Why Open Source Alternatives are NOT Enough ...

[@PranjalP21]

Digital painting is one of my hobby, I use Krita on Linux with a wacom tablet and it works like a charm

[@RoyaltyInTraining.]

A lot of proprietary software simply doesn't need to be proprietary. Logitech doesn't gain anything from locking their software down, since the thing people pay for is their hardware. The software itself is useless without a device to connect to, so they might as well just open source it.

[@bmmartin1684]

A take I've never heard but i totally agree with

[@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV]

Their software isn't proprietary so that you pay for it, their software is proprietary so that competitors can't benefit from it and undercut their prices by saving on the development cost

[@adnope]

If GHub was open source the experience on it would be so much better than it is today because people would fix all the bugs and annoyance instead of Logitech

[@dustsucker4704]

​@@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEVhow exactly would they save costs? Send their users to logictec ghub?

[@MichaelNROH]

G Hub is one of the best examples, yes

[@Damglador]

Sane point. If I can get everything I need from a FOSS software, I will use it over proprietary, but if I don't even have an option with everything I need it could stop me from using Linux

[@roborob347]

I'm fortunate enough to be able to write my work reports on Linux with no issue because Libre Office is quite robust and integrates well with Microsoft office apps. I can also use Google docs if needed. But I understand why it could be troublesome for people who are in more creative fields. Replacing industry standard proprietary apps can be difficult.

[@gruntaxeman3740]

There isn't industry standard proprietary apps, except some unix command line tools or something similar.

[@DominikZogg]

I see any additional software work on Linux a plus, no matter by whom and what license. I prefere free software, but i am for freedom of choice.

[@TurntableTV]

I do think the mix between proprietary and open source is fine, just as long the proprietary software plays nice -> it doesn't spy on their users and don't use their content for feeding AI crap (yeah I'm talking about you, Adobe).

[@MichaelNROH]

As long as an applicatio is optional and not hardwired into the system then that's fine. I could get rid of it if something funky is going on

[@someguy4849]

Recall bullshit on 24H2 made me uninstall W11 for good, I was dual booting along with Arch but now I'm 100% Linux daily driving, as for gaming, I got a 7800X3D and a 7900XTX, if a game doesn't supports Linux gaming, I'm not playing it.

[@Chaotic_Oven]

Recall is only forced on Copilot + PCs or machines with NPUs in general. Not defending windows or anything just stating the facts

[@FAYZER0]

Also, not objecting to your position at all, if it works for you, and I hate Microsoft's business practices but I'm not going to stop playing and supporting games I like if they aren't proton/linux compatible.

[@TwilightTrekker1]

@@FAYZER0 no one said you had to. Looks like you're internally struggling with this.

[@ProgrammerInProgress]

I made the same move when they announced Recall. I've not missed windows at all.

[@Epitome_]

@@FAYZER0 the only games that aren't really compatible are kernel level anti cheat games. A lot of other games are just fine

[@haydenlee8332]

If there is an option to use proprietary software on Linux, when the capabilities and workflow of FOSS ones just won’t cut it, then this could ultimately lead to a higher adoption of Linux especially with all the BS Microsoft is forcing down with Windows11

[@arnonart]

I believe it's necessary to have all kinds of software on Linux. I recently installed autopano giga panorama stitcher and it was able to create a panorama where Hugin failed. I'm more into photography and one thing that's annoyed me for a long time was my book creator. I applied to the company to make a Linux version but they refused, though they admit I'm not the only one to ask. Fortunately I managed to find another company reduce my dependence on Microsoft to the minimum. Right now the only thing I need windows for is canon's firmware updates.

[@Nexis4Jersey]

you should try xpano works better then hugin and less complex.

[@arnonart]

@@Nexis4Jersey never heard of but i'll try. Than you!

[@fabricio4794]

You Life is a Misery,sorry for you

[@nukirkking]

For me it's very simple: If I had to choose between my creativity or my philosophy, I would choose my creativity all the time. Do I want less proprietary software? Yes. But never at the cost of being a less productive person. I should be able to use what I need to make sure I do the best work and live the best life without having to worry about what other people think.

[@MaisistkeinGemuese]

This is the best way I've heard it and I totally agree with you! I always tried to explain that simply having the choice was important but I never felt that argument came through.

[@kadupse]

Oh boy. I respect your courage. The Linux community responds pretty badly to the idea that their FOSS solutions aren't perfect and that their jobs as freelance Python programmers do not represent the entirety of the software needed by all professionals on all fields.

[@voidmind]

I don't think that's true anymore. I see more people saying the Linux community thinks like that than comments from actual people saying it.

[@rolandixor]

@@voidmind thank you.

[@_ranko]

@@voidmind wdym I literally just came from a video full of those comments

[@rayjaymor8754]

@@voidmind the linux community is growing a lot recently and with it are more level-headed people. 5 years ago, jumping into r/linux and daring to suggest that GIMP isn't an equivalent to Photoshop was enough to get one burned at the stake.

[@databug]

The biggest thing Id like to see on Linux would be the Affinity Suite. Gimp as fine as it is is just not great and Linux really needs a decent Graphics suite.I use to use Ableton Live to make music but Bitwig serves me pretty well now.

[@brianbergmusic5288]

HIgh five, fellow Bitwigger! It's just too bad orchestral libraries are a bit of a dessert as far as Linux-compatible plugins are concerned. Kontact seems to have that market cornered.

[@EnejJohhem]

"If the only selling point of a software is that it's open source, then we have a problem"

[@bonbonpony]

There's a more important point that you might be missing here: it's free (as in freedom). You can look through its source and make sure that it doesn't do anything sus. You can also modify the source to your own needs, and distribute its copies. With proprietary software, you don't have that luxury.

[@EnejJohhem]

@@bonbonpony No everyone is capable of modifying the source. There's a reason why most people use pirated Photoshop over any free image editing software, cause it's good.

[@bonbonpony]

@@EnejJohhem But everyone is capable of _learning_ how to modify the source. If you're too lazy for that though, you can always pay someone smarter to do it for you. Free software projects usually gladly take donations from the users for introducing new features that they want.

[@EnejJohhem]

@@bonbonpony If that was true everyone would've been a programmer, but that's not the case, on top of that not everyone have money for donations, neither everyone like giving.

[@bonbonpony]

@@EnejJohhem Well then you can't have it both ways. You either use free software as is for no money, or you invest your own time into improving it, or you pay someone else to do it for you. If you use proprietary software instead (which almost always costs you money anyways), you might as well use the same money to improve the free software for yourself and for everyone else. There's no free soup either way.

[@originzz]

Tbh the whole "pure open source" ideology is impossible anyways for the average person or professionals of spheres reliant on industry standard stuff. The focus shouldn't be on pushing an ideology, but on providing a platform that a user can control and have responsibility for, with applications they might need.

[@binder.u]

@@originzz what about blender

[@rolandixor]

​@@binder.ushhhh! Just pretend it sucks.

[@Ðwels]

@@binder.u blender being the standard does not mean is because the ideology, but rather for being a free (in price) and good or even better than paid software, not a thing you can say about Gimp due to it’s lackluster user experience and completely differentiating from the standard option doing even harder the adoption process

[@jeanclaudethedarklord6205]

@@binder.u blender is not industry standard yet and studios require a loooot of industry standard stuffs like zbrush

[@originzz]

@@binder.u blender's an example of a piece of open source software that's actually good tho

[@Rollerpunk182]

I actually believe that proprietary software on Linux is necessary, as an alternative. I have experienced this in my researcher career, where we use Linux when work with open software (such as python or R), but have to keep using windows and Mac for EEG and VR software. If all of these alternatives were available on Linux, the setup of the lab would be more homogeneous, and therefore efficient.

[@eeriemyxi]

Making proprietary software isn't easier than making software. Companies don't make builds for Linux because there's little market for it. Alternatives aren't going to come just because you accept proprietary software now. But people don't use Linux because no big company other than Steam ever gave it a chance. Microsoft did make terminals less scary for Windows people with launch of WSL but that's all.

[@arthurpizza]

People should have the ability to run whatever software they want. I always encourage people to try out free and open source software.

[@kote315]

It is also worth mentioning that there are situations when developers want to make a version for Linux, but it just requires a lot of work. In Russia, there is a CAD called Kompas 3D. At the moment, it only works on Windows. Due to the fact that in Russia there are problems with getting Windows (I mean legally), developers have been trying to make a version for Linux for several years, but so far they have not succeeded. It seems that this software is heavily dependent on Windows libraries and components. So a Linux version will appear someday, but not so soon.

[@0Raik]

In your case i would buy a laptop or a PC with an igpu AND a gpu and good processor. Virtualize windows with the gpu passthru and have close to native hardware acceleration.

[@kote315]

@@0Raik No need to do this - it works with modified Wine (and also regular Wine after some manipulations). I wanted to say that sometimes developers don't release a native Linux version not because they don't want to, but because it's technically difficult and requires a lot of effort.

[@fabricio4794]

You Rusks should Pirate an Autdesk Cad on App Image i know you can do it

[@gruntaxeman3740]

Solution 1: Take ready CAD kernel, UI library and make new application from scratch, and make some conversion tool to move old files to new software. Solution 2: Take old application source modules, and build them on Linux. It will fail, so rewrite all Windows native calls. You can make source to compile by replacing those calls with placeholders that just print console what is called. Solution 3: Use Wine. I however recommend that as bandage, need to cut dependency from that.

[@toonfoxart]

I used Photoshop professionally for years so was a bit tough the switch to Linux, I could say that Krita is awesome and way better than Gimp for a lot of things and also more friendly to learn, I just wish for a layer based video compositor, at the time I keep another PC just for After Effects

[@test-rj2vl]

I think more proprietary software would be good for linux. Like Photoshop would make it more popular among professionals. You can't tell professional wedding photographer to use use Gimp instead - they need to deliver quality by the deadline or their competitor will take over. Same if with office. You can't tell a person who has to do office work daily to just use Libre Office when every other company is doing their work with MS Office.

[@MichaelNROH]

Alternatives just won't work for professionals who are used to a program and are on a schedule. It can work, but there will always be edge cases where an alternative won't be enough

[@test-rj2vl]

@@MichaelNROH To be honest, when people tell me to use Gimp instead, it sometimes feels as offense. I already know Gimp and if it was good and easy to use I would already use it. Right now it feels like it would take less time if I would just learn some image processing library and just program what I want - like 1 line of python code corresponding to each click in gimp. If linux fans would funnel their energy and enthusiasm towards Wine development instead of evangelism and endless UI improvements that would be much more useful - best user interface in the world would not get me to switch but give me Wine that runs everything I want to run with no bugs and I would switch already today even if desktop UI was like Windows 98.

[@eeriemyxi]

You talk as if not accepting proprietary software is the problem with the community. But it's hardly the problem because the actual majority of Linux users don't give a damn about open source. The problem is that the community is too small for big companies to spend money on development for Linux apps.

[@underainq]

if you want to setup your mouse or keyboard (change lightning effect, update firmware) you still can deploy windows on virt-manager qemu/kvm and passthrough usb device to it and install that special software for your device to manipulate it (don't forget that this device from the moment of passthrough will not work on host, so prepare second keyboard or mouse(you can use kde connect controller to do it))

[@SoftTehCustomer]

Open source software is usually only good if it's -Has non programmers on the team working on UI/UX -Sponsored by a giant corporation It's gotta have both IMO.

[@MichaelNROH]

Depends on the application and the scope but for huge ones like for video and audio editing it's mostly true

[@eeriemyxi]

Sponsered with money, not giant corporation. People would rather sell their soul to giant corporation than donate to actually free software. This makes even open source software reliant on for-profit companies because without them there's no money incentives.

[@Mooooov0815]

Unfortunately true. I love KDE, but they would really do good with some more people working on UX stuff

[@gruntaxeman3740]

You forgot that most of the very best open source software don't have UI. Example compilers and interpreters.

[@ZaberfangX]

Just comes down to depends, if a need. If anyone can live with out any proprietary software the better.

[@starfoxdelta]

Gimp really makes me angry face when I open it up

[@hockypockies]

>:(

[@dullahangaming5107]

GIMP was great back in like 2010, but over the years it has continued to fall behind.

[@RogueRen]

The only thing that annoys me is people who think an alternative has to be a 1:1 clone of what it's replacing. GIMP is a PS alternative, but it isn't a 1:1 replacement that'll work for every PS user. But it IS an option that's available to try. If it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work, but people shouldn't write it off just because it not PS so there for its garbage. If you need to use PS for exclusive stuff then yeah GIMP won't work for you, but if all you do is like make YT thumbnails GIMP very much could do everything you need.

[@OutLanderUSN]

I know a guy who feels this way, and it's hella frustrating. The worst part is that I don't even think he uses the stuff he claims he needs more than a few times a year.

[@A5A5A5A5h]

Even if you use the 1/10 of PS features, why would you switch to GIMP? Its UX/UI is objectively worse, why would anyone want to use a worse product is beyond my comprehension. The same goes for LibreOffice.

[@Sitwayen]

@@A5A5A5A5h Because of the philosophy behind them. FOSS.

[@eeriemyxi]

​@@A5A5A5A5h I know right? I can't even believe there are people who oppose to paying 30 dollars _per month_ for a software when there are completely free and non-spyware options available.

[@mathewcarnaby]

Completely agree. I do digital design for work and have dabbled with Linux on the side for years. I do find it incredible how good some of the open software is - like Blender, Inkscape, GIMP, LibreOffice. And thankfully Davinci Resolve and Lightworks are already on Linux - plus Steam (yay!). But Scribus is a candle against Affinity Publisher or (ick) Adobe InDesign. It's the only thing stopping me from jumping to Linux as my main OS.

[@MichaelNROH]

I thankfully never used any of those, but it is definitely a problem if you need them

[@MaticJ29]

Another thing that is the issue is that open source "alternatives" are just simply awful, when compared to their proprietary counterparts. Noone would say "I want to be on linux but I need premiere/photoshop/whatever" if the open source variants had good UX in mind. Take GIMP for example, it has a lot of cool features, but actually getting something done is a puzzle.

[@PrazgreenStudios]

exactly. I love FreeCAD, but compared to Onshape, it is simply unusable for my workflow. I do use a lot of FOSS solutions like GIMP and Inkscape as they fit my needs, but if I need something else unavailable in FOSS, proprietary it is

[@MrToup]

Oh my god I did not know about piper for the mouse on Linux. This is life changer for me.

[@Satseful]

Propietary software is important to get money for software development. The biggest problem with Open Source is, that it is getting money mainly from big companies, so either it is focusing to please those big companies in development OR there is too little money for development. The volunteer programmers help, but in bigger picture is not the solution. For some simple and common software, the open source can work still well. But more obscure and complicate the software is, harder it is to develop as FOSS. That's why getting the dev support by propietary software is important. Also for some industries (like photo editing with photoshop) the propietary roots are so strong, that it is very difficult to break nowdays, and that's why the option is also good.

[@Its-Just-Zip]

Wherever possible, I make use of open source software. But for stuff like my graphics drivers, I need access to the CUDA stack, meaning that I need to use the proprietary drivers. It's almost to the point where I am considering leaving Fedora and either going to something arch-based or Debian-based so that I can get access to a functioning resolve package. But for now, KDEnlive is working fine for me.

[@dullahangaming5107]

I cannot recommend Arch-based distros enough. Every time ive run Fedora i had a multitude of nagging issues, including Nobara. Debian is not bad, but the AUR is so superior to anything else for software availability. No more adding keys to download the most important things.

[@Mooooov0815]

Can’t you simply add the proprietary drivers from the rpmfusion repositories?

[@MrPlazma]

The only bad experience i have on linux is davinci resolve doesnt want to work for me. I tried distrobox but that didnt work either on Mint 22. Other than that, i have a much better experience than on windows and i happily use gimp instead of photoshop

[@ChernobylGuy]

This is one of the many reasons I can't switch to Linux. I works with a video editing company. While I did my duty to make some people switch to Davinci, some are still on Premiere. So I might need to finish someone else's video in Premiere. If I switch to Linux I'm screwed in that case. Also lack of AAC support in Davinci on Linux is quite a hurdle too.

[@arisreyful]

For me is the same in windows I'm a pirate because the high prizes of private programs like Adobe and Microsoft Office in Linux I feel comfortable because I don't need to pirate any more.

[@MegaManNeo]

You sums things up pretty well here. Options? YES! Even closed source ones! Should be forced to use those or to switch operating systems (and thus sometimes hardware) too? No. Not at all.

[@NiffirgkcaJ]

As much as I would like to use FOSS apps, it's just that some projects just don't reach the same quality as the proprietary apps. I wish for FOSS apps to be more widely used, like OBS or VLC, but this is widely the issue that I encounter with FOSS apps.

[@infinitivez]

I can't get Piper to work yet on my Logi G915 and Pro mouse. Every time I try to commit a change, it reports the state of the device has changed, and reverts. It'll reset my DPI to 300, every time I open it though. lol I think it would be nice if these solutions worked on linux, but they just don't. I've heard plenty of people claim Photoshop works, but the methodology used only takes and runs a snapshot of it. Office, I have no idea what the state of that is on linux now. Honestly, I've yet to find anything it does, that I can't do in a google doc or opensource, and better. Would I use photoshop if it came to linux? probably. I use everything under the sun for drawing and editing. Having yet one more tool to play with is like giving me a brand new art box. An expensive art box...

[@MichaelNROH]

Piper had the unfortunate proplem that it was unmaintained for a while, but these issue might be resolved with the latest release. It's not availabe in repositories yet (as far as I know), but it's coming soon

[@infinitivez]

@@MichaelNROH Just got done compiling from source both piper and libratbag, and yikes. They do not play well with my G915 or Logitech Pro mouse. They'll detect fine, but the lighting and buttons still have serious issues. I guess when you said repos, you meant github too?

[@thalapathyguru586]

Make a video for batocera retro and make the old laptop into an gaming console

[@-Six-]

Like most of us I use Linux. For me I don't have anything against proprietary software. Almost all my software is Open Source (Except Affinity photo) as I still prefer the increased transparency of them and try to donate to my favorite projects. But in the end of the day I also support choice and I would rather there is the choice to use proprietary programs that are available, and people have the choice of what to use or not on their systems or what works best for their needs.

[@pipeliner8969]

did you stop syncing to Odysee?

[@MichaelNROH]

Not manually no. I don't really pay attention but if it's no longer working then I'm gonna take a look at it

[@aymenchraf]

For me, paid apps are an essential element for the success of any operating system, and their presence as an available option is very important. Open source applications are a very ideal idea, but sometimes it cannot be implemented in large projects. Large projects need good management and good developers who must get paid in the end. I think Adobe and Microsoft Office applications will be a very strong addition to Linux.

[@vinny-zebu]

Honestly I wouldn't mind using proprietary software on Linux at all. The feeling of being stuck on Windows just because third party companies don't give it support is the real problem. Just like you said, it's good when you have the freedom to chose.

[@ManuelCam]

A license that prevents forks doesn't give bad image at my point of view. Sure, I can't use that code in other places, but at least I can check that I'm not installing malware

[@xard64]

The graphical enviroment developers in Linux unfortunately do not have virtually infinite resources to test everything all the time. For open source programs this is actually not big of an problem as there are many early adopter users usually helping sorting out issues well in advance before the updates land on downstream distributions. For closed propriatery software this is a bit of different kind of issue: depending from the support scope you pretty much always need to update something when there is a new release of the supported distribution and you don't get help outside besides bug reports. Currently the only way to guarantee some kind of "fire and forget" level of compatibility is by using a Proton like wrapper or emulation if want things just work and allow others to the low level maintenance for you.

[@NewNiklas0803]

Great video! Summarizes the thing perfectly for me.

[@imaguyyesmale]

I haven't see the full video yet, but uh... i think open source software suits me well for now as a begginer.

[@ArefinKarim]

Good thing that I am not used to Ms office and adobe products, I have started my computing journey on Linux, used a windows for while, but instantly hated it, with the exception of windows 7. I do all of my school works in libreoffice and google drive, so no big deal.

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

The issue is if your college or work demands you use microsoft products you have no choice

[@ArefinKarim]

​@@definitlynotbenlente7671 good thing that till now my school does not require Ms office and the things that requires Ms office can be done on wine.

[@icristian6707]

I m sure people would have zero problems paying for an app on Linux but they have to make it available....

[@jamalMusiala-t2c]

Everything in Linux is good for me as I don't play games. I used windows because it has a good tts support but I completely removed windows yesterday as I found a good way to do it in Linux.

[@kooky2]

Lack of a good, comparable option to MS Publisher unfortunately forced my move back to windows. 😢

[@lorddarthvader6289]

I'm lucky enough to be studying CS where all the software I need works on linux. But if I was doing something else like art or finance, theres no way you can take the same college classes or do the same jobs with open source software. Its just not the same.

[@insu_na]

Yes, F- you, Linus Torvalds for not ensuring that Photoshop works on Linux!!!!11111eleven Wait am I hearing that this is entirely a decision in the hands of Adobe and has nothing to do with Linux?

[@Damglador]

Lmao, this ^

[@MrGamelover23]

Why would they cater to 3 percent of the market? Don't be dumb.

[@Damglador]

@@MrGamelover23 because money are money? Can you even imagine how much people is these 3%? Tho everyone hates them anyway, especially Linux users, so..........

[@insu_na]

@@MrGamelover23 take your non-argument and put it when the sun don't don't shine

[@MrGamelover23]

@@insu_na You want to explain to me how it's a non-argument?

[@ShashotoANur]

It's about using the right tools for the job. But a lot of awesome command-line tools for Linux aren't available on Windows. So, you gotta find some workarounds. It would be great if the original stuff was available on Windows, but sometimes you gotta make do with what you've got. And that mindset is extremely important for getting things done.

[@Atomicjtx]

Today i learned that piper exists. Going to try that out now!

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

Good luck, its never worked for me.

[@dullahangaming5107]

Piper is amazing if you have a mouse it supports. It supports most of the really popular Logitech mice, ive used it on multiple computers for multiple mice. It does not work on a third with a logitech mx anywere 2S, but it does support the other variants.

[@welinsonabreu3362]

Thanks my friend!!

[@hihu6324]

I'm using the proprietary dgital audio workstation BITWIG because it suits best my personal workflow. Yeah there are definitely other DAW, which are open source but none of them are the way bitwig works. Even compared to other paid software Bitwig is one of the best. And the developers also support open source. The controller scripts are opensource, they support Jack and Pipewire Audio and they also created a VST replacement called CLAP. Im showing my support for the developers in buying regularly updates because the made the software available on linux.

[@doombringerson]

I’m using nobara on a second computer, and the only thing keeping me from using on my main pc is the elgato hardware I use.

[@MichaelNROH]

Elgato is one of those companies that I'm still mad at when it comes to some of their products. I still don't understand why they used different standards for some capture cards for example.

[@sonicpigz]

Я думаю, что любым компаниям стоит выпускать своё ПО под открытой лицензией, после прекращения поддержки пропитанного пакета. Будь-то устаревшие версии виндовс или игры не приносящие прибыль, неважно, такое решение пойдёт на пользу всему сообществу.

[@gordonfreeman9641]

Supporting software like photoshop, premiere, ms office. Its an absolute non-negotiable for linux marketshare to climb anything above 15%

[@bonevelous]

Honestly I more think that while I agree that I don't mind having proprietary software in my Linux system, a lot of times, the proprietary solution won't have a native port, and running the software through wine isn't necessarily as good as running it natively in windows, so for me a lot of times the open source options are the only option that I have. That said, usually the open source solutions are good enough for my purposes, to the point that I prefer them even when I'm using proprietary OSes such as windows, and a lot of video games (especially single player games as they tend not to have kernel-level anti-cheat) work in Linux through Steam using proton, so they aren't as much a part of this conversation anymore.

[@MichaelNROH]

I don't mind Wine if something is optimized for it. Since it's just using different system calls that Linux understands it's more like a more stable framework than libraries that might change often on some distros.

[@asifshamsi5630]

Proprietary software should be ported to Linux. This the only hurdle for me to switch to Linux.

[@qlum]

Nothing wrong with using proprietary software. Personally prefer to learn the open options, but if you need work done and open source projects are not up to the task fair enough. Personally will say is I prefer open options over pirating closed ones. Have learned gimp well before moving to linux (never used photoshop) used open office later libreoffice for a good while.

[@Luquinha-qf4kb]

Work seems to have become some sort of demonic word in the recent times.

[@Prophet6000]

I would like more choice. But not much you can since Linux market share is still low and big companies don't care.

[@rchltmedia]

i'm switching to linux in my crappy laptop not for escaping B.S. present on windows, but only for using KVM/Qemu.

[@zezba9000]

Linux needs a driver kit so proprietary driver makers and hardware makers can support the operating system without having to work with the Linux community to do it. It also allows proprietary drivers to work with new kernel versions without the hardware maker having to spend money to maintain them

[@fabricio4794]

i CAN desagree More about this Video,im a graphic Designer,i sell my independent Art Online,i use Free and Only Open Source Software,i have a lot a work to do and im selling my Art,i Suggest People Brake the chains from creativity and Think and do Things out of the Box.

[@jorge86rodriguez]

I don't think it's that big of a deal to use proprietary apps. Is the os that is critical to be open source since proprietary os have the ability to significantly abuse more the user.

[@brianbergmusic5288]

Totally understandable. I switched to Linux (via Bitwig) a few months ago, but as a hobby musician. For music produciton, there is a lot to be thankful for, BUT I do not know of any strong Linux-native solutions for getting a competitive selection of orchestral libraries for Linux (if you need to create good mock-up symphonic tracks for games, film, etc.) Kontact (Windows only) seems to have most A-Tier options.

[@pathologicusmaximus]

Do you use yabridge?

[@brianbergmusic5288]

​@@pathologicusmaximus Sort of. I use AV-MX Linux that features a pre-installed GUI suite of tools built off of YaBridge called YaRBridge (not sure what the 'R' means). It's sort of a 90s-like GUI for adding and managing your VSTs that you wish to bridge (it's just YaBridge with a GUI). I'm able to sync a few Windows based plugs to use in Bitwig (one of my favorites being Cherry Audio's *Mercury 6* ). I was NOT able to sync Steinberg's *Retrologue 2* (regrettably), as the installer-manager (running via WINE) has only ever crashed. Therefore, YaBridge not a silver bullet, and I've heard that it is highly dubious to bridge plugins that need an iLok (so I haven't even tried for iLoked plugs tbh).

[@CaptainDangeax]

Hi. I started Linux in 1996 and switched as main system when a NTFS crash made me loose all my data. I still own a 1st gen i7 running win7 32 bits for some proprierary softwares like mcu programmers, but I do all my activity on Linux. And if a software is not running on Linux, I probably don't need it

[@davidswanson9269]

I would like a software container technology to make operating system independent applications. Develop once and deploy on any OS platform with full function parity. So let's say when Microsoft decides to exercise their prerogative under the EULA to change or modify your computer's functionality or delete files, you can migrate your container applications to Linux or Mac.

[@MichaelNROH]

Technically speaking Container solutions like Docker and Podman are exactly that. Flatpak and Snaps, while not the same, can also be viewed similarly, but the problem is of course Mac support. On Windows it would technically be possible to run containerized applications via WSL but this requires a Linux first mindset

[@Spoooce]

Microsoft will never put office on Linux because office is their main product. Windows has always been an avenue to sell copies of office, and nowadays the data collection is a bonus, but still big enough to make them want to keep people on windows. It would be nice, sure. But there’s really not a huge chance of it happening

[@clonkex]

Office is soooooo not their main product lmao. Windows and the ads, bloatware, data mining and vendor lock-in that come with it are their main products, and I say that as a Windows user.

[@ВладимирДимов-л6р]

There are still some features used a lot from ordinary people but... doesn't matter - Linux probably still NOT HAVING these natively available unlike Microsoft's Windows and Apple's MacOS proprietary OSes: 1. Dolby - no native support for cinema films that might be using; 2. H264, H265 and VP9 codecs (does not apply for very recently AV1 video codec that's open-souce) and Apple's AAC audio format - all are still unavailable on Linux, which sucks and might be why Linux DaVinci Resolve is still lacking these codecs unlike its Windows and MacOS versions. Especially unavailability of all of those listed codes on DaVinci Resolve - for example, without AAC and either h264 or h265 codecs support at all, you will NOT EVEN BE ABLE do edit any videos recorded by your Android smartphone for example, if it uses AAC codec to record video's sound and/or H265 codec for video compression; 3. Video Hardware Acceleration - still unavailable on Linux which means your CPU will take a MUCH MORE POWER to play video without frame drops, compared with it enabled on either MacOS or Windows; 4. HDR - there's seems to be actually some progress, but Linux is still somewhat behind in this aspect.

[@gruntaxeman3740]

Those codecs have been on Linux.. probably always. And probably also made on Linux except those that originated from Apple. I have used all of those codecs on Linux all the time. DaVinci Resolve don't use them at least on defaults but that doesn't matter, they just likely want to sanitize their software out of anything patented. Video hardware acceleration has been working on Linux since 2008. However, video acceleration on browser came 3 years ago. I haven't experience any issue on HDR imaging.

[@JsmeLabs]

See well i don't mind if stuff is proprietary but what i do mind and hate is the "Windows only" BS mindset from developers and i do get why it is done, cause of marketshare but it is frustrating.

[@notyoutube8128]

Oh the gate keepers is going to be mad at this

[@raphaelkyembe4407]

I use Blender, LibreCAD and QGIS. They are all enough for me

[@shattereddnb3268]

Adobe Photoshop, MS Office and the likes will never be availible for linux since it´s such a hassle making executables for every distro out there, so making the source code availible so the user can compile their own executables is pretty much the only option, and that will never happen with commercial software

[@BR0KK85]

It's the ole tale of Linux and the gatekeeping. No one has an issue with games on Linux that you pay for but if you even mention that MS Office is in a entirely different league compared to open source alternatives the gatekeeping harpies come out from under the bed 😅

[@OutLanderUSN]

We need a legitimate and valid competitor to Windows, and MACOS ain't it. Bringing proprietary software to Linux would drive that.

[@nezu_cc]

+100% effort for +3% users, good luck explaining that to a big company. We first need decent market share (at least in the double digits) before we get any noticable "voting power".

[@dexterman6361]

Logitech used to be good. It's completely enshitified. I am sick and tired. Great video. Hey also, your shirts, is there a way I can see how much and where the donations go towards?

[@MichaelNROH]

It's now on the website itself: horn-originals.com/pages/about Basically how everything works, which projects are currently supported and how high the amount is (or is allowed to be)

[@dexterman6361]

@@MichaelNROH Perfect!

[@arghyaprotimhalder5592]

KDE live I used it not it don't have half of the features i need . Gimp is good but i have to manually mod that application and add the features i want why i professional would do that You ain't gonna pay my bills Most people shout on reddit aren't professional they just normal people with basic editing saying big shot

[@AM92-1st]

One of the reasons why people don't use open source apps and insted go to piracy is that their not aware that there are alternatives that they can get and their only told to get the propeitary stuff, i know alot of people that do that

[@MichaelNROH]

What I also saw a couple of times is, that even if they are aware of a different solution, they don't go for it because "no one else" uses it

[@radiolamp]

полностью согласен с автором, только я бы все проприетарные софт упаковывал бы во flatpak что бы безопасность была бы на уровне

[@starfoxdelta]

That's a great idea

[@pelaajahacks8358]

i really dont get why conpanies just wont make native linux support. some software could just be easily exported to linux, what did it take? 10 minutes of someones time

[@domojestic4155]

10 minutes of effort that could easily be spent somewhere else, with significantly more assurance that it would make more money. Plus, it's probably *way* more than 10 minutes, especially for applications that require more "specific" development, such as graphics applications or things that require cloud integration. Just look at Zed, a code editor, which pretty much had to create an app for every possible combination of Linux DE and display server. It's practically difficult, and financially non-profitable. So the question you should *really* be asking is; how can we change these factors to make Linux development more attractive to corporate entities?

[@maxave7448]

My guess is that some developers may rely on the windows C/C++ API (since C/C++ is a VERY common programming language for desktop apps) too much from the get go with no cross-compatibilty for other OS's in mind. If this project goes on with no cross-compatibility in mind for a few years, adding linux compatibility would be almost like rewriting the entire core of their app, which might actually take a long time depending on how bad it is. You have to remember that most apps usually have hundreds of thousands of lines of code, if not millions. Now, the main problem isn't that it can be tricky to rewrite the codebase for linux support; the main issue is that it can turn into a major project for the company that will need a lot of time and money and a lot of skilled programmers, which means the company will have to compensate by delaying a lot of new features or bug fixes, and since currently linux (unfortunately) has less than 5% desktop market share, most companies see adding linux compatibility as a large investment with microscopic profitability, which is why a lot of these companies will not add linux compatibility until all the windows users force them to by switching to the superior OS. As for Microsoft products, they will likely never add linux support since they need to get people hooked on their windows ecosystem, and adding full linux support would drive a lot of people, especially office workers, away from windows immediately since there would be no reason to let it spy on them anymore.

[@marschallblucher6197]

I think the main reason is because making a Linux package for the software means you actively support it on that platform. Meaning the developers have to make sure updates don't break on Linux and provide customer support to Linux users. Meaning devs and support teams have to take up a whole new set of knowledge. Having some random guy repackage it into a Flatpak or letting people run it though WINE is just easier since if someone has a problem they can say "Not our problem, take it up with the WINE devs/maintainer"

[@marschallblucher6197]

@@maxave7448 I think that's why it's easier to just make your application play nice with WINE/Proton than to actually properly port software from Windows to Linux.

[@averdadeeumaso4003]

Lol it doesn't take 10 minutes in the majority of cases

[@raimg1816]

Because KZbinrs say so , rest 90+ ppl for normal usecase it is

[@cbbcbb6803]

Open-source is more than enough.

[@aryansingh-ne9je]

This is what Yanis Varofakis describes as Technofeudslim What killed Capitalism!

[@Soccera0]

Most distros ship proprietary software though. Very few distros ship libre kernels so I wouldn't put it past distros to ship more proprietary software if it was made available. This would degrade free software and ruin the ecosystem. It's something you really have to worry about.

[@Muhammet-Kuruoglu]

How would it degrade free software? I really think it hurts more being as much open source as possible. The user experience is aweful on linux without proprietary software.

[@surplusking2425]

I bet most people (approx 99% of users) will be OK for GIMP, Inkscape and Libreoffice than their proprietary alternatives (Ps, Ai, XL)

[@Resolve4u]

@@surplusking2425 I make all the thumbnails in Gimp.

[@MichaelNROH]

On a global scale most definitely. In our "interest bubble" we only see a fraction of global use cases

[@gordonfreeman9641]

They won't lol, just cuz they'll be good enough on paper doesn't mean that your avarage Joe will want to learn it. For mass Linux adoption, full software support is an absolute non-negotiable

[@A5A5A5A5h]

No lol, that’s not how professional people think. Also, if the closed source software works fine, why would you switch to an inferior alternative? That’s the reason of why FOSS will never succeed: you don’t have any clue how the industry works.

[@ismaelfernandezmendez1664]

A perfect world would have all software free, free in freedom, not in prize. Since the world is not perfect, Linux distributions should be happy that propietary solution exists in the first place. FOSS software is a bless, but so is propietary software. Linux should be all about the choice. I moved to Linux because I want to be in charge on the decissions I want to make in my computer. I don't want Microsoft to force me things I do not want. If you hate propietary solutions, even if they still exist in Linux, you are not forced to use them. That kind of stuff only happens in Microsoft or Apple ecosystem. But also, this movement should also be about keeping a balance between not being limited and choice. For example, I game on Linux mainly these days. But if I can't play something on Linux, I use a Windows instance instead. Get the best of both worlds. I love FOSS but I also love software in general. I love not being chained to the choice I made to try to have more freedom.

[@bonbonpony]

So your advice is "just be rich"? :q

[@MichaelNROH]

Wat?

[@bhargavjitbhuyan9394]

I have got an office 2021 licence with my laptop. I want to use it on linux. I am currently using libreoffice and freeoffice. Without a virtual machine, I can't use ms office. I hate microsoft and moreso, they tracking me.

[@williammc6953]

la gente se mantiene en Windows por las aplicaciones y los juegos, no realmente por el sistema operativo en si. Por eso jamas veremos una versión de Office para Linux o versiones de adobe para Linux, hay contratos de exclusividad firmados por esas empresas y Microsoft para que estas eviten portar su software a Linux so pena de infringir alguna clausula contractual.

[@Fren-t9b]

I want to use free software whenever I can, to me that's the entire point of using Linux. I'm in control of my computer and my software instead of the other way around.

[@arthurbringel8610]

@@Fren-t9b I agree. But i think it should have the option anyway. Sometimes you need that other thing.

[@MichaelNROH]

True, but the option to use something else should be there, as long as it is optional

[@arthurbringel8610]

@@MichaelNROH it sure does. Especially for those who don't care that much about FOSS or in some cases need non-foss software. It would be great, it would be more accessible for people to come to linux. And i would make us develop better software than just be in our comfortable zone that does not push us a lot to create better software because people in linux are obligated to use those. Like, GIMP could be way better software and be a real competitor like Blender.

[@jonathandawson3091]

Do not understand the point of this video. Yes proprietary software would be nice on Linux, but mostly they are not there because the corporations owning them don't make them. Who is this video for?

[@dustsucker4704]

I dont care if it's proprietarie or open source(prefered) as long as it runs on Linux some how, Otherwise the Software sucks.

[@TazzSmk]

answer: because UI/UX is crap

[@MrAlexFortis]

I think, that more than half of the people, who claim, that they can't switch to linux because there's no photoshop either use old pirated version of photoshop once/twice a year (and can easily substituite it with gimp) or don't use it at all.

[@MichaelNROH]

We shouldn't forget that we are in a bubble of the same interests. The reason on why we see so many complains is, because we sometimes mix with those who currently use it.

[@PixLgams]

"I wouldn't use proprietary software on Linux by default but I'd like to have the option to if I needed it." A refreshingly level-headed and pragmatic take on paper, until you consider who did - or rather didn't - give you this option in the first place. This combined with the ignorance of new users (often prejudiced Windows migrants) is what heats up this whole debate around FLOSS alternatives. Linux and it's community are blamed both for problems it didn't cause as well as the workarounds to try dealing with them. This prejudice is impossible to please from within the community. If Linux users had the option to run proprietary software, the debate about FLOSS alternatives would devolve into mere purist elitism (of the likes of e.g. the distro wars) and this entire video wouldn't need to exist.

[@brisbinchicken]

Photopea 🤷

[@Sitwayen]

The fact that people pirate and infect their computers with viruses all the time shows that you are wrong. Even you would not have bothered to look for Opensourced solutions if Proprietary and well marketed software were available.