Why Palpatine didn’t follow the Rule of Two

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We'll talk about our one and only Sith'a'ri, Papa Palpatine, the man which had a beef with literally everyone including even the bad guys for some reason. That and more on today's Star Wars video!
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@thegrandduke8968
@thegrandduke8968 7 күн бұрын
>Doesn’t respect lightsabers >is basically the best lightsaber duelist in the galaxy >doesn’t respect the sith >is the most successful sith of all time. >respects force lightning >gets horribly disfigured and killed trying to use force lightning. Gg’s palps.
@TemplarLux
@TemplarLux 7 күн бұрын
Idk man Vitiate would probably give Palpatine a run for his money. Unless we’re talking Legends Palpatine. That would be a little bit closer and I’m not quite sure who would win. Think they’re about the same.
@AUGIEBENDOGGIE1997
@AUGIEBENDOGGIE1997 6 күн бұрын
Vitiate was the most successful sith if not the most powerful
@lucamarsiglia7284
@lucamarsiglia7284 6 күн бұрын
nnah lol all sith rule for more and dont die like an idiot lol
@Eagle-mn9mo
@Eagle-mn9mo 6 күн бұрын
He was actually disfigured by using the Dark side for all those years. He just made himself look normal using Sith alchemy. And by using the powers of the Dark side against Mace Windu, his true form revealed itself.
@Hyundaii10Supercar
@Hyundaii10Supercar 5 күн бұрын
​@@TemplarLuxVitiate isn't canon (at least not yet) so obviously legends Palpatine should be used. And even then Palpatine has always been the most powerful sith ever, just like Luke was the most powerful Jedi ever and Anakin could have been the most powerful being (other than the wills and likely Abaloth) but was cut short. Unfortunately KOTOR and TOR is plagued by self inserts and OC's that totally warped what star wars was like and created the most insufferable fanbase.
@tkc1129
@tkc1129 7 күн бұрын
The bit about Palpatine seeing himself as the culmination of the Rule of Two, and thus being able to do whatever he wants to after basically completing the Rule of Two's objective, was pretty good.
@Archibald_Dreamer
@Archibald_Dreamer 7 күн бұрын
oh man this outro music... brings back memories...
@coreygunter6761
@coreygunter6761 7 күн бұрын
One thing to note is that even Bane himself took liberties far and bending the rule of two. He took the woman that would later become Darth Cognus on before Zannah was out of the picture. The rule seems like more of a flexible guideline overall and that actually may have worked for the best. Far as Baneite sith, there were alot of risk if an apprentice failed and already took up most of a masters lifespan to train.
@willythemailboy2
@willythemailboy2 6 күн бұрын
The "rule of two" basically resulted in Sith lords having two or three apprentices rather than a dozen. It achieved most of the intended function while also allowing Sith lords to follow their natural inclination to break rules while also limiting how far they actually push that boundary.
@agahnim0196
@agahnim0196 4 күн бұрын
the rule of 2 is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.
@winglessmecha
@winglessmecha Күн бұрын
Darth Bane refused to formally train Cognus until his battle with Zannah was decided. He accepted her into the sith but not as his apprentice
@byby600
@byby600 6 күн бұрын
I’m sure you’ll never see this but I’ve been watching your videos for years and the outro song always hits me with crazy nostalgia so thank you for never changing it.
@EckhartsLadder
@EckhartsLadder 6 күн бұрын
I see you
@TheIceCrypt
@TheIceCrypt 7 күн бұрын
Palpatine perfectly represents the Sith: He is so self-interested that he foregoes any & all codes of conduct (even the Sith’s) if it means getting his way. F*** the Jedi, F*** the Sith: they’re both just means to an end.
@TheChristianPsychopath
@TheChristianPsychopath 6 күн бұрын
Yup
@TribbleArtCreations
@TribbleArtCreations 6 күн бұрын
I would also say F*** the Sith also seems pretty on par with the Sith....in a "Rules are meant to be broken/I do what I want" sort of way, lol.
@CivilMind117
@CivilMind117 7 күн бұрын
The song at the end is back!!
@tonysladky8925
@tonysladky8925 7 күн бұрын
My headcanon has always been that there *can* be more than two Sith; you just can't legally have more than two Sith in your... uh... adventuring party. Apprentice you thought dead turns out to still be alive with robot legs after you've already started training a new apprentice? Fine. That ex-apprentice goes off and decides he's the Master and his little brother is the Apprentice in a whole different Sith duo? Fine. Train a bunch of Dark Side Force users, including your Hands, your Inquisitors, your Dark Jedi, and probably a bunch of others that I'm forgetting, but only one Apprentice? Fine. Your current Apprentice takes on an Apprentice of his own to try and usurp you? Okay, you should probably kill at least one of them just because it's the smart thing to do, but not doing so isn't a violation of the Rule of Two on *your* part. Train two or more Apprentices at the same time? Now you're in "violating the Rule of Two" territory, and Darth Bane's Holocron is probably going to be so offended it Vonduun crab armor into a dragon with you inside.
@sulac4ever170
@sulac4ever170 6 күн бұрын
YES! THE OLD OUTRO! ❤
@turin7052
@turin7052 6 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for bringing the old school ending back! :)
@FireFox64000000
@FireFox64000000 7 күн бұрын
It's been a while since we've got to enjoy a nice lore video.
@benzorelli9667
@benzorelli9667 6 күн бұрын
Ayye the old outros back!!
@R0dLentini
@R0dLentini 7 күн бұрын
4:43 - FORCE SENSITIVE ASIANS
@RyanBride641
@RyanBride641 7 күн бұрын
That had me dying 😂
@Ranyick
@Ranyick 6 күн бұрын
Excellent at math and force sensitive, truly a force to be reckoned with
@kenasuma61
@kenasuma61 6 күн бұрын
Omg the old outro thank you
@The_BlueShade
@The_BlueShade 7 күн бұрын
And about sidious letting maul live after mandalore, maul was more like a sith rival at that point as sidious says to him in anger before they dueled. Sidious doesn't recruit or enslave maul either, he imprisons him and uses him to draw out mother talzin as shown in the comics if I recall correctly.
@crownprincesebastianjohano7069
@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 7 күн бұрын
Correct. He used him. The whole thing was a trap. Dooku was supposed to be captured. He was the bait.
@michaelredford5389
@michaelredford5389 6 күн бұрын
My own canon reason for this was always that Sidious thought himself too powerful to be betrayed by an apprentice, even if they took one themselves.
@TechnoCocoa
@TechnoCocoa 6 күн бұрын
Classic ending makes me so happy!
@CloneScavengerVulpin8389
@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 7 күн бұрын
Darth plagueis himself said very few sith actually honored the rule of two.
@marchanarch1728
@marchanarch1728 3 күн бұрын
Im so glad you used that shot at the end shot. I often think of it whenever the rule of two is brought up
@AluVixapede
@AluVixapede 7 күн бұрын
Palpatine: "Who needs the rule of two, when I'll just exist forever :)"
@dizehjvegnomis
@dizehjvegnomis 6 күн бұрын
heh this was a fun video eck, thank you......and RESONANCE!!! ❤️‍🔥
@chewy99.
@chewy99. 6 күн бұрын
I’m glad you changed the name of the video, I already guessed it was about this though.
@katsarelas1947
@katsarelas1947 6 күн бұрын
Oh he followed the rule of two. He had TWO OF THEM ZAPPY FISTS
@haraldjensen1839
@haraldjensen1839 7 күн бұрын
Palpatines' plans vis-a-vis the Dark Empire and the Skywalker family reminds me a lot of the book God Emperor of Dune, with the immortal Emperor Leto II Atreides, and his underlings being the descendents of his sister Ghanima and Farad'n Corrino. Very interesting.
@disableddanny96
@disableddanny96 6 күн бұрын
I just have to say I love this kind of thing. Never change
@crazyguy1mania537
@crazyguy1mania537 6 күн бұрын
#AskEck Could you cover some of the smaller stories such as the ones from The Lost Tribes of the Sith, Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Empire, New Republic, Jabbas Palace, or Mos Eisley Cantina? Millennium Falcon, or ESPECIALLY Crucible would be amazing as well. There's a lotta lore that I have trouble summarizing in them and, especially with Lost Tribes and Millennium Falcon, wild and somewhat outlandish subplots that tie into thousands of years of stories and widen aspects of the force and create that sense of mystery of the force I experienced when reading the Old Republic stories for the first time and seeing all the force abilities. Hell Millennium Falcon even explains why you can see it in episode 3 going to the senate building. I know that's a lot, but any of this would be content I haven't really seen covered before.
@RaphBlade7
@RaphBlade7 6 күн бұрын
I like to think that some Sith Lords bent the rule of two, as they likely recognized that having one Apprentice could put the Sith in danger of being killed off or to ensure they had the best Apprentice! Palpatine had Maul while he himself was still an Apprentice, but Maul was more of a Sith assassin, who Palpatine thought dead after the Battle on Naboo and by the time Maul's survival was made known, Palpatine had a far better Apprentice in Dooku, with Anakin being groomed as a younger more powerful replacement! Palpatine also did adhere to the Rule of Two at times like when he ordered Dooku to kill Ventress, to eliminate the possibility of Dooku trying to usurp him as Master! The Inquisitiors were more Dark Jedi by design than true Sith, though they also served to keep Vader on his toes less one of them prove themselves worth of replacing him! This ensured neither the Inquisitors nor Vader could usurp him Vader would be too busy keeping them in line while the Inquisitors were focused on hunting Jedi and avoiding Vader's wrath!
@TomCoates
@TomCoates 7 күн бұрын
My headcanon here is based on Darth Plaguis and Rise of Skywalker stuff - which is that *actually* the Sith aren’t really that interested in a rule of two at all. That Plagueis effectively had an acolyte that he could attempt to transfer his consciousness into when he was close to death. That then makes it clear why Palpatine was so excited about Anakin originally - more force power, and then more interested in Luke when he turned up because there was an opportunity to skip over the mutilated body of Vader. This probably doesn’t respect canon as it stands, but it makes way more sense to me than the other rule of two stuff
@XieRH1988
@XieRH1988 6 күн бұрын
We need a new tales of the jedi or something to recontextualize the rule. Have it be revealed that darth bane with his 5000 IQ made the rule to dupe the jedi (like yoda) into thinking there were literally only 2 sith, so the jedi could be fooled into thinking they eradicated the sith order after killling 2 people.
@bartistclord1916
@bartistclord1916 6 күн бұрын
Yes, The rule is a lie. Misinformation to trick the jedi. they think Ventress is the apprentice and dooku is the master, and we are done. Makes me yearn for Darth Jar-Jar as Palpy's hidden master.
@Phillisophical
@Phillisophical 4 күн бұрын
Palpatine brooding to himself: “Rule of two?…but I’m as strong as two at the least…yea that counts”
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan 2 күн бұрын
Darth Venamis: I know. I'm already a demon...Heaven's not my kind of place, anyway.
@mcpics4448
@mcpics4448 6 күн бұрын
Palpatine follow the "Rule for thee not for me"
@lanceyoung9955
@lanceyoung9955 6 күн бұрын
Palpatine: They're more what you'd call guidelines then actual rules
@dankestly1774
@dankestly1774 7 күн бұрын
EckhartsLadder uploaded🗣️🔥💯‼️
@gudmundur-heimisson
@gudmundur-heimisson 4 күн бұрын
I’m sure I’m not the first person to say this, but originally the rule of two wasn’t a rule but more like a description for how Sith power hierarchies evolve. According to Lucas because Sith are so power hungry any hierarchy they set up will inevitably collapse into a master-apprentice duo. But this wasn’t a formal law they followed, just a consequence of all the backstabbing and power games getting everyone else killed.
@P2501-y6u
@P2501-y6u Күн бұрын
"The minute God crapped out the third caveman a conspiracy was hatched against one of them" - Gen. Hunter Gathers, OSI
@EliSkinner-f8x
@EliSkinner-f8x 7 күн бұрын
30 seconds ago is impecable
@Soboba.Fett69
@Soboba.Fett69 7 күн бұрын
30seconds behind ya fam
@Capt.Kasuko
@Capt.Kasuko 7 күн бұрын
2 mins ago for me
@dominiclemire2540
@dominiclemire2540 6 күн бұрын
Finally, your ending song is back 😀
@RA10H56
@RA10H56 5 күн бұрын
The concept of a sith lord following any rules is a fanciful notion indeed!
@RaphBlade7
@RaphBlade7 6 күн бұрын
3:33 - I agree! I'd say it was more likely bending the rule a bit, in order to ensure he had the best Apprentice possible! After all Dooku was older and still thought too much like a Jedi (he also likely saw Dooku as a political threat as he was charismatic and understood politics in a way Anakin did not)! Anakin was the chosen one and struggled with being pulled towards the Dark Side for most of his life as a Jedi!
@FalconX_Productions
@FalconX_Productions 7 күн бұрын
#AskEck I've been watching you for a few years now. Absolutely love your content. I watched Star Wars for the first time in 2020 (it was Episode V), when I was 9 or 10 at the time. Afterwards, your content really boosted my interest in Star Wars. I wanted to expand my knowledge and understanding of Star Wars Legends, or generally the non-canon side of Star Wars (the stuff not in the movies or TV shows). I wanted to ask where to start and which books to read in what order. I do hope you see this comment. Keep up the great work!! Sincerely, Falcon I dont know if you've answered this yet*
@guerilla_gorilla6267
@guerilla_gorilla6267 7 күн бұрын
I think Eck’s covered this a little in the past! Here’s a video from 6 years ago covering where to start with legends: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4ekaK1vm7Cid6Msi=dh2yIxzu3_ftZf9c Personally, I started reading legends mostly in the prequel era, Plagueis, Kenobi, the rise of Darth Vader, and the RotS novel are all personal favorites of mine
@FalconX_Productions
@FalconX_Productions 7 күн бұрын
@guerilla_gorilla6267 wow, thanks! I'll definitely be watching it.
@Asguard82
@Asguard82 5 күн бұрын
Bane himself violated it, he trained Darth Cognus AND he tried to use essence transfer to live forever
@AlexSmith-gt4oy
@AlexSmith-gt4oy 5 күн бұрын
Okay but what in tarnation was that clip at 4:30 ??😂
@InAccordanceWithProphecy
@InAccordanceWithProphecy 7 күн бұрын
Rule of two is bullshit. You need a sith lord with battle meditation in each fleet
@patricktorres4226
@patricktorres4226 7 күн бұрын
But then every sith lord with a battle fleet wants to be Galactic Emperor. 😂
@mattcat83
@mattcat83 7 күн бұрын
What do you think caused so much civil war in the late Roman Empire? ​@@patricktorres4226
@TheChristianPsychopath
@TheChristianPsychopath 6 күн бұрын
​@@patricktorres4226Palpatine had middle management Sith.
@johnnycasteel7
@johnnycasteel7 2 күн бұрын
Bad guys don’t follow the rules 😈
@fungaem
@fungaem 6 күн бұрын
I love the sith, it's like pirates with the pirate code, the rules that sith have are more like guidelines than anything else.
@ronwit
@ronwit 6 күн бұрын
Frankly I always thought that Palpatine was lying about that.
@BobBob-jy9ue
@BobBob-jy9ue 7 күн бұрын
#AskEck, Did the Empire televise (or whatever the Star Wars equivalent is) the battle of Endor? If it had gone right, it would have demonstrated the power of the Death Star as well as show the Empire’s effective response to the Rebel Alliance?
@baron7755
@baron7755 5 күн бұрын
I've been telling people this for years, and they argue with me every time
@CallmeMors
@CallmeMors 7 күн бұрын
Palpatine's greatest flaw of character was his ego; his certainty in believing he was the culmination of the Sith/ rule of 2. Idk ol' Sheevus gets under my skin lol
@pyotrbagration2438
@pyotrbagration2438 3 күн бұрын
The Senate is not confined by such trivial rules.
@juanmc5731
@juanmc5731 7 күн бұрын
What Palpatine really needed was a Goauld sarcophagus.
@59rlmccormack
@59rlmccormack 6 күн бұрын
Sidious took Dooku when it seemed Maul was dead, and he spared the latter so he could use him to kill Talzin.
@Meritania
@Meritania 7 күн бұрын
I think the rule of two was for when the Sith is hiding in the shadows. When the Sith is at the forefront of galactic domination, it probably needs the manpower more than the secrecy.
@CS-uc2bj
@CS-uc2bj 6 күн бұрын
For the life of me I can’t remember what book it was, but at some point there’s a palpatine POV chapter and he says to himself that once he’s figured out immortality he’ll keep the rule of two going, but just for the sake of tradition. So yeah, palps is just gonna do whatever palps wants to do.
@opiterturpilinus2248
@opiterturpilinus2248 6 күн бұрын
I mean a lot easier to follow rule of two when not in power so makes sense
@lordvader5756
@lordvader5756 7 күн бұрын
Man Papa Palps straight up invented the rule of 1,5
@Monotropa_uni
@Monotropa_uni 6 күн бұрын
4:44 "force sensitive asians" my favourite kind of asians.
@jamesthemuchless
@jamesthemuchless 6 күн бұрын
They're more more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules....
@BrettCaton
@BrettCaton 7 күн бұрын
I always think of Palpatine as the ultimate Neutral Evil. He would have burned the universe if it benefitted him. He would have burned the dark side of the force and lived giving to the poor and the sick if it benefitted him. He had no loyalty to anything but himself.
@robotmonkeys
@robotmonkeys 6 күн бұрын
Ah yes, the Rule of Two an idea spawned off of a single throwaway line in Episode I. And of course this makes sense, because the Sith are famously rule followers.
@AberrantChibi
@AberrantChibi 7 күн бұрын
So there is this lore book called the Book of the Sith that came out somewhere between the prequels and Disney canon. This book is a disjointed gathering of various lore from games, stories and so forth, annotaited by both Jedi, Sith and ol' Palpy himself. One chapter, written by Palps, speficially states his plans for the galaxy and talks about the abolisment of the Rule of Two. Insteads, he would adopt the Rule of One, specifically _his_ rule. He would supported by people trained in the dark side, but not to the full extend of a true Sith would be and with various weaknesses that only he knows about. Tools, not apprentices. He would live forever through cloning and mind transfer. Of course, how accurate this remains is a point of debate considering this book also talks about the Sith forging their own crystals instead of this 'bleeding' crystal thing, nor does it dismissing the 'turn your lightsaber off during combat' trick (which appeared in the _Jedi_ companion book of all things), so... I will however say that apparently Sith ghosts do not like ol' Palpy, from what I understand, so the bit about him introducing the Rule of One is something I take as still tenious canon unless told otherwise.
@GiganticPawUnit
@GiganticPawUnit 4 күн бұрын
Beyond the inherent ego of being a sith lord, as you mention, once a sith has killed their master, they probably think of themself as THE guy who makes the rules for all sith from then on. (Never mind what happens when their apprentice kills them... most sith probably think they'll be the one who lives forever)
@eds1942
@eds1942 6 күн бұрын
The core element of the Rule of Two was that there would be only one Master and one Apprentice, with maybe either training a secret apprentice just in case the Master got tired of his official apprentice or the Apprentice decided that their were ready to replace his Master. Any other Sith, were either tools or acolytes, neither not brought into the Ro2 or the Plan. But each Sith Master seemed to have their own understanding of it and often came to believe themselves to be beyond such rules, at least near the end of that era. With Palpatine and Vader? Palpatine saw that he had fulfilled the Sith Plan under the Rule of Two, and let’s face it, few in history would have been powerful enough to stand up to them. The other Darksiders or Force Users under him like the Inquisitors, his secret Hands and the Darkside prophets, were nowhere their own strength in the Force, some of whom weren’t even fully trained, and those that knew much about the others, were kept at odds with each other in competition to outperform the other nor were they brought into the Sith religion. The only one that saw themselves as Sith that I can think of was Lumiya from the old Marvel comics long before she was brought into the old EU continuity. I just don’t like how the Inquisitors are organized in the new canon as not only are they directly under Vader’s command, but seem to work together more like a team than I remember of them in the Legends EU.
@killingragethrowback
@killingragethrowback 7 күн бұрын
It's funny how the Jedi adopted the Rule of Two, they just got rid of the dying part and made it more of an until the apprentice graduates thing. The Sith should have done the same, but of course, Bane is an extreme misanthrope so he couldn't help it.
@Spiritus_Invictus
@Spiritus_Invictus 7 күн бұрын
2. Additional points 1. Bane also violated The Rule of Two 2. Palpatine and Darth Bane both tried to brake the ultimate chain of their code. Darth Bane violating The Rule of Two was done by trying to create a Rule of One; Him. In the final chapters of the Darth Bane books he was taught and tried the method to take over the body of his apprentice resulting his spirit lives on forever (spoiler for the book; it failed ). Reason was the same why Palpatine tried to, which is the 2nd point breaking the ultimate chain; death Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. Death is the ultimate chain that binds everyone. So breaking it is the ultimate goal. And we see the opposite happening with the Jedi. When someone dies they say don't be sad but rejoice because they're one with the force. The rule of Two is a method to achieve victory against the Jedi but also a means to an end to achieving immortality. That's why we saw Palpatine create clones and why Vader was slowly changed from apprentice to enforcer, like Maul. We see this Rule of One in all Sith stories where a Sith found a way to immortality. Never in those stories you only meet the master and a cult fallowing, but never the apprentice because there's no need for an apprentice to carry on the research.
@jamesmacleod9382
@jamesmacleod9382 6 күн бұрын
It takes two to make a thing go right It takes two to make it outasight Nothing else justifies the rule of two more than this lyric
@TheVisualDigitalArts
@TheVisualDigitalArts 6 күн бұрын
When your bad, there are no rules😎 -- Darth Sidious probably
@jcorpac
@jcorpac 7 күн бұрын
I think the Rule of Two takes conflict between Sith into account. The apprentice will always want to kill the master and take their place, then take an apprentice of their own. The master will pit two apprentices against each other and continue training the one that survives (consider Anakin vs Dooku there even if Anakin didn't know it yet). Palpatine told Maul that he had been replaced, and since Maul had his own apprentice, he was now a rival. After Maul was defeated and Savage killed, Palpatine no longer saw him as a threat, thus not a Sith. No matter how it plays out, conflict between Sith will whittle the population down to two - a master and an apprentice.
@corvetteguy91
@corvetteguy91 Күн бұрын
Palpatine: I do what I want.
@jasonking3182
@jasonking3182 5 күн бұрын
The rule of two is less a rule and more how how things tend to work out for dark side forces users. One powerful on able to hold off his apprentices until one is strong enough to overcome them
@Clump666
@Clump666 6 күн бұрын
When Palpatine beat Maul he said to Maul that there could only be two
@michaellucas7882
@michaellucas7882 7 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@onetruekeeper
@onetruekeeper 4 күн бұрын
The rule of two requires that the apprentice kills the master. Palpatine had no wish to die at the hands of Vader. He planned to use him then eliminate Vader when he no longer was useful.
@ricks5756
@ricks5756 2 күн бұрын
"The Rule of Two" is just a guideline, it is not a Sith law. Darth Bane was the one who cane up with the 'rule' to stop frivolous infighting, and in theory, only allowing the promotion of strongest dark side users.
@mrkripo6227
@mrkripo6227 6 күн бұрын
Bro wanted to live forever, the rule of two involves a student killing a teacher. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, I WONDER WHY HE DID NOT WENT THROUGH WITH IT.
@LoneManProductions
@LoneManProductions 5 күн бұрын
#AskEck Your vid got me thinking about the Rule of Two, and I'm wondering if there were any Sith masters who weren't straight up killed by their apprentices to replace them? Are there any known that chose to step down, either by choice or by being outplayed, or died of disease or just plain old age, for example?
@nottherealleo
@nottherealleo 7 күн бұрын
#AskEck I know it's sci-fi, but is there an in-universe explanation as to why people don't just go flying when a ship enters/exits hyperspace? People dont seem to be strapped in, so when a ship accelerates or deccelaretes due to hyperspace, you'd think everyone would be smashing against their ships' walls.
@Buzzy_Bland
@Buzzy_Bland 4 күн бұрын
They’re just a friend, they don’t mean anything me. You’re the only apprentice for me.
@digitaladventurer2142
@digitaladventurer2142 3 күн бұрын
I think he did to a degree. He took Maul on while Plaigus was alive but I think he was only mean to be an assassin at first and never a true Sith until after Plaigus was killed. After Maul was presumed dead his eyes were on Anakin but he knew he couldn't just take him since the Jedi already had him so he manipulated him slowly from the shadows. Dooku I feel was just a cash cow to help start the Clone Wars. He was never meant to truly be Palpatine's successor. After the Empire rose yeah he created the inquisitors but they were always meant to be small time bloodhounds to track down the remaining Jedi and were eventually dissolved, so Palpatine and Vader were the only 2 True Sith in the galaxy, and when Maul returned and started building a power base Palpatine went personally and dismantled it.
@jeremylee6352
@jeremylee6352 7 күн бұрын
Imho, the rule of two was never really broken. Maul was never moulded to be a sith lord but rather a sith assassin. Dooku was trained enough to be more powerful than his jedi self but not powerful enough to overthrow palpatine. Having a second apprentice doesn’t necessarily break the rule of two because once the apprentices are powerful enough they’ll be made to kill each other. The surviving apprentice becomes the formal apprentice of the sith lord. It’s in a way to lessen the risk by spreading out power holders in case one of them got discovered by the jedi. And yes iirc, palpatine did intend to move towards the rule of one.
@JediMasterZim
@JediMasterZim 6 күн бұрын
"Maul was never molded to be a Sith Lord but rather a sith assassin. Dooku was trained enough to be more powerful than his jedi self but not powerful enough to overthrow palpatine." Ah, but that's the thing, @jeremylee6352...not actually training them when they were apprentices to be able to surpass Palpatine IS IN ITSELF a violation of the Rule of Two, in fact it is completely breaking it on a fundamental level. The Rule of Two demands that the master train their apprentice to be better than they were and then eventually kill them in either a show of superior strength, superior skill, or superior cunning to prove that the apprentice really did surpass the master. After that, the apprentice must repeat the process in training one who would surpass himself/herself, then that next master must do the same, etc. Through this, the Sith (on paper, anyways) are supposed to continually improve with each generation, and the Sith themselves would be forced to evolve with each generation: Darth Zannah would be greater than Bane, Darth Cognus would be better than Zannah, and so on (again, that's the idea, anyways). But Palpatine, in what predecessors of his and certainly the founder Darth Bane would have seen as utter selfishness to the direct detriment of the Sith, did not do that, not with Maul or Tyranus or with Vader, and (as far as we know for sure, anyways) Palpatine/Sidious never intended to. That refusal of Palpatine to do what generations of Banite Sith had done for roughly a millennium, masters training their apprentice to surpass and eventually slay them and pass on the mantle of Dark Lord/Lady of the Sith, more than anything is-in the view of Darth Bane who founded the Rule of Two and probably most of Palpatine's predecessors-easily the grossest and most direct violation of the Rule of Two. I imagine if one spoke to the spirit of Darth Bane and probably most of his successors-certainly Zannah and Cognus if no one else-would have felt that this abandonment-indeed, betrayal-of the Rule of Two for the most egotistical and selfish of reasons was ended up being the ultimate undoing of not just Palpatine himself but the Banite Sith lineage as a whole. I forgot which Star Wars youtuber said it, but I have to agree with his assessment that unlike Darth Bane, Palpatine was incapable of imagining a galaxy, a (de facto Sith) Galactic Empire, or an Order of Sith Lords after him because of his ego. Then again...considering who Palpatine was, that kind of checks out, and if we're being honest it was kind of inevitable that one day there would be a Sith Master who was too selfish and egotistical to put the needs of the Order of Sith Lords-never mind their ideology-above their own desires and ego. Edit: I totally agree with your assessment that Palpatine intended on moving towards the Rule of One. In fact, I think we can agree that it wouldn't be surprising if that was always his intention from the very start. I also agree with you that he would always make two apprentices (even if he didn't call both of them that) be made to kill each other and have the survivor be his formal apprentice, especially seeing as we have witnessed him do that in practice, or try to with Luke against Vader. Finally, I also agree with that last thing you said on how it was a way to lessen the risk of them being discovered by Jedi during the Prequel Era and before, or make it less devastating if one is caught and cannot be extracted.
@Himanshu2090D
@Himanshu2090D 6 күн бұрын
#AskEck I had a doubt, how could the Sith become force ghosts, essentially binding their souls to certain objects or places. If so, why wasn’t it seen as an alternate to the jedi way of becoming an apparition of the force.
@heidifedor
@heidifedor 4 күн бұрын
Rule of 2 wasn’t a thing until the Phantom Menace.
@arbiter11171
@arbiter11171 6 күн бұрын
I can’t believe the guy who lies, cheats, murders, and kidnaps babies also doesn’t follow the rules.
@captainbat37
@captainbat37 6 күн бұрын
#AskEck why didn't the first order use tie interceptors instead of tie fighters because I thought interceptors were better all round starfighters than the tie fighters and I believe the empire was slowly phasing out the tie fighter for the interceptor
@BoneistJ
@BoneistJ 7 күн бұрын
It seems like the most Sith thing to do is ignore the code.
@Bounty_Hunter_brix
@Bounty_Hunter_brix 6 күн бұрын
#askeck In season 6 episode 1 of TCW. We hear general Tiplee mention a rumor of an anti clone virus. Could this be related to the clone gas Dr. Hemlock uses in the bad batch? We know he knows the emperor and vise versa. Palps could've been funding this off to the side during the clone wars in case somethung happened to the clones, since he was all about contingency plans.
@ultimate_pleb
@ultimate_pleb 4 күн бұрын
Roses are red Like walks the skies Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?
@ezrameraz-lerma6604
@ezrameraz-lerma6604 5 күн бұрын
#askeck What was Anakin's exact immunity during Order 66? It seemed like Tupp's inhibitor chip didn't make him target Anakin when he malfunctioned, and during Order 66, how safe could he have been while leading the clones? Like it's obvious that he's the leader, but he's just another robed person wearing jedi robes and holding a blue lightsaber. Additionally, didn't his own clones recognize him as Anakin? Did he have to order the to excecute Order 66?
@TristanGauthier-oz3wp
@TristanGauthier-oz3wp 6 күн бұрын
I am curious if the gundam universe would survive in the start war galaxy if the solar system is put in the unknown region and it would be one year after the one year war
@MrBazBake
@MrBazBake 6 күн бұрын
Lucas explained it in an interview... two Sith is just what happens when a bunch of backstabbers fight for power. The EU expanded it into doctrine and tried to explain it while George Lucas just shrugged and kept adding a ton of Sith! 😂 His explanation also makes way more sense with the OT. If there's a rule of two why is Vader trying to protect Luke and Palpatine at the same time? He should have let Palpatine take a saber to the face and watched Luke get corrupted and called it a day.
@realquadmoo
@realquadmoo 5 күн бұрын
Hey I have a question what did Vader specifically have against Alderaan to want to blow it up?
@campbellroehrich7146
@campbellroehrich7146 7 күн бұрын
While I believe Palpatine did violate the rule of two, I don't believe leaving Maul alive is one of his many violations! When Maul was cut in half by Kenobi that was it, Palpatine believed Maul was dead and he found Dooku as a placeholder until Anakin was ready. When he discovers Maul is alive and captures him on Mandalore, it's to rout out Mother Talzin. Maul is dead to Sidious, he would never come back as a Sith or even an assassin, he was just to be a tool to end a threat before being cast aside. When Darth Cognus's apprentice Darth Millennial betrayed her to create The Dark Force she didn't even bother to hunt him down and end his cult, which lasted even up to the days of the Empire and I don't think that counts as a violation of the rule of two. Anyway this is my interpretation.
@Ronythereditor
@Ronythereditor 7 күн бұрын
bro is following the rule of me
@mattcat83
@mattcat83 7 күн бұрын
The Rule of Two is stupid, both in and out of lore. Nobody followed it nor should writers respect it.
@monkofbob
@monkofbob 5 күн бұрын
#AskEck What would have been the end goal for a “normal” Sith? Palpatine wants to basically eradicate the Force being used and to live and rule for eternity. As you said in the video, Palpatine thought of himself differently, so, what would have been a normal Sith’s end goal?
@WhoisPersona
@WhoisPersona 6 күн бұрын
The Rule of Two are more like guidelines than actual rules… But seriously the Sith were their own worst enemy. Plotting, backstabbing and paranoia must have been commonplace and don’t must have been difficult to maintain any kind of faction cohesion with multiple Darths running around.
@tatepalmer1997
@tatepalmer1997 7 күн бұрын
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.
@Callmethe-fishy
@Callmethe-fishy 6 күн бұрын
#askeck How did the bothans develop their spy ring and keep it strong during the empire? Love you bro as well
@Lockerus
@Lockerus 6 күн бұрын
It a more what you would call a guideline than an actual rule.
Palpatine's final plan was incredibly messed up.
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