Why Rhino 8 is a Huge Deal?

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00:00 Intro
43:06 8. DarkMode UI
01:20 7. Grasshopper 2
03:54 6. AutoPlane
06:57 5. PushPull
11:06 4. _Sharp
17:32 3. Viewport performance
19:15 2. GH external file referencing
25:29 1. Shrinkwrap

[@pascalgolay1160]

Hi Geddan - thanks - 'Sharp' is 'SubDCrease' in the final, released, version of Rhino 8.

[@geddan]

Oh, my bad. So just to clarify - there's _Crease and _SubDCrease now?

[@pascalgolay1160]

@@geddan - correct, Crease is 'absolute' and works on meshes as well as SubD edges, while SubDCrease is the variable you describe in 'Sharp' and works only on SubD edges.

[@geddan]

Alright, thanks for clarifying! - I have "pinned" your correction, so that people can see it better@@pascalgolay1160

[@koomajape]

I love McNeel releasing new versions only when they have something new to publish. January will be my 25th anniversary on using it, and we are only at 8th version.

[@geddan]

Yup, this is ideal

[@Geissson]

Wouldn't mind annual versions, if they didn't make the product worse. Rhino is a rare gem

[@dermonch7959]

I use SketchUp, Blender, ArchiCAD and more but i always kinda feel at home when using Rhino. Good to see improvements coming.

[@geddan]

Yea, Rhino's somehow cozy to work with

[@kadir6411]

Same here!

[@FPChris]

Until I started using Plasticity.

[@itstimetobuild]

Great overview video. I am most excited about the Rhino tab in Ghop as it lets you bake objects with attributes natively (like layer/material/colour etc) which you had to do with Elefront /Human before. It means you can now compile Grasshopper tools that non-techy users can drop on the Rhino canvas and do pretty complex commands within Rhino.

[@geddan]

Yup, that will make more complex models much more manageable

[@krzysztofmathews738]

A very good and thorough overview of the new features. Thank you!

[@geddan]

Glad it was helpful!

[@UHStudio]

Thanks for showing some of the new features!

[@geddan]

My pleasure!

[@mohammadhosseinmoghaddsi9987]

Hi Geddan, I just wanted to say thanks for the time and energy that you put into making this content.

[@geddan]

It's my pleasure!

[@gideonbramwells]

I'm glad that Gh External Referencing is improving on the Worksession function. I've missed that work flow on Mac

[@ArtemisiaAbsintum]

The shrinkwrap tool is the one I've been waiting for for a long time. As I can see, it has an offset option that's very useful when you need to create shells or molds or something

[@geddan]

Yup exactly! This will speed up so many workflows

[@nganduongbaothien9288]

my gosh , there are such usefull functions in the new version that I 'm waiting for

[@ivangrebennikov799]

In the push pull there's an option called extrude/extent, it's a pity you did not mention that. Thanks for the video, good stuff Gediminas!

[@eliiiiiijah]

Yes! This is one of my favorite new features

[@geddan]

I'll be showcasing it in the future videos for sure. Push-pull framework requires a separate video IMO

[@joshuabeale3973]

What is difference between these two when using push/pull?

[@ivangrebennikov799]

@@joshuabeale3973 extrude extrudes face perpendicular or in the particular direction. extend tries to logically continue geometrical shape

[@amirkharrat9189]

cool add ,i am still waiting for the vray intermediate/pro video series for architecture rendering, going through professional materials and such! like you promised !

[@geddan]

"AD" assumes that I got paid for this video - this is not true. For VRay pro series - will do so, once Chaos Group asks me to do it

[@quezmar411]

A non-destructive workflow type of system would be great

[@geddan]

There is the "Record History" toggle, but it seems that no-one is using it due to poor interaction design/feedback.

[@yusra7]

these new feature are insanely good! can't wait to try it

[@geddan]

Yup, I was scared that the gap between Rhino 7 and Rhino 8 will be too little, but after looking through the changelog - that's definitely not an issue :)

[@spirit4452]

Now only if the clipping plane was natively able to be converted to sections

[@spirit4452]

Also the section styles by layer and better section tools...... great stuff for diagrams and architects along with detailed linework workflow similar to illustrator

[@geddan]

Welp there's feature #9: you can now specify what kind of hatch will be generated by the clipping plane - eother per layer or per geometry basis. So basically all concrete parts get hatched differently from metal parts

[@spirit4452]

@@geddan yup, and u can now save the section tools section as a named view and add it directly to sheets so, it just skips the entire make 2D and cleaning up part for faster submissions and annotate the dimensions directly within the layout cuz the clipped face is now real geometry as well

[@maxsterry5013]

@@geddan In a similar vein, the ability to control the linetype scale on an object level has been really helpful for me in diagramming

[@CorentinHarbelot]

Great, thx for sharing, is use Rhino everyday, this program is a masterpiece!

[@haralabospap7091]

Also another big feature is partial view clipping and hatches on sections. These two combined allows for very pretty 3D sections. Nice video though.

[@tamgaming9861]

At the end you see in shrinkwrap the hole in the hand - it hasnt copied. It just filled it. What have you to do to get this hole also? Great video btw.

[@vladguran8916]

thank you for the work! i just have one question, how did you slecet the previously selected curves at 15:36 without clicking on them ? thank you

[@geddan]

SelPrevious, or was it PreviousSelection? command (there's also a button for it in the selection tab at the top)

[@BenjaminFossati]

Is it possible to come back to the sharpening settings of one edge later after modification? Or is one time shot, and you need to remodeling it if you need to change the sharpening value? Thank you very much for the content.

[@geddan]

Yes, I believe it's fully reversible/adjustible, just like with the crease tool.

[@michaelmousa5234]

Thanks for the updates . I love rhino and vray .. although rhino still doesn't have split edge for mesh or subd yet. also in vray for grasshopper there is no input for bump map in material ..hope they solve this issues in futur.

[@geddan]

There is a (almost stable) way - DupEdge to get a curve -> SplitMeshWithCurve command.

[@michaelmousa5234]

yeah I know this method but this works with flat meshes not with meshes that has curvature like quad sphere ..it will give un- accurate result . still better than nothing 😇 Thank you helping😀

[@kilmaner]

Thank you !!

[@parametriconline]

Cool stuff!

[@augustoiglesias7468]

Hi, I am currently doing a masters in Architecture and was wondering what was the best way to do lighting in Rhino 8 for cool night renders.

[@geddan]

Either Vray for Rhino or D5 - rhino's native render engine is not up to modern archviz standarts

[@barutguray2]

i am just curious, push/pull is avaliable like 2 decade as far as i know with sketch up, why it took so long to implement it in the software? Is there some kind of code trademark or patent?

[@geddan]

Rhino is a surfacing tool primarily - which means that the workflow with the geometry is completely different. For a long time rhino developers have been focused on automotive/product design and only relatively recently have they put more effort to facilitate the needs of architects. Push-pull is primarily an architect's tool.

[@lucianolizana446]

i havea dark ui on my rhino 7, but after a lot of work customizing everything !

[@santiagoromero3475]

How do you have the background color for the render as black? I feel dumb, I've been trying to change it for the past hour or so.

[@fernandoprieto1340]

Just choose a black background on Toggle Render Settings (Right click on the blue ball render icon), open the Background tag, and select Solid Color Black

[@brunobordini7696]

This pushpull is even better than Sketchup!

[@arek2505]

Do You have problems with Osnap? In 7 it works fine for me, in 8 it is annoying to work with. I can not catch Osnaps points. Is there any hide function for it?

[@geddan]

discourse.mcneel.com/t/object-snap-grab-distance/85054 Check this one out - you can adjust how strong the snap is.

[@arek2505]

Thanks I will check this option

[@arek2505]

I tried to use Your tip but id doesn not work, I can only work with previously selected objects if I select them Osnap works

[@cikuvlogindonesia880]

Wow i like use shapr for the push pull but now i can do that on rhino nice

[@marlinderwall8873]

Can you do a video of the career and practical benefits of learning NURBS modeling?

[@geddan]

It's simpe: Anything that has to be made in real life - Nurbs. Architecture, cars, a toothbrush. Anything that only has to be rendered - mesh is fine.

so glad I don't have to custom hack a dark theme anymore, but those icons are in serious need of modernisation...

[@Muslimah2Christ]

what about jewelry ? is this like RhinoGold ? and how to work in Rhino 8 as if it is RhinoGold? is that possible?

[@aos_antos]

Did they add constraints too?

[@geddan]

Nah, midway-through they gave up and will try again for Rhino 9... not sure where's the struggle though

[@YahiyaJasem]

good video my friend

[@geddan]

Thanks!

[@capetown6018]

To be honest, I'm very disappointed. This NURBS modeling tool improves on many topics except NURBS modeling. There hasn't been a major improvement since V5 especially when it comes to Class A surfacing. The best thing was a plug-in called VSR from Autodesk, which u can use in V5 only and rhino didn't come up with anything close as good until now. There are other tools that do polygon modeling way better... Don't get me wrong. Rhino is amazing and I use it almost every day. But as a industrial designer I think rhino should focus more on it's core strength.

[@geddan]

I think the development strategy has shifted sometime during Rh6 towards "generalized modeling tool" and away from "surfacing tool" . This shift makes sense when you compare the user-base sizes of the two.

[@gibson2623]

Rhino cannot do Class -A surfacing.....at all, LOL

[@weok-doing-things]

It was always strange for me that MacOs version of rhino had dark UI for years and windows don't. Probably one of the reason why I stayed so long with them on Macs

[@geddan]

Yea, I'm glad they unified the UI and now both platforms have the same look. Will be so much easier making tutorials

[@Zombotxd]

I've just started using rhino this year and I can't believe how much 8 changes the game haha

[@geddan]

Yep, that's what McNeel does - they release new versions every 3 years or so, but the versions always have a lot of new features.

[@quezmar411]

Square pipe or custom pipe would be a dream.

[@davidthurman3963]

i am enjoying playing around push pull very blender box cutter like except accurate, and finally am enjoying no longer looking at a 34" monitor all white screen what a blinding pain.

[@mayena5735]

I used Rhino since Rhino3 but had to switch to blender a year ago and never looked back. What looks like a innovation in Rhino like the PushPull command, is still so clunky compared to live Boolean modifiers in Blender that you can just change anytime you want and everything live updates. The only thing I use Rhino for these days is converting polygons to Nurbs when a client asks for a step file.

[@izoyt]

yep, we need more sketchup/solidwors/fusion360 usability..

[@KrisztinaPednekar-uk8qj]

Cannot import any image. Tried everything, picture frame, background bitmap, even grasshopper image import it shuts down Rhino. What’s going on????

[@fernandoprieto1340]

Could be a bad file, wrong format or too big image file. Have you tried a small .jpg or .png?

[@raffaelleobino9040]

Is it possible to connect it with Nvidia Omniverse already?

[@geddan]

I've seen live-link style connection videos for past two years now, so I assume it's possible with Rh7 as well

[@Matamjid68]

Push/pull 😂 thieves 😅 oh my dear sketchup😢

[@geddan]

In my opinion - that's the best way to develop - look at what the competition has that's regarded as "good" and then implement it to your own product. This applies to video games, architectural design, running a hotel AND also software development.

[@quezmar411]

⁠​⁠@@geddanpush pull is standard 3d modeling now. All programs have a version of it today. Sketchup is pretty much dead in terms of adding new features. It’s the same program (for like last 6 years. less if after the loss of google earth)

[@52Quantum]

I have only played with Rhino a bit. The only thing that's stopped me is lack of constraints. I'm assuming that didn't make it to this version?

[@geddan]

Yea, the development got pushed to Rhino 9 WIP it seems

[@52Quantum]

@@geddan Thought so. I will have a long wait then!

[@jeppeoppegaard7799]

Can you still export a geometry to twinmotion In rhino8

[@geddan]

yes, there;s a live link.

[@jeppeoppegaard7799]

@@geddan cant do it. it wont work with rhino 8. think it only works with 7?

[@geddan]

@@jeppeoppegaard7799 Ah yea, it might be that datasmith plugin is still not ready for Rhino 8. Give them a few weeks to catch up with the new version :) It will work eventually. www.twinmotion.com/en-US/plugins/rhino

[@xxxxxx-pq5el]

and fillets still doesn't work correct I recomend to use Plasticity 3D

[@geddan]

Different ways on calculating fillets. Unfair to say that Rhino way "doesn't work". But I agree - for Filleting - Plasticity is much more pleasant to work with!

[@fernandoprieto1340]

Also Fusion 360, better algoritms for fillets and chamfers

[@khalatelomara]

As I have been using 3ds max for 15 years then transferred to blender , rhino seems wants to get into the grind 😮, most of these features does exist in blender , but this a curve based so … push and pull with rhino 🎉 ? That’s a big big deal finally I may try it right

[@geddan]

Give it a try! 90 day free trial is nice. Generally speaking - Rhino is kinda pleasant to work with.. hard to explain why.

[@rajendrameena150]

What happened to constraint development ???

[@geddan]

It's been cut from Rhino 8 and will hopefully be re-introduced in Rhino 9 WIP sometime next year

[@eriksmith5898]

Crap, that was the one I was hoping for. The only one. (I use developable surfaces/curves for 98% and things like gumbal gives me nightmares.)

[@avryptickle]

I’m moving over from SU because of this version. I really hate Trimble, and this addressed most of the things I think SU does better or at least easier, but this is actually better than push pull in SU. I’ve always liked rhino more than VWX, but rhino was just too different for me to get into. I honestly mostly used it for 2D to clean up the terrible vectors coming out of SU. But, this seals it. Grasshopper also sounds cool as shit.

[@geddan]

Oh welcome aboard!

[@volodymyr6530]

I stuck on the 6 version. In my work I will probably never use subD, but some basic instruments like fillet edges or shell don't work also in 8 version. This isn't funny.

[@manuel.camelo]

Glorious 👁️👃👁️🙏

[@geddan]

👁 👃 👁

[@eltamarindo]

I'm so happy that you can finally apply weights to subdiv creases _Sharp / _SubDCrease. --Just like Maya and XSI had 20 years ago!

[@geddan]

20 more years and we'll have a timeline for keyframed animations!

[@paolofurani]

You missed the Render Engine update!

[@geddan]

Honestly, after testing it out - I'm not so sure what was updated with the Cycles renderer. I'll cover it once there's even a minimal GH integration.

[@paolofurani]

@geddan You can check the web page, as you know here I can't link anything that is not related to KZbin or Google. Quote:"Rhino Render works as a real-time raytraced display mode, so you get fast feedback on your material, texture, and lighting choices. For “final” renders, work in a dedicated rendering window with access to post effects like fog, glare, and depth-of-field."

[@geddan]

@@paolofurani When Rhino 7 came out I did a video on the Cycles render engine used in Rhino: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqjRe3-VaMx8Zqs , doesn't seem like a lot of improvements have been made. But since I really really want to be proven wrong (I'm cheering for Rhino to have a good default render engine) - I'll dig deeper into what improvements have been made. If there's something worth-wile - I'll do a dedicated video.

[@ahmetalpergultekin]

they released it 1 month after that I purchased rhino 7. I mean I am glad that I have such an amazing software like Rhino 7 but damn lol

[@fjuvo]

Same...

[@geddan]

Ah, I feel ya... Before purchase, always always check how developed the WIP/Alpha-testing version is. Not just for Rhino, but generally speaking for all software.

[@1ceman2008]

I've been waiting 9 months to purchase for that very reason.

[@ddontyy]

Isn't the upgrade free though? Or do you literally have to buy each version seperately?

[@1ceman2008]

@@ddontyy no there is a fee to upgrade from 7 to 8. However if 8 has an update (8.1) would be free. At least till 9 comes out.

[@yeknommonkey]

Send a bit crashy on my Mac compared to super stable v7

[@geddan]

New releases are always less stable than the old ones. Give it a month or so.

[@danielcardona771]

Almost 12 years using rhino, i love it, but someday, not too far away i will move to plasticity+blender.

[@andyk3310]

THUMBS UP TO PUSH&PULL

[@retiredyoutubeguy4269]

Love your videos but don’t like music playing in the background. I find it distracting. Just my opinion. I really enjoy your grasshopper videos.

[@aissamdijil]

Rhino lost to power dimension a like inventor Rhino mecanical lost we need this menus

[@goge-]

Some decades more and we will end up with green letters and white keyboard, nice for me.

[@lambda3374]

Had to set speed to 1.25 this could help maybe

[@geddan]

2x speed or no balls.

[@bel5978]

Still no linux…

[@ilyalukyanov7434]

Sketchup suck up!

[@consig1iere294]

Using Rhino now is like using Winrar over 7-Zip.

[@geddan]

weirdest analogy

[@ianmcwilliams1275]

For those of you who don’t want to pay for rhino 8 blender has the ability to close meshes for you, took me about a ~(12 hours) day to learn how to use but it’s great if that’s all you want to do and more importantly it’s freee, I still think shrink wrap is an amazing tool for more interesting design outcomes, look forward to diving in

[@geddan]

With a hourly rate of 30USD/h , 12 hours spent becomes 360 USD. For students - it makes sense, since the hourly rate is 0 USD either way,, but for professionals in the design industry - getting something that simply works is quite valuable.

[@error-4518]

I don't understand why people keep comparing rhino and blender, totally different software for different purposes. I wouldn't use rhino for subd work (even if it can do it), but for accurate modelling rhinos is much better than blender, if only for the fact that it is nurbs based (no need to fight inaccurate polygons). Been using rhino for few years and blender over 10.

[@jippee1]

Still looks like it was made in 1993 and probably still works exactly as it does. Horribly and unoptimised

[@geddan]

I disagree. How modern the UI looks only appeals to people who spend more time looking at the UI than their own model. Also compared to other Nurbs/Solid-based software - Rhino performance is "fine".

[@jippee1]

@@geddan I think you're missing the point. Look at modern UI. They make sure that central to the software is modeelling so you spend more time looking at your canvas than have 1000 buttons, menus within menus blocking your interface, different styled context menus, different behaviors of commands. Every button opens another type of menu. Context menus have double information. Title bar menus are the exact same as icon buttons. It's overly complex and needs to be reduced and standardised. There are 100 different types of menus in rhino that all lead to the same thing which in my oppinion is not at all modern day standards.

[@geddan]

@@jippee1 Yea, having less visual clutter would be nice. With that being said - it's a dangerous game to play. "Unclutter" things too much and you'll have a minimalist UI with a million "click here for more options" / "click here for advanced options" buttons.

[@davidthurman3963]

i just have my space mouse enterprise set up with radial menus customized. Seems kind of basic tool everyone should have if they are doing cad cam.

[@geddan]

@@davidthurman3963 Yea, if you're heavily specialized in one field, working on the same PC - then spacemouse with proper customized UI is really nice. For me - I have to jump between so many computers (university teacher + architect + youtuber) that keeping everything as default as possible actually is beneficial.

[@RhinoTimelaps]

bad update. Very bad. Look at plasticity: This tool have NICE PATCH TOOL. But it's still younger then Rhino. That is, as the developers claim, this program is good at solving plasticity(i mean about rhino). I have been using Rhino for a year now, or even more than Plasticity. And I have a feeling that the developers are not even in a hurry to do something good for their software. Over the last 10 years they've added a couple of funny features that you don't use often. It would be better to make something like xnurbs, which, it seems to me, is much more important for designing and visualizing complex things.

[@RhinoTimelaps]

And what struck me most was the response from the developers when I asked what they would do with the tools for surfaces that they have now, whether there would be updates to the patch tool, because... it is simply impossible to use it. They told me that they would not develop this. Well done. What else to say.

[@geddan]

Best thing to do in this case is to move on to Plasticity. People moving away to "Software B" due to lack of development of "Software A" is the most affective way to get developers to listen. This of course only works if there's a noticeable portion of the userbase that would leave. Cool portal gun video!