Why Renault selling its F1 team looks inevitable

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@WeAreTheRace
@WeAreTheRace 5 ай бұрын
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@eend123456789 5 ай бұрын
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@owenbourdon7696 5 ай бұрын
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@masterfuckerfuckface3376 5 ай бұрын
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@-socialcredit
@-socialcredit 5 ай бұрын
Renault went from championships to doing a bootleg version of the whole Ford/Jaguar drama from the 2000s in less than 20 years
@etiennec8139
@etiennec8139 5 ай бұрын
I think it sums up french automotive industry these last 20 years or so. No real innovation, underfunded projects because of a super high ego, and trying to shove nostalgia though customers throats, yet yanking up prices of standard cars.
@mitchell-wallisforce7859
@mitchell-wallisforce7859 5 ай бұрын
@@etiennec8139 That sounds like the auto industry as a whole, but in the context of the incredible engineering and design work Frenchmen USED to do (see: literally _everything_ Citroen did before it got bought by Peugeot), it is incredibly depressing. "Avant Garde" is literally a French phrase. Oh, how far the mighty have fallen.....
@AlanFormula12022
@AlanFormula12022 5 ай бұрын
​@@mitchell-wallisforce7859Alpine recently also performed as poor as Jaguar.
@XuanDao-qe9lw
@XuanDao-qe9lw 3 ай бұрын
So sad, Renault has been building engines in F1 for quite some time now. But to think of it! Since 2014, its engine has been underpowered and unreliable! And the audacity to bring Briatore back, after the Singapore fiasco! Did the FIA forget about what happened!
@ThunderApache
@ThunderApache 5 ай бұрын
Renault owns an F1 team that doesn’t even know what it is doing. Renault owns a high performance brand called Alpine that regular people do not even buy that much. What can be a more effective French way to do things😂.
@darrinwarner4046
@darrinwarner4046 5 ай бұрын
When you think of a high performance car Alpine isn't generally a name that comes to mind either.
@faustinaadu2284
@faustinaadu2284 5 ай бұрын
@@darrinwarner4046exactly no fame no big names coming in no improvements despite an iconic power unit
@justahyundai
@justahyundai 5 ай бұрын
@@darrinwarner4046 when i hear Alpine I automatically think of the speaker brand, not a car lmao
@orlogskapten4161
@orlogskapten4161 5 ай бұрын
I have seen Alpines in Taiwan so the advertisement works, kinda, maybe.
@ThunderApache
@ThunderApache 5 ай бұрын
More people know about Alpina the company that customises BMWs than Alpine 😂 which is a car manufacturer.
@EchoMirage72
@EchoMirage72 5 ай бұрын
HAAS can be the worst team over a 5 year period, Audi can put one foot in and one foot out, and Renault can hire a guy that was banned for life in order to help sell the team, yet Formula 1 don't think that Andretti Racing would be a positive for the sport.
@chombus2602
@chombus2602 5 ай бұрын
The problem isn't Andretti per si, but the "10 team club" is already closed. If Andretti had entered before Haas, for example, today we would be complaining about Haas not being able to enter
@billygoat520
@billygoat520 5 ай бұрын
@@chombus2602 I think you are right, but F1 has not been doing the best job it could making excuses for it.
@GamezGuru1
@GamezGuru1 5 ай бұрын
HAAS are P7 in the Championship, how dare u?
@EchoMirage72
@EchoMirage72 5 ай бұрын
@@GamezGuru1 your point is their not last this year, but 3rd last?
@MarioP9511
@MarioP9511 5 ай бұрын
@@chombus2602 Haas entered F1 as the 11th team, on Bernie time, remember Williams was 11th didn't earn anything. At the time F1 was bankrupting teams, nobody blocked them. Now they are rich and hypocrites.
@CreakingJordans
@CreakingJordans 5 ай бұрын
So...The Belgium round is the final boss for Renault team principals
@bndncn
@bndncn 5 ай бұрын
the great filter
@AlanFormula12022
@AlanFormula12022 5 ай бұрын
​@@bndncncouldnt agree more.
@andrewwilson3544
@andrewwilson3544 5 ай бұрын
Sad to see what was once F1’s dominant force exit the sport on such a whimper. To go from supplying 4 teams and 3 of them winning races in 2012 to the sorry state they are now is shameful. You get out what you put in, and the Renault hierarchy hasn’t done that for the last 10 years.
@andyfletcher7535
@andyfletcher7535 5 ай бұрын
Renault have been in n out more times than my cat
@ChrisMisMYhandle
@ChrisMisMYhandle 5 ай бұрын
Your cat sounds like a player
@stevenmoran4060
@stevenmoran4060 5 ай бұрын
Maybe but, they introduced the turbo to F1!
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 5 ай бұрын
Nah, that's Honda. I think Renault is only twice (maybe now a third), whereas Honda withdrew from F1 four times!
@mikespearwood3914
@mikespearwood3914 5 ай бұрын
@@TassieLorenzo Yeah, Renault have consistently been an engine supplier for the past 40+ years, no?
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 5 ай бұрын
@@mikespearwood3914 Yes, depends if you count Mecachrome/Supertec though (just as Mugen Honda was semi-official).
@apexyao8931
@apexyao8931 5 ай бұрын
“Promotion of Alpine brand” by using Mercedes engine is the best branding move
@Ever443
@Ever443 5 ай бұрын
Well, their French, just saying
@chiefbeef9905
@chiefbeef9905 5 ай бұрын
In all fairness if it actually pans out and they move up the grid it would be better for them. At the moment they're not convincing anyone they make good cars. People don't think any less of Mclaren or Aston Martin because they don't make their own engines, so after this blows over, no one will for Alpine/Renault either. Coming last with your own engine is far worse PR than mid table with someone else's.
@plainbagel9192
@plainbagel9192 5 ай бұрын
​@@Ever443oufff I got that reference
@camf7522
@camf7522 5 ай бұрын
Aston Martin did it successfully!
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
McLaren has Merc engine, Alfa Romeo had Ferrari engine, Aston Martin has Merc engine and from 2026 Honda. It doesn’t matter to the general viewer. They see McLaren and don’t care what engine it has…same with Alpine from 2026, we’re the name Alpine, the general F1 viewer doesnt care at all abt the engines!
@STRGHTSXBNZ
@STRGHTSXBNZ 5 ай бұрын
plot twist: Andretti hired Briattore to bring down Renault from the inside. Briattore the Trojan Horse. F-ing genius😂
@RandomGuy37
@RandomGuy37 5 ай бұрын
Would make Briatore's story even more epic lol
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
Alpine is doing fine.
@DeathBlocks
@DeathBlocks 5 ай бұрын
Weren't they already headed in this position before hiring Briattore?
@amnzash9292
@amnzash9292 5 ай бұрын
sell to andretti gm now!
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 5 ай бұрын
Briatore is the best TP Renault/Alpine has ever had. You might not be aware, but TR has an axe to grind with Briatore. Most of the British media do despite the fact the thing they hate him for most helped win LH his first title.
@reggie5
@reggie5 5 ай бұрын
improve Alpine's brand by using a competitor's engines...seems very strange marketing strategy
@liam4603
@liam4603 5 ай бұрын
I mean Mercedes use Renault engines in some of their cars but no one says anything about that...
@MalcolmTann0
@MalcolmTann0 5 ай бұрын
@@liam4603that’s road cars not a works F1 team
@KAMiKAZOW
@KAMiKAZOW 5 ай бұрын
It's the same brand that prefers to buy exploding Mecachrome engines for WEC than to develop one in-house at Viry.
@liam4603
@liam4603 5 ай бұрын
@@MalcolmTann0 to the average person, the Road Car is more important than a Formula One Team...
@chombus2602
@chombus2602 5 ай бұрын
​@@liam4603 the average person knows more about F1 than roads cars
@jkliao6486
@jkliao6486 5 ай бұрын
They literally had the chance to snatch an engine side genius in Binotto but didn't make the move for the entire past 2 years and eventually let him go to audi.
@aravindhdeivag111
@aravindhdeivag111 5 ай бұрын
He engineering brilliance is overlooked because of his poor management skills
@ishqiahmed4315
@ishqiahmed4315 5 ай бұрын
@@aravindhdeivag111people forget how quickly binotto managed to turn around their car from 2020 to 2022
@aravindhdeivag111
@aravindhdeivag111 5 ай бұрын
@@ishqiahmed4315 well f1 fans have memory of goldfish 🤷‍♂️
@ishqiahmed4315
@ishqiahmed4315 5 ай бұрын
@@aravindhdeivag111 and some of them decide to be ignorant, like I keep seeing people say sainz should’ve been in a red bull but honestly he wouldn’t have done any better, sainz can’t dry front end cars like max can and there is evidence of that from Ferrari
@aravindhdeivag111
@aravindhdeivag111 5 ай бұрын
@@ishqiahmed4315 yeah true that. 2023 is a proof that Carlos likes rear and Leclerc Liles front. Will be interesting to see what ferrari does in 2025 having the same issue between Ham and Lec
@48nascarfan
@48nascarfan 5 ай бұрын
It’s kinda sad my father this from France back in the day used to work for mecacheome in 2002-2003 and how it was one of the best jobs in Motorsports he’s every had 😢
@charlespletzke8311
@charlespletzke8311 5 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for Renault to do this, then sell the team in a few years, then come back as an engine supplier, then buy back their same team again but not supply it engines, then be a works team, then idk become champions again?
@thehypercovery
@thehypercovery 5 ай бұрын
Losing an engine manufacturer is really bad for the sport, I hope they stay
@zrpggamer
@zrpggamer 5 ай бұрын
Andretti is not going to buy Alpine, they aren't spending 100 of millions on facilities/assets/ and engineers that they do not want. Nor is another team like Toyota. Alpine will never get a good enough price to sell the team.
@talmorris3740
@talmorris3740 5 ай бұрын
most likely true
@KAMiKAZOW
@KAMiKAZOW 5 ай бұрын
Michael Schmidt from Auto Motor Sport said in a recent podcast that more specifically the Oaks appointment hints at a sale to Hitech specifically.
@tfkrazvan
@tfkrazvan 5 ай бұрын
They are spreading fake rumours as always. What they dreaming they are writing.
@srfnsurfer
@srfnsurfer 5 ай бұрын
Seeing how difficult it is to get in, buying a spot is probably the easiest unfortunately
@gaycha6589
@gaycha6589 5 ай бұрын
@@srfnsurferexactly. It’s his best chance. Plus he can show the rest of the grid by Turing it around and then build a strong car for 2026. It’s put up or shut up time. RBR and Mercedes entered the grid via acquisition. Cmon Mario, build a fast cart. 🎉🎉🎉
@Alex_Mac_
@Alex_Mac_ 5 ай бұрын
F1 has said a difference between when Haas was allowed to join the grid as an upstart 11th team, compared to it saying no to Andretti, was that the grid wasnt as stable than as it is now. At that point one of the teams was Manor, which was on the brink of closing and did a few years after Haas joined. When you see things like what are happening with Alpine, the on-and-off rumors of Red Bull wanting to sell RB, and the way Audi's Sauber takeover is already plagued with problems - it's hard to whole-heartedly say that the stability of the grid is anymore certain than it was when Haas joined. Just another sign of the F1-owners hypocritical approach toward Andretti.
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
RB does NOT want to sell! That’s only fake speculations by fake channels like this who only post fake drama
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
Andretti is nowhere in the spec series, not even fighting for Championship in Indycar… and you expect Andretti to be a miracle and design and manufacture a full 2026 car and be competitive 😂😂😂 Your fantasy is too funny
@redshift6170
@redshift6170 5 ай бұрын
It’s amazing they even let Briatore back in after that last “episode” with Renault in 2008. Good to see people are held to account for their actions in F1 then!
@Jackinacox
@Jackinacox 5 ай бұрын
Andretti Cadillac has entered the chat
@greatscot04
@greatscot04 5 ай бұрын
Not for 1.4 billion.
@SpaceCowby
@SpaceCowby 5 ай бұрын
and sadly F1 does not want you
@KAMiKAZOW
@KAMiKAZOW 5 ай бұрын
According to Michael Schmidt from Auto Motor Sport GM is interested in acquiring the 2026 engine IP.
@bumblebity2902
@bumblebity2902 5 ай бұрын
Andretti will use their infra,
@MrSniperfox29
@MrSniperfox29 5 ай бұрын
@@bumblebity2902 Andretti are building their own, they are not going to throw that money away to then spend even more to buy Alpines.
@tonkatoytruck
@tonkatoytruck 5 ай бұрын
Renault was so embarrassed of their F1 performance, they became Alpine. That says it all!
@m.hmalik8520
@m.hmalik8520 5 ай бұрын
Yeah so embarrassed that Flavio had to jump in 😂
@f-ducket4586
@f-ducket4586 5 ай бұрын
Sounds like the same thing private equity does to acquired companies. Decrease cost, push the staff for greater productivity and then sell.
@TedSchoenling
@TedSchoenling 5 ай бұрын
And the FOM doesn't want Andretti because they have such great teams like this?
@Fdaniell1
@Fdaniell1 5 ай бұрын
The $1.4B includes Viry. Without the works status and the engine factory that value drops at least by half.
@BluMustang
@BluMustang 5 ай бұрын
Nope, If you can buy other engines much cheaper (actually at a fraction of the cost) than Viry builds them, the Viry cash value is negative
@rkan2
@rkan2 5 ай бұрын
Nah, the $1B+ is almost exclusively related to the value of the commercial rights of being able to take part in F1. A free worldwide million eyed advertising enterprise! For all we know, the team without anything to do with french employment laws and unions could be worth more than the stated figure!
@Rypsolisti
@Rypsolisti 5 ай бұрын
Not for sale, not for sale, not for sale, SOLD!
@UNICORN69HO
@UNICORN69HO 5 ай бұрын
My favourite part was when you said something that wasnt speculation. Oh.
@tfkrazvan
@tfkrazvan 5 ай бұрын
Exactly. They are writing what they dream. Only speculation created by themselves.
@TheRatchet35
@TheRatchet35 5 ай бұрын
This has been F1 media for all of its existence >make up story >write about said story >???? >profit
@blueguy12345
@blueguy12345 5 ай бұрын
If it's that bad, why keep watching ?
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
They ONLY POST FAKE SPECULATION…. And the DTS binge watchers believe all this bs…
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
@@tfkrazvanwell said
@joe2d
@joe2d 5 ай бұрын
Now we know why Sainz think Williams is a better option than Alpine.
@docmccoy9813
@docmccoy9813 5 ай бұрын
1:55 "Alpine brand" is a joke in itself. A brand with 1 model, FCS!
@dave9614
@dave9614 5 ай бұрын
Two now, plus being a sporty trim level for vanilla Renaults
@thesupremekai1980s
@thesupremekai1980s 5 ай бұрын
But that car drives really nicely... and they are building the brand... Genesis was a crap brand when it first started and now its one of the most in demand brands in the US...
@dvddobson
@dvddobson 5 ай бұрын
Flavio should not be around any motorsports...
@TheDevnul
@TheDevnul 5 ай бұрын
Ever!
@m.hmalik8520
@m.hmalik8520 5 ай бұрын
Flavio has been the biggest black sheep. Can't believe 2009 Singapore when Nelson crashed on purpose
@jarigustafsson7620
@jarigustafsson7620 5 ай бұрын
but in a prison.
@charvell1984
@charvell1984 5 ай бұрын
its ALMOST like Otmar knew what he was doing, the team was on a much better trajectory during his tenure as team principle. But hey, CEOs always know better when they decide results should be coming faster.....
@dukirps
@dukirps 5 ай бұрын
Why is everyone being so hard on Renault/Alpine? Their mission was always to be the French Ferrari.
@tyoyusuf8501
@tyoyusuf8501 5 ай бұрын
Their base in england.not in the france.scuderia Ferrari is only one constructor team brands car automobiles from 1950s who everything has in italy not in the britain
@vipersbladeify
@vipersbladeify 5 ай бұрын
Sell to Andretti ??
@SPProduction02
@SPProduction02 5 ай бұрын
look how fia trying so hard to prevent that,now...
@adamb2619
@adamb2619 5 ай бұрын
Nah lets sell it to some other shit customer team.
@stephanetessier3378
@stephanetessier3378 5 ай бұрын
@@adamb2619 Why not a third RB affiliate? 🤮
@AJ-zy9jf
@AJ-zy9jf 5 ай бұрын
@@adamb2619clueless lmfao
@Digma47
@Digma47 5 ай бұрын
More likely Hi-Tech in my opinion
@thesighbored
@thesighbored 5 ай бұрын
Andretti : *stares intensely*
@SmallBlogV8
@SmallBlogV8 5 ай бұрын
"We don't need the money," says the guy whose team is binning its own engines to save money. We probably all want Andretti to buy them... but they'll be in a bidding war with Hitech at the very least. I'm not holding my breath...
@TrueFireMessiah
@TrueFireMessiah 5 ай бұрын
So the French (team) wants to admit defeat, give up the fight and chooses to surrender?
@MrMSandin
@MrMSandin 5 ай бұрын
to the Germans
@Parc_Ferme
@Parc_Ferme 5 ай бұрын
​@@MrMSandinWorse this time, to an Italian! LOL
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
No that’s only fake speculations by this channel, as always
@glockmat
@glockmat 5 ай бұрын
These clows are allowed in, but Andretti would not add value to the sport
@yammt3148
@yammt3148 5 ай бұрын
"lOgIC."
@Lora_Beolab
@Lora_Beolab 5 ай бұрын
not "allowed in" but "allowed to stay" very different thing, the rules are different for an existing team and a new team as it should be
@KAMiKAZOW
@KAMiKAZOW 5 ай бұрын
@@Lora_Beolab Rules allow for 13 teams, though.
@glockmat
@glockmat 5 ай бұрын
@@Lora_Beolab True, but the the logic is still true, saying that Andretti wouldn't bring value while these clowns supposedly do is baffling
@aaronyoghurt9210
@aaronyoghurt9210 5 ай бұрын
It's not about who's being allowed, it's about not adding any more team, which is worse in my opinion
@crxdelsolsir
@crxdelsolsir 5 ай бұрын
Remember when Renault and the Renault fans laughed at Honda when they first entered? How about when the customer team McLaren laughed at Honda for holding their "better than RedBull chassis"? Or how about when Renault laughed at Honda for going with RedBull? Hmmm, where are all of those people now?
@SmarandaC
@SmarandaC 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@mrw1783
@mrw1783 5 ай бұрын
I want to congratulate Ryan Reynolds, who is about to make some easy money.
@pranto__8D
@pranto__8D 5 ай бұрын
He is good with all corporations and things; he made a Wrexm good, made MINT mobile more profitable, and might even turn around this team by giving it to ANdretti.
@purple4395
@purple4395 5 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be to sure he even made a profit here. His shares were probably bought by a sky high price evaluation. Anyone buying it know will probably pay a billion but not necessarily the amount evaluated before
@goodshipkaraboudjan
@goodshipkaraboudjan 5 ай бұрын
Depends what the share evaluation was when he bought in. Probably not a lot higher than they are now.
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
@@pranto__8DAndretti doesn’t have the billions needed to buy a team 😂
@trymetal95
@trymetal95 5 ай бұрын
can we call this scenario "Renau revoir?"
@MrJoshiej
@MrJoshiej 5 ай бұрын
Renault Engines reliability has been shocking in this V6 Hybrid era but I hope they do stay though because more Engine Manufactures the better
@rkan2
@rkan2 5 ай бұрын
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised F1 becomes a spec series... If all the teams "collude" to extract the best value from this global advertisement board, it might make sense to only have one engine to extract maximum value.. 10 year savings could reach $5b. Now imagine if everyone came together with something simple to end up with a 90% saving with an engine developed for $50m/year.
@AJ-zy9jf
@AJ-zy9jf 5 ай бұрын
The US fan base would increase so much if they put Andretti on the grid. US fans would like a home team to cheer for instead of just Haas which only has an American owner. Hope they sell to them.
@seankhoyle3168
@seankhoyle3168 5 ай бұрын
Then HaaS sold to Renault or Ford 😂
@youafruitcup
@youafruitcup 5 ай бұрын
Andretti NEEDS to be knocking at their door
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Alpine isn’t selling, this page is only posting their own fantasy speculations 😂😂 And Andretti doesnt have billions to spend on a team anyway
@ElijahLong-o2c
@ElijahLong-o2c 5 ай бұрын
something is suspicious about Mr. crashgate returning...... lets hope it wont happen again
@jbb5544
@jbb5544 5 ай бұрын
I don’t think that Alpine is making smart moves here but I also don’t understand how The Race can claim that they’ll always come second to Mercedes when we see right now that McLaren is arguably better than Mercedes despite being an engine customer
@jonathanokeefe9783
@jonathanokeefe9783 5 ай бұрын
One of The Race's guaranteed clickbait moves is to knock anything Alpine/Renault do, no matter if it's totally inconsistent with what they are saying about another team that is doing/has done the same thing.
@DeathBlocks
@DeathBlocks 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I just really dislike that narrative, and it is not just them. Sure you have a possible advantage if it is your engine vs being a customer but it is not impossible to overcome. It also doesn't take into account that generally a customer team is quite a bit lower down the order than their provider anyway and their customer status isn't the difference maker. And in this example, Alpine would either have to produce a car that is so much better than their current engine deficit (And look how that worked out for Red Bull) or overcome the hurdles of being a customer by having a better car than Mercedes. Either way they need to not have a bad car and management.
@PescaraProductions
@PescaraProductions 5 ай бұрын
Good. They should focus on putting a proper engine in their Alpine brands very competent Le Mans car that has a pretty strong driver lineup too. And fob this catastrophic F1 project off once and for all
@spaszek195362
@spaszek195362 5 ай бұрын
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@miltonjuniorsantoslordelo5983
@miltonjuniorsantoslordelo5983 5 ай бұрын
I wish Andretti could join the grid as the 11th entry, it would be really nice to have more teams. But honestly, there's nothing they've announced to indicate that they'll be competitive. Even the Cadillac partnership isn't a guarantee of good results. Still, having Andretti, one of the most popular brands in motorsports, joining F1 would be a big plus.
@kissgergo5202
@kissgergo5202 5 ай бұрын
They said they're not intending on stopping the engine program then they revealed they are actually stopping the engine program. Now they're saying they don't intend on selling...
@matthanna7162
@matthanna7162 5 ай бұрын
With Flavio back, they may as well get Nelson Piquet Jr back 🙃
@yammt3148
@yammt3148 5 ай бұрын
"LMAO!" - Cadillac
@dtoften
@dtoften 5 ай бұрын
Dismantling the F1 engine program does not in itself indicate that they are going to sell. Flavio was probably hired to have an independent look at the operation and financial portion of the team to see where improvements or cuts are needed. The continuation of the Alpine/Renault name being in F1 for car sales is on the CEO to determine; not Flavio since he was a team principal and never a marketing guru.
@phoenixboyz
@phoenixboyz 5 ай бұрын
Perhaps that’s the reason Oscar Pastri left the chaotic Alpine
@ElPadre-zx5no
@ElPadre-zx5no 5 ай бұрын
The point here is Renault decided to switch to Merc engine before there was any meaningful data from 26 engines. So they basically say we want to promote our brand with F1 but we don't believe our engine will be competitive. Yeah... that's some logic
@tristank4943
@tristank4943 5 ай бұрын
"Every team would want to be a works team" - maybe back when you could engineer and test things freely; these days, if the engines are all roughly the same, what's the point? (I mean, it was expensive back in the day and boiled down to a spending/engineering race, but we traded that for a homologated set of engines and performance parity... So... meh.)
@MrPushpuller
@MrPushpuller 5 ай бұрын
they should never give up making there own F1 engines, no path back from that, they need to recruit people who can unlock there engines potential
@johnbarker5009
@johnbarker5009 5 ай бұрын
Just sell the thing to Andretti and be done with it. Good grief, what could be more humiliating that using Mercedes engines for the halo project used to promote Renault-built Alpine sports cars? That one move turns it into an anti-halo project. "Hi, we can't build a competitive F1 engine anymore, but trust us, our sports cars are way better." Alpine should take that money and use some other series as the halo for their road cars.
@Ever443
@Ever443 5 ай бұрын
But won’t sell to Andretti???
@wcapeling
@wcapeling 5 ай бұрын
I hope the Stellantis Automotive Group buys the team under Dodge, Alfa Romeo, or Peugeot. Or they could use the name Stellantis and run special liveries for each region like a Dodge/Mopar livery for the American races, Alfa for the Italian races, and Peugeot for the other European races
@frankm7707
@frankm7707 5 ай бұрын
Andretti/Cadillac will come in as an engine manufacturer for Alpine and taking over a portion of the team. Then a full buyout in the near future.
@mrundercoverguy
@mrundercoverguy 5 ай бұрын
It is a shame, other teams totally want to commit to F1 100 %, yet they can't come in. And then you got this team..
@justinpharand8454
@justinpharand8454 5 ай бұрын
I've enjoyed motorsports as a fan for many years and the Renault name and brand will always stand above the Alpine rebranding. I wish them the best in the future!
@mauss1986
@mauss1986 5 ай бұрын
if you dont have to deal with the renault team, they are quite entertaining to watch. i hope no one loses their job obviously
@patrickr4762
@patrickr4762 5 ай бұрын
First thing to do when selling a team, don’t say you’re selling the team. By not saying you’re raising value, but with this its an open secret that it already lost its value.
@procatprocat9647
@procatprocat9647 5 ай бұрын
F1 is a marketing platform. Winning championships is only one way to get successful returns from the platform. This makes total sense. Good call from Renault management !
@darrinwarner4046
@darrinwarner4046 5 ай бұрын
There is no way that team is worth a billion plus
@Lora_Beolab
@Lora_Beolab 5 ай бұрын
anything can be worth a billion if someone is willing to pay that much, we'll see when they sell how much they get offered
@Moray2023
@Moray2023 5 ай бұрын
I mean considering a guy payed £1.65 Billion for 25% of Manchester United, it doesn't seem far off.
@chombus2602
@chombus2602 5 ай бұрын
The 1 billion isn't because Alpine, is because the F1 spot
@DeathBlocks
@DeathBlocks 5 ай бұрын
It's not only about the team itself, but what a prospective buyer believes they can turn the team into in a few years. And overall, if you take away absurd management decisions and give them a decent engine they could easily not be as awful as they are now.
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
It is much more expensive even. You clearly have no clue.
@robdin81
@robdin81 5 ай бұрын
My guess is that Hitech will buy the team with Renault as the main sponsor. I think they looked at Alfa Romeo and liked what they achieved while sponsoring Sauber
@querty292
@querty292 5 ай бұрын
If only there was some Mario guy looking for a cheap deal in F1
@Redlingstein
@Redlingstein 5 ай бұрын
Cheap? 😂😂😂 Teams cost BILLIONS…. You clearly have no clue 😂 And Alpine isn’t selling lolthis channel only posts their own fantasy speculations cos they don’t have anything to post. And Andretti doesn’t have billions to spend. He wanted in with 200million 😂
@rockandrollrockandrollrock6930
@rockandrollrockandrollrock6930 5 ай бұрын
Give me Cadillac!!!
@DaveyZee72
@DaveyZee72 5 ай бұрын
I don’t get why they don’t attempt a phased sellout to GM. They’d have already started the 2026 engine designs etc if they sold it off to GM it would make a stronger case for Andretti to come forward and make much more financial sense for the alpine cars to continue to use those engines if they have to in the future
@pauljalbert
@pauljalbert 5 ай бұрын
Chaotic doesn't even begin to describe this team.
@pauljennings8432
@pauljennings8432 5 ай бұрын
People keep saying they will sell to Andretti the question is can he afford to buy them. Unless GM help them financially
@MandaPii_
@MandaPii_ 5 ай бұрын
Alpine may not be for sale, because a deal might already be in place with possibly Hitech, Andretti or someone else.
@bduddy55555
@bduddy55555 5 ай бұрын
It's been inevitable for years, ever since they renamed the team after a fringe brand selling one car
@Shefinanigans
@Shefinanigans 5 ай бұрын
They said the team is not for sale What if they’re already planning a sale with someone specific and not willing to sell to others?
@raymondu99
@raymondu99 5 ай бұрын
2009 - Briatore left in disgrace 2024 - “Baby come back! You can blame it all on me 😭” Briatore - "You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you, back to me"
@goodshipkaraboudjan
@goodshipkaraboudjan 5 ай бұрын
They'll have a buy back clause. They always do.
@MetaPat29
@MetaPat29 5 ай бұрын
sorry to be blunt, but since they evicted the - excuse my French - great Cyril Abiteboul - the Renault transformation into Alpine has been a successive slope down. There are great podcasts explaining Cyril's viewpoints on what should have been, but somehow latin culture driven teams (and god knows i am one and i love Ferrari every second i breathe) struggle to keep the long-term sustained retained team of seniors McLaren, Red Bull, Mercedes alikes are mastering. Keep an eye on Haas as this culture is also very clear for US based masters like Penske, Andretti, and Haas themselves over there... Beyond these factors, any OEM experienced person will see that the Alpine F1 gig has moved already into a "brand marketing" thingy that we also saw from Mini-BMW when they did the racing series that went directly away once the Mini sales were reaching targets - Remember my words :)
@gunit2389
@gunit2389 5 ай бұрын
Don't see many Alpines driving around on the roads in the UK. Think the whole brand has failed in my honest opinion
@barryfastcars25
@barryfastcars25 5 ай бұрын
I wish Lotus would purchase Enstone outright. Lotus - AMG would be a great addition to the grid.
@jaitrivedi6931
@jaitrivedi6931 5 ай бұрын
Do we smell an Andretti Alpine collaboration?
@Jaxymann
@Jaxymann 5 ай бұрын
F1 teams come and go, but a constructor with the history, pedigree and legacy of success that Renault has is nothing less than a titanic blow to the sport. It's one thing for the likes of backmarker teams like HRT and Marussia to fizzle out, but one of F1's most historically successful entities withdrawing because of the sheer ineptitude of it's managerial class is a disaster of unbelievable proportions.
@alessandrohudson5221
@alessandrohudson5221 5 ай бұрын
This is beginning to end. How as an F-1 team that's own engine decides abandon it and becomes a customer of another? Since has hybrid era began, they have had struggling. Alpine is the less likeable team from the grid (for me) and its selling to Andretti or to any other would be the best way.
@johnjones928
@johnjones928 5 ай бұрын
Renault has done everything wrong since re entering in 2016, the one defining factor has always been the edict to run the program on the cheap yet expect the same results as the front runners. They are mimicking a factory effort while operating like a privateer, and bringing flavio back in was always going to be regressive. De Meo has been the biggest disaster since Jerome Stoll finally went away, he simply has no idea how to run a race team.
@imrandarr1094
@imrandarr1094 5 ай бұрын
I’m telling you now, Renault will sell its team to Hitech. The hiring of Oliver is pretty obvious.
@BrAnarkey
@BrAnarkey 5 ай бұрын
Up to speed… shoutout James pumphrey
@georgesantana3888
@georgesantana3888 5 ай бұрын
This was a terrible move for Renault, what they should have done is sell the damn team and stay as an engine supplier. Renault has been historically more successful in this role than being a full works team. The only time they have won this way was 2005-2006 with Alonso. But as an engine supplier, wufff they've got tremendous success. What a shame, I really really like the Renault brand, but this stupidity to push for that Alpine brand has hurt them dearly.
@EvanRichards-dg1ye
@EvanRichards-dg1ye 5 ай бұрын
This is highly unlikely but… It would be cool to see Peugeot in F1 A more likely option is to have Andretti just buy them (I would like this too)
@Jay_The_Cat
@Jay_The_Cat 5 ай бұрын
Briatore is not the right man for any job in F1. Renault have lost their minds.
@goodshipkaraboudjan
@goodshipkaraboudjan 5 ай бұрын
He has done well in the past.
@MalcolmTann0
@MalcolmTann0 5 ай бұрын
@@goodshipkaraboudjanYh 20/30 years ago
@Jay_The_Cat
@Jay_The_Cat 5 ай бұрын
@@goodshipkaraboudjan In the past, yes - before he disgraced himself.
@mahmoodsagharjooghi
@mahmoodsagharjooghi 5 ай бұрын
I love your videos ❤! And the background music fits so well with every video! Is it original music or do you use an existing one? Can you possibly like to a playlist if there's one?
@QALibrary
@QALibrary 5 ай бұрын
Could the reason why Renault wants out of F1 becuse ROI does not look good and there very limited sales market for them? Renault only list 15 countries they have sales in with Brazil being the nearest market to North America with 56,000 sales in H1
@truthboomertruthbomber5125
@truthboomertruthbomber5125 5 ай бұрын
The French ( and Italians for that matter) have never figured out the USA car buying public.
@BiggieTrismegistus
@BiggieTrismegistus 5 ай бұрын
​@@truthboomertruthbomber5125I don't ever remember seeing a single Renault in the states.
@truthboomertruthbomber5125
@truthboomertruthbomber5125 5 ай бұрын
@@BiggieTrismegistus They actually were somewhat common in the 60s with Dauphines , R8s and R10s. Sold some R12s and R17 Gordinis. Then about 1975 they tied up with AMC and sold R5 LeCars and then later Alliance and something else - Encores and the sport coupe based on the R17 platform. Then a slow death. Gone before the 90s. Quirky niche cars trying to take on Japan.
@charaznable1131
@charaznable1131 5 ай бұрын
Jaguar needs some marketing an f1 team will be a great part of their marketing portfolio
@teamredgutz399
@teamredgutz399 5 ай бұрын
Of course they’re selling the team. They’re giving us their status as a works team. And they’re thinking about crazy moves like getting only fans as a title sponsor. Andretti - here is a team you can buy and join F1. What a dumpster fire. I feel for Pierre.
@leoarevalo6786
@leoarevalo6786 5 ай бұрын
And supposedly the renault engine was gonna be as good as the merc engine or at least have a 15hp difference
@seen48
@seen48 5 ай бұрын
Not all car manufacturers need F1 to promote the brand. However, a BMW, Porsche or Lamborghini F1 team does sound cool!
@djse
@djse 5 ай бұрын
Renault is slowly killing Alpine since 1973, even sadder is that they kill Renault Sport in the process
@BlagoP
@BlagoP 5 ай бұрын
A lesson on how to destroy a works Formula 1 team that has won multiple championships and made one of the most winningest engines in F1. Great job guys.
@gregbrown6379
@gregbrown6379 5 ай бұрын
With every move they make, they devalue the team and brand. At the rate they are going right now, they will have to pay someone to take it.
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 5 ай бұрын
TR won’t stop bashing Briatore until they can somehow force him out of Alpine. Then they’ll focus on undermining Max and Alonso again. I like how you ignore every single pro to ditching the factory engine.
@jamdc2000
@jamdc2000 5 ай бұрын
Motor Racing, the best way to turn billionaires into millionaires
@atharvsawant7509
@atharvsawant7509 5 ай бұрын
I hope Alpine finish 9th in the championship this year just so the graph at 10:21 can look symmetric 😉
@TheCheesenChips
@TheCheesenChips 5 ай бұрын
Renault doesn't need the money, the Renault F1 team is just an advert for Alpine anyway. They just don't want to spend millions on engine development that might not work out for them.
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