Why Ottomans couldn't spread Turkish language?

[@mustafasamil477]

I am from Damascus. My grandmother's father (Muhammed Fawzi Pasha ) was a famous pasha in the Ottoman Empire. He knew Ottoman Turkish. My grandmother also used some Turkish words that she learned from her father. For example, I remember her saying "Allah mustahaqin wersin" "sani kuftehor sani" when she got angry. She also played the oud for us and sang Turkish songs for us. There was a song she sang that I will never forget and I still sing it : "Yinabir gulin hal aldabu gonulumu simtan gonja fam biybadal ol guzal". My family knew the Ottoman language because they were active in Ottoman politics. But the idea of forcing people to use a single language in modern nation states or colonial states did not exist in the traditional states of the past. The Ottomans are a combination of the cultural diversity of Islamic civilization that modern people cannot understand. Turkish was used in politics and the army, poems were written in Persian, and the language of science, philosophy and religion was Arabic. Apart from these, many different languages were spoken by the people (millat) in the Ottoman lands.

[@ahmethasanzengin4392]

I can say Turks can clearly understand these words.

[@evidemment14]

Yine bir Gülnihâl aldı bu gönlümü Sim ten, gonca fem bibedel ol güzel That is a piece of waltz in Ottoman Turkish, mostly unintelligible for today's Turks. I can see it is heavily influenced by Persian. We could recognize every single word, but still the context would be unfamiliar to us anyway. It is like reading Middle English for a native English speaker from today

[@bulentkulkuloglu]

My outmost respect to your late grandmother May her soul rest in peace The song you mentioned is one I like a lot.

[@mustafasamil477]

@@evidemment14 Ah, thank you very much for the information. I don't know how to write in Turkish. My family elders loved Turkish music. When I was little, I grew up listening to these songs. My grandmother had a beautiful voice, she played the oud and piano. She also listened to songs from Munir Nuraddin and Hafiz Burhan's gramophone records that my uncle brought from Istanbul. I have always been interested in Turkish music through my grandmother. I think the song Gulnihal is a composition by Hammamizada Efendi. I love listening to Turkish musicians Bekir Sidki, Alaaddin Yavas and Munir Nuraddin. Turkish music and its maqams are very similar to Arabic music. But of course, both have their own unique beauty. I am very happy to know both cultures. Greetings and love to all Turks from an Ottoman Damascene grandson from Paris.🇸🇾♥️🇹🇷

[@mustafasamil477]

@@bulentkulkuloglu Choq teshekkurat efendim. Choq sherafyab oldum.♥️

[@turkkahvesi07]

Ottoman Empire was a tax collecting empire. As long as the subjects to the Empire paid their tax, they were free to do whatever they wanted to.

[@ozan7427]

People dont understand while ottomans took persian and byzantine administration perks they still had nomadic traditions they didnt gaf about religion and language of others as long as they paid tribute or tax.

[@Hession0Drasha]

Sounds a bit like modern usa. Inside their territory anyway

[@ManCheat2]

"free to do whatever they wanted to do" uh. bud... they heavily restricted what non muslims could do, and alot of the times killed people not of the book if they didnt convert lmao.

[@baalyoz]

​Killing pagans were quite common thing in Eastern Rome as well.

[@turkturkic7015]

thetax was by islamic rule. only 10% if you are wealthy otherwise no tax.

[@yagizkart1]

Ottoman takeover of the Balkans wasn't like the Roman invasion of the Gauls or the Spanish takoever of the Americas, which saw enormous shifts in cultural and religious networks and the toppling-down of entire systems of government. The Ottomans, after a military victory, IF they want to incorporate the territory into the imperial network, simply installed a governor or made a deal with the existing one in that territory - and didn't try to make any change in an already-functioning state apparatus. Religious conversion, though somewhat desirable or necessary in some occasions, was not mandatory. All these factors combined, Turkish didn't get a stronghold in the Balkans and the surrounding regions. Ottomans came at a time when Balkan nations already had strong literary traditions with semi-standardized orthographies, all tied to religion and the broader Church institutions. These institutions controlled the respective languages their people spoke and were officially incorporated into the Ottoman system of governance. These all meant there wasn't really a need (or a desire) to switch to Turkish in a cultural or religious sense. Yes, many languages were often transcribed in the Ottoman script (Albanian and Bosnian especially) but beyond that, Balkans had working high-language registers before the arrival of the Ottomans. As for the Middle East and North Africa, Arabic and Persian were already prestige languages even for the Ottoman Turks, so they enjoyed a relative natural "protected" status; and the Ottoman political and military presence in the region was relatively limited, especially when compared to the Balkans and Anatolia.

[@kuershatkurt6003]

if that was the reason why did same people started to speak french? you are taking results of lack of effort and will to make it happen and with that premise you are creating reasons for why it couldn't happen.

[@yagizkart1]

@@kuershatkurt6003 which same people?

[@jimanast3593]

What a description of a nice (Ottoman) world! Occupation was occupation and slavery was slavery! ​By writting such rubbish U R insulting so many people who lived happily under so much and such oppression and who finally happily died by losing their head, being impaled, scorched to death by burning oil, draged and quartered by horses or ships, hanged from their torso by giant hooks etc... The image at 0:46 is a mild showing of ottoman (turkish) tolerance! These people lived happily by paying heavy tax they couldn't afford, they also had to pay jizia in order to keep their head in place, nobility had to give their children to be "educated" (this is how "parents' control" was presented), and possibly being islamised and turkified; ie loosing their identity! Common people had to pay blood tax by having their kids kidnapped and never seen again (by becoming jenissaries the boys and sex slaves in harems the girls) and many other bad things... Then you were free to do what you want living happily... EXCEPT, wearing red and green, using bells in church, etc, etc, etc... and you were free to do whatever you want living happily... EXCEPT, speaking UR language deep in Anatolia, otherwise UR tongue would be cut off; EXCEPT revolting for living this way in this ottoman paradise! They had to suffer respect and tolerance in order to pay taxes! Converting wasn't necessary (Christians were needed to pay the taxes) but was obligatory under the sword; the other option in this case (under the sword) was to be killed! Nobles and other people of some position had to surrender to keep their privileges (in case they fought they stayed free in case of winning, they became dead in case of loosing). Till the 15th and 16th century. Later, they had to convert in order to keep their privileges! Another mandatory case of converting... During the 1770 greek revolution, the Sultan ordered "KILL THEM ALL" and he revoked his order immediately, because the Admiral of the Aegean asked: "...and who is going to pay the taxes?" U get the point?

[@jimanast3593]

​Occupation is occupation, slavery is slavery! By writting such rubbish U R insulting so many people who lived happily under so much and such oppression and who finally happily died by losing their head, being impaled, scorched to death by hot oil, draged and quartered by horses or ships, hanged from their torso by giant hooks etc... The image at 0:46 is a mild showing of ottoman (turkish) tolerance! These people lived happily by paying heavy tax they couldn't afford, they also had to pay jizia in order to keep their head in place, nobility had to give their children to be "educated" (this is how "parents' control" was presented), and possibly being islamised and turkified; ie loosing their identity! Common people had to pay blood tax by having their kids kidnapped and never seen again (by becoming jenissaries the boys and sex slaves in harems the girls) and many other bad things... Then you were free to do what you want living happily... EXCEPT, wearing red and green, using bells in church, etc, etc, etc... and you were free to do whatever you want living happily... EXCEPT, speaking UR language deep in Anatolia, otherwise UR tongue would be cut off; EXCEPT revolting for living this way in this ottoman paradise! They had to suffer respect and tolerance in order to pay taxes! During the Ottoman expansion, there were 2 choises: to fight and be free if winning and die in case of loosing OR to surrender to keep UR life, family and privileges (in case of nobles and people with some influence to the local community). Since 1600, this changed: U had to be converted in order to keep UR privileges! Other case of obligatory conversions: under the sword... There was an option of course... The dilemma was: "dead or Muslim"! During the 1770 greek revolution, the Sultan ordered "KILL THEM ALL" and he revoked his order immediately, because the Admiral of the Aegean asked: "...and who is going to pay the taxes?" U get the point?

[@kuershatkurt6003]

@@jimanast3593 i see you were there to tell us.

[@nenenindonu]

Turks never had the zeal of spreading their language. There isn't a single language whose extinction was caused by Ottomans contrary to colonial empires like Britain, France, Russia, Rome etc. who were responsible for various extinct languages

[@FrancisUnderwood-fz6qb]

Whattt?

[@UndoEverything]

Write it as: "... for various languages extinction". BTW, not just languages but cultures and the whole population of tribes.

[@UndoEverything]

@@FrancisUnderwood-fz6qb The OP has brain which you don't.

[@nenenindonu]

​@@UndoEverythingcultures and ethnicities just follow once the language is gone 99% of the time. The language is one groups prime identity

[@JerronHonda]

If you want to spread your culture and language one really important thing is to be smart, something ottomans were lacking hard

[@aceberganabolic]

italians made island greeks to learn italian as mandatory language even they keep the island in very short time Turks did not made turkish language mandatory to learn even 500 years of rules...

[@jimanast3593]

Other worse things were mandatory! Oppression, blood tax, slavery... If U didn't like such things, torture, death! No Italian forced ever a Dodecanesian Greek to carry him on his back! To avoid this, people in Chios island were walking always in groups of 2,4 etc; so that in case they see a Turk, the one carried the other, in order to avoid carrying the Turk! There is a difference between italian occupation and Turkish slavery!

[@aceberganabolic]

@@jimanast3593 But they still speak greek and they are cristian ... tax was always ther for all emparor it was custom and normal for that times.. greek slaves speak greeks yes but not slave greeks have to speak italian .. turks was better to greeks actually for that time.. some times bad people may do bad but you can not blame all for that kind of bad treatment..

[@metehanakdagg]

@@jimanast3593 It was not slavery, grow up. The Turks never enslaved the local populations of the people that they conquered. And don't even start with the ''bLoOd tAx'' bs, you pay unbelievable amount of tax to your government today, do you seriously expect a state defeating another state and not put tax on their people? you must be out of your mind

[@Sovyetadam]

@@jimanast3593 source?

[@jimanast3593]

@@Sovyetadam Well known phrase in Greece (and it's history through tradition etc): "Γιατί οι Χιώτες πάνε 2 - 2;"

[@lovely7840]

The Ottomans COULD spread Turkish, but didn't want to do so by force. They just left the people speak their own languages.

[@dzevadbayraktar322]

but many locals also learnt Turkish some on their own for better communication and rising up in community and business

[@PieroM-c9s]

Right they just tried covering everyone but your free to speak your language 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@najibullahghafori3739]

so why does modern anatolians stoped speaking greek and armenian and speak turkish today? they trukified whole anatolia which in itslef is a large chunk of territory

[@trapboi1111]

@@najibullahghafori3739exactly, there is a time in history called “Turkification of Anatolia” many ethnic groups who spoke other languages from different languages families were turkified.

[@PaoloCavestro-ey9bb]

Meglio l'italiano del turco. L'italiano deve diffondersi in tutto il mondo,non il vostro turco.

[@billyjesus5442]

Turks never made an effort to spread it lol. By Imperial standards the Turks were pretty soft, yeah they will defeat your armies and takeover, but after that they left you alone to rule yourself just pay your tribute. Had they been like english, french, russians etc most of the world would be speaking today when you consider that the Ottomans is just one of about 40 empires the Turkic people created.

[@dam8498]

Does this paying tribute include first born son like in other empires 🤔

[@Tranquillow2]

​@dam8498, obviously, it's the medieval era

[@billyjesus5442]

@@dam8498 conscription is quite normal, even today. Whats surprising is that europeans made less then 1% of the Ottoman army. Truth be told its crazy that the Muslim Turks didnt just use the Christian subjects as pure cannon fodder. Keep in mind the Muslim in some places were giving 30% of their people towards the army. Muslims got it far harder under Ottomans then Christians.

[@ozan7427]

@@dam8498 ottomans took your 1 son, in europe u belonged to ur monarch literally if they call the banners as serfs u needed to come. Not the mention in ottoman janissary system u can be 2. strongest man in the entire state but in levy system in europe u cant even rank up if u r not knighted etc.

[@bryanalexander2508]

@@billyjesus5442 In their final years they were pretty horrific, you are probably aware of the Batak massacre.

[@noobaction7720]

it wasnt matter of "they couldn't it was a matter of respecting cultures and not forcing stuff on people. Ottoman sultan learned multiple languages to be able to talk with all the people of the empire. the reason why people in russia speak russian or people in north africa speak french is because of genocide and cultural cleansing.

[@alcubz2622]

I see, this explains why north Africans speak arabic

[@JerronHonda]

ottomans respecting cultures? lmao ottoman empire is very well known about respect others, they did that with their Hordes while beaheading and raping Greeks Armenians and other anatolian tribes

[@Horusian]

​@@alcubz2622they were speaking arabic before taken by ottoman. Umayyads erased their language

[@alienngl]

@@HorusianBerber is still around

[@spritegames4227]

Accurate!

[@nenenindonu]

It's not like the elite and common population spoke different languages while ordinary Turks spoke only Old Anatolian Turkish the noble class was fluent in both Anatolian Turkish (daily life) and Ottoman Turkish (court)

[@majidbineshgar7156]

It is the official narrative thought in Turkey's schools .

[@sammyshahshah1008]

As well s Persian.

[@SamBalino]

They have virtually erased Greek from Anatolia

[@abdulkadiryildirim970]

​@@SamBalino osmanlı devleti 600 yıllık bir devlettir ve bu süreçte 36 padişah tahta çıkmıştır. Ve çoğunluğu kendi halkının kültürüne saygı duymuştur. Senin dediğin olay 1920'lı yıllarda olmuştur. Türkiye kurtuluş savaşının bitmesinden sonra nüfus mübadelesi yapılmış ve Yunanistan'daki Türkler Türkiye'ye, Anadoludaki Rumlar ise Yunanistan'a, gönderilmiştir.

[@demirdemir2227]

​@@sammyshahshah1008 nobody spoke persian in the ottoman empire or goverment

[@ggoddkkiller1342]

It is such a joke that even 'historians' couldn't learn yet Ottoman didn't control vast majority of their lands directly. First of all under Millet system religious minorities were ruling themselves, operating their own schools, churches, government, courts and even issuing their own laws! They were only paying taxes to Ottoman and in many cases they were even collecting their own taxes and delivering it to Ottoman. Muslim territories didn't have such great autonomy but they were still quite decentralized, they were seperated into Eyalets and each Eyalet was ruled independently by Ottoman appointed Pashas. In many cases Ottoman didn't send any forces there rather Pashas were tasked to raise their own armies from local population and they had to cooperate with local rulers to do that. Ottoman never tried to change political structure in conquered territories rather adopted local rulers into their Eyalet system. For example Mamluks remained as a local power in Egypt for hundreds of years after their defeat against Ottoman. As long as they remained loyal and paid their taxes Ottoman couldn't care less who had power in local regions. This decentralized system was working extremely well while Ottoman had a massive army in Constantinople and nobody could dare to provoke them. But as the empire weakened both economically and militarily this decenralized system further weakened the empire. Everybody began doing whatever they wanted literally, Ottoman tried to suppress them and centralize their system with reforms in 19th century but it was already too late. Because enemies especially Europeans were already much powerful and they further weakened Ottoman by encouraging minorities to rebel against it. In 1914 there were 25 million Arabs, 4 million Christians and only 10 million Turks living in Ottoman so when minorities rebelled against the empire like Arabs and Armenians did it was game over. It is just a modern political lie that minorities were suffering under Ottoman rule and Turks are nationalistetc. Some minorities even had their the most prosperous era under Ottoman rule, for example no western 'historian' would mention Greeks were controlling the trade between Europe and Ottoman. And they were the richest community in entire Ottoman by very far. Ottoman never even tried to control the trade rather allowed Greeks to continue after all they were receiving more taxes with this greater trade..

[@konstantinoszoupalis8449]

All that I agree with. But still a nation like Greece would never have stayed as a part of the empire as they were treated as second class citizens due to their religion. In the court a Muslims opinion mattered more and so on. I don’t see you or others mention the janisaries. families lost their kid to be brought up as a Muslim to guard the sultan. Everyone bends history to his own side. The truth is somewhere in the middle. So all I’m saying they were good and bad things that the Ottoman Empire did and ultimately one way or another the empire would have fallen like any other.

[@kuershatkurt6003]

@@konstantinoszoupalis8449 you are looking at devshirme system from today's romantic views and not based at the conditions of the era you criticize. they were taken from small villages, not from cities and at the time it was seen as a boon for the family as they were later on reaping the benefits when their kid rose in the capital. they were not of age that they wouldn't remember their families.

[@AlperShal]

Bro devshirme system is nothing in scale. Janissaries are really small portion of the army and devshirmes are a way of integrating cultures. For example let's say there are 21 Greek boys in some village that's freshly conquered. They collect just a few of them (at max 7 as it's 1/3), educate them in the palace standarts, have them work in good positions. Why is this done? 1- Empire needs qualified people to rule the lands. Devshirme system both resolves this issue and gives a good life to the devshir-ed child. 2- Empire needs locals to connect to the empire. Devshir-ed childs are not assimilated. They still know where they came from and what their race is and stuff. They are working at positions in their homelands when they start working. So locals are still being managed by locals. Just educated with the empire standards. (This caused a lot of problems to the empire when locals decided to rebel. Since devshirmes supported their own race. Empire could have just used those kids as slaves and assimilated the entire population. This is nothing compared to what Europeans did. Yes still a bad thing but you know we are talking about the years 1300~-1800~.) When we look at the humanity, still we are doing horrible stuff. But when compared, there is no way I can say Turks are worse or even close to Europeans at being bad and unethical. Only thing I can think of that could be a counter argument is the Armenian problem. And my counter arguments would be 1- Europeans and Americans still did muuuuch worse than Turks in the meaning of genocide if we are to think Armenian problem is a genocide. 2- Armenian problem is not being a genocide. It's a counter-attack/defense against a rebelling population. You may ask why did the same thing not happen to Greeks and other rebelled races. It did. They won so people that died in those rebels are now "national heroes" to those countries. Armenians lost in their rebels in most of the lands they were living in so they prompt it as a genocide. Almost (I will explain why 'almost' later) no soldier killed a civil Armenian when the movements were happening. We still can't find any orders of Ottoman authorities ordering any killing of Armenians. We still can't find any mass graves of Armenians. Those Armenians who died died because 1- They were not civilians. They were rebelling against Ottoman Empire. (And it's obvious you are not a civilian no more when you equip your guns and start killing locals and soldiers eh?) 2- The movements was being done in poor conditions. The empire was at a really bad condition in terms of both economics and logistics. Most of the Armenians died in the movements are dead due to lack of food, water and health services. It's not that the Empire didn't give Armenians those, it wasn't possible to provide that much of people resources in a movement. Now the counter argument to this is the word genocide is being invented because of the Armenian events. Yes, this is true, but the perspective is wrong. The guy that invented the word based this on what the Armenians was projecting the events of being. (Like soldiers just going to villages and killing people) But it wasn't the truth. So the perspective that defined the word wasn't based on reality of the events. Yet is invalid for the Armenian events. (Look up the definition, it either includes the words systematic or intentionality. Armenian events never had any intention or systematic way to kill Armenians. It was never the goal. It was to move Armenians from our lands to out of the borders so they can not rebel.) Now let me describe why I used the word almost when saying almost no soldier killed civilian Armenians. When WW1 started, Armenians were doing lots of terror attacks against Turks. We call those eşkiya (translation could be gangster). The soldiers at the war zones were running and turning back to their villages to get the revenge of their families. Since they were runners it is not really correct to say there were soldiers. But still they were using state owned guns even though they were stolen from the state.

[@ggoddkkiller1342]

​@@konstantinoszoupalis8449 I would completely agree every side bends history to their side, we Turks do it too even if it isn't as bad as many western sources. For example your Janissaries examples sounds like Ottoman was randomly collecting children which is entirely false. 'Blood tax' was only happening if a family failed to pay their taxes and it was actually rare in Greece. Simply because Greece was a richer region and people had very little problem paying their taxes. On the other hand in poorer regions like Serbia it was quite common. It still had rules however, like not eldest child, not under 12 or over 18 etc. In today standards ofc it is an unacceptable practice but during those days it was common. For example could you please explain what was happening to people who failed to pay their taxes in France, Spain or Germany? Those governments were saying 'np bro you would pay it next time'?? Ofc not and in many cases those entire families were enslaved. Vast majority of European population was living as Villeins anyway and they had little more rights than slaves, for example they couldn't even leave their farms without permission from their lords! Compared to those conditions Ottoman's policies were very tolerant. And they weren't even becoming slaves rather receiving 4 years education in Devshirme schools and depending on their success they were receiving further education and becoming Ottoman officials or receiving military training in Janissary corps to become soldiers. So they weren't even trained to become soldiers from right away. However this doesn't mean Greece should had stayed a part of Ottoman forever, they wanted their own country and became independent and i can't blame them for it. But it is an undeniable fact their new nationalist governments literally re-wrote history to declare themselves as heroes. You can see it in Greece, Serbia, Armenia etc while not in Georgia or Bosnia simply because those countries never had nationalist governments and similar re-writing of history. You can still blame us for all of your problems if you wish but could you share please how long it took for European powers to invade Balkans?? They didn't only occupy entire Balkans also caused civil wars etc. Since independence Balkans has been always in chaos and conflicts but it is our fault somehow. Even if Ottoman never existed and Turks never crossed into Europe there weren't going to be a great Balkan countries rather Balkans was going to be controlled by Italians, Germans or Russians and most likely was in far worse shape today..

[@BOZ_11]

@@konstantinoszoupalis8449 rubbish, to this day, the holy patriarch and Anatolian Greeks live in Turkey just fine. More than 2m Turks were killed in ethnic cleansing pogroms in the Balkans from 1912 to 1922, so the idea that the Turks shouldn't engage in a population exchange, and/or act likewise, is completely absurd. Nationalism is a European mind virus infecting the world. Empires were the most sustainable polities, especially liberal ones like the Ottoman

[@youryoutubeyoda]

"yea bro the Ottomans were colonizers" Meanwhile the Ottomans:

[@sabrinarodrigues629]

They were colonizers.

[@mefe1262]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@sabrinarodrigues629If the Turks had been colonizers, probably the Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians and many other peoples who stayed under Ottoman rule for a long time would be using Turkish or Ottoman Turkish as their second official language and at the same time their religious structures would be very different. From the very beginning of the Ottoman Empire, including when it expanded in the Balkans, it never forced anything on the peoples. Except for the last times of the Ottoman Empire. In fact, in the last times of the Ottoman Empire, the people in charge were aware that if the Ottoman Empire had established these pressures at the time, the Ottoman Empire would not be in a state of collapse. That is why the Ottoman Empire became more ruthless in its last times in order not to make the mistakes it did not make in the past. So if you call the Ottomans colonizers, you insult the people who lived happily for a long time without any significant damage to that region. Examples of colonizers are the British Empire or the French Empire. Because there were always genocides and bad events in the areas they controlled, and the peoples under the these colonizers also suffered a lot.

[@sabrinarodrigues629]

@mustafaefe684 lol... the fact that you get offended with ottomans being called colonizers (that's what they are) is ridiculous. And, since you mentioned genocide, how is Turkey dealing with recognizing the Armenian, pontic, syriac and mount lebanon genocides?

[@sabrinarodrigues629]

@mustafaefe684 by the same logic, the germand didn't colonizers Tanganyka because they favored swahilli, and the Dutch in Indonesia weren't colonizers either as they promoted Malay.

[@Nixo77]

@@sabrinarodrigues629 Those genocides are justified by monsters such as the pan-turkic people who glorify Mustafa kemal and worship him as a supreme leader. If you go to turkiye it would seem as if his image as a supreme leader is enforced upon the young. Erdogan and his party arent so different. Anyways I only knew about the armenian genocide who's supervisor was the monster enver pasha who is described as a "martyr" which is fucking insane as a Muslim myself. These european wannabes have literally distorted the image of the religion for almost everyone (I blame the afghans too)

[@efekeyik4543]

Simple, they never tried to. Dude they didn't even try to convert their Christian minority to Islam. Let alone assimilating them to Turkish

[@pwp8737]

Devshirme?

[@ManCheat2]

they did try bro...

[@sarantissporidis391]

Μinority??? 😜😜😜😜😜

[@Napolitano-Lazo]

​@@pwp8737 Devsirme is a system bro we collected 1 boy from every 1/50 family in a region those Boys became Officer's generals Architects law makers soilders and prime ministers one of them literally married sultans sister so they became muslim to gain our trust

[@efekeyik4543]

@@pwp8737 devshirme was only applied to boys who were drafted. Not to the general public. I see many people dont know that Janissaries were always a small part of the Ottoman Army. At their biggest extend jannissaries made 1/8 of the total Ottoman Army. So even the boys that had been through devshirme was one spoon of sugar in a whole jar.

[@czechistan_zindabad]

It's not that they couldn't, it's that they didn't. Their goal was tax, not to forcibly spread their language and culture.

[@Levo_D_Angelo]

0:20 Germans: Döner Kebab was invented in the 70s in Germany by Turkish immigrants Turks: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@emerald903]

Yoghurt is a Turkish word 😚 (yoğurt) The Turks found yoghurt in the history

[@demirdemir2227]

the reason why turks enden up in germany as immigrants its because the germans destroyed them selfs and most of europe during ww2 and needed workers so the begged the turks for help They reason why germany recovered as a economic giant after world war 2 was because of thousands of turkish workers who helped build up germany When people like you try to piss on others they usally piss on them selfs so clown 🤡 read history And dont forget that turks was in contact whit germans during the siege of vienna in 1529 and not from 1970 s and onwards Drink your milk boy you have alot to learn

[@saeeddookat2330]

kebab is a Persian word not Turkish or German

[@sktt1488]

​@@saeeddookat2330Kebab means just grilled meat.. döner is turkish . nothing to do with poorsians .

[@demirdemir2227]

​@@saeeddookat2330it has nothing to do with persian

[@flawyerlawyertv7454]

If the Portuguese had done the same to my country, I'd not be speaking Portuguese now.

[@maxmadness0]

The point is that it wouldn't have been your choice

[@faradiaulia5560]

The answer is: They have never tried to do it

[@AliSonerBozkurt]

If you went to an Ottoman emperor and said, "Hey Emperor, I'm Turkish too," he would probably say, "So?"

[@Hessa6thKhaled]

It wasn't always the case . especially in the few final decades, the racial discrimination existed sadly , that led to many different revolts

[@mustafasabrii]

​@@tlqa Hadi oradan👞🦴

[@User2024-dx6eh]

The Ottoman Empire was tolerant, multiethnic, multi religious, multicultural, harmonious, lasted for centuries & its tolerance reverberates till today! They were not oppressive colonisers! You forgot to mention Bosnia & Herzegovina 🇧🇦 Finally other empires in Europe functioned on the same tolerant principles.

[@jimanast3593]

​Occupation is occupation, slavery is slavery! By writting such rubbish U R insulting so many people who lived happily under so much and such oppression and who finally happily died by losing their head, being impaled, scorched to death by hot oil, draged and quartered by horses or ships, hanged from their torso by giant hooks etc... The image at 0:46 is a mild showing of ottoman (turkish) tolerance! These people lived happily by paying heavy tax they couldn't afford, they also had to pay jizia in order to keep their head in place, nobility had to give their children to be "educated" (this is how "parents' control" was presented), and possibly being islamised and turkified; ie loosing their identity! Common people had to pay blood tax by having their kids kidnapped and never seen again (by becoming jenissaries the boys and sex slaves in harems the girls) and many other bad things... Then you were free to do what you want living happily... EXCEPT, wearing red and green, using bells in church, etc, etc, etc... and you were free to do whatever you want living happily... EXCEPT, speaking UR language deep in Anatolia, otherwise UR tongue would be cut off; EXCEPT revolting for living this way in this ottoman paradise! They had to suffer respect and tolerance in order to pay taxes! They didn't care for educating their slaves; they just wanted them to pay the taxes; that's why they were keeping them alive (like the farmer does w/ his livestock)! They also didn't care much for converting them since muslims weren't paying many taxes! But sometimes convertion was mandatory. During the Ottoman expansion, there were 2 choises: to fight and be free if winning and die in case of loosing OR to surrender to keep UR life, family and privileges (in case of nobles and people with some influence to the local community). Since 1600, this changed: U had to be converted in order to keep UR privileges! Other case of obligatory conversions: under the sword... There was an option of course... The dilemma was: "dead or Muslim"! During the 1770 greek revolution, the Sultan ordered "KILL THEM ALL" and he revoked his order immediately, because the Admiral of the Aegean asked: "...and who is going to pay the taxes?" U get the point?

[@clintstar-world8655]

Because turks are not like french and british

[@Imperialist_imperialism]

They are faaaaaar worse

[@Proud_Hadrami]

​@@Imperialist_imperialismfr

[@cenk.3467]

true

[@Kyrzak]

as a turk that is not correct. we are very patient and respectfull people towards other but if to many people of whatever region or people starting to overwrite our stuff, cuture and whatever more turks will use as its defence hardcore attack mechanics... turks and i am one and if you read our history you should know we are probably the most coldblooded people in war mode as long as we are not in war we are the chillest people to be around...

[@danielsilfee]

than were worse!!

[@mehmedfatihgezen357]

Let me explain with one sentence only: "Ottomans were not social/cultural Imperialists, like western ones".

[@Gift-ll4nv]

Yes it conquered other people lands by force and incorporated them into their empire. It is not like the local inhabitants voted to be apart of the Ottoman Empire. So it was an imperialist empire. Imperialism does not exclusively mean western imperialism.

[@bertrecht913]

Turkish Imperialism is even much more worse

[@olbiomoiros]

their culture was not very literary as opposed to the west. they could only impose their religion.

[@armandurmus617]

@@Gift-ll4nv ofc they were imperialists but not cultural imperialists. This is mainly the reason why there's been so many ethnic tensions in Anatolia for the last century. Meanwhile a country like France had little to no ethnic tensions thanks to their successful cultural genocide.

[@aliceinwonderland4395]

Just because the Ottomans didn't force Turkish onto the local populations doesn't make them angels in holy raiment. They still butchered their way through civilians and imposed their dogmatic, tribalistic rule. Their sultans were majority of warlord stock built for murder and laying siege to entire cities. You wanna cry about western empires take a look in the mirror first, Mehmet.

[@abasmkl3880]

Dude if Britain, France Spain managed to whip out religion ethnicity and language in only 1 or 2 century, don't you think 600 yo weren't enough for the ottomans to do it ?💀 They simply didn't want to force their language and religion into others

[@jimanast3593]

​Occupation is occupation, slavery is slavery! By writting such rubbish U R insulting so many people who lived happily under so much and such oppression and who finally happily died by losing their head, being impaled, scorched to death by hot oil, draged and quartered by horses or ships, hanged from their torso by giant hooks etc... The image at 0:46 is a mild showing of ottoman (turkish) tolerance! These people lived happily by paying heavy tax they couldn't afford, they also had to pay jizia in order to keep their head in place, nobility had to give their children to be "educated" (this is how "parents' control" was presented), and possibly being islamised and turkified; ie loosing their identity! Common people had to pay blood tax by having their kids kidnapped and never seen again (by becoming jenissaries the boys and sex slaves in harems the girls) and many other bad things... Then you were free to do what you want living happily... EXCEPT, wearing red and green, using bells in church, etc, etc, etc... and you were free to do whatever you want living happily... EXCEPT, speaking UR language deep in Anatolia, otherwise UR tongue would be cut off; EXCEPT revolting for living this way in this ottoman paradise! They had to suffer respect and tolerance in order to pay taxes! They didn't care for educating their slaves; they just wanted them to pay the taxes; that's why they were keeping them alive (like the farmer does w/ his livestock)! They also didn't care much for converting them since muslims weren't paying taxes! But sometimes convertion was mandatory. During the Ottoman expansion, there were 2 choises: to fight and be free if winning and die in case of loosing OR to surrender to keep UR life, family and privileges (in case of nobles and people with some influence to the local community). Since 1600, this changed: U had to be converted in order to keep UR privileges! Other case of obligatory conversions: under the sword... There was an option of course... The dilemma was: "dead or Muslim"! During the 1770 greek revolution, the Sultan ordered "KILL THEM ALL" and he revoked his order immediately, because the Admiral of the Aegean asked: "...and who is going to pay the taxes?" U get the point?

[@ahmethasanzengin4392]

Turks's other empires also respect him peoples.

[@abasmkl3880]

@ahmethasanzengin4392 Teachings Of Islam

[@Flan_Nan4444]

Did bro really say that spain whipped out the ethnicities and languages? C'mon, go read some books of Spain's history.

[@abasmkl3880]

@Flan_Nan4444 Bruh why does all America speak spanish and portugese ?

[@anate9]

Because we are a merciful nation

[@ChrisCamp-nk9nz]

The Armenians, Greeks and Kurds like this post.

[@anate9]

@ all these nations you mentioned preserved their national identity and culture.

[@ChrisCamp-nk9nz]

@@anate9 yes, so did the Native Americans, the Jews of Germany and the Circassians in Russia. The point is, the nations I mentioned were ethnically cleansed from the Anatolian peninsula.

[@Asdib6]

​@@anate9 true

[@Sup4ast4r]

You ethnically cleansed the Assyrians in the 1920s...

[@Zaman805]

Fun fact, Eastern Anatolian Turkish dialects are closer to Ottoman Turkish than the modern Turkish spoken in Istanbul or Ankara.

[@BayındırHan-u6b]

Also closer to the Azerbaijani than İstanbul Turkish as well. Due to historical presence of azerbaijani Turks in eastern anatolia. Like Qara qoyunlu Aq qoyunlu states and Terekeme(karapapak) origin of dadaş Turks in Erzurum and Azerbaijani Turks living in Iğdır,Kars Ağrı and Van.

[@bajramtahiri1576]

I am Albanian Muslim and we have many Turkish loan words that we still use even today

[@jojoma5988]

It is very normal that you are influenced by the Turks, we lived together for at least 300 years, but no one forced you to use these words. To give a better example, we also have Greek, Arab, Persian words, but we have never been ruled by Arabs, Persians or Greeks

[@bajramtahiri1576]

@ off course

[@__Man__]

​@@bajramtahiri1576those Turkish loan words were probably from Arabic or Persian. So, it is a loaned loan words.

[@bajramtahiri1576]

@ some of them yes but not all of them

[@The_18th_Fret]

Persians had a huge influence on the Turkish language

[@just_ace9952]

Couldn't ❌ didn't✅. don't mistake us as other countries like Europeans.

[@Zephyr-b4v]

Yes, you were too illeterate, uneducated uncultured to make anyone interested in learning the language. It's not a coincidence that while Europe had industrial revolution, Enlightment, Rennaisance, Turks contributed next to nothing in terms of culture and sciences. Ok, you brought the Yemeni coffee to Europe. That's all.

[@baalyoz]

​@@Zephyr-b4v your eurocentric education prevents you to see what the other ones did. Rennaicense works are full of direct translations from Andalusian and Ottoman scientific works. No wonder how Ottomans could turn Hagiasophia into a mosque. Thanks to accepting all people interested in science. Anywhere like that? Italy, birthplace of rennaicense. A place Muslim merchants and scientists could wander around unlike rest of Europe.

[@AlhunAydin]

Plot twist: so, it was indeed mostly due to Ottoman's policy of tolerance.

[@benimtelefoncaliyor1dk]

Some ethno-religious groups, when outnumbered by Turks, did accept the Turkish vernacular through a gradual process of acculturation. While the Greeks of the Pelo ponnese, Thessaly, Epirus, Macedonia, Thrace, and the west Anatolian lit toral continued to speak and write in Greek, the Greeks of Cappadocia (Karaman) spoke Turkish and wrote Turkish in Greek script. Similarly, a large majority of the Armenians in the empire adopted Turkish as their vernacular and wrote Turkish in Armenian characters, all efforts to the contrary by the Mkhitarist order notwithstanding. The first novels published in the Ottoman Empire in the mid-nineteenth century were by Armenians and Cappodocian Greeks; they wrote them in Turkish, using the Armenian and Greek alphabets.

[@jameshitselberger5845]

Great comment and evidence of your knowledge of ethnography. My respect to you

[@jameshitselberger5845]

Check out one video by Tom_traveler...it films some ethnic Turks in Turkey whose native language is a Greek dialect. Tom..is of Greek descent and lives in Chicago...his interests include documenting a few far flung ancient Greek communities. unfortunately he missed his chance to document thosein Mariupol,

[@jimanast3593]

Kapadokians are not the Karaman Turks!

[@jimanast3593]

​@hakanozaslan9571She didn't know she was counted with the Greeks and was surprised about that, because she KNOWS that she is Christian Turk! The exchange was on a base of religion, not nationality!

[@yunusselcik9337]

Kapodokya rumları Doğu Roma zamanında bölgeye yerleştirilmiş Türkopoller ve kabileleri ile karışmış yerli halktır.Türkler öncesinde Anadolu pek çok farklı millet yaşıyordu.Frigler,Karyalılar,Lidyalılar hatta Galatlar dediğimiz Kelt kabileleri vs vs..Bunlar İskender ve ardılları ile son olarak Doğu Roma döneminde dil ve kültür olarak asimile edildiler.Anadoluda Doğu Roma kendisine uyarladığı Ortadoks Hristiyanlığa uymayan Anadolu haklarına pek çok katliam gerçekleştirdi.Ermeniler, Kathar yada Albigen denilen insanlar vs...Şu anda Anadolu 1000 yıldır Türklerin vatani.Selçuklu ve Osmanlı İmparatorlukları döneminde kimse dinini ve dilini değiştirmeye zorlanmadı.Pax Ottomana...

[@ik5759]

The short answer is they did not colonize the regions. Colonizing is what Europeans do, not turks. Each race lived with their own distinct culture and the Ottomans didn't meddle with it. You could argue about the cruelty of the jenessary system or the heavy taxing for non-Muslims. But we are the 'bad' people in the history.

[@Spacemongerr]

Everyone are the "bad" people in history

[@abdullah.a.nahyan]

Sugarcoating… you could use the example of conquering through both subjugation and unification!

[@berkanatas5515]

tolerance, thats why they live 600 years

[@antiochianius]

As a Turk, I can comment: In general, the Ottoman people are divided into two, Muslim and non-Muslim. These two groups maintain their own traditions and unique forms of judgment, and in administrative units, clergymen such as imams and priests have the right to judge. As can be understood from this example, everyone continues their lives on their own belief system and culture, and the priority in the state's functioning mechanism is taken into account by the general social structure. If we had not done this, the Ottomans would not have been able to resist much in geographies such as the Balkans, which have a large Christian population. This is an indication of why the Turks basically established so many empires but did not cause such impressive social (cultural) destruction. There was a good example in the video: in the early years of the printing press, Armenians and Serbs could write in their own alphabets. In fact, it was even argued that the Turks used the Armenian alphabet instead of the Arabic alphabet because it was more suitable for phonetics. In other words, it allowed many languages ​​as well as many alphabet structures... And it allowed the beginning of its collapse. Unfortunately, there are many nations that try to portray the Ottoman Empire as a bad state through propaganda, but history has always chosen the most suitable potential for itself... There is no Ottoman, but as a Turkish youth who is completely loyal to Anatolia with its heritage and values, I offer my gratitude and respect to my ancestors. Greetings!

[@RIHLAND]

In Ottoman society, Turkish was the common language, Arabic was used for academia, and Persian for literature, but the rise of nationalism, influenced by Western ideas, disrupted this linguistic and cultural harmony within Muslim society.

[@Fokas-n8t]

WTF are you talking about? What influence by "western ideas"? Greeks never stopped fighting the Turks and only between 1453 and 1821 we count more than 35 war events, that is 1 revolution, rebellion, revolt every single decade of the 3 and a half centuries. Come on, point out which "western influence" influenced the Greeks for their huge, bigger and better prepared than the 1821 one, revolution of 1768. The fanatically pro-Ottoman British back then? Or was it the Russians who only belatedly allied with Greeks sending Orlov to coordinate actions (but the revolution had already been going on, already starting even before 1768 but Russians mingling in belatedy in 1770). What "western ideas" inspired the Greeks? The discovery of America, the circumnavigation of Africa or the Protestant Reformation? Why you Turks are unable to read history as it actually is?

[@gulgoksun284]

Ottomans were not interested in turks, turkish language. They used to turks as agricultural laborer in peace and soldier in war. They handed over the upper echelons of government to converted Croats, Serbs, Jews and Greeks, and kept the Turks away from the administrative levels. Even the sultan himself was not Turkish his mother is greek, serbian, bulgarian, jewish, crotian or venedician father was %25 turk blood. They all were devsirme foreigners. So they were not interested in spreading turkish language.

[@Bad_boy_25_07]

Turks are not cruel like Britain, Russian and France.

[@moelester6120]

the Armenian genocides say otherwise

[@DIOBrando-wl4xq]

they are just as cruel as them

[@Hasanbas-rv3vm]

@@DIOBrando-wl4xqnope

[@metox8637]

@@DIOBrando-wl4xq Learn history bro

[@covek4048]

They just kidnapped children and made them soldiers. Only that.

[@Salchooq]

It is not could not. We simply won’t. We were not colonizing we were governing .

[@yagizkart1]

Balkan languages heavily adopted from the European form of Turkish: "Rumelian" Turkish (Mind you, NOT the presitge "Ottoman" Turkish of the palace). Serbian, Bosnian and Macedonian have over a thousand Turkish loanwords as of today, probably numbering around several thousands in total. Before their standardization processes, Slavic languages of the Balkan area (with Greek and Albanian) had even more Turkish loans used in everyday life. Vernacular Cypriot and Cretan Greek show a strong Turkish influence in their vocabulary and phonology. Creole-like languages were spoken in Anatolia (e.g. Cappadocian Greek) and the borrowing of Turkish words into Armenian and other Middle Eastern languages even predates Ottoman times. So it's safe to say that Turkish definitely left a mark in the former Ottoman territories, even if that mark isn't a total language shift, it's one of noticeable effect.

[@petarjovanovic1481]

Yeah, not exactly. It is not thousands of words. In Serbian we use a maximum of 300-400 Turkish words. Mostly nouns for referring to the common everyday things.

[@Kjjj07]

In egyptian arab dialect too

[@yagizkart1]

@@petarjovanovic1481 I was referring to the complete word inventory, the number you might come across in a language corpus. Of course the number of words actively used decreased significantly after the language was standardized.

[@leonpoul5634]

word loans, even numerous ones, are not considered as some sort of "real influence" in linguistics. Ancient Greek, for instance, had at least 10% lydian or persian origin words, but there was no influence of those eastern languages on greek morphosyntaxis (grammar and structure) - just as the many greek-root turkish words do not affect turkish grammar or structure of language. Such exchange are and have always been omnipresent, even when the affinity of language groups is restricted to vicinity rather than coexistence. I must stress, though, that some of the most sentimentally expressive words of vernacular greek did come from the turkish (like "kefi", "sevdas", "dunias", "dalkas", "rezili"), just as that suffixes like "lis/lu" and "cis/cu" are really very common. Still, all those elements exist in modern greek not "despite greek language purification in the 19th century" (for example, they did not exist in the popular poetic language of the 15th - 19th century), but as recent elements, inoculated to greek after the exchange population of Anatolian greek orthodox populations. I suppose word loans enrich and embellish every language, so I particularly enjoy using those expressive turkish origin, newly greek words !

[@yagizkart1]

@@leonpoul5634 Yeah man agreed, I didn't say there was Turkish influence on a linguistic level on the Modern Greek vernacular, apart from Cappadocian Greek, in which there occurred a slight Turkicization of Greek verb conjugations and syntax. (This language as you know developed independently from Modern Greek, even in early stages was pretty much isolated from coastal Byzantine Greek.) The influence on MG was not a linguistic one but a lexical "mark", as with the suffixes and emphatic words you mentioned. Nearly a quarter of Greek population (I don't know, maybe a higher percentage?) traces some ancestry from Micro-Asia, so no wonder many words and ways of expression is still present in daily communication. In the case of Turkish, Greek loans are on another level, even the word for "basic, central, foundational" (temel) has Romaic roots, so you figure how foundational the effect is! Apart from that, yeah, languages are living entities and should not be forcibly altered, even though that's exactly what happened with Turkish, but instead of a return to an ancient heritage as with Modern Greek, we saw Ottoman Turkish developing into the "Yeni Türkçe" (New Turkish, republican Turkish, etc.) in a matter of few decades, although this time the said alteration resulted in relatively positive outcomes for the wider population. (radically increased literacy (10% to 97%), more accessible education and increased social mobility among classes) Maybe somewhat resembing the change from Kathevorusa to Demotic in MG.

[@genveon0]

For hundreds of years, Turks lived in friendship with the Armenians, even the Armenians were called a loyal nation. Nothing was done for so many centuries, but why did something happen later? They definitely need to be self-critical.

[@olbiomoiros]

lmao the turks were never friendly to the Armenians.

[@memoavc8663]

@@olbiomoiros source:american dick sucking fest of Armenian people

[@emineeren1122]

@@olbiomoirosYou are a big liar! 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@Napolitano-Lazo]

​@@olbiomoiros once up on a time a turkish seller had a probelm with armenian church in Maraş ottoman times he attacked the church to steal things for money so the citys muslim judge gave him to armenians and said do what ever u want armenians took his clothes and forced him to walk naked to shame him would u fellas do this for a jew in Europe

[@Kjjj07]

@@genveon0 because of nationalism

[@mohamadmheiche]

After Sultan Abdel Hamid II, everything changed

[@masterfootballeague3892]

Because of their respect to all other cultures,ethnicities,religions.They were far better than recent states.

[@CanUfeelme-g9g]

@@masterfootballeague3892 facts

[@Thefriedchickenmaster]

Are you sure?

[@abdimalikelmi729]

all you gotta do is ignore them banning arabs from rising in the empire and the mass slaughters they did on chrsitians

[@oooshafiqooo]

@@Thefriedchickenmaster untill the young turks came, yes

[@masterfootballeague3892]

@@Thefriedchickenmaster Look at the territories that they lead.All nations preserved,exist up to now.Evidences are clear

[@dimirossman870]

I am Bulgarian, many Turkish ottoman words have entered Bulgarian language, i am also Arab Lebanese some Turkish loan words exist in Lebanese Arabic

[@ibekdin]

Bulgars were turks before assimilation so loan words are entire Slavic words

[@ivanbalabanski2942]

@@ibekdin Bulgarians are not Turks. Being a turk refers to a member of the Turkic ethnic group, primarily associated with the people of Turkey and Central Asia. Today's Bulgaria is a mix. If we talk about the Bulgars 1500 years ago. Now that's a debate if they are from central asia, as there isn't a lot of informationa bout them

[@aliceinwonderland4395]

​@@ibekdin That's a terrible lie and you know it. Never once in Bulgarian history were we "Turks". Go back to school.

[@baalyoz]

​@islombekochi Bulgaryanlar Türk değiller. Bulgarlar Türklerdi ve bugünkü Bulgaristan dediğimiz yeri yönettiler. Ülkelerinin adı Bulgar imparatorluğuydu ve hanedan Hristiyan olup slavonik kilise etkisi altına girince zamanla yerel halk olan slavlara karıştılar. Oradaki slavlara Bulgar denmeye başlandı. Bulgaristanda Türk olan sadece Bulgar adı kaldı, bir de Boris adı.

[@HeroManNick132]

@@ibekdin You got the history wrong. If Bulgar elite really did that, Bulgarians would be today speaking Turkic, not Slavic (and don't add the Turks, because they came from the Ottoman era, not from the Bulgars). And no, it's not like English when it heavily adopted French words, that doesn't change the root the English language is still Germanic. The name Bulgarian came from the Bulgar elite, the same as how French people took the name of the Frank elite.

[@erkencikus2332]

Hello, as a Turk i will leave a fun-fact: Ottoman Turkish was spoken between elites, aristocrats and a few people living in big cities of the empire like İstanbul, while common Turkish people, especially if they were in the Anatolian regions, spoke casual Turkish; what we modern Turks can understand easier. For an example, i can understand %85 of this common, to be more understandable, "Oghuz Turkic" Turkish with my modern Turkish, but Ottoman Turkish is around %65 for me. "Anatolian" Turkish had more connections with the original words from Central Asia. Ottoman Turkish adopted many different Arab words and made itself too complicated for ordinary Turks who were used to Central Asian dialects. After the language reform ( it happened during first years of republic, under Atatürk's rule.) our language gained more original Turkic words and evolved to our modern Turkish. That's why we can understand other Turkic dialects or pre Ottoman Empire Anatolian Turk dialects more easily.

[@Sovyetadam]

We Turks did not assimilate any country, we wanted people to live well during the Ottoman period. But doing this was the biggest mistake and they rebelled

[@Deioces-r6o]

T*rks assimilate Armenians and greeks .now they try to assimilate kurds

[@Imperialist_imperialism]

Say that to the Arabs,the balkans and Armenians

[@Proud_Hadrami]

​@@Imperialist_imperialismAs an Arab, I am not even mad about our ancestors decision

[@Gift-ll4nv]

Turks migrated to Anatolia in large numbers assimilated natives in Anatolians and Central Asia.

[@Gamesbozz]

Not true 😂

[@Kartal-tp8qq]

Its crazy that I can understand the poem from 13th century but not the one from 19th century

[@turplexx233]

8:20 For checking as a Turkish First poem can understand in modern Turkish %100. Second poem's 5 words can understand in Modern Turkish.

[@Phil-m5d]

IRAN

[@ultrahigher6739]

creator of this video, you should check out why there is something called turco-calvinism and why the calvinist dutch and orthodox greek would rather see turkish turban than a latin mitre. simply put, there was no intent to spread turkish language. the ottoman empire was not a colonialist empire, but a traditional agrarian one. even if turkish was standardized, the schools which teach it would not teach it to orthodox or jewish people, but to turks only. you are stretching a need which does not exist...

[@alpertunga6792]

There is no such language as "Ottoman Turkish". Turkish people speak Turkish. The elite class spoke Turkish because they were Turks, BUT they also knew Persian and Arabic. They spoke these languages ​​among themselves in a mixed way. For example: Subject (Turkish) + verb (Arabic) + predicate (Persian). In fact, they did this on purpose. To appear different from the public. Meanwhile, they also used words from Balkan languages. Ataturk removed all these foreign words. Only Turkish words remained.

[@HatredForMankind]

No one "spoke" Ottoman Turkish; it was a literary form, rather than a spoken language. The elite also spoke the Commoner Turkish(There are transcripts from the court mainly by ambassadors or envoys, even written in Latin dating back to 17th century, and the court spoke in a manner that is resonably intelligible with modern Turkish), however they wrote with the Ottoman purple prose.

[@errorrider404real]

Finally, not a Turkish propoganda or not a Armenian propogand, just pure facts

[@OghuricEnjoyer]

The Turkish dialects spoken in Cyprus, Balkans and Meskhetia is result of Ottoman policies. The Crimean Tatar language broke away from all other Kipchak languages ​​and became Oghuz-like language, again happened in Ottoman period. The numerous Turkic and Turkified loanwords that entered North African Arabic, Hungarian, South Slavic, Albanian, Greek, Armenian and Caucasian languages ​​are also a result of the Ottoman expansion.

[@muratbayraktar5035]

It is but its not to the degree of India, Africa, Singapore and Ireland.

[@arifecan86]

After a period of 600 Years, that result you have mentioned is quite normal, isn't it?

[@jojoma5988]

It is very normal that these languages are influenced by the Turkish, we lived together for years, but no one forced you to use these words. To give a better example, we also have Greek, Arab, Persian words, but we have never been ruled by Arabs, Persians or Greeks

[@kaanaslan3003]

Forget about spreading, it’s an incredible achievement that people of Anatolia speak the language; this could be only possible with constant and steady migration (with bare minimum numbers) started around 11th century from ancestral lands - Turkestan in Eurasian steppes. Just like Hungarian exists today surrounded by Slavic and Romance languages, journey of Turkish language from Central Asia to Southern Eastern Europe is a big achievement.

[@ibrahimkamara9508]

They were not hell bent on destroying the culture of the native peoples they conquered or subjugated. You didn't even need to revert to Islam if they defeated you. They effectively were the opposite of the British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. Unfortunately this became their undoing because instead of crushing Arab nationalism in the empire they allowed it to fester which led to its downfall.

[@k.umquat8604]

Bütün imparatorluklar eninde sonunda çöker

[@Proud_Hadrami]

As an Arab, alhamdulilah our ancestors fought against Turkish nationalists

[@ibrahimkamara9508]

@Proud_Hadrami Astaghfirullah your ancestors fought against their Khalif, their emir, and the wishes of our prophet (pbuh) all for the false promises of the kafirun.. This is not something to look back fondly on brother

[@wankawanka3053]

They sure started massacring a lot by the 19th century onwards

[@anbu1157]

Arab nationalists have destroyed the legitimacy of the ummah time and time again, and they are continuing to do so until this day, its clear that arabs can not unite or run a nation without excessive betrayal it’s in their blood

[@keifer7813]

People in the comments coping, telling themselves that the Ottomans respected cultures lol. Nah they probably just didn't care about making everyone speak Turkish. That simple.

[@d.l4326]

Ottomans ruled 500 years. During this time there was never a pressure to any ethnicity to adopt Turkish. Some did voluntary. Same with religion. İf they had this agenda in governance it could have been achieved within 500 years. I like the photo you used from a comedy movie in your video. How ever that shot was as humor and did not represent Turkish culture or folklore in realistic manner. I think you should study ottomans not only from British records but also many other. Ottoman archives can be enlightening.

[@MsMinoula]

It was an occupation. There was pressure through higher taxes for other religions, and a lot of people changed to islam because of this. But once they did it, they became "Turks". Why do you think people in Turkiye look balkan or middle eastern, but not asian as other turkish nations do?? This video fails to address how different religious groups were not equal citizens to the muslim/turks.

[@d.l4326]

@MsMinoula Hungarian are Turks. Finland also. Moldova too . Bulgarians Türkic origin. Being aturk is not how you look.

[@MsMinoula]

@@d.l4326 Such a stupid comment, none of the nations you talk about are turks in origin.

[@DigitalArbiter]

@@d.l4326 Sadece Macarlar Türkidir, Finland ne alaka.... Dil yapsının benzemesi Türk oldukları anlamına gelmez. Ayrıca Macarların 1400 yıl öncesinden kuzenlerimiz olması, onlara Türk diyebileceğimiz anlamına gelmez. Onlar kendine TÜrk diyor mu? hayır, ne diyor Macar diyor. Kazaklar, Kırgızlar kendine tabiki Türküz diyor, ancak biz kazak türküyüz diyor, öncelikle kazak diyor. Hepsi bir deyip herkesi Türk ilan etmeye çalışanlar, tarih bilmeyen gerzeklerdir. Ülke cahil dolu amk.

[@yaizudamashii]

There are so many languages even in Turkey and dialects as well. It's a miracle that Ataturk was able to standardize Turkish and create a national language even just within the current Turkish borders.

[@GoofyGoober7582]

Because they were tolerant in regards to culture, language, etc. But that's contrary to what they will tell you...

[@harunk.2635]

The Ottomans didn't impose anything to the conquered cultures, this was the main receipt for success of the Ottoman Empire. With this strategy the Empire survived 600 years.

[@AltaicGigachad]

Greece came into existence as an independent nation-state only in 1832. Before that, for most of the preceding 400 years, it was part of the Ottoman Empire, whose dominant language was Turkish, and over time spoken Greek incorporated many words from Turkish, and also from Italian. Once independence was achieved, many nationalists attempted to eliminate all Turkish, Italian, and other borrowings from Greek so as to create a national language that would genuinely represent the Greek nation and its former glory. This resulted in the creation of the 'purifying' form of the Greek language -'Katharevousa' Greek-one of two varieties of Greek that would compete for status as the country's official language into the 20th century (Mackridge 2010).

[@olbiomoiros]

the dominant language was never Turkish, at least in everyday life. the majority spoke greek in mainland Greece, the islands and in Cyprus, as well as Smyrna.

[@wankawanka3053]

Most of the Turkish words in greek are actually arabic or persian ,turks had to returkify their language after they became a country in order to reduce arabic and persian influence

[@leonpoul5634]

Now, this is half the truth - and half of what is written in your source. First of all, hellenistic and medieval Greek had two distinct forms, manifest already early in the byzantine period, the vernacular "demotic" greek, and the more "atticizing", "classy" Greek, both always mutually compehensible, written in greek, and strongly interacting . Thus, the so - called "purification" (which had started much before Greek independence as a predilection of the more classicizing greek as a language of prestige, science etc in both the empire and the greek diaspora) was merely a choice of which of the two branches would be the official language of the new kingdom and the main carrier of its education, and the "katharevousa" didn't just come out of nothing, or as some sort of revival of the dead classical texts, but rather of an existing and flourising classical lingual tradition ! We should not forget that many post - conquest (of Istanbul) documents were universally in Greek (the ottoman language had not yet been standardized), and many high - ranking officials were actually of Greek birth and education. So, the Greek language reform had nothing in common with the Rumanian for instance (where 50% of the vocabulary was slavic), or even the turkish (where, what in 1923 was called "malumat-i-vataniye", became 4 years later "yurt bilgisi" !).

[@ViLLaPar0s]

No people spoke already demotic ( public) everywhere, with the formation of Greece (katharevousa) purified, tried in order to remove all foreign origin words

[@RichardEdwards40]

Turkic languages lack the following words since they are foreign concepts to the Turks, so they had to borrow them from other languages: Honor: şeref - from Arabic: Šaraf Literature: Edebiyat - from Arabic: Adab Poetry: şiir/nazim - both from Arabic: ši'r and nazm Morality: ahlak - from Arabic: ‘aklāq Arithmetic: Hisap - from Arabic: hisāb Manner: tavr - from Arabic: tawr Bath house: hamam - from Arabic: hammām Clean: temiz - from Arabic: tamyīz Pure: saf - from Arabic: sāfin Logic: mantik - from Arabic: mantiq Chastity: iffet - from Arabic: ‘iffa Prosperity: refah - from Arabic: rafāh conscience: vicdan - from Arabic: wijdān Honesty: dürüst - from Persian: dorost Justice: Adalet - from Arabic: ‘adāla Altruism: fedakarlik - from Arabic: fidā + Persian: kâr Thankfulness: şükran - from Arabic: šukrān Patience: Sabir - from Arabic: şabr Civilization: medeniyet - from Arabic: Madaneyyah

[@TerrorbelliDecuspacis-w5f]

Ottomans are often exaggerated. 1) 6 centuries is the survival of the dynasty, not the existence of empire. 2) Ottoman existence in three tiny parts of different continents happened between 1517-1798. Since then they were imprisoned in Anatolia 3) Ottomans just claimed to be seen as Turkic while they lacked many elements of Turkic statehood. So, even their languages were hugely impacted by other higher cultures of Arabs, Europeans, and Persia. 4) Ottomans were dynasty of military power, while on cultural ground ottomans were consumer kingdom and had nothing to offer for invaded nations to unite them, so local cultures of invaded languages prevailed

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Because Persian is a way nicer language. As are the European languages. Period. End of story.

[@yfk1989]

For whom? To me Persian sounds like cat mewlings. German is too aggressive, French is too throaty which makes you think that they constantly spitting, Spanish gives me head ache with its strong consonants. Only Scandinavian languages somehow sound nicer. IF they speak softly. I prefer Japanese and Korean to all those “nicer” European languages. Preferences all depend on what is your native language and how you hear other languages according to it. So, your mean assumptions are not validated by all.

[@frostflower5555]

I agree, a lot of words that the Ottoman Turks had were of Persian origin. The South Slavs held on to their rich language and thank god the Balkan kept their Slavic indo-European language.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@frostflower5555 I mean, sure. That's good. But I consider Persian and Italian to be the most beautiful languages. I know Iran is "Middle Eastern" so some people don't like that, but Persian poetry is just something else, as is Italian drama and poetry. Turkish is not a language I ever liked. Very unpleasant.

[@terabiter]

Persian sounds like a cat about to throw up a furball. A language for lazy people who do nothing but sit on their asses and ruminate all day. No thanks!

[@bilgibilgi-nr6sj]

​@@ciaronsmith4995Hahaha.In Turkish,at least, we don't make straining sounds like sh*tting as in Persian.😂😂😂During the Ottoman period,very few people knew persian.We have always spoken Turkish and wil lalways do so.

[@AR-bl2hx]

Wow, totally different from Russian approach. They tried to Russify everything

[@Jj.leenard]

Because we didn't oppress cultures and languages of the regions we took over as told by other people. Had the ottomans forced their culture and language upon the people we had under control for roughly 100-600 years, they would be very similar to us with just one generation. But we allowed them to keep that, and they should be thankful.

[@disdoncable]

What a joke! The Ottoman Empire did oppress cultures, religions, and ethnicities for the entire duration of its existence. It was a genocidal, terrorist empire for the entire duration of its being and the list of atrocities and oppressive acts against kaffirs by the Ottomans is endless. No one should be "thankful". The Ottoman Empire should be spat upon and relegated to the garbage dump of history.

[@Proud_Hadrami]

As an Arab, there is no reason at all to be thankful 😂

[@Jj.leenard]

@ if we weren’t so respectful you would be a hybrid whose bloodline had been so washed out you would be calling yourself a Turk.

[@emineeren1122]

@@Proud_HadramiYou lie! You aren‘t arab!

[@ManCheat2]

Armenia would disagree with you... and go fk ur self with that "they should be thankful" lmao

[@hurriyetperver5272]

8:24 For those curious about the meaning of this couplet "He who moves slowly will reach his goal in time, But one who rushes may stumble over his own robe."

[@avestazaza7458]

Schöne Grüße aus Deutschland 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪

[@vexator19]

They were successful in spreading the Turkish language in Asia Minor. People of Asia Minor were previously Greek speaking.

[@alanmoon2448]

Turks have "vicdan"

[@barinasr6806]

Which is an Arabic word …

[@Aredash77]

It's an Arabic word and Turks don't had it...

[@CIHANOZEL-ij6vd]

They used to rule like roman empire thats why

[@OttomaniaGaming]

Ottoman Empire was the only empire that deserves respect. They touched everything and everywhere but all remained as they were before. Look at England, USA now

[@dam8498]

For what they deserve respect? Because what they control didn't make progress for 500 years?

[@Proud_Hadrami]

Idk about others, but as an Arab I am happy that am not under a Turkish rule

[@Gift-ll4nv]

@@dam8498I agree the regions controlled by the Ottoman Empire largely stagnated in terms of development.

[@kalliaspapaioannou7045]

@OttomaniaGaming Dear friend, while in the rest of Europe people experiencing the renaissance and early industrialization in mainland Greece, everything remained in the past for 4 centuries, Greek schools were not allowed,(children were learning to read and write at night from monks in the monasteries), buildings, roads, bridges were not built, except for some minarets next to old Byzantine Churches turning them to Mosques, so if life was so good for them,why the Greeks attempted 124 times to get their independence with thousands of casualties every time, until they get it?

[@sadique7359]

​​@@kalliaspapaioannou7045lil bro The brits and french enslaved people to do the works. Not only that they exploited and destroyed many countries like india ,china, afgan ,pak, Bangaladesh . Ottomans were 1000 times better than them

[@OzkanOzel_USA]

3:10 movie name green valley which was one of the epic comedy movies in last 50 years.

[@raufolcay]

Because they didn’t.

[@mrblake4598]

The idea that other peoples around the Ottoman Empire is just inaccurate and the result of little knowledge over the Ottoman history. Peoples around the empire didn't switch entirely to Turkish but it certainly affected them to some extent ad an imperial language unlike what is said in the first couple minutes of the video.

[@DeeperSoul]

Because Turks are not French or English!

[@majidbineshgar7156]

Turkish has never been renowned as a high culture language . Turkic languages lack rich literature and lacked prestige throughout history so much so that even turkic rulers ( Iran -India -central Asia ) tried distance themselves from Turkic languages

[@rustcohle9134]

@@majidbineshgar7156 yağmalandın!

[@kusturucu1015]

​@@majidbineshgar7156says the iranian who is still writing in noodle script 🤣🤣

[@birdost5781]

@@majidbineshgar7156 After the Turks converted to Islam, they started to use Persian/Arabic as the state language in the states they established. The fact that a certain majority of the people they ruled were non-Turks also played a role in this. However, the language of the entire aristocracy and the army continued to remain Turkic. In all the states Turks established before Islam, the state language was always Turkic. The issue is completely moving away from nationalism and loss of identity in the name of religion. As an iranian, you should know this better. Because at the end of the day, u iranians who have a ''rich literature and prestige'' lost to a handful of desert bedouins lol

[@Proud_Hadrami]

Because their culture was just another Arabic culture 😂

[@danvasii9884]

What you did not mention is the fact that - as others seem to mention - the Turkish spoken by people was not the same with the sort of dialect the administration and highly positioned Turkish spoke: the Ottoman Turkish - mixed with Arabic and Persian terms.

[@Yelbizak]

Well, the whole Turkestan (Central Asia) speaks Turk language

[@vuernxrs]

Because they are Turks -_- (Kazakhs, Turkmens, East Turkestanis, Tajiks, Uzbeks and others)

[@lekevire]

@@vuernxrs Originally they weren't. Just like Anatolia, they were Turkified.

[@vuernxrs]

@@lekevire We came from Central Asia, we are not limited to the Seljuks. "We came in 220 BC (Asian Hun Empire)" Turks are not limited to Turkey.

[@BrotherGamingTR]

@@lekevire Literally the definition of ignorance, just search about Turkic people, not so difficult to google it right ?!!!

[@mahamluky]

@@vuernxrs fake! tajiks are persians not turks.

[@NoelSchulz-db5ws]

I also can Imagine that it is even harder to learn turkish than to learn some European languages for native Arab speakers. The spelling of Turkish is completely different from Arabic.

[@GreaterSomaliya]

Turkish Empire will Comeback Soon inshalah, From Somaliya we Support Turkish

[@alcubz2622]

What happened to "imperialism is bad"?

[@Qazi.M1893]

go find water for your country instead of playing the f00l for another ..

[@FrancisUnderwood-fz6qb]

imperialism is good? 😅

[@GreaterSomaliya]

@@alcubz2622 Western imperialism is the worst of Human history until Now ..

[@GreaterSomaliya]

@@alcubz2622 Western Imperialism is the Worst

[@Asdib6]

What a cool content and comment section

[@lekevire]

They did. When the Ottoman state was first founded, most of Anatolia spoke Greek and Armenian; Turkish was only really exclusive to the elite. But only 2 years after the Ottomans were gone, virtually everybody in Anatolia spoke Turkish.

[@BrotherGamingTR]

Bruh the same ignorant guy is here commenting everywhere

[@lekevire]

@@BrotherGamingTR What are you talking about? Where else have I commented?

[@genveon0]

@@BrotherGamingTR prob kurd or greek nevermind it

[@lekevire]

@@genveon0 Why did you have to insult me by calling me a Kurd?

[@aliceinwonderland4395]

Yeah the creator of this video somehow conveniently forgot that the Turks wiped out the entire Hellenistic and Armenian cultures of Anatolia, replacing their languages, displacing their populations and desecrating their churches. A lot of Muhammad worshippers in the comments section are still trying to make people believe the Turks were "peace-loving" and "tolerant". Yet these same people shilling the Ottomans also worship Atatürk who put and end to their reign. Funny how contradictory of a nation they are.

[@mirandapillsbury7885]

it was their biggest mistake not Turkifying the Balkans. It was why they lost much of their european territory

[@yolomuhanad]

Becuase it was an Islamic empire not a nationalist empire

[@vasme-ju1hk]

Exactly

[@DJ_Ichiyo]

Thank god it failed to spread Islam

[@jimanast3593]

Don't play with words. Russian panslavism was broadened by the Soviets to internationallism. The same way, Turks used religion for their national causes! That's why Arabs don't want Turkey to have a ruling part in the Muslim world.

[@rondoallaturca3973]

@@jimanast3593 LOL Thats after french revolution when every nation wanted to rebelled

[@rondoallaturca3973]

@@jimanast3593 LOL look at millet sistem in ottomans they didnt distinguish between turks and arabs as long as they muslims there was terms such as ruled nation and loyal nation

[@aasifazimabadi786]

Nationalism essentially acts as an anathema to linguistic diversity. The insistence on speaking English only in the U.S. parallels the Turkish nationalist project insisting on a monopoly of the Turkish language. American nationalists feel threatened by Spanish, Haitian Creole, Mandarin, Bengali, Russian, and other languages. Similarly, I have seen utter disdain by Turkish nationalists for the Arabic, Kurdish, Greek, and Armenian tongues. Borders, language, and culture might make a nationalist feel safe, but traditional modes of governance actually allow more language-based freedoms in ways that the nation-state simply is unable to provide.

[@Armand_9]

Turks were not colonialists like the European. The Europeans used their cruelty to spread their languages and assimilated other nations.

[@Gift-ll4nv]

Yes the are they colonised Anatolia a few centuries before and Central Asia even earlier. Turks originated from Mongolia.

[@Armand_9]

@ Turks didn’t originated from Mongolia , Mongolia origins in Turkic land, and they didn’t colonize anyone, learn better the history.

[@ManCheat2]

@@Armand_9 Turks did originate from Mongolia... and yes mongolia did colonize people.

[@Armand_9]

@@ManCheat2 Mongolia was formed long after the Gokturks , Turks were there long before fighting the Chinese. The Great Wall of china was built to prevent the Turks to enter in china, mongols are just some Turcik tribe with different accents and the got called mongols after the majority of the Turks left their lands to go in Central Asia and Europe.

[@ViLLaPar0s]

Yes Turkish committed genocides but as culture was inferior to Balkan ones. People were very proud to abandon their own superior culture

[@ismailyak8907]

Turks actually have a rich history of ruling and protecting minorities. During the Khazar era, they governed Russians and Germanic tribes. The Khazars adopted Judaism to remain neutral in the conflict between Islam and Christianity. Because of their influence, Islam did not spread to Siberia, and Christianity did not gain significant ground among the Germanic tribes. It was the Romans who eventually converted them.

[@_YouTube-User_]

The Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Arab Christians, Georgians and Montenegrins would like to disagree.

[@ismailyak8907]

@@_KZbin-User_ I'm sorry for the Armenians would love to live with them but for the rest i disagree. Anatolia was Ottoman Empire's least invested area. in 600 year Turks rised against Ottoman more then those minorities.

[@_YouTube-User_]

@@ismailyak8907 I am talking about massacres not development, all these people i mentioned at a point or another experienced ethnic cleansing by the Ottomans

[@richlisola1]

This reminds me of how German didn’t rule over the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

[@turan2815]

People defending us Turks makes me happy and iam proud of my ancestors

[@dam8498]

Stop being, they are the worst

[@Napolitano-Lazo]

​@@dam8498 Bro u fellas wiped entire nasions killed millons what kind of propaganda sht u r dealing with in ur country

[@BayındırHan-u6b]

​@@dam8498butthurt westoid spotted

[@DylanPetrohilos]

… the fact that all of Anatolia is Turkish speaking id say no it did succeed somewhat

[@Zhanbolat884]

In the 11 century there were seljuks that defeated Romans in 1071 or 1074 I forgot, then seljuks won against Romans and occupied Anatolia and after that many Turks from Seljuk empire started to emigrate to Anatolia so that's why there are too many Turks in Anatolia

[@ishmamahmed9306]

@@Zhanbolat884 , but it wasn't like the local Anatolians disappeared. Local Anatolians would have outnumbered incoming Turks. Which means that the existing Anatolian population would have been a far bigger source of ancestry for the modern people of Turkey.

[@baalyoz]

​@@ishmamahmed9306Turkish migrations to Anatolia did not end until the 15th century, and the local population consisted of different nations with Hellenic culture, not just Greeks.

[@dzevadbayraktar322]

@@baalyoz exactly there were many groups greeks were not that many they think they were but no

[@BayındırHan-u6b]

​@@ishmamahmed9306 There was 430000 nomadic tents were even only in Western Turkey noted by Arab historian Umar. Central Turkey and the other regions also had high number of turks

[@tajikben]

I think there might be something anachronistic in the idea that Ottoman Turkish was only for elites because it was incomprehensible to normal people due to having Persian influence. This might make sense to people today post RoT language reform, but Persian vocabulary was simply normal back then. Persian was for countless centuries the standard language of Muslims in Asia and the international lingua franca of the East. Persian influence affected Turkish even centuries before the Ottoman Empire was established, so it's not abnormal. You can compare it to English, which has been much influenced by Latin, but that's just how English is and everyone understands it. The idea the Persian influence in Turkish is foreign, unnatural, or incomprehensible, is modern propaganda and people in the Middle Ages didn't think that. People just used Persian words because they were popular, like how many languages today incorporate English words due to English's widespread popularity. In the video it states Turkish never widely penetrated society like Latin did in Rome; that's because in the Muslim East there already was such a language and it was Persian. Alienating Persian and downplaying its role in society and culture is a powerful form of historical revisionism that came to plague countries like Turkey in modern times. The video is right though that back then it wasn't seen as necessary to make everyone speak the same language; that was also a later development in history.

[@justinelhillow]

Wrong!!! Hebrew wasn't even a spoken language for over 2,000 years it only started becoming revived in the late 1800s early 1900s with the Zionist goal of having a language for all Zionist/Jews. Prior to that the Jews spoke the language of the locals, that's why there are many Jews who spoke arabic before the creation of the state of Israel (1947). Jews also spoke Slavic languages and Germanic ones, Yiddish is a Germanic language with Slavic fusion and tiny bit of Hebrew (via) Jewish holy texts that was spoken by many Ashkenazi Jews. To say that Jews in the Ottoman Empire spoke Hebrew is totally incorrect unless it was spoken as a liturgical language kind of how Latin and Coptic are used in their respective churches.

[@aliceinwonderland4395]

Hebrew was spoken for a very long time post-Exile. This is a lie. Hebrew as a language never truly died, it was simply lying dormant until it became reconstructed and reawakened by returning Jews. Quit the fake history.

[@baalyoz]

Jews always spoke Jew in Ottoman Empire and Turkey. I have a guess why European ones needed to relearn it but anyways.

[@EkremSelim]

WE NEVER TRIED TO, WE COULD HAVE IF WE WANTED TO FOR SURE!!!

[@fadi8083]

As a Syrian, I would give you one of the most important reasons why the Turkish language was not spread in the non-Turkish regions. The clearest reason is that there was no good educational system for the non-Turkish people in the empire. More than 90% percent of Syrians were uneducated during the Ottoman Control of Syria because the Ottomans did not build many schools for the Arab people. On the opposite side, the French ruled Syria for less than thirty years. They built many schools and tried to spread French in the country through education. To conclude, Ottomans were not interested in educating the non-Turkish peoples of the Empire, so those people could not learn Turkish while the French used to spread their culture wherever they went. Most of the non-Turkish peoples within the Ottoman Empire could not have the chance to learn the Turkish language even as a second language. However, there is something very important to affirm here; even if Turkish people tried to spread their language, Turkish would be strongly resisted by Arabs, Greeks, Armenians, etc. The languages used by the non-Turkish population are more ancient than Turkish and these languages are written and spoken at the same time. So the languages are enough developed and represent the cultures of the peoples within the Empire. When the language of the colonized people is developed it would be very difficult for the colonizer to delete it from the minds of the people. For example, French colonized the Maghreb region, but they could not delete the Arabic language from the region because Arabic is a very developed language. That's why Arabic is still the language of Algeria despite the French effort. The same would happen to Turkish if the Ottomans tried to spread the Turkish language. That's why many people consider the Turkish people in the Ottoman Empire to be Tax-Collectors more than Educators or knowledge spreaders.

[@dzevadbayraktar322]

more ancient, you mean local language to locals I amor eancient not ancient compared to Turkish language

[@lindalakhdari1049]

Arabs invasion to north Africa used Islam as a weapon to promote Arabic to destroy natives language Tamazight.

[@jojoma5988]

Your stories are lies. The Ottoman understanding of education was not teaching Turkish but teaching religion. The French had a nationalist movement, so they wanted French to be known, but the main goal of the Turks was not nationalism, they cared more about religion, so there were madrasahs in Syria and most parts of the empire, and mosques were also used as schools. Non-Muslims were opening their own schools. Now there is an Armenian Orthodox school two streets above me and it is still in use, opposite the Orthodox church. Also, the French controlled Syria for 50 years. If the Turks wanted, there would be no Armenian or Greek language left in 800 years. The funny thing is that if Turkish was taught in madrasahs, we would be colonists, it was not forced, Arabic was used, we became indifferent, it is funny that we are the bad guys every time.

[@suart73]

Because the Empire did not suppress ethnicities. Did not rob them away from their culture, religion or nationality.

[@d3f2r1]

Since Turkic peoples are originally from Central Asia, it is safe to say that each square inch of the current Turkish state itself lies exactly where there used to be Greek, Armenian, Georgian, Arab, Kurdish and Aramean lands. All of those languages and cultures that existed in Anatolia for centuries were basically erased in favour of the Turkish culture that currently replaces them. Some (or many) of their most visited tourist attractions are to this day remains of previous civilizations of each area. The Ottoman Empire, though ambissious, at a point in history was simply not organized and powerful enough to Turkify the Balkans, North Africa and the Middle East, while the Western Powers were colonizing half of the world very efficiently. If they had gotten industrialized and reformed their language earlier, perhaps they could have succeeded in keeping their dominance, but as this did not happen, we see that nowadays even the Kurdistan issue, for instance, is still giving Turkey a ton of headache. (I don't hate Turks, just trying to put history together in a cold analysis.)

[@burakgazicetin3628]

you are revisionising between two terms. Migration, And Colonisation. So just like Anglicans of England turks migrated to anatolia so as you cant say that Ethnicities were originally from England, forced to asimilisation, you cant say the same thing for Anatolians.

[@afsal_kk]

We observe the same in northern India, where the Mughals ruled for over 700 years. Rather than imposing their Persian language on the natives, they contributed to the creation of a new language, Urdu, which is quite similar to Hindi.

[@abduleve8688]

Because unlike European colonization they didn't create pseudo school dungeons that brainwashed the colonized nation and forced them to forget their religion and language and killed many in the process

[@aliertugrultv]

Türkçe Dünya dilidir.

[@osman7876]

Neden öyle düşünüyorsunuz?

[@Hasanaljadid]

No

[@gazo11]

HAHAHAH Turkiyede bile konusulmuyor aynen dunya dili

[@halukipek5943]

Saraybosnadan Doğu Türkistana kadar işini görür​, daha ne istiyorsun@@gazo11

[@ghareebjan3130]

The language of racism and racists

[@abdullahassaffah]

Ottoman themselves mostly spoke Arabic all sultan knew Arabic Turkish and Persian they liked writing poetry in Turkish while Islam and their courts and governance they spoke Arabic especially when passing fatwa spreading the Turkish language was not a concern

[@Dragonman998]

The tolerant but long lasting Ottoman rule esencially had deep cultural and above all linguistical impact to the non-Turkic speaking peoples of the former Ottoman Empire. Even modern post-Ottoman "purified" and standardised languages such are: Greek, Albanian, Romanian, South Slavic (Serbian, Bosniak, Croatian, Bulgarian and Macedonian), Hungarian, Georgian, Circassian, Armenian, Kurdish and Arabic have somewhere between 3.500 and 9.000 Turkish loanwords ('turkisms') originated from the Ottoman era.

[@disdoncable]

Ottoman rule was anything but "tolerant".

[@pyrusheliosmk2204]

​@@disdoncable If you don't speak Turkish and aren't muslim today, they definitiv were!

[@ivancertic5197]

​​​@@pyrusheliosmk2204And if specificaly your ancestor were not the ones that Ottomans brutally massacred.

[@Kjjj07]

@@disdoncable they let christians and jews live in the empire with the system of dhimmah (jizyah tax), even if sometimes there could be abuse particularly with devchirme. More tolerant than spanish which force catholicism on everyone in the americas for exemple

[@popacristian2056]

The Romanian language has 75% words with Latin roots and borrowings from about 15 other languages, of which Turkish ones are among the few (only 0.7%) that quickly became archaisms.

[@marwaqoura7804]

Ottoman Empire was about collecting tax and other countries' resources ,even if they were of the same religion.. It was never about education , progression , culture , science , buildinng nations or allowing them to build themselves ! it is simply about 'taking' by force and that's it , I am an Egyotian Muslim BTW and it was the darkest time fir Egypt in it 7000 years history ..

[@reefjosey1947]

you are living darkest times right now. you just dont realize it.

[@Proud_Hadrami]

They tried to revive Ottoman nationalisim, but we Arabs responded 💪

[@Serenay53]

İhanet

[@Nashkelov]

Well done brother, all of today’s problems caused by hypocrite betrayers like you.

[@Levo_D_Angelo]

Thank to god, we are not in same country with you arabs. Today we build everything by our own while you are nothing, if you had no oil you would suffer hunger. Imagine arabs would live under us, they would be the biggest criminals , drug dealer etc. Just look what they do in europe. Atatürk thank to ATATÜRK ! Hey you arab, keep on building Camel engined 5th gen fighter Jets 🤣🤣

[@Proud_Hadrami]

@@Nashkelov it is your faults, in the ends of the Ottoman empire, Turks were bad at ruling at that time, like 19th century, there was a lot of... bad things...

[@BesiktasSevdalisi187]

Oe

[@tats8666]

I wonder how the would have coordinated an army or navy in such a situation? They would have had to have separated regiments or ships according to language and culture and have at least a few people who could interpret between them in each group to be able to be cohesive and coordinate movements and strategies.

[@HatredForMankind]

All military training was solely Turkish.

[@avestazaza7458]

1932 wurde auf Weisung des damaligen Präsidenten Mustafa Kemal Atatürk die Türkische Sprachgesellschaft gegründet. Sie löste die türkische Sprache von einer Vielzahl von arabischer und persische Wörtern.

[@Kuppasy]

It’s when they wanted only Turkish as language, through Turkish nationalism, ottoman collapsed.

[@batdis2046]

It's hard to be a turk. We have always had high tolerance for variety of religion and languages. Before islam our own local religion was tengrism which is a bit similar to budhism or other passive asian beliefs. No prophet, a single god exists but not particularly angry or punishes you. Tengrism also have gender equality and secularism. Even after islam, turks maintained their secular lifestyle mixed with islam until 16th century. after that turks became more and more arabic, the system changed to islamic rules and rulers have changed as well. after that the empire slowly broke to tears and everybody... including our religious arab friends betrayed us. until nationalist turks saved the country with their own bloods and rebuilt in one more time only for islamists to ruin it again