Why Rich Eisen Is STILL Stunned by the Panthers Benching Bryce Young | The Rich Eisen Show

[@Jmurda1983]

Bryce Young has set short kings back 20 years

[@unc54]

They're definitely going to set like a Bryce Young floor in draft evaluations where if a QB is a certain height they need to have another amazing physical characteristic to offset that. For example Kyler has a great arm and is one of the best runners in the game.

[@JohnClarkW]

@@unc54 even Kyler has missed a lot of games, he missed 3 in 2021, 6 in 2022, and 9 in 2023. So in the last 3 years, he has missed 18 games.

[@SadfoxGuyver]

@@JohnClarkWKyler is an world-class Athlete.

[@JohnClarkW]

@@SadfoxGuyver great, this is the NFL, they are all world-class athletes. Kyler has missed more than 1/3 of his games in the last three years. Burrow has missed fewer games in the last three years.

[@infamouskent7243]

Kyler is hooping tho

[@Gaffy05]

As a panthers fan this is the first decision that has been made in 3 years that was in the interest of winning football games.

[@unc54]

Also firing Frank Reich.

[@jaliel0007]

Big facts bro they're acting like he's shown flashes and great potential he's been nothing but mediocre ever since he's got here

[@igotthis33]

@@unc54Nah Reich deserved better. Tepper literally overrode his desire to pick Stroud and traded away for the lesser of the two top picks

[@unc54]

@@igotthis33 That never happened dude. The local beat writers, who hate Tepper, debunked that and said everyone in that building wanted Bryce. Also, why are we pretending that Frank Reich hasn't made bad QB decisions? Remember when he convinced the Colts to trade for Wentz?

[@ryanblosser6081]

Wentz was 9th in QBR for Indy. Until Reich is on a lie detector test, I don't believe what writers said. Football people that know Reich insist that he prefers larger QBs so it's hard to belive he would advocate for literally the smallest one.

[@Woollenlotus81]

If this surprised you, you havent been watching the games. Bryce cant complete a pass even when the recievers are wide open

[@carrite]

..........very much like Russell Wilson, without the arm.

[@CalebsCars]

Rich doesn’t watch anything, he’s told what to say

[@andrewmoluf4299]

That sack he took after they got that turnover was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. He’s just not good enough to start

[@Cigarmusic81]

Most nationals “experts” haven’t been. They keep repeating themselves on all networks basing this off the past few seasons. Canales and Morgan get a clean slate in my book and if Young isn’t their guy then move on. But stop with all the lazy analysis, “They have no OLine , no weapons for him, blah blah blah. They invested $100 million in that OLine and it’s working so far.

[@pjthornton220]

@@andrewmoluf4299your the greatest scout good job

[@davidpowers6918]

Why are you guys so suprised? You haven't seen Bryce's play over the last year and the first two games this year?

[@Mikerotch1287]

We aren’t suprised he has failed but we definitely aren’t blaming him lol no one is gonna win for that dumpster of a franchise 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jordanjmdjmd74]

​@Mikerotch1287 Lol, that's bs, dude can't play anywhere

[@unc54]

@@Mikerotch1287 So what are you going to say when Dalton looks much better with the same team?

[@luckymango1963]

@@Mikerotch1287 5th best pass blocking so far this year and yet hes been historically terrible with no pressure in his face. Hes looked AWFUL so far even with one of the better route runners in the league in Diontae Johnson

[@jaliel0007]

​@@unc54that's the same thing I keep asking everyone and I never get a response LOL

[@guibblegabble1280]

This is called picking a narrative and running. Anyone who has actually watched the games know this is the right move

[@dimitrikontos3554]

Idk why everyone’s shocked. The kid didn’t attempt a pass beyond 7 yards Sunday. Theres a bad game and there is what that was. You cannot put that on the field on Sundays.

[@Kube_Dog]

Maybe he can punt.

[@Podzillla9012]

Offends the lord

[@ternbug100]

Who was Bryce throwing to?

[@BillJones-gi7po]

@@ternbug100 naaa he has receivers don’t play that lol DJ Thielen and Leggette are not scrubs

[@dimitrikontos3554]

@@ternbug100 it’s not who he’s throwing to. It’s about the film. Go watch it. It may make you look a little bit more intelligent on here.

[@toddsing]

Canales "I looked at the film" said twice. I have seen it too. Bryce has so many problems - footwork, pre and post snap reads, overthrown passes, poor decision making. I don't think he is even a project at this point.

[@Drewswaggy]

It’s gets an amplified because he’s on the panthers. Yes, he’s bad. But being on the panthers makes it look completely terrible z

[@anon7684]

He's not even a 3rd string backup

[@pjthornton220]

Your a great scout 👍 😂

[@Slxckshoota12]

The team is bad as a whole too to bottom and if he’s soooo bad why was he rated so high? If he was so terrible why not coach him up. In the words of Mile Tomlin “If you are a good coach, you coach him up”

[@beingandtime]

@@Slxckshoota12because he has regressed following a complete offseason of being coached up and the offense can’t function with him out there.

[@BillMac]

Bryce was Tepper's pick over CJ, Now he sees that Bryce on the field isn't the guy who can do it. He loved Bryce the person more than picking Bryce the football player. The more Bryce is on the field, the more Tepper sees just how badly HIS decision is turning out to be.

[@sheltonguy539]

People need to realize this isn’t Canales QB he didn’t draft him

[@JeffreyMarcon]

your math is wrong, other way around

[@jimmcewen9351]

Exactly, he and Morgan had this planned before they even got there. When Bryce gets away from the worst organization and receiver room in the league he’ll be fine, Stroud would’ve sucked in that sinkhole

[@sheltonguy539]

@@JeffreyMarcon Reich drafted him quit talking

[@JeffreyMarcon]

@@sheltonguy539 sorry I lose track of all of panthers head coaches. Your right, next year they should draft whatever qb the new head coach wants so he can develope him. They should break the 4 win threshold by 2027

[@Rick-rb3nk]

“Qb whisperer” but Bryce looks extremely worse than last year lol

[@electriclott]

We can feel bad for the guy while also realizing he is not a starting QB in this league.

[@Kube_Dog]

No need to feel bad.

[@drhexagonapus]

Most people aren't starting QBs, its not the end of the world. He's still making decent money

[@miker9825]

Yep. I also saw a QB having a breakdown realizing NFL is way different than his Bama games.

[@REALJayDOTWill]

It's actually hard to tell whether he's a starter, because the Panthers are horrible. The worst part is, no one is looking at Bryce having three coaching staffs in 18 games.

[@REALJayDOTWill]

It's actually hard to tell whether he's a starter, because the Panthers are horrible. The worst part is, no one is looking at Bryce having three coaching staffs in 18 games.

[@dougpirko211]

The Panthers can escape the Sunk Cost Fallacy. Rich, it seems, can't. It doesn't matter how expensive he *was*.

[@Rubideux]

Yeah I don't understand why he keeps going on about what they gave up. Yeah they gave up a lot but the kid has been absolutely terrible, missing wide open receiver's on a 10 yard throw. I've watched all the games and he hasn't progressed one bit. He has been worse this season and that's with a much improved OLine and better receiving options.

[@Gungho73]

@@Rubideux Yeah if he ends up putting the franchise further back because you keep trying to get players to make him the guy, for schemes that will be thrown away 2-3 years time when they move on from him, you've effectively damaged those players futures too and bury your franchise at the bottom of a parity driven league. I will always respect a team going look. Rosen as another example or Young is clearly not the guy or isn't right now. Lets not sacrifice our teams future trying to placate peoples ego.

[@TerrenceButler-fc9uu]

@@Rubideux Them types, treasure treasure above all else - no surprises here that 'one of those' would be focused on the money part - he can't play, period.

[@curqo9485]

@@Rubideux He had all the time in the world to throw last week, and I feel like rookie Bryce would at least throw for 150, and a 1, maybe 2 picks, but he's actually regressed. Somehow, it's actually possible to get even worse than he was last year.

[@Donz01]

exactly. look at what the 9ers gave up for Trey Lance, nobody talks about that because Purdy fell into their lap, but Shanahan was smart enough to move on and not dwell on the sunk cost

[@JKSSubstandard]

All I'll say, is Josh Allen has said his time on the bench injured his rookie year was the best thing for him.

[@mtndude96]

Josh Allen is also 6'5" 240 😂

[@curqo9485]

@@mtndude96 Who can run a 4..45 with pads, and can toss linebackers off him like their rag dolls. Josh also has stupidly good deep ball accuracy. Bryce is a skinny midget who is closer to being half Josh's weight than being the same weight, can't run as fast, isn't as strong, has no throw power, and can't short, intermediate or deep passes, even when they're open.

[@Kube_Dog]

But Josh Allen has talent, drive, focus and brains. Bryce Pudding has goober hair.

[@zman3434]

Josh Allen has otherworldly talents

[@trevor3575]

Bryce young has literally nothing. No talent, weak arm, not mobile, small. No clue what anyone saw in him but he’s absolutely terrible. He’s hit his ceiling. He’ll never be good

[@frontier556]

@5:32 Or, and hear me out, Canales is a professional and supports his guys publicly 100% until a decision is final and made. No speculation from the media needed, they've got enough problems.

[@sauldula]

Or the owner knows sunk cost theory

[@33moneyball]

Yes….we know how it works. The problem is you get exposed as a total phony the next day.

[@carrite]

........"HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS"......... That's the key phrase.

[@JJDW-ku8yf]

I don’t get why all the talking heads are stunned and / or angry about benching Bryce. This team was on a disaster course. Something had to be done. Bryce looks beyond lost on the field.

[@MrHunterbg]

Because most media heads are idiots.

[@matthewlupton1539]

Well because it's still only been 2 games and like he was saying they put so much into him that this could potentially ruin that whole relationship before anything really got started... he's been awful for sure but if you're gonna try to build a team around him then might as well give it a bit longer

[@Jay-r6s1i]

I think it's moreso of what the Panthers gave up than anything else. One would think the Panthers would exhaust all avenues before making this decision. Having said that, Young is overwhelmed physically and most importantly mentally. Quarterback is the one position you have to be mentally strong in order to be successful. Young is a prime example of someone who needs to sit at least 2 years. He needs to bulk up and get more reps in practice the and preseason.

[@Slxckshoota12]

If he regressed from college thats bad coaching. GM and coaches should be looked at for their jobs for ruining potential that they gave up so much capital for

[@JJDW-ku8yf]

@@Slxckshoota12 they fired them already.

[@sleepyjoeb.8726]

What should be stunning is that Bryce Young was drafted number one overall.

[@ryanblosser6081]

Bryce should probably be happy about this. He's done in Carolina and so I suspect the only team that would pick him up is a team that wants him and can either a) use him or b) develop him. Bryce isn't developing in Carolina. Not saying he'll be great but at least he has a chance elsewhere.

[@scottygehlbach3081]

If I’m Miami I’d pick him up

[@ryanblosser6081]

His comp is probably Tua but 3 inches shorter with slightly more ability. He's not a top flight QB but a competent team with the right pieces can probably win quite a few games with him.

[@ada443]

@@ryanblosser6081 More ability than Tua!? You must be smoking rocks, Bryce can't even get 200 yards or throw a go route

[@ryanblosser6081]

Because he is in a bad situation. Remember how Sam Darnold saw ghosts? Bryce is seeing ghosts. That's what happens to lots of very young QBs in bad situations. You think if Tua was drafted now to Carolina he'd be any good? Carolina has the worst non QB offense in the league.

[@Spoofaged]

​@@ada443these people don't even watch the games smdh.. Bryce is a great dude but damn he is not an NFL qb

[@COMMONsenseAdvocate86]

As a Chargers fan who got his first full game view of Bryce Young on Sunday. My only thought about this situation and hearing people like Rich in the industry saying how surprising it is: OBVIOUSLY RIch hasn't really watched the dude play! He has no business being on that field, period. It's so unfortunate seeing a guys life long dream BLOW UP in real time. But seriously, he looks like a boy among MEN.

[@brandonrice1124]

Exactly all the media is saying this bs he was terrible you can't stick with a player like that trust me us panther fans are very pleased with this move.

[@reginaedmondson9114]

Sad, but true.

[@victorbernard1256]

At least he got first pick money, but I doubt he’ll get a second contract. He’ll be doing car commercials and selling insurance in Tuscaloosa. If he’s lucky he can get a broadcasting job in a few years. I wish him luck, I know he’s a good kid. Just not an NFL talent.

[@JerJoGo]

Sometimes you gamble and lose and just accept the losses before you lose more.

[@otisbongwater7384]

As a 50 year Bears fan , we all feel your pain on first round Quarterbacks

[@acllhes]

Way to admit you don’t watch games. Bryce won’t throw the ball anywhere beyond 3 yards. If you only watch one play against the chargers go look at 4th and 18. Thats how it was the entire game.

[@AielWolf]

The problem is that 2 years ago, 32 scouts looked at an overrated, undersized system QB and said "oh yeah, that kid has talent"

[@georgealvarez1195]

This kid needed to be treated the way the Pirates treated Paul Skenes. Bryce had "sit on the bench behind a vet for 3 years" written all over him

[@PHOENIXQ2024]

This has nothing to do with him. This organization has. Been QB purgatory for years! Cam Newton broke his damn body keeping them relevant.

[@monkeeee]

I must be missing the sarcasm bc this comment makes zero sense

[@Non-actor]

yeah, those are completely different sports and trends man.

[@JohnStockton7459]

So everybody wanna be the packers now 😂

[@kenny8378]

@@JohnStockton7459well tbf we have a winning track record in going from HoFer to HoFer to pretty damn talented kid

[@TodayIFoundSomethingShiney]

Chase Daniels explained really well why he was benched. The tape dont lie, Bryce has happy feet, doesnt trust his line, and isnt seeing the field

[@jordandennis6794]

Bryce Young sucks

[@haroldsfishingadventures754]

​@@jordandennis6794he absolutely sucks

[@MattK9548]

It took Terry Bradshaw almost 5 yrs to round into form. Took the Steelers to 4 SB's. Jim McMahon? 3 yrs. Jim Kelly? 6 yrs. John Elway? 3 yrs. Brett Favre? 3 yrs. Teams just don't have patience anymore.

[@Spoofaged]

None of those guys were as bad as Bryce. He can't complete a pass over 5 yards, he doesn't have very good arm strength, he doesn't have height to see over the line. The top of his helmet is literally at his o linemen's name plates lol. And a crucial thing he lacks is drive. There's no kinda spark in him to ignite his teammates and get em pumped to play with him. In fact, his teammates have given up on him for being so bad. So to put him in the same paragraph as any of those guys is a huge injustice to a handful of legends that each had something going for them like big arms, prototype size, a will to win lol.. not just that they won in college on a stacked team. I get what you're saying, but i haven't seen anything from Bryce that would ever make me think he'd be in the same category with any of those guys even in 5 years.

[@thebaron16]

Plain and simple, 5'10" 190 should NEVER have been chosen that high. If he had not played at Alabama, he was a 2nd round pick at best!

[@mt_baldwin]

Sunk cost fallacy. Everyone bringing up how much has been invested in Bryce Young as a reason to keep giving him chances is falling into it. He has shown zero improvement and even regression in almost every area. Yes you should give a QB 3 years if, ok I-F, he's showing improvement from game to game, season to season. This does not mean keep giving a QB regressing 3 years worth of chances and hope a miracle happens.

[@Spoofaged]

Jack Plummer sucked game 1, got better game 2, balled out game 3 in the pre season. That improvement to me should put him at qb2 behind Dalton for a season or 2. Bryce is just not the guy. Everyone banging on the entire offense but without a qb that can complete a pass over 2 yards, teams can stack the box and crush the run game.

[@jordandennis6794]

Bryce Young sucked in his first game, and looks even worse than that, a year later.

[@logang7778]

Do you actually watch the games Rich?

[@curqo9485]

None of these people do. Don't act surprised.

[@jordandennis6794]

None. They only read headlines and box scores

[@dustinjohnson7191]

Kyler can't be compared. Kyler is a very good nfl level athlete and QB, and thick. Bryce is the size of a highschool sophomore, he's little

[@DaveMuday]

Right now Bryce couldn't play dead in a spaghetti western

[@343Films]

*Part* of the lesson here has to be that when evaluating QBs coming out of college, you have to consider their skill position / o-line teammates _and_ the strength (/weakness) of their opponents. This isn't the full story by any means (Young might look 2x better with Detroit or Houston's weapons), but I think it's safe to say that Bryce's success at Alabama hinged very significantly on his teammates/Saban's system.

[@navidsapir3419]

It helps but didn’t stroud have that too? And I don’t watch a ton of college but I watched quite a bit of Bryce and he had all the intangibles and accuracy and feel. He has touch on his passes, can layer the ball, anticipation. I knew he would be limited because of his size (weight being even more a worry than height) but I didn’t see this. He actually looks broken to me. Personally I don’t think that’s the players around him made him “look better” but I do think he’s lost a lot of his confidence for sure

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

In fairness, playing in the SEC for three years should count for something regarding preparation for the NFL. I guess not.

[@LdyVder]

There is no key to evaluating anyone especially QBs. Mental is 90% of the game and that is something no one can evaluate because that is an unknown. Find five QBs that played under Saban who played well in the NFL. There are three great in the NFL QBs who played at Alabama and those guys played in the 1950s and 1960s. Those QB were Bart Starr, Joe Namath, and Kenny Stabler.

[@joeking433]

Too small. When you're that small you'd better be great!

[@Swagalious689]

Rookies and most vets will struggle if you put then on a team with a bad system and crap roster.

[@jaytor15]

Problem isn't that Bryce is short like Kyler Murray or Russell Wilson. The problem is he's short AND small. He's only 180!

[@Flushest_Saucer]

Bryce Young hasn't proved that he can make an NFL throw. So the whole Carolina Panthers team (that have family and careers of their own) need to sacrifice their time in hopes that Bryce young can do something, maybe some day? There's 52 other players on the team. Not to mention coaches. Just to remind you.

[@XXsupervisor]

From a GM perspective, Bryce is now just trade capital waiting for a team that is desperate for a QB due to injury. This is probably the best way to keep his value up because more bad tape will hurt his value.

[@TheForbidden_1ne]

They should send him to MIA.

[@Paul-717]

Very desperate

[@hostiletoxictomdowneyburne6469]

Idk how any QB could have success the way Carolina is currently run.

[@WerdUp13]

Top 5 OL through 2 weeks and a HC with a system known for helping salvage Geno Smith and Baker. I'm pretty sure Andy Dalton is about to look good on Sunday. If Andy Dalton can look good, other QBs definitely can.

[@my95buick]

Ask Daniel Jones about that

[@rockethead5705]

​@@WerdUp13 Andy Dalton is not going to look good on Sunday

[@Slhazzard]

They got him weapons, loaded up on o-line, brought in good coaches. We might have to accept the fact that Bryce is just not meant for the NFL .

[@kerley1323]

​@@WerdUp13Not a top 5 OL. 25th ranked passblock winrate and 28th ranked runblock winrate, per ESPN analytics

[@kylehern5132]

People assume that Dave Canales went to Carolina to revive Bryce Young, but MAYBE he's there to revive Andy Dalton, even if this wasn't the plan.

[@ZacharyJohnG]

The fact that he said “I’d like to keep that private” tells me Tepper helped pull the plug on Bryce

[@jordandennis6794]

Tepper gave him the okay. I bet Dave talked to him that day

[@Thrashman-ye4cf]

He saw those two dollar tickets and immediately said, “Alright, I’ve had enough” lol

[@jonreedart]

There's a good chance they benched him to protect him. If you look that lost out there, there's a greater risk of injury.

[@ryanblosser6081]

No they benched him because Tepper put in the call. He's not playing again unless he is needed. The coach didn't "change his mind" after watching the tape

[@sanjaygopal627]

Benching is not surprising. Bryce is not all enough - he almost is not visible when surrounded by the larger O-line guys in the huddle. When a QB is picked number 1 overall, he is expected to really perform in a team that has some element of talent such as the Panthers. Also the overall issue with Carolina is that there is no accountability, and due to the changes in coaching and management personel not one can be help accountable this year.

[@curqo9485]

I like this take. I personally think Bryce didn't need to be great or even good this last or the next. He just needed to show promise, but when you can't even throw for 100 yards when you're pressured on only 4 of your drop backs, as a second year player, then you're just not an NFL caliber QB. When you're getting outplayed by fossils like Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, and no bodies like Tommy Cutlets, as a #1 overall pick, you have a problem.

[@mikepuncsak7297]

Chris Brockman said a mouthful when he said The Carolina Panthers aren't a well enough run organization to fix Bryce Young .

[@haroldsfishingadventures754]

Number 1 pick needs to be fixed? Sounds bad to me

[@DeepRest420]

Dude was a rock star QB since he was very young. Did nothing but succeed and win while being lauded the whole time. He hasn't really dealt with adversity on the football field till he got to the league. Went from always having one of the best supporting casts possible to one of the worst. Any talent and "intangibles" that got him to the NFL are currently being buried by his seeming loss of confidence.

[@jordandennis6794]

Yep. His first taste of adversary he cracked and fell apart.

[@jeremyharper1704]

Bryce Young to the Dolphins 🙌

[@lukeyb5099]

Even if Bryce isn’t good, this whole situation is Teppers fault

[@St.CrimsonTweets]

In the visits leading up to the Draft, you could see a stark difference in the interactions the coaching staff had with Bryce and CJ, including the QB Coach (name slipping my mind) telling CJ "we'll have to find a court in Charlotte to play HORSE". They didnt want Bryce, Mrs. Tepper wanted Bryce, the football guys wanted CJ.

[@BobK58]

I'm surprised he lasted this long.

[@carrite]

Bryce Young is no Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning. Anyone who has ever seen him play knows that.

[@curqo9485]

Most of these people that support Bryce have never seen him play at Carolina. They just think that, because Carolina has Tepper that he had no shot to begin with, but the roster is improved over last year. Andy played great in this same offense last year, this same offense without Canales, without the people they added in the offseason. And still showed more than game than Bryce has shown in 16+ games.

[@Kube_Dog]

I was gonna say "He's not even a [worst QB in the league]" but I couldn't come up with a name... because it's him.

[@reginaldjoshua5649]

Peyton Manning struggled early in his career. He had 28 interceptions his rookie year.

[@peterstewart7332]

@@reginaldjoshua5649 And 3,739 yards, and 26 TDs.

[@curqo9485]

@@reginaldjoshua5649 But he also threw 27tds. Even if you add Bryce's touchdowns and interceptions together, he would still have thrown less touchdowns than Peyton in his rookie year. Bryce also had 11 fumbles in his rookie year, which took Peyton 3 years to surpass that number.

[@one277]

It's not when you get drafted, it's where you go when drafted

[@St.CrimsonTweets]

18 Games in, and the kid is an absolute dumpster fire here. Sunken costs are mounting, cut your losses, and move on. He was the least pressured QB of week 2 and couldn't throw over 90 yards, and again, this is his 18th game, not his 2nd. He'd be better playing for a veteran coach who can bring whatever skill everyone else saw up. I was a CJ Stroud bandwagoner back at draft time, and I have been proven right all along. This is the right call, Young is not the man for the job in Carolina. 2 coaches couldn't produce with him, but I recall Andy Dalton in Seattle, week 3 2023, had this team looking competent.

[@mitchcarter3906]

Andy Dalton threw for 361 yards in his lone start Young’s last 4 starts 84, 161, 94, and 112

[@Cigarmusic81]

Now we know why Bryce didn’t play in preseason. Canales saw it early and tried to hide him but he could no longer do it

[@40EastTrill]

I was thinking the same thing. Then throw him in against some back ups and practice squad players so he will look better.

[@shep3205]

He can’t be fixed. They got it wrong and most of the media for it wrong. Cj was the obvious best player. Media and top team got it wrong again this year. Daniels was the obvious best pick. Most people suck at removing hype for talent at the qb position.

[@shep3205]

Best qb coming out this year is Ewers. He won’t go first because of media hype of guys like Sanders or Ward. But Ewers is the best QB

[@Schwizzzz]

Literally watch his NFL tape and you’ll wonder how he was drafted at all

[@petrolbiker]

Jets with Darnold und Zach Wilson. Forgotten Rich?

[@CokeZorro]

If we're only gonna give rookies 1 season and boot em out the door, we are never going to go back to a league full of elite QBs. This kid deserves a chance at a real franchise

[@LdyVder]

Even when the league had just 18 teams there were never 18 elite QBs.

[@francoismoreau5321]

I don't think a "real" franchise would take him. Unless Carolina trades him to KC has an under study to Mahomes. That may work. The talent is there. The desire maybe not so much at this point.

[@carlito_148]

False, patience is needed with young QBs there will be peaks and valleys. Short, skinny weak is never gonna be one of the best 15 QBs in the world. Young sucks plain and simple. College player like that OC from Boise State. Great college player. Not a NFL talent

[@343Films]

@@francoismoreau5321 Miami might as a medium-term investment if Tua is out

[@vknight7497]

NFL teams need to stop trying to start rookie QBs and instead sit them for a year and develop them because colleges aren't doing it these days.

[@TimJohnston911]

I don’t think this was Tepper’s decision. Canales hadn’t seen the tape on Sunday night but after watching it it was obvious. Watch the tape. Canales has a whole team to develop. Xavier Legette, Jonathon Brooks, and Ja’Tavion Sanders need to develop. This isn’t the Bryce Young Panthers. He needs to sit and watch for this year and maybe next year he’s ready to take a step.

[@Spoofaged]

100% this. Coddling a failed pet project of the owners wife is going to cost him the rest of the team and his job. Bryce has a ton of flaws in his game that i personally don't see being fixed in 3 years much less 1. I'd rather see Plummer out there than Bryce. At least in his 3 games he got better each outing and can complete a pass over 3 yards

[@manifestyourlife7]

You could see some of his teammates during the game throwing their hands in the air like WTF. I'm sure Canales can read the locker room.

[@francoismoreau5321]

I think the veterans on the team voiced their displeasure with the direction the offense was taking. The defensive unit should not be espected tp play 50 minutes of the game while the offense is three and out.

[@TomyBlack-en6vx]

They should have let him sit behind a vet for a year or two.That is why the Packers have great QBS because they let them sit and learn.

[@deadkodo]

Just being first overall doesn’t mean they have to start especially with rookie salary caps. Most of the great quarterbacks sat for a while and learned how to QB in the NFL

[@reyfiallo1267]

It’s the media’s fault for hyping up this kid so much. Every one said he will be great and everyone is silent. Same happen to Tua

[@stevenbellah5728]

Since the 1990 NFL draft, only TWO out of the 22 quarterbacks drafted with the #1 overall pick have won a Super Bowl with the team that drafted them - Peyton Manning and Eli Manning. (Colts - SB XLI / Giants - SB XLII and XLVII)

[@mortished]

True and looking back at Peyton's first year with a terrible Colts team his numbers were worse than Bryce's (56,7 % vs 59.8 in completion and 71.2 eval vs 73.7 ... and just check Eli's number in his first 2 seasons ...) ... so in today's world Peyton, loose his job in year 2, never win a sb or go to the hof ... this is definitely on the Panthers not the player(s)

[@sjc4]

this short memory and attention span nfl fans have is astonishing. i hope bryce succeeds on another team, much like darnold is.

[@beforethestorm7544]

Me too cause are team n (owner x1000) is the blame too it ain't all Bryce fault lmao

[@micahmartin4762]

Yeah you weren’t in the stadium on Sunday. The QB play was demoralizing and I sat right in front of Tepper’s booth. He was getting an earful from the fans about the QB situation.

[@runswithfeathers47]

Watching Bryce play this year, Canales had zero choice. It was either sit him down or the locker room would have imploded 3 games into being a head coach

[@openminded4751]

I hate that it’s completely possible that Chicago was just calling around about their #1 pick to test the waters and Tepper got in his mind that he could finagle his way into a first overall pick with no idea who the GM, or Coaches wanted at 1, then his wife liked Bryce and they ignored all the scouts. It’s just a possibility but still sad that it’s even considered as that.

[@ada443]

JT Osullivan and Chase Daniel have both done the game film on him, I suggest people actually watch that rather than listen to these people who aren't watching the games. Bryce is the problem, he has a top 10 oline and a decent receiving core

[@kerley1323]

Top 10 OL? They rank 25th and 28th in passblock and runblock winrate, respectively. Just because they spent money doesn't mean it's working

[@curtisfletcher5142]

​@@kerley1323He got pressured 4 times on Sunday. Their o line is much improved. Dude can't quarterback in the NFL. Watch the gametape

[@curqo9485]

@@curtisfletcher5142 Exactly. These dudes that defend Bryce haven't watched a single Panthers game last year, or this year. They just look at stats and the situations and assume it tells the whole story. It fucking doesn't. Watching him attempt to throw a football gives me gives. I swear to god, a high school fenmon could probably throw better passes in the NFL than Bryce.

[@limitedbom2206]

@@kerley1323 The stats came out, the panthers were 5th in clean pocket rate (only behind the jets, bucs, falcons, and dolphins). It's not the o-lines fault in terms of pass block.

[@conor2439]

Bryce Young is an extremely undersized system QB who does not have anywhere near the generational athletic skills of someone like a Michael Vick or Kyler Murray to overcome his severe physical shortcomings to be successful playing the most difficult position in professional sports.

[@hatuletoh]

"I've never seen a team do that, benching a quarterback 18 games in." And as a Jets fan, your team SHOULD have benched it's #2 overall drafted qb 18 games in. Or eight games in. Maybe eight quarters in.

[@mitchellvang2691]

To give up so much compensation for a #1 pick and then give up on him after only 18 games. That is not Young's fault, that's on the management

[@carterware9389]

go watch the film and tell me one trait of bryces game you think looks good

[@anon7684]

It's both

[@joeking433]

There's a chance he'll be a Darnold or a Mayfield but probably more likely a Trey Lance or Josh Rosen or Jamarcus Russell or Zack Wilson. There's far more QB's who fail than succeed.

[@curqo9485]

You're still under the impression the Panthers did this because Bryce can't win. They did this because in 18 games, he averages a completion percentage of less than 60, 5 yards per attempt, and has a QBR of 30 last year, an QBR of 9 this year. Wanna know what the worst bust in NFL had, at his worst, as a QBR rating? A 19.A fucking 19. At Jamarcus Russel's worst, he still had a QBR better than Bryce's horrid 9, and it was barely worse than his rookie year 30. Bryce is a bust, but the Panthers organization suck even more for trading so much to pick him in the first place.

[@kimblandino]

​@joeking433 At least Zach Wilson has moments and games where his talent flashes.

[@lukeward1714]

People are acting like a first round pick has never turned out to be a bust. People also don’t seem to understand the sunk cost principle. All you can do is focus on the future, and if it’s not Bryce Young, there’s no point in playing him.

[@GrayMoe]

I am a Panthers fan and I say let him play. The team is awful. It's not just Bryce Young. Let Young get his reps in.

[@haroldsfishingadventures754]

Qb is the most important position. Without a good qb, the offense is going to suck

[@TheTlewis3074]

Sorry, but Bryce is just not that good. His arm is not that strong, he's not that accurate, does not get rid of the ball quickly and not that good with his legs, plus he's too small.

[@Kube_Dog]

Everything about him is sub-par, especially the hair.

[@Paul-717]

Is there anything else? 😅

[@Paul-717]

Is there anything left? 😅

[@allenboyer2207]

The Markelle Fultz moment of the NFL

[@williambrackin]

I saw one of two victories Bryce led the Panthers to. I happened to be in Charlotte for the Famous Toastery Bowl the next day, and after finishing up at the NASCAR hall of fame, convinced my Dad to walk the mile and see the Panthers and Falcons play. It was cold and raining, but we are football guys. I hopped on Ticketmaster and we both got in right behind the bench for a combined $4.87. While it was raining, both QBs were fairly incompetent in Bryce Young and Desmond Ridder. Bryce made fewer mistakes, but Carolina never scored a touchdown and they didn’t lead until time expired on the game winning field goal. Final score 9-7.

[@Kube_Dog]

I was at that game and paid $52. But I got to sit on the bench with the O line. I was the guy in the bright orange cap.

[@joeking433]

The fans and the team has given up on Bryce and once that happens it's all over.

[@gandalfspeaks64]

Impetuous- adjective- acting or done quickly and without thought or care. "her friend was headstrong and impetuous" Thanks Rich and the crew, I learned a new word today.

[@davidlawrence8051]

If you watch the way bryce played in college, he stood far back behind his offensive line so he could see over it. In. College, his line was literally aligned and nobody broke through it. In The NFL you have a pocket. The edge rushers get pushed around you. And if you run backwards, you get sacked. That's why they call the phrase standing tall in the pocket. So you can see over the o line.

[@diablorojo1999]

You are wrong Rich. Troy Aikman was benched during his rookie year and replaced by Steve Walsh. As a matter of fact, Walsh was the QB that got Dallas' lone victory during the 1989 season, not Aikman

[@Garrettblunt]

Guys it’s the right move. It is over for Bryce young in Carolina

[@icnn3]

Why am i hoping for chaos…Dalton get hurts and Bryce back in at halftime lol

[@WerdUp13]

If that happens Cam Newton is coming out of the tunnel like Stone Cold at half time. He is going to put the stunner on BY then go rush for 3 TDs.

[@deviouslaw]

​@@WerdUp13time for a camback 😂

[@jarrettcranston2431]

Rich is answering his own questions. If we’re talking about “fixing” the first overall pick 18 games into his career, then he was the wrong pick.

[@eddiehardin33]

The locker room revolted after Sunday’s game, Rich

[@traviswalters2345]

I’ve been a Carolina fan for my whole life and I for one am mad that they benched Bryce. Not because I think he’s any good but because with Bryce starting we will continue to lose and give us the best shot at the #1 overall pick. Darnold might actually win some games. Additionally, Bryce “could” figure it out or suck terribly but either way we find out what kind of player we actually have. Terrible decision to bench. The coach is just trying to save his job.

[@RubexCube1]

Coach has a 6 year deal. He's not going anywhere. Bryce was playing so bad it made it impossible to evaluate the rest of the roster.

[@joeking433]

Darnold?

[@joeking433]

Darnold?

[@Kube_Dog]

Has Darnold been traded from the Vikings?

[@CaseyWinehouse]

Darnold?

[@THORSMEOWMEOW]

The media is making me laugh. We get dogged on about drafting a short QB, and when we bench him to clear his head, we get blasted for not playing him!

[@Gr8estspySterlingArcher]

GREAT TAKE Rich!!! Panthers fans hope he can sit and learn being red rocket for a year and then boom year three the light switch comes on best case scenario I can imagine

[@garybrown5391]

People are confusing what Rich is saying he is surprised by. It's not that Bryce isn't good. He literally said he was bad. He is surprised at the number 1 draft picked being benched so fast. The number of games total. Hence, why he referenced the other quarterbacks, draft capital, and talent they gave up just to move off Bryce so quickly. That's his point.

[@MrDblum619]

Bro been covering the league longer than I've been alive, and he's surprised by this decision? What have you been watching?

[@haroldsfishingadventures754]

It's entertainment man, not reality

[@ckSport3000]

By the end.. Young was looking shell shocked and just going through the motions. He was getting worse! This was justified.. and Dalton gives them a chance.

[@shibity]

You can just see it with quarterbacks. The results don't necessarily align at first, but when they've got "it" you can tell. I think too many teams linger on misses simply because of the draft commitment, and they throw away 5 years in the process.

[@512metro]

IMO benching him was absolutely the correct move, because he has to find a way to get out of his own head and back to playing with some semblance of confidence. However, for all the reasons Rich brought up, it cannot be a permanent switch, unless Young just quits or by some miracle Dalton has them leading the division. They need 3, 4 games. Sit and learn, work on the headspace and the footwork, then get back in there and let's see what you can do.

[@EnthusiasticLock-hn4qp]

I live in Charlotte, the issue is…who’s gonna make the number one pick for our team next year? Coach…gm….owner? We don’t trust any of them anymore. If we miss on the next first pick, then what? There’s no light at the end of the tunnel. We are scared the team is gonna move bc it’s such a train wreck

[@danielbalboa4537]

Goes to show you Nick Saban was a football genius

[@nail1255]

Every top QB gonna be threatening Panthers not to draft them next year. Most unstable owner in sports.

[@scawfan75]

When has Alabama ever been known as an NFL QB factory?

[@vbdavis]

Are we still “stunned”?

[@davidbates8002]

I am a bit confused about this situation. Why has it taken the coaches 18 games to decide to bench him? Seems the owner is telling the coaches who to play and not letting the coaches coach. Or is it the other way the coaches are terrible also?

[@40EastTrill]

This is a different coach from last year. It only took him 2 games 😂

[@MorganAppleby]

It’s more than just Bryce young, they could be sitting on DJ Moore, Christian McCaffrey, Brian Burns, Jaycee Horn, Derrick Brown and others and have a good roster. They’ve blown it at every trade opportunity

[@geoffsimpkins7650]

Watching that game on Sunday, this kid was so overmatched and his team had no chance to stay in the game with him in the game. Overmatched.

[@timothybush8640]

Eyes ! Look at him. What else are you supposed to do??

[@francoismoreau5321]

I think fan attendence at home games played a part in it as well.