Why Peter McKinnon Is BAD For Film Photography

[@andyemmett9930]

We can only hope that a small amount of his influence could go towards keeping film companies making film

[@user-co6ww2cm9k]

​@@__Mr.White__ you are unnecessary we shall forbid you as well

[@denislussier4755]

ok and you think digital photography is eco friendly wake up just the lithium battery cause more harm to our ecosystems, yes film photography is not all good but i think that if you look at the company usage of chemical change, the end of very bad film for the ecosystems like Kodak64 and other and how we has user make more eco friendly choice. @@__Mr.White__

[@Roman_4x5]

​@@__Mr.White__tell us how you are going to buy lithium powered car to save environment. I am using +20y old cameras, while all new photographers are buying new model every couple years. People like you should be forbidden...

[@Roman_4x5]

Unfortunately EPA is banning some chemicals while are completely OK with the chemical spill that caused worse environmental harm than entire film industry for its entirety... but you won't see any tree hugger fighting with government about that...

[@mattdayphoto]

Hey man! Really appreciate the shout and kind words, glad you’ve enjoyed the channel. 🤝

[@Overexposed1]

Long time fan, keep up the good work!

[@Kevins_Camera]

The you g father of film photographers 🫡 Daddy Matty we love you man. Overexposed you're awesome too man, been watching since your channel was way smaller. I hope you both never stop.

[@jzayas5698]

I WILL NEVER ABANDON YOU FOR A SHILL YOU HEAR ME MATT

[@AnalogueDiaries]

As a female film photographer, and as a photographer in general, I do not get the bro attitude lol, thus not watching those type of channels anyways 😂 Yeah, Peter can sit on top of the search, but there are other creators that will get pushed by the algorithm anyways if their video is relevant no matter the sub count. Another thought, when big youtuber promotes film photography it might spark an interest in their audience to try it as well, thus exposing other film photography channels to that said audience (not many probably will stay because film photography is not easy), and that actually can be good

[@musicmaestro88]

Good points. You're not missing much on the "bro" attitudes... trust me. LOL. Pete is his own brand - but he hasn't affected the way I shoot - or what I shoot. Was shooting film before PM - and I'll prob still be shooting film once he moves on. :) | @freshouttafocus

[@jameswhitney4659]

His best friend Matti was just gifted an x100v by fujifilm. He reviewed it and declared it the best camera he owns after 1 week. I used to love these guys, but now I just want them to stay away from the photography communities I love.

[@danigonzalez4299]

Yep. Me too. But since long (if not that was their goal since minute 1 which I guess it was) they are sell-outs. Matti was veeeery boring at times when traveling and later has been tedious to me. So I unfollowed him years ago. It's just not interesting. His brother was more true, to me. Yet it's been ages since I watched his content. They are trying to be products of mass consumption and now they are big F1 fans and trying to get involved there. I am willing not to happen, as I have been a fan of that sport since mid 80s and we don't need a legion of fans coming from those two. Plus I don't look forward to have them on the service roads. It is very hard for me to get a media pass for F1 and I do sometimes, imagine if it's a new trend with those two and their fans (and some video guys there are huge PM fans and have all his super expensive products). So, I just hope it stays like that.

[@brianroberts9457]

I have to agree. I had to unfollow Matti cause his videos just started to feel fake and contrived. I’m almost to that point with Peter. I want to like the guy but it’s come to a point where it doesn’t matter what he does, so many of his followers gush over it. And they are consistently getting free items sent to them, free trips, access that nobody else would get. It gets a bit tiresome to watch

[@Veli1337]

I unsubscribed when he was obviously sponsored by canon, and reviewed the new EOS R5. The cam could just take 60fps 4k vids and he talked about that this could be "a challenge" to get more creative... not pointing out that this was a major flaw for this type of cam

[@jzayas5698]

I totally agree. I used to watch their videos. But at one point they just became constant shills and overhypers. I remember they worked together to get a studio. Once it was finished, Peter decided to look for a studio of his own. He worked on it for months, and once it was finished he said something like it was too big or something like that so left to another studio and so on. He is just on a constant hype about things and it is kind of annoying/exhausting to watch. And then he also became a constant shill for garbage. Every video was him kind of bragging about his lifestyle and selling you the latest stupid unnecessary coin, or leather keychain, or filter, or whatever the flavor of the month was. So I stopped watching about 3 or 4 years ago and now I find out a lot of people think like me.

[@lukasvanderlende]

I agree, I felt the same excitement when he bought a Leica SL2-S since that’s the camera I use and create content around (along with film). Then he jumps in, has the best lenses for it immediately and says “I don’t think this is a viable professional camera” shocking because of his relationship with canon that he would say that.

[@mattiascastillo9458]

The sad truth is that the online photography community is mostly occupied with mere picture taking and gear, not PHOTOGRAPHY. There are some incredible channels I watch that cover more than just surface level, yet they are tiny in size. I recently, after years of waiting, got into film photography. I adore it, truly. But I don't make enough money to shoot it a lot, and gear purchases are sparse. Sadly, saving for a particular lens or camera sees that gear appreciating in price faster than I can save for it. It is difficult not to over stretch myself and panic buy equipment that I know will only go up in price. :(

[@directedbyabdullah]

Can you link some of those tiny KZbin channels?

[@bryanchristophe5419]

@@directedbyabdullahI would also like to know, those types of channels can be hard to find

[@SPECTRA890]

asking for two please @@directedbyabdullah

[@szubal]

As an amateur photographer, Peter used to be a must-watch content. But, recently, his content has moved to the out orbit. Maybe I sensed, without knowing, some of the things you mentioned. I am gravitating to film because I inherited my mom's Brownie Reflex. A few repairs and I ready to go :)

[@Overexposed1]

Best of luck!!!

[@Ragnovlod]

Now that is cool. Have fun with that.

[@amhazey]

Who even watches McKinnon anymore, apart from maybe kids on the platform who just found the channel? I doubt any serious photographer above the age of 20 actually finds his content relevant and interesting. He is a content creator in 2024, and his content is supposed to be entertaining and engaging for views only. He started off as a tutorial guy on KZbin, teaching useful skills (thumbs up), but nowadays it's more about money. His ideas are running out, and he is trying to keep himself relevant since this is his career, which makes sense-you have to provide and pay your bills, which I fully understand. Unfortunately or fortunately, he has influence, but seriously, who even watches McKinnon's VLOG channel anymore especially if you are a serious photog or just seriously enjoying the hobby.

[@davidthefat]

Peter’s channel has long since transitioned from a photography channel to a Peter McKinnon channel where he’s he brand. Not sure I agree with you 100% on your video, I feel it will be the gateway for people to find more creators online by seeing him do film photography. He’s not making any Film Photography 101 videos, so I doubt it will be blind leading the blind. Not defending Pete, but he isn’t making videos about photography, but just him, who happens to do photography.

[@JeffBourke]

He is a Canon Camera Salesman dressed up as a KZbinr.

[@DennisK47]

I might have a pretty cynical take, but I feel like PM and his various copycats aren't even photography content at all, just ads masquerading as content. 80% of the videos are just slow-mo 120fps b-roll shots of products he's no doubt being paid to use/given for free, but isn't verbally mentioning/calling out his ties to these companies. I have nothing against this kind of content, I just recognize it for what it is, and refuse to watch it.

[@Overexposed1]

Based take, tbh. Thanks for watching.

[@DennisK47]

@@Overexposed1 Thanks for making the content you do btw. I never shoot film and have no intent to start, but I think I enjoy film photography content because it's one of the few genres where it's rarely about the gear, and more about going out and making some beautiful images. Keep up the good work.

[@williams1075]

This video came up when I was looking into film photography. I am a digital landscape photographer, and your video resonated to me. Especially your exhaustion with photography influencers. Photography was always a hobby for me, but I really started taking it seriously 5 years ago ( still consider myself new ). I am a student of youtube university, and learned from several youtube landscape photographers. It seems that I am not the only one though, because the platform is now being flooded by "landscape KZbinrs" who churn out videos of the same subjects. They literally all look the same, hiking b-roll, stop, this is my composition, "if this is good, here is my final image", cue gentle unrecognizable melody, zoom out photo effect, then "subscribe and share". The only way to tell if they are established is by follower count, and if they are pitching MPB or Squarespace. The worst is the Luminar ad campaigns. It is really getting bad, and I don't see an end to it. Landscape photography is notoriously hard to make money from, so it quickly becomes the plan to "blow up" on youtube. (we all know how that goes) So even the "established" landscape photographers will jump on the sponsorships for $, so get ready for 2 or 3 minutes of a video vomiting "squarespace" praise. So sorry for the vent, but film photographers are not the only one feeling pain right now. Even though I suspect that your pain may be a little more chronic.

[@joemalone7385]

Couldn't agree more!

[@builtbytitan]

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think I agree 100%. When I first started watching film videos in the early days of Vuhlandes, Grainydays, etc - it was so light and fun. I watched the recent Peter ones where he only got a couple shots and I thought that was very realistic of what film was like just getting into it. I got the m11 and been shooting it for a year…got the film bug and bought an m6. Ended up missing a roll, missing shots, etc and could relate to that video. Nowadays, I see film makers making videos bashing other film makers, people saying what you can’t take pictures of…no more gas stations, no more old buildings, no more NY street….in the near future seems we can’t take a picture of anything 😂... things seem so heavy now…that’s the best I can describe it… - yes his video might be at the top, but he’s one of one. Everyone else will still be there for anyone that wants to dive deeper. I think it’s ok to have a little candy every now and then. Just my two cents.

[@thomervin7450]

lol it's funny, but I had the same thought about gas stations, old buildings, and street photography in NY. When people view photos and then talk about them, there's a constant need for something new. That's why representational art has such a hard time these days, because lots of artists and critics say, "Well, that's been done already." However, I think if you have a different take on the same subject, then it becomes new again.

[@builtbytitan]

@@thomervin7450 good point. I can’t remember who said this, but the sentiment was that w everyone should have the right and Joy to photograph a subject. Even if it’s the Statue of Liberty or the Eiffel Tower….just cause it’s been taken a million times, someone shouldn’t rob your joy of taking that photo. Photography is a joy, not something to be taken so seriously and gate kept. These days I feel like if I’m walking around with a film camera I have to have a whole mission to my photos, planning my book, being a zone focus ninja 🥷🏽 😅. It’s exhausting. Let’s just take photos and have fun 😂

[@nickguzman1734]

Yeah the video also fails to note that a lot of the film photography KZbinrs are pretty much all the same. They're either these zen dudes that walk around their neighborhood with Lo Fi on the background.. making green juice with incense all around them Or they're these guys that are an exact copy of Grainydays personality. Then you have Mike Gray who was initially a really cool guy but Tyler Shield's douche personality is starting to rub off on him

[@dimaermolenko98]

The point is not that you can't photograph said things. The point is that you can't claim its art. Immagine bother are photographers out there actually trying to create something new, never been done before. Yiu already can't do much hasn't Ben done before. Problem is that most si called artist Photographers aren't even aware what has or hasn't been done. The point history know what has been done and where your influence comes from. Otherwise how can you expand on it? Its hie they say. Most of the time when youbgind something original you probably don't know what it was influenced by. You can photograph whatever you like...

[@AnthonyGugliotta]

Interesting take. I think you've shared some legitimate concerns with KZbin in general, such as videos getting stuck at the top of search despite not containing the best (let's call it "experience-tested information"). At the same time there is always space for a more technically accurate or thorough video on any given photography topic. I've found this to be true with some of my Lightroom editing tutorials. When I first started making tutorials I was very unimpressed with the quality and technical accuracy of many of the Lightroom tutorials that would appear in search. So I made my own. And guess what... They flopped at first because I was outranked by other larger channels with dedicated audiences who didn't care about technical accuracy. But I knew if I kept making videos, eventually they would find an audience of their own. I'm still new to all of this, and still trying to figure out the "system" (which is something Peter understands and has capitalized on very well) Hopefully one day I'll get there and the quality of my videos will speak on their own. The reality is that there are a lot of small niches on KZbin that have been dominated by larger creators coming in and adding their voice. I think the most we can hope for is that this drives new viewers to the existing smaller creators, or challenges the smaller channels to be innovative and capitalize on this newfound interest in their niche. ❤

[@SPECTRA890]

I love your videos. Breath of fresh air. This year as I started getting into cinematography, I finally came to realize there are KZbin videos and photographers and there are those who have done this for a living with real clients. Both have good advice but there's a difference in nuance and quality.

[@bernyslid]

I get were you coming from but sheeeesh. yall didn't even give him a chance, the man just started his new hobby and yall already on him lol, but photography in general is subjective so it is what it is

[@Meandmypc12]

People forget no one needs to be an aficionados of this to make videos. I didn’t even knew this guy before this video, but I don’t why shit on him so much because he’s just more casual about photography

[@madonna816]

There are always sh*tty gatekeepers.

[@travisharrisphotography]

This is why I stopped making videos on my own channel. I started to realize people just wanted me to talk about gear or see the beautiful models etc.. and I knew that this was not what I supported or wanted to turn into. So, I get where you are coming from and took some balls to come out in the open and lay it all out there. But, as someone who (before the pandemic) was "rocking and rolling" on my way.. I stopped believing in my own "message" and had to stop to re-think how I wanted to continue (if at all). Here I am, still 3 almost 4 years later still thinking, lol.

[@MichaelDrowley]

Bit of the same journey for me, but now I make whatever content I want (which barely gets views) but I think what’s still largely missing is business related “how to” content as the whole algorithm is flooded with “get rich” content. so I am working on more of that now (rather than endless gear videos) and still desire to help others level up. I think if you are still passionate about photography (and/or filmmaking) it’s still worth putting some content out there. If you have some bigger ideas then leverage your channel and go for it!

[@michael_177]

Had no idea who he was, looked up his channel, skimmed through a couple videos, and came to the conclusion it's extremely pretentious. Especially the "minimalist desk setup" video i saw. Damn. Either that or its just because ive been doing instant-photography for a few years and only just dipped my toe into 35mm so dont really know anyone in the online content creator space

[@Aviciiz]

Peter McKinnon is as good for film photography as Jake Paul is for Boxing.

[@graykekoadrumz]

Best comment I’ve seen

[@donjagoe]

You are dead on that it is mostly evocative lifestyle now. Beautiful, love to be traveling as he does, but kind of all over the place.

[@GirdHerd]

You are absolutely spot on. I following quite a few photographers on KZbin and stumbled across McKinnon. I subscribed and watched his videos for a few months and unsubscribed because he was making videos about nothing. BTW, I just subscribed to your channel.

[@Overexposed1]

Thanks for stopping by!

[@annabelplahuta]

thats how i felt about Peter Lindgren

[@annabelplahuta]

thats how i felt about Peter Lindgren

[@laurapeter3857]

I’ve only seen one of Peter’s videos only because everyone but me seemed to know who he is. I couldn’t make it all the way through even one video. Endless pointless B-roll. Lots of talk about him and very little about photo/video. Flashing lots of gear and talking about none of it. I feel like I wasted 20 minutes of my life and didn’t finish the video and left not even knowing what it was about. And I’m just a nobody weekend photographer. But, Peter who?

[@calahad]

McKinnon and those like him are hypebeasts. They are great at creating hype around a topic but nothing of substance. I used to be a big fan but have started noticing his videos are just that… hype. His last video with anything of importance or substance has been posted like 3 years ago. Now it’s just pure hype.

[@SaxSpy]

can you do a follow up video?

[@anta40]

My initial reaction when reading the title is "what?". Peter McKinnon is a very well known portrait photographer, a big fan of Pentax 67. How come he's bad for film photography? Ahh... wrong Peter, then. That's Peter Hurley. Ehehehe...

[@mikemassa6143]

I had this conversation about everything you just said in this video with my wife months ago when i saw that first “film photography” video. Truly agree with this as being a “moment” and will eventually be thrown under the buss. Money will be made and then the exit strategy will take place. I expect that too. Shitty part is sky-rocketing prices for gear, cameras, film and all.

[@authenticNL2]

I'm mostly mad that he can overprice a variable ND filter

[@allena3430]

Never was a fan of Peter Mckinnon, his style and excessive use of coffee b rolls. Even had a buddy tell me he isn't friendly to fans. Never met him personally so I'll take it with a pinch of salt but obviously trying to be an elitist with the recent Leica surge and also a loyalty to his canon brand. I used Leica way before he started trending with it and it sucks to hear new young photographers on the street saying we are all inspired by Peter Mckinnon. Obviously an influencer first rather than photography first.

[@Being_Joe]

Man, some of the bigger film photography channels out there are not all that original.

[@kevindud333]

I watch almost all of Peter's videos. Been watching for years. I like his style, enthusiasm and photography (digital or film). But watching his stuff hasn't made me change my style or photography...I don't use Canon, premiere pro, lightroom, or photoshop. I like moody photos, but I also like colorful ones too. I've never bought any of his gear or personal drops. I watch other film photography channels too. BUT I don't even shoot film or plan to shoot film. I'm just a digital shooter. I watch film photography channels because it's informative and entertaining. I don't think gatekeeping film photography is the solution to your worries. And I don't really have an answer, but it seems to me that film photography has been pretty expensive for a while now.

[@mynewcolour]

Film photography has been cheap for decades. Cheaper than ever. Low demand was why you could buy a Leica or Hasselblad from a dealer with a warranty for $700 and film for $5. Prices now (and in the last couple of years) are beginning to catch up.

[@abetrve]

After some years I see more people consuming (or just flipping) film and cameras but it's still pretty rare to see people pick up photozines, photobooks, pay for an exhibition, commission work... it's also difficult to have conversations nowadays with all the "vibes", "tones" and general results-oriented lingo (if one more person tells me to start a film photography podcast I might lose it). I guess it's that time in the cycle of a hobby where it's trickling back into the mainstream and influencers are trying to intercept it or insert themselves into its community, repackage it as one more lifestyle commodity, get the bag and hop onto the next thing; we're just gonna have to ride it out with patience and persistence.

[@IridiumZero]

I have no idea how people can listen to Peter McKinnon chat about absolutely nothing for years on end lol I think his thing is just based on the parasocial relationship a certain type of guy wants in the modern world - people consume the content because they want to hang out with a fun older brother or something.

[@tsuriranpu]

He's more like a brand then a person. He understands the way youtube works but I feel like the ''soul'' of his work has been missing for the past few years.

[@malikbeach]

ALL I CAN SAY IS THANK YOU! im so glad im not the only one in the community that feels like this.

[@TheWutangclan1995]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Peter jumps into street by moving to New York and either gives up from confrontation or you hear a Bwhats up everybody, in a Paulie B video.

[@stevearcher50]

When PM switched to film I immediately thought his views must be down or he's having a mid life crisis and the only way to stay cool was to join the film community. Trying to stay young.

[@JerzyRugby]

This is the first time I read the name Peter McKinnon, and I'm (back) into film since 2 years. What did I do wrong? ;-)

[@JerzyRugby]

BTW Great video! It was fun watching. And a little bit frightning to imagine that we will be part in this McKinnon-Multiverse soon....

[@mgpyy]

Same bro, I watched PM video about videography , photography back in the days 2018. But when I start learning about film photography that's from the guys you mentioned not PM. Willem verbeeck , Teo Crawford , kingjvpes , grainydays those guys are my truly inspirations.

[@shanelee4094]

I love the “dark colors, pirate skulls and whhbbatts up every bodies” 🤣🤣 - great video on a hot take!

[@Overexposed1]

Thanks for watching!

[@JorgePille]

Ironically, this video is on my feed just because I watched said influencer’s video(s). I see your point and frustration, but careful with the gate keeping vibe. I’ve no interest in film really, too late to the game perhaps, but highly respect the art. I look forward to watching more of your content and learning from your (and others’) perspective.

[@_FrontFootFilms_]

Most of the larger names in reviews and gear vlogs are not in fact industry professionals. I take them all with a grain of salt.

[@michaeltuffin8147]

I’m glad I am still using the film bodies I bought in the 1980s and don’t have to worry about price gouging, except on the cost of film.

[@Bukkake2023]

I also got tired of his videos literally had no substance to them just keeps going on about being a film maker yet I’ve never seen a film of his and stopped watching but on the other hand so have so many people by the looks of things. Yes he has nearly 6 million subs but the last time a video of his got over a million views was released on September 14 2022 almost a year to the day and rarely does a video now make it to 500k views. His popularity has wained now I don’t think it will be as bad as you think because he isn’t known for film so even more people will drop off

[@fosil21]

you are so so true.... imagine that the guy started a video about night photography secrets by saying he is new at night photography. He is new but he already knows the secrets...!! The truth is that by having 6m subscribers you can say whatever you want whenever you want about anything. But that's the story of the spectacle and mass production anyways. Just show off without any real value and that's the story of the masses too, to follow whatever shines, because they feel they will shine too someday. I think that whoever needs depth will search for it, even if MacKinnon's video keeps coming first.

[@pittsburghphotographer]

Between his Leica videos, the truck videos, the jewelry videos, and now film, I've check out of watching any of his stuff.

[@c.augustin]

Oh yeah - Peter McKinnon. Interesting dude, reacts very unkindly to critique (to put it mildly). "Vapid" is a good description of his videos (stylish, entertaining for some, but little content, at least by now), so I unsubscribed a very long time ago. Glad to see someone actually speaking out loud what many non-PMK-fanboys might think. Interestingly enough, PMK does still not come up in my YT recommendations (or I just don't look) - but *this* video here came up. Gives me some hope for the algorithm … 😁

[@teocrawford]

Hey Isaac, neat video, you make some good points. I must admit that I haven’t yet watched any of Peter’s film photography videos, but I can imagine what they’re like. Peter actually has a special place in my heart, because back in the days he was the one who inspired me to become a photographer and I’m deeply grateful for the videos he was making back then. Nowadays my interests and taste in videos has shifted and so I haven’t been following his stuff too much, but what I want to point out in regard to your points is that I don’t think that too much will change. I completely understand this sense of fear, but as far as my observations have gone, it seems to me that audiences on KZbin have become very niche and tasteful. E.g. most film photographers in the KZbin space make rather chill if not even calming videos but everyone in their own way such as Grainydays being the dry yet funny guy. Peter is so different to what we have so that I don’t think it’ll be too damaging because viewers who like his stuff will stick to those videos and probably find mine way too downbeat and boring. Whereas someone like me doesn’t particularly enjoy upbeat fast paced videos so I will not be tuning into those too much🤷🏻‍♂️ Just sharing some thoughts off the top of my head, I hope that made sense😅🫶🏼

[@Overexposed1]

I had the idea a few weeks ago, but decided to make it when I saw the sentiment on the film photography Reddit. It’s certainly possible thinks won’t all be bad. People have made comments about the potential benefits of him shooting film too. If I had to guess, the likely result will be somewhere in the middle. Very much love your channel, thanks for stopping in!

[@KobesCribOfficial]

@@Overexposed1I agree with the statement in which I don’t think PM will make an impact on film and if anything he will just bring the spotlight to other creators. People watch Pete for his personality and his touch rather than for his the content itself and that’s why he has a lot of followers. It’s the same for any medium whether it be cooking or beauty etc.. you have different kinds of creators in that space who do things differently and niche down for different forms of content but at the end of the day you guys are all photographers. I do both photo and video myself and would love to one day buy a film camera and take what I would like to call the purest form of photography but it aches me when people feel the need to shun people out and almost reject them from a space that they want to explore. Pete is in his own lane when it comes to the space and him diving into film is just gonna give the spotlight to other creators as he did in one of his videos in which he used his platform (that yes was heavily influenced by Casey) to use it to promote a bunch of film photographers. (He made a video that he gave shoutout to some of the big dogs in the film space)

[@ratgirl13]

He’s quite the personality; he’s fluff and like cotton candy it’s good sometimes, but doesn’t make for a sustainable diet.

[@tomcass921]

LOVE THIS. I think it's brave to callout PM on this platform mainly because his fans are so devoted and excessive, I've said it a million times, I honestly think PM could film a video of a dog taking a dump and his fans would tell you it's one of the greatest things they have ever seen. I hated it when I saw he was moving in to film, I don't like to think that other creators who have done so much for the community like willem verbeeck, Vuhlandes, grainydays etc will now get overshadowed by PMs frankly average photography and his army of mindless uncreative fan boys.

[@ARLimitless]

Bro I enjoy pm work but I would disagree on the statement that he can overshadow vuhlandes n grainydays.

[@nickguzman1734]

It doesn't have to be that way. He brought several accounts publicity in a recent video. It appears as though @hijoflacko is the only one using it to their advantage, however.

[@wildpatagoniafilms16]

I totally agree! I always felt the same about him! Nothing personal! He is a good entertainer! Nothing wrong with that.. but hey: he has a cult following 😂 and like you said; he films a dog taking a shit and his 17 year old followers call him the best filmmaker ever existed! 😂

[@andyxfilms]

Very true. Peter was great for motivation, but his videos don’t offer much education… which is fine- but I don’t really care for his vlogs & all the “fun secret” projects he’s always working on. Also, his titles are always like, “I’m quitting KZbin” “I’m quitting film” “why I’m quitting blah blah blah” - I feel like these are titles KZbinrs use when their channels start to die. They just need outrageous titles to draw interest now.

[@DFLAstro]

I've watched PM's videos for a number of years now and I felt like his glory days were those where he was sat in that little home office putting out genuine and interesting photography content - days when he actually picked up a camera and made a picture with it. Nowadays, it's just another video about him, his brand, some weird piece of merch or his truck/holiday/hat. The day I saw that first film photography video dropI felt genuinely uneasy because yeah, his presence and involvement will have a potentially negative effect at least until he loses interest in it. If he's going to go down that rabbit hole, I want to see genuine content from a genuine journey. I want to see him buy some POS 4th hand K1000, OM10 or QL17 off of eBay with busted light seals, I want to see him using a free light meter app on his phone to get settings or fumble his way around Sunny 16. I want to see the look of mild disappoint when he's developing his first B&W roll at his kitchen sink and it either didn't dev properly or the neg gets scratched when he squeegees it. You might argue that this sounds like I want him to fail. I don't. But I want his beginnings in this to look like ours did, not to just float in like some prodigal photography savant with flawless shots taken on a pricey Leica.

[@langdons2848]

I followed Peter from his early days and he was inspirational to me to go further with my photography. And I'm grateful for that. I too lost interest though when he changed and stopped being that inspiration. I was sad that he didn't evolve into something more and better. But that's a hard thing to do for people who make it big on KZbin. I have been seeing people "getting into film" on KZbin for a while now and have no interest. I shot film for 20 years. I've done it. I don't need to do it again. Other people have fun with it and that's great, but it certainly wasn't going to pull me back to his channel.

[@thepreditor6265]

Well said, except most of his 6 million don’t show up anymore. Pretty sure that’s a space station sleight of hand, he’s falling out of fashion and his endless shilling. Glad you spoke up about it.

[@danielmartinphotography]

I started in 1983 processing and printing film at a one hour photo lab, also did b/w in the dark room. And we were the first lab south of Atlanta metro to offer same day slide film processing. I learned to print before I learned to shoot. Started shooting weddings in late 1985, and we have shot over 1,000 since then. I'm old now, lol. Digital has came a long way! I now use a Canon R6 and it's awesome. I do miss film sometimes, but I priced a roll of 36 exposure film the other day for $20 omg... we used to sell it for $3.99! Gotta keep up with the times to keep the money flowing! The albums brides wanted in the 80's are not near as popular nowadays, they just want their digitals to put on Facebook or instagram! But, if they are buying I'm selling! I've always done photography for the money, I do love my job, but it's always been my income source for 40 years!

[@TheNewBruno69]

i agree with pretty much what ever you said, but i wanna counterpart at the same time... peter for sure is the biggest influencer about photography, where people copy their style and all, BUT if even just a 10% of his entire subscribers are true photographer or just not sucker or simp about him and his style, they will get maybe into film photography and get to know other content creators and let the word spread. and honestly maybe some of those will try will even stick on it. i hope the wave doesn't get too short or too harmful after. cause yes the wave will be big, but if after that the wave is completely gone? the market suffer. i just hope that whoever will get into film through Peter he will stick to this medium, instead of just sucking on his fav content creator, whoever those may be

[@Overexposed1]

Agree! That’s definitely possible too. Thanks for watching.

[@thomervin7450]

Only 10%, or even less, probably become good anyway. Lots of artists hung out together in small groups and ended up affecting a lot of people. Can't look at the masses and gauge life based upon what they think they want.

[@alexinnewwest1860]

He’s a great editor and influencer, but an average photographer. Millennials have short attention spans and I bought by the glitter and flash, not substance

[@horatiueduard]

Never heard of the guy. Happy I live under a rock.

[@mynewcolour]

Hang on. He went to Iceland and shot 1 roll of film? What?

[@Overexposed1]

Yeah

[@mynewcolour]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@riqbeq]

My number one concern was that prices will skyrocket for Film cameras and maybe Film will get even more expensive (though I’m not sure on that one i mean If Kodak sees a giant increase in customers would make it cheaper?)

[@mynewcolour]

Absolutely not gonna happen. The equipment required for film photography is simple, durable and plentiful. He’ll probably use the hype cameras anyway - but they’re simply not required. Film is going up but for different reasons and Kodak will need that in order to stay profitable.

[@LesterBeasley]

I used to watch Peter McKinnon's video but haven't in a while. I saw he was getting in to film *yawn*. I also thought it would be another passing novelty. I wish him good luck. I figure if it helps the film community so much the better. I prefer your Colonel Sanders meets Ansel Adams approach to videos.

[@Overexposed1]

Thanks Lester! Much appreciated!

[@NorbiWhitney]

I'm glad people are agreeing with you in the comments, as this is a super hot take. I lost interest in him years ago and hearing that he's now into film has crushed my already unrealistic dreams of ever owning an xpan. We must keep him away from the xpan!

[@Overexposed1]

I really don’t want to talk about an xpan. I have been fighting the urge for about 6 months. I’m weakkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

[@NorbiWhitney]

@@Overexposed1 when I got into film, they were under $1000 and I was like “I’ll wait, maybe they’ll go down”. Whoops.

[@noahvonhatten]

Some good insights here. I had a lot of similar thoughts when I saw he jumped on to the film photography "band wagon",, but couldn't quite formulate them cohesively as you just did. I hate to criticise anyone who wants to join the film community, but he's entry in this segment felt almost like posing, if that makes sense. A bit like posting endless pictures of a Leica M6 on Instagram for attention. I thought your video was very well done. A hilarious side note, a couple years ago when Peter McKinnon came out with the first Polar Pro ND I was still in my "I want to be Peter McKinnon" phase, and I bought one of the damn things. It cost more than the camera and lens I was attaching it to at the time.... I ended up quite disappointed with it. They're not really better than the other filters I'd bought for a literal 1/10 of the price.

[@Overexposed1]

I really appreciate the kind words Noah!

[@MrDCB1234]

As soon as he gets a bunch of clicks and watches he will bail out… just watch and see. I used to watch him and figured out pretty quickly he is not in it for the film community for sure!

[@michaelsingJiuJitsu]

Blocked him a couple years ago, his videos were pretty good and entertaining then he sold out. Can't blame him for doing it however his videos suck now and could care less what he has to say.

[@uppernycghost]

1 million percent agree with everything you wrote in the description.

[@pcofranc]

1:25 I think product placements describes what he was doing. Also, wondering how many people are familiar with the Polaroid back which attached to the Hasselblad camera in place of the regular film allowing you to pre-check your work by shooting a Polaroid waiting for it to develop looking things over and then reinstalling the cartridge with the film in it.

[@OneHourPhotos]

I thought this the moment I saw his first video on film photography. My heart sank. It went against everything that I loved about film photography…

[@Tony16610]

I just worry that, with 6 million subscribers, how many film cameras are going to be bought off the secondhand market then used once or twice before the instant gratification cravings kick in? Then they'll sit on a shelf as a backdrop prop or paperweight, never to be used again.

[@mike_s_media]

I think you're dramatically overstating Peter McKinnon's influence on photography as most people who are serious in photography follow actual practicing photographers within their respective area of shooting. PM is just a big life style content creator and most people who imitate his work are wanting to also be content creators. Not to say he wouldn't influence that crowd to hop on a film bandwagon but those are likely going to be people that otherwise wouldn't be in the genre to begin with. Also, if you think $250 is a lot for an ND filter or any filter for that matter then I'd assume you haven't been in photography for too long as those are cheap by todays standards for ND filters. Most consumer market name brand NDs are between $175-$400 then getting into high end commercial grade you are into the thousands per filter set. My Lowepro camera bag was $300 so again... normal pricing for these things. This is the first video I've ever seen of yours suggested to me on my home page and all it sounds like is someone who's complaining about the success of someone else on the platform. No offense but why make a video like this if not to garner views yourself? I'm more annoyed by the sheer number of people on KZbin who always put Peter McKinnon's or Casey Neistat's name/pic in the title/thumbnail obviously knowing those videos always get views and what better way than to oppose something. Keep in mind, like you, most people are here on KZbin to build a brand and promote a business to grow a community of like minded individuals ie customers and profit off of doing so.

[@Overexposed1]

I make videos about topics in the film photography niche. Someone with a following 10x the niche’s former largest creator creating videos inside this niche is worthy of discussion. I got the idea to make this video because this topic is being discussed on Reddit and other film spaces. Yes, we make videos to get views - with ideas and content relevant to our niche. Thus, this video - which succeeded.

[@kyroschannel]

I unsubscribed his channel long ago. Still wonder what 6 million individuals like about him. His video editing i guess

[@_NoDrinkTheBleach]

I've long tuned out on content creators who do videos like "I'm switching to *camera brand x*." I'm always suspicious of the motives of making a public spectacle of "I'm taking my talents to South Beach" when it is something as inconsequential as the camera someone is using. Besides his dry wit and the frequent beauty shots of Baxter, the main reason why grainydays is my favorite photography youtuber is that he has no camera allegiances, and his usage of different films is the focus of the channel. I think Peter McKinnon is a very slick social media influencer, but I haven't considered him a photographer in a long time. I could see him ditching film right around a year after getting into it. A change to Hasselblad or Fuji medium format digital by then seems likely. But the shift he'll cause in prices won't ever recover. I'm just as worried about the film stocks as I am about the cameras. Kodak sees no reason to lower prices as it is. If he causes sales to skyrocket, they'll go even higher.

[@AmbercoolPhotography]

This sounds crazy but in 15 years, KZbin only recently in the past month showed me a Peter video. I had no idea who he was. I saw the one where he did his first roll of film and I couldn't finish it.

[@thecommish80]

He was good a few years ago but him and matti both feel like empty calories now. No substance.

[@b.w.6615]

At least he's jumping super late on the film train, all the great cameras are already completely unaffordable :D

[@riteshmhatre978]

He's more of a influencer than photographer, guy once made his friend pose on street and called it street photography. We used to enjoy his stuff in the beginning but now its repetitive and boring.

[@MrBenjy2006]

More people getting into film photography will GREATLY benefit all of us film shooters in the long run. Period. This is just some pessimistic gatekeeper mentality to think otherwise. I don’t particularly have any respect for Peter but I’m 100% on board with more people shooting film, however the heck they decide to do it. I love the OG film KZbinrs you mention: Matt Day(who by the way is only digital at the moment, for some irony), Ted Forbes(Art of Photography, who also is digital now), Grainydays, Nick Carver, many others.

[@KK-VLOG]

Exactly.. 100%!

[@tompoynton]

Nick is the goat

[@HesselFolkertsma]

I mean, not to sound all OG hipster or whatever, but a couple years ago a lot of us film-shooters felt the same thing when the filmhype jumpstarted. On the one hand it was able to bring in a lot of new young people to the hobby, but on the other it also muddied the waters a whole lot (and raised prices all across the board). Edit: I work parttime in a brick&mortar photography retail store that’s been around for 100 years, the film resurgence from a few years ago brought it a LOT of new customers and still do. But it also made me aware of how very few of these new users actually respected the craft. Most don’t research what film they’re using or looking to buy, aren’t careful with their cameras and don’t even care about picking up their filmnegs. Hell, some don’t even understand the concept of film itself… I imagine these are growing pains whenever a hobby goes mainstream, some are in it purely for the look and not so much the craft.

[@johnlarsson4437]

This video came on after another youtube I was playing while doing some after lunch cleanup. When I first heard you speak I stopped what I was doing to watch and listen. I'm really happy you made this video. Being an explorer or sorts I stumbled across Mr McKinnon and ignored him. I stumbled across him a second time when he click baited me with switching to film. Eh, same _____ different day. There just wasn't anything sincere or of substance. I follow some people because they're entertaining/fun, some because they're informative/educational, and not enough because they're inspirational. Mr McKinnon offers none of the above. I can't even watch because it's a form of travel video. Not for me. For a change I'm happy with the KZbin algorithm. Instead of feeding me crap I don't want and blocking what I do want, KZbin has introduced me to your channel. Thanks for being here and I'll be watching more now that I'm subscribed.

[@Overexposed1]

Thanks John! Happy to have you aboard!

[@jamiegray3245]

Hey Peter McKinnon, the Mamiya Press is a helluva camera, better than a Mamiya 7ii, and of course the MJU II. Please spread this so I can sell mine for a higher price!

[@BizonURS]

Peter McKinon ... Kim Kardashian of photography

[@TheBigBlueMarble]

Peter has figured out KZbin. He understands that content runs a distant second in importance to personality...and he has tons of personality. Don't worry, he will go back to digital within the next 6 months. The reality is that film is not flexible enough for him.

[@shubhangmehrotra1298]

I hope he actually sells back that fridge-full of film of his and not let it go bad.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

I’m sat and the popcorn’s getting ready. Also, great job on the description which is very articulate.

[@temporaleffects]

I agree that his videos could start to dominate somewhat over those of smaller film-oriented creators, but I don't see it as a big problem. Many enthusiasts will actively look past the largest creators, if only to seek out other opinions. Smaller creators come across as more genuine, more creative, and more trustworthy, largely since they are less beholden to sponsors. Also, using Google Trends as a measure, Peter's popularity peaked in 2018-2019 and has been on a steady decline since then. This tells us that while he is still popular, people are viewing their photography-related content elsewhere.

[@johnrobbins4500]

I'm one of the people who got back into film because of his videos. Luckily the algorithm started giving me other film shooters that really know their stuff well (grainydays, King Jvpes, Film Supply Club). I love watching Peter for inspiration. For me, I get inspired to go out and shoot more from his videos than anyone else's. I'm learning more though about my camera, film stocks, and proper "to-do's" from everyone else. Now it's just an investment of time shooting that's the challenge!

[@impersonalbrand2513]

COFFEE B ROLL LMAO. what is with these guys and the coffee b roll!? as a photographer and indie filmmaker, i find it really funny how all the big KZbin Camera Content Creators talk about shooting "cinematic" shots which, to them, basically means slow motion. that's it. slow motion. that's cinema, baby! i don't think i've ever seen or heard any of them name one actual cinematographer as any kind of influence. i don't even think i've heard them talk about movies at all. maybe i just don't watch enough of their Content™ but i suspect that if you ever asked them to name a single cinematographer or film that's influenced them they'd just give you a blank look. but, hey, they know how to shoot "cinematic," bro! i think once you accept that these guys are first and foremost KZbinrs/social media entrepreneurs as opposed to legit artists, then it all becomes less annoying. don't really look to any of them for advice--they're just Content Creators™.

[@itsme-KG]

I gonna Tell you I kinda Disagree with you, I've been watching Peter for a long time and I have to admit he was one of the reason that kept my Passion to photography Grows up, and his switch to film or even anything else is good for this niche, and I'm sure not all the 6 Million Subscribers are fools or just sheep following him, he is creative and even topics outside photography or videography is still interesting, He is also a supportive person as he keeps recommending other great content makers that truly added to my knowledge, and lets be honest here, this video about him is 2 goals one , raising your concerns is sure a good thing to share , but sure having his name in your video title is good way to increase your reach, views and subscribers on your channel. Still I like your video and concerns but I always advice you to keep looking for the good side of everything happening we are all here trying to learn, and get entertained.

[@strippedlist]

Check Alessio Albi photography...then look at peter's work

[@confrontingphotography4815]

PM is much ado about nothing. His videos have a profound lack of actual content, they all seem to be about how pretty and cool he is. On one level, I gotta say bravo! he’s made a good life for himself, and I won’t try to discount that. For me personally? I find his videos to be completely “cringe” as the kids say. The gear he uses, his opinions, etc are irrelevant to what I do. As for the novices taking the lead. You are right, there seem to be A LOT of inexperienced (under 10 years) people with cameras (but no training at all) spreading silly ideas on YT, it’s just the way it is. Folks who listen to that advice get what they deserve. But the advice of the “pros” on YT is pretty terrible too. YT just isn’t a great place to learn anything other than the most basic and obvious. You mentioned Leica, from one perspective, the people who want to see another Leica video from PM or anyone else for that matter, aren’t really photographers. They are caught up in a photography adjacent fantasy involving “if only….” consumer desire, status, etc. lord help ‘em escape it. Actually, now that I think about it Leica and PM are perfect for each other, since they are both selling a well branded fantasy that has something to do with cameras, and a “lifestyle” but nothing to do with photography, and even less to do with something, some people call art.

[@danewetton]

Bro I loved this video. Don't forget the clarity slider though, you know that thing film or not will be hiked!

[@sobhhi]

Bro keeps it so REAL! Jesus Christ

[@KolanisCreations]

Nailed it. I myself was intoxicated to what I'd describe as polished Casey Neistat 2.0. I no longer watch either. I grew tired of coffee, lifestyle, and travel videos that had little to do with actually creating videos and photography. He chases trends and sells products. I think we'll see a short term peak in interest in all things film followed by a rapid drop and quick sale from people who will move to the next trend or are frustrated because they aren't instantly professional film photographers. Hopefully though we get to keep a few thousand people who keep at it.

[@LucaLombardiPhoto]

Yes, the Chief Cliché Officer will shoot thousands of other full sleeve tattoos hipsters in handmade cowboy hats, coffees, and Navajo stuff... Years ago I watched a few of his videos, I tried again in the last 4 or 6 years and I don't get the point... He beats around the bush for 12 minutes, b-rolls on a coffee, showing expensive stuff, random vlog of him meeting other tattoos hipsters, a speech about "yeah you can make it", and now he's a film photographer 🤷🏽‍♂️. I'm happy he's not using a Zenza Bronica etrsi and a Kiev 88 because these are MYYYYY cameras!

[@dynamotv]

To be fair, a lot of the big film photography channels are lifestyle/flex videos with just a bit of education thrown in. No hating because they are entertaining but following someone's adventures is most of YT.

[@Nick-bj5pb]

Even when I was a newbie photographer and just started watching KZbin, I realized that Peter’s videos are kinda useless. He clickbaits constantly and sorta rambles about nothing until he gets past the 10-15 minute mark. All of his videos can be summarized in about 60 seconds and the information is never quite as valuable as other KZbinrs. He makes very good thumbnails and aesthetic videos, but other than that, I have no idea why he is so popular and revered.

[@nicktasteless360]

yup. i found so much better youtubers to learn from.

[@nicktasteless360]

Simon d'Entremont is a good youtubers who gives you valuable tips instead of trying to sell you something to improve your skills.

[@fizzcochito]

Nick Carver on top

[@ChrisRavage]

I don’t know man…it’s so easy to see the negatives of what PM will bring, overshadowing smaller creators etc, bringing in expensive accessories, but he will bring people who haven’t done film to your channels also. You may find film channels grow more than usual as interest peaks. Sure some will leave when he leaves but some will stay if your content is informative and entertaining. I may ad, I do watch PM but atm, he’s not bringing the content for me, but he has talked about film over 5 videos, which has put this video in my recommended, so it’s working.

[@TristanColgate]

I was, until this moment, blessedly unaware of him. (I am old).

[@Stealther]

I unsubscribed from PM a long time ago. Just no longer interesting or maybe I've outgrown his content.

[@kevinmarkham6385]

not gonna lie, i was pretty mad when i saw that the first 3 minutes of a peter mckinnon were coffee making

[@Overexposed1]

I get my coffee at McDonalds like everyone else. I can’t be bothered with all the pomp and circumstance.

[@HeintjeMendoza]

LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK

[@Coal354]

I have felt this way about Peter for a while now. Like many, he was one of the creators to get me really interested in photography, but as I learned more about the hobby, the more I drifted away from his content. I think he’s a great guy but KZbin is his business, it’s how he makes money and often he is searching for new niches he can tap into to gain their viewership. Nothing wrong with that, but not my cup of tea and ultimately not really the content I’m fond of anymore. I love film photography and am just getting started with it, and I think his videos could bring more people to the hobby, which could bring good traction, but it can also be bad. I guess we’ll see. Pete’s not my favorite and his overpriced mediocre gear isn’t either, but this is ultimately how he makes his money so I understand why he does what he does. Let’s hope some areas of photography stay pure 😂 nice work on this video.

[@nickguzman1734]

I don't really think that being interested in several things at once means that he's doing it to "tap into new audiences. It's definitely healthy to be curious and to be passionate about several things in life

[@OnlineObsessionista]

One point of why Peter is good, is because. I found your video because you mentioned him. And what's good on this is that now I can check all the creators you've mentioned, because I didn't know about them before I saw your video. Peter McKinnon made a really good job by collecting 6M followers, so now you can take advantage of this.

[@Opinion-Matters]

100% just swim where the big fish is swimming

[@garethbutton]

Yup I saw this video because I’ve subbed Pete. I don’t watch one vid and turn you tube off that thread leads me to all sorts of channels. I think it will help to be honest

[@montycraig5659]

Here’s my take… Old guy here, shot film since the 70s. I watch some photo videos, primarily if I am checking out a lens, or recipe for my new (to me) Fuji. But here is the mindset that works for me. I can listen to what a guy says about film, and within a few minutes, I know whether there is any meat there, or if it’s all just bluster coming from an influencer. There are quite a few good film photographers out here who share valuable info, and I would say that the three mentioned, are not on my list. I like Matt, William, and Grainydays, and watch their channel much like looking through an old Popular Photography magazine. I know there may be a tie bit of good stuff, but it’s mostly just someone trying to keep up with a content deadline with filler stuff. So, as a photographer, who just happened to start with film, I go out alone, and shoot what I am given in the moment. I use good technique, and create something that I feel is of value. In the end, I am at peace, and happy, which is why I do photography in the first place. It doesn’t matter if it is film, or digital. I don’t use the latest and greatest equipment. I buy the best equipment that I can comfortably afford. And I don’t get pulled down the newest rabbit hole. McKinnon… he is just tepidly entertaining…. Kinda like Fro, and many other “Experts” on KZbin.

[@cborel83]

This is so true and I thought that the second he said anything about film. He posts one crappy film pic and gets 400k like in an hour. He’s a marketing genius. I hope he sticks with digital