Why Piastri has rejected Alpine by Peter Windsor

Although he has yet to race an F1 car, 2021 FIA F2 Champion, Oscar Piastri, today extraordinarily rejected the chance to race for Alpine F1 in 2023. In this video, Peter Windsor, speaking live to the Radio RSN 927 Breakfast Show in Melbourne, talks about the events leading up to Piastri's decision; about why Piastri now seems likely to replace his fellow Aussie, Daniel Ricciardo, at McLaren; about why Ricciardo holds the contractual cards - and about how it all might be sorted in the medium-term.
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[@HoopleHeadUSA]

The Ferrari strategists are handling Alpine press releases during summer break

[@mrbig1022]

XD

[@joselerebours4171]

Jajajajaj clearly they are

[@cronistamundano8189]

lmao

[@PlanB0179]

Ferrari strategists needed to practice and Alpine wanted to be a buddy and help out. So they gave them the press release role thinking they couldn’t possibly mess that up too. Never underestimate the ability of a Ferrari strategist.

[@racegod69]

Strotogy

[@seashackf1]

There is a key fact about the timing that no one has mentioned. FA and Webber have been great friends for a long time. Did FA wait to announce to help out Mark and Oscar?

[@BobGeogeo]

Bingo!

[@LisztyLiszt]

Possibly, but it also relied on the AM seat opening up in the first place, so they would've had to get a lot of balls rolling and quickly. And I can't imagine Vettel was going to do any favours for Webber.

[@hbeerman372]

Mabey its the other way arround ,Fernando was screwed by ocon .,alpine did nothing alonso said bye, told Webber and Webber said piastri does not Go to Alpine.

[@seashackf1]

@@LisztyLiszt FA and Stroll have been talking for a while. Otmar even admitted to knowing about it. This whole thing didn’t just happen in 4 days. Now, maybe it was contingent upon Seb leaving. The deal could have been finalized over the weekend, and just waited a couple of days, Aug 1st, to announce it.

[@jamesantill5065]

I wondered about the Webber/FA friendship myself too!

[@garybarbati]

Indy Car and the U.S. would fall in love with Daniel. I've heard this potential partnership mentioned during an Indy Car race broadcast. We have also seen Daniel's affinity for the U.S.. It seems like the move would be a nice reset for his career. If he does well and ,theoretically, is given one last shot at an F1 seat somewhere, he would return with rejuvenated confidence, which is something that currently seems to be lacking. Having a reset might be just the thing he needs.

[@Cloxxki]

He can afford to buy his own team in Indycar. Be an owner driver. If he brings in sponsors, he still earns some.

[@sqd8r]

True and Daniel loves the states. He could definitely stay with MAC and carry on in the USA, and win a title.

[@sz5876]

He's comes off as so dumb though lol. Ericsson is a very smart guy, and I appreciate that.

[@dukcy7450]

@@sz5876 Daniel would trounce Ericsson in indycar, plus he would just need to win the 500, and the title for that matter, and find a WEC drive and he’d look poised for the triple crown

[@herewegoagain7403]

his f1 career is over. there is no more "one last shot"

[@danellis-jones1591]

This is why it's great to watch you. I've been looking around social media about this and you're the only one who knew Alpine had missed the deadline to take up Piastri. Which would mean talks of a legal battle are probably wrong because it's pretty cut and dry that Alpine have no case

[@mathieugoulutbunel106]

Well, the observers assume Alpine missed the deadline for the option. Nobody knows for sure. Generally these options expires at the end of July (in France we talk about the 31st of july being the deadline, not the 1st of august), but although it's very likely that it is the case, i don't believe anyone has proof of that yet... so the term "knowing" is a bit strong. That being said, i very much believe as well that Alpine did mess up and missed the deadline, due to too much confidence in Nando's contract extension.

[@frontrowviews]

If Piastri ends up going to McLaren I think people should keep in mind that McLaren has to fill 2 more seats next year with their new Formula E team, which would explain their ‘overhiring’ of drivers lately. Maybe there will be some shuffling around within all the McLaren line-ups

[@jason78981]

yea it seems rosenqvist is signed on a "flexible contract" where he is signed to drive for mclaren team wherever zak decides and it seems he will end up in formula e myself

[@frontrowviews]

@Drew Fleck Vandoorne, Buemi, Massa, Vergne, the list goes on….

[@Franz.]

@@frontrowviews most recently, Giovinazzi

[@Euclides287]

McLaren seems to be the obvious choice. But it wouldn't surprise me if *Helmut Marko* got in touch with Webber to offer Oscar a seat at Alpha Tauri as a path to Red Bull in *2024* when Checo's deal ends.

[@nocompromesso]

Christian Horner and Helmut Marko sticking it to Renault would be poetic.

[@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044]

Mark Webber and Helmut Marko aren't buddies. Webber's not doing him any favors.

[@Micfri300]

Thus liberating gasly the problem child can go to alpine and without compensation.

[@Micfri300]

@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 they don't have to be. Marko can recognise talent.

[@InfinityX2]

That is my speculation as well. RB seems a better bet than McLaren to win races and a WDC

[@Appetite4Rose]

Really appreciate your commitment to F1 with the late upload

[@gregderise9969]

There’s nothing like listening to the analysis that Peter Windsor gives to a situation with his vast level of experience and skilled observations of drivers and how their talents could best be used by what team. Really enjoy listening to his explanations.

[@batialexis9339]

This guy is worth millions on knowledge and he's so fcking chad that he shares for free on his channel. Sometimes we are so unaware of the gifts of life.

[@carls-95]

You can tell Piastri is going to be a real alpha dog driver... Effectively telling an F1 team no, you're not good enough, before even being in F1. Confidence if i've ever seen it, love it!

[@username8878]

I'm confused about it though because alpine seem like they could be pretty good long term

[@frankellis9627]

I don't know about that. He might be shooting himself in the foot 😎

[@An.Individual]

There have been a few drivers come through with championships in lower formula and then flop in F1. I'm looking forward to seeing how he fares next year.

[@louiscypher4186]

@@username8878 It's not Alpine's ability, the issue is they ignored him. The fact that Alpine's boss said he had no idea that Alonso was jumping ship shows Piastri being promoted was not on the cards to drive for Alpine next year. The longer your a reserve driver the less likely you are to get a promotion, Oscar should have been on the grid for them in 2021 and instead he was heading into 2023 as test driver. Also the fact that they didn't know Alonso and Piastri both wanted out shows there's still serious issues with managing their drivers. Everyone blamed Riccardo when Renault didn't see it coming now it's Alonso and Piastri in one year? Alpine need to fire whoever is managing their driver program. 3 drivers in as many years is a disaster they've lost a mover of merch, a modern legend and one of the most promising rookies on paper and the driver they are banking it all on is managed by rival team with it's own aging legend.

[@anydaynow01]

@@username8878 Yeah it will be interesting to see what the new engine formula will bring, and unless you're driving for an engine constructor the chances of winning are almost nil, well unless you have Newey in charge of making your chassis.

[@Jay-nk6dm]

Ricciardo back to alpine would be interesting. a weird reunion for sure, but they would go on a revenge tour of sorts against mclaren/lando/piastri. would be a great storyline. and considering the last time we saw daniel at his best was during the renault year, it makes sense he could get back to that.

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

not to mention Daniel & Lando get along about as well as dogs and fireworks, that was a pairing that was doomed to fail from the start, makes sense that McLaren wants to get Daniel out but apparently there is a possibility he goes to McLaren-Arrows to race in IndyCar.

[@Jay-nk6dm]

@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 yeah i remember everyone hyping it up as being the funniest pair of drivers on the grid but i knew that lando would not take well to daniel. and it turns out they dont get along at all, a shame. i doubt ricciardo goes to indycar, he still likes f1, and unlike grosjean and others hes still fast and a good personality

[@ketsune23]

I would prefer to see Gasly on Alpine tbh.

[@danieljimenez1989]

This is a power move by Piastri. Hopefully it will work out for him. If I was Zak, I'd let Ricciardo go to some other team, or else just pay him not to race. If Piastri works out, it's a win, if he doesn't, nothing is lost.

[@anirudhnatesan191]

25 million dollars is lost even if Zak allows him to go to another team. That is a huge sum of money even for Formula 1

[@TheMrsomedude456]

Nothing is lost? He needs to pay Ricciardo

[@stephen2282]

nothing is lost if piastri succeeds at McLaren. if not i cant imagine him running back to Alpine thats why i say Oscar's statement seems a bit too brash and short-sighted

[@thetraveldrunk]

As far as Oscar knew, Alpine weren't taking up the option on him.. so he was negotiating with other teams. Sounds more like Alpine have dropped the ball.

[@Jimboken1]

"If Piastri works out, it's a win, if he doesn't, nothing is lost"....except for $25 million.

[@franksmith6897]

The question is what kind of Machiavellian plot is Zak Brown hatching? McLaren is at the center of this craziness with Palou and Piastri.

[@duckrutt]

Zak is collecting drivers with a P in their name. Pato, Palou, Piastri. Sauber better watch out or they'll have Pourchaire too.

[@PENTASTIC25]

It feels like he's pulling a Helmut Marko and bookmarking as many drivers as he can for the top job. If they don't pan out, send them off to another McLaren project in a different category...

[@anirbanc999]

The day Hamilton retires it all falls apart for Brown.

[@jfv65]

@@anirbanc999 very unlikely. HAM wants his 8th WDC title, really badly. He wants to become the GOAT. And he wants to beat Max because of the Jeddah-2021-humiliation. It's a personal vendetta. You can pick up this vibe whenever HAM talks about Max and when they are together in the cooldown room after a race. They respect eachother's skills as a racer but HAM does NOT like Max on a interpersonal level, not at all. On top of that: Recently the Mercedes cars are getting better again. IMO HAM will stick around. He WANTS that 8th title.

[@98MTBiker]

@@jfv65 But still as soon as he retires, Mercedes needs a driver and Ocon missed his chance. So Norris will replace Hamilton 100%. Gasly's stock is dropping so it won't be him either.

[@Lance_Lough]

Peter Windsor's explanations and prognostications aren't always correct, but they are always interesting, well-informed, and quite likely..

[@FriedDoggy]

His reasoning with why Ricciardo leaving red bull was pure idiocy and revisionist history.

[@z24-p8e]

@@FriedDoggy Nah its true, and it will become truer. No one would have left RB for Renault because the team is favoring the other driver. His ego couldn't handle a youbg Max beating his, the supposed veteran. He left at the perfect time, because due to bad luck, it wasn't really evident to the general public who is the faster driver( even tho he knew), had he stayed one year more, Max would've obliterated him. Hell, 18 yr old Max at 2016 matched his performance in his debut season. Ricciardo finished 30 sth points ahead, but considering Max's 2 dnfs and the fact that he drove 4 races for AT evens it out. He would've beaten Ric in 2017, his performances being evident from the races he finished, if no lor reliability issues. So,all the Ric fans can suck dick when he ran from a fight which he won't admit, so continue coping.

[@stevetackett581]

@@FriedDoggy yes, and while I respect his knowledge his snooty attitude toward certain drivers and his constant sniffing are annoying. Like, dude, blow your nose.

[@Drrolfski]

At 11:18: Mclaren didn't go from Honda to Mercedes when Zak Brown took over. They went from Honda to Renault actually and stayed there for 3 years.

[@michaelpolissky]

This was all timed perfectly, knowing that Alonso & Webber are best friends...lol

[@FormulaJuan75]

Piastri rejecting F1 teams without actually being in F1 lmao

[@tuna5618]

it's called being a chad

[@PresidentScrooge]

@@tuna5618 Well, he is managed by ChinChad Mark Webber

[@fincarosa]

Obviously Piastri is in F1, it just hadn't been made public yet

[@Hudcrudder]

incredible rizz

[@elcordinho2202]

Regarding Gasly: Alpine would definitely be a step up for him I feel. TR for me really is one of the smallest teams + 2 French drivers in a French team … would be a good fit.

[@hussainahmed8108]

Gasly and Ocon apparently hate each other.

[@coolboygoldi]

gasly and ocon dont like eachother

[@andrewdakus1766]

@@hussainahmed8108 I think it's less that gasly and ocon don't like each other and more that no one likes ocon

[@samuel_338]

@@andrewdakus1766 apart from Stroll of all people..

[@hoangatngo1811]

@@samuel_338 Actually he's friend with Stroll, Mick and Seb

[@kieferclarkf1674]

Man, Flavio trained Webber and Alonso well.

[@claywoolcock3034]

Pete - I’d disagree with the perspective on why Danny left RBR. A combination of RBR clearly favouring one side of the garage despite evidence showing they were pretty evenly matched - the lead up to the incident in Baku in 2018 showed Daniel being quite fair in battling with Max; Honda being a massive unknown going into 2019; Renault being on the up in 2018 with lots of promise going into 2019. It was a fair choice, but a risky one. And the risks proved to be too far. So in retrospect no, Danny should not have left RBR but at the time it was not as silly an idea as it sounds now.

[@rezaahjappie6044]

Ricciardo ONLY beat Max in 2017 on points with Max winning 2 races and Ricciardo winning 1 race … this while Max was still a teenager. In 2018 Max beat Ricciardo by over 60 points and Qualifying it was 13-9 and 15-7 in Max favour from 2017-18. Many people don’t realize how daunting it was for Max to go to a top team in RB midway through a season in 2016 and immediately outshone Ricciardo by winning his 1st race for them and then putting on that absolute masterclass in Brazil in the rain outclassing Ricciardo and even overtaking Rosberg in the dominant Mercedes. If Ricciardo has to stay at RB another year with Max improving at a rate of knots and probably embarrassing Ricciardo he would never have been able to command such a big salary like he did at Renault and subsequently at McLaren.

[@gianlucadorsi9781]

@@rezaahjappie6044 You forgot to include the amount of times Daniel had reliability issues for 2018, but I still believe he was beaten by Max due to Daniel being inconsistent.

[@randar1969]

It's easy to judge what was the better option on hindsight and also you never know what happened if he had stayed perhaps he wouldn't be an f1 driver or he would be better off you never will know with 'What If'

[@claywoolcock3034]

@@rezaahjappie6044 Max won his first race for RBR after the team messed up Danny’s strategy. He was fast but it wasn’t exactly as if he blew Danny away right away. And 2018 saw a large number of mechanical issues for Danny in the second half of the season. I agree - Max would have been the dominant force in the team, however Danny was still better than any other driver RBR have had since in terms of relative pace to Max. Danny had runs on the board as one of the top 3 drivers in F1, and Ferrari and Mercedes seemed hesitant to give him a contract as they already had number 1 drivers n their teams and did not want to rock the boat with them by bringing Danny in. In fairness, based on form and results at the time, Danny should have got the Mercedes seat that went to Bottas or the Ferrari seat that went to Leclerc, and later Sainz. He was a case of a fast driver up for contract at the wrong time. I can’t explain what the issue is with McLaren though. I think a fresh start wouldn’t be the worst outcome for him…

[@declankerin5765]

Red Bull don't pay their drivers the going rate, historically. As the #2 driver he was getting a pittance, comparatively. He got a big signing bonus (IIRC, $10m) on top of his much more representative salary. And he didn't have Max as a teammate.

[@ddb2029]

If Alonso extended his contract Alpine would have lost out on Piastri anyway, so this was just conformation for Piastri that Alonso was 1st choice and Piastri is always going to get a seat at other teams so he leaves a team that doesn’t have faith in him.

[@Kornn66]

Yeah Alpine did everything wrong. I think Alonso got mad that Alpine said hes too old and they can only offer 1+1 coz they feat he gets slow in 1 year. Then they let Piastri look for a seat from other teams. What Alpine should have done is sign Piastri early this year as they didnt think Alonso can drive for long anyway.

[@muzzmatrix]

For me it is better to listen/watch Peter Windsor than watch Sky Sports' FP & qualifying coverage.

[@xylosforkids5357]

I love Ricciardo- but he's got to go. Pull an Alonso- take time off win races around the world- come back w that big smile down the road a bit. Good Luck Badger.

[@steveetienne]

He's finished.

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

Daniel Ricciardo isn't Fernando Alonso!

[@Micfri300]

I'd rather keep Riccardo and not have tsnuoda stroll zhou tbh.

[@freddiefreihofer7716]

I'm tired of that toothy grin.

[@Loki-sk7bi]

He’s done. He can only live off of his 2014 reputation for so long. His luck has run out along with his talent.

[@the_lost_navigator7266]

"the McLaren is difficult to drive and unpredictable" - Lando Norris (after quali on Saturday). It made me wonder how well a replacement driver would do in that current McLaren?? We may find out....

[@halofreak1990]

"the McLaren is difficult to drive and unpredictable" Funny, that was also part of the criticisms leveled at the 2020 Red Bull, mainly from Gasly and Albon, but to a lesser extent also Max, and this is something Red Bull worked hard on for their 2021 challenger.

[@freddiefreihofer7716]

And those words are from Lando, who has mastered the car as far as one can.

[@PENTASTIC25]

This whole situation feels just like Red Bull's dilemma, so get as many drivers on your list for the job (Palou, O'Ward, Rosenqvist, Piastri) in case your first option (Ricciardo) doesn't work. Let's see how this plays out

[@declankerin5765]

I have no doubt that Mark has had a good look around at Alpine with the extensive testing program that Oscar has had with Alpine. Mark knows what a good team looks like from the inside from his days at Red Bull with Adrian Newey and Christian Horner. Fernando & Mark Webber still remain very good friends. I'm sure he has talked at length with Fernando about the inner workings of the team, he's seen enough to say this is a team in decline and it would be better for your career to be driving elsewhere. And/Or, there appears to be cancerous personalities in management that they are being warned to steer clear of. Individually, Alain Prost, Fernando Alonso and Oscar Piastri are big losses and they lost all 3 inside of 7 months. And Marcin Budkowski. Further, I'm not sure how Fernando continues with Alpine at all this season - a handshake over a beer isn't going to fix this. His trust with management is broken beyond repair and I can't help but feel the engineers and mechanic's morale will be at an all-time low.

[@Matisse14]

If Alpine loses over McLaren this season with losing Alonso to Aston and Piastri to McLaren, it might be very damaging for the moral of the team

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Alonso no longer needs to play the team game. He has a good history of going rogue and delivering great results.

[@mrRTvids]

I doubt there are less egos in Aston Martin and around the Lawrence Stroll management lol

[@pakkinen]

seeing how alpine has treated Alonso, last example being the Hungarian GP, I can understand Alonso moving out from a team working against him. He already had that in 2007...

[@weofnjieofing]

The cancerous personality is Laurent Rossi. He's shafted Alain Prost, Alonso and now Piastri through supreme narcissism. Rossi needs to get the chop.

[@snafu22]

I really hope Dan goes back to Alpine, the red mist will come over him and he’ll spend all of his energy crushing Mclaren and showing what talent he still has.

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

It's not gonna be as easy as you think, firstly because Renault-Alpine changed a lot structurally and there's no guarantee things are going to run smoothly towards the top, secondly because Ocon is a completely different animal compared to the driver he was in 2020!

[@dnash2131]

doubtful

[@fokjohnpainkiller]

@UCwgwbo0WgURFWUUFAXBvQyA Brutal, and real. Piastri and Norris will DESTROY them

[@bryce6985]

Yeah I think this would be the best outcome for Dan. He seemed to have a car under him at alpine he could work with. He's got more in the tank I think and it would be a real shame for him to leave F1 with a whimper and without choice.

[@Shawn_M]

The team principal at alpine seemed genuinely hurt that Daniel left on DtS. Not sure he’d be welcomed back

[@pyrho1]

Feel bad for Daniel. He's a great talent. Wish he'd never had left RB. Even Christian Horner wanted him back before Perez signed.

[@cathh3301]

@kieran finney Red Bull wasn’t the top car when he was there. But he was still a top 4 driver in 2020 in a Renault!

[@tima7598]

@@cathh3301 top 5*

[@jord1215]

@kieran finney I mean look at Lewis

[@VanCough]

I feel bad for him too, but this was his own doing. He had one of the best cars and choose his ego and the bag. Then he gave Renault just a year and a half before giving up on them. Now neither does he have a good car and nor is he top dog in his new team anyway.

[@the_fleeing_dutchman]

He didn't/couldn't stay with RB coz Max was out performing him. He had to leave when people still thought he was an ace driver so he could cash in which he has done. McLaren are paying him more then Lando who is consistently outperforming Daniel. Time's up in F1 for DR, he won't be missed..

[@overtherehere3050]

I think Daniel should go back to the open seat at Alpine. His driving style worked there last time. He just doesn’t agree with the McLaren car for whatever reason. I think Alpine could get him for a steal of a price, sub $10 million as opposed to $50 million deal last time. Give him a one year deal. I really think it’s worth a try over some unproven rookie. His brand and likability are still very high as well.

[@johnstirling6597]

Jack Doohan for Alpine!

[@mackamotorsport2593]

@@johnstirling6597 🤣 Jacks not ready for f1. Not even close

[@johnstirling6597]

@@mackamotorsport2593 Liam Lawson? not an Aussi, but close enough. 😁😁

[@eyeamtim]

Excellent interview and interesting times for all involved

[@garyandthebat]

I am guessing both Alonso and Piastri's contract options for 2023 expired on 31 July. Neither of them were renewed by then and they both had a plan B and have exited stage right. Alonso probably thought they were going to put Piastri in the car for 2023 and Piastri probably thought Alonso was getting the drive. Szafnauer has monumentally stuffed up and will need to get Ricciardo back now. Regardless I expect he will get the sack.

[@willscoolmusiclist]

Excellent vid. With all the crazy talk you put it together simply and with spelt out reason and always with your experience as a reference but also just saying it as your own opinion. Fantastic! Such an invaluable source of all things F1 and racing

[@ridelove13]

This is F1 i love it

[@gionnbharra]

If Piastri beat's Lando like his junior career suggests he's booked a first class ticket to a top 3 team and left Lando as damaged goods. No matter how badly he batters Ocon all he will get is a Well Done, and Keep it Up sticker.

[@kityhawk2000]

not sure if there's a spot at a top 3 team right now

[@edwardstables5153]

Lando is no slouch, he's one of the top drivers on the grid right now. Piastri has had a year out and lacks 3 years of experience compared to Lando. If he comes in and wipes the floor with Lando then he would be an absolutely generational talent like none we've seen before. Piastri looks like he'll be good, but no way he's that good.

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

@@kityhawk2000 Not in the near future, but certainly in a couple of years! If, as a rookie, he manages to match (or even beat) Lando Norris, he will earn a damn good ticket in the future!

[@E7Suspect]

@@edwardstables5153 ‘like one we have not seen before’ what?

[@Jaredscott89]

@@kityhawk2000 It wouldn't be right now though. It would be for the 25 season.

[@_TenaciousD_]

If RIC can't get on top of the McLaren car and dominate I'd rather see him leave and not continue to damage his legacy in F1. But the best move I think for RIC is to go and drive for the McLaren Indycar team, he loves the US and I think those cars and style of racing would really suit RIC.

[@mixerguru]

He shouldgt swap with colten for an indycar spot and he could win in any Indy car as opposed to only 3maybe 4 cars that would ever win an f1 race. Ehile he does that invest i to being team principal for a supercross team since he is way over payed for an f1 driver he males more than the entire gate in supercross

[@jimw6659]

In hindsight, you were completely wrong with your “understanding” and the August option take-up date as Piastri signed in July.

[@curnath]

What I don't understand is Piastri's response sounding so final. 'I will not be driving for Alpine next year.' Seems like one hell of a risk to take, hoping that your talent is enough to convince McLaren to pay you to drive AND Ricciardo not to, if you don't already have a deal in place. Especially for someone who hasn't even been in F1. Wouldn't you at least kind of leave that door open? Is the difference in performance between McLaren and Alpine really big enough to warrant the risk of getting neither?

[@Wrtvrxgvcf55]

very well said.

[@jean-claudechucklee7911]

This is a bold move from Webber's management, but I remember him as a driver with no guts. I wouldn't put too much faith in a Bottas management team (if he had one) or Webber's. Imagine being bold with someone else's career but yielding to team orders like a coward to keep your drive at Red Bull when you were younger and arguably more rebellious. SMH

[@zinion70]

Ocon, a good driver, got a long-term deal (because he is french). Alonso and Piastri, star-level drivers, only got offered 1 year deals. Of course they left.

[@Abisanth11]

9:50 I think Daniel just wanted to build a team around him like Schumacher or Hamilton did. He knew he would be the number two driver at Red Bull, so he decided to leave. In hindsight it was obviously the wrong decision for Daniel but for example who would’ve thought that Lewis would be this successful with Mercedes? He took a gamble to switch to Mercedes from established team like McLaren and it worked out fantastically.

[@mro9466]

i'd rather see Daniel jump from one team to another than become the next Bottas !

[@DdPk3d]

Peter I would like to add on the talks of gasly at alpine, gasly and ocon do not get along well so it will be a nightmare to have both of then in the same team.

[@Cookivirus]

That was when they were teens They obviously still don't get along but they respect and tolerate each other now They are adults

[@willyhwang1059]

daniel won't go away easily. for the simple fact that playing hardball will net him more money and protect his reputation

[@andrewmetcalfe9898]

‘Only’ McLaren? Really? How about a 3-5 year deal with Sauber on the back of Audi acquiring that team. Bottas is on a multi year deal, but Zhou is/was on loan from Alpine.

[@MichaelEze]

I was waiting for this all evening. Thank you

[@wynian01]

Daniel realised he might get to win a couple of races but Max and Helmut were not going to let him win a championship. ask Mark Webber how RB work.

[@gordonwallin2368]

That was fun, like an pre-silly season chat. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

[@tupublicoful]

Sounds like the perfect timing for McLaren to launch their Indy team with Daniel. Everyone gets to save face.

[@Sonu666]

Alonso & Webber cooked something up since they’re best mates 🤣 Alonso was about to announce him going to Aston Martin long back..it was already decided Seb was going to retired but it wasn’t official. Remember Flavio posting a picture of Seb on his Instagram stories during the French GP? and that picture of Alonso hugging Seb as well? It was all part of El-Plan. I was posting it on Alpine IG comments since then itself “Alonso to Aston Martin” but no one cared or thought I’m on crack 😂🤣😂

[@amaccama3267]

I just hope that he's not biting the hand that feeds him.

[@wraitheful]

Forgot about Pourchaire - there’s him and Schwartzman from Ferrari.

[@robertm5969]

Many people are acting like Daniel is an atrocious driver when he's been able to beat many top notch drivers. It may come down to simply being unable to adapt to the driving style of the McLaren. I think his best option is to go back to Alpine on a 1+1.

[@Kornn66]

I dont think Alpine want him back after how he left.

[@robertm5969]

@@Kornn66 how did he leave? I thought he was on good terms with Abiteboul even after the departure

[@paulanthonynelson2733]

Thanks Peter. Nice to hear your thoughts as ever, and further to that, your candid articulation of matters that are Formula One. Greers from Australia, hope your enjoying the summer, also i hope you are observing the glory in progress that is Will Power being a single Pole Position away from equalling Mario for the all-time Indycar record. Indeed, if Im not mistaken, he is also a single Race Win away from equalling Michael Andretti on 42 Race Wins, which is about ten wins shy of Scott Dixon and the all-time Win list. You saw it was 20 years to get a Mark Webber after Alan Jones, and since 2013, Australia has had drivers for the worlds premier openwheelers ready to go off the production line! Well, Scott Mclaughlin we will put in our basket and claim credit for as an Aussie stateside, but such a fortunate racefannI feel I am to have had Mark, then Dan with his Spa, Monaco and Monza Race Wins, and Will Power with an Indycar Cjampionship followed more importantly with that 2018 Win which fullfilled me just like a Senna win once did. And now we have such potential glory to rejoice upon as Aussie openwheel racefans with the deployment of our next man Piastri. Dans Monza win...we've been most fortunate racefans to have had Dan, he made his mark and his wins left us elated like Marks did, and like Will Powers. For me this elation was only ever experienced watching Senna victories in highschool (an Ayrton disciple is how I describe the Senna cult workship of my late-teen years) We have Properly Enjoyed seeing the unreachable glories for Aussie Racecar drivers become reachable in the 35 years as a single-seater Fanatic.* (* there is no in between here, people in Australia mostly dont know, dont care, and dont care to know about the premier single-seat racing catagories of Indy and F1, or, they alternatively are, Fanatics. In all seriousness, you dont watch live F1 races until 2am or watch the Indy 500 get underway at 3am Sydney time and do this without being a Fanatic as the general public describes us to be. Cheers Pete,, thanks again for posting this guest appearance of yours on Melbourne Radio. Ciao!

[@15DEAN1995]

I wasn't watching when riccardo was at red bull. He must've been unbelievable, people still talk about him in high regards even after the last two years.

[@mattah]

He was good at Alpine too. Consistently outperformed Ocon and got reasonable results in a car that seemed off the pace.

[@garythefishable]

Ricciardo was considered by many to be the best driver on the grid not to have a world championship. He destroyed a prime Vettel in his own team and was the only guy who ever caused Max problems in the same car. On paper he should have eaten Lando alive but it's not worked out that way. If you told me Daniel's career would have been ended by a twitch streamer during his Red Bull peak I would have laughed in your face but here we are... He turned from a Rosberg into a Perez/Bottas and nobody can honestly give a good enough explanation why.

[@15DEAN1995]

@@garythefishable dam thats the ebst explanation ive heard and it gives me a glimpse of what people saw

[@sqd8r]

God I love this channel. Best F1 or sporting channel, ever.

[@J5L5M6]

When legitimate industry experience meets gentleman demeanor.

[@Cloxxki]

While McLaren appear to have snatched up Piastri for the seat next to Lando, after Piastri only proved himself against kids who barely shave yet, McLaren have in Indycar and associated with F1 potential : Alex Paula (reigning champ), Pato O'Ward and Colton Herta. All won multiple races against super established veterans in unchanged cars. How would Zak know that Piastri is better than all those three? Let alone at driving his diva of an F1 car?

[@freyalove3831]

Piastri still a kid.

[@NateFenix]

The Marcus Ericsson tweet I guess was more of a joke. Here's the full tweet: "After Alonso’s “middle finger to Alpine switch” this is how the rest of @F1 silly season will play out: Alpine Ocon-Gasly AlphaT Schumacher-Tsunoda Mclaren Norris-Piastri AlfaR Bottas-Zhou Haas Mag-Ricciardo Williams Albon-De Vries It’s called Silly season for a reason 😜"

[@stephen2282]

I heard that there was a clause in Piastri's contract that obliged him to take up the call to the seat... even then it does seem weird that Oscar is actively burning a bridge when he probably didnt need to. even if he is confident in getting that McLaren seat next year, there is no need to be so outward with it, I call it bad PR at best, almost over-reactive. And i understand that he thought he had to say something but I wonder if he even consulted Mark before airing this on twitter. Peter, I thought you of all people would see the tactless from Piasti's execution. (edit) yea guys i understand that alpine just as dumb in this situation, I'm not debating that. I'm just saying that, without having insiders knowledge of the contract discussions, it seems like piastri is risking shooting himself in the foot here. Remember its not like he's just saying we haven't finished discussions and came to an agreement (and alpine is just talking out of their asses), he actively closing an option that was available to him pretty much for no reason.

[@chrismdb5686]

I wouldn't call it burning a bridge at all, particularly if Alpine hadn't even bothered to reach out to Piastri or his agent prior to posting that. They should be smart enough to do the basics before making an announcement like that, and if they aren't it's a really great sign that he shouldn't be going there.

[@Wrtvrxgvcf55]

completely agree. why not send them a private message asking them to retract? Also, other teams are watching and I'm willing to bet that they're going to be less likely to give oscar some slack. if he wants everything to be contractual then the teams will happily give it to him.

[@doicounttoo6861]

"I heard that there was a clause in Piastri's contract that obliged him to take up the call to the seat.." unless they failed to offer him the seat before August 1. Which seems to be another clause in the contract.

[@OblivionCreator]

Almost as tactless as putting out a statement saying you've signed a driver before speaking with that driver?

[@maus6263]

@@Wrtvrxgvcf55 Alpine made it public, w/out asking him!!!! Why be so gentle? Same coin side!

[@richardhintonracing]

Peter, have you noticed a distinct accent change with many more Australian notes than we are used to - I wonder if it is sub conscious on this conversation - most definitely there .

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

The big shots at Alpine are idiots. Alpine had 3 drivers: Alonso, Piastri and Ocon. They gave Ocon (a good driver) a long term contract, but tried to keep their star drivers (Alonso and Piastri) on short term contracts. Alpine in 2023 and 2024 should have had Alonso and Piastri with Ocon loaned to Williams.

[@DaFinkingOrk]

Maybe because he's French Renault ordered it and they had no choice. Unlike the other big four teams they lack a "B-team" where they could have put Piastri this year to keep him within the team and see how he does in F1. But yeah, when you've got an all-time great who's still in top form in Fernando, a new guy who's career history is unbelievably good and might be the next best driver on the grid in Piastri, you lose them both and the driver you prioritise the most and only one you keep is very good but easily the weakest of the three, it's strange.

[@samay5902]

@@DaFinkingOrk who's the fourth big team?

[@Bramfly]

I don’t think one could call Piastri a F1 star driver yet. F2 & F3 star driver yes.

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

@@Bramfly When Russell joined Williams immediately after winning F3 and F2, he was offered a multi-year contract. Piastri won F2 and F3 just like Russell did, but was NOT offered a seat in 2022. Worse, Alpine only offered him a 1 yr contract somewhere, with the promise that when Alonso retires next year, they MIGHT bring him to Alpine. Russell was treated right by Mercedes when they loaned him to Williams. Alpine treated Piastri very poorly. Lando was also treated well by McLaren, and so was Leclerc by Ferrari. Neither Lando, Leclerc or Russell were made to sit out for one year followed by a loan promise to the least performing team on the grid. Piastri has every right to be pissed with Alpine.

[@rocinante4609]

Stunning news ! As a fellow Melbournian Im happy to see Piastri going to a more competitive team but I can see fireworks starting at Mclaren pretty soon. This is arguably an even bigger shock news than Alo going to AM.

[@carisi2k11]

Daniel isn't Mclaren's problem. Zak Brown is and he is proving this at Walkingshaw Andretti United here in Australia as well. I had no issue with Daniel leaving Red Bull to go to Renault but I did have an issue with him leaving Renault to go to Mclaren. I suspected this outcome was going to happen and I found it funny that Daniel was leaving a team that he was starting to gel with and he was beating ocon easily to join Mclaren which got lucky in Monza. Mclaren still have the same ills from there recent Honda era still I believe.

[@alexanderg1935]

I think there's some truth in that. It also wasn't a million years ago that Mclaren were infamous for their hellish team culture. That being said, Ricciardo just doesn't have the F1 edge anymore.

[@iamarobotninja]

That's true Peter, Daniel loves everything he does. He wouldn't criticize himself

[@noizy514]

McLaren signs Piastri for 2023, and Ricciardo as their test/reserve driver so he can drive around the Las Vegas track in FP1.

[@netgenrb]

I find it interesting that no one has mentioned any Indycar options related to recent developments. There are at least three drivers in the series with significant aspirations, Herta, O'ward, and Palou (signed to McLaren possibly). Lots of room at the table now -

[@AlistairMaxwell77]

looks like they are all out in the cold now with oscar taking the seat

[@dmurphy1578]

Marcus Erickson has it all on twitter. Hasn’t been wrong yet. It’s going to be a horror show at McLaren with Riccardo.

[@dopy8418]

This is the best youtube channel on Formula 1 so far…

[@jackgenewtf]

Given Daniel's history, Haas seems like a natural next step...

[@BobGeogeo]

Kimi, Fernando, maybe Daniel... I like them all as people but going back down the ladder for big bucks seems to be the pattern.

[@Abhishek-qj2iz]

@@BobGeogeo Only difference here is Alonso and Kimi are world champions. And DR is doing this before really winning anything 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TByrom]

Thanks a million for sharing, Peter

[@AlejandroBetancourtweb]

What if the move is not Piastri to McLaren but to AlphaTauri due to Webber's ties with Red Bull? Thus ejecting Tsunoda, a pilot who really hasn't proved he belongs in F1 anyway? And then if he does a better 2023 season than Perez could be ever closer than a RB drive.

[@KaneRaduXD]

Yuki is literally 21 years old

[@frankavrom869]

@@KaneRaduXD He looks 8 yo to my standards.

[@frankavrom869]

Yuki is not that bad, he had a decent 2021 season, and this season, Gasly is also strugling with the car. Many drivers haven't proved they belong to F1, and nothing personal against them, but I am still waitng for Stroll to show me something, I waited 8 years for Sainz to win a race, still waiting for Lando to not mess up a victory, can Bottas be anything than a wingman? Mick shumacher cost more in car repair than Mazepin? will Latifi be here without sponsors?

[@dlugsch]

Wild that the Alex Palou drama in indycar kicked this whole thing off. Four, maybe five drivers are vying for that McLaren f1 seat right now - ricciardo, piastri, Palou, herta, and O’Ward

[@Aggnog]

Otmar really fixed up Alpine.

[@sinner2208]

@@servethesongs oye is OTMAR'S fault because he created the hostile/toxic environment talking shit about not wanting Fernando, he found him there when he was hired, etc... this is ALL on Otmar. If he wouldn't have disrespected Alonso, Fernando would've stayed...

[@happybelly1204]

I don't understand Fernando's choices; the only reason I could think why he would want to leave Alpine which is a works team, and join Aston Martin is that he is unhappy with the leadership and/or management. Alpine is progressing forwards while Aston Martin seems to be in reverse gear since two seasons now. If he had to shift to a team having a Mercedes PU partnership, why not McLaren? Unless Zak Brown has decided that he does not want to invest in veterans any further.

[@tehDmez]

I don't think the idea that Daniel staying at RB was the right move. They were clearly developing the car around Max's driving style, which is basically the opposite of Daniel's. Daniel would be in the same spot with RB as he is with McLaren now. Checo has a similar style and struggled quite a bit last year.

[@lukede6555]

I agree and I think had he stayed, if max was getting ontop of him, Helmut would have turfed him to take a chance on Gasley who was shining at Torro Rosso

[@gagandev8634]

No max and daniel both like similar concepts..with daniel preferring a bit more stable rear..but both of them like that pointy car with sreasonable rear..its just that max can handle a loose rear a lill better..

[@Reaz399]

Stop this stupid “develop the car around Max“ agenda already. The guy is simply better than any teammate he‘s ever had. Max was evolving massively in 2017 and continued that in 2018 to a point where Ric knew he couldn‘t compete with him anymore. He simply ditched RB and ran away from the challenge. Ricciardo and Max also both like a car with a strong front end to rotate the car so your point makes even less sense.

[@tehDmez]

​@@Reaz399 I don't understand why you're so upset, of course Max was the future for RB, so they will develop the car around his inputs and what they believe to be fastest. Max was not bothered by a twitchy rear end, where as Daniel needed the stability similar to someone like Vettel. The Mclaren struggles under braking because it doesn't have the stability Daniel prefers, albeit it is more understeery than previous setup's he did well on at RB/Renault.

[@walkertorque]

Marcus was being tongue in cheek! He said, it is the Silly Season after all (-;

[@bjs7442]

I cant understand how Oscar can force Mclaren to get rid of Daniel . Mclaren can just say come to us but you wont drive until 2024

[@theelf152]

You don’t think that would be negotiated by Mark Webber before they go to Mclaren!!!!. Gosh I can’t believe what a Stupid comment this is

[@bjs7442]

@@theelf152 Its not stupid as it would cost over $20+ million to get rid of Danni at the end of this season. Mclaren would give Piastri a contract and loan him out to Williams for a year and bring him into Mclaren in 2024. Performing well at Mclaren is a much better place to be to impress the three top teams and if you dont your still in the best of the rest. Thinking I will go straight to Williams in a car at the back of the grid and the top teams will come running is fantasy. George Russell remember was a Mercedes driver on loan as I am suggesting.Piastri is a very talented driver but as of now unproven in F1 and he will need more than one season to impress. Perhaps Danni may go back to Alpine and a few million change hands instead Of course Mark Webber will negotiate but it has to suit Mclaren as well who are the major player here. As well other agreements that Webber is not involved in have to be made. They have to be in place first. Mark wants the best for his driver but its Mclaren who have the seat. I think there are more turns in this tale yet. he may not be going to Mclaren at all and its a fishing exercise for offers.

[@theelf152]

@@bjs7442 Why would Webber/ Piastri sign with Mclaren to drive for Williams???. Thats idiotic, they could just sign with Williams directly and hope for a Mercedes or a Ferrari or a Red Bull seat in 2024 if he is exceptional!. Why waste his f/time at another “Proxy team” - who maybe still no f/good in 2024 when he may have so many other options.!!! Even as of today if Alpine want him -Why would he drive a f/ Williams when he can drive an Alpine that is 10places up the grid. Use your brains!- he’s Driving Mclaren and they’re just finding a home for Ricciardo - if at all possible - otherwise Oscar is going backwards and destroying his F1 prospects!. I think if no home can be found for Ricciardo- Piastri can go back to Alpine on bigger money offer than he would have had thats the only other solution I see likely! Webber clearly got him a deal, maybe 2 or 3 otherwise Piastri would not have released that statement, but like I said things can change very quickly when enough money is thrown around- & it often does in F1.

[@bjs7442]

@@theelf152 I agree with a lot you have said. Its conjecture that the deal is with Mclaren for starters nothing official has been released. Mclaren has the problem of 20+million it will cost to stand Danni down. if however they offer a multi year contract to Piastri of lets say 7million which is well above rookie money to be a Mclaren driver but on loan to Williams for a year. I think he would like that . Mclaren save a lot , get a more experienced driver and Paistri has a better seat than Alpine long term and will be able to showcase against Lando. Its just an idea but would fit all parties. I think the RB and in particular Mercedes are seeing Lando as their next driver not Piastry for a few years because it was their conversations with Lando that forced Mclaren to massively increase his contract. It turned out to be money well spent.

[@bjs7442]

@@theelf152 Well a year later it was true that Oscar signed for 2023 and 2024 but a first team drive was only guaranteed for 2024 and it was signed well before Alonso decided to jump ship. Eventually Danni decided he better go weeks later as he was not improving and so the 2023 drive happened. So my stupid comment was correct.

[@bradpittman5075]

I think you are 100 on Danny ric. It sucks as a fan bc I miss him fighting. And it’s clear the fire is out. It may be unpopular but the same with seb. His fire has been out for 2 seasons. That’s ok. Nothing wrong with that but we should be honest. And I think your Danny ric take post red Bull is accurate.

[@rs660alec]

By Peter Windsor created by Peter Windsor for Peter Windsor

[@Jimboken1]

...and of Peter Windsor. Tutor of subtle inputting to Max, Sharl and Lando.

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

@@Jimboken1 What the heck does that mean?

[@Jimboken1]

@@quentinhirschfeld9382 The Gettysburg Address.

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

@@Jimboken1 Seriously mate!

[@Jimboken1]

​@@quentinhirschfeld9382 !!!!!! ?

[@WjC00LEY]

Oscar might want to take the guaranteed seat, obviously Alpine dropped the ball big time! But once Fernando chose Aston, Alpine should’ve gotten Oscar in writing.

[@kben24]

$25m in Ricciardo’s pocket… damn!!

[@Sweaty__Sheep]

Ricciardo started changing his tune early this year when people doubted him since the form hadn't improved this season. He was suddenly being firm about staying with the team etc because a) he knew there was no place better and b) either way he was set to earn a shit load of money !

[@sundarthondaman208]

Piastri to Redbull due to the Webber connection there..Piastri to McLaren doesn't look like a great option next year, at least not to the extent of rejecting Alpine's seat..

[@doicounttoo6861]

Putting a rookie next to Max in a Redbull is killing for his career. Heck, even experienced drivers failed.

[@garythefishable]

@@doicounttoo6861 Piastri actually has a good junior formula record though. He would probably make a few mistakes and be a little inconsistent but I don't see him being any worse than any of the other drivers that have failed to replace Ricciardo.

[@sundarthondaman208]

@@doicounttoo6861 can you think of a rookie who took time to develop into a champion..look at all the champions of the past, they are already good from their rookie years. Verstappen killed as a rookie, Leclerc killed as a rookie, Hamiltion, Kimi, Alonso, Montoya all of them killed right from their rookie years. If Piastri is good, it doesn't matter who the other driver is..

[@frankavrom869]

Piastri and his agent didn't respond to Alpine when Alonso announced officially his move. This is the reason why they made the announcement, to force Weber and Piastri to officialise he will not drive for them in 2023. It makes easier now for them to fill Alonso seat for 2023, but I think Piastri and Weber made a big communication error, and if Piastri doesnt make an exceptional season in F1 next year, he will close all other possibility for a team to hire him. I wish good luck to Lando next year. If he didn't go along with a guy like Daniel, I guess the honeymoon will be very short with Oscar.

[@fincarosa]

Peter, love your insights. Question... given Ricciardo left RB for Renault, do you think he made a further mistake in leaving Renault for McLaren, given he seemed to have a better fit with the car at Renault than he does with the McLaren?

[@neverenoughgames72]

Isn't that a blatently obvious 'yes' ?

[@jimiverson3085]

Well, he might be able to head back. The team principal changed, so there may not be any more hard feelings. Oddly enough, that's what Alonso did 15 years ago - left Renault for McLaren then bounced back when he couldn't get on with the team and Hamilton.

[@sebnet3946]

don t know what are the contract detail, but clearly, it shows a level of loyalty which is questionnable ....

[@lesshrubb203]

Wow, Peter, your knowledge of all things F1 is truly incredible. Whilst my loyalties lie with George and Lando, it’s still good to hear your views on Danny and Pierre et al. It’s been an interesting year so far, has it not?

[@jackworsley2562]

What a pompous reply 🤣

[@mattBLACKpunk]

Tell me youre british without telling me you're british

[@lesshrubb203]

@@mattBLACKpunk English, actually…

[@mattBLACKpunk]

@@lesshrubb203 dont want to be mistakem for one of those plebeians from scotland, wales or ireland i see 😅

[@KGI_KlikoNL]

I think Piastri will not drive anywhere in F1 in 2023 now. McLaren has pretty much already 3 drivers with a contract for 2023, so why would Piastri make a chance? Norris, Riccardo has still 1 more year and on June 12th or 13th, both Palou and McLarenF1 on Twitter announced Palou being part of the 2023 line-up. Then there are also still rumours around O'Ward and Herta. So not ment bad Peter, but who says that McLaren wants Piastri? Maybe Webber/Piastri hopes to drive for McLaren as they see more potential in that team than Alpine.

[@BabaGanoush512]

With all the money Mclaren currently owe in finances and budget caps I doubt Ricciardo will be out of Mclaren before the end of his contract.

[@dragonslayer4168]

just had a question if mclaren decided to pay daniel out then is there a possiblity that they will pay him out now, race oscar for next 7 races so he gets little experince for next season cuase i am not ready for that

[@frederickthorne2496]

Wildly delicious speculations. I feel a little bad saying it, but I would love to see Oscar Piastri replace Ricciardo at McLeran.

[@warpeace8891]

Thanks Peter, this situation is clearer after hearing your thought and insights on it all. Haas looks like a better option for Ricciardo over Williams. It would have a very high interest for fans too = Magnussen vs Ricciardo. Not sure it is a good option for Haas though.

[@lukemontgomery1774]

I think it's pretty obvious why Ricciardo left Red Bull, and it was definitely the right decision to leave. Yes he would have guaranteed more race wins, but he'd have also guaranteed never winning a world championship. Max not only is better than him, but he has the entire team wrapped around his finger. Ricciardo didn't want to become Webber 2.0 and the only way to do that was to take a risk and leave, to a team where he'd be the main man. Even he would have known it was more likely to not work than work, but it was a risk he had to take.

[@MaxFromSydney1]

Fair summary.

[@FriedDoggy]

Yeah Pete definitely revising history here. Very idiotic explanation from Pete boiling the argument down to only ego for the reason Ricciardo left and he revised history by saying Red Bull was the best team in racing when at the time of Ricciardo leaving Mercedes were head and shoulders above any other team.

[@eltonluz94]

he left for the money. dont fool yourself

[@0megalul309]

Vettel : Nando I will retire on july 28, sign with them on july 29 Webber: No wait, sign with them on august 1 so my clients contract expires, screw Alpine for giving ocon 4 year contracts. Alonso : Ok understood, La Mission is on.

[@F_r_a_n_y]

Ah Peter, someone who actually knows what's up.

[@rootyp]

I love you Peter but having a conversation with someone on camera via a speakerphone is rough for listeners. I’m not going anywhere but maybe explore other audio options for convos.

[@Jimboken1]

Renault/Alpine F1 have been humiliated by Ricciardo, Alonso and now Piastri. Makes you wonder if the team leaders are simply begging for it. The named drivers all seem like perfect gentlemen otherwise.

[@noheamike5036]

What's with McLaren? They have a similar situation in Indycar with signing Palou. They are testing Palou, Herta and Ward. A lot of drivers looking at Ric's seat. A lot of controversy and pissing off other teams. Wonder if they are expecting to lose Norris, too. Is that why they're looking up others?

[@Stiglitz71]

Could Piastri be going to Alpha Tauri? With Gasley going to Alphine? Just guessing here.

[@davidbrown8517]

Now that sounds realistic.

[@joebates640]

@@davidbrown8517 depends if gasly doesn't hold a grudge against ocon anymore

[@wingracer1614]

@@joebates640 It also depends on contracts. Gasly is signed to AT for next year, has been for over a month. No way is he going to Alpine.

[@roelvanes1711]

Great analysis and explanation 😊

[@Nonixification]

Something is rotting at Alpine, Alonso left for a weak Aston and a newcomer dont want that seat.

[@boydmccollum692]

Not necessarily - Alonso wanted a 2-year contract, Alpine only offered him one.

[@maybach8537]

@@boydmccollum692 yep Alonso wanted stability but alpine had other ideas..

[@mattah]

Aston have invested heavily in their future also.

[@leongt1954]

After watching the McLaren pit crew laughing when Ricciardo ran into Stroll I thought it was strange that they would do that or maybe it was nothing to do with the crash who knows

[@justmat28]

Oscar manager Mark Weber is a former Red Bull and Porsche man and if the engine package is finalized over the break it could be Perez out of a seat and let's face it this isn't anything new for Red Bull to do to a Contracted driver.

[@gasperarzensek8895]

I think there is no way redbull would risk something like this mid season while they are fighting for the title. (so perez should be staying until the end of the season for sure). But if we are looking into redbull there could be a chance he could get a seat in AlphaTauri (Yuki still isnt confirmed or they could have some trade with Gasly coming to Alpine as well)

[@justmat28]

@@gasperarzensek8895 I'm not saying pull Perez out now I'm saying for 2023 and why not change for 2023 never stopped Red Bull in the past , remember this is just my opinion.

[@Sweaty__Sheep]

Porsche won't supply engines until 2026

[@bengaliinplatforms1268]

Perez signed a two year contract last week

[@gasperarzensek8895]

@@bengaliinplatforms1268 contracts almost dont mean a thing these days. If there is nothing simpler they can buy him out (and they for sure have the money). Also his contract probably includes a part about demotion (to alpha tauri or reserve driver). But i do agree that he is for sure staying in RB until the end of the season

[@aaronsorensen5165]

So Zhou goes to Williams, Latifi out. Ricardo takes a one year at Alpha Romeo, and Oscar could have stayed at Alpine with them paying Ricardo’s pay off to Mclaren and Mclaren gets an up seat. But now he’s in that Mclaren. Bad negotiations, but it’s a step he couldn’t refuse in order to get in. Alpine will get Hulk on a one year, maybe? Cheap and gives you time.

[@mhanan76]

Amazing how an Englishman underestimates Perez over Ricciardo when the former spent most of his career deprived of a winning seat and thrived whereas the latter quit driving for the best team when shadowed by Max…Ricciardo is talented but engineers keep saying he is an instinct driver, offering zero worthy feedbacks to improve the car and thus when the car does not fit his style he has no tools to work around this situation simply because he does not understand the car well enough and point exactly what has to be improved…Perez had to work his ass off to have decent setups and score way above teams’ expectations for the most part of his career…

[@gotanycash]

PW is an Aussie

[@mixerguru]

totally accurate !

[@alexandrearquembourg7203]

So so true. That's my problem with Peter Windsor, his Bristish/Common Wealth bias is very annoying.

[@torbinzix1]

@@alexandrearquembourg7203 and yet to come here listen to Peter... 🙊🙉🙈 And then bitch about it🙄

[@tzetv]

Where has any engineer commented that about Ricciardo?

[@TheCommenEagle]

Sorry but stating that he left Red Bull when they are the "best" F1 race team is a bit disingenuous if not just wrong. He joined the team in 2014 and yes got wins, podiums sure. But never got close to that championship winning car over 4 years. After 6 years in the sport and showing he deserves to be atleast the Equal driver, he ended up leaving. Only on 2021 did Red Bull shock us with that Car that won max the championship. Riccardios mistake was not leaving Red Bull, but leaving Renault for mclaren. Love the videos but needed to rant about that.

[@danielartzer]

With each and every move he makes, I cannot agree more with the statement that "Daniel should not have left Red Bull"

[@officialWWM]

Leaving RBR was the best move ever!

[@bravelyHomoSapien]

Hindsight. Foresight. In the thick of BS…he made his move, as did Seb. RBR has a particular ‘culture’. It’s not for everyone.

[@officialWWM]

@@bravelyHomoSapien exactly!

[@justice4g]

leaving Renault was a bigger mistake

[@danielartzer]

@@bravelyHomoSapien understood! Clearly easier to say in hindsight right now. It’s not for everybody but he did seem to be excelling in the team at the time.