Is Kyle Larson BETTER Than Max Verstappen?

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Josh Revell

Josh Revell

Күн бұрын

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@DuckSwagington
@DuckSwagington 2 ай бұрын
The REAL test to see who is better is a timed lap in a Suzuki Liana on an airfield track near Guildford as God intended.
@max1999_
@max1999_ 2 ай бұрын
As someone who lives in Guildford wtf is the context of this comment 😂
@LBRF1_
@LBRF1_ 2 ай бұрын
@@max1999_maybe top gear? They used to put f1 drivers and other celebrities in reasonably priced cars and compare their times. Dunno if their track is in Guildford tho
@lewysmedford5420
@lewysmedford5420 2 ай бұрын
@@LBRF1_ I think the track was at Dunsfold aerodrome, its about 10 miles or so directly south of Guildford, even funnier as "the followthrough", "Chicago corner" and "....and across the line!" are listed as "historical landmark" and tourist attractions on google maps view of Top gear test track.
@sasmithananth7771
@sasmithananth7771 2 ай бұрын
OP definitely has the track record there in the Suzuki
@ghomerhust
@ghomerhust 2 ай бұрын
this is the way
@AS19Motorsport
@AS19Motorsport 2 ай бұрын
My conclusion: bring back the Race of Champions
@zoelotero
@zoelotero 2 ай бұрын
More like a better version of it. The format as it used to be was barely more than an off-season exhibition
@jok3r906
@jok3r906 2 ай бұрын
It'd be the absolute easiest and straightforward way to see who's better between the two
@rexthewolf3149
@rexthewolf3149 2 ай бұрын
@@jok3r906in what environment and car thou. If you put kyle in a f1 car max would beat him and the opposite would go if you put max in stock car.
@aaronmaharajh441
@aaronmaharajh441 2 ай бұрын
YES
@aroderiv3393
@aroderiv3393 2 ай бұрын
it wuold be fantastic, but i think a lot of driver are absolutely locked by their contract not to do dangerous things. And i fear that Max is absolutely one of them, but maybe if this stimualte him enough, Marko could let him do it.
@johnciolfi5085
@johnciolfi5085 2 ай бұрын
I know we’re talking about a different era here, but it’s wild to go look back at Mario Andretti’s career - Indycar world champ, F1 world champ, Indy 500 winner, Daytona 500 winner, 12h Sebring winner, 24h Daytona winner, second at Le Mans (first in class), victories in sprint car and sports car… the man was incredible at every level. He set the bar incredibly high for people looking to claim the title of best all-around driver.
@Yukino-014
@Yukino-014 2 ай бұрын
Andretti also won the 1969 Pikes Peak event, alongside his Indy 500 win that same year. If I may add a mandatory Jacky Ickx mention: 1967 F2 Champion, 8 F1 race wins, 1969/1970 F1 Championship runner-up, 6-time Le Mans 24h winner, 1977 Bathurst 1000 winner, 1979 Can-Am champion, 1982/1983 WSC champion, 1983 Dakar Rally winner. I also feel obliged to mention Graham Hill: 1962/1968 F1 World Champion, 5-time Monaco GP winner, 1966 Indy 500 winner, 1972 Le Mans 24h winner, and the only driver to achieve the Triple Crown, in both its older and newer definitions. Andretti, Ickx and Hill are my personal Holy Trinity of motorsport from the old times. These guys were legendary and talented all-around.
@afterburnerfox
@afterburnerfox 2 ай бұрын
Hopefully, a future world constructors champions too
@Bruno-2108
@Bruno-2108 2 ай бұрын
tbf in 1978 he was world champion only because Ronnie Peterson had to follow precise team order and also because he died that year
@antonsamuelsson1317
@antonsamuelsson1317 2 ай бұрын
​@@Bruno-2108Chapman wanted to sell in america
@aojracing4885
@aojracing4885 2 ай бұрын
@@Yukino-014 I also feel obligated to mention John Surtees, only person to ever win at the highest level of both car and motorcycle racing.
@mb5970
@mb5970 2 ай бұрын
Verstappen: “Ah you think racing is your ally? You merely adopted racing. I was born in it, molded by it"
@MarianoGallicchio
@MarianoGallicchio 2 ай бұрын
I didn't take off my helmet until I had won a race
@GaadhiMahendra
@GaadhiMahendra 29 күн бұрын
​@@MarianoGallicchioquite literally, coz Jos animal would beat him if he loses😂m
@daneger9792
@daneger9792 18 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@mikelitoris6315
@mikelitoris6315 2 ай бұрын
RBR should replace Perez with Larson. That way we can once again prove how fast Max is.
@Gotchalaboom
@Gotchalaboom 7 күн бұрын
Depends. Verstappens car is different it’s like Schumacher and not every driver likes that
@Lanse1984
@Lanse1984 6 күн бұрын
​@@GotchalaboomMax makes the car fast. If Larsen is so good he can drive it as well😅😅😅
@DennyDeliversYT
@DennyDeliversYT 2 ай бұрын
kyle larson this… max verstappen that… it’s all gangster until juan pablo montoya enters the chat
@agent_bedrock5844
@agent_bedrock5844 2 ай бұрын
That man has actually done everything
@WilhelmX666
@WilhelmX666 2 ай бұрын
Stats will say JPM lost the brickayard 400. We all know he had them beat.
@zoelotero
@zoelotero 2 ай бұрын
Or a prime Mario Andretti. Dude could win in absolutely everyhing.
@TheGreat_Kramer1
@TheGreat_Kramer1 2 ай бұрын
You forgot about Carl Edwards.
@zoelotero
@zoelotero 2 ай бұрын
​@@TheGreat_Kramer1Edwards retired 8 years ago.
@liamlaus
@liamlaus 2 ай бұрын
The best way to decide the best driver in the world would be to host 1v1s on Rust, only no scopes.
@sheeshman9713
@sheeshman9713 2 ай бұрын
The best way to settle any argument really
@TMcKeon408
@TMcKeon408 2 ай бұрын
No items, Fox only, Final Destination! That how I would settle it.
@grillmeisterkush6396
@grillmeisterkush6396 2 ай бұрын
This man is cultured right here
@MaxyStorm3
@MaxyStorm3 2 ай бұрын
And the final kill has to be a trickshot
@seventh-hydra
@seventh-hydra 2 ай бұрын
​@@grillmeisterkush6396 The cultured answer is Blood Run/ZTN or Deck 16/Deck 17.
@filet-o-frisch
@filet-o-frisch 2 ай бұрын
I don't know why we're having this conversation when we all know the answer is unironically Shane Van Gisbergen.
@BDSFormula1
@BDSFormula1 2 ай бұрын
But seriously, Kyle cannot be saying this with a straight face
@thestarlightalchemist7333
@thestarlightalchemist7333 2 ай бұрын
Y e s
@colinboone9920
@colinboone9920 2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@TheLocalScrub-m
@TheLocalScrub-m 2 ай бұрын
Correct ✅
@ThatGuyGloomy
@ThatGuyGloomy 2 ай бұрын
nah my goat is Stingray Rob
@cillian303
@cillian303 2 ай бұрын
Sebastien Loeb has to have a mention for this. Absolutely dominated WRC, was competitive and I believe had a few wins in rallycross, prototype, touring and cup cars, and was given an f1 test by Redbull where the engineer said "at a guess I would say Sebastien is running somewhere in the midfield"
@antagonistickeypress5271
@antagonistickeypress5271 Ай бұрын
And i also believe he did quite well in LeMans at some point. And he also set the Pikes peak record at one point. I don’t know how much Pikes peak is down to the car but still. Loeb is something else.
@jacobbarton6689
@jacobbarton6689 2 ай бұрын
0:01 me after 10 beers in my mx-5
@hanswurst6712
@hanswurst6712 2 ай бұрын
His claim to be the best was just a genius PR move. Never before there was more talk about him.
@eoincassin4265
@eoincassin4265 2 ай бұрын
I think how he got banned from NASCAR might have had more people talking 😂
@elviejomonca4719
@elviejomonca4719 2 ай бұрын
Bro forgot about 2020
@crystaljon
@crystaljon 2 ай бұрын
I should remind everyone that Larson also said that, if head-to-head in F1, Max would definitely beat him.
@ThatwasJuli
@ThatwasJuli 2 ай бұрын
He never said he is the best, he only said that he's the better all-round driver.
@arroe8386
@arroe8386 2 ай бұрын
​@@crystaljon well, even Latifi and Sergeant would do that
@TheJudge2017
@TheJudge2017 2 ай бұрын
The only way to settle this is a Larson X Verstappen Car Swap at COTA
@joshuapowers4623
@joshuapowers4623 2 ай бұрын
Except it's way more than just the 2 cars. Even in Kyle's own claim he said Max would almost certainly smoke him in an open wheel formula car.
@AeroGuy07
@AeroGuy07 2 ай бұрын
Lewis and Tony Stewart did that at Watkins Glen about 10 years ago.
@rapcoremanx
@rapcoremanx 2 ай бұрын
@@AeroGuy07 Alonso and Jimmie did it as well
@TheJudge2017
@TheJudge2017 2 ай бұрын
@@AeroGuy07 Alonso and Johnson did the same
@DannyRicBobby
@DannyRicBobby 2 ай бұрын
And Juan Montoya and Jeff Gordon.
@Wolfie_0202
@Wolfie_0202 2 ай бұрын
Why is this even a discussion. Everyone knows the best is Nicholas GOATifi closely followed by CRASHtor Maldonado
@32thousanddollarsinlegalfees
@32thousanddollarsinlegalfees 2 ай бұрын
Cody Ware too
@somerandomanonymousnpc
@somerandomanonymousnpc 2 ай бұрын
and mahaveer the goat
@davidstahl2156
@davidstahl2156 2 ай бұрын
How could you forget to mention Nikita mazespin
@osrspac420
@osrspac420 2 ай бұрын
check your phone the BASED department is calling
@quintin359
@quintin359 2 ай бұрын
​@inky.64 the only thing choady ware is beating is his girlfriend
@protoretro1290
@protoretro1290 2 ай бұрын
I would absolutely love to see a race between Max Verstappen, Kyle Larson, and Shane Van Gisbergen.
@armkidmustang
@armkidmustang 2 ай бұрын
Harvick doesn't pay close enough to F1 and what Max does off that track, he lives and breathes ALL aspects of racing from the moment he wakes up
@noviranger88
@noviranger88 2 ай бұрын
Well racing fans, we did it. We have our own Goku vs. Superman debate.
@markalbert9011
@markalbert9011 2 ай бұрын
Just to piss off people Mario Andretti is the GOAT World Champion 5 Indy championships Indianapolis 500 Daytona 500 (in a car visibly oversteering) USAC Sprint Car Championship Multiple endurance racing victories And missed the triple crown by finishing 2'nd at Lemans
@AmericanRacer07
@AmericanRacer07 2 ай бұрын
I think this is the most agreeable comment here.
@Zadlo14
@Zadlo14 2 ай бұрын
Fernando Alonso was 21 laps from winning the triple crown
@privateinformation2960
@privateinformation2960 2 ай бұрын
then our nige wins the f1 championship, goes over to the US, does one season of champ car, and wallops andretti hands down with a hole in his back. if Andretti is the goat, Mansell is the guy riding the goat.
@AndrewGeierMelons
@AndrewGeierMelons 2 ай бұрын
I think Mario can claim the triple crown because he won his class at Le Mans, even if not overall... I've never considered the rule being that you have to win overall.
@MJsDailyMotivation
@MJsDailyMotivation 2 ай бұрын
Not going to piss off anyone. You're absolutely correct. 😊
@OGManFromToronto
@OGManFromToronto 2 ай бұрын
As a nascar and f1 fan, we all say kyle larson this and max verstappen that but just wait till we see Cody Ware Domination
@flameosaurus1832
@flameosaurus1832 2 ай бұрын
Blatant BJ McLeod erasure
@andreysab3432
@andreysab3432 2 ай бұрын
Cody Ware domination could bore fans
@AmericanRacer07
@AmericanRacer07 2 ай бұрын
Cody Ware and RWR dynasty incoming.
@hehe-IgoBRRRR
@hehe-IgoBRRRR 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm never going to watch a woman abuser dominate. Thank you.
@Andrew0506u3e
@Andrew0506u3e 2 ай бұрын
Cody ware almost won, if he did, I would have laughed my ass off
@j.s.p
@j.s.p 2 ай бұрын
F1 drivers are seriously the most fit type of athletes, but on the driving side, I seriously believe that the WRC drivers are the standard, because of their adaptability on driving every different corner flat out.
@wikuskruger21
@wikuskruger21 2 ай бұрын
I also wanted to say.... Throw in a Neuville. Or Ravonpera... Those guys are awesome
@commanderclaude8781
@commanderclaude8781 2 ай бұрын
Military Fighter Pilots pull 10 x more g's both horizontal and vertical than any F1 driver ..... if you put verstappen in a military jet and he pulled back on the stick hard his eyes would roll in the back of his head and he would black out in 5 seconds 👍
@MarianoGallicchio
@MarianoGallicchio 2 ай бұрын
When Loeb went to race WTCC coudn't defeat Lopez( very close to be a F1 driver) in same car.
@canismajoris6733
@canismajoris6733 Ай бұрын
Bottas finished 3rd in some random wrc race he decided to do
@j.s.p
@j.s.p 12 күн бұрын
@@MarianoGallicchio And then you see Rovanpera beating the Porsche Cup Benelux regulars.
@adysun
@adysun 2 ай бұрын
Seeing Connor Zilisch's name up there with the rest of those legends is a wild sight. He's the only driver I've seen as young as 15 that I can confidently say will shock the world with his racing as he progresses.
@TankSlappr
@TankSlappr 2 ай бұрын
I'd look at the WRC for the best drivers in the world
@taomasterwaka6287
@taomasterwaka6287 2 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure tbh. Rallying requires a lot of skill don't get me wrong, but formula one has the advantage of being the top level of a massive global ladder. Any given year there are hundreds of young drivers racing in formula ones various feeders at the national and international level, rallying by comparison is far more niche with far fewer people trying to get into it.
@HDTech22
@HDTech22 2 ай бұрын
Isle of Man.
@dailysneakers_
@dailysneakers_ 2 ай бұрын
lol, who the fuck is kyle larson? I'd rather see Kalle vs Max lol
@AngryFrenchPenguin
@AngryFrenchPenguin 2 ай бұрын
the absolute monster that is Loeb... the dude can just naturally win wherever he goes. will be interesting to see how he will do at Dakar (with Dacia of all brands...)
@joweeqc98
@joweeqc98 2 ай бұрын
Tru those guys are insane
@kaleem9652
@kaleem9652 2 ай бұрын
Scott Mclaughlin should also be in the conversation. He's one heck of a driver. Winning three consecutive supercars championship in a row while SVG and whincup were still around is a heck of an achievement
@romeoecho9947
@romeoecho9947 2 ай бұрын
Agree 100%
@I.J.1981.
@I.J.1981. 2 ай бұрын
As an Australian, even I agree with this.
@JaradS99
@JaradS99 2 ай бұрын
@@kaleem9652 Won Supercars in basically a GT3 for 2 years and bought a Bathurst 1000 win
@rhéacevert
@rhéacevert 2 ай бұрын
@@JaradS99are you actually this stupid?
@Ryan97NZ
@Ryan97NZ 2 ай бұрын
@@JaradS99go off king
@mrterp04
@mrterp04 2 ай бұрын
One of the best breakdowns of the difference between road courses & ovals: road courses are about hitting your marks ovals are about running the best line that you can because there’s probably another car currently hitting your marks
@privateinformation2960
@privateinformation2960 2 ай бұрын
you forgot 'and staying awake'
@hehe-IgoBRRRR
@hehe-IgoBRRRR 2 ай бұрын
@@privateinformation2960 yeah road racing can be absolute boredom sometimes
@jeremythurman5261
@jeremythurman5261 2 ай бұрын
Moving around to find grip. Track is constantly changing. Knowing how to run the wall for more speed.
@miker7920
@miker7920 2 ай бұрын
​@@hehe-IgoBRRRRwatching ice melt still beats watching nascar tho.
@hehe-IgoBRRRR
@hehe-IgoBRRRR 2 ай бұрын
@@miker7920 who said I was talking about nascar?
@tylerlynch5540
@tylerlynch5540 2 ай бұрын
As a NASCAR fan who has heard the F1 side of this argument with people who have done no research, I appreciate you doing your research on BOTH ends. You covered how great Max AND Kyle are. Documenting how Larson was a part of a Rolex 24 overall win (I feel like that is severely overlooked), and the fact that Red Bull has been a rotation of drivers since Vettel left, with Daniel being the closest to sniff Max's success. The GOAT driver conversation should always go on, and there should not be a definitive answer. You hear it in all sports. I mean on NASCAR's end we can't decide if Dale Earnhardt Sr, Richard Petty, or Jimmie Johnson is the greatest. Good job on your research, honestly you are one of my favorite motorsports' content creators.
@rathios6677
@rathios6677 2 ай бұрын
y'all forget nascar and formula 1 are so different it's just a joke to even have this conversation, it's nonsens, we can't compare them
@AlexMitoMedia
@AlexMitoMedia 2 ай бұрын
It's actually Fernando Alonso
@izzieb
@izzieb 2 ай бұрын
It's always Magic Alonso.
@ronbelanger4113
@ronbelanger4113 2 ай бұрын
No one is ever going to touch his GP start record.
@Zvezdan_Dojkic
@Zvezdan_Dojkic 2 ай бұрын
Q: Who is the best driver? And why Alonso?😁😉
@100_vadlavikramchary9
@100_vadlavikramchary9 2 ай бұрын
🐐🫡
@alainaverio9245
@alainaverio9245 2 ай бұрын
​@@100_vadlavikramchary9This
@juniormandujano4845
@juniormandujano4845 2 ай бұрын
I love that Josh put Christopher Bell in his theoretical world Grand Prix grid. He doesn’t get a lot of recognition and he is really talented in both oval and road course. Also he’s from my hometown of Norman, Oklahoma which is so cool he can represent that.
@somerandomanonymousnpc
@somerandomanonymousnpc 2 ай бұрын
hes the best jgr driver rn and what annoys me so much is that hes js like larson he keeps making dumb mistakes
@chadplusplus
@chadplusplus 2 ай бұрын
A wild Connor Zilisch appears! I know he won the FIA Karting Academy against the likes of a certain Kimi and fairly good success so far in sports cars, but I wasn't aware he was on the international radar!
@eclipze9412
@eclipze9412 2 ай бұрын
I was shocked (in a good way) to see him on that list. What a list to be on so early in his career, same with Kalle.
@erikgreen9769
@erikgreen9769 2 ай бұрын
Zilisch is young and raw and frankly has proven he can drive anything already
@noviranger88
@noviranger88 2 ай бұрын
LeBron is nothing compared to what Connor Zilisch will be.
@RRaquello
@RRaquello 2 ай бұрын
Lake Speed won the world karting championship beating, amongst others, Ayrton Senna. He had a long but mostly mediocre career in NASCAR, winning one cup race and once finishing second in the Daytona 500. What it proved was that a driver from Brazil has more opportunities on the international stage than a driver from Mississippi.
@privateinformation2960
@privateinformation2960 2 ай бұрын
if he was racing karts against kimi hes already past retirement age for F1
@Collegefootballtopic
@Collegefootballtopic 2 ай бұрын
Guys stop acting like nascar is easy. You think driving on a highway at 70 is sketchy nascar is 40 cars racing within 5 seconds of eachother going 190. One mistake and everything falls apart. Keeping tires clean blocking and so on. Want ale to seat more cause I can.
@NolanRempel
@NolanRempel 2 ай бұрын
"A lot of F1 diehards look upon the sport of NASCAR as a joke" ...Honestly, looking at NASCAR lately from the officiating side, and all of the horrible decisions they've made over the last 20 years, stripping more and more legitimacy of the series away, it's really hard to disagree with them right about now.
@SomeRand0mKid
@SomeRand0mKid 2 ай бұрын
As a NASCAR fan, I gotta agree
@NolanRempel
@NolanRempel 2 ай бұрын
@@SomeRand0mKid it’s a painful truth LOL
@SomeRand0mKid
@SomeRand0mKid 2 ай бұрын
@@NolanRempel yeah. NASCAR is just run by clowns
@kingos2517
@kingos2517 2 ай бұрын
Sorry but NASCAR has always been a joke, Right turn Clyde.
@SomeRand0mKid
@SomeRand0mKid 2 ай бұрын
@@kingos2517 Clearly you haven’t watched NASCAR. We have the most types of tracks including a few road courses.
@PentaRodriguez
@PentaRodriguez 2 ай бұрын
11:32 that's why i want motor racing at the olympics, even if it's just karting. imagine all of those guys racing for gold.
@AndrewYac
@AndrewYac 2 ай бұрын
The Race Of Champions kinda does that already, so now imagine if they accepted ROC as an Olympic event
@rogerlafaille9938
@rogerlafaille9938 2 ай бұрын
That would be sick , just stock karts would watch fosure
@mike731188
@mike731188 2 ай бұрын
FIA Motorsport Games
@GonzoM1A1
@GonzoM1A1 2 ай бұрын
The X games
@Phonixrmf
@Phonixrmf 2 ай бұрын
A1 Grand Prix
@ZIGAG1999
@ZIGAG1999 2 ай бұрын
After watching this video, i've learned 1 thing.... WE NEED IROC BACK!!!! For anyone that doesn't know what iroc was, it was the International Race of Champions. Where the champions of each racing series from their previous seasons would go and run a Spec racecar racing series around road courses and ovals to win a championship.
@mikemelina7395
@mikemelina7395 2 ай бұрын
The problem with IROC was the cars. They favored NASCAR and IMSA drivers because they were nothing like anything that races in Europe. It would be a better idea to have a split series with the drivers running half open wheel and half German touring car, or Corvettes/Ferraris, in which case, Verstappen would win anyway. Put them all in Mazda Miatas.
@RRaquello
@RRaquello 2 ай бұрын
@@mikemelina7395 When IROC started they raced in Porsches. As it went on, fewer and fewer drivers from other series were allowed, by their main contracts, to participate in IROC and it basically became a NASCAR practice session. Then it was pointless.
@antonsamuelsson1317
@antonsamuelsson1317 2 ай бұрын
​@@mikemelina7395 mick placed second behind Ekstöm or Loeb
@MarcBarkyMarta
@MarcBarkyMarta 2 ай бұрын
They can just do a go-kart race like on Honda thanks day. Nothing to settle an argument like a 200cc spec race in a tube-frame whatever.
@RRaquello
@RRaquello 2 ай бұрын
@@MarcBarkyMarta I'd like to see them in a Figure-8 race in old bangers. A Figure-8 race will test peripheral vision, reaction and guts & commitment. And in a Figure-8 race you have to turn both left & right. Then we'll see who the best driver is. In that case I'd bet Larson over Max, but it would be fun to see.
@beanbagbeanbag
@beanbagbeanbag 2 ай бұрын
I firmly believe Kalle Rovanpera is the best all-around driver on the planet at the moment. Wins in top level rally and drift and recent win in Porsche Cup.
@koop2014
@koop2014 2 ай бұрын
erm, that's not a FIA series so he obviously isn't the best
@smooth-roberator
@smooth-roberator 2 ай бұрын
I think ogier is better but he is undeniably top 3
@RandomGuy37
@RandomGuy37 2 ай бұрын
Definitely. Rovanperä is the best at rallying atm plus world class in both drifting and Porsche cup. It'd be interesting to see him test an F1 car and see how his laps compare to Verstappen. I have a feeling he could be even faster than Perez
@paperplane-db8qf
@paperplane-db8qf 2 ай бұрын
Rally drivers are pretty overrated. Let’s be real, if they were the fastest drivers in the world then they would be in F1 earning 10s of millions of dollars and without risking their lives.
@koop2014
@koop2014 2 ай бұрын
@@paperplane-db8qf spoken like a true f1 elitist loser
@TheDaemon66
@TheDaemon66 2 ай бұрын
The best racing driver is probably a rally driver, but on circuit - Kevin Estre
@jessegm1
@jessegm1 2 ай бұрын
So kimmi Raikkonen?
@Mogi-MC
@Mogi-MC 2 ай бұрын
I feel this question is like comparing the best people in say; Rainbow Six Siege to CS:GO, they're both shooter games but vastly different and you can't really just say one person is better than the other unless they compete in the same sport
@Evan-i4e
@Evan-i4e Ай бұрын
I think it means more like you cloned them, trained each clone to do a certain motorsport minus planes and boats maybe, had clones of both in every motorsport minus planes and boats maybe, entered the clones all the same year who would win the most the most. Personally, I think it would be Larson just for the sheer number of off road and dirt motor sports, plus, he's very competent at road courses so realistically he would be barely below Stepen on those. It would be a good top gear type show after both retire put both of them plus all the others mentioned in the comments in every motorsport and see who wins the most truly a grand tour.
@MrTakaMOSHi
@MrTakaMOSHi 2 ай бұрын
Everyone is ignoring Scott McLaughlin. Wins in both tintops and open wheels
@dovifan468
@dovifan468 2 ай бұрын
And he seems to be only getting better the longer he runs in IndyCar
@Ryan97NZ
@Ryan97NZ 2 ай бұрын
For good reason
@NicoGorsberg
@NicoGorsberg 2 ай бұрын
He just won at the Milwaukee Mile. He won at the oval of Iowa and at road course of Barber this year. Plus Indy 500 pole winner. Yes, he's seriously good
@CrunchyMotorsport
@CrunchyMotorsport 2 ай бұрын
The only way to prove it is do a best of 7 (gt, nascar, indycar, f1 and gt, rally and electric) and then find out
@taylortnt1175
@taylortnt1175 2 ай бұрын
Get rid of electric and you got a deal
@NicoGorsberg
@NicoGorsberg 2 ай бұрын
@@taylortnt1175 yes, replace the electric by shifter karts
@larsdijk12
@larsdijk12 13 күн бұрын
Or iRacing
@gakobayashi1449
@gakobayashi1449 2 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Max would be a beast all around. He's elite even in sim racing, which is pure adaptation
@readysetmoses
@readysetmoses 2 ай бұрын
Pretty sure would be….so no basis in fact and pure speculation, got it
@deathtrooper2048
@deathtrooper2048 2 ай бұрын
Sim racing is a video game, not real.
@cadenzhou5860
@cadenzhou5860 2 ай бұрын
@@deathtrooper2048 hence his point about adaptation
@colincampbell3837
@colincampbell3837 2 ай бұрын
I think it's important to mention Max's 235,000,210 junior series championships. Max is very adaptible as well. I think that it'd take both drivers a while to get used to the different machinery, but Max is better.
@jasonmorrison3935
@jasonmorrison3935 2 ай бұрын
When Max retires, any NASCAR team would jump to sign him. Kyle, today, in his prime, wouldn’t get signed by any F1 team on the grid… not even Sauber.
@pandaexpress7326
@pandaexpress7326 2 ай бұрын
F1 also has unreal standards to even get in, so you have to pay. Which spoiler alert, it’s a lot of money
@steffighter144
@steffighter144 2 ай бұрын
You have to have superlicense points...so
@AcidQuark
@AcidQuark 2 ай бұрын
Simp Alert! LOL
@Finitya
@Finitya 2 ай бұрын
@@AcidQuarkmate what?
@AcidQuark
@AcidQuark 2 ай бұрын
@@Finitya lmao enough said
@southpaw17fl16
@southpaw17fl16 2 ай бұрын
Let's get Larson to the Bathurst 1000
@RRaquello
@RRaquello 2 ай бұрын
That would be cool, but there's an unsolvable scheduling conflict. There was talk a few years back of Chase Elliott trying Bathhurst, and he wanted to do it but it was impossible. Elliott is a good road racer, so it would have been interesting to see how he would do.
@privateinformation2960
@privateinformation2960 2 ай бұрын
@@RRaquello nascar and toca drivers pair up with aussie drivers yearly for bathurst. hell we even get to laugh at female nascar drivers who think theyre going to FINISH bathurst let alone win (murphy gets a $100,000 fine for correctly pointing out Di Silvestra WILL NOT FINISH, she bins her car after 40 laps, sits in the pits while her ALL MALE mechanical team rebuild the car, joins the race and DOES NOT finish 90% and therefore IS DNF. You think CAMS revoked Murphys fine and apologised? No, they just ignored the rules and classed the non finishers as finishers so he was still 'incorrect' (he wasnt, women are not capable of running at full race speed around bathurst for the length of time the races run there. period. maybe they can do it in midgets or lower classes or in an all female field, but they arent winning top tier events.
@Bowmanfan48-88
@Bowmanfan48-88 2 ай бұрын
He could win that
@RRaquello
@RRaquello 2 ай бұрын
@@privateinformation2960 It gets me that you'll hear the same motor sports commentator say, "Racing is a real sport and drivers are real athletes" and "There should be more women in top flight racing". You can't have it both ways. If racing is a real sport, then women can't compete with men. If women can compete with men in top flight racing, then it ain't a real sport. You don't hear commentators of other sports saying, f'rinstance, "There should be more women linebackers in the NFL", or, "Why aren't there more women playing in the National Hockey League?" because there's no questioning that those are real sports and the notion of women playing against men in those sports is absurd. More than absurd, it would be suicidal. So far the only motor sport women have been successful at is drag racing which, in a top fuel dragster, lasts less than five seconds. But we have to listen to the ass kissing and pandering of certain commentators who want to sound like they're on the "right side of history". Anyway, I think DiSilvestra is an IndyCar driver. Women have a better chance at actually finishing an IndyCar race because, outside of the 500, they're about half as long as the average NASCAR race. Some years back there was a lady IndyCar driver named Lyn St. James who generally managed not to crash and to finish races by turtling around the track in an inside lane while all the real drivers were passing her on the outside, but she managed to have a career because the team sponsors liked the way she pushed the product. She was a good speaker in the hospitality tents.
@donjoling9639
@donjoling9639 2 ай бұрын
@@RRaquello Michèle Mouton.......
@Joseph_Martini
@Joseph_Martini 2 ай бұрын
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." - Tywin Lannister
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music 2 ай бұрын
It still worked for Michael Jackson though, but yeah, i agree Charles is right.
@couldntthinkofaname1804
@couldntthinkofaname1804 2 ай бұрын
@@Games_and_MusicMicheal Jackson did not name himself king of pop. Elizabeth Taylor did.
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music 2 ай бұрын
@@couldntthinkofaname1804 Hm, i guess there's a lot 'haters' out there saying otherwise. After some Googling i saw that some media outlets also called him that a couple years before Liz. I was always told that he got/claimed this title after Madonna got her "Queen of Pop" title at around the same time (mid 80s).
@couldntthinkofaname1804
@couldntthinkofaname1804 2 ай бұрын
@@Games_and_Music cool. I’ve always heard Liz being credited for it. Guess I’m wrong.
@chiseledmedal2634
@chiseledmedal2634 2 ай бұрын
Kalle Rovanpara sitting on the side lines like "what about me?"
@SuperDeathgun
@SuperDeathgun 2 ай бұрын
Remember during Covid when Max was a wildcard invite at the Virtual AU Supercars series? Remember how he finished on the podium in every race then? Remember how on the night of raceday at Imola this year he got in the virtual GT car of his own team at the Nordschleife 24 hours, setting his team up to win that race with lap times so consistent they were almost identical to the second? Remember how he then won the F1 race that very same day? I have no doubt Max wil win the Le Mans 24u, or any category he races in in the future. Hell he could win the Indy 500 too if he ever changes his mind about oval racing. So he's versatile enough, though I'd love to see an head to head. You know, like some racing event of champions or something....
@strredwolf
@strredwolf 2 ай бұрын
Four race series. Nascar (Daytona), F1(Silverston), Endurance(Spa), Supercar(Bathurst). All road courses. All drivers get identical cars in identical setups.
@ploppyjr2373
@ploppyjr2373 2 ай бұрын
The issue is that identical setup doesn’t work
@RRaquello
@RRaquello 2 ай бұрын
@@ploppyjr2373 Make em race ordinary passenger cars right off the showroom floor, like a Buick. No modifications, no set ups. See how they do in the cars we ordinary people drive every day. Not even safety modifications besides what they wear (helmet, fire suit) and make them drive on public roads, with pot holes and trees on the side of the road. We ordinary drivers face these things every day, if they're so great they should face them too. Have two races, one in the US (say, New York to Boston) and one in Europe (say, Paris to Berlin) and whoever wins, that's who's best.
@ploppyjr2373
@ploppyjr2373 2 ай бұрын
@@RRaquello lmaoooo
@tallestdude
@tallestdude 2 ай бұрын
At this point, Larson should put up or shut up. Easy to make claims, if you know you'll never have to back them up
@taylortnt1175
@taylortnt1175 2 ай бұрын
Larson would love nothing more than to back them up buddy you don't know shit 😂😂😂
@raymondpjoyce
@raymondpjoyce 2 ай бұрын
​@@taylortnt1175agree he may want to back up his claims but the reason he can't is because F1 is such a different discipline it's like comparing horse riding to cycling or whatever He would also need a super licence so would have to compete in other formula series to fulfil requirements The problem is that F1 drivers consider it the top sport and earn more and prefer diving that series, where ex F1 drivers who weren't good enough or past their prime go to indycar
@raymondpjoyce
@raymondpjoyce 2 ай бұрын
​@@taylortnt1175also F1 has massively increased its profile in north America adding 2 new races F1 teams (usually the backmarkers) will hire drivers who can pull in sponsor money even if they're not very good e.g. Gyanyu Zhou is Chinese and has got his seat over better proven drivers because he will bring in Chinese sponsorship as the only home tallent Logan sergeant has just lost his seat halfway through his second season because he was crashing more than he was worth They would surely be making him big offers if they thought he could be competitive in any way Whichever sport you prefer doesn't matter but your take is just an opinion as a fan and based on emotion rather than logic
@psychlops924
@psychlops924 2 ай бұрын
Larson races in everything he can get his hand on. How else is he supposed to “put up or shut up”?
@SuperRoo_22
@SuperRoo_22 2 ай бұрын
Let's just put them Head to Head & settle this debate. Larson in F1. Then Verstappen in Sprintcars, Speedcars/Midgets, NASCAR, IndyCar, & Late Models. See who can get up to speed the fastest.
@8020erwin
@8020erwin 2 ай бұрын
Just for some context about Max, his last season in karting was the best in the history of karting at that point. While figuring out what to do next, they did test days with formula renault, F4 and F3 teams and cars. And he set multiple track records while only doing test for 1 or 2 days.
@shadowmancy9183
@shadowmancy9183 2 ай бұрын
Mr. Verstappen is the best at his craft, and is hyper specialized in driving. With a bit of time, he could probably adapt well to any other driving series. Mr. Larson has shown that he is adaptable in multiple series and can hang with the top drivers, even if he doesn't win, but the nature of NASCAR compared to F1 doesn't accurately reflect how good the drivers are in regards to championships anymore. Truthfully, we need to put them both in something like Nitro Rally, karts, or something off the wall and let them show their natural talent against each other to figure out who's truly better.
@iMDN94
@iMDN94 2 ай бұрын
It’s a pointless debate as we’ll likely never know, but as someone who watches a lot of motorsports, I just have to back Max. Kyle takes anything on an oval (road or dirt), and Max takes literally everything else. Road, dirt, 2 wheels, 4 wheels. Everything.
@Snitsie
@Snitsie 13 күн бұрын
And only reason Max doesn't take ovals too is because he promised his mom he'd never drive them
@rogerjohnson6676
@rogerjohnson6676 2 ай бұрын
Glad to see you're still on air my fellow Kiwi, keep up the good work. I hope yt and FOM don't get to you too
@F1Hub-wz9ty
@F1Hub-wz9ty 2 ай бұрын
Since Josh was cooking with that idea at the end I spent an hour making a championship idea (might be biased cuz ima f1 fan) Ultimate championship Grid: Max verstappen 🇳🇱 Lando Norris 🇬🇧 Charles Leclerc 🇲🇨 Fernando Alonso 🇪🇸 Lewis Hamilton 🇬🇧 Kyle Larson 🇺🇸 Tyler reddick 🇺🇸 Chase Elliott 🇺🇸 Ryan blaney 🇺🇸 Denny Hamlin 🇺🇸 Alex palou 🇪🇸 Will power 🇦🇺 Colton herta 🇺🇸 Scott McLaughlin 🇦🇺 Scott Dixon 🇦🇺 Thierry Neuville 🇧🇪 Sebastian ogier 🇫🇷 Pascale wehrlein 🇩🇪 Mitch Evans 🇳🇿 Nicklas Nielsen 🇩🇰 Miguel Molina 🇪🇸 Antonio fuoco 🇮🇹 Will brown 🇦🇺 Isack hadjar 🇫🇷 Van gisbergen 🇦🇺 Calendar: Indianapolis (indy car) Daytona 500 (nascar) 3 hrs of lemans (hyper car) Bathurst 1000 (super car) Silverstone Grand Prix (f1) London e prix (f e) Monte Carlo rally (rally car) 3 hrs of Nurburgring (gt car) Monaco grand prix (f1) Monaco e prix (f1) 3 hrs of spa (hyper car) Bommarito 500 (Indy car) Phoenix raceway (nascar) La conca (go kart) Rules 10 hrs practice session for everybody that doesn’t drive in that motorsport Only 1 hr practice for who drives in that motorsport Equal cars Point system P1 25 P2 20 P3 18 P4 15 P5 13 P6 11 P7 10 P8 8 P9 6 P10 5 P11 4 P12 3 P13 2 P14 1 Rest 0
@32thousanddollarsinlegalfees
@32thousanddollarsinlegalfees 2 ай бұрын
As a Blaney fan im glad you included him, if only russell was there too so i could watch my favorite nascar and f1 driver race together lol Also instresting pick with reddick
@Thando2010
@Thando2010 2 ай бұрын
Who let u cook with this idea bc dam this is good
@mackamotorsport2593
@mackamotorsport2593 2 ай бұрын
Hadjar? The f2 driver?? Why t.f you put him in there?
@crazycjk
@crazycjk 2 ай бұрын
Actually like how much thought you've put into this. Nice
@richardlittlewood7997
@richardlittlewood7997 2 ай бұрын
🇳🇿Wrong flag for Dixon, McLaughlin and SVG 🇳🇿 Good stuff otherwise.
@thestarlightalchemist7333
@thestarlightalchemist7333 2 ай бұрын
The only thing I can say is that both are dominant drivers that I generally dislike (though for different reasons), and I personally think SVG is better because he can win in almost anything.
@captainnutnut6077
@captainnutnut6077 2 ай бұрын
Likewise. Also, I would say another person who is arguably even better than both of them is Smoke. Tony Stewart has championships in Indycar, Sprint cars, and NASCAR, and is well on the way to a championship in drag racing! He is well up there with the best in the world, in my humble opinion. Edit: SVG is an absolute legend! Love the guy, both as a racer and a person full stop. He 100% deserves to be in the conversation regarding the best all-round driver of all time.
@arthuralford
@arthuralford 2 ай бұрын
@@captainnutnut6077 Speaking of Tony Stewart, when Kyle Larson came off suspension, the first person who wanted to hire him was Stewart, because he saw a lot of himself in him. But Ford, whose cars he used, refused to allow Stewart-Haas Racing to hire him. Rick Hendrick basically told Chevy to shut up, he knows what he's doing, and hired Larson with no sponsor. Hendrick spent millions to get Larson back into Cup, and he rewarded Hendrick with a championship
@captainnutnut6077
@captainnutnut6077 2 ай бұрын
@@arthuralford credit where credit is due to Rick for putting up the money and letting him race. Had he been able to race at SHR, who knows where they would be today? But that's a whole other matter! As a fan of F1 (Lando Norris), NASCAR (Chase Elliott) and Indycar (Pato O'Ward), I find it quite ironic that Kyle raced in a McLaren for the Indy 500, given that McLaren are looking at a potential driver's championship fight with.......Max Verstappen! 😆 It may be obvious, but just in case....the driver names in brackets are my personal favourites from that particular series. With all that being said, yes, Kyle and Max are both top drivers, without a doubt, but they just don't hold a candle to my man Smoke, or, for that matter, Juan Pablo Montoya! Just don't mention the jet drier.......🔥🤭😆😉
@lightsoutracingproductions
@lightsoutracingproductions 2 ай бұрын
Or Scott Mclaughlin who was better than SVG
@somerandomanonymousnpc
@somerandomanonymousnpc 2 ай бұрын
@@captainnutnut6077 no offense to you at all i respect u actually for keeping up with all three but u r a very generic person lol
@tsuchiya999
@tsuchiya999 2 ай бұрын
I'm betting everting that Max is competitive from Day 1 in Nascar and Indicar.
@spencermccormick299
@spencermccormick299 2 ай бұрын
Your argument completely falls apart when you realize that Kimi and Jenson got absolutely stomped in NASCAR while driving competitive equipment at a track where they had previous experience
@Motorsport-club
@Motorsport-club 2 ай бұрын
Nah
@spencermccormick299
@spencermccormick299 2 ай бұрын
@TallTaleGael Jaun Pablo Montoya scored 2 wins in 7 full time seasons. 0 oval wins in over 250 starts. To be "the man to beat" in NASCAR you HAVE to win on ovals, full stop. You're going to tell me that Max is THAT much better than these 3 exceptional drivers? Psh fuck outta here dude. Max very well may be the best driver in the world; He's an insane talent. But to think he'd dominate NASCAR within a season is absurd and indicates that you are not to be taken seriously.
@RRaquello
@RRaquello 2 ай бұрын
IndyCar, yes. NASCAR, probably not. I know Dario Franchitti wasn't Max Verstappen, but he could have been an F1 driver if he had wanted to follow that path, and he was a damned good driver. And he was completely lost in NASCAR. So let's say Verstappen did twice as good as Franchitti. He'd be finishing 17th every race instead of 35th. And that would be considered good for a new driver. Given time, he'd soon be competing for wins on the road circuits, but would continue to struggle on ovals. None of the guys from road racing that I can think of, going back to Gurney & Mark Donahue (who won in NASCAR, but on road circuits), up to Montoya and Marcos Ambrose, ever won on an oval. The only possible exceptions are Andretti winning the Daytona 500, and Robbie Gordon, but they were as much oval guys as a road racers.
@andypowell4702
@andypowell4702 2 ай бұрын
​@@RRaquelloI agree, Max would most likely tear it up in Indycar but Nascar is such a different thing. He could probably do good on road course races like SVG did but the ovals in Nascar are such a different skill set, I've driven a late model stock car on an oval and it was so much more sketchy and unstable feeling than my CRX racecar that I run at road course circuits.
@Brosmobile585
@Brosmobile585 2 ай бұрын
Great video as always. I'm getting sick of constantly having to argue about whos "the best" or "the goat" of anything. People just look at results and form their unwavering opinions. Happens in every sport. People don't appreciate work ethic and the craft of an athlete anymore. Just learn to appreciate the competitive nature and skill level these guys have.
@the_real_beaker_
@the_real_beaker_ 2 ай бұрын
I'm an American, and I am so over this topic. He isn't the best in the world... he says that he is the most well rounded because he races different series. Ok sure, but they are all ovals... I like to point out, never has anyone ever been like "Oh Schumacher is good, but is he better than Jeff Gordon?" no... and I think there is a good reason why. Again, this is coming from an American NASCAR fan, but he isn't as good as Verstappen...
@jeroenverzijl8596
@jeroenverzijl8596 2 ай бұрын
I Love Nascar, bumpercars for grown upps, no ok it is and you must have balls, but max does drives alot of online races in multiple classes, max wil stop with F1 sometime and will go for the Le Mans win in a hypercar or a team created by himself, Alonso says he will hapely join max!
@the_real_beaker_
@the_real_beaker_ 2 ай бұрын
@@jeroenverzijl8596 correct and I think for people to think he’s going to be a rookie in another series that isn’t open wheel but then think that Larson can hop into one and a few days will be as fast as Verstappen is just ignorant
@jeroenverzijl8596
@jeroenverzijl8596 2 ай бұрын
@@the_real_beaker_ driving a f1 is not for every one, some f2 drivers fail and even winners of Le Mans in lmp1 do not can drive it that good, Max is always being set away as a tp agrassif driver and other drivers like lewis are always good, max won his first race after lewis gone off with his teammate!
@the_real_beaker_
@the_real_beaker_ 2 ай бұрын
@@jeroenverzijl8596 ok?
@jeroenverzijl8596
@jeroenverzijl8596 2 ай бұрын
But lots of those people say also that the nascar car driving during the Le Mans was a stock nascar car, it was a hyb4ide with a big v8 not stock
@Mirimius
@Mirimius 2 ай бұрын
Kyle is maybe more diverse and adaptable as a driver, but in terms of raw pace i think Max.
@TheLocalScrub-m
@TheLocalScrub-m 2 ай бұрын
It is arguable that Larson can compete on the pace front, throughout the majority of this season at every race Larson has been the fastest, you can always expect him to be upfront or in the running for the race win, unfortunately he usually gets screwed by bad lucky and other factors, but still I’d agree that verstappen is better
@maxb148
@maxb148 2 ай бұрын
​@TallTaleGaelHe is scared of ovals so won't go to Indy. And ngl, it will be hard to get a seat in Hypercar at Le Mans without kicking a full time driver out in the next few years with the amount of teams participating unless he goes full time WEC.
@56JKL
@56JKL 2 ай бұрын
I definitely disagree with your pace argument as Larson’s pace is one of his most insane qualities, however I will raise the issue of consistency as Larson is known for making mistakes stemming from not knowing when to back off or slow it down. Sometimes he seems to have too much pace and gets into trouble for it frankly.
@NORAPYOUNGLEGEND
@NORAPYOUNGLEGEND 2 ай бұрын
I'm sure some F1 supremacist is going to claim its not close, but I dont think they're comparable because the series are entirely different. Larson as a Dirt Track Racer and NASCAR driver, he is arguably the best oval racer on the planet. But it's like comparing Sebastien Loeb to Dale Earnhardt. Arguably the greatest of all time in their series at their peaks, but way too different of racing to say. If only we did a World Cup for Racing Drivers. Equal machinery on a single course to determine who is the best.
@HirokaAkita
@HirokaAkita 2 ай бұрын
Or letting someone pay them to race on equal Miatas on nurburgring.
@wjspade
@wjspade 2 ай бұрын
@@HirokaAkita a single race doesn’t really prove anything. I’d love to see a race series where the best drivers in the world compete at several race tracks. They’re always in equal machinery, but each race they’re in a different type of race car. Something like this: Round 1: K1 Circuit in SKUSA shifter karts. Round 2: Laguna Seca in GT cars. Round 3: Spa Francorchamps in prototypes. Round 4: Nurburgring in Miatas. Round 5: Interlagos in F2 cars. Round 6: Daytona in stock cars. Round 7: Vargasen in rally cars. (In the snow, of course.) Round 8: Shanghai International in… Idunno, BMW M1 Procars. And so on and so forth. Hammer out the rules and points system and there ya go. The International Tournament of Racing Champions. (Trademark pending.)
@AndrewGeierMelons
@AndrewGeierMelons 2 ай бұрын
And then José-María López comes along and beats Sébastien Loëb like 9-1 in WTCR touring car racing in equal machinery... Loëb is talented but he's not the greatest ever at all Motorsports. He's just really good at bringing the car home in one piece in rally, which wins rallies and championships. I would call Loëb the smartest driver in Motorsports, right up there with Carlos Sainz Jr., but he's not a pure talent like José-María López.
@wjspade
@wjspade 2 ай бұрын
@@AndrewGeierMelons You’re absolutely spot on. That logic is precisely why I proposed a multi discipline championship series.
@AllKings
@AllKings 2 ай бұрын
"the best oval racer on the planet", in how many countries do you think oval racing is bigger than road racing? Take a guess. "the best oval racer on the planet" is essential only "best oval racer in North America" I guess it's true that Americans think the whole world revolves around them. Wake up, mate, the US is not the world. Oval racing is nothing compared to road racing in VAST MAJORITY of the planet. Being the best at oval racing requires beating MUCH FEWER drivers than it takes to be the best road racing driver.
@safiullahkhan4912
@safiullahkhan4912 2 ай бұрын
Logan Sargeant: THE GOAT
@Sliced_Bread1
@Sliced_Bread1 2 ай бұрын
More points in a Williams than Hamilton and Schumacher 🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅🦅
@sarcastically_hopeful
@sarcastically_hopeful 2 ай бұрын
nah, you forget the goatifi.
@caledonianrailway1233
@caledonianrailway1233 2 ай бұрын
More like THE GONE
@CammieRacing
@CammieRacing 2 ай бұрын
How quickly you've forgotten about Latifi.
@Eames.gc8yt
@Eames.gc8yt 2 ай бұрын
Wrong. Schumacher had more points in williams than logan
@UnknownSpectre5
@UnknownSpectre5 2 ай бұрын
I dont have an opinion on the whole Larson v Verstappen business but you make a great statement. NASCAR isn't exactly a 'racing series' persay. It's a 'management series' and that makes it unique in it's own little way. Because you can be one of the best drivers in the world, go to NASCAR then be shit at managing everything. It's a series of logistics mainly.
@taylortnt1175
@taylortnt1175 2 ай бұрын
You're confusing me...
@bwoah525
@bwoah525 2 ай бұрын
Harvick saying Kyle would be close to Max in a few days is hilarious, Larson has no experience in formula cars on a road course. Let's see how he does in a full season of Indycar or maybe even Super Formula, but even those are not equivalent to F1.
@VarishKasturi
@VarishKasturi 2 ай бұрын
Max Verstappen has no experience in oval racing, What are you on about. To me they are the same level, There are stuff Kyle Larson has never tried and things Max Verstappen has never tried.
@bwoah525
@bwoah525 Ай бұрын
@@VarishKasturi Nobody is making the argument for Verstappen on ovals, yet Harvick is making the argument for Larson on road courses, that is what I'm on about. You're not very sharp are you?
@VarishKasturi
@VarishKasturi Ай бұрын
@@bwoah525 wat
@VarishKasturi
@VarishKasturi Ай бұрын
@@bwoah525 buddy this is like 1 month ago why are you still here 💀
@Racecarlock
@Racecarlock 2 ай бұрын
In my opinion, anyone who would dismiss oval racing as "easy because you just turn left" is a casual fan posing as a hardcore fan. They don't understand how fast the drivers are going in a circle and how much forces and wear and tear are multiplied. Which is really weird, because all that stuff is also explained to them when they watch a circuit race that contains the same factors. I'd wager most of them are just repeating that one joke from some Jeff Dunham comedy show from years ago that they probably heard from another person who saw the show, and repeating it enough times for it to become a thought terminating cliche. They don't even know it doesn't make sense outside of the context of the comedy show. And isn't even that good of a joke in context.
@AllKings
@AllKings 2 ай бұрын
It's not easy as easy people make it out to be, true. But it also doesn't have nearly as much competition to get in as F1. Except for a few pay drivers, F1 drivers have had to be the best among way more drivers from way more countries than Larson has had to compete with, even with all his other disciplines combined. And Verstappen is arguably on the greatest already, so it's no easy feat to be at the level of Verstappen. I genuinely at the interviewee saying Larson would be as fast as Max in a couple of days.
@diegocraigdallie
@diegocraigdallie 2 ай бұрын
Best driver in the last 25 years... Sebastien Loeb, and the FIA denied him a superlicence 🤡
@VKrug919
@VKrug919 2 ай бұрын
If we're already ignoring that different disciplines require different skills. I'll go with the top WRC drivers over both guys as the fictional "best driver"
@ashenone3251
@ashenone3251 2 ай бұрын
Josh I'd love to see a video about Kalle Rovanperä, because I think if someone needs to be crowned the best current driver it would be him.He is incredible in WRC and he was also competitive in Porsche Cup and Formula Drift from the very start.
@ben-jam-in6941
@ben-jam-in6941 2 ай бұрын
Greatest drivers above all others don’t exist since Nicholas Latifi left the scene. I’m an American F-1 fan (pre DTS) and I also in no doubt Larson is one of those drivers who like Max can drive anything they put their minds and hearts into driving I wanna be loud and clear when I say hey Kevin Harvick just stop talking now. Those two are the best at their chosen racing series and no Larson wouldn’t be able to pick up F-1 in a couple days. Kev mustn’t have looked at the steering wheel on Max’s Red Bull or any F-1 car in the last few decades. Learning how to operate one and use the potential you have for gaining or losing lap time at your fingertips is ridiculous. If you don’t know look it up here on KZbin and people have made videos that begin to explain the things they can adjust on their wheel. I tried and erased my explanation I had on this comment because it took me rambling on until I’d typed a novel not a comment. Hey Kev just shut up if you’re clueless about a subject. I’m sure you know extraordinary amounts of stuff about Motorsports you can speak on candidly about.
@josebrito6519
@josebrito6519 2 ай бұрын
Harvick's comments just remind us of how important it is to be sober on camera
@RRaquello
@RRaquello 2 ай бұрын
Harvick is a smart guy but he's also a monumental ass hole. But I think he believes what he's saying. He's not bull shitting.
@TheJMoney427
@TheJMoney427 2 ай бұрын
The joey logano shot was a thing of beauty lol
@frederiklohr9504
@frederiklohr9504 2 ай бұрын
Kevin Harvick, I think you should stop eating glue
@tycepeterson8597
@tycepeterson8597 2 ай бұрын
As much as max wines about contact with other drivers i would love to see him run 500 laps with the intimidator
@ever55
@ever55 2 ай бұрын
him disregarding max's ability and saying that this other fella would be as good as max within days is wild.
@Motorsport-club
@Motorsport-club 2 ай бұрын
You only watch F1
@ploppyjr2373
@ploppyjr2373 2 ай бұрын
@@Motorsport-club even if that was true, that’s irrelevant because he’s right
@AllKings
@AllKings 2 ай бұрын
@@Motorsport-club There is no way in hell Larson would be as good as Max within days! You lot underestimate the level of drivers in F1. Except for very few pay drivers, all F1 drivers are damn good, they have beaten far more drivers from for more countries to get into F1 than Larson has beaten in all his disciplines combined. And Max beats these sort of drivers like it's nothing. Only US-centric people would be delusional enough to think beating a small pool of drivers would translate to beating Verstappen.
@Motorsport-club
@Motorsport-club 2 ай бұрын
@@AllKings can he beat Larson in a cup car? Am European. The cup cars are spec and f1 isn't huge, difference.
@eliasmaissour437
@eliasmaissour437 2 ай бұрын
This conversation is too subjective. There are so many different types or motorsports from GTs to prototypes, formula kart, Nascar, touring etc with so many different eras. You can't compare fangio to Lewis and you can't compare van guisburgen to estre or marciello. There are too many eras and characteristics to each category and can never be clear cut
@TehcBro
@TehcBro 2 ай бұрын
Is this even a question. NICHOLAS LATIFI
@Breakinloosems
@Breakinloosems 2 ай бұрын
🐐🐐
@HizenHerz24
@HizenHerz24 2 ай бұрын
I don't agree with Mr. Harvick. I think Max would come here and be able to run ovals and dirt really well. But I also think that Larson would be able to figure out an F1 car pretty quickly, not as fast as Harvick thinks, but both these guys are elite. And Kyle has the right to think he's the best since he's raced in a wider variety of cars, plus if you're at the top of the motorsport world you have to think you're the best.
@fist003
@fist003 2 ай бұрын
Harvick underestimate Max desire to just win
@SWDestroyer8997
@SWDestroyer8997 2 ай бұрын
Yea Larson wouldn’t be able to figure out an f1 car really quick but I don’t think max would be able to come over and run well on ovals at least I mean look at SVG he’s dominated on the road courses but is usually mid pack on the ovals in xfinity
@erikvermolen8371
@erikvermolen8371 2 ай бұрын
But that is the whole point, Larson isn't at the top of motorsport, that is F1. No matter how much the americans like to deny it.
@erikvermolen8371
@erikvermolen8371 2 ай бұрын
@@SWDestroyer8997 You do realize that a F1 car is WAY more complex than the cars you're talking about?? If there is a guy who would need time to adapt is the guy that is new to a F1 car, not the other way around, that doesn't make any sense.
@SWDestroyer8997
@SWDestroyer8997 2 ай бұрын
@@erikvermolen8371 yea I understand an f1 car is quite complex I’m just saying Verstappen wouldn’t just come over and dominate in nascar
@playfast321
@playfast321 2 ай бұрын
Remember what happened last time when the Americans didnt take a Dutchman seriously? oh yeah right Jeffrey Herlings embarrased all of them.
@pendremacherald6758
@pendremacherald6758 2 ай бұрын
Some of the Greatest Drivers of various eras: Jim Clark, John Surtees, David Pearson, Mario Andretti, Alain Prost, Sebastian Loeb, Juan Pablo Montoya, Michael Schumacher, Jimmie Johnson, Max Verstappen, Kyle Larson, and Shane Van Gisbergen.
@fairygodbrother
@fairygodbrother 2 ай бұрын
You forgot the king. Latifi
@Bowmanfan48-88
@Bowmanfan48-88 2 ай бұрын
Richard petty? Dale Earnhardt sr? Where are they? Bobby Allison? Scott bloomquist? Tony Stewart? Where are they? Good list but missing some legends also you forgot about Sebastian vettel
@michaelcobbin
@michaelcobbin 2 ай бұрын
As for Sebastian Vettel? Didn’t Daniel Ricciardo and Charles Leclerc bear Vettel in the same car.
@juanncarrizo9508
@juanncarrizo9508 2 ай бұрын
Senna? Fangio?
@Icalik
@Icalik 2 ай бұрын
What about Sebastian Ogier? The other french Sebastian who won WRC chanpionship 8 times, right after Loeb stopped winning.
@ray.shoesmith
@ray.shoesmith 2 ай бұрын
01:12 I admit to once having paid tribute to Danica Patrick...
@JetCityNinja
@JetCityNinja 2 ай бұрын
I liked her before she started talking outside of pit lane.
@vtec5862
@vtec5862 2 ай бұрын
​@@JetCityNinja I don't think you know what he means
@AllKings
@AllKings 2 ай бұрын
Ayo, what da hail
@SebastianLN
@SebastianLN 2 ай бұрын
5:48 turning right 😮
@dakinglip
@dakinglip 2 ай бұрын
This is a debate that needs to be answered on the track. It'll never happen but it would be awesome to see the best of the best racing
@taylortnt1175
@taylortnt1175 2 ай бұрын
Never say Never
@thefirely1439
@thefirely1439 2 ай бұрын
The Alonso point was great. He has proven to be a multi faceted driver. He doesn't just say it though he proves it. If Kyle wants to say that prove it to the extent he has then we can talk about him maybe being able to slightly match max😂
@xkclearly666
@xkclearly666 2 ай бұрын
Respectfully, I say Alonso is the best driver in the world. Extremely versatile man. Has won in countless equipment among many many racing series’s. The man even did a lap quicker in a stock car at COTA vs Jimmie Johnson, a 7 time NASCAR Cup champion.
@troygillum5
@troygillum5 2 ай бұрын
they were in Bahrain
@maxbalazs1361
@maxbalazs1361 2 ай бұрын
MORE NASCAR CONTENT! Let’s go!
@M_Sebastian97
@M_Sebastian97 2 ай бұрын
So every NASCAR mentioned video, there is always a dig at, Joey Logano....I don't think Josh likes him 😂😂😂
@Mrmayhembsc
@Mrmayhembsc 2 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of NASCAR, but I'm a big fan of Indycar, and what Kyle Larson did when he entered the Indy 500 was just amazing. Larson seems to win and do well in everything he drives. Red Bull wouldn't allow him to get close anyway, which is what has happened with every teammate. Also, You skiped over montoya LOL.
@Smidgebomb
@Smidgebomb Ай бұрын
Im still betting on william byron to win this years NASCAR championship
@RubyMotorsport
@RubyMotorsport 2 ай бұрын
Race of Champions was the closest we ever got to the World Cup and it was always amazing
@ThatGuyGloomy
@ThatGuyGloomy 2 ай бұрын
WE NEED AN IRL WGP
@taylortnt1175
@taylortnt1175 2 ай бұрын
I agree
@privateinformation2960
@privateinformation2960 2 ай бұрын
we do, but given its an actual world championship, its not just in the united states, like the baseball world series. which is only american.
@ZPaul_
@ZPaul_ 2 ай бұрын
We can’t really compare the skills of drivers from two completely different series. They require different disciplines. You can’t expect Larson to get in an f1 car and win. Same with Max and NASCAR.
@f.b.i2644
@f.b.i2644 2 ай бұрын
S V G
@benjaminbrockway5998
@benjaminbrockway5998 2 ай бұрын
Except Larson HAS jumped into other disciplines and done well. He was a pit road penalty away from a top 5 in the Indy 500 this year, and has a Daytona 24 win. What does Max have outside F1?
@marklittle8805
@marklittle8805 2 ай бұрын
The argument is, Larson is more likely to adapt to Max's world than Max would in Kyle's
@benjaminbrockway5998
@benjaminbrockway5998 2 ай бұрын
@@f.b.i2644 SVG had the advantage of 1) it being the first street circuit NASCAR has ever done, and 2) it being wet, a condition NASCAR does not normally race in. Change either condition, and SVG is solidly top 15.
@maxb148
@maxb148 2 ай бұрын
​@f.b.i2644 SVG on ovals is nowhere near good enough to challenge Larson or other top Nascar drivers. He is good on road courses but that is helped he raced in similar cars to the Cup cars for a year when the new Supercars came out. Next year, he likely will make the playoffs due to a road race win but unlikely to progress out if the first round due to lack of oval pace
@simonchristensen3057
@simonchristensen3057 2 ай бұрын
Well Kyle Larson has (as far as I know) only raced in national series. That's completly different from a world championship. Most serious racing drivers move to europe for a reason
@Icalik
@Icalik 2 ай бұрын
I agree. And Americans always seem to disregard that somehow
@AllKings
@AllKings 2 ай бұрын
Exactly! Americans think winning in America is the same as winning internationally. The caliber of drivers that Max beats is simply better than the caliber of drivers that Larson beats
@mitchell4745
@mitchell4745 9 күн бұрын
Max would be pretty good after a couple of years. Kyle would finish last every race after 10 years in f1
@MetikalMan
@MetikalMan 2 ай бұрын
Scot McLaughlin should very much be considered. His transition to open wheel and ovals is incredible.
@FlamesEnjoyer
@FlamesEnjoyer 2 ай бұрын
DO A CAR SWAP AT COTAAAA. Both have been there so it's as fair as u could probably get
@mikemelina7395
@mikemelina7395 2 ай бұрын
Short answer: Max Verstappen. Long answer: No way Kyle Larson is better than Max Verstappen. Right now, somewhere, Max Verstappen is working on the simulator, or participating in a race.
@chasejordan22
@chasejordan22 2 ай бұрын
Didn't watch the video? Max is great at one discipline. Larson is great at many different racing disciplines......
@taylortnt1175
@taylortnt1175 2 ай бұрын
Someone didn't watch the video
@paperplane-db8qf
@paperplane-db8qf 2 ай бұрын
@@chasejordan22In reality Max has just not bothered to try other “disciplines”. F1 drivers are the best WEC drivers. Apart from driving in Ovals and rally they would be better in anything else. There’s a reason why Schumacher and Vettel are the most successful drivers in ROC.
@chasejordan22
@chasejordan22 2 ай бұрын
@@paperplane-db8qf Well in reality.... Stepping out of your comfort zone and challenging the best people at their own game and beating them is far more impressive than saying he hasn't been bothered to try......
@foodfanatic851
@foodfanatic851 2 ай бұрын
​@paperplane-db8qf Some of the top hypercar drivers came from gt3 and other cars; laurens vanthoor, Kevin estre, Nick Nielson, Mike Conway, etc. F1 drivers do do well but they aren't head and shoulders above the rest at all. Plus, historically, F1 drivers who have gone to NASCAR or Indy haven't performed dominantly (e.g. ericcson or grosjean). That's not to say these drivers aren't skilled, but it's not the same skillset at all
@Cooe.
@Cooe. 2 ай бұрын
1:32 NASCAR is most definitely NOT the top tier of American motorsports. That'd be IndyCar. NASCAR hasn't been relevant in over a decade. 🤷
@Motorsport-club
@Motorsport-club 2 ай бұрын
Your sure? Nascar is the most popular motorsport in Amer bud
@56JKL
@56JKL 2 ай бұрын
Dude indycar viewership is atrocious… this isn’t even remotely the case. You wanna talk about irrelevance, indycar is way closer to irrelevant than NASCAR judging by its earnings, viewership, and pretty much any metric besides the Indy 500 prestige.
@Cooe.
@Cooe. 2 ай бұрын
@@56JKL Check growth figures. IndyCar is growing and has been for years. NASCAR otoh is basically in a death spiral. Viewership and fan interest has basically never been lower than it is now, with no end in sight. Also, the quality of racing in IndyCar has basically ALWAYS been higher than NASCAR regardless of viewership/money.
@56JKL
@56JKL 2 ай бұрын
@@Cooe. that’s actually not even close to true lmao. None of it. NASCAR’s lowest viewership and fan interest we in like 2016-2018 and have been climbing. Indycar viewership is way down for everything besides the Indy 500 with many races not even pulling in 1 million viewers while nascar regularly pulls in 2.5-4 million viewers for most races. Also indycar’s quality of racing has had many issues recently with many mediocre races this year.
@Cooe.
@Cooe. 2 ай бұрын
@@56JKL Keep telling yourself that NASCAR is healthy and doing well lol. 🙄
@plisskenationbackfromthede3657
@plisskenationbackfromthede3657 2 ай бұрын
We need these 2 to setup an automotive decathlon in the offseason (like the academic decathlon in billy madison lol). 10 cars, 10 disciplines, 10 tracks, 10 races. Win = 3 pts, 2nd = 1 pt with 1 pt for fast lap
@Kandimitsu
@Kandimitsu 2 ай бұрын
Respect for putting in Mattias Ekstrom in there, one of the best racing drivers I've ever seen. Fast in anything. I'd also add 2 more drivers. Kevin Estre and Rene Rast
@Eddie-ec8co
@Eddie-ec8co 2 ай бұрын
I feel people overhype F1 a bit in comparison to other series it’s not strictly the “20 best drivers” but let’s be honest there is no real debate here it’s Max verstappen.
@DanH-u3f
@DanH-u3f 2 ай бұрын
No, he's not even close to Max in a F1 car. You can't compare them in different cars.
@Isaac-of2qi
@Isaac-of2qi 2 ай бұрын
I dont know if anyone here has watched anything Max has done outside of F1. Be it sim racing or in real life but that man can drive literally anything, and adapt to anything with insane speed. I dont see at all how Larson is more adaptable simply because hes competed it more varying race formats. Max still adapts and perfects anything he drives, without having competed in those formats, thats real adaptability.
@JetCityNinja
@JetCityNinja 2 ай бұрын
To paraphrase: Max is a better driver because he can adapt in a sim and has never competed in those series’ while Larson, who actually did it and won, is the lesser? Your logic seems flawed or you made a critical typo, as the only difference is the “better driver” is one who doesn’t race IRL.
@taylortnt1175
@taylortnt1175 2 ай бұрын
Error 404 type logic
@Isaac-of2qi
@Isaac-of2qi 2 ай бұрын
@@JetCityNinja Larson has never competed in F1, I wonder why that is. Are you delusional enough to think any top team of any other motorsport wouldnt take Max Verstappen in a heartbeat if they could? Whatever your personal thoughts on the matter, ’the greatest driver in the world’ would never call themselves that, they wouldnt need to.
@paperplane-db8qf
@paperplane-db8qf 2 ай бұрын
@@JetCityNinjaMax is a better driver because he’s the best driver currently in the pinnacle of Motorsport. It doesn’t matter how other people do in some backwater racing series.
@troygillum5
@troygillum5 2 ай бұрын
@@paperplane-db8qf F1 is the pinnacle of backwater
@connorbingel7134
@connorbingel7134 2 ай бұрын
It’s the dirt community trying to make this comparison. As a nascar fan I don’t claim Larson. Instead SVG is my pick for the best
@W00000000000000
@W00000000000000 2 ай бұрын
We gonna ignore the fact Verstappen drove a Ferrari GT3 car and was up to speed in no time at all?? Come on, you can’t make a video like this and not mention that?
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