fun time

[@exeiha1870]

I've been playing entirely Standard and P-Standard and it is straight up unplayable as a solo half the time. There's either a 6 man team roaming with guns or a exploiter beaming everyone with a tec from 400 studs. I would just hop to a different server but when there's only 4 US servers above 20 players that all have a giant zerg or an exploiter in them, there isn't much I can do except just get off of the game

[@tangy8181]

If i remember correctly, I still remember the 2020 December winter update, where I remember the gifts, which would be coal, to a AK74SU, or a slayer sword each At first I thought it was good on my perspective, but it wasn't good for me. Although this "new criminality" was fun, nostalgia is still there, which also hurts to remember the old days.

[@nitrofire4482]

I had a case were I reported an exploiter speed hacking at mach 4 and aimbotting, and when I reported it to the mods, they literally said "cry about it".

[@Storms_goatedYT]

when i stopped playing cuz of 1.3 i cried my self to sleep sometimes because i missed the old game

[@Raul1000f]

The Calamity music hits hard.

[@omgnothing]

Even tho I didn't play old criminality I feel how it was like

[@thenerd1153]

for me the removal of i frames for the downed kinda annoys me, but i can understand when people want a 'competitive' experience

[@x_scope_real]

Its so sad..... Im lvl 102and crime dont make me fun i have 17mio cash but crime inst more fun i miss the old ubdate...😔

[@n1ghtfa1l]

I liked the old gun models and map honestly one of the reasons I miss old crim and why I think it's just so much better

[@sycolix]

And the GUI too.

[@rocli66]

i think it's sad that you can no longer find chainsaw, tommy gun, metal bat and all of this in trash

[@0ceanicDesire]

I do love old crim because melees were the hit back then

[@iwaniscool7780]

This video make me miss the first gang i meet and join we teamed up because theres a guy that keep killing us with m4A1 so we gather to make gang to kill him even most of our level are below 10 we still can kill him with teamwork that was best feeling i ever feel when i play criminality for first time now they gone just like any good and bad thing

[@thedragonslayer-]

I also really really miss the old gun models and recoil animations.

[@vrcrewreal]

Its most definetly the nostalgia for me

[@Lolero]

Old crim vs new crim is a conflicted topic for me, old crim felt a lot fresher to play, I started playing before the first Halloween update and I have seen the game grow in so many ways, vu the thing is that since 1.3 the game has seen to improve slowly but steadily, the map changes are somewhat useful allowing players to have more mobility options and for a 100% solo player like me it is a great way to escape tricky situations, and weapon wise I think melees and guns used to be as scary during 1.2, now criminality is an average shooter game only because melees are so overshadowed by guns, and it makes me quite sad since I find melees a lot more fun to use than guns

[@thickboi7570]

I retired at late 1.3 when I realised the game wasn’t the same anymore, i only came back when they spiced up the map and introduced 1.5

[@wordlessi]

Huge W for the music

[@yodaslastic]

part of the reason i quit was to do with the difference between the versions , as they both feel like almost completely different games to me, although i am certainly debating returning to crim... great video tho def, very factual and neutral

[@definate]

crim turned gun based and it was already showing signs in v1.2, went from fortnite pro tryhard build to fortnite zero build, except in reverse

[@yodaslastic]

@@definate trueeee

[@cyber_stealth]

@@definate i dont see why you think old crim was more competitive, it was treated like a normal hood game with people hanging out around cafe

[@flys]

NEW VIDEO SICK!!!

[@rizzjon]

I was VIBIN when the dying light music came on

[@Enviiun]

Liked the calamity music

[@s_oba]

i will say, new criminality is a lot more polished than the old criminality. gameplay is pretty much the same (at least for me) but i think the sense of community from 1.2 is not as it used to be, with many of the old players leaving the game and many new people joining after the game became free. i also think old players don't like the "serious" mood and tone of new criminality, especially from the 1.3 update. old criminality was more random and more fun to mess around in.

[@l0c035]

Difficult moving on when you make so many friends and spend so much time in the game

[@Shy-RG]

I thought you meant the pre test server by old criminally. (Also is that music from Dying Light? 4:23)

[@janezt1002]

the whole point of players leaving criminality is because criminality changed to "general gun game" with guns being way to overpowered and not only that, melees got nerfed meaning getting for example metal bat, its basicly useless since you will just die to a person with a baretta since you can't do anything neither at long range or short range. even i quit criminality due to this problem and tbh melees are even rarer to find than guns (that is if you want a katana, metal bat, rambo, balisong), like literally the ithaca (one of the best weapons in the game) is common to find, while if you want a melee its nowhere to be found. to fix this problem guns (that is op guns) need to be rarer to find while melees are gonna be in stock always without dealers not having it and would have multiple in stock (doesn't apply for chainsaw). to fix this even more melees need to be even cheaper while guns need to be more expencive

[@RickTS]

Me and a random which had beef with each other suddenly decide to truce and team up to bully an exploiter in the game I used the SB-Launcher MK2 to stun lock the exploiter while my new teammate tried to convince them to stop with "I know what its like, I used to be like you...but if you stop now and join us, We can help you get good at the game" They never listened so we did it 'till they left.

[@scaring_crows]

the opps caught him and forced him to make a documentary on old criminality😭😭😂😂🤣🤣

[@tailsfanteg4712]

It's pretty sad that I am not having fun at this game. Well, I am still a lvl 17 noob so yeah, death is always behind you, ready for another takeoff.

[@CriminalityIsMid]

1.4 was old crim for me i miss the 1.4 version of slayer 2 and the memories

[@winbie2529]

YOOOO NUGGET MAN WAS INCLUDED

[@arvhie9058]

i miss v1.2 because i mean everyone was friendly well the server i was in everyday i go join to the same server have fun running around,fighting my friend and when i win i say l loser bozo haha and just messing with gangs but there were these LOCO people they were a gang and they were pretty cool and killed everyone every once and a while we have massive wars and like nobody was safe they had ak and guns while we just rush with fist that was fun i met lots of people they were nice i had like a frenemy i dont know his name we fight sometimes but the most fun part in my opinion was everyone wasn't actively trying to kill everyone else

[@AP0CRISMIC]

I really just enjoyed old crim more because it was more balanced than it is now

[@esneyenkaplumbaga5071]

Slayers is a only option some guys buy slayer kit everyone try kill slayers and slayers try kill people its so exciting and funny but slayers removed but why? And ik slayers not very old its 1.4

[@itsnotfell1z]

The only thing the Grinch took was crims xmas update.

[@tengo_hambru]

tbh, its just the vibe that v1.2 had that v1.4 doesn't that makes me want to go back its such a complicated feeling i cant explain it

[@definate]

nostalgia brother

[@tengo_hambru]

@@definate yeah

[@thefighterbear-2564]

4:23 the sound changed and its dying light 1 main manu theme

[@shoopacabra9535]

I’d say Criminality was pretty good back then because guns like the AKS-74U took skill to use rather than some level 40 purchasing it and beaming everybody in the server. As well as that, it was pretty hard to grind since the old map was practically bare of safes and registers. With the new influx of players now that the game is free, it makes the game annoying to play since most players now team up in gangs and can easily overwhelm you. I personally think they should’ve kept the guns stats & recoil from v1.2 to teach players that are new to the game, that Criminality isn’t just something you simply pick up and play. Now, you have to deal with a level 50 who you’ve never seen before horribly spray at you with an AKS from Cafe to Garage.

[@thi_i2678]

I fully agree

[@dannozzer]

W music choice

[@banano1528]

v1.2 where heavy melees were usable (fire axe and metal bat), vibe check was way better, it was easier to get scraps, and armor didnt cost an arm and a leg, throwables were usable, and the map felt way cleaner