People think $500 is too much for the Pentax 17 and now they've got a fixed f11, fixed shutter speed point and shoot for $350? Oof. I expect the Widelux to be $2k at least. I don't think the issue with cost and a new Pentax is designing, but manufacturing. Sure they could bring out the old plans and designs for previous cameras but all the tooling and machine work for those parts may or may not be available anymore. I couldnt see them making a modern gr1 for less than $800 probably.
@viiviketomaki7284Ай бұрын
It's a tough situation. I wonder how much a rangefinder coupling would've added to the Pentax 17 price. Because 600$ for a new rangefinder would probably sound more reasonable than 500$ for a point and shoot with zone focus.
@mynamesdeekayАй бұрын
The $350 is AUD not USD. It ends up being around $235 USD
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
Very good point.
@adrianemikkoАй бұрын
Fixed focus too
@ericpalmer3588Ай бұрын
The problem with the pentax17 isn’t the cost. It’s that it’s zone focus and super limited.
@PokhrajRoy.Ай бұрын
Jeff Bridges and his wife are such icons for the camera restoration process.
@ryanalldread24 күн бұрын
@@Uwe_Ludolfwhy does that take away from what Jeff and his wife are doing lol. It’s a team project. One wouldn’t exist without the other.
@0v3rm1nd3dАй бұрын
I've sadly heard the Film Never Die camera is just a cheap Alibaba camera repackaged in thin metal.
@taylornoelАй бұрын
New Widelux: very exciting! I’ll take one! Fixed lens, fixed f/11, fixed 1/125? Hard pass New GR1? Lovely! I’ll take 2!
@seaheroeАй бұрын
It's very likely that the Nana camera is just a $30 Alibaba reskinned in a metal frame. All components pretty much match its Alibaba counterpart.
@MattDollinАй бұрын
100% that’s all it is. Also FND pledged to their own kickstarter to get it over the line after it was failing to meet the goal…
@mynewcolourАй бұрын
Fixed aperture and ss? And fixed focus? Maybe I’m missing something but it sounds useless. Like a metal camera shaped object.
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
People buy metal skinned gameboys all day long for hundreds of dollars. No doubt there’s probably a small market for this. The trouble seems to be the chicanery in the roll out.
@crowla9139Ай бұрын
Yeah there's something a bit scammy feeling about the Nana camera.
@R._B._Victor_Hugo_AshfordАй бұрын
Having held them in person, including a prototype I can confirm you're def wrong. If you're in Melbourne go into the store and have a look for yourself.
@BradleySwainAwesomeАй бұрын
Marwan El Mozayen, of Silvergrain, was recently on episode 72 of the camerosity podcast to talk about progress of the widelux if you're interested in hearing more
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
Thanks for this! Very interested!
@tubewatcher155Ай бұрын
Doubt I'll ever afford one. But the Widelux intrigues me based on some of the images I've seen.
@Enevan1968Ай бұрын
My piggy bank has a date with the abattoir...
@arbytsplatzАй бұрын
Even if I would also much prefer to see a GR-like camera as the hopefully next Pentax FF camera, I think it will be more likely a Pentax 36, very close to the 17. The 17 is almost a 36: double the cutout area in the film chamber, switch the viewfinder, adjust the winding gear, done. The already motorized lens positioning according to the set up distance could shurely be turned into an auto focus.
@eatenbyopiumАй бұрын
$350 for a fixed lens focus free camera is diabolical
@Xin200OАй бұрын
I think if more people show interest in the widelux, maybe more panoramic film cameras could be made :D
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
Your lips to gods ears!
@4doorsupra153Ай бұрын
I might sound crazy but I think the pentax 17 is such a cool camera. I can't afford it so I'll just stick with my 40 yr old minolta x-370 😂
@theaussiewhinger29 күн бұрын
Not crazy at all! I bought a Pentax 17 and it's a nice camera that produces photos that I like. Doesn't mean I have to stop using the Olympus 35RC rangefinder that my dad got in 1970. We can enjoy vintage, new, or both.
@shanan1124Ай бұрын
I wish I could use my star power to help develop new film cameras.
@PokhrajRoy.Ай бұрын
YES TO NEW FILM CAMERAS 👏🏽
@donsusedphoto9 күн бұрын
I have heard that the Pentax 17 is a chassis body camera. Does not mean that it would be the foundation of the 35mm coming out next but maybe variations of it in the future. I have also heard they are seeking photographers input on what they would like to see in the full frame compact camera. If that is true, what would your suggestion be?
@Seapatico29 күн бұрын
$350 for a camera with a permanent f11 and one shutter speed? I can't fathom the thought process behind that.
@aheadachewithpicturesАй бұрын
The Ricoh GR is probably my dream camera, I've never bought one cause I just can't justify it considering the terrible LCDs, I would go crazy for a new one if it didn't share that problem.
@SchwarzPoetАй бұрын
I would like to see something that does not yet exist in this form from Pentax, but which Ricoh has already brought onto the market in two ways with a Pentax K mount. I'm talking about a completely mechanical SLR camera with a metal leaf shutter and battery-powered TTL light meter. Pentax does not even have this in its own portfolio. With a cloth focal plane shutter yes, but there is no model with a metal leaf shutter from Pentax directly. Of course, the light meter should also be up to date. But I personally don't have a Pentax model that is comparable to the Nikon FM, Nikon FM2, Nikon FM2n or Nikon FM3a in terms of the criteria. With a reasonably bright focusing screen, Pentax K mount, hotshoe, and a fastest shutter speed of 1/2000 or even 1/4000 second and, as I said, with a metal leaf shutter. Of course also with a mechanical self-timer. And if possible with a metal body. That would be my Pentax dream for the analogue world. Maybe then as a Pentax K2000, who knows.
@VivaEZLN1Ай бұрын
But would you be willing to pay the price for something like that?
@SchwarzPoetАй бұрын
@@VivaEZLN1 If I have the money, yes. Or let's put it another way... if you still want to take analogue photos in 10 - 20 years' time and don't want to pay exorbitant repair bills, you'll have to rely on new cameras like this. Because let's not mince our words, the camera manufacturers and the workshops that officially repair their old models for them are already complaining that the old technology and electronics from the 70s, 80s and 90s are increasingly giving up the ghost, even from the oh-so-great top models, and that there are no longer any spare parts for them. This means that in 30 years at the latest there will be a shortage of such analogue cameras, unless you dig even deeper into your own pockets. So brand new SLR cameras like the ones I want will definitely be necessary if anyone still wants to take analogue photos. And if you look at the situation in the world at the moment, analogue cameras will become all the more important in the foreseeable future.
@robblincoln2152Ай бұрын
That is the expected design portfolio for the 4th camera of the Pentax Film Camera Project: full metal, full mechanical, full manual, and full frame. Expect it to cost a mint
@SchwarzPoetАй бұрын
@@robblincoln2152 I estimate between €1500 and €3000, unless the experience gained from the first three project cameras can help to reduce the price. But if you look at how much Nikon cameras cost at the end of the 60s to the end of the 70s, adjusted for inflation, and take into account the amount of work that has to be done nowadays, it's definitely justifiable and who says that I would buy a brand new camera? The important thing is that there will be more new analogue cameras before the ravages of time gnaw away at the existing ones even more and the technology/electronics are not so far gone that the old cameras completely give up the ghost due to a lack of spare parts. A creeping super disaster would then be waiting for us.
@SchwarzPoetАй бұрын
@@robblincoln2152 Of course I expect that, but who says I'm going to buy them brand new? And if you look at what cameras cost 50-60 years ago, adjusted for inflation, I reckon they cost around €1500 - €3000, which is what a mirrorless system camera would cost today, with some costing even more. Producing and installing technology and electronics, including a digital sensor and display, is not as expensive as you might think, just like a programme written and installed for ALL cameras, and yet the prices for such system cameras are not exactly affordable for everyone. A completely mechanical SLR camera with fewer electronics, i.e. purely for the light meter, with a metal housing and solidly built, will not cost more on the market than a new digital system camera from Sony (Alpha 7 series) or Nikon (Z series). So I'm not worried that I might be able to afford a new used analogue and mechanical SLR camera 5 - 10 years later, or as soon as my career change back to my profession is complete and has borne fruit, possibly even sooner. I think these predictions that such a new analogue SLR camera would cost €5,000 or even €10,000 are pessimistic nonsense. Because quite honestly, by the time this is the fourth or fifth new camera, Pentax will have had enough practice. And as we have learnt from history, initial products are usually more expensive and subsequent products then increasingly stabilise in price. Oh yes, the nice thing about such a camera, as I would like to see from Pentax, would be the fact that it would last at least 50 - 60 years, if not more, unless you accidentally drop it from a height into the depths during a mountain hike.😁 After all, future generations should also benefit from it. 😉
@reggiechelseaАй бұрын
Jeffs photo books are amazing
@craynotcreighАй бұрын
I love my GR1 but I would absolutely buy a new GR film camera, especially if it came with a little fast 40 on it.
@olio_benzinaАй бұрын
My vote is for the GR1v. I borrowed one in the early 2000s, put 2 rolls of B&W through it and always remembered its image quality and simplicity. I couldn't afford one at the time and by the time I could, they were not available new. In 2012 I was able to buy a new Fujifilm Klasse W directly from Japan. I think they had just gone out of production. These are similar to the Ricoh GR1v in spec. but with more optional manual controls and a more upmarket look. Stunning image quality, even a little better than the GR1v. A new Pentax made GR1v would be expensive today.
@dcarrera01Ай бұрын
The Nana sounds like a huge disappointment. The *LAST* think I want to pay for is motorized operation. Winding the camera is part of what makes it a pleasant experience, and it's not exactly hard work. What idiot decided to make a $300 point and shoot that instead of having a glass lens just makes the experience feel less analog?
@thelemon5069Ай бұрын
Eh I love my olympus stylus but it's also not 350 bucks for pos lol
@ThorpalАй бұрын
I always thought the images captured by the Widelux and even with the Horizon were much more interesting compared to Xpan due to the rotating lens system and the curvature. But I won't pay 3k$ for it.
@michaelnewmanphotographyАй бұрын
Oh super interesting! I hadn’t heard of any of these being made. I have my eye on the Rollei 35af since it has auto focus. But honestly I may just keep my 1v for trips
@Samantha-vq3rlАй бұрын
I want the rollei so BAD 😭😭
@Boiledpieceofcheese27 күн бұрын
$250 for a plastic lens is crazy💀
@jeffthatcherphotographyАй бұрын
a new GR film camera that doesnt have a top LCD that doesnt die would be lovely. i've passed on so many GRs cause of that dame LCD.
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
They all broke!
@GTAYLOR1972Ай бұрын
I think the 17 is already back ordered here in the USA. Pentax, from what I understand was really caught off guard by the demand. I have been unable to buy one as of yet.
@andykphotoАй бұрын
Definitely the GR, but the widelux is intriguing. 😸
@mozaic_channelАй бұрын
Was hoping for a MX re-intro, still mostly mechanical but reliable electronics . So much K glass out there, it would make building a kit easy and fun, and tie the new product with Pentax history. If point and shoot, let it be something special like the GR 21.
@robblincoln2152Ай бұрын
SLR is still in the pipeline for Pentax. Unless the advanced compact camera they have coming out next is a complete flop, we should see the SLR in about a calendar year
@greycon21Ай бұрын
a F1 fan? notice the Monaco shirt. i have been there. magical place.
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
Big time. Love the red team, but I'm really sad that Carlos is being forced out!
@BonseesАй бұрын
Haha thanks for the shoutout~ I preordered the Film Never Die camera pre-kickstart idk what that means for me 🥲 I’d like a premium point & shoot~
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
Anytime, buddy!
@adamson3748Ай бұрын
A reboot of the GR film camera will be a hit ..if Pentax is more picky about the quality and endurance of the camera components (the original ones had a limited lifespan according to Daido Moriyama...) and if success brings a GR21 and then a MX ...imagine this triggers Nikon with a come back of the 28TI and a FM4 (a FM3 with a HP finder)
@LesterBeasleyАй бұрын
The Pentax 17 didn't excite me but a GR style camera sounds like a camera that interests me.
@louford1952Ай бұрын
A new analog GR1 would be a dream ❤
@mynewcolourАй бұрын
I’d seriously consider both a GR and the Widelux.
@idostuffofficial7 күн бұрын
What if instead of making new cameras the better the making process of film so it’s cheaper
@adrianemikkoАй бұрын
Hope that the new widelux cures my yearning for Xpan
@maniktakesphotosАй бұрын
Didn’t Pentax say the next camera was an SLR? I wouldn’t mind a Ricoh-esque new point and shoot though
@abdulkadir1990Ай бұрын
the nana is not a new camera and its also not premium. dig a bit deeper and you find out that its probably a recased cheap chinese pns.
@robblincoln2152Ай бұрын
Perhaps after the Pentax project has worked its way through all 4 35mm cameras on its docket they will produce a 6x9 220 film SLR along the lines of the 67ii. Doesn’t need to be all metal, doesn’t need to be all mechanical, does need to produce big, classic, sharp negatives
@WillJaureguiАй бұрын
would love a new film Ricoh GR that prints date lol
@TungstenOvergaardАй бұрын
Film Ricoh GR… take my money NOW!!
@jujuespino1374Ай бұрын
The gr film cameras are notorious for breaking
@PokhrajRoy.Ай бұрын
‘Film Never Die’ is a name that goes hard
@walkingoutdoor6620Ай бұрын
The FilmNeverDies camera is a cheap redesign of all the other point and shoots with flash for 30€/$... the price is a joke.
@user-uf4sg1gl3uАй бұрын
What about Alfie??
@PokhrajRoy.Ай бұрын
7:02 Literal blued eyed boy of photography discourse
@PokhrajRoy.Ай бұрын
7:00 Omg remember red eyes in photos? Simpler times. And then I was shook when iPhone had that red eye removal feature.
@mudcudАй бұрын
These companies should have dumped the money into the film not the cameras we have plenty of good cameras
@cammackeyАй бұрын
Your channel is getting to big to make videos like this bro, you’re going to inflate all the prices. This is bad for the film community.
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
These cameras aren’t even out 😐
@cammackeyАй бұрын
@@Overexposed1I’m kidding.
@abdulkadir1990Ай бұрын
you should take alook at the alfie camera project :)
@juho1057Ай бұрын
Ricoh GR has a APS-C sensor, it's size/form is not suitable for 35mm film camera, etc. They could do "GR 35" but they would have to make it basicly from the scratch.
@Overexposed1Ай бұрын
The original GR was literally 35mm
@juho1057Ай бұрын
@@Overexposed1 Duh, my bad. I didn't even know there was a film version of GR prior to digital one :)