Why Penrose Tiles Never Repeat

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Жыл бұрын

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This video is about a better way to understand Penrose tilings (the famous tilings invented by Roger Penrose that never repeat themselves but still have some kind of order/pattern).
This project was a collaboration with Aatish Bhatia (aatishb.com).
REFERENCES
Explore Penrose and Penrose-like patterns: aatishb.com/patterncollider
Video by Derek Muller/Veritasium about Penrose Patterns: • The Infinite Pattern T...
Music algorithmically generated, algorithm designed by Henry Reich
N.G. de Bruijn’s paper introducing the pentagrid/Penrose idea: www.math.brown.edu/reschwar/M...
De Bruijn, N.G., 1981. Algebraic theory of Penrose’s non-periodic tilings of the plane. Kon. Nederl. Akad. Wetensch. Proc. Ser. A, 43(84), pp.1-7.
Here are some excellent in-depth references on how to construct Penrose Tiles Using the Pentagrid Method:
Penrose Tilings Tied up in Ribbons by David Austin: www.ams.org/publicoutreach/fea...
The Empire Problem in Penrose Tilings by Laura Effinger-Dean: www.cs.williams.edu/~bailey/06...
Pentagrids and Penrose Tilings by Stacy Mowry & Shriya Shukla: web.williams.edu/Mathematics/...
Penrose Tiling by Andrejs Treibergs: www.math.utah.edu/~treiberg/Pe...
Algebraic Theory of Penrose's Non-Periodic Tilings of the Plane by N. G. de Bruijn: www.math.brown.edu/reschwar/M...
Particularly good and helpful, and (we think) an undergrad thesis which is impressive!: www.cs.williams.edu/~bailey/06...
An interesting popular science read on the discovery on quasicrystals and their connection to Penrose Tilings:
The Second Kind of Impossible by Paul Steinhardt: bookshop.org/books/the-second...
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@carykh
@carykh Жыл бұрын
4:25 Wow, the proof of why it never repeats is pretty elegant! It also makes sense why a "tri-grid" (triangular tiling) DOES repeat, because sin(120)/sin(60) = sqrt(3)/2/sqrt(3)/2 = 1/1 = 1, which is rational. That explains why, when you take a ribbon of a triangular tiling, you see the same number of upside-down triangles and rightside-up triangles: it's a 1:1 ratio.
@ikbintom
@ikbintom Жыл бұрын
Maybe on a curved surface, the ratio can be changed to become rational and a pentagonal tiling does repeat
@WildEngineering
@WildEngineering Жыл бұрын
woah nice catch cary :)
@NatLJ
@NatLJ Жыл бұрын
That’s pretty interesting!
@chiken-nugies
@chiken-nugies Жыл бұрын
@TimesByTwo you just did that
@Pearll_.
@Pearll_. Жыл бұрын
Oh hey cary
@McLoelz
@McLoelz Жыл бұрын
I saw a bus seat pattern just a couple of weeks ago and it drove me nuts that the pattern seemed like it should repeat but every time I thought I figured it out there were one or two elements that were off. Thank you for reassuring me that I'm not crazy! And educating me in an entertaining way at the Same time.
@mctooch
@mctooch Жыл бұрын
I saw that pattern in the back of bus seats too. Just awful the things some kids carve in there!
@thefreshest2379
@thefreshest2379 Жыл бұрын
The golden ratio shows up in nature a lot because it is the main part of an efficient packing algorithm. Thanks Numberphiles!
@noshiko5398
@noshiko5398 Жыл бұрын
do you remember which numberphile video that was? i just checked and they have a bunch of videos on the golden ratio
@maxthomas-bland4842
@maxthomas-bland4842 Жыл бұрын
@@noshiko5398 the 'most irrational' number
@noshiko5398
@noshiko5398 Жыл бұрын
@@maxthomas-bland4842 thank you!!!
@veritasium
@veritasium Жыл бұрын
Great explanation Henry!
@Razorcarl
@Razorcarl Жыл бұрын
Omg veritasium
@BlueAppl337
@BlueAppl337 Жыл бұрын
ITS VERITASIUM HIMSELF
@laxyajena4735
@laxyajena4735 Жыл бұрын
What only 3 reply 43 like c'mon
@desi_bhai_
@desi_bhai_ 11 ай бұрын
my favourite youtuber here
@DevLances89
@DevLances89 8 ай бұрын
Bruh only 88 likes that explains why henry doesn't have boring guys in comment sections
@onatic6346
@onatic6346 Жыл бұрын
you know it’s a good day when minutephysics drops some obscure math problems
@rgw5991
@rgw5991 Жыл бұрын
scientists make me sad
@anonymousfish2456
@anonymousfish2456 Жыл бұрын
@@rgw5991 why
@rgw5991
@rgw5991 Жыл бұрын
@@anonymousfish2456 crippling depression IDK?
@calanholmes6139
@calanholmes6139 Жыл бұрын
@@rgw5991 1a
@anonymousfish2456
@anonymousfish2456 Жыл бұрын
@@rgw5991 why do scientists make you sad?
@TesserId
@TesserId Жыл бұрын
I notice that they're said to be _quasiperiodic_ and not nonperiodic. This is the thought that came to mind when you started laying out the _parallel ribbons,_ because they definitely have at least some periodic nature.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Жыл бұрын
It's actually not so easy to put the difference between _quasi-periodic_ and _not at all periodic_ in rigid terms.
@npip99
@npip99 Жыл бұрын
It's quasiperiodic because a given particular sequence of tiles along a ribbon does repeat over and over again. However, its repetitions occur at irregular intervals, and is overall still non-periodic as well. It's a bit different than a sequence of integers in which there is no repetition at all, that wouldn't have the feature of quasiperiodic.
@cheshire1
@cheshire1 Жыл бұрын
@@npip99 if you keep generating random integers you will find every finite sequence infinitely often, so your definition would make random numbers quasiperiodic.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Жыл бұрын
@Artem Down He didn't said that the sequence of integers is random. Could simply be a strictly increasing sequence of integers; then you definitely have no repetition.
@kazedcat
@kazedcat Жыл бұрын
That is the difference. Quasiperiodic will not give you all possible sequence. Some sequences are guaranteed not to appear in quasi periodic sequence. Like primes. Primes are not random it is guaranteed that no primes will be divisible by 6 or 10 or 15.
@davidtitanium22
@davidtitanium22 Жыл бұрын
Finally i understand why it never repeats, veritasium made an interesting showcase but i never understood why it never repeats
@iwanttwoscoops
@iwanttwoscoops Жыл бұрын
I still don't get why it doesn't repeat. Could someone help? edit: oh my God lol, I thought the video ended at 3:15 when he mentioned the friend's website. Too used to clicking away from sponsors :p
@msclrhd
@msclrhd Жыл бұрын
@@iwanttwoscoops I don't have an exact proof, but know the general gist of how it works. With the square and triangular grids, notice how all the intersections of lines all meet at a point, and that the spokes radiating out of that point are all regular and form a neat tiling pattern. Then compare that with the pentagrid, where only some lines meet each other, and you get groups of "near misses" where several lines almost (but not quite) meet. -- It's that almost but not quite meeting that makes the pattern non-repeating. The number of spokes S is 2 times the number of parallel line sets L, so S=4 for square (L=2) grids, S=6 for triangualar (L=3) grids, and S=10 for penta (L=5) grids. The angle between two closest parallel line sets is 360/S (90 for square, 60 for triangular, 36 for pentagrids). Note how for pentagrids, Henry (in this video at 1:50) notes that the lines intersect at either 36 degrees or 72 degrees -- that is, when a line intersects at 72 degrees (2x36) there is one line missing. I suspect that this also plays a part in figuring out why the tiling can't repeat. The only bit left really to prove (which is the part I'm not sure on) is proving that you can't make it so that everywhere in a pentagrid where at least 2 lines meet, that there is at least one of those points that does not have 10 spokes (or stated another way, has at least 1 angle between the connecting lines that is 72 degrees).
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache Жыл бұрын
@@iwanttwoscoops Rather than clicking away just press L (forward 10 seconds) 6 times to jump forward by a minute. If the sponsorship is still going just press 3 times more, since *most* sponsors are between 60 and 90 seconds iirc. If you actually look at the video buffer rather than the recommended videos list you might sometimes see that not only is the video only halfway through, but, for some channels, they actually go through the trouble of chaptering the ads ie the video literally has the ads' beginning and end timestamped, and marked on the video bar. Lastly, there's also the video hotspots on videos which mark the most replayed portion of a video, and *sometimes* that just so happens to be after the ad. Hope this helps!
@lauriethefish2470
@lauriethefish2470 Жыл бұрын
I love how the music is algorithmically generated. Really fits the video!
@finnlyonn237
@finnlyonn237 Жыл бұрын
It does sound pretty horrible tho
@Glendragon
@Glendragon Жыл бұрын
@@finnlyonn237 and very annoying, I couldn't focus on the content
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Жыл бұрын
@@Glendragon Because it kinda repeats, but never actually does *brain boom*
@nahometesfay1112
@nahometesfay1112 Жыл бұрын
@@Glendragon I actually liked it, but I can definitely see how it could be annoying or distracting.
@SgtSupaman
@SgtSupaman Жыл бұрын
@@nahometesfay1112 , it would have been alright if it hadn't been so loud.
@phyllostomus
@phyllostomus Жыл бұрын
Are you familiar with quasicrystals? They are similar to normal crystals, but instead of having a normal repeating unit cell their atoms are-you guessed it-penrose tiled More or less). They were long predicted and made in the lab, but only recently have been found in nature. Could make an interesting video!
@DiowE
@DiowE Жыл бұрын
I will check it out. [DiowE]
@Alexagrigorieff
@Alexagrigorieff Жыл бұрын
They got the Nobel Prize for quasicrystals
@Edders666
@Edders666 Жыл бұрын
check out the book 'the second kind of impossible'
@anon6975
@anon6975 Жыл бұрын
Hey! That is part of the video where I first heard about this (Veritasium's, 2 years ago) Personally, I thought this had a more elegant mathematical proof but touched on fewer outside implications(Not really a fault of minutephysics, though. Just different styles)
@saiganeshmanda4904
@saiganeshmanda4904 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I'm really into this now. Could you perhaps share any resources on this? I would love to see how far the research has come on this subject...
@stoatystoat174
@stoatystoat174 Жыл бұрын
The Pattern Collider is fun and free and doesnt ask for any email of details or push cookies at you. Much appreciated Aatish. The 6-Fold Stepped Plane (3:27 bottom left) looks like a marching crowd to me. To make it select 6 Fold Symmetry and slide the Disorder to the max right. Cheers Mr Henry
@irrelevant_noob
@irrelevant_noob 4 ай бұрын
Used to have that pattern on a rug a long time ago, it always mesmerized me into checking how quickly i can switch between seeing a pattern of stairs going "up" in one direction vs in another... or seeing the "inner" bits as concave vs convex. :-) PS Had no idea those were the terms i'll eventually use to describe the options, for that kiddo-aged me it was just "bulgy" vs "holey". ^^
@jhawkingsgrey
@jhawkingsgrey Жыл бұрын
this video makes me blame my old geometry teacher for not making class this fun
@DanielBParada
@DanielBParada Жыл бұрын
I would’ve killed myself if my 8th grade geometry teacher busted out a grid with 5 axises like I wasn’t already struggling with two lmao
@spiderplant
@spiderplant Жыл бұрын
Largely it's because teachers are paid $50k a year to cover a completely new topic every day on top of crowd control, documentation, assignment creation, grading for up to 120 students every other night, and assessments. A content creator maybe needs to make a video every couple weeks at least, can have a team, and can devote most of their time for just that one project.
@jhawkingsgrey
@jhawkingsgrey Жыл бұрын
@@spiderplant yes obviously and yeah teachers should be paid more although i don’t know that everything you said is quite true
@spiderplant
@spiderplant Жыл бұрын
@@jhawkingsgrey As a former educator of 10 years, there's actually more i didn't bother to mention, such as meetings, frequent trainings, conferences, procuring supplies, writing emails, etc.
@jhawkingsgrey
@jhawkingsgrey Жыл бұрын
@@spiderplant oh maybe consider moving to new jersey i have friends who are teachers and my parents are teachers and i know they don’t have to create their own assignments because that’s normally supplied by curriculum director, they don’t have grading that often, etc etc
@VJDugan
@VJDugan Жыл бұрын
The reason why the tiling is aperiodic can be seen more readily when observing the cut-projection method for constructing it. The Penrose tiling can be seen as a projection of the 5D integer lattice, Z^5, to a specially chosen 2D subspace -- the squares closest to this plane project onto the plane as rhombuses. The a-periodicity comes from the fact that Z^5 is a regular lattice and the 2D plane lies at irrational angles to the Z^5 lattice root vectors.
@StackCanary
@StackCanary Жыл бұрын
Hey it's Dugan Hammock!👋I was just watching your QGR presentation on this very subject a few days ago. I agree, I prefer the cut-projection method for quasicrystal construction but it's neat to see the multi-grid method mentioned here. Quasi-order is so fascinating, especially when investigating physical uses. The fact that quasicrystals can inherit symmetries from their higher-dimensional parent crystals (as in Fibonacci) is intriguing. There was a great paper earlier this year about using a Fibonacci-based quasi-periodic drive system to stabilize a quantum computer against several error modes via emergent dynamics (DOI 10.48550/arXiv.2107.09676 for preprint). I think I'm quasi-obsessed but I'm still trying to wrap my head around some of the QGR stuff you work on. 🤯
@VJDugan
@VJDugan Жыл бұрын
@@StackCanary Thank you! 👋 I should note that the multi-grid method allows for a much wider variety of tilings than the cut-project method. Only certain special arrangements of multi-grids can be re-contextualized into a cut-project scheme from a regular lattice. Also there are cut-project schemes which can not be re-contextualized as multi-grid constructions. It is also possible to a cut-project of an arbitrary honeycomb or well-behaved tiling -- it's is possible to take a cut-project of a quasicrystal tiling to get a more different quasicrystal tiling in a smaller dimension.
@ReasonMakes
@ReasonMakes Жыл бұрын
My brain exploded trying to read this lol. Sounds awesome but I have no idea where I would even begin with something like that.
@astr0nox
@astr0nox Жыл бұрын
@VJDugan I am not a mathematician, but what you wrote gave me an intuition to why there are no solutions in radicals to the quintic (or higher order) equation (i.e. Abel's impossibility theorem).
@haipingcao2212
@haipingcao2212 Жыл бұрын
@@VJDugan ΩΩΩΩ
@YoshiMario69
@YoshiMario69 Жыл бұрын
Art and Math are best friends. By themselves a lot of people are intimidated by them, yet they can help explain each other and they both in turn become approachable for everyone ❤❤❤
@MrDarren690
@MrDarren690 5 ай бұрын
For sure! Apparently a lot of visual art employs the golden ratio, a mathematical constant
@grayaj23
@grayaj23 Жыл бұрын
That was simple and intuitive. And my respect for Penrose only increases the more I know about his work.
@rashiro7262
@rashiro7262 Жыл бұрын
I watched Veritasium's video about Penrose tiles 2 years ago and I couldn't understand why it's never repeating, but your video made it very clear! Thank you!
@orstorzsok6708
@orstorzsok6708 Жыл бұрын
I suppose - as I remember - that the aim of that video was not to prove this attribute.
@HershO.
@HershO. Жыл бұрын
4:49 This was a cool proof! Pretty much the highlight of the video. Also nice to see minutephysics drop.
@gimmytomas
@gimmytomas Жыл бұрын
This is the perfect kind of math/science video we need. Thank you. I wish other channels were as good as yours.
@LeoStaley
@LeoStaley Жыл бұрын
Please do one on the newly discovered a periodic monotile
@Manabender
@Manabender Жыл бұрын
I opened the Pattern Collider and, for some reason, my first experiment was to play with 3-fold symmetry. Then I shifted the pattern variable down to 0 and got a very nice result that CGP Grey would like. Hexagons are the Bestagons.
@petersmythe6462
@petersmythe6462 Жыл бұрын
I asked some people about generating noise by stacking waves together at different angles and they said it would end up repeating. I think this really proves that even with very regular angles, frequencies, and amplitudes, that definitely doesn't happen.
@pirmelephant
@pirmelephant Жыл бұрын
Not sure what you mean by angles, but if you want to generate noise, you could do it by overlaying two repeating sound snippets, one with duration 1s and one with sqrt(2)s. This will never repeat because sqrt(2) is irrational. Of course sqrt(2) can't be computed to infinite precision, so it will repeat at some point. But you can delay that point by taking multiple sound snippets where for all durations t_i it is true that t_i/t_j is an irrational number. So for example, 1 s, sqrt(2) s, phi s, pi s etc.
@tonylee1667
@tonylee1667 Жыл бұрын
@@pirmelephant probably meant different phases
@jhgvvetyjj6589
@jhgvvetyjj6589 Жыл бұрын
Noise is supposed to have uniform frequency distribution so even if it is not periodic sound it can still have non-uniform frequencies.
@Uathankicks
@Uathankicks Жыл бұрын
Moorish tilework, that should be pointed out for anyone wanting to learn more. There is also sacred geometry involved beyond the flower of life/golden ratio. In real life the patterns continue across multiple planes(walls and ceilings). It’s incredibly breaktaking to witness in real life. I believe there were other cultures who knew how to create irregular patterns, but the Moors made massive rooms with this stuff.
@DaellusKnights
@DaellusKnights Жыл бұрын
Penrose is one of my favorites. I only learned about all this when Derek over at Veritasium did his video on this. BUT! I never knew you could scale it up with additional sets! This is absolutely GOD-TIER because I'm planning to tile my living room with penrose tiles, and you just opened up a whole plethora of new tile designs for me? I made my own based on the pentagon, like Penrose did. Now I have to EXPERIMENT!! THANK YOU!! 😻😍💖👍 Sidenote: previously I knew of penrose via his diagrams related to space-time. So many reasons to be in awe of the dude!
@adamlaceky8127
@adamlaceky8127 Жыл бұрын
Go back to the beginning, with the green & blue tiles. If you cross your eyes, like it's a stereoscopic image, you can see very well defined straight lines following the pentagrid. Line up two areas with identical patterns, and the pentagrid pops out like it's floating above the Penrose tiles.
@JosiahKeller
@JosiahKeller Жыл бұрын
That is so rad!
@alvarobyrne
@alvarobyrne Жыл бұрын
not only the video but the references!!!! well done!
@hankcohen3419
@hankcohen3419 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Super cool. I've been interested in Penrose tilings for some time but never knew the underlying structure. I want to use them for marquetry patterns. Now the Pattern Collider gives me a lot more options.
@punkkap
@punkkap Жыл бұрын
Incredible vue work by Mr. Aatish. I will be reading the source of this! Thanks for the video Henry!
@TheFinagle
@TheFinagle Ай бұрын
I love how you acknowledged your explanation doesn't meet the requirements of a proof, but still gives us enough baseline information to follow why without needing a math degree to follow along.
@arcanine_enjoyer
@arcanine_enjoyer Жыл бұрын
I like the background audio, it sounds fitting to the topic of something that never repeats itself
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Жыл бұрын
Interesting things happen to the (4:29) ratio as the grid goes from a 3-grid, to a 4-grid, to a 5-grid, and so on. To see it graphed out, paste this text string 3gaxkag510 into the desmos calculator address bar.
@OneTrueBadShoe
@OneTrueBadShoe Жыл бұрын
I already knew about this, but I enjoyed the way this video presented it.
@cookingforsingles
@cookingforsingles Жыл бұрын
Super fascinating! I really like this video! It reminds me of my days studying computer graphics!
@ZacharyVogt
@ZacharyVogt Жыл бұрын
The premise of this video exactly aligned with my experience. I believed this conclusion because sources I trusted said so, but it was deeply unsatisfying, because their arguments never truly made me understand WHY we KNEW the pattern couldn't repeat. THIS video finally scratched that itch. From unrelated concepts, I eventually absorbed how different rational and irrational are, and new neurons have formed in my brain to link Penrose to my brain's continent of math knowledge.
@truestopguardatruestop164
@truestopguardatruestop164 Жыл бұрын
I just read yesterday Penrose’s Wikipedia page and I wondered what that pattern is, but skipped because I was interested in other things. Hugely interesting!
@Dudleymiddleton
@Dudleymiddleton Жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff! I quite liked the marimba music playing in the background! :)
@sarajamal799
@sarajamal799 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I was thinking about these patterns the other day! thank you for these amazing videos!
@CatFish107
@CatFish107 Жыл бұрын
*Keanu voice* whoa. Thanks for this and the link. Going to look into ways of adapting these geometries into rhythms. Similar, yet endlessly changing patterns is the feeling I want to put in my sounds.
@heartofdawn2341
@heartofdawn2341 Жыл бұрын
The binary numbers at the start are also non-periodic. If you count from zero up and put all of the numbers in a single row 0110111001011101111000... You can get an infinite number of repeating segments of any size, but since each number is larger than the previous, the pattern never repeats Likewise if you do it with decimal numbers you'll eventually hit 123456789, which is a repeat of the first nine numbers, but it's not periodic as the next number doesn't start with 10..., its 123456790
@B3Band
@B3Band Жыл бұрын
No shit. That was the point of showing it as an example
@Konchok_Dawa
@Konchok_Dawa Жыл бұрын
@@B3Band you don't have to shoot someone down for sharing their thoughts, we're all here to contemplate these things
@Konchok_Dawa
@Konchok_Dawa Жыл бұрын
Im not sure if i understand what you mean by 123456789...do you mean for irrational numbers? Bc you can definitely have 123456789 repeat in an infinite decimal, and that *would* be periodic
@suit1337
@suit1337 Жыл бұрын
​@@Konchok_Dawa no, he means natural numbers (including zero) expressed in decimal form if you write out all decimal numbers in decimal form, you can always add a pattern, that never occured before for example 0123456789 has no repeated pattern you can co on 01231467891011121314151317181920 if you pick a random digit from form the list, it might occur elsewhere - lets say 1, which occurs multiple times locally (like for example stars in the pentrose pattern) you can then extend this pattern by another random digit (before or after) and you are less likely to find this pattern - lets say 12 - we can find den squence 12 multiple times in our list, 2 times to be exact now add another digit, 121 - this is there exactly one time obviously we can extend this sequence by adding all numbers with 3 digits to have a list von 012345678910111213 ... 999 to find, that 121 occurs multiple times now at least at the edge of 12 to 13 like before and obviously when adding 121 so when we add another random digit number to the list, we might not find it in our existing list - like the penrose pattern, when you select your pattern to search big enought, it will be unique
@SaveSoilSaveSoil
@SaveSoilSaveSoil Жыл бұрын
This is helpful! Thank you very much! Six minutes of my life well spent!
@lilabluestars85
@lilabluestars85 Жыл бұрын
I didn't even know about Penrose tiles, but this video explains it beautifully! Thank you 🙂
@Pouk3D
@Pouk3D Жыл бұрын
Thank you, you made me understand better something that I always wondered about.
@TGears314
@TGears314 Жыл бұрын
It’s a wonderful day when minute physics makes a 5+ minute video!
@WebGrrrlToni
@WebGrrrlToni 25 күн бұрын
Thanks you so much for creating this super informative video!!❤❤
@johanngambolputty5351
@johanngambolputty5351 Жыл бұрын
Damn, I have been playing with minesweeper on voronoi tilings, but using penrose tiling might actually be much better :) I need to try to generate some now
@nahometesfay1112
@nahometesfay1112 Жыл бұрын
Where can I try that? It sounds so cool!
@johanngambolputty5351
@johanngambolputty5351 Жыл бұрын
@@nahometesfay1112 I tried linking once or twice, but I think youtube removed it. Anyway I've put it on itch, its TileGame by JohannGambolputty, may not appear in search right now though...
@Stevobulfer
@Stevobulfer Жыл бұрын
Hey, was the background music also quasi periodic?? Nice touch! I love it!!
@kevinotalvares
@kevinotalvares Жыл бұрын
Wow the visuals were amazing!
@Royce-Music
@Royce-Music Жыл бұрын
The background music also Quasi-Periodic. Awesome little detail! It's so funny to listen to when you actually pay attention to it haha
@ForTheOmnissiah
@ForTheOmnissiah Жыл бұрын
4:33 the fact that it happened to be the Golden Ratio blew me away. It's awesome that mathematics and science go down some path of research and in the end find something within that is known/discovered.
@nodroGnotlrahC
@nodroGnotlrahC Жыл бұрын
Fascinated by the algorithmically generated music, because it bears some resemblances to pieces I have made - (see "Notes From The Analytical Engine" by Beat Frequency on Bandcamp) - please can you post some details about the algorithm.
@PvblivsAelivs
@PvblivsAelivs Жыл бұрын
I like the darts and kites better. But, the way I have always understood it, given any tiling, you can break the pieces into smaller pieces to create a new tiling or you can build the pieces into larger pieces to make a new tiling. (Well, the tiling might not be new. Some build up into copies of themselves.) But the ratio of the pieces can still be shown to be the golden ratio.
@JellyMonster1
@JellyMonster1 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen. Brilliant!
@LeoStaley
@LeoStaley Жыл бұрын
If you liked this, you'll love veritasium's video on the Penrose tiles.
@mortimerlojka5912
@mortimerlojka5912 Жыл бұрын
Wow... By far, the best and most brain-melting video I've seen in ages... !!
@op4000exe
@op4000exe Жыл бұрын
Dunno if it's just me, but the music in the background is just a little too loud for me to properly hear what you're saying without trying too hard. I do however get that it's essentially an example of a non-repeating pattern which is very similar, but I don't know if the video would come across a little better if there was a bit larger difference in how loud your voice and the music is. Though I suppose people might be less likely to notice the music being different if it was the same, but oh well. Great video nonetheless! Edit: Spaced out the statement a little to make it easier to read.
@rupert7565
@rupert7565 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. The music is a little to loud here.
@ben_burnes
@ben_burnes Жыл бұрын
I agree too, the music was really obnoxious in this one. Still a super cool video, just... that music isn't a good fit.
@KatyaAbc575
@KatyaAbc575 Жыл бұрын
I didnt even notice there was music in the background. I guess different people have different perception.
@AaronOfMpls
@AaronOfMpls Жыл бұрын
It was fine for me; I didn't really notice it much. ...And hmm, I'll have to go back and listen again, to check if the music is quasi-periodic itself. 🙂
@murmurmerman
@murmurmerman Жыл бұрын
I'm a musician and tend to fixate on musical elements... and I barely noticed the music. Maybe the balance got changed in the 16 hours since your comment got posted?
@therealEmpyre
@therealEmpyre Жыл бұрын
For quite some time, I have had this hypothesis that maybe a Penrose tiling does repeat, but you have to go so far to find it that it appears that it never repeats. Now, you have shown me why it is impossible for it to repeat.
@jty9631
@jty9631 2 ай бұрын
I like shirts with patterns, and I think these penrose patterns would look pretty dope.
@WhiskeySour89
@WhiskeySour89 Жыл бұрын
This is great, love the channel
@ooferdoot2429
@ooferdoot2429 Жыл бұрын
This helped me understand the grid in dreamscaper and why it always seemed to never make sense it's actually a pentagrid
@ThePiMan0903
@ThePiMan0903 Жыл бұрын
Nice video minutephysics!
@AndorianBlues
@AndorianBlues Жыл бұрын
Loved the music in this one
@nataliafidan4222
@nataliafidan4222 Жыл бұрын
This channel is educating me Who's smol 10 years using mamas account And it's insane so thank you!
@ajg4Qjg5F4jdrPo
@ajg4Qjg5F4jdrPo Жыл бұрын
Perfect illustrative music there ;)
@RazzyRyan
@RazzyRyan Ай бұрын
I'm redecorating my bathroom soon, and I feel inspired
@idolgin776
@idolgin776 7 ай бұрын
This is really cool. It surprised me that the golden ratio would come out of this pattern.
@jakobthomsen1595
@jakobthomsen1595 2 ай бұрын
Nice! To further understand aperiodic tilings, how about a video on the cut-and-project method? Also it might be a good idea to mention inflation (in the context of tilings).
@danpatterson8009
@danpatterson8009 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation.
@brianarsuaga5008
@brianarsuaga5008 Жыл бұрын
I will absolutely accept more minute-physics-math videos.
@grandexandi
@grandexandi Жыл бұрын
Oh my god, content like this is what makes the internet great!
@gaprilis
@gaprilis Жыл бұрын
Such patterns are not only a mathematical conception but exist in nature, in the materials called quasicrystals, with atoms that never repeat. This discovery awarded a Nobel price to itz finder.
@ferminleon
@ferminleon Жыл бұрын
I thought the music was going wild on this one, then saw it was algorithmically generated, fun stuff.
@ferminleon
@ferminleon Жыл бұрын
@Artem Down Well, the result to me is definitely musical, but just wonky enough to grab my attention
@nikolaimikuszeit3204
@nikolaimikuszeit3204 Жыл бұрын
A lot of math. I like the related aperiodic pattern that one gets as interference pattern of pentagon (heptagon, etc) corners.
@adityaprakash5093
@adityaprakash5093 Жыл бұрын
Amazing! Thank you!!
@olorin4317
@olorin4317 Жыл бұрын
I have almost no idea what's going on, but this still has to be one of the best ads I've ever seen.
@Hardrock1a
@Hardrock1a 7 ай бұрын
Remember when this was the ultimate in tiling? Now they have found “the hat”, “the specter”.
@shellingford9941
@shellingford9941 Жыл бұрын
interesting vidéo, thanks for your work ^^
@jonathan.gasser
@jonathan.gasser Жыл бұрын
This video was REALLY GOOD
@jchan1e
@jchan1e Жыл бұрын
I love that the soundtrack is also quasi-periodic
@bvierville1
@bvierville1 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff! Thank you!
@linewizard
@linewizard Жыл бұрын
Please do a video on hyperbolic geometry and horocycles!!
@chandniku1770
@chandniku1770 Жыл бұрын
I think this is yet another time to remind people that Hexagon are the bestagons!
@josh34578
@josh34578 Жыл бұрын
What would the resulting tiling look like if you only used 3 of the 5 sets of parallel lines in the pentagrid?
@frojojo5717
@frojojo5717 Жыл бұрын
Gaps in your tiling?
@Shreyy17
@Shreyy17 Жыл бұрын
Typing something to find the answer
@Hendrik_F
@Hendrik_F Жыл бұрын
Then it wouldn't be a pentagrid anymore, wouldn't it? It would be a grid made of 3 sets of parallel lines, like a triangular grid. But how would the tiling look like?
@quanhoang2547
@quanhoang2547 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video!
@dogdrovenorth
@dogdrovenorth Жыл бұрын
You had me at "patches that are perfect matches".
@JNCressey
@JNCressey Жыл бұрын
if I start with the regular square tessellation tiling, then replace one square with an arbitrary asymmetrical design, I also get a tiling that doesn't have global translational symmetry.
@ranjanjoshi3454
@ranjanjoshi3454 Жыл бұрын
Thanks insightful
@frankt.9836
@frankt.9836 Жыл бұрын
thanks to you for this video is awsome ❤❤❤❤ Greetings from Germany
@bugoobiga
@bugoobiga 10 ай бұрын
great video, subscribed!
@Fallkhar
@Fallkhar Жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@slash196
@slash196 Жыл бұрын
Penrose tiling touches on so many fundamental questions of life, beauty, and meaning, that it's kind of incredible.
@dntfrthreapr
@dntfrthreapr Жыл бұрын
The rationality of this blows my mind!
@morkovija
@morkovija Жыл бұрын
this blew my mind in a non-repeating pattern
@morkovija
@morkovija Жыл бұрын
@Artem Down does it work for people with dementia too? Much easier for them to reach base mindstate
@sabinrawr
@sabinrawr Жыл бұрын
I was following along pretty well and all was good. Then, out of nowhere, phi appeared. Suddenly, the world made sense.
@nebulan
@nebulan Жыл бұрын
That site is way too fun. I wanna take black and white ones to play in a coloring app
@bralex6669
@bralex6669 Жыл бұрын
minute... maths? Love it.
@angelodc1652
@angelodc1652 Жыл бұрын
Here's my interpretation on why they never repeat 1) Start with 5 wide tiles connected by a corner. 2) Surround the shape with narrow tiles, by filling every 216 angle with 144 angles, making a decagons 3) Surround it completely with wide tiles, alternating between filling 144 angles with two 108 angles, and three 72 angles. 4) Repeat step 2 5) Repeat step 3, filling 252 angles with 2 72 angles, and filling the sets of three 144 angles by putting 3 72 angles in the middle ones. 6) Repeat steps 4 and 5 ad inf. Since Each band of wide tiles is surrounded both inside and out with narrow tiles, the only time when 5 wide tiles get together is in the center.
@irrelevant_noob
@irrelevant_noob 4 ай бұрын
But... the bands don't need to be complete... As can be seen at 1:10, there are plenty of "5 wide tiles connected by a corner" shapes in there, it's not just a single one in the whole plane. 🤔
@Robpod999
@Robpod999 Жыл бұрын
More of this plz!
@ArDeeMee
@ArDeeMee Жыл бұрын
Too much maths! 😁 The explanation won‘t stick, but it was sure interesting to listen to! And the tilings are just gorgeous. I‘ll definitely save this in case I need it further down the line.
@jamesblackburn8110
@jamesblackburn8110 Жыл бұрын
BRB gonna draw up a Penrose-crawl for my next D&D session
@anteeklund4159
@anteeklund4159 Жыл бұрын
Oh I would love to have a penrose pattern on a t shirt!
@hotfightinghistory9224
@hotfightinghistory9224 Жыл бұрын
This would make a fantastic core concept for a a sci-fi / horror game or story or otherwise :)
@nerdynautilus5373
@nerdynautilus5373 Жыл бұрын
Patches that are perfect matches is my new favorite rhyme
@jasoncrow6048
@jasoncrow6048 Жыл бұрын
Lovely Video!
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