Why Rachel Lindsay is Team Barb After Peter Weber’s Wild 'Bachelor' Finale

[@Showman_87]

I wish more people in the world could disagree civilly like these two.

[@annasteig2923]

I know right..

[@noma5836]

Louder to the ones at the back.

[@act318]

Watch French tv shows

[@caileysuitelifee]

Barb said Madison is too religious /spiritual then says to peter that I’m talking to my God and he says to pick Hannah Ann. Barb met Madison at her vow Renewal she didn’t even mention how kind and loving Madison was towards the whole family . She said Madison showed no love and that they never met . Also madi did say in the finale that she had no hate towards the Weber and that they should keep it in the past. Barb should stop controlling peters life just like how she’s controlling her husbands by whispering in his ear at the finale to help her and say something bad in Spanish. (also that peter was sabotaged by his mom to pick hannah ann and give this a go and leave madi) Peter was seen at church the other day go look at Justin Bieber interview Called arrange marriage with Demi . Justin said he saw peter at church on Sunday . Also peter is going to same charity in Africa in May . A godly woman like Madison can bring out the best version in peter ... barb I’m only scared that he won’t go line dancing and do the Cuban sex life she wants her son to do . Also Chris harrison said that madison was late due to peter and producers wanted drama to not match the timing . Also maidson told peter she loves him before entering his parents house , but barb pushed madi away and madi got the clarity to leave peter . but since she loved peter she came back .....it's all barb's fault for interfering in a relationship . it also said that barb broke peter up from his high school relationship with a girl it's in the news,,, look how controlling barb is

[@lizbethrodriguez2122]

forever dclove they're not together anymore so jokes on you everything Rachel said is true and I agree with every single word she said for gods sake even the people that have the same morals as Madison have said the same thing about her.

[@pdxportlandia]

honestly, though peter comes off as a player, he doesn't know what he wants. no way he's ready for marriage he has a lot of growing up to do first.

[@Joe-ip2ky]

brandname101 you’re totally right he’s not ready for the whole thing, he’s still a teenager having fun.

[@cassie-cm]

brandname101 All he wanted to do was make out with the girls 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@daughteroftheking3220]

brandname101, exactly! Good luck to him finding a girl that his mom approves!

[@daughteroftheking3220]

Cassandra C., exactly what I’m saying. His profession speaks volume but his personality needs a lot of working.

[@ThatGmoney]

brandname101 he has to figure out who he is first.

[@d.l.4411]

I think Rachel raises a very valid, realistic point. I also questioned why Madison, a girl with such strong morals...decided to go on the Bachelor. Like girl. You know what you’re signing up for. So why did you do it? There has to be an ulterior motive buried in there somewhere. She’s sweet, and likable, and charming. But maybe we should be questioning Madi’s intentions a bit more.

[@ksc743]

Weren't Colton and Sean Lowe the same? Except they made it clear from the start. I cannot understand why Madison kept this from Peter until the very end especially knowing the kind of guy he is aka the windmill guy.

[@pourladentelle]

I agree!!!! Was Peter not the one in the windmill though?....!? How did Madison never hear of tht. I dnt trust the girl. She kept running away and coming bck...just messing w/ppl...I think she's looking for fame through "building the kingdom!" on the bachelor.....

[@velvet123]

I agree - though a show that is the opposite of her believes. Like what are you doing a slutty show like that 🙄🙄🙄.

[@Etiquettelover]

I think she kept this from Peter so she wouldn't be eliminated early on right? Imagine if she told him right away then it would have been a totally different season. She waited till the end so she could lock Peter down because he obviously has a hard time with his feelings and emotion that it would be harder to let her go.

[@Joyish94]

But plenty of bachelors and bachelorettes completely disregarded the fantasy suites and said they didn’t want to sleep with their contestants. Peter could’ve done that if he wanted to, and he chose to sleep with two other women right before he was about to propose. Not to mention, an ex of peter’s came out and said Peter was never husband material. He’s afraid of settling down and likes hookup culture before he became the bachelor.

[@Jenni.P]

Dont y'all remember maddie made her own fan account and commented about how genuine she was with her own profile. There is no way she plans on staying in that relationship. she came thinking that if she could last long enough than tell the lead that she is waiting she would be dumped and celebrated for her values and get a bunch of Christian Mingle sponsorships. Personally I share similar religious beliefs as maddie and because of that I would never go for a guy like Peter cause realistically it would not work out cause we'd be to different. She is far to calculated and I don't she ever planned on staying or even getting into a relationship with Peter.

[@carys7417]

Jenni Pie wait what?? How do you know about this fake profile

[@Jenni.P]

@@carys7417 it happened literally after the first episode aired and that fanpage was created before the show even aired. And madi addressed it by saying (lying) that it was her friend who was on her phone 🙄

[@AndreaIngham]

Okay. So Rachel Lindsay, Hannah Brown, Nick Viall, Peter Kraus, Tyler Cameron, Luke P (by accident), Demi & Derek and Madison have all done amazing things to push this franchise forward in the few years... Sex positivity, gender roles, authentic mixed race love, bisexuality/fluidity. Madison and Hannah Brown in particular introduced us to women who could be very confident in their relationship with Christianity Jesus but still talk openly about sexual values. Where I worry is when so-called Christian values are conflated with pedigree.

[@pkjohnson1001]

Holy cow ! I forgot that was her that did that ! It allllll makes sense now ! Rachel is dead on correct ! Something about Madison always seem to be off to me !

[@terencetan3417]

Pamela Johnson yup ! Exactly Rachael is spot on ! Madison is so cunning under that goodie two shoes . It’s doesn’t even make sense on the fake profile commenting on her post and then claiming it was her Sister that posted it thinking it was her own account . Claims that it is log in wrong account etc . Lousy excuse and bullshit . Why would her Sister use her account in the first place ? Her Sister computer / phone shouldn’t be logged into her account . More like Madison forget to change her account when she posted that comment thinking it was her fake fan account , only realising it afterwards

[@biancamichelle11]

Rachel is on to something. People may not be ready for that information. But she’s right on the money. 🎯

[@sharina-maeb.1498]

I completely agree!

[@EllDuclos]

You’re right! She’s judging Madison without knowing her and without knowing what her true intentions are... really onto something

[@abigailmintah5148]

@@EllDuclos you also do not know Madison. You like her based on what the producers showed on tv

[@channel_osh]

@@EllDuclos Do you know her? So you can't say that her intentions are good either

[@EllDuclos]

Abigail Mintah never said I knew her. You’re right I don’t know her, therefore we don’t know if her intentions are good or bad so let’s stop judging someone we don’t know personally.

[@anastasialazic8458]

I do 100% see Barbs point of view and she has every single right to have those doubts. But going after a 23 year old girl like that on national television was totally uncalled for. And throwing your own son under the bus like that too? What I don't understand about Barb is, you knew the outcome of that night. You knew he was no longer with hannah ann and that Madison was somehow involved with it, so if you wernt supportive of peters and madisons relationship, why did you even show up? Did you show up just so you could drag your son on national television like that? As far as I know, it isn't a requirement for the parents to be present and it probably would have done a lot less damage had she been there. She was not there to support peter, so why did she even come at all.

[@LoveIsKind2008]

Anastasia Lazic well said...I completely agree with you

[@AmandaTitus85]

I thought they actually had no idea about the break up and Madison??? Maybe I just assumed that because they were acting so furiously

[@conniegreen9072]

She had months to know Peter was not w Hanna Anne, he lives at home, Peter’s parent shouldn’t be there He is 28 yrs old, Not 16...it’s Nuts

[@anastasialazic8458]

@@AmandaTitus85 I kind of assumed so because they were filming barbs reaction the whole time and she did not come across as shocked or surprised to me during the hannah ann segment or the madison segment. I figured that had she not known, the lady probably would have passed out at the news of the broken engagement considering how much she loved hannah ann.

[@chio7496]

she LOVES the attention. Talking about the positive comments in her dm..lol..woman please

[@stephvp5187]

I really admire how open minded Rachel Lindsay is. She has an interesting perspective that really makes you think differently. I really admire her for this

[@taninbhm5618]

Agree with Rachel. Barb’s delivery was poor but she was speaking the truth 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@adwoamk8918]

I love that Billy called out the producers. The work harder than the devil himself.

[@cecilia2001]

I’m a Latina and I agree parents in Latin America are different than in the U.S.. However, Barb’s comments were completely out of line, and only showed how controlling she is. Latino parents don’t “culturally” react that way at all, this was fully her personality. Also, what she said in Spanish was “But say something BAD too, help me”. She absolutely said the word “bad”.

[@rositamartic5019]

No...she said "mas"

[@humankaleidoscope4989]

My first language is Spanish and I think she said "más," it's just her accent making her not pronounce the last consonant. But I guess there's no way for people to agree. I wish there was a linguistics expert helping out here.

[@jgp1294]

Rosita Martić No Rosita, dijo o “malo” o “mal”...se le nota la “L” 100%...mi familia es cubana y todos hablan como si tuvieran agua en la boca que no quieren derramar. Te aseguro que no fue un simple “más” que al ser cubana lo pronunciaría como “mah”...

[@dianndesilva3778]

I am not Latino & I support Barb 1000 % Madison was totally disrespectful, I am the mother of 2 male adults & I would behaved the exact same way,,NO tolerance for someone about to date my SON the way she acted.

[@user-to6ux9en8q]

I’m also Latina and I think Latino parents when they are disapproving react as Barb did. Maybe not as publicly but when they don’t like your partner many Latina moms will let you know but I think they care more about their sons significant others.... you can’t deny Latino family’s are close and more involved in each other’s lives..

[@justteething8428]

It’s really annoying that he keeps interrupting Rachel. What she has to say is 100000000x more intriguing than what he has to say on this topic.

[@richellemedina574]

James Freckles I agree. He’s being obnoxious. Rachel has much more insight into the bachelor world and he won’t let her finish her thought

[@Madsspooky0965]

Came here to say this. Dude needs to shut up & listen.

[@melissafaith]

Glad no one went down the route of making this into a race and gender issue, but yes, this dude has to stop yelling at and interrupting Rachel.

[@terencetan3417]

Exactly ! Chris is just trying to cover up Madison when Rachael mention about Madison not informing peter regarding the issues that disturbs her , Chris says the show told her not to say . But hello ! Madison told other girls on the show way before she decides to tell peter right before the fantasy suite . I Guess she wanted to make peter not get intimidate with other woman during the fantasy suite . Too bad he had sex with both of the other girls despite knowing haha !

[@k79311]

Agreed.

[@SandraLargaes]

Why is he yelling. Billy, we can hear you. I agree with Rachel tho. This had nothing to do with Madison’s virginity. This had to do with conflicting morals and core values. Opposites attract but core values always need to be the foundation of any relationship. MOMMA KNOWS BEST

[@-a7132]

Sandra Largaespada momma knows best but mommas approach was distasteful and also seems like she would be one of those mother in laws who likes to be in control hence why she liked Hannah ann cuz Hanna Ann is a yes person that would do anything to please peter...Madison was vocal about her values and morals which barbbbb did not like because she wants Madison whipped the way her husband and two sons are whipped lol...you could see during the show how she was telling her husband in Spanish to say something bad about Madison to support her...if u saw Madison and peter senior sit down and talk about her relationship with Pete you could actually see that peter senior really liked and respected Madison for her values and outlook on her relationship with peter. Barb was probably the bigger reason as to why Madison and Pete broke up.

[@naomiferreira8255]

Rachel is having the last laugh cause Peter and Madison announced they broke up.

[@carys7417]

Complete agree with Rachel, logically it’s all so shady. You don’t preach all these religious values and then drop them at the tip of a hat.

[@TheMusicalFeeling]

Carys and come on this damn show

[@JanineBelle1]

10000000% agree with rachel

[@nonameeismyname3365]

Rachel never liked Madison from the start.saw alot of videos on Rachel speak critically when it comes to Madison. Why did she come to the show??? That is none of anyone business to question her intention of coming to the show Rachel talks about empowerment but finds time to talk poorly about the ladies she doesn't quiet vibe I don't hate Rachel,I just fine her way of delivery about Madison is as if she is on the look out to finding fault in Madison

[@sarah15788]

Yeah l've noticed that too, she really doesn't like Madi at all. I guess she unconsciously feels challenged by Madi's christian values, b/c she tried to impress Nick by hers when she took him to church during hometowns but it backfired, he dumped her. Of all people she should be the one person who's most understanding regarding the mixed emotions the bachelor & his contestants go through. But she's bashing everyone struggling with the same challenges she had.....am very disappointed in her b/c as a lawyer she should be objective in all her views and analysis.

[@RoofG]

Very true ,rechel represents the same moral and values, just like her but any one who has different values and morals needed to be stoned kinda thinking she has . Madi is a class act . She can't be the same with 30 something woman . This is why Peter chooses her. Period . Ofcourse the world will be against her because she doesn't have the life style every one has. Period. Unique is always beautiful and attractive.

[@sameriagraves2592]

Hotz Aye why is it when people speak the truth then they are speaking badly of someone. Rachael have spoke the truth about Hannah and so many other ladies because it’s the truth. The entire America just loves being fake and it’s sad. If my values was as strong as Madison I wouldn’t be there because I’m bringing the wrong message to those that Are following me. The Bible even speaks of a time women would line up and get picked through by a man so why be those women. Madison cries but no tears comes out. Madison doesn’t even want Peter to hug or kiss her. The other ladies may have came to be popular but let love take over them. Madison did not care for peter but keeps coming back because she will ride until the end for fame so no she spoke great things but didn’t show it.

[@Simplelivingslowliving]

@@sameriagraves2592 omg I couldn't have said it better. 👏👏👏 Rachel doesn't need to kiss no ones ass. America is not used to realness. I dont have to dislike Madison to point out the her wrongs.

[@Tee-fz4mf]

Rachel is being real honest

[@NurseAggz]

I agree with everything rachel said. No respect on either side, barbz delivery inappropriate but message on point. Only mistake barbz made was saying all of it out loud. Let you son learn from his mistakes on his own.

[@jareya]

Well said!

[@scarletll]

Don’t ever underestimate Hispanic moms! I’m surprised Peters mom didn’t throw him a chancla at the live finale

[@michelleisaacs4524]

Scarlet Larios 🤣🤣🤣

[@SupernaturalLove100]

Do not group all Hispanic mothers under behavior like that lady exhibited. She was shameless and humiliating.

[@scarletll]

SupernaturalLove100 I respect your opinion 👍🏼

[@LeeLee-cp3rv]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@AmandaTitus85]

Rachel is my favorite human. She is so well spoken and definitely was using her lawyer skills to make her case lol love her

[@justteething8428]

Amanda Titus too bad Billy kept interrupting her!!!

[@beautyjournal217]

Also no body is virgin shaming her, but she made it her identity and personality

[@SydneyKong]

“The devil works hard but the bachelor producer works harder” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA TRUEEEEEEEE

[@SimoneUmba]

Rachel gives off prosecution attorney right now.

[@sarahkelly3234]

If you are a lawyer go to a Court room. Otherwise you look kinda silly backing this Barb abusing her son mess for ABC.

[@tracilord4854]

Simply Simone she's the BEST!

[@chocolatchiklet]

Rachel is the only individual shedding light on this dreadful situation, and I love her!!!

[@AndreaIngham]

@@sarahkelly3234 I agreeexcept for Rachel knows a little bit more and also has a Cuban mother-in-law so can probably relate because even in her season her husband's mother was openly neurotic

[@liyam.6017]

Simply Simone soooo one sided! She doesn’t even consider other motives and feelings. Not a fan of this analysis !

[@Witchescouldrun]

I actually agree with Rachel's points, almost entirely.

[@heatherryan3969]

Many people are saying that Madison shouldn't have come on the show while honestly Peter is the one that shouldn't have come on the show. In no way is Peter ready for marriage nor will he be for a long time.

[@nikkiwillem]

I literally don't understand why Rachel or anyone keeps saying people know what they sign up for when they come on the show in regards to the fantasy suites. As if only those who are fine with that portion of the show should apply? Those fantasy suite dates are NOT written in stone and people are entitled to navigate them how they see fit. It's very evident these are the "new" franchise cast members because there have been several examples in the past where the lead does not choose to sleep with multiple people. Emily Maynard chose not to have over night dates because she wanted to be a good role model for her child.... Sean Lowe was very open about his past and how he chose celibacy until marriage. Nick Vial has stated he was only intimate with Vanessa because he knew he was going to choose her. Colton didn't take anyone to the fantasy suites..the list goes on and on....People are entitled to remain true to themselves and let everything play out.. WITHOUT conforming to this normalcy of fantasy suites. ALSO they used to never really disclose what went on in those overnight dates and now every season its all about sex for the story line.. ugh I miss the way the show used to be. It used to be a lot more organic and felt more personal to the individuals and their personalities and lives playing out. Now everything is clearly maniuplated and produced more than it's ever been.

[@SB-uj8gg]

💯💯 Exactly!! Thank you for saying that.

[@janeryan2709]

Well, you can navigate YOUR OWN fantasy suite date as you see fit. You can't dictate how the Bachelor does LOL

[@tayediggss]

If she was the lead, all this grammar would make sense. SHE WASN'T IN THE DRIVER'S SIT LIKE THE EXAMPLES YOU MENTIONED.

[@lizzicream4330]

Nikki W Colton took Tayshia but didn’t sleep with her!

[@CathyQuinto]

Exactly!!!!

[@mvsonalexander]

This is a dumb explanation of why she thinks Madison would just go on the show for tv time. She was the one girl in the house who never got in any drama or issues! She kept to herself and focused on her and Peter. The only issue that came up was fantasy suites!

[@Billiedakid]

Benjamin Mason is called strategy you dumb ass

[@astrydxo]

Siria Mendez Exactly 👏🏽

[@myfosterpets___3267]

For real , she doesn’t make good statements. First of all . Madison reject peter because he slept with others woman’s after that everything started going down hill .

[@taramatisahadeo9013]

That us not true.She loves Peter and Madison is genuine. She is is a very intelligent and beautiful young woman

[@moon230686]

It is what it is.

[@lexBhere]

How about we hear what MADISON has to say. I'm done hearing everyone else's OPINIONS.

[@jenniferbrooks2615]

I agree. Let's hear from virgin Madison

[@orebademosi2975]

She had her chance multiple times to speak up .... and hasn’t said anything we don’t already know lol.

[@caileysuitelifee]

Barb said Madison is too religious /spiritual then says to peter that I’m talking to my God and he says to pick Hannah Ann. Barb met Madison at her vow Renewal she didn’t even mention how kind and loving Madison was towards the whole family . She said Madison showed no love and that they never met . Also madi did say in the finale that she had no hate towards the Weber and that they should keep it in the past. Barb should stop controlling peters life just like how she’s controlling her husbands by whispering in his ear at the finale to help her and say something bad in Spanish. (also that peter was sabotaged by his mom to pick hannah ann and give this a go and leave madi) Peter was seen at church the other day go look at Justin Bieber interview Called arrange marriage with Demi . Justin said he saw peter at church on Sunday . Also peter is going to same charity in Africa in May . A godly woman like Madison can bring out the best version in peter ... barb I’m only scared that he won’t go line dancing and do the Cuban sex life she wants her son to do . Also Chris harrison said that madison was late due to peter and producers wanted drama to not match the timing . Also maidson told peter she loves him before entering his parents house , but barb pushed madi away and madi got the clarity to leave peter . but since she loved peter she came back .....it's all barb's fault for interfering in a relationship . it also said that barb broke peter up from his high school relationship with a girl it's in the news,,, look how controlling barb is

[@jenniferbrooks2615]

@@caileysuitelifee 9

[@jenniferbrooks2615]

Chris Harrison is always pushing Madison for some reason you just need to watch him around her. He has been that way all season but a lot more at the end. He never should have chased her down.

[@neerasinha-frazer2094]

Also Rachel’s assuming Madison is scheming & conniving. She’s a 23 year old girl who’s sorting out her feelings. I agree it would have been ideal to tell Peter earlier but she’s not perfect. Peter is far from it too.

[@mocita_]

23 isn’t that young to be a schemer

[@keepinglifeflowing8392]

Rachel is wrong. Rewatch the episode. Madison told his Mother, on camera, that she loved Peter and she saw a future with him. Chris Harrison said that Madison was not totally responsible for the delay. Barb was grasping for straws when trying to come up with a reason to dislike Madison. Additionally, other celibate/virgin men have led this show. Colton? Sean? Rachel is just plain wrong.

[@LoveIsKind2008]

Keeping Life Flowing I’ve been waiting for somebody to bring this up!! Lol I was starting to think I hadn’t heard Madison tell Peter’s Mum that she loved him. And the way she spoke about Peter with his Dad she seemed so genuine when she told him she ultimately wanted Peter to be happy. I felt like she was very raw and honest

[@luv2467]

Keeping Life Flowing I can’t stand Rachel!!!!

[@sammyy9223]

No Rachel is absolutely RIGHT

[@christinesmith3931]

Yes, thank you. What Barb said was she asked Madi if she was "madly in love" with Peter to which Madi said "no." That's different than not saying that she loved him at all. I don't really see anything subversive going on with Madi, she was mad at Peter at that time anyway. Barb was offended that she wasn't effusively accepting of all Peter's decisions.

[@sarahkelly3234]

MADISON is a Better person than Rachel bc he don't talk about people. Nor do she lie about people.

[@camwall]

Thank you Rachel for saying the things that need to be said! This is what I have been saying about her.

[@abigailmintah5148]

Exactly.

[@abigailmintah5148]

Exactly. The issue is deeper than it seems and ppl judge Madison because she appears innocent, is a virgin, is religious and spiritual but the have forgotten it doesn't give character. And nobody knows Madison personally. You can see she has some arrogance, proud and disrespectful tone to her.

[@kevindurant4537]

@@abigailmintah5148 She is so fake.

[@cellyrasa5249]

Racheal said everything that was on my mind!!!!

[@abigailmintah5148]

Mine too

[@Mama_Bear88]

Same.

[@yandy3419]

Me too.

[@jadesmith4960]

Rachel is so irritating how she spreads opinions like facts, and I’m so sick of the fantasy suite argument. “You know what you’re getting into” why can’t we set new expectations? I bet more people would last if they stopped using their position as lead as a free pass to do what or whoever they want without consequence until they make their final choice.

[@tiffanimcmillian3058]

Like i get what your saying however madison shouldve disclosed how she felt abt the suits and that she was saving herself way before she did

[@jadesmith4960]

Tiffani Asbury She waited to build a connection before being labeled a prude or virgin. I don’t blame her for that. She said it before fantasy suites and that’s all that matters. If he knew she wasn’t worth making that sacrifice for at that point, he could have sent her home. It would have only been unfair of her if she were to not have mentioned it until after. And honestly this whole fantasy suites is ridiculous and she was right to being that conversation to the light. Sleeping with 1 or more people days before proposing should not be accepted as normal. This is why people don’t last. Many people can’t get over the fact that the person they love was intimate with others while they were dating them, regardless of if they “knew what they were signing up for”. So knowing that, I believe all leads, whether male or female, should act accordingly and consider the feelings of their eventual winner, even if they don’t know who it is right now. If they don’t want to, fine, but they should stop being excused for a clear disregard of someone’s feelings. And to be clear I’m not a Virgin or a Christian. I’m an Atheist, and I actually don’t like the fact that Madi is saving herself for marriage on account of God, but that’s not the argument. The argument is that regardless of if she was a Virgin saving herself, her points were valid. I’m not a Virgin and I would have said the exact same thing had I been in her shoes.

[@tthompson7609]

Jade Smith yeah... you’re clearly upset! But for the wrong reasons. Stop blaming Rachel! It’s not about her.

[@priyankajaiswal7756]

I agree Rachel spreading her opinion as facts😅

[@annatshamboko8017]

And the previous bachelor and bachelorette set the standards. Madison can set her own. I think she told Peter at the right time when it mattered that she is saving herself.

[@ismarycastro8212]

I am with you Rachel. I think that Barb definitely let her emotions take over the situation and didn’t know how to express them and choose the incorrect place to do so but, I can see where she’s coming from. She’s scared of Peter changing who he is to fit into Madis world. The bottom line is Peter and Madi are two completely different people and as a mom the biggest concern is to protect who he is and the person she raised and that was triggered by Madison stubbornness. Madison didn’t look like she wanted to find common grounds with Peter. Being a strong minded woman is a beautiful thing but where do you draw the line between self betrayal and coping and acceptance? So I think she put her, Peter and his family in a one way route type situation and that’s what provoked Barbs behavior.

[@marlycerodriguez8976]

Who can blame Barb for wanting to see her son choose someone who was completely in love with her son and who was most compatible with the son she knows inside and out. She watched him get his heart broken by the other Hannah and didn't want him to pick a lady who wasn't going to fit him completely. Barb's emotional personality is definately in line with the Cuban culture.

[@tihigreen]

Sean Lowe WAS that type of man and he was the bachelor. And what is she saying about her own husband here, or herself?

[@draven31]

Tihomira Green THIS

[@jat7244]

Exactly, and peter is NOT that. Madison should have known this as soon as Peter was announced the Bachelor. And what’s she’s saying is that Hispanic moms are very involved in their kids relationship and she can relate because she married to Brian...why does everyone keep excusing Madison’s purpose on the show?

[@EllDuclos]

Jat heard she originally applied for the virgin Colton’s season. Maybe everyone should stop judging Madison’s intentions since you don’t know her personally and she acted maturely all season.

[@LoveIsKind2008]

EllDuclos I agree with you, none of us have any idea what Madison’s intentions were...who are we to judge

[@Selina20955]

But Sean Lowe Said it from the start and Colton to !! Why Madison waited until almost the end of the show to talk about her morals to Peter? she should have let him know from the start ....why she's back ?!..cause obviously he was engaged to Hannah A. And was intimate with her! Which is one of the things Madison said wasn't going to settle with.

[@bony0889]

This is why I love Rachel and why there won't be anyone like her. She has a perspective like no one else.

[@bony0889]

@@realwoodruff5107 i hope u have noted the no. Of times Rachel in the interview said that she dsnt support Barbara's tone or delivery. It's really not about being Team Madison or Team Barbara. It us about understanding the situation and Rachel simply questions Madison's holier-than-thou portrayal of herself whereby also not undermining Barbara's hyper exhibition of her protectiveness towards her son.

[@jareya]

so true!

[@mariacanales8558]

Madison wants to make money for her missionary trips.

[@10spot2006]

Everybody got blinders on when it comes to Madison I don’t ,Rachel doesn’t and people that can clearly see through the bull shit doesn’t either it’s not just one thing with her it’s a combination of things

[@EllDuclos]

All I got from this video was Rachel judging Madi after preaching about don’t judge and don’t bully. No one knows madis real intentions. And honestly she was extremely mature while Barb was extremely immature. Hate to see it.

[@BATOOLESK]

I agree but almost all contestants come on the show for the wrong reasons so why single madi out ?!

[@10spot2006]

Beeba it’s because the way she did everything her life style and Peter’s doesn’t fit she had a chance too tell him everything about her she didn’t as they got closer to the end she dropped hits here and there but he didn’t even know she was a Virgin until the episode aired the other women spoke there truth and when you make someone wait 3hr on you it’s Best too apologize not say It Is what it is

[@ileana823100]

I also do not wear blinders when it comes to Madison

[@Simplelivingslowliving]

Exactly. I also see thru the bs , but let's just wait and see how far this goes.

[@NessaNote]

As a Spanish speaker, she definitely said “bad” 😂🙈

[@amandatidey5751]

I love how Peter continuously said "this process works"...did he forget he was on Hannah's season....and what happened there? When the hell did he ever experience the process working?

[@Jazzy-mp1tp]

Finally someone making sense!!! Rachel is smart that’s why she sees past Maddison’s BS she didn’t come to the show for the right reasons. She wasn’t giving herself to peter (not sex!!!) HERSELF!

[@emrosey_nielsen]

who tells someone they’re a virgin on the second date? give me a break rachel 🙄 madison loves him just like we all love people despite the obstacles. love is BLIND. plus i heard the agent was for basketball so why is it such a big deal.

[@evelynjimenez8822]

emily rose anderson literally like told all of them pretty early, as well as other people so.

[@rositamartic5019]

Someone who comes on The Bachelor

[@absolutetrash6226]

emily rose anderson It's not the virginity part. She doesn't have to tell anyone she's a virgin. No one cares about the status of your sexual experience. It's the fact that she at the moment, did not want to be intimate before marriage and she didn't want Peter to be intimate with the other women either. That is important, because that involves the other person too. When you're looking to marry someone, they need to know what your plans are when it comes to intimacy and they also need to know about your religion, because those are two things that definitely may have a very strong impact on your relationship.

[@deandrecone3613]

I don’t think Rachel was saying Madison needed to display her virginity on the second date.. i think she was making a point just let he or she know your beliefs on the topic or let the person know this is where you stand if your gonna be serious with someone.. cuz I agree I’m not gonna tell someone I’m a virgin on the 1st, 2nd or 3nd date but I will at least explain or let you know my beliefs on a sexual topic..

[@DeliaSerene]

emily rose anderson a second date in real life is COMPLETELY different than a bachelor second date

[@tihigreen]

Madison did not disrespect Barbara in any way. What is Rachel talking about?

[@sarahkelly3234]

Would you have this woman represent you for anything. My answer is no way.

[@Jenni.P]

The thing is maddie EXPLICITLY said to bard that she wasn't in love with her son and would not accept a proposal so if I was barb I wouldn't like her either. (I would have been more mature about it though)

[@teresaelizabethdurham8776]

@@Jenni.P and when answered to Barb " it is what it is" it was rude

[@tracilord4854]

Tihomira Green did you have blunders on? Mad Maddie is so Rude and a Spoiled Brat

[@AkSonya1010]

I agree with Rachel 100%, Maddie went on the show to stay as long as she could. I do not think Maddie's intentions were as pure as she wants to portray. I think she did this for fame and fortune. I said this before the last two episodes and AFR.

[@novaturient425]

Rachel is over here insinuating that Madison came on the show to be famous when she's on every talk show, every season giving her giving her opinions. We all know that Rachel is the one who's chasing fame. Since her season ended she's been popping up everywhere trying to stay In the the limelight. She LOVES it! Lol. Rachel girl you know you're addicted to the all the attention and the $$$. Don't sit there throwing stones at Madison when you know you have an agent too. Lol. Isn't she a lawyer?? she gave up her legal career to be a Bachelor commentator??

[@hleziphidhlamini1012]

She is leaving her best life n these production companies like her n her opinion. Every is allowed to have more than 1 career. You shud do the same 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@wearenotpoetsx]

@@hleziphidhlamini1012 FACTS. haters gonna hate. why shouldn't she secure every bag AND a hubby?? all the others do it. Also i loveee watching Rachel thrive.

[@lifesinceseptember]

It’s possible Peter knew from the jump that he was in it just for the “Bachelor” ride. Doesn’t seem to me he is anywhere near being ready to be in a committed relationship and acted so damn confused the whole time. Victoria F was the best match for him in my humble opinion...the chemistry between them was jumping off the TV screen but he chose Madison instead🤷🏽‍♀️

[@neeshashah263]

no way, Peter was wayyyyyy more into VF than she was into him. I think she only really realized she liked him for real was after the fantasy suits and then he dumped her for Madison cause I think he was afraid of the backlash it would mean for him if it looked like he was shaming her for being a virgin and brining up really really good points about the "6 days later" proposal thing. And he def had to keep Hannah Ann around as his sort of back up plan like you said because he was in it just for the "bachelor" ride and he knew he could end it with her and then break up away from the cameras if he stuck it out for a couple of months

[@margaretwiley8146]

I don't think he was over Hannah B. Yet! I don't think he was really ready for a new relationship......just my thoughts

[@humankaleidoscope4989]

@@margaretwiley8146 exactly. That's why it was a joke for him to be the bachelor in the first place.

[@SavvyMuhon]

Victoria F is a home wrecker

[@lightgivener]

I do think that after the Hanna b hurt he just wanted someone to live him like he loves. And then had somewhat real feelings that go beyond that validation. From the beginning I thought wow that guy is really not used to all this attention from girls and he is bathing in it and jumping at every opportunity - even if this are parralel and simultaneous. ... :/ Sweet basis but really stupid execution

[@thatgirlinautumn5995]

The "taking him back" - part makes a lot more sense if you consider Madison's age... I don't personally believe in a conspiracy, I believe in insecurity and indecisiveness (which is the most normal thing at that age)

[@Shay-yg7nm]

Yes 100% what more can you expect from a 23 yr old.

[@Karen_G.]

@@Shay-yg7nm This is the Bachelor and many go on trying to get a career in television. She is smart enough to have an agent already.

[@franziskamaria5157]

Karen G. Exactly Hannah G had the same agent from the first episode her bachelor season went on tv

[@juliannatrure]

I 100% AGREE WITH RACHEL.

[@ohhdanggx94]

Julianna Trujillo same!! I feel like people are experiencing the “halo effect” with Madison but that shit doesn’t fool me 😂

[@kaybailey1964]

Disagree

[@vena180]

Rachel opened her legs for two men and is probably mad that someone sticks to the virginity thing and defends the evilness of this world!

[@racharmian3449]

Rachel held herself so well with this interviewer!

[@emerald637]

I 100% disagree with Rachel. She is not a fan of Madison and does not consider anything from Madison's point of view. She does not know everything that was involved. Why did Madison come on the show? Because she was hoping to find a Sean or a Colton, which both had/have saved themselves for the holy union of marriage. Sean professed to a re-born virgin until he and Catherine said their marriage vows. Madison had spoken of her strong Christian faith from the very beginning. No one was willing to listen to her on the subject matter, especially Peter.

[@saraclaytonn]

apparently she also originally signed up to be on coltons season

[@dhines3804]

I can’t believe Rachael is standing up for Barb after just last week she was on the show talking about bullying of women on the show. Yet, Barb was definitely a bully to Madison. Her behavior was not acceptable...was abusive! I don’t think Madison was rude to Barb. I think she was classy and restrained from being rude.

[@jnaps2062]

D Hines laughing when barb is talking is not rude? Respond to ur future husband mother “it’s is what it is” ! It not rude?

[@carmenvazquez3514]

I agree 100%

[@jeannewomack7265]

How can you be Team Barb?? What a wicked witch and very rude, condescending and SELFISH Drama Queen! She clearly was thinking of herself first!

[@RoofG]

She didn't say " I don't love your son " she said she can't accept a proposal in order to marry him right away. Marriage isn't easy like you think. Rechel, you are wrong and wrong!!

[@astrydxo]

How do you know she didn’t said that? Madison never cleared that message when peters mom said it? 🤔 רות רות

[@astrydxo]

רות רות like Rachel said all she said was “ it is what is is....

[@larag9597]

Aaaaand less than a day later, Rachel is proven 100% correct.

[@truthwisdom1824]

Rachel, everything you said here makes complete sense where as many including Peter, are worshipping Madison’s Virginity and think Madison equal to Virgin Mary. 😆

[@abigailmintah5148]

She's not the angel everyone thinks she is

[@ashtyncornett693]

Barb had a right to say what she wanted. Yes I think she took things too far, but she was right Madison is not going to change for Peter. Hannah Ann was the best thing for him and he let her go.

[@princeike9001]

ashtyn cornett and he didn’t love Hannah Ann to the extent of giving her his full love and attention, he proposed to her because she was is last option and to please his family. He loves Madison but I don’t think the relationship will survive long.

[@ashtyncornett693]

@@princeike9001 same. He really changed how I think about him.

[@jmlx7179]

Peter chose her and Madison opted to come back. They should know what works best for them. It’s like your season Rachel, I was baffled when it seemed like you only chose Bryan after your theatrical breakup with Peter Kraus (and I had a side eye then) the night before Bryan proposed to you. So, let Peter and Madison work it out.

[@AmandaTitus85]

Juliette Jewelz this is just completely different from her season... not even close

[@lisamotley5682]

I was not baffled by Rachel picking Bryan and neither were her guys. She was completely biased her entire season. People see what they want to see. She was never picking Peter and he was not into her, body language said so. I agree with her on this situation as well. 😎

[@jeannewomack7265]

I knew Bryan was a good guy all along but I never liked Peter.. lol I was SO glad they didn't make him the Bachelor..Whew...boring.. Haha. Rachel thought Bryan was too good to be true.. but he wasn't! :D He and my nephew are basically twins..:)

[@MJ95630]

BAM!

[@iseerightthrucapandbullcra1134]

Rachel did not break off an engagement to get with another bachelor,, sorry no comparisons

[@shaunessystuart3320]

It is absolutely disgusting the way Rachel has put Madison’s intentions on trial in every podcast, interview, etc. I haven’t seen her do that with anyone else. She doesn’t realize the negative light she’s putting Madi in every single time and how hypocritical it is after her anti-bullying speech. Someone can have a counterpoint to every negative point she makes about Madison, but she won’t accept them. 1) why is she on the show? Doesn’t she know what happens here? You mean like the last bachelor being a virgin and leaving the last 2 to be with the one he loved? That show? And she can say oh well Peter was known for his “windmill sex,” well she may well have been cast before he was even chosen. Or even thought hey that was then, maybe this’ll be different when he’s choosing one woman for himself. Who knows but to say she shouldn’t even come on the show cause she has specific standards is so discriminatory against devout believers of many faiths that it’s so disappointing to see her push that argument. What so the bachelor only wants girls on it to get that fantasy suite date? 2) she should’ve told him sooner. Why?? It’s not like she could’ve predicted how far she would get in the season. She’s supposed to reveal that to all of America on her first night when the boy has barely learned her name? Get real. She did the mature thing when she realized how dissimilar their values are and left. His behavior afterwards is not her fault...and hello, changing people is part of a being in a relationship. Like if he wants to be stronger and grow in his faith and he’s attracted to that in Madison, let him figure out if that’s for him or not instead of immediately saying they’re not compatible cause he’s not as devout. Goodness, people are so petty and ridiculous as to say you know what’s best for the both of them and their lives like they’re not grown adults who will figure out whether or not they can be together. Why make it worse by constantly tearing them down when you know they just want a supporting caring friend?

[@Katya.s]

Shaunessy Stuart wow so well articulated👏🏽

[@shaunessystuart3320]

Katya Semyonova Thank you

[@bonnieisms]

Rachel is literally the truth queen!!!

[@venture4vitality928]

It's ironic that Rachel Lindsay is making money from this appearance, but simultaneously wants to shoot down Madison for getting an agent and possibly doing the same. I like Rachel, and I think she makes a lot of valid points here. But let's all be real, the possibility of making a living after being a contestant on the bachelor is a real thing.

[@maureenmucureezi7099]

Who said its a bad thing. The QN is..are we here for a shot at love or mostly for a platform. Its okay to say that...

[@annaanakhasyan2246]

I completely agree with Rachel. She is the only one who makes the most sense right now lol

[@rachelcameron753]

Barbs points about how they are not compatible are valid, and it makes sense from what she saw of the two of them that she’d want Peter to pick Hannah Ann. But rolling your eyes and publicly bashing a 23 year old who did nothing wrong but stay true to who she is and what she believes is so inappropriate and rude. The compatibility issues between Madison and Peter come from BOTH ends, not just Madi. Neither of them are wrong, they are just different. Barbs arguments and opinions about whether they are a good match may have some truth, but there are MUCH better ways to express that, without attacking Madi in front of a live audience. Also, at some point she needs to let Peter follow his heart and figure it out for himself. He took the road she wanted and proposed to Hannah Ann and that clearly didn’t work out. He needs to handle this himself. .... alright rant over ✌🏼

[@mkmerth]

I totally agree. It’s one thing to agree with her points but I do not agree at all with her behavior. Just rude and uncalled for in a public setting. She came off controlling and like a mother in law I would not want to have.

[@brandi.marble]

I just don’t like people trying to guess if people were there for the right reasons. I think it’s unfair because we can all speculate. I think though that Barb was absolutely shaming her. Hiring an agent isn’t wrong though. We can not fault people for using a platform they have created. They all will what’s wrong with her being smart and taking advantage of the situation? Also Barb went way too far. As a parent you have to allow your child to make their own choices and Barb in a strong sense took that away. I agree with her they won’t work out. However, that’s for them to figure out and not his mother to tell him to decide. It’s just my opinion and I’m probably the only one. But I think he “chose” Hannah Ann because she got in his head too much.

[@iamdidi.]

I agree with this so much....how do you guys know ANY OF THOSE GIRLS were not there to get followers? bc they prob were. I think Madison is just milking the situation which is what I would do. But she loves Peter and wants it to work for them, I just think barb ruined their future tho. I don't think madi knew she would get this far and ended up liking Peter so she stayed till the very end. If Rachel says that she would have self eliminated but she didn't because of her "tv time" well she actually did leave him and it was chris who went to alabama to talk to Madi about her feelings. Rachel is so wrong on this.

[@2008Littleone]

That Marble Life, I think Peter chose Hanna A. because his mother, father and brother wanted him to. It should have been Peter's decision, but he allowed them to make it for him.

[@brandi.marble]

daisy v no shame to Rachel on anything just sharing my thoughts on this specific comment that people make all the time. I think we all need to realize that the girls all know that the show brings a platform and they have every right to take advantage of that no matter when they finish on the show. I agree they are no compatible in my opinion but I’m not Madi and I’m not Peter so at the end of the day it’s not up to me to decide that or if they are in this all for the “right reasons” Rachel has made it clear she thinks Madi has never been there for Peter but again I just have a hard time with any of us out of themselves saying that because only the person themselves know. Same as Alayah. She was accused of all those things. And yet nobody ever could back it.

[@moreover1238]

Rachel, you are vilifying Madison by trying to qualify bits of information you are getting into a court case narrative. Barb should have been put on trial instead. She raised a son who CLEARLY didn’t know what love is... and tries to please everyone (who knows... he might have picked Hannah Ann because his mum was so tearfully convincing). She shouldn’t have spoken in Spanish to get her husband to support her claims to tear down her own son cuz Barb just basically showed the world how coercive she is. Post season, Peter is going to get hammered by Bachelor Nation in public and he would need all the support frm his family to not go into a mental breakdown and THeRe she is... public shaming them. Terrible

[@tthompson7609]

moreover123 she’s not shaming them you sensitive ass!

[@estherfife3300]

Rachael, I love you but I totallllly disagree with you about Madison's intentions. You can be aware of the lifestyle of someone and still fall in love with them - genuinely - but realize after thinking it though that it may not work- panic - call it off- then decide- heck I'm gonna give it a try.....its happened to me. Why would you think she has other motives when Peter also went back and forth, just like she did.....Madison, then Hannah, then Madison again.....and he is still confused.....

[@livizaft6071]

Barbara saying that Madison was three hours late to meeting them, well first of all it wasn’t just Madison, she was with Peter also, and it wasn’t like she was doing makeup, she and Peter were having a good, meaningful talk.

[@chio7496]

lol. This one is upset cos Madi didnt grant her an interview.. she has an agent. Why is that news please? Who are you to judge her for that? We all know you hustled to remain on TV after your season. If she wants a career outta this, you especially dont have the right to judge her. I like you but you can be so annoying sometimes. As for Madi, i blame her for going back to that man child. She didnt do anything wrong on the show. Im just mad she went to California to talk to peter just cos Chris told her to. He claims to love her but that man child has never done anything to prove his love. When you claim to love a woman, you dont go sleeping with others. When she left cos she was devastated by your actions, You didnt go after her like colton did. She still came back to your dumbass. You sit there and expect her to do all the fighting. His irritating mother had the audacity to say Madi did not compromise. She is the reason her son is a hot mess. Madi please RUN!!!...oh and get your coin while at it.

[@karenramos1440]

Chichi Okeke i couldn’t have said it better myself

[@chinwenduibe6665]

👏👏👏👏 A standing ovation, you summarized the entire thing.

[@sarahkelly3234]

Madi not grating her an interview tells me Madi is more mature than her. What is there to talk to her about? What does Madi benefit by resharing garbage🤣

[@tonibrooks9719]

I am team Barb. I don’t think that parents have to support everything their children do. The show is at fault because they had the camera on Barb the entire time. They knew how she felt and were trying to make a spectacle of a show. I think her delivery could have been better but when you are in the heat of the moment and your emotions are high, you lose sight of being politically correct. Barb knows her son better than any of us, so she knew that Peter and Madison would not work because their lifestyles were to off course.

[@EmonieVlogs]

Madison wasn’t over Peter 3 months after she left. So why would you think she was lying?

[@tayediggss]

The reason she left didn't change so why did she come back?

[@rinnahroe9908]

Emonie Vlogs n such because this rachel is bias she talks trash about peter but calling herself peter sister

[@halliegrillot4109]

Digital Taye because she genuinely loves him and wants to believe it can be different even if it probably won’t be.

[@tayediggss]

@@halliegrillot4109 that's a joke not love. They didn't look like 2 people who love each other on that couch.

[@halliegrillot4109]

Digital Taye you don’t get to tell people how they feel people like you who everyone has malicious intent. You can believe what you want I want to believe that not everyone is as negative as you. I think Madi loves him, I think he loves her but he loved the chase. I think they are different but that they are grown adults who are literally telling people that they Love each and they’re going to try so people like you need to leave them alone and let them try.

[@Georgia-dq7ii]

THANK YOU Madison for teaching these woman a lesson you don't need to have SEX on the show REALLY! Whether you are a bachelorette or a contestant you don't have to sleep with someone in the fantasy suite on the show.

[@kellyhenderson9972]

Rachel and I agree. When you start having no respect for your elders , and the body language of Maddie says it all. Barb is dramatic and she goes too far , but this is her baby boy. No matter what everyone thinks , Peter is super young. 25? this isn’t his wife. He will not end up staying with this woman. They have way too Many differing values. Not to mention interests. It’s not going to last. He likes the chase. That’s why he liked Victoria F. Drama . Could see Peter was more into Maddie than she was into him. Peter wears his heart on his sleeves. The way that Maddie carried herself and was so smug , and cavalier. Not cool. I would hope her parents taught her to respect her elders more than that. Regardless of the fact that she has vitriolic, bitter feelings toward Maddie , it’s prudent to bite your tongue and apologize. Especially if you want something lasting. Clearly Barb is angry about more than just being stood up for 3 hours. We aren’t getting the whole story.

[@princeike9001]

Kelly Henderson respect is reciprocal, you can’t be rude to me and expect respect in return. Did you not hear Chris saying Madison been late was because of she having a discussion with peter if they should bring this (relationship) into live tv.

[@jennychen8826]

He’s 28

[@fitgirlfeasts697]

Madison gave her more respect than she deserved. Barb was vitriolic and rude. She deserved NO respect and yet Madison at least respected her enough not to retaliate

[@abigailmintah5148]

Exactly my point

[@aprodite7344]

@@princeike9001 WRONG....if she loved the son she'd be respectful the parents....she's a smug, arrogant little shit & a fame hunter...& Barb see's through her

[@memem8530]

Rachel is amazing! She said every thought on my mind, let’s not forget Madison aka the “honest nun” has had a fake Fanpage from which she was praising herself and accidentally mixed up with her personal account!

[@EvenStevenSays]

Ouch Billy YOU’RE YELLING INTO MY EARS. Poor sound guy.

[@adwoamk8918]

Rachel, chill you were no different. You came on show to get yourself a dream job as a sports presenter. I agree, why did Madi come on show and date a guy that has values that are the opposite of hers, she chose Peter first, but she's no different from many of the other contestants so why call out Madi in such a slanderous why. Maybe she's like Ashley I and up the producers ass, I actually thought Rachel was smarter than that. I guess she has to play the game.

[@nohemyjohnson4985]

Rachel has never denied her own reasons. She also isn’t comparing she is trying to analysis the situation

[@t.b.4025]

Every time someone criticize Rachel they will have people attacking them . She can't be criticized, everybody should interview her and agree with her , for the same reason she was a bachelor Because she is black. So if you criticize her you are a hater. I am a hispanic woman by the way.

[@mynameiskam9139]

T.B. You including that you’re Hispanic doesn’t automatically mean you cannot be racist or perceived that way. Your comment made no sense. Rachel never says that people cannot disagree with her look at her podcast or any interview with her people disagree with her all the time

[@t.b.4025]

@@mynameiskam9139 , What about you , are you qualified to know if I am racist or not. Because I am not black , I cannot criticize a black person. I use to love Rachel, but lately she is being nasty to a lot of people.Being a bachelorete doesn't qualify her to judge people's character. She just accused some one she does not know, to lie and be there for a career. She is the one who is doing a career of being a bachelor.

[@nohemyjohnson4985]

@@t.b.4025 I think it is healthy for people to be critical of others. I think we are all doing exactly what you think Rachel has been doing lately. I personally do not think Rachel said anything "nasty", I think she has owned up to the fact that she has benefited from this franchise but she has also stated how she feels, as the only person of color who has been a lead, she has had to be a bit more critical bc no one else is. Which could be why it seems she is being "nasty". She is on a talk show where that is their job. To make assumptions. She has not attacked a person who they are but of their actions. So idk maybe people think if you make assumptions on behaviors then you are attacking the person and who they are and their values. Idk everyone has their own subjective thoughts on what they believe is being attacked or nasty or whatever it could be

[@susanoverstreet2355]

It makes no sense for a mother to embarrass her son like that on national tv. If she felt that way, she should have talked with Peter in private! Regardless whether anyone likes Madison or not, it’s Peter’s choice. Madison is so lucky to dodge Barb as a mother-in-law!

[@ksc743]

I wonder how all this is playing out at home? Is Peter still living there? But knowing him he's a very forgiving guy and family comes first so it's prob fine.

[@ginevrawilliams866]

Rachel chose Bryan after Peter Krause refused to become engaged to her. How soon she forgot.

[@jackiebenjamin8772]

She was always for Bryan.

[@Aliciass1817]

Well that's true. I remember she was so into Peter Krause. She wanted Peter Krause to stay so badly but he end up dumping her, at that time she was totally hysterical, she was crying and begging Peter Krause to stay. In the end she has to save her reputation she chosen Bryan, she is damn lucky coz Bryan really is a good guy. Of course she will not just settle like that when the finale time she met up with Peter Krause again she did not let him feel any easier it is like her revenge time for her to torture him.

[@susanb598]

Thank you!!!

[@jeannewomack7265]

@@Aliciass1817 I was scratching my head during that last encounter with peter, like WHY???? What did you see in him? Lol

[@sarahkelly3234]

This woman is unreal. Can she go back and view her season.

[@2008Littleone]

I use to like you Rachel Lindsay, but where you're going with agreeing with this Barb lady is making me think differently of you. Hummmm! Are you an analyst? Why do YOU need to try to understand and make since of what happened in the show?You don't know Madison's heart. Wake up, Rachel Lindsay! You're causing people to start not to like you girl.

[@tthompson7609]

Fire Child what? You make no fucking sense how is Rachel causing people to not like her. We love Rachel.

[@colinchevarie3499]

Didn't rachel just go on the bachelor and say don't bully people on social media and yet starting rumours just because thats her conspiracy theory to hurt somebody isn't bullying.

[@nitsuhmulugeta3900]

Colin Chevarie lol is this your other account Madison 😂😂😂

[@pauladonnelly3367]

Why should she not have an Agent ? Maybe it was the Agent who helped her with how to have such class, be well spoken and how to respond well and not crumble on the final show! She could go far with an agent and so why not?

[@jeannewomack7265]

They likely approached her..

[@LoveIsKind2008]

I agree, after everything she’s been through it sounds like she needed it

[@brandi.marble]

I think all these people should after being on this show. The damage it can do to you. Absolutely they should.

[@EllDuclos]

People are so quick to judge Madi and it’s a damn shame. Out of all people too, just preached about judging and bullying on the show. What a let down.

[@Simplelivingslowliving]

If you have an agenda might as well get an agent.

[@jennifermarie3975]

I do agree with Rachel when she said "why did Madison come on the show in the first place?" And to me it doesn't make any sense. A really religious person who has such strong beliefs would go anywhere BUT the bachelor, ESPECIALLY with Peter being the lead. He's been one of the most sexual ones yet, I mean he's known as the "4 times in a windmill" guy. I don't think she came on with the right intentions, definitely trying to gain some followers and get some fame. She does seem like a really good person and I respect her for staying true to her beliefs but the reasons for coming on the show don't make any sense to me

[@michellemaina7397]

Totally agree with you sis... doesn't make sense at all why she signed up for such a show...I totally agree with what Rachel said about Madison..

[@jeannewomack7265]

Madison owned Barb in her maturity and respect level, just saying..

[@celestechavez3464]

It's crazy to me how everyone assumes what Madi's intentions were. What's your PROOF? Also, seems like people are basing their support for Barb on her WORDS. Sure her "concerns" seemed reasonable. But let's talk about her ACTIONS. I've dealt with people that exhibited similar patterns of behavior to Barb in both my professional and personal life. With that being said, after watching this season play out and post season, I have much more compassion for Peter. At the heart of him, I feel that he is a good person. My heart also goes out to the girls involved. For me, it was never about #teamMadi or #teamHannahAnn, though they are both beautiful and neat girls, it was about LOVE and who Peter could give his whole heart to. That's not something for Barb to decide, for Rachel Lindsay to decide, for Chris Harrison, or me or YOU, to decide! Speaking in GENERAL, whether or not it will work out, no one can say. (Case in point, my husband and I). When did any of you become GOD?! I disagree with Rachel's argument. First of all, if Peter and his parents (BARB) were on board from the get-go, knowing, as Barb later explained, that he was an indecisive, fickle, partier, still-living-at-home, boy - why did THEY come on the show?! WHY?! HYPOCRITES! Remember, actions speak louder than words! Secondly, what is wrong with a faithful virgin looking for love in this manner? There have been many previous cast members that had similarly high standards. Everybody's love story is unique. Love can be found anywhere, at any time! (Again, case in point, my husband and I). Thirdly, let's be "real" here about this "reality" tv show. If someone you were dating told you they loved you (like Peter did with Madi BEFORE any of the other girls, and BEFORE Fantasy Suites), and you voiced your expectations and feelings to them (even if awkwardly), then they DID the exact opposite, wouldn't you also feel betrayed and incredibly hurt?! Also, again in "real" life, if someone slept with two other people a week before potentially proposing to you, out of SELF-RESPECT, wouldn't you have a hard time with moving forward in the relationship with that person?! There is nothing wrong with self-respect or high standards. OR being REAL. I'm sure not everyone that has taken the opportunity to have that Fantasy-Suite time has slept together. Fourthly, let's talk about the girls meeting the family (BARB). We definitely got to see a lot more of BARB at the end of the season, right? Peter let his family know BEFORE they met either girl that his heart was with Madi. He also disclosed (bad move) some very private info about their relationships. When Hannah Ann met the family, she was immediately madly in love, emotional, mild mannered, and submissive. (To Peter) You can do whatever you want, whatever you need to do, you know? I will always be here. How would that translate to Peter's mom? Think about it. Then Madi comes into the picture (though we know she's been there once before). Madi was open about who she is, where she stands, etc. Very honest. Madi even said to Peter's dad that she "genuinely wants what's best for Peter". She didn't make it about her.... Barb hardly even gave Madi a chance. Seems like her mind was made up. Oh, the tears! Oh, the weeping! Did you notice Peter's response to his mother to "stop!", and his body language? (That was at his most attractive all season, in my opinion)! You'd think that a mother would have a problem with her son's love interest if she was a drug dealer, a compulsive liar, a gold digger, extremely promiscuous, etc. But she had a problem with a faithful virgin! Doesn't make sense! She said she doesn't want anyone to "change" him. Seems to me that she doesn't want him to "grow up". I've seen this in family dynamics before, with a narcissistic mother and her grown son. This was the beginning of the red flags for me. But hey, let's not jump to any conclusions, right? Now to the "After the Final Rose" episode... Hannah Ann showed a lot more strength (good for her)! Madi showed a lot of self-discipline and restraint. (Honestly, she handled herself with a lot of grace, kindness, and strength, considering...). But do I really need to get into the details of this? Simply put: It was the "Barb Show"! It was about HER wants, HER decisions, HER being right, HER need for control, and she was doing all she could to get what she wants! This is when it became apparent to me that it was never about either of the girls, it was about Barb and her need for control. The distinction between the behavior of the middle aged mother and the young love interest was incredibly apparent. One was very selfish and unkind, the other, classy and strong... Actions speak louder than words. At this point, why would ANYONE want to be involved with a mother like that?! She humiliated her son and showed the world on national tv that it was ALL ABOUT HER! Watching this really upset me! Her behavior was incredibly narcissistic. Then it made sense to me, Peter's indecisiveness, his confusion with "love", the fact that he still lives at home... I actually feel bad for Peter! Also, for Madi, for Hannah Ann, for all involved... And I've come to this conclusion: If Peter is ever going to be able to have a healthy, successful relationship, he, first of all, needs to move out. Then he needs to establish some serious boundaries and be consistent in maintaining those boundaries. He probably needs therapy too. Seems like his mother wants him to be Peter Pan forever. Just saying. I post this because I truly feel for him, for Madi, for Hannah Ann, for all involved. A very disappointing season of the Bachelor. I wish them all the best! And I truly, truly hope that Peter will move out!! Lol.

[@celinel.844]

Completely agree with you and wanted to add something about it not being about the girls, but about Barbara and what she wants. She was all about Hannah Ann when meeting the two girls, saying she was an "angel on earth" (last, it was your first time meeting her and no one is that perfect, although I like Hannah Ann)... Then, on the AFR (backstage) and on instagram she is all about praising Kelley, saying she was always her favourite and wanting to have lunch together (by the way, I think Kelley is pretty awesome and made some very good points in her conversations with Peter)... What happened to Hannah Ann being so perfect 😒😕 Also, the "lunch together" part, was that a clever way to try to set Kelley and Peter up, by showing she would approve of her but not Madison... Not saying that Madison and Peter's relationship eould have worked, but at least give them the time and space to figure it out on their own... You could be surprised, and if it didn't work they at least would have grown from it...

[@Reneesfun]

She waited WAY TOO LONG to tell him. Colton told Becca much earlier about his virginity. Rachel completely gets it.

[@karenramos1440]

Okay Mrs. Rachel know it all, let’s take Madison out of the picture and let’s talk about how Peters mom embarrassed her son multiple times....respond to that....

[@Jenni.P]

She addressed the fact that barb was rude and her behavior was disrespectful. So what else you got

[@tthompson7609]

Karen ramos she covered that, so what’s your next complaint?

[@remidy8514]

Like Rachael said poor delivery right msg,and I agree 💯.Don't be fooled a mother knows his child more than you can ever imagine and Barb knows Peter quite well.

[@tobyvaughn5230]

I really don’t like Rachel now... like you capitalized off of The Bachelorette too!!!

[@dianemccloud5990]

doesn't everybody??? Ashley I, Chad Johnson, Kaitlyn, and the list goes on....that's the point....

[@tobyvaughn5230]

D z8 Not blind nor biased! Rachel hired her a publicist right out too! Everyone does. She just trying to find something to pin her with.

[@sarahkelly3234]

Are they paying her rent. The Hussle is real🤣

[@Anakin.Apologist]

This wasn’t Madi’s first time on TV, she was also on The Price Is Right. She makes cringey Tik Tok videos. She creates fake fan accounts for herself. It’s clear that she didn’t go on the show for Peter. She’s hanging out with SELENA GOMEZ. And now she hires a PR agent? Maybe she just really wants attention

[@enaidu58]

Rachel, none of your points make sense. At 2:45 you say that no one comes on the show for the right reasons but what about you? That’s very telling. During Becca Tilly’s interview she says that production told her not to tell Chris Soules about her virginity until overnights so she sides with Madison and believes that this also happened to her the same way. Makes sense since they were looking for more drama thus the reason the women were in the same house at the time for overnights. Never done this way before. You say that Peter told you that Madison didn’t tell him about her virginity until after the overnights but let’s face it producers would tell her not to tell Peter for the drama and to get a reaction from him. Duh!!

[@ruthlowry3608]

This is why I love Rachel so much. She is so real😍

[@nonameeismyname3365]

02:9 Rachel's eyes looking pissed because host says " in two month period it's not logical to engage"

[@tthompson7609]

Hotz Aye and now she is married so fuck all those haters and skeptics

[@bkbrp64]

He also said that Rachel's case was different before this statement as his disclaimer...

[@JennyMiranda11]

I kept thinking about her situation with HER Peter from her season! That's what he kept saying, which led them to break up and leave her with Bryan.

[@sunshinehurricanemix]

Madison really cared about Peter, if she didnt she wouldn't have cared who we slept with.

[@San-dx7rt]

SunshineHurricaneMix LoL yeah ok 😒

[@sashahappy2100]

Rachael is saying facts though👏🏽

[@neerasinha-frazer2094]

Rachel Lindsay is doing exactly what she asked us to stop doing. She’s making judgements without having all the information. Btw I’m Indian. Parents & family are way over involved. They never would have treated anyone like this or humiliated me like that on National TV

[@agataklimecka3346]

Reachel is in her box, and very judgemental . She criticized Colton and Cassie and look where they are now

[@brandondabreo4632]

and where is that? still the exact same place they were when their season ended.

[@richard5469]

Mom throwing her son under the bus on national television. NOT COOL, Rachel.

[@tthompson7609]

Richard why are you blaming Rachel? What sense does that make?

[@richard5469]

@@tthompson7609 Read the title of this video. Team Barb? No. That was not cool for a mother to do to her son.

[@genesisrichards8583]

She really said "he...gives her his full heart" to Hannah Ann when he literally didn't what does she not understand

[@LoveIsKind2008]

I wish Madison had talked to Peter sooner about her faith and how she was saving herself for marriage...but who knows why she didn’t...production most definitely could’ve had a hand in the timing of it all or maybe they didn’t, maybe she just hadn’t found the right moment before then. Peter appeared to be absolutely in love with her and probably should’ve just pulled a “Colton” before Fantasy Suites

[@susanward8622]

LoveIsKind2008 totally agreed she either shud hav told him about her religious beliefs or shud not hav enter

[@LoveIsKind2008]

Susan Ward I think she had every right to enter

[@emerald637]

Madison did talk to Peter about her faith on night one, night four, night seven, and multiple times during the Home Visit, and while in Australia MULTIPLE TIMES!!! Peter just didn't understand the part of Christianity that says fornication is a sin in the sight of the Living God. Both Peter and his hateful mother both said that they were "spiritual" at separate times. However, being "spiritual" or being "religious" does NOT make you a true Christian. Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away [depart] from me, you evildoers!’ (Matt. 7:21-23) According to Madison, holding onto her virginity is something she had expressed as being her own personal decision, and commitment to herself, and to her future husband. She never came out and said why; that it was because the Living WORD of God clearly states that having sex before marriage is indeed a sin. She wanted to be careful to not appear to be shaming anyone else for not holding her same standards. That's why she was quiet about it, until the very end when the outcome of Peter's choices would seriously affect her decisions. In my opinion, I think Madison should end all contact with Peter a.s.a.p. She is far too good for the likes of him. I am disappointed that she has returned to him. I really hope that it is a short and respectful ending to their relationship. I cannot imagine Madison's parent's supporting this mess, especially because of Peter's hateful, toxic mother, who seriously wears the trousers in that marriage and family. Madison needs a real man, not a mamma's boy who is still tied to her apron string.

[@ldepass4343]

Rachel..much respect, but can you stop saying that you know what Madison thinks and feels. No one ever truly knows what's in someone's heart. Other than that, blessings to you and your husband.🙏🏼

[@bonnievalverde77]

I agree with Rachel on every point!

[@Emeraldgreenshimmer]

Best commentary! Takeaway: 1) barb said something in Spanish to her husband 2) the devil works hard, but producers work harder 3) Madison wanted tv time 4) Madison has an agent 5) glad this season is over 6) enough of Peter and Madison and their drama

[@ucfrancess7384]

Am sorry to say this, I listen to Rachel and Beca's podcast, she has never liked Madison since the fantasy suite.....all of a sudden she is spreading the narrative that Madi was not there for the right reasons...Mrs barrister perfect

[@tthompson7609]

Quit fucking hating on Rachel. She’s speaking a lot of truth

[@x80WildCat08x]

You must be one of madis religious cult followers

[@nelysilva5833]

Rachel is virgin shaming Maddie. Shame on you Rachel.

[@riverthoughts2400]

Why am I so disappointed in Rachel? Girl, you were the one championing and crying crocodile tears with the “no bullying” campaign.

[@artofjoy4418]

You can give an opinion without bullying.

[@taylorvaccaro795]

Of course Rachel could not possibly think a genuine person could come on this show.... projecting a bit???

[@madeleinbronner3943]

Taylor Vaccaro i do not like Rachel, come on she chose her husband because the guy she really wanted realized he wasn’t ready to propose. Girl, be quiet