Why Pokemon Run Bad Stats On Purpose

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[@pokeaimMD]

One edit! At 2:52 I said gen 7 when i was supposed to say gen 6. the numbers on screen are correct but I messed up with the audio. Ty Juan for pointing it out

[@danielwynn9736]

Juan the GOAT!

[@XENON3120]

Happens to the best of people, still great quick observation on peoples behalf. Many great comments also.

[@michaelanthony6197]

@@danielwynn9736 open o I’ll o P o boopooo😊oooo pool poop 😊oobonq😊n😊h😊😊

[@pacmanboss256]

shedinja can run 0 defense IVs so that it deals more damage to an opposing ditto

[@tony76935]

Hi Pac lol

[@pacmanboss256]

@@tony76935hi eclipse lmao

[@XENON3120]

That is brilliant

[@DDSForbbiden]

In any case, what good would defense IVs be to Shedinja?

[@7y1er74]

@@DDSForbbiden thats the joke -_-

[@Messuduppotatoasia]

One thing not mentioned in the video is that for Choice Band Tera Blast users, you want to reduce your SpA IVs so that Tera Blast doesn’t switch from being physical to special after an Intimidate/Charm/etc. This is because Choice Band, despite how it’s shown on Showdown, is NOT a stat boost. Rather, it applies a 1.5x modifier on your physical moves, which also incidentally means that Foul Play damage IS booster by your own Choice Band. So for example, if your Choice Band Adamant Dragonite is at -2 Attack and you have max SpA IVs, Tera Blast switches from physical to special, which causes you to lose out on your Choice Band boost.

[@20oxide36]

Everything here is correct except that choice band actually does modify the attack stat. In the case of foul play, the target's attack stat is used in damage calculation and the 1.5x attack boost is applied to the new attack stat.

[@torterra1826]

*boosted

[@male_maid5951]

which i sad for defensive teams, since it wont boost my massive 400 defense iron hands thigh press (i mean body press)

[@Messuduppotatoasia]

@@20oxide36 don’t mean to “no actually” but Choice Band boosts your Foul Play damage by 1.5, in the same way that a Life Orb boosts it by 1.3, Black Glasses by 1.2, etc. To clarify, I mean the USER of Foul Play holding Choice Band (like Choice Band Murkrow with Foul Play). The damage calculator agrees with this, unless they’re wrong and I’d be happy to be corrected. Similarly, burning your opponent doesn’t reduce YOUR Foul Play damage output. But if YOU are burned and you go for Foul Play, the damage is reduced. Neither Burn nor Choice Band modifies your stat, rather they apply damage modifiers, leading to somewhat counterintuitive interactions like these.

[@20oxide36]

@@Messuduppotatoasia Yes, I agree that the choice band does increase the damage of foul play but it is because the new attack stat is given a 1.5x multiplier because the damage is based on the user's attack modifiers (after the opponent's stat raises/drops are applied). This works similarly to how huge power works, where if a pokemon with huge power used foul play the damage output would be doubled because the new attack stat is doubled, thus a choice banded foul play does 1.5x damage because the new attack stat is increased by 1.5x. However, burn, as you stated earlier, does decrease the base power of the user's physical moves by 0.5x (similarly to how black glasses increase the base power of dark moves by 1.2x) and this includes moves like foul play and body press. This is why body press damage is halved by burn and increased by black belt but not increased by 1.5x by choice band or doubled by huge power, the first two modify base power while the other two modify attack.

[@breloommaster12]

Lowering defensive IVs also helped for Sash Endeavor users

[@boianko]

To be fair Sash endeavour is often level 1 so it doesn't really matter

[@boneless8473]

​@FutureCreator you can run sash endeavor on a fast and more frail mon to endeavor multiple pokemon

[@obiwancannoli1920]

​@@boneless8473 yeah like Lycanroc

[@F0RNIX]

@@boianko not really, I remember back on gen6 running a revenge killer smeargle with sticky web/endeavor/extreme speed/spore, maxed speed and lowered the defences as much as I can. Nasty lead and even nastier revenge killer, got quiet a lot of ffs on ubers after letting them set up their geo xerneas just to be spored, endeavored, sticky webed and KOed afterwards. Even if they woke up early and KO, I had prio on other mons and the damage had already been done. Certified tilt machine lmao

[@boianko]

@@F0RNIX I ran that set too. But like, it's Smeargle. It basically has the bulk of a level 1 Pokémon with its atrocious stats. I can't think of many attacks that wouldn't instantly drop it to 1 hp

[@timmyreobed5043]

I remember reading about how some Stakataka would run minimum Defense EVs along with a Brave nature to make its attack higher than its defense, that way it could have its Beast Boost act as Moxie. Of course this came alongside minimum speed IVs for Trick Room sweeping because that's the only reason you would sacrifice Stak's bulk that much.

[@_lostglory]

Lonely nature not brave lol. Lonely and 13 defense IVs

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Not really that good now that body press a thing. The extra bulk can be used offensively as well where as the extra attack can’t be used to enable you to get the trick room off to begin with

[@peepoweird]

@@ultimaterecoil1136 Nah that Stakataka set is wild, its Gyro Balls hit like an absolute truck. I once ran a team of six Stakatakas and got to 1600 on Gen 8 NDAG. Very efficient and customizable if you want to cheese your way through AG.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

@@peepoweird the hitting like a truck doesn’t matter when you die to a single fighting or ground coverage move so you can’t use trick room to start sweeping to begin with. Even relatively weak physical attackers will ohko you due to fighting and ground coverage’s omnipresence If you don’t invest in your defense due to your quad weakness. And it’s much worse for vs special attackers. Max defense can at least setup the trick room in the first place feasibly to do things by living hits like swords dance kartana’s sacred sword and you can use that 555 defense offensively with body press.

[@alathreon8315]

In gen 7 balanced hackmon, there was a set of innards out chansy with 0 IV def/spe def so it could get ko in one it and ko the opposite pokemon with innards out. This basically was a "ko the most threatening opponent pokemon card" and since there also was a imposter chansey set, it was impossible to know which set it was running. At the end, innards out was banned.

[@mb778_]

That was such a fun cheesy set. Shell Smash was particularly good because it both raised speed and lowered defense at once

[@coiyd4469]

Another fun way to reduce iv’s for benefit is life orb, if a Pokémon has 299 hp the life orb recoil is only 29 allowing 11 life orb attacks instead of 10 due to truncation calculation that mons uses

[@NotGord]

If the opponent allows one pokemon to attack them 11 times they are doing something wrong lol

[@male_maid5951]

@@NotGord when you freeze the tank for 11 turns of non thaww out

[@natnew32]

This is always true if the HP stat isn't divisible by 10. But recall that in Little Cup, where 19 is a common HP value, Life Orb only does 1HP of recoil each time, allowing for **19** life orb attacks. Very common to get HP stats of 19 on life orb pokemon in LC.

[@XENON3120]

If you guys like the video edits or dislike parts, im open to suggestions and critics. Anything you dislike, any adjustments to consider, hit me up, if reasonable i may consider. Thank you for continuesly supporting this series.

[@CastMaster25]

I'm glad you are still working in the Pokemon community

[@XENON3120]

@@CastMaster25 Thanks man, keeping it active. Have a great upcoming weekend.

[@ashikjaman1940]

I think you should subliminally sneak a Dracoshaker ad in there /j

[@squilliam986]

Another fun example is weather setters like Kyogre/Groudon running 0 speed IVs (or even lvl 99) since the slower ‘mon’s weather stays on the field

[@limerumpus3589]

for me this was the most memorable example of stat lowering

[@CM_684]

If both the weather controllers enter at the same time I assume

[@shepskydad]

The example of Genesect and Garchomp really highlights the nuance of competitive Pokémon. Like, the gap between a beginner player and the one lowering Garchomp’s IVs for a SINGLE SCENARIO is crazy. Great video Joey!

[@calebnelson4932]

I thought this was gonna be an emvee vid, with him defending Chinese spreads 😂

[@acc3209]

Wtf, chinese spreads, is that a thing??

[@LilTreProd]

@@acc3209 yea it’s to refer to ppl having SUPER SPECIFIC evs lol

[@yo-yokirby6663]

where did the "chinese" part of the spreads come from?

[@Anthem34]

@@yo-yokirby6663mostly came from chinese forums and players

[@SeaKangaroo]

@@Anthem34naughty Assault vest landorus therian gang

[@legendoftytoki7222]

Ik one of the most common instances of lowering an iv for an overall gain is when pokemon are using the life orb item such as latios in ou or great tusk in vgc so that they could run the max amount of investment in the attacking stat and speed while also having the hp stat ending with a 9 so that after 10 consecutive life orb chip damage, u will end up with 9 hp instead of a lesser vallue (or straight up fainting if ur hp is a multiple of 10)

[@lyingcorn]

In LC this can change life orb from 10% recoil to 5% recoil because of how rounding works

[@wizzlepants1274]

@@lyingcorn Yeah, 19 hits out of life orb is CRAZY on a technician Meowth

[@luckylucas8596]

To this day, I still run 28 Speed IVs on Corviknight to win the under-speeding wars against other Corvs. With this, I’m basically guaranteed to get my U-Turn off against their switch-in. (As for why 28, it’s to underspeed the big brains who run 29 to underspeed the the 30 speed Corvs.) Edit: 28 speed is the minimum speed to outspeed base 65 Pokemon, including Scizor and some of the Eeveelutions.

[@th3_ph4ntomreborn31]

I'm going to play whit 27 just for you

[@luckylucas8596]

@@th3_ph4ntomreborn31 28 speed guarantee outspeeds uninvested Centiskorch, Pelipper, Umbreon, Vaporeon, Magearna, and Scizor (base 65 speed) where 27 speed is a speed tie. Granted, not all of those Pokemon are in the game or viable, but when you’re on the receiving end of a Scizor Knock Off or something like that, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

[@SPZ-gv2on]

I run 0 IV -speed. If I'm running corv it's to pivot in the stuff that really can't take a hit.

[@Juan_Carl0s]

2:52 in gen 6 your IVs did not matter for Hidden Power strength, it would've been 60 either way, not 58

[@pokeaimMD]

Yeee we meant the previous gen, apologies. It’s right on the screen thankfully

[@Juan_Carl0s]

@@pokeaimMD yeah no worries, I get it for the 68 vs 70 in gen 2-5. Love your content keep up the good work

[@sablesalt]

68 base????

[@tyler94flynn]

dude you are SO good at crediting your collaborators/sources e.g. with the art in these videos and the insane sprite art in the shorts. keep it up bruh. also keep crushing chimpact's jeopardy

[@XENON3120]

Pedro's shorts are on point and those animated sprites are gorgeous

[@superstro2225]

3:37 yooo xenon sighting. Thats a real OG battle channel

[@XENON3120]

Hahaha considering that I'm editing this discussion videos for joey it was easy to pick, dude that's so long ago. Thanks for recognizing. Have a fantastic rest of your week dude

[@GarrettStelly]

Holy cow this blew my mind. I had to rewind on the part about garchomp vs genesect, what a tech! Also the lower hp to heal more via leech seed is insane! This is why I can’t play competitive Pokémon seriously. I would never have thought of some of these.

[@m05513]

Surprised Aegislash isn't on this list for speed. After you attack if you dont get the kill, you're paper thin until your next Kings Shield. Having a lower speed means that if you weren't going to get the KO, you're more likely to take the hit while your defences are very high, and can then use the priority Kings Shield to boost your defences for the next hit.

[@andrewrobinson8542]

Another one for ubers is Kyogre or Groudon with lowered speed because when two weather setters go out at the same time, the slower one sets their weather.

[@joshmotilall2498]

Hi Joey, great video as always. It made me think of a suggestion - a video detailing why certain mons run EV spreads/movesets to supplement aspects that don't really make sense on the surface. This video is why comprising aspects of a mon makes it more viable while that one would be about why optimizing aspects that initially seem irrelevant make a mon more viable. I've been playing pokemon since it first came to America but did not start playing PvP competitive until Gen 6. I remember over the years trying to optimize my mons for battle tower, stadium, battle revolution, etc. and going to smogon only to come out confused. Why run hidden power on this mon that has other more powerful coverage moves? Why invest speed on this slow mon? Well anyone whose played the last few gens know that any mon with an open moveslot gets HP Ice for Lando and Chomp (in gens with HP) and Magnezone runs speed to ensure he's faster than Skarmory. It's all what the metagame dictates. I think a video about this would be the jelly to the peanut butter right here and very informative for the younger viewers and anyone else looking to get into competitive for the first time.

[@eternalsnowman8217]

a new example of this in gen 9 is actually super interesting, physical mons with tera blast can lower their special attack to make sure their tera blast doesnt turn special in certain scenarios. a common example of this is dragonite in vgc which commonly runs tera flying tera blast, and at -2 with 31 ivs, that will change the dragonite's tera blast to special. but if you have a choice band and/or sword of ruin in combination with this dragonite, you would much rather it stay physical, so running 16/17 ivs will keep your dragonite physical at -2, while still maximizing special tera blast at -3 or lower.

[@JaCaBrA144]

I’ve also heard of people lowering chansey’s defense DVs in gen 1 OU to make counter deal more damage, but I don’t know how common that was

[@mrschrubelhupfyay6397]

having minimum special attack is also technically advantageous when not running special moves in case the opponent clicks power swap for some reason

[@Cracky003]

One of the two Iron Treads Ubers sets uses lowered Def IVs. 15 Defense IVs make quark drive proc for Special Defense, and paired with Occa Berry it's a hard counter to Miraidon. That set is a big part of the 29% Iron Treads usage in Ubers.

[@lemontoast2196]

Great vid, surprised you skipped over Gen 8 ubers slurpuff though. I remember seeing slurpuffs as low as level 88 at some point to try and get that focus sash off.

[@adnagapot]

Gen 2 Steelix would sometimes run min speed because roar only worked if it was the last move in the turn order, therefore fast roar would fail if the opponent also used roar and was slower

[@Farawyn98]

I had a really niche situation in a Ubers Draft League with friends once. We basically said "fuck it, lets just allow all mons of Ubers" and I had first pick so obviously I just took Proto-Groudon, second pick chose Proto-Kyogre. In our matchup, both of us purposefully gave them min speed, since if we both lead with them (which we did since both looked incredible in their respective matchup) or double into them at the same time, the slower ones weather would stay.

[@Akumo69]

I used to play NVE with my friends back in the day and I'd run focus sash unburden grovyle and would give it minimum defense, spdef and hp on purpose with a - defense nature so that the focus sash would be used in order to activate unburden. On the first turn I would set up swords dance so I'd essentially have a grovylewoth double speed and attack right from the get-go. Works on sceptile too.

[@dr.c2195]

Low speed: - Trick Room - Gyro Ball - Weather wars - Terrain wars - Metal Burst Low attack: - Foul Play - Abilty activation moves in doubles (e.g. Beat-Up on your own Justified Pokémon or Bullet Seed on your own Stamina Pokémon) Low Defence - Shedinja against Ditto - Stakataka who wants Atk beast boost - Endeavor - Counter Low Special Attack: - Ability activation moves in Doubles Low HP: - Subseeding - Endeavor Low Special Defence: - Shedinja against Ditto That is all I can think of right now.

[@ProfessionalYouTubeWatcher]

Really cool video! Thank you for all the effort you put into these informative videos that make us all better

[@rarestpepe98]

Level 1 Whimsicott was always on my ORAS team. Leech Seed, Protect, Substitute, Encore; it still got beat by various Dark types, along with the occasional +2 priority ESpeed every single Mega Rayquaza would run, but it required less set up than the ole reliable Durant/Dugtrio trap combo.

[@KandiKid87]

I had no idea Leech Seed worked like that. I still learn so much about Pokémon all these years later.

[@Waiter1986]

hey joey, at the end of the video you mentioned that breloom often ran low hp so it recovers more from leech seed. this makes total sense. my question then is why pokémon that use recovery moves, like draining kiss hatterene (or more specifically Triage hatterene in AAA) run max hp instead of like max def+spdef. or if anyone else knows too, cuz I was very confused when entering that tier

[@dogwitdabutter9320]

They’re meant to tank a lot of hits from opposing mons unlike Breloom who’s so frail. Also recovery heals 50% of your max health so lowering it would just mean less healing.

[@Sheepie_]

the difference in bulk between running max hp and running max in both defenses, specially in a pokemon with a low base hp like hat, is very small, so you'd rather run max hp and conserve the rest of your evs for more bulk (in one or both sides), power or even a bit of speed. Even with the triage aaa set, hat still wants as much bulk as possible without having to sacrifice that many evs, unlike with subseed mons that don't care as much about their bulk. In general you always want to run hp investment if you want to maximize bulk, the most common exceptions to this you'll see are eving to live a specific hit from a specific threat or on mons with insane base hp and low or comparatively low defenses, like the pink blobs and specially guzzlord. With chansey/blissey you might want to run max hp to minimize the special/physical damage you take, but with guzzlord you almost never want to run hp investment since its defenses are so low and its hp is so high

[@furiouscorgi6614]

Breloom is using Substitute, which is proportional damage, so leech seed heals more proportionally (same healing) but substitute deals the same amount proportionally (less damage)

[@Waiter1986]

@@dogwitdabutter9320 sorry i shouldlve been more specific. by recovery moves i meant life stealing moves (like draining kiss, giga drain, drain punch). Those are based on how much hp you take from the target. So if your total hp is lower, you would end up healing a larger %

[@Waiter1986]

​@@Sheepie_ gotcha gotcha. So for the AAA sets, the advantage gained from no hp investment (meaning a little more recovery) is less useful than the advantage gained from max hp investment to just be bulkier

[@Chichimoco420]

The video essays are dope man! I can respect the innovation

[@AndrewRKenny]

Awesome video. I didn't know about some of these specific examples, but learning about specific metagames is always really interesting.

[@aronfiore]

Amazing video, I really enjoyed it. It's absurd all the layers that can be under this game

[@TomerShneor]

Another example I remember is in the Gen 5 weather wars you would want your weather setter to be as slow as possible because if both teams" weather setters got switched in at the same time the slowest one was the one that stuck around.

[@typhlosion7872]

Second most common instance of lower IVs after pokemon that don't use physicak attack is Hidden Power before it was removed

[@kennethkjen1996]

The gen 4 xenon3120 video you showed during the gyro ball section felt nostalgic

[@XENON3120]

Yo familiar face in the comment section, good to see you here. Felt like adding some old things in Joey's video

[@michaeldelloro3148]

I love watching your discussion videos.

[@Silverlugia1256]

And ive seen ivs in game that can make adamant volcarona have the same stats as modest both on catching this is a rare case

[@AgentArcadia]

Yeah but that just means it's worse 😂 you still do need to increase the IVs or change the nature lol

[@Silverlugia1256]

@@AgentArcadia how do you do that in black and white tho? I didn't know how to adjust the ivs and was amazed

[@Silverlugia1256]

I do want to know for my next playthrough I've almost survived a heart gold nuzlocke so I'm sure I'd find a way with that knowledge to make the strats really good also try adamant escavalier hitting hard as nails with bug buzz 🤣 anything can happen when I play

[@Sleeper800]

​@@Silverlugia1256 You can't change IVs prior to gen 7. So Black and White it's impossible. And an Adamant Volcarona is always going to be worse than a Modest one if the IVs are the same. Go for better IVs instead of adjusting your nature if you're breeding.

[@Kmn483]

Lower attack on a Beat Up user to safely proc Justified in a double battle! Also works for weakness policy, steam engine, or anger point!

[@ToyTimeKing]

The days of alolan exeggutor in gen 7 pu where we were all getting destroyed by tr exeggutor, we ran like level 99 level 97 alolan exeggutor trying to underspeed others good times 😂

[@herbertunkraut]

Another exception of special attackers running zero Atk IVs is if you have a mon with Beat Up in your team, which wasn't uncommon in gen 3.

[@XENON3120]

Great mention

[@nunyabiznes33]

Never played competitive. Why lower Atk for Beat Up?

[@elusiveenn972]

One of my favorite meme sets is lonely stakataka with 13 defense IVs that way it is 1 point under its max attack so it gets an attack boost when it kills something. What makes it awesome is stakataka can use trick room itself to have speed control and instantly become a menace if they dont expect it.

[@stefanielonn4164]

This looks like something that False Swipe Gaming should have posted, but I was surprised to figure out it was actually you

[@Obo_]

love the vid man!

[@aruihe]

I believe people also adjusted speed for T-tar and Politoed during the weather wars as well

[@marcorossi2854]

Great editing in this my man

[@XENON3120]

Thank you. Shout-out to the dude that made that Thumbnail, its great, and joey script is always on point, there was things I've learned while editing it. I mean what level 99 slowking, no way hahah

[@kinou_pkm]

I love this discussion videos Joey ❤

[@XENON3120]

Many more to come. Thanks for continuesly supporting Joey's discussion videos, you're awesome.

[@honjon666]

This is a banger track in the back. Loving the T Square EWI vibes

[@pogchimp9452]

you thought you were smarter than me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting!

[@vibrantoucan8890]

Speed lowering is a tactic going all the way back going to gen 2 actually.

[@bobjob2514]

What if there were a move that acts like psycho shift, but instead of transferring status deals damage of the infliction's type and clears the status?

[@nwut]

could be very interesting or also rlly niche

[@crazylasagna3576]

Corviknight is so omnipresent in AAA at the moment that lvl 99 ones are really common

[@stephenveerasammy3074]

And then there is Emvee. 'let's just make all stats 300'

[@TheMCcreepermen]

Wait my brother bronzong user was listening to legend of steel? Great choice!

[@XENON3120]

it was the song i used in that battle yes back in 2009

[@BepisQueen]

This video is a ton of great examples as to why I’ll never be a Pokémon master. I’m too stubborn. I don’t have the ability to adapt the same way high level competitive Pokémon players can. I lose a game and just chalk it up to a bad matchup. I lose multiple games and just say I’m having a bad day. I rarely make changes to my teams unless I notice I’ve made a mistake. But it’s so cool to learn about all of this

[@lobbb]

I gotta find that one clip where blunder is explaining vgc and he says "in vgc, you bring 6 and pick 4" and then the opponent immediately forfeits and the video ends😭😭

[@Ciocalatta]

I feel like, although of course there are a lot of small ones that are likely to be missed, slurpuff in gen 8 ubers wouldve been a great example for the last point

[@anisuperketchup7776]

One thing not mentioned in this video is about offensive life orb users reducing their HP IVs. For example, Latios has a HP stat of 301 when IVs are maxed. Here life orb takes 30 HP of damage each turn. When u make the HP IV 29, The life orb recoil gets rounded down to 29. This will be a net benefit after 2 turns.

[@SahniOK]

Every time I see Pokémon stadium, I ask myself "what the hell happened to Pokémon?"

[@GamingEelektross]

I know that Hyper Training was added to psuedo-set a Pokemon's IVs to 31, and it would be too much to ask to "Hyper Train" IVs to lower stats, but I feel like some other fair options should be to reset Hyper'd stats to their base amounts, or make them act as the other extreme end, being 0.

[@pinksylvievgc4196]

vgc has a lot of these. Recently there was a large twitter discussion on ivs for mons like dnite involving tera blast. You can set special ivs such that at -1 adamant dnite will still use a physical tera blast instead of special to take advantage of chien pao sword of ruin.

[@MinunRobotnik4]

"SubSeeders are usually frail" *Randbats Tropius has entered the chat

[@teachytv3242]

Please bring back Stakeout Mabostiff in the Tier Shift mega game it’s crazy

[@squishy.mp4]

I run a stackatacka set with a - def nature and lowered def ivs so beast boost will boost attack instead

[@samsungcalendarapp6433]

raikou in gsc lowers its speed evs bc a faster one's roar will fail, but generally keeps it at 216 to outspeed other threats. its a balancing act between beating other raikou or getting outsped by gengar

[@asdfs2247]

I used to run 0 HP EV on Cofagrigus for a curse + pain split set

[@XENON3120]

Not even bad. Nice

[@xLoftie]

Holy Xenon clips brings back memories man

[@kimsartthing]

did not expect to see Xenon3120s face today

[@XENON3120]

Thank you and thanks for continuesly supporting Joey's videos, have a great rest of your week.

[@jackherwig5720]

While not exactly lowering IVs, gsc marowak is also an example in the same vein

[@thebestworst8002]

In gen 8 Ubers, it was optimal to run as low bulk as possible to increase the chances of focus sash and unburden to activate allowing you to use endeavor or yawn. I’ve even ran swirlix for even lower bulk

[@ayndricatur7525]

Gen 9 av iron treads in uber purposefully run 16iv defense so that under electric terrain, it gets sp.def boost, better at doing it's task of checking miraidon

[@wizzlepants1274]

In Little Cup, Meowth would often run reduced HP IVs to hit 19 hp exactly, letting Life Orb deal 1 damage instead of 2

[@ktownpunkjr.1946]

Love these videos!

[@JuanGhurkas]

In past generations slurpuff was used with 0 ivs on your defenses to take as much damage as possible to activate Focus sash and then activate unburden, in addition that extra damage was also used to increase the damage it dealt in endeavor

[@banfox_]

At bochum VGC regional I used a maushold with 19ivs in atk (if i recall correctly) because it would minimize the damage on my annihilape (and i had to calc the damage considering all of my Pokémons atk) while maximizing it against Indeedee, as I had some calcs with beat up redirected damage + kowtow kleave from kingambit (if i remember right)

[@CountGremlin]

Love these in depth videos about the nuisances of competitive Pokemon. People who don't play think it's a simple game but they never realize how each generation is wayy different than the last and tiers are so different

[@RoninCatholic]

Isn't the most common usage of reduced IVs to get a specific Hidden Power? For a lot of mons, the best coverage move and for an unlucky few the best STAB move available has been to set its IVs to get a specific type of Hidden Power. Ice for special attackers and Ground or Rock for physical attackers, usually.

[@Thiccest_shady]

Little cup is full of examples for this, specifically the HP stat. It's much better to have 19 or 23 HP on mons that use substitute as one example, because you use one less HP to put up the sub due to rounding calcs.

[@Ryano35]

That Garchomp strat is really cool

[@esqimo6647]

im surprised you didnt mention lowered HP IVs, for life orb users so they can take less damage from their own life orb. Something like mamoswine, with 0 hp ivs, has 361 hp, so life orb will do 36 to itself. lowering its ivs to 29 means it only does 35 to itself. this is even more prevalent in little cup, where the low hp means the percentage is even more significant

[@PreciousLuna1988]

Oh i loved doing the lower attack kartana. Caught many people off guard.

[@Cheeser_bobeeser]

Bro I had a breloom in Pokémon ultra sun, it was GOATED fr fr

[@tylerbrowne8432]

I thought you would mention lowering one of your stats so another one can get the beast boost or like on Roaring Moon having to lower it's attack stat to get the booster energy on speed

[@archellothewolf2083]

put 0 speed on a Galar Slowking, just in case of trick room, and since it's so slow it doesn't really matter. Next 3 matches were trick room teams that my Slowking ended up sweeping because it went first.

[@jimmyfoley4634]

In 2020 I spent a week or two breeding Shuckles to have 0 Atk, 0 SpA, and 0 Spe on cart for my roommate; the idea if I recall correctly was to better wall everything with Power Split

[@Masahane]

Gen 2 Marowak lowers its attack DV so it doesn't roll over its attack after a swords dance

[@XENON3120]

true I always made sure it was low so it didn't reach over 1012 or something that was the limit, since it would roll back under 2 digits of attack. Hilarious when it happened to me once but i think showdown doesn't apply those changes but in original games they do, and since I've made 2nd gen wifi battle using gold and silver I was put on the wrong end of the stick once, not a pleasant sight doing 2 hp damage to a suicune after an SD with EQ haha

[@Masahane]

@@XENON3120 I think showdown actually does it automatically too

[@Cobalt_375]

Lowering speed or even lowering levels in order to win the weather wars

[@yy-gs6rw]

The garchomp spread for genacect is crazy wtf

[@Seth_rs]

I remember beginning of gen 6 when people had to breed and breeding was made easier going for a rotom wasnt that bad since you really needed 4 max stats for the standard bulky one that walls talonflame and mega pinsir since speed was preferably non 31 iv

[@synthwavesun2450]

does lowering defense IVs on Buzzwole to (I think 15), to get +Atk with Beast Boost count?

[@burritoman2k]

Yes

[@greninjafw]

Shoutout to Lonely 14/15Def IV Stakataka Disappointed there was no mention

[@XENON3120]

I saw some mention lv 99 Groudon and Kyogre and I was like.... Damn that is like the perfect mention. Perhaps Joey may consider iv part 2 haha the -def shedinja vs ditto one is hilarious but also extremely interesting

[@bgc0]

The shoutout to Xenon3120 is much appreciated to a vet like me ❤

[@XENON3120]

Appreciate you man, had to use some of the content I had, made it easier also to edit.

[@austinhensley6553]

dnite was the bigger abuser of lowering defenses to deal with genesect becaise +1 ice beam naturally ohkoed through multiscale

[@MrMIDP]

You missed stakataka whose norm is reducing the def stat

[@nxtkyle8412]

NOTIFICATION GANG HYPER (IDK IF 1ST BTW)

[@Silverlugia1256]

Grats you are btw

[@nelsondaily]

Marowak can't run max attack in gen 2, because otherwise when it uses SD it gets beyond the max stat of 999 and is ruined.

[@techngamin]

I ran min speed Magnezone in Gen 8, with Analytic and Choice specs to become the delete button