Why Randolph Scott and Cary Grant Lived Together?

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[@rosalindc3972]

Makes economic sense when you no longer live with your parents and are just starting out in life, to share accomodation and all the expenses that go with it. A lot of young people rent grotty one bedroom flats when they could do much better if they shared with a couple of friends. Of course it isn't always possible to find friends who are reliable and not a pain in the ass to live with.

[@briang.7206]

For the same reason James Stewart and Henry Fonda lived together because they were single. Even in the 1960s single men and women didn't live together that's why in I dream of Jeanie tv show Tony had to keep Jeanie hidden away when he ad visitors.

[@savannahsputnik1663]

People who still think that they weren’t gay aren’t looking at the pictures.

[@bethbartlett5692]

Copy of my comment, (the Sociological History, from my degreed studies and research.) Apply to the Now media articles and it gives the greater understanding of the then. Copy: *The actual HISTORY and Sexual Perspective Defined:* ▶ "Knowledge is truly Power and abundantly Freeing" *Their era offered a fully different value of perspective and understanding. In knowing History, European and Mediterranean History and Culture, the concept understanding includes a Sexual Perspective. *▶Note:* During the 1920's the the "Power of Media as a "Tool for various Propagandas" was realized by and for the "Powerful Few", i.e., 1% of 1%, (Print Media had clarified this, but the Radio, then TV, took it to a whole other level".) *▶Point:* This made the changes to the Information known by the Public, prior to WWII and Post WWII, "the following Eras thru Current Era have a Collective Mainstream Awareness based on the 1950's Picture of Life, from the Produced Films and TV Shows. Recommended Watch: "The Century of the Self" *valuable information* Prior to this, in the era of the Golden Hollywood Actors, the Carey Grant, Randolph Scott, Tyrone Powers, Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda era, there was a more "Euro-Mediterranean Concept" that the affluent had an opportunity to adapt and it included a Sexual Concept that very much, like the Greeks held back to Antiquity, was a Conception of Sex and Sexual Identity as 2 separate and independent subjects. *This meaning:* Sex was or could be viewed from a perspective of it as an option to partake in from an almost "sports like" perspective. Totally absent of emotions, one that's easily seen as the "male perspective" all the way through. Yet then it included Feline/Feline and Male/Male, like a Tennis Match, even to the point of "Mixed Doubles", no pun intended. Men throughout History, depending on Culture, would partake in male to male sexual acts, and it very much was a result of the "Male Libido and Lack of Females" with which to "Sport". *▶Note: in the Western Era the Brothels were called "Sporting Houses"* Social Standards in Male Dominated Societies of this World have deemed a Woman "de-flowered" should she partake in other than marital sex. This left men few women with which to "Sport", and their drive/need having such a strong focus, they established a reasonable secondary option. Thus I'm saying, when in the 20th Century, Opportunity presented itself through Film Careers, Stardom, Financial Abundance - the "Time and Opportunity" to "Sport", but the Risk of Female's: pregnancies, law suits, Media, and generally the "tired of the Drama Game of Hollywood and Nightclubs", they opted for "the Mediterranean Method", and the subject of Homosexual had a completely distinctly different definition, and that being the individual preference for male only, with the emotional attachments and the Physical Predisposition of, the "Physiology of Homosexual" if you will, that was the key and true defining difference. One being purely a sporting physical act and the other having the Emotional and Self Identifying Perspective. It was actually a far more realistic and mature minded concept and perspective than what became the "norm of Western Thought", a really Ego/Lower Minded and judgemental perspective. (Far less abuse and date--rapes would accumulate with the "Mediterranean Sexual Mentality") Women in their era were Socialized to be far more dramatic and needy, creating a far greater resistance to giving them opportunities and getting involved in the "dating scene" History with Facts ...

[@ratt57]

@@savannahsputnik1663 Some of the comments here are ridiculous. They're coming from straight people who don't want to bring themselves to believe that Cary Grant and Randolph Scott were boyfriends. The best comment here is the one about it probably being an "economic necessity" for them to live together, lol! Both of these actors were making astronomical sums of money in Hollywood at the time...

[@no-bozos]

I lived with my friend for almost seven years before his death. We lived together because we were poor and in our 20's. He was also my best friend. We had no romantic feelings for each other, but he was an important person in my life. I don't know why everyone always want to label two men who care about each other as homosexual. There is more to life than sex people.

[@jurek46pink]

perfect - thank you - dziękuję (Poland)

[@Jasona1976]

@@jurek46pink nonsense

[@gregorymcdpachsa]

I don't think these two movie stars were too poor to afford their own place

[@no-bozos]

@@gregorymcdpachsa - You obviously missed the point of my post.

[@no-bozos]

@@Jasona1976 - Much like your comment.

[@soulmaster63]

Whatever takes place within the confines of a home between two consenting adults may be of interest to inquiring minds, however, it’s confidential. Cary Grant was an icon and a treasure. His speculative sexual orientation was of no consequence to his brilliant acting career.

[@tharan000]

Try telling that to the American right wing and see how far you get with it.

[@shafersshafers5231]

AMGeni, very well said! 💯

[@MrDonanthony]

@@tharan000 They can piss off!

[@watchgoose]

@@tharan000 I'm right wing and I just find it debasing that these two guys were so accused.

[@dianashelton1371]

Make sure and vote so we don’t go back to the days these wonderful Actors lived through.

[@jaybee9269]

It’s not anyone’s business but there is an obvious comfort and tenderness in those photos.

[@davidarundel6187]

No matter their living arrangements, both were fine actors. They were fortunate, to have had such a long lasting friendship - longer I will add, than most friendships, or marriages - then or now.

[@marcychan168]

Hear!Hear!

[@marjoriegarner5369]

I heard that Randolph Scott was devastated when Cart Grant died. They always cared for each other. That's love.

[@stevel9678]

Are you saying they were both fine thespians?

[@zoeymckeown3194]

@@marjoriegarner5369 yeah, he died a few months later.

[@shannonrhett3304]

@@marjoriegarner5369 , that's also a natural reaction, regardless of sexual orientation.

[@tomdelinger7206]

As a kid I loved their movies. Randolph Scott always played the good guy. You knew you could trust him. Cary Grant was hilariously funny. He made it look effortless and you knew no matter what happened his character was going to do the right thing. They both seemed to be liked in their lives outside movies and both contributed to their communities. It's clear they enjoyed each others company. If it was or wasn't more than that, good for them!

[@irish66]

"Randolph Scott always played the good guy." Perhaps almost always. But not always. He played the baddie against John Wayne in Pittsburgh, and The Spoilers, In Ride the High Country, He srarted off as a baddie, but Joel Mcrea made him see the error of his ways.

[@jenniferlawrence9473]

@@melianna999 What bothers me about this comment is that everyone wants to put people in a box. There are other options rather than gay and straight. There are bisexual people. I've met them and they can have a fulfilling relationship with either sex.

[@eliseh.7474]

I had the pleasure of meeting Cary Grant in the early '80s. He was very charming. His body of brilliant cinematic performances is unparalleled. A true treasure. I couldn't care less whom he loved. Great guy.

[@davegreene8588]

I cannot get over the fact that Grant, and several other such greats, never got the "Oscar"!

[@billolsen4360]

@@davegreene8588 He did too many comedies. They never win the Oscar due to all those hollywood hacks holding out for la-dee-dah "Artistic Achievement."

[@princeandrey]

How could Cary Grant not be "very charming"? He is the very embodiment of charm!

[@gregs5985]

In 1974 I was working at a big hotel in Denver as a room service waiter. Randolph Scott entered the restaurant and I got a look at him. I served Lucille Ball, Davey Jones and a few other actors. When I saw Randolph Scott, I was really impressed. HE LOOKED like a movie star. Tall, very well dressed and smiling. ALL the women around him were GaGa. And at the time he was an older man at least in his 60's. He had it.

[@billolsen4360]

Scott was born in 1898, so he was 76 by the time you encountered him. Love Denver. Was that The Brown Palace?

[@retalbtaylor370]

I wouldn’t call a man in his 60’s an “older man” as they say, “age is just a number”.

[@kennethtyrer9584]

@@retalbtaylor370and the.Julie is I best 👌

[@reidunbrown7971]

Had what?

[@billolsen4360]

@@reidunbrown7971 "It" lol

[@vincentlynch3652]

After reading several biographies of Cary Grant, including the most recent one, there's little doubt in my mind that Grant was what is now sometimes called "fluid". I don't care whether he was straight, gay, or bi. He's my all-time favorite actor. Some actors are great at drama, some great at comedy, and a few can comfortably tackle both...perhaps none as successfully as Cary Grant.

[@lisaspikes4291]

I agree completely. There was and will never be another Cary Grant! He was the best! Still my all time favorite actor!

[@lauriereamy9876]

Good actor, for sure.

[@JonnyCisero]

Well said.

[@marcychan168]

Loved his movies and his style RIP 🙏

[@thenoseknows9391]

Yeah, he and William Holden are two of my favorite actors 😀😄💙💙💙👍🏼✌🏼

[@chrish2277]

Whether Cary Grant and Randolph Scott were gay or not I'm glad they had that friendship in their lives.

[@jamesrobiscoe1174]

Spot on!

[@Amy-jj8gy]

I’m a big Cary Grant fan and have read much about him dating back to his childhood in England. Of course I know about the rumors and wanted to know one way or the other. But at one point, I wondered why do I even care? Seriously, why does it even matter? He didn’t talk about it and I respect that.

[@alextollinche9947]

What 2 consenting adults do is nobody's business Live and Let Live 🌅😊🌅

[@newjerseylion4804]

They were gay/bi numerous acquaintances and friends have already said they were in love. Cary grant just had easier with women hence he manage to settle down in his final years and have a child.

[@alextollinche9947]

@Tictac Pattywack I will 🎄🎅🎄

[@PaulZink]

I haven't seen most of Randolph Scott's movies, but his last film, Peckinpah's "Ride The High Country", is one of the all-time best westerns I have ever seen, bar none.

[@paulveg8524]

Anyone with a reasonable gaydar can see very clearly that they were a couple. And what a beautiful couple they were.

[@paulsanpala3557]

Nonsense.

[@emanuelmota7217]

Cary Grant and his impressive body of work are world treasures. I don't care what his sexuality was. The man was incredibly talented and funny, on top of being one of the best looking men on the planet. Just re-watched "Arsenic and Old Lace". Grant's physical humor and comic timing MAKE that movie.

[@pamjarvis2318]

It doesn't matter if they were close best friends, straight men , bisexual men or gay men. Both of men were amazingly great actors who were wonderfully entertaining to watch for their fans. Their sexuality does not matter one way or another because it was just only their own personal private business along with their other partners who might have right in need to know only.

[@janetsaeger8439]

Cary Grant had the coolest walk of any guy, ever. Loved watching him in all his movies.

[@xpane]

He had always been my hero as a kid and I thank him for giving me the opportunity to see this wonderful American icon ply his trade as an actor. I don't care about his personal life as it is only his business. I'll always remember him as a hero to me while I was growing up, thinking he was a great Cowboy and darn good actor.

[@carolinesix98]

To

[@danielbarreto1973]

I'm straighter than straight but I think they look very well together. I hope that at least they had been happy as hell.

[@melianna999]

absolutely as hell

[@davidallen508]

Let’s take the “sex” out of it ! If these two men were soulmates and shared a genuinely loving friendship throughout their adult lives then that tells me they were granted a ‘gift’ far mor valuable than anything Hollywood and fame could offer them.

[@davidarundel6187]

Their friendship lasted longer than most friendships or marriages, then or now.

[@Saucyakld]

None of my business, enjoyed their movies!

[@zoeymckeown3194]

it would be very odd if 2 males had a "genuinely loving friendship" and didn't try sex together.

[@lray1948]

@@zoeymckeown3194 I imagine there are a good many brothers and cousins who don't fit in that category

[@newjerseylion4804]

Scotty bowers confirmed they were a couple. He even had a threesome with them.

[@beckycollins3767]

I'm a huge fan of Randolph Scott I love all his westerns Great actor I never miss his westerns or any movie he is in

[@clare5one]

In the opinion of many, Randolph Scott would have been perfect as Ashley Wilkes in "Gone With The Wind". He was handsome, southern, blonde and the right age!

[@lklpalka]

Never thought Leslie Howard was right for that part. Great actor, just out of place there. Still niggles at me every time I watch. Randolph Scott would have been perfect and more believable in just about every way, certainly age-wise.

[@alidabaxter5849]

@@lklpalka I agree with you and saw a documentary about Leslie Howard which told that he never wanted to play it.

[@gunterangel]

@@lklpalka Age-wise they both were too old for the role of Ashley imho.; even if Scott was actually five years younger than Howard. Both were over forty years old, so clearly too old for playing Ashley, a role that Howard despised to play. But other than age-wise Scott would certainly have been a more fitting choice than Howard in every aspect.

[@tshotflash7293]

They were happier than most Hollywood "couples." I still admire both of them. They were unique and very brave. Only love can make any of us that strong.

[@skyavalanche]

If a picture speaks a thousand words, the photos of these two spoke volumes..of love.

[@paulsanpala3557]

One can have a great friendship, a kinship with each other without being gay.

[@skyavalanche]

@@paulsanpala3557 This is true. Love is Love, with or without sexual expression

[@longnlean34]

Great actors, great faces, and looks like they admired each other. I'd be disappointed if they weren't a couple, but 12 years together had to be love.

[@Donlewis4683]

Philadelphia checking in. Regardless if the man was gay just think of what kind of life he had to live if he was gay. Because people couldn't accept the way a man felt he couldn't live his true life. I'm a heterosexual man I couldn't imagine if someone said I couldn't live my life the way I wanted to. Especially in them days. But he made a great career so God bless.

[@newjerseylion4804]

Scotty bowers confirmed they were a couple. He even had a threesome with them.

[@juliawilly9151]

I have been accused of being gay because my best friend in college and I always hung out. There were times I slept in her dorm room and we would laugh so loud that other people would complain. I was shocked when I heard there were people who thought we were gay. Nothing could be further from the truth. Boys can have really good friends-and so can girls. I just blew it off.

[@LarryHatch]

"huge out". That speaks volumes.

[@Alsatiagent]

If whomever you decide to love (consenting adults, obvs) is a matter subject to accusations then something or someone is not worth your time.

[@eldiputacio7753]

Being gay is not an acusation for those who are. 🤠

[@YesItsMeGuys68]

The difference is they WERE lovers . Its well known in the gay community

[@JohnLee-pt5jz]

@@LarryHatch I think she meant "hung out'.

[@Ghoststone1]

They were both smoking hot guys and had a wonderful time together despite a studio that made every attempt to end it. I applaud them.

[@rubencohen2936]

Today they could be openly Gay and married to each other. It must have been hard for so many talented gay men in the golden age of Hollywood. 😎 🏳️‍🌈

[@newjerseylion4804]

Scotty bowers confirmed they were a couple. He even had a threesome with them.

[@alvarogoncalveslemos]

Scott and Grant were two men wonderful, who were friends, if they were lovers or not, that doesn't matter. Good for them. Thanks for another great video. Hugs.

[@drvee1983]

So many famous ( and infamous ) people had to hide their lifestyles back then. Some still do. No matter what art or business someone has or does....If they are good at it? That's all that counts. They were both great actors, and I'm a big fan of their films. Interesting stuff! Thanks for your work and posting.

[@reidunbrown7971]

Right. John Wayne as well.

[@DiHandley]

Providing we’re not hurting ourselves or anyone else, we all have the right to be happy!

[@wesstubbs3472]

I saw an interview with one of Grant's ex-wives. The interviewer asked what she thought of the rumor that Grant and Scott were lovers, and she responded, "I heard that, too, but Carey and I were always so busy f-cking that I never thought to ask."

[@jaynehinds3339]

Economics is a good reason to share a home

[@joedias7946]

Cary did not need economics He could afford a string of homes. Some people do talk crap.

[@doncarlodivargas5497]

After more than 40 years in the work force, working in a male dominated business I have from time to time worked with male collueges I had a close and warm friendship with, and it is a great experience to have this feeling of common understanding and respect, there is no sexuality or anything, just men recognizing something in an other man, still remember those collueges decades later

[@KayeAL4real]

But did you, for loooong periods of time, live together? And did you have to be heavily persuaded by your bosses to finally marry?

[@freddie3206]

There was sexuality between these two.

[@johnvoorhees7881]

Every week on GritTV, you'll see a Randolph Scott movie. And that's OK 👌

[@tzackaria7]

damn good cowboy

[@lazur1]

3:21 Scott graduated high shool at age14??? Lied about his age to join the "military"??? Wrong. Born January 1898, Scott graduated high school at age 18, and joined the National Guard in 1917, at age 19. WTF????

[@ruthsmith2447]

he also suggests at one point R.S was from a very average family n fact they were very well off n moved in the best circles. Scot studied these subjects at uni in order to join his fathers firm

[@brankobulovic167]

@@ruthsmith2447 yup - father talked to Howard Hughes... just like any Joe does (did) ;)

[@doveleboeuf6625]

No he lied about his age and left school at 14yrs and lied to get in to the military at that age!! He was out of the war by 19 yrs old.

[@carollawrence935]

Randolph Scott lived with Gary Grant for quite a few years. Randolph Scott was married to a woman in the early 1960's, at least that is when I talked to her. I worked for the Telephone Company (for the Manager of the Phone Co. Secretary). She stated that she was Mrs. Randolph Scott, and told me what she wanted. She asked me if I knew who her husband was. I told her, that I certainly did, and went to all his movies. She laughed and told me wonderful!

[@reidunbrown7971]

OMG!

[@johnfarrelly4753]

Truly the best of the Western stars. The was never any doubt when Randolph Scott rode into town that the bad guys were on their way. very much a visionary in the role of TV in American life, who ended up with the largest collection of movies to sell to TV who needed something to fill hours each day.

[@davegreene8588]

The bad guys were on their way OUT, once Randolph Scott rode in!

[@brentonl1746]

Two icons of their time, I don't really care how they spent their time but they both obviously had a great time. Enjoyed their movies that's pretty much all that counts. Thanks Brenton 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@barbaras6792]

Cary Grant was one of the best looking and most suave men ever. I would not be surprised if he was gay, but if he was, he didn't flaunt it. He was simply brilliant.

[@patriciapalmer1377]

Cary Grant was notorious in Hollywood and called "the cheapest man in Hollywood" . He was beyond frugal and was probabky saving on rent.

[@davegreene8588]

He reputedly served snacks on snacktrays - which is exactly what they're for!

[@frankmarulli3]

You state that upon graduating high school, Scott lied about his age and enlisted in the military at age 14. Scott was born on January 23, 1898. He would have been 14 in 1912. WWI didn't start in Europe until July 28, 1914. America didn't get into the war until April 6, 1917. Scott enlised in the military in April of 1917. Scott would have been "19" not "14" when he enlisted. The age of consent to enlisted in the military was, and is still 18 years of age. So Scott would have had no reason to lie about his age in order to enlise.

[@jimtaggert7268]

When Hollywood was still beautiful!

[@otsoko66]

The one HUGE thing missing from this story is the legal issue. Gay sex was a felony in California (until 2003! Although prosecutions were rare after the 1970s). Admitting to being in a gay relationship with another man (Lesbian sex wasn't technically illegal) was a confession of a crime. This gave your employer legal grounds to fire you, landlords to refuse to rent to you, etc. It also opened you to prosecution -- and district attorneys would prosecute: if they had evidence (such as a confession) they had an obligation to prosecute under California law. So keeping it a secret was not just about your 'reputation', it was about keeping you from being arrested and dragged into court, and being sentenced to prison. BTW: it is still completely legal to fire someone for being gay in more than 20 states in the US today (unless it is specifically prohibited in your contract of employment).

[@scotnick59]

Oh, God. In 2022, who really *cares* if these two dudes loved each other?

[@leilal8053]

I always thought Randolph Scott and Gary Cooper resembled each other enough 2b brothers, but I think R.S. was the handsomer of the 2......loved his smile. 😊

[@MontrealNorth]

They were both beautiful💯❤🥂

[@jerihutchins7724]

Both were wonderful actors. I enjoy watching both.

[@claudiocorleone7856]

These two men lived together and were best friends in the same professional jungle. Nothing more.

[@freddie3206]

No way.

[@virginiastevens3782]

Love both of these actors Scott always came across as a gentleman well liked probably too. His off the screen life was his own. God bless him.✝️🙏❤️

[@alicelooney7752]

My brother just informed me that he (and maybe me, too) went to high school with Scott's grandson in Newport News, VA in the 70s. Small world....

[@sherrihinton8567]

How cool

[@isrberlinerin4063]

Just because they lived together does not mean they had a homosexual affair ! Cary Grant was the most elegant handsome versatile Actor in then Hollywood ever in my humble opinion . Yes he had some internal problems to deal with and it affected his relationship with women . I can understand after that traumatic childhood that there remained some emotional scars .i can relate because i had a traumatic childhood and it took me many years to sort it out . Of course it affected also greatly my relationship with men .

[@leeanneyoungman8028]

Yeah.. I’m yet to see any one come out and say this to be true.. if it is good for them but it it’s false shameful..

[@loromas63]

I bet that was a crazy fun household. Great friendships are rare. Glad they had that experience.

[@melianna999]

with rura

[@lindaeads4770]

Randolph was such a handsome man, and I can see how he quickly became a success in movies. He and Cary Grant must have captured thousands of hearts, of both men and women. Who cares what their relationship really was? It was great they had each other to lean on as a close friend.

[@gracehawley9628]

Whether they were gay or not, the fact that they kept it private should be respected. You should not have to announce to the world what your sexual orientation is. The fact that they were great actors and respected men were what mattered. I lived with a very dear friend who happened to be a woman like me. We shared same taste in many things, we were both definitely straight, but rumors continued. We just laughed and went on with our life.

[@Ubernerd3000]

RANDOLPH SCOTT’s most enduring film legacy is as a 30 sec. bit in BLAZING SADDLES...glad to know more about him...thx!

[@JSB1882]

Whether they were lovers or not is no big deal nowadays, but it is a fact that these two guys were penny pinchers and cheap. Randy Scott was the stability that Grant needed in his life. He came from poverty and was very unsure of himself. They were young men and who knows what went on, but I do believe Grant would have never reached his stardom without his friend Randolph Scott. i think the Carole Lombard quote was spot on.

[@nicholasforrester8587]

Which quote is that?

[@freddie3206]

Dave La Violette, Cheapness had nothing to do with it. Wake up and smell the coffee. Two famous male movie stars are not living together because they are cheap and want to split the cost of living.

[@nicholasforrester8587]

@@freddie3206 first movie actors did not make the big money like they do now. And There were a lot of women that slept with them. I am a gay person who doesn't think that every one is gay. I do believe that two men can be close friends and be like brothers. Not everyone is jaded.

[@freddie3206]

@@nicholasforrester8587 I understand that. I read when Cary Grant died his wealth was 100 million. I was reading about Ceasar Romero who was gay also and gave Desi Arnaz a BJ at the taping of I Love Lucy. When you read about all the gay actors in Hollywood, Cary Grants name is always mentioned. I also watched a video about his daughter saying the same thing about him. Nicolas I am your brother if you know what I mean. I just bought a new computer and I had Staples set it up. I wish they did not use my full name on you tube.

[@freddie3206]

@@nicholasforrester8587 Hi Nicolas, I just removed my last name on YT.

[@legatofancier]

Errol Flynn and David Niven shared a house and no one ever inferred anything unusual about it. Who knows?

[@grumpyowl66]

As i understand it the actors back then was poorly paid. A lot of other actors share accommodation like Marilyn Monroe and Shirley winter. Not everyone was or is gay to fit a narrative.

[@kotysuefawcett6538]

SHELLY WINTERS! ✌️

[@roberthenleynola]

@@kotysuefawcett6538 SHELLEY WINTERS!

[@grumpyowl66]

Thanks for correction.

[@BlackDoveNYC]

That makes sense in the early years. But once they were established? Sorry if you don’t want them to be lovers that’s your business but trying to “ungay” them to make yourself feel better seems pointless.

[@grumpyowl66]

@@BlackDoveNYC i wasn't trying to ungay anyone.

[@jeaniekenderson3387]

Who cares if they were gay or not. Both were awesome and had wonderful careers that span the test of time. Thanks to you both!

[@ricardovalentino3549]

What ever was THEIR , inclinations toward each other long past, both dead also long ago, entertaining actors, diff ppl, diff actors, producing great movies for so long. Rip.

[@earljohnson2113]

Fantastic documentary without pointing fingers and assumptions. I for one could care less as long as they weren't hurting anyone else. But those days were way different. Both were great actors.

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

3:23 - Impossible: If R.S. was born in January 1898, he could not have been fourteen when the U.S. entered WWI (1917); he would have been nineteen at the time.

[@harriettemacy7399]

Another fantastic!! video. I love this channel and I thank you so much for all you do💖🌠

[@eldareldar7174]

I knew too many people who knew Scott from an early period. Not one iota of gossip from the straight and gay folks.

[@ashman167]

They were best friends. Just wonderful

[@kenyonbissett3512]

Both Scott and Grant were great actors. They may have been more than friends but whatever the “more” was is none of our business. It’s sad they had to stop living together because of gossip.

[@dickgalahad4508]

Oh, It don't matter that they where Lavender boys and very good actors, they are long gone now. rest in peace

[@hanschristianbrando5588]

The older Randolph Scott got, the nellier he seemed. It's doubtful that two successful film actors would live together simply to save money, even though Cary Grant was said to be notoriously tightfisted. Whatever the truth about them is, they were a cute couple.

[@JennWithNoFilter]

Grant was my absolute favorite but Scott always made me smile

[@ingvarhallstrom2306]

I'm very happy for the life they had together, it seems to have been filled with love and joy and happiness. I'm only sorry neither of them lived in a time they could come out in without repurcussions.

[@helenpierce-lamoureux3124]

sad that they'd married women livings their they were not fully happy or fulfilled with

[@davegreene8588]

@@helenpierce-lamoureux3124 . Many *heterosexuals* also fail to find such joy, happiness, and fulfillment in their (often long) marriages.

[@freddie3206]

@@helenpierce-lamoureux3124 Back in those days it was called Lavender marriages.

[@melianna999]

they destroyed life of women they married, Gary Grant makes me vomit when kissing actress on the movie.

[@therealgodessisis]

No lips

[@whitesky18]

An amazing collection of photographs! Well done.

[@carolsmart238]

I’m a 74 year old great-grandmother, born & raised in Virginia. My mother’s family all had the Old Virginia drawl as Mr. Scott. I’ve always loved him & Cary Grant & all their movies, especially “My Favorite Wife”. They were both so handsome, stylish, & charming w a great sense of humor & athletic. It breaks my heart whenever the gay rumor about them comes up. I’ve known guys who were best friends & were like brothers, but totally straight. Scott was the only son & had 5 sisters & Grant had a sad situation as an only child. I like to see them as best friends & appreciate all of their talents & qualities. I’m so thankful for all their movies being shown on TV that I record & watch over again. I’ll always be their fan!

[@dethray1000]

they were gay as heck

[@michaelmurratti4687]

Oh Please Mary! Both were GAY as DAY!

[@marymills5060]

If people are born that way it's not their fault. It is what it is. Not everyone is born perfect, but everyone deserves to be loved.

[@socotroquito2007]

Well I lived with my college pal , in Residence ( medicine) poor overworked years , he turned to eventually turn gay , I was already with my girl ( now my wife) Those years I miss them ,poor but happy Those years were great !

[@garyschultz7768]

ha ha ha....i hope he is as happy as you sound ... Thanks for posting ....

[@peternolan4107]

You are a doctor and you write like that! I thought doctors had to be literate.

[@socotroquito2007]

@@peternolan4107 I don’t need to be Jorge Luis Borges , Whitman or Chesterton to write a chart , I need to be concise and that’s it

[@BlackDoveNYC]

People don’t “turn gay” they are gay.

[@rubencohen2936]

@@BlackDoveNYC People struggle with their sexual identity before they figure it out. It's just like being right or left handed, we don't choose it either.

[@juliawilly9151]

They were friends all their lives. Scott was Grant’s best man. Randolph happily married and had 3 children. Their house in Malibu was run over with girls. They were both playboys. I don’t care if he was gay or not-but I just don’t believe it. Grant’s daughter asked him to say, but Grant said he did nothing to stop it because it got him more women. They wanted to change him. And then he would smile. She has written a book about their relationship.

[@bettye444]

Both actors made wonderful entertaining movies, largely in part because of their personalities and what they brought to their respective roles. I much prefer remembering Scot as the western hero that brought such pleasure to many a Saturday afternoon of my childhood in the 50’s. Learning personal details of his private life at this late stage of my life is pretty irrelevant for the huge crush I and a lot of other women have for him.

[@nawlinsman]

They were both great actors and very handsome. I still enjoy watching their movies till this day.

[@hollybigelow5337]

The only two people who obviously know the full extent of their relationship was and always will be the two of them, but I personally just don't believe that their relationship was sexual. The reason for me is primarily that if it was they did a really good job of hiding it from ALL of the people who were close to them. There are plenty of other stars that were in homosexual relationships or who were bisexual where the studios hid their relationships from the public because the public would never have been able to accept it, but in most of those cases there was almost always someone close to them who knew the truth who could tell the story later when it did become more acceptable. Cary Grant had 5 wives. I can imagine him successfully keeping that side of himself hidden from one or two of his wives, but did he really a) choose to keep that side of himself hidden from all 5, and b) successfully manage to keep that side of himself hidden from all 5? Sure, it's possible. It's also possible that he shared that part of himself with one or two wives and that the wives that knew happened to be really good at keeping the secret even after the relationships ended. I can absolutely see them not being so vicious as to leak it directly to the press, but I wouldn't think they would be as worried about sharing it with a best friend that they trusted or with other actors or actresses at the time that they knew wouldn't be judgmental. Lots of people have mentioned that they shared a home even when they should have been successful enough to be able to afford their own places, but first of all just because your rich doesn't mean that you don't appreciate saving money. That goes double if you happen to work in an inconsistent field like acting where you may get a big paycheck one day and be out of a job the next. You never know when your career will be completely over because you suddenly look too old, so the wise thing for any actor to do is to save for the future just in case. And second of all, sometimes it is nice to just not be lonely. I wouldn't want to share space with just anyone, but I do have a couple of really good friends that I would share with if we both happened to be looking for a roommate. Perhaps they had one of those friendships where they could tolerate each other and had a ton of fun together, so it just felt better to live together than be lonely living alone. Also, considering how taboo homosexuality was back then, if they really were sleeping together why weren't they more discrete about their relationship by chosing to have two homes for appearances? They could probably even get away with having what the world would see as regular sleepovers. There are exceptions to every rule, but generally when you have a secret to hide you do everything in your power to avoid starting rumors that happen to be really close to the truth, and as two particularly attractive men they must have known that living together and that doing somewhat sexy photo shoots together would start the rumor mill going. If their sexuality was an open secret and they weren't focused on hiding it, I can see them doing that. If they weren't having a sexual relationship I can see them not even realizing it or realizing it and laughing about it. But for them to so successfully keep the secret would have required being very careful, and I just can't reconcile the idea of doing stuff that will likely start the rumor mills going full speed while at the same time successfully protecting the secret for all time from everyone or at least nearly everyone. Sure, there's the double bluff potential explanation, but if you are being that careful you don't need a double bluff. It's much better to never get the rumors started in the first place or to let the rumors happen because you aren't actually ashamed of what you are doing and you are only keeping up appearances in the public eye because the studios instructed you to do so. Once again, maybe they really were just incredibly discreet and managed to have a relationship without a single person around them figuring it out or the people closest to them even suspecting it. Just because the homosexuality/bisexuality of many other stars was considered an open secret in Hollywood, that doesn't mean every homosexual/bisexual couple in Hollywood was an open secret. Maybe they didn't need handlers to keep the scandal out of the newspapers and managed to do that themselves. Maybe they either never needed or wanted to confide that side of themselves to anyone, or maybe they were really good at picking truly discreet people with whom to share that secret. However, the significant lack of evidence combined with the fact that those who knew them best don't seem to believe it really makes me think that this is one of those situations where people are jumping to the conclusion that just because two people are living together that means they must be sleeping together. That tends to be even more believable when both people happen to be really good looking. It also goes double when the two people work in an artistic area like Hollywood. And perhaps some people are secretly hoping it's true because if these two men were sleeping together it means they are additional icons that can be put forward as potential faces of the gay pride movement. In this particular case, I personally believe the idea that these two men were sleeping together comes more from a place of multiple people seeing it as a wish fulfillment than it does from anything based in reality.

[@lucilledavidson4502]

Great analysis.

[@normadesmond6017]

Who cares? Love is love. And I'm glad for Cary and Randolph that they apparently found it during their years together.

[@janicehess9955]

A great thing about the good old days, no one shoved their sexuality down anyone's throat like they do these days. They were both awesome actors and fine men. People these days could take much needed guidance from people like them.

[@ljspivak9447]

Actually Janice, back then they certainly did shove their sexuality down people's throats, it was just that it had to be exclusively heterosexual sexuality. Public displays of affection were somewhat more circumscribed than they are now, especially on film. If your comment was intended to say that everyone should return to keeping overtly sexual behavior and display more private, you

[@guilfordcigarman]

I love how the English narrator pronounced Raleigh, Ray-lee! I love all the Age of Vintage videos!

[@billolsen4360]

And Gordon Mac-ree

[@romeaffair]

Not English, Australian.

[@bethd9160]

It used to be common for friends of the same sex to share a house or apartment. Now everything is sexualized.

[@paulsanpala3557]

So true! I shared rent on three different occasions during post school years. We weren't gay and it didn't make us gay.

[@lamusclebrit]

I spent some time looking at photographs of them together. I would say that they were very much in love based on how they look at each other in those moments on camera. Either they were wonderful in front of a camera and truly the public or alternatively you can see it is a glimpse into the truth behind the story

[@freddie3206]

Ian Grimbaldeston, Of course they were. Some folks just don't get it. They have one excuse after another. It does not mean they were bad people.

[@princeandrey]

And that's good, right? "...very much in love" is always good!

[@thefairhairedboywiththered2951]

The photos were staged for publicity purposes. This was not something that would have happened had there been any truth to the gossip about their relationship

[@lamusclebrit]

@@thefairhairedboywiththered2951 and you know this how?

[@elouise5593]

One if my nephews bought a house with his best friend. When his best friend got married, to a woman, My nephew bought him out. My nephew just got married recently to his longtime girlfriend. I don't know why some people want to think 2 guys are gay, if they share a home for a long time. These days you have to share a home to save money.

[@davegreene8588]

Especially true of Apartment renters.

[@tartfuel]

Cary Grant died 35 years ago. If he was gay, chances are he'd had relationships - or just had sex - with more than one person. So why didn't these people speak up when he died. When Liberace died, people can out of the woodwork to say they had sex with him, or was propositioned by him. Same with Rock Hudson. So why didn't anyone try to get their 15 minutes of fame by claiming they screwed Cary Grant? Because it didn't happen. No one even thought of making it up when he died either. Grant was well known for wanting to get married and having a family, which is something he pursued into his 60's and 70's. His marriages didn't end because he was gay, or found sleeping with men. They ended because in some of the marriages he has affairs with his leading ladies and with others, he was just so damaged he ended up ruining his other marriages with demanding and demeaning behavior (just ask Dyan Cannon). It's annoying that two men who love each other as brothers and want to spend their bachelor years palling around together are labeled as something they weren't just because people today want to put their own spin on things.

[@wildflowerred6323]

Look at the biography of Orry-Kelly. He had a significant affair with Grant-living together and supporting each other until they each achieved success. Grant as an actor and Orr-Kelly as a dress designer. Orry-Kelly kept Grant’s secret not to jeopardize Grant’s success, even when Grant made disparaging public remarks about Orry-Kelly’s homosexuality. Dress designer Blackwell also claimed an affair with Grant. Grant seems to have been bisexual, also having interest in women. Not career killing today, but definitely something to be kept secret at the time.

[@peternolan4107]

Evidently the thought they might have had a loving gay relationship bugs the hell out of you. The Hollywood publicity machine made up all sorts of stories about actors' private lives. Rock Hudson was made to marry a woman just to shut down rumors. This kind of thing happened many times. So, get over yourself.

[@rubencohen2936]

What about the Secret Lives of Marlon Brando, Montgomery Cliff, & James Dean ? They all trusted Elizabeth Taylor, a friend of the closeted Hollywood homosexual. 🏳️‍🌈 🎥

[@MrsDinoPaulCrocettii1917]

Rock Hudson was actually Gay! They had to make him appear straight and he had to go out with girls just to see his boyfriends. And Cary Grant and Randolph Scott supposedly being gay then where's the proof after they broke up and stop living together Cary Grant was never seen with another same-sex partner lol he dated multitudes of women including Sophia Loren who he acts her to marry him 😅. But there is proof Rock Hudson was gay because he was always seeing dating another guy .

[@doctorrobert60]

@@MrsDinoPaulCrocettii1917 One of my classmates in school drove a cab to support himself. He stated he drove and delivered young men to Rock Hudson's home and then returned to pick them up the same night on many occasions. No sleepovers to keep things "straight" as far as the studios wanted.

[@jorgegustavoortiz7717]

They made a beautiful couple.

[@janehenry3206]

I grew up watching both actors, my mum reckoned they were Bi, either way they made it work for them. I love My Favourite Wife, Carey Grant had great comedic timing.

[@JamesVaughan]

Some people are just incapable of understanding that two men can feel great affection or even love for each other without it being sexual. We live in a notoriously hypersexed age. The 1930s was an entirely different era - when on-screen married couples slept in twin beds and the word "damn" was considered shocking.

[@michellejames1462]

Two very handsome men it’s good to have very good friends not every man who lives with another man is gay don’t judge they are just human and just liked each other’s company

[@HollyCranfan]

Henry Fonda and Jimmy Stewart also we’re roommates in their early Hollywood days. They weren’t romantically involved either. Until they make it big with leading roles Hollywood didn’t pay that well. Randolph and Cary finally got leading roles. A lot married for money. Henry Fonda, Clark Gable and eventually Cary Grant married rich socialites

[@raymondortiz1113]

You have to admit they both were great actors , mr.scott could really dress well and wore nice clothes for that timel, it seems they were very good friends, the important part was that they harmed no one, what did did in private is no one's concern.

[@ellayella7800]

They were both wonderful actors .I think they wouldnt mind us knowing the truth now days and I'm sure they wish they could have told us back then.

[@davegreene8588]

- That they were straight; -not that there's anything wrong with...etc ....

[@brittaniharold1880]

I doubt they were gay but if they were,why would they need to tell anyone but their wives and their lovers?

[@juliawilly9151]

Grant laughed about the people who said he was gay. When his daughter asked him why he didn’t just say. Grant answered that it got him more women-and smiled.

[@rachelmayes298]

I don’t care about their sexuality. They both were just amazing actors, especially Grant. At the end of the day, unless we knew them personally ourselves we will never know. Can we trust some people?

[@sandraross4770]

Thank you for your wonderful coverage ❤️❤️

[@joshdrayton1230]

This video paints a reasonable portrait of the Scott-Grant relationship so far as it goes - but there is some missing context. There's been slightly less speculation about Scott's sexuality than there has been about Grants through the years, most probably because a) he wasn't as big a star, and b) as an individual he was more circumspect. But the known facts about Cary Grant leave little doubt that he was gay, which in turn makes it even more obvious that his relationship with Scott was a good deal more than platonic. Before becoming famous in Hollywood, Grant lived and worked in New York, having migrated from the UK. During that time he had an on-going relationship with future Hollywood designer Orry-Kelly, which Kelly documented in his memoirs, only recently made public. As a struggling actor Grant was also known to get by on "the kindness of strangers", as Tennessee Williams would have said. Not quite a rent boy, but definitely a bit of a gigolo, using his charms on wealthy older men. In his Hollywood years Grant was a client of Hollywood pimp, Scotty Bowers, who arranged many assignations with young men. Grant's early marriages were quite transparently arranged as a cover for his sexuality, and there wasn't even much effort at the time to pretend otherwise. Like Scott, Grant eventually settled into longer heterosexual relationships, but then so did most gay men of the time. It was what you had to do to get by, especially in the public eye. And for Hollywood stars the advent of tabloid tell-all journalism in the 50s made being carefree about one's private life much more perilous than it was in the 30s and 40s. In short, when you consider all the evidence, there's really no doubt at all that Grant & Scott were lovers.

[@ruthsmith2447]

i forget exact number BUT Scott was in top ten box office draw for something like 4 decades so really cannot suggest he wasn't a "big star" he was HUGE for decades! He did lack acting ability but given most of his films and the speed they churned them out at it was hardly a surprise.

[@robairewestel1656]

Brilliant 👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽

[@jamesrobiscoe1174]

Your dispassionate explanation contributes a lot to the story. I remember hearing that Grant said that he wished he were Cary Grant.

[@sharksport01]

Scotty and Orry both have questionable credibility.

[@davegreene8588]

@@jamesrobiscoe1174 That was merely an expression denoting modesty, not homosexuality.

[@ajabrams]

They made more than one movie together. Apart from “My Favorite Wife” they also were both in “Hot Saturday” playing opposite Nancy Carroll in 1932.

[@arnepianocanada]

Michael "Cur-TEEZ"; Joel "Mc-CRAY" - as properly pronounced. Both are big names well known in film history; one can hear their names spoken correctly in countless posts.

[@marypatten9655]

Sad that people are made to feel that being friends and sharing living quarters is suppose to mean they are having a sexual relationship. Do many young people could do better if they shared rent with a friend. When younger I lived with a female friend and rest assured no one said anything to us about sex. This was before the sexual revolution in the 60's. Was able to save up money because of this.

[@TakersMissy]

While I've always enjoyed the older movies from the silents through the early 1960's, it was in a Statler Brothers song with the lyrics "What ever happened to Randolph Scott?" that I first heard of him.

[@fredphilippi8388]

Cary Grant and Randolph Scott were a natural gay couple before that was in any way understood, much less publicly accepted. Their love for each other outlived their total of seven female spouse setups and Billy Graham's anti-gay religious influence over Scott. They remained close friends until Grant died (Nov. 29, 1986). When he heard of his old friend's death, Scott reportedly put his head in his hands and wept. He himself would die a little over 2 months afterwards (March 2, 1987).