Why salty vets want invisibility removed from Planetside 2

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[@RadialTemporal]

The problem is you often die before they even de-cloak on your screen. They need to adjust the timing if its possible

[@Garlan4]

That would take a massive server improvment that DBG can't afford. Ironically that would also fix a bunch of other problems like hit-detections that would omprove the feel of the game

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

There is a slight delay after uncloaking that prevents you from firing, but due to server latency, it feels like there isnt one to the player on the recieving end. Server latency combined with 200+ ping players make it so they never uncloak on the targets screen. Some people will even go out of their way to use Chineese VPNs and play on US servers just to abuse cloak and ambusher jumpjets.

[@oscar1375]

I have never killed ayone before i became😮uncloaked!

[@Garlan4]

@@oscar1375 from your perspective it cant happen. It's a server issue: on your screen everything is fine; but from the others perspective you often get shooted but a still invisible infiltrator that pops only after the shot

[@jakewebb7995]

Make infils watch an AD for each cloak.

[@user-id7bw3yi4z]

Bro, they can 1 hit People before decloaking from the other Point of view

[@redtsun67]

Literally saw a guy just yesterday talking about how he thought cloak should only be replenished by going to an equipment terminal and resupplying. Cloak can be annoying for sure, but it doesn't need to be nerfed to that extreme or removed from the game outright. My two cents is that the developers should add dark light deployables to the game, similar to the hardlight canopy or the ordinance dampener, that project a darklight field in a radius that reveals any infiltrators inside. I would also like to see dark lights integrated into bases in ways that make it more difficult for infiltrators to run around the entire base completely undetected.

[@Lockdown22]

that was me that mentioned that and its not how you think i said it lmao. also adding darklight deployables would be just as broken as you said my claim would be as there would be one every 10 feet lighting up the whole base + the darklight bug.

[@zakadams762]

Wow it was lock down 22 the whole time 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@killer30556]

TBF I returned to the game recently and convinced some friends to play too. they stopped playing after a few days because of how annoying infills are. especially when fighting the VS in which case the majority of them seem to pick infil. There just not fun to play against. I am also considering stopping for the same reason. there way too sweaty about it too, just annoying.

[@JAYM0RE]

If all “good players” mained infil for like a month straight I guarantee you that your opinion will change on whether or not they should be nerfed

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Aside from spam in Nason tunnels, bolting is best kpm for infantry

[@abotaccount6094]

If all "good players" mained infil, you would stop logging in after 3 days of dying to cqc snipers who can actually aim

[@JAYM0RE]

yes bro thats what i mean@@abotaccount6094

[@paleopteryx]

@JAYM0RE EXACTLY!

[@paleopteryx]

@@abotaccount6094 noob

[@deadaces7949]

It won't ever be removed, it's an integral part of the game. That's like saying 'shall we remove the jetpack form the light assult because he can fly and no one else can'!

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

no one complains about jetpacks. just being shot in the back of the head by ghosts

[@noble_lemon]

What about nerfing?

[@Geekknight777]

I just dont like how infiltrator just has a button that negates forward thinking and positioning

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

lmao

[@NuBFiX]

I have a different experience on class distribution, if theres 10 enemies theres at least 4 infils.

[@LeonardoSantos-kx4zy]

And 5 heavys

[@Ignisium]

Cloak should stay but get rid of ability to have high alpha damage weapons paired with it

[@1roxyfan491]

agree on the first part disagree on the second part.

[@pinorska6316]

They should at least have a longer delay before you can fire after decloaking

[@CDNinEGY]

just remove short range scopes for sniper rifles to stop the CQC bolters and increase the time to aim down scope on sniper guns

[@deffington6627]

I'm against invisibility mechanics in all games. In all games heroes/classes have their own roles. Role of invisible class is only to be annoying to others. Literally to troll the others, to make them feel bad. But specifically in Planetside, some problems have been described: clientside making infil snipe or get first shots before target even see it decloak. What you haven't described is how graphic settings affects the effectivity of cloak. Is it okay if you don't have ANY visual on stalker until it moves?

[@MK-rc3pq]

My main problem is that you have an option "decloak on fire". You dont need to decloak and then fire, you can just fire...thats BS in my opinion. I just need that gone for good. Im fine with cloakers, since often enough i switched on overshield, wiggled around and was able to kill people who should have killed me :)

[@JosephVeee]

Rockets fired by heavy assault need to travel faster. It makes infantry nearly irrelevant fighting tanks past 40 meters all while they're pulling off sniper style shots with AP rounds... totally fair. Average RPG type rocket travels 300 m/s, not 50 like they do in game. Shoulder fired AA missles such as stingers are going 750+ m/s, not 175 like they do in game. It took me 30 seconds on google to figure that out YEARS ago, where the actual fuck do they get their logic from?

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

games often have slower rockets - they think them being realistic is overpowered against vehicles

[@lolthegrandpa]

@Zealous: 0:48 Infils are not a problem, but Bolting is? An SMG infil camping cloaked in a corner ghostcapping that just shoots you in the back is not only annoying - it's unbalanced because of the TTK even if you turn around and throw bullets directly into the opponents head after you hear the uncloak sound - you are dead. There only needs to be ONE infil to cap a base as the timers and pop hud on the map are broken since a year or so and if one is looking it up alone or with one or two allies the chances are high that they still loose the base. In over a decade of experience playing PS2 as a below average player I can tell you this: Infils are a big problem, because it requires no skill to play them at all. You will get your kills with ease. The class should be nerfed to 1/3 of their healthpool and the decloak time needs to be increased so that "CQC Bolting" is not a problem anymore, maybe give them more speed so they can flee faster as trade. Or: give the class only snipers which takes 3 seconds to shoot another round and a pistol: So you will have a complete "stealth class" as it should be IMHO which requires a lot of skill as it really needs to be played stealthy. Additional thought: let them take over enemy tanks, planes and boats which are not manned. This would be a fun and fair feature for the class. Sorry for the long text but the infiltrator class really makes me vomit on every session I play. TLTR: Infils need definitely to be nerfed or revised, as they are way to unbalanced, have no real impact on big battles but annoy vets and are frustrating to new players too. thenotlol aka lolthegrandpa - I am a bad salty vet I guess -

[@-.sy.5367]

I quit the game because of SMG infiltrator. I won't ever play this game until its heavily nerfed. I'm not a salty vet, indeed im kinda in the casual player category. Also I'm mad when people say: "just nerf sniper infil". My 90% of death vs infil was SMG. Idk if these players who makes these comments are playing the same game or just infil SMG mains...

[@null643]

There's a reason it's the most talked about topic on steam forum right now. It was annoying to me as a new player and still is annoying to me now after 200 hours not counting the launcher outside of steam. I can see why players quit because of it, just too frustrating. You explained it well.

[@paquibotlouis6455]

@@null643 same too me i quit this dog ass game

[@patlecat]

Yes complete invisibility is absurd and should be removed! Otherwise I agree with you.

[@CDNinEGY]

they've never been completely invisible

[@patlecat]

@@CDNinEGYyeah right

[@CDNinEGY]

@@patlecat if they are completely invisible, how do I see them all the time and likewise, how do I get seen and killed while completely motionless with deep operative implant which provides 75% more invisibility? And how can something be 75% more invisible if it's already completely invisible? They've never been completely invisible.

[@patlecat]

@@CDNinEGYi dont see with your eyes nor do you see with the eyes of those who shoot you. but i sometimes don't see them at all, then they pop up in front of me. Or in the distance it's even worse. Sniping doesn't need invisibility.

[@CDNinEGY]

@@patlecat that's a matter of opinion. I don't see the problem with it as I don't often get killed by snipers. My only point of contention is your claim that they are completely invisible which they are not and never have been. Not gonna get into a whole big argument about whether or not we have different eyesight. Just stating the fact that they are still visible if you know what to look for

[@theDemolisher13]

There's a lot of things I want to say but honestly if I give it any more serious thought I feel like most of the game's problems just vanish if we do an update roll back to 2019-2020 right before the bastion update. Just say it was a bad dream and use what you learned from that to move forward remember what worked and what failed. It won't be perfect but it was fairly stable compared to where they are now.

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

you do realize that the game hasn't been this dead since just before Escalation, when the bastions were added? Personally, I've hated every update since then (including Escalation), with the exception Arsenal. In a way I agree with you, but I just think its ironic you would roll back the servers due to the current low player count to exactly when the game was its lowest player count.

[@theDemolisher13]

@@ThexLastxUchiha I've been here since 2018 then left the game this past may all the while keeping an eye on the player base via through steamdb (I know it's not the true number but it's close enough) I would bring it to the bastion update but I despise the bastion and it's lack of counters furthermore I didn't like how it broke communities up as very few got to drive the shiny new toy. I always thought them doing that in 2020 was one of the stupidest moves I've seen a game studio do. We need more inclusive content for the game the brings players together not exclusive content that has them fight each other over who can use it. Anyways yeah that update was another low point for the game but it was overall in a better position then where the current game lies. They just really don't want to undo Wrel's hard work cause they have no vision themselves on where to take it.

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

@@theDemolisher13 I agree with you 100%. Even though it brought massive players numbers, I always saw the bastion as a placebo that would wear off as soon as players realized it was only something they would be farmed by and never get to use themselves. I've refused to join any outfit since Escalation because the war assets (mainly bastions and pocket orbitals) not only caused a conflict of interests amongst outfits within a faction, it also caused drama within the outfits themselves. When I said it was ironic that you picked the exact moment in this games history where the population was the lowest, I meant it as an insult to what Wrel has done since taking the lead developer position. Besides Arsenal update, everything else has been complete shit. Now that the population gained from the bastion placebo effect has died off, we're back to when the game was dead poplutaion wise with even shittier mechanics. Fortification was the nail in the coffin for me, and a catalyst for the player decline. With many updates still on the 2022 roadmap, developement was postponed for Outfit Wars. Then, without any feedback from players, they launched a massive over-nerf to construction that caused all construction players to quit. So much time and resources were wasted on an over-haul that nobody benefited from or even asked for.

[@sillybilly121212]

Love this idea

[@Djrealfake]

They're going to have to make a new game but they won't because I don't think they have any money and pragmatically speaking PlanetSide 2 has been dead its whole life.

[@treycantrell6857]

It needs a little tweak but that’s it. Cloaking is super disgustingly op right now but it’s not game breaking.

[@dajuanmoten7278]

Id like for them to bring back and revert some of the spawn logistics i feel like itll solve a bulk of the issues with vehicles also i like osha the problem is that everyone wants to play thengame like sci-fi cod and and the dame ppl complain that the game is borning or the say o we dont have any new bases

[@amanosama7884]

I stopped playing the game for some years but I loved the construction system but now I feel it being just Orbital Strike speedrun and the modules are sooo limited now, I even payed for some modules they deleted so yeah, my money is gone now xD

[@RolandTechnicalDesigner]

I really miss (was removed few updates ago) the medic passive heal in vehicle that could repair maxes D: Absolutely addicted to playing medic flash especially in big battles can get quite a lot of xp in the perfect scenarios

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

Triage was removed? Pretty sure it's a bug. The skill tree still exists allowing you to level it up.

[@RolandTechnicalDesigner]

@@ThexLastxUchiha Maybe affects maxes only if they are inside the vehicle now

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

@@RolandTechnicalDesigner according to the skill tree its still says it heal all friendlies within 5m. certain its just a bug. dont worry though, they fix it in about a week to three years lol

[@RolandTechnicalDesigner]

@@ThexLastxUchiha It works! It must have bugged the time I had tried it couple weeks ago

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

@@RolandTechnicalDesigner I didnt test in live play, but VR training. doesnt work there for some reason.

[@namd3]

loose the 4x scopes from infil, if you don't change the infiltration cloak mechanics

[@nikushim6665]

Lol who needs a 4x scope, short range BSAR's, scouts and Battle rifles are a thing my dude most cases they run with a 3.4 or less. Infils standing way off in Narnia with a x8 are usually the least threat.

[@stuartpatterson1617]

The map changes are a must!

[@Bmoney98]

Yeah becoming transparent is op not getting 450 extra health or 20% damage resistance

[@Luluchan00]

It is. A bad player playing heavy is easier to kill than a bad player playing virtually everything else.

[@travispenner3048]

If you’re smg infiltrator I’m convinced you’ve never met a girl in real life

[@PAL3Tigerrr]

It's so good not playing PS2 🎉

[@fluxvenom8737]

remove medic.. they can revive other players 😂💀

[@zakadams762]

Good content

[@MajinStrach]

More fool them for not having flashlights or potato settings! Stupid "vets" need to adjust to the already set in stone game mechanics.

[@EquilibriumAlchemist]

The other one is the AMR "shouldn't do damage to vehicles" ive seen people complain about it, the one complaining died by it 4 times.

[@theyiffystick4663]

i for sure don't want it removed but i sure as hell don't think infiltrators should ads while cloaked with a sniper or dmr

[@1roxyfan491]

why? it's been a part of the game since the start.

[@theyiffystick4663]

@@1roxyfan491 blacklight did it and it was balanced then, when in cloak you have situational advantage ie element of surprise

[@paquibotlouis6455]

@@1roxyfan491 thats why is a dead game

[@1roxyfan491]

@@paquibotlouis6455 no not really

[@1roxyfan491]

@@paquibotlouis6455 the game is not dead

[@M_R.b]

Doesnt make sense , skills should be rewarded

[@jinxclaessen1544]

ive also never met anyone who enjoys getting oneshot from invisibility sooo XD and we should just try no invis ( at all)) for like a month or so just to see how it is..

[@IexoPeoa]

I like Oshur, and underwater combat on Oshur, but I will say it could use some work. Regular guns should, at the very least, be nerfed more underwater, and vice versa, to encourage dedicated underwater loadouts, and the same for MAXes. There also need to be some dedicated underwater heavy weapons, like torpedo launchers, to counter vehicles, as the only recourse against, say, a deployed sunderer or Galaxy, or even a Galaxy flying through and bulldozing people, is an extremely skilled C4 plant by light assault, and they can't carry enough to actually kill it. Dedicated underwater weapons for MAXes could be neat, too.

[@strikeforce1500]

I am saying this as an old PS4 player, with both The Executive, the Moonshot, and I was close of getting the Aurax armor for infiltrator. Look, cloakers can be annoying, we can agree on that, with that said,its already a class that is somewhat of a glass cannon,even more than LA. And let's say Infiltator looses the cloak, what do you replace it with?. Like,legit, what do you give it?.

[@paquibotlouis6455]

i would say camouflage

[@Bmoney98]

​@paquibotlouis6455 that's what cloak is it's active camouflage

[@Bmoney98]

More health and maybe x-ray vision

[@HeckingLoser]

Invisibility is just utterly terrible. I'm not a particularly good player, and I spend so much time sitting on the respawn screen because I can't ever hope to win a 1v1 with a veteran infiltrator who just showed up out of nowhere at the most inconvenient moment possible and one-tapped me in the head before they'd even rendered in. It happens rarely though, right? Lately it feels like it happens every five seconds in every fight. Invisible rats all over the place looking to farm kills. There I am, just wanting to chill a bit slightly back from the frontline and have some fun for once and there they are, because I'm in their game, not the other way around. They can't get rid of it because people have dumped money and hours into it. It's a permanent problem. If they nerf it, the entire Vanu playerbase will probably start crying or something. There's so much fun in head-to-head firefights and engagements until the shadow man in the corner or on that one rock a thousand meters away you didn't even see presses his left mouse button. They don't actually get that many kills, yes. However, playing against them FEELS terrible. That's the problem. It's a class that can do far too many things all at once. Also the darklight is useless at revealing them.

[@siramira4183]

Its alread disgusted and will never be gone which is ok i like it now that the base lights spot infiltrators aswell as lights from ur vehicle which is probably a bug but still nice i hope we keep the baselight thingy❤

[@TruthBlackheart]

This video is all over the place. What does the capture the flag mechanic have to do with infl invisibility? You bounced around so many topics my old ass couldn’t keep up.

[@syrphilipgulmatico5352]

Cloak is fine... But cloak with a sniper rifle is a big no

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

cloak on the little ATV is also a no - running people over and shooting

[@efraim3364]

this is a dead horse, stop beating it

[@ZealousVidya]

the game or this topic?

[@PervyAutomaton]

@@ZealousVidya both

[@efraim3364]

@@ZealousVidya if cloaking should be removed, its been a subject since day 1

[@PervyAutomaton]

@@efraim3364 Nc maxes did get nerfed after many years, and maxes also got a nerf overall.

[@mrdoomman97]

Making it an item that you have to have in your hands to fix basically every issue with cloak for 99% of players

[@CDNinEGY]

yeah because then no one would use infiltrators

[@l.ignasio7326]

ppl complain about invisibility, then talk about A2G weapons? some ppl outthere has 3,4+ KD with just A2G/Hesh when their infantry K/D barely 1.

[@HardlyGaming]

As it should be, they've used resources to pull a vehicle to do that. Why do so many people not understand this?!

[@TheHuffur]

@@HardlyGaming Because I can use resources to pull a specially designed anti-aircraft vehicle(Skyguard) and it sucks balls for what it is. There is nothing in the game as specialized as a Skyguard but its still BAD at its main job but after a decade I have kind of gotten used to being treated as a lower class citizen if I am playing anything on the ground.

[@Term8r]

The resources that you get for free you mean?

[@l.ignasio7326]

@@HardlyGaming resource? u know u just need to spent 5m gather cortium and u can spam Air for 30~60m right? and to counter that we have to spent 350 nanites just for AA max or skyguard which is risky and painful. And the funny fking part is once u get a AA that A2G go to another fight, u basicly wasted 350 nanites.

[@HardlyGaming]

@@l.ignasio7326 Erm.. you realise lock ons are by far the best AA? I've literally never had an issue with A2G farmers at a base because I actively work against them. I pull AA, find a nice spot and fire lock ons at them until they F off. This is the problem, no-one takes it upon themselves to actually stop the air, they're too focused on shooting as that's simple and easy to do.

[@matejvojak1858]

i enjoy capture the flag, but for real, i like it

[@Jarred-J254]

The same salty players wanting cloak nerfed or entirely removed are the same ones that caused MAX revives to get removed.

[@BrainBurnStudios]

Just copy-paste the sundy garages and the problem with shity sundy spawns is solved...

[@goranstoja]

Harassar gameplay has been dead for a long time too that needs to be fixed. Oshur open on weekends when we have pop is a good idea. Oshur opening on low pop lait at night is sooo bad gameplay I just log off. Infil needs some time restriction to use his ability as we have on flashes.

[@CDNinEGY]

infils have time restrictions just like the flash

[@goranstoja]

@@CDNinEGY not restriction how much u can stay in clocke but deley when u declocke in flesh and shoot u cannot clocke again for 3s

[@Dexiefy]

Within first minute you exactly show and tell why it should be addressed(or rather should have been considering game is on its way to the grave). Specifically 0:21 - tell me this player enjoyed this encounter. He passed you by without seeing you cause crouching infil, especially at night, is basically fucking invisible. He also does not seem like experienced player either. You want to tell me he was not pissed at this after he died? Or is he this veteran player you constantly speak of? Then at 0:53 you invalidate anything you might want to say afterwards. You basically are saying that garbage infil should be able to punish more experienced and skilled player who knows how to position himself, knows the map, knows the game, expects certain flow of battle etc... Cause that is the way shit works, right? Great players being beaten by garbage players solely because of 1 game mechanic... Yeah, sounds like great design. You could present this argument to someone who never played PS2 and they would call it shit. Then you proceed onto saying how infiltrator is meant to be played... Dude, its a class name... Very much inspired by Starcraft's ghosts and during ps2 release there was no smg's in the game in the first place and infiltrators were snipers with a different name mostly because they could hack terminals. Ability which was given to them because engineers could already do too much. To sum up, you are just typical infil who tries to feel better about himself by pretending that non sniper infil takes any kind of skill in this game. That being said, removal of cloak was never 'necessary' - shit players also need a way to get some kills. However there should be 3-5 seconds cd on cloak so when you decloak you get punished for it if you are not decloaking at the right time. None of this is relevant anymore though cause PS2 is basically done and devs have shown again and again they cannot identify and fix core game design issues and shit like oshur is more important.

[@tartaros3]

HA:SmgInfil rate 10:1? Please show me that server where this is true. Those I know (Emerald, Miller) have that more like 3:1.

[@ZealousVidya]

I'm saying at the top of the fisu page, the top 15 players at any given time like 10 of them will be heavies

[@NuBFiX]

@@ZealousVidya yeah top players are sweaty heavies which I guess should be the case because they're on the frontlines the most but the amount of people playing infiltrator is kind of disgusting. Been getting the infiltrator mission almost daily now and I don't consider myself any good at the game but when playing infiltrator I sure do win way too many fights that I shouldn't be. (not trying to be negative towards you, appreciate all the work you put into the video's.)

[@bigmango202]

good players are gonna keep farming until you get good and most of the time infils are just overzealous in their invisibility and run around like they dont have a shimmer and at that point its not like they can shoot back, the cqc bolting is pretty broken with cloak though

[@michaelleza3291]

Yes. Sadly it won't so I won't bother playing.

[@williamgoyette517]

Remove all the cloak but stalker cloak, then give stalker a ton of buffs like silent q spots

[@fragelicious]

Salty vets should have no problem seeing them, so I wouldn't call these vets salty' at all.

[@kassiepovinelli2881]

Bolt sniper? Nah, I regularly get 25+ kill streaks with the default nso sniper (semi-auto) at medium (even somewhat close) range. Usually win 1v1s vs heavies as well. There really isn't a comparison for me to other classes for aggressive play, especially with the recon. I will admit that the combo (especially the cloak) makes me overpowered.

[@Jay91YT]

im new and i think infiltrators are frustrating and i hate them

[@0BLACKESTFUN0]

i think maybe reduce duration or implement a mechanic, where you have a certain volume of cloak, wich you need to refil via killing people, otherwise it depletes .^^

[@vedrisca]

If Infils MUST get a change, I'd rather them follow interesting design decisions like quick de/cloak for shorter duration or slow de/cloak for longer duration that cater to certain playstyles (the former for CQB infils / defensive infils; the latter for sniping / hacking infils) with clear use cases instead of ambiguous mechanics like Stalker cloak (potentially infinite, but can't commute quickly) vs. Nano-Armor cloak (lends itself to streaky gameplay with vampire + survivalist / carapace and a power knife). Would be much easier to support both long-ranged and CQ niches that way instead of saying "Infils SHOULD play CQ flanks".

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

The only issue I have with infils is the amount of stalkers there are. Even friendly stalkers are annoying to have. They intentionally bait their team mates into unsuspected engagements to vulture the kill. The ability should be restricted to only platoon leads with at least 24 people under their command. Never really had a problem with bolters since it still takes some skill to consistantly land head shots on moving targets. However, as someone who abuses it themself, Infravision should not work with infils let alone bolt-action snipers. The ability to instantly spot your targets at 150 meters drastically increases your cloak economy. Before infravision you would consume a large portion of your cloak just to find a target, which was typically a moving one. Now non-moving targets are glowing, allowing you to line-up the easiest of headshots.

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

the only reason i go infil is to detect other damn infils with the sensor dart. im not a sweat or a salt but infils annoy me the most. like why are you playing this class other than to be like ... a cowardly ghost appearing to stab and smg others or just appear to snipe because they're a degen lol. they should be more visible at least. the cloak is too good. add more blur even while stationary. why do i have to gimp myself by having to put a darklight attachment to a side arm or even use a side arm to deal with them or put a darklight on my main gun wasting a accessory slot. or if i do none of those things then im forced to ignore that they exist or i have to use infiltrator myself. this is why this class is so stupid appealing to said degen type of person. just add it to the list of reasons this game is dying. ive seen clips of you playing infil, taking out numerous players before you're taken out. so you're one of these said degens and you're trying to defend this class because you play it and like it

[@MIKEHONCHOYOU]

this guys seems silly hey

[@snackhazard]

Salty vets? Nooooooooo players that have been here for 10 years know wtf we gotta do bud, salty noobs maybe baby.

[@Aaptronym]

I'm sorry but literally nobody enjoys being killed by some invisible fucker that was sitting in a corner or even the cloaker that is 300m away that you couldnt see even if he was visible. Not saying it needs to be removed but it should be looked at. An infiltrator should take damage over time when cloaked or something.

[@mrtchicc6837]

Im playing since 2014 and I heard a lot of stupid ideas just like: remove cloak, change NC 200damage weapons to 160 damage, remove heavy shield, remove bolt snipers, change meta guns the worst part is that comments are not from newbies but from veterans too

[@dude3278]

Nah just remove the ability to carry other primary weapons other than a sniper.

[@axlandgamer3332]

"Why salty vets want invisibility removed from Planetside 2". To kill better and die less, nothing more and nothing less. They think their skill must be rewarded when this is an MMO where other things must be taken in consideration. By the same rule, next thing to erase could be Orbital Strikes or even Bastions. I play much as an infil, I'm not a great shoter but I try to make my brain work. If you erase the cloaks then I will change my style of gameplay and of course it will be not in the frontline like the Heavy guys with a Gauss or a Polaris, I never play as a Heavy unless forced, something that happens too much to my taste...

[@kaligath6616]

Infiltrators are so easy to kill when spotted they die like in 3 hits or so.

[@tealthantos1]

No one expects the NC stalker!

[@nickfox9030]

Battlebit will be the death stroke on Planetside. Sure, it's not a 24/7 sandbox, but what's the point of playing in a sandbox if it's devoid of enemies

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Planetside is completely dead except peak time. Makes playing from outside US or Europe impossible.

[@TempoTrack]

​@@JohnFromAccountingoce server still goes hard

[@falls2shine712]

They could add a reaction bar beside the stealth energy bar that drops down fast and when it's gone you can use an action. Like a .5 second timer or less. When you play it for a while you would naturally/intuitively work around it. In exchange, since my main play is infil or engie, I'd want to see heavy assault shields nerfed or their damage. Most of the time I engage with a heavy assault, I die very fast as engie and infil, and when i look at what their health was at after i died, most of the time i didn't even get to put damage on their shield, let alone health. As an engie I'd much rather fight over a point versus an infiltrator, rather than an invincible heavy. It could be i suck though XD When I play heavy the odd time, I die really quick.... probably using wrong shield and loadout. So... *shrugs* What this game needs to survive is a reason for being. What are we here for? To take continents? How do we do this? Teamwork right? That is principle one. This outfit tournament series I've been hearing about sounds perfect. They should really take a hard look at Albion Online, as those guys have really done a great job of maximizing on mechanics around their principles. Hmmm.. it might be cool to be able to take a players weapon after they die. Same for hijacking vehicles. Maybe the vehicle stays the same colour, but the player name is black, has two stars each side, or something like that. There is a social component in this game that isn't being leveraged hardly at all imo. Outfits should have their own headquarters. Think of the certs you could sell there. Again look at albions island system. The HQ can be a copy pasted instance. a generic building on an island, underground, whatever..where the outfits can add items to give ingame advantages or things that make teamwork better. HUD commands for Squad or Platoon leaders might be useful. Like a hot key for targeting a building and tagging it as the next waypoint. There are a lot of things that could be done still to make this game a hit.

[@HardlyGaming]

I have no issue with cloak, I have issues with certain weapons being used with it. Same with cloak flash, I believe it should never have been giving weapons, it should be have been one or the other.

[@InternetStudiesGuy]

"Certain weapons" you mean bolt action snipers right?

[@HardlyGaming]

@@InternetStudiesGuy SMG's also and even some pistols. Anything that can kill a player after decloaking before they can even raise their gun to try and stop you. Think about it, that is a no skill kill, the opponent that dies learns nothing, has no enjoyment and can't respond. What do you think most players will do in those situations? Especially new players, they'll just log out, tell their mates it's a shit game and never come back.

[@FoMScratch]

It's certain aspects of it that are annoying/powerful for the fresh faces. The obvious one, sniping. You already have an advantage at long range with a sniper rifle but the risk/reward you have in every game ever is that you're not as strong in short->med range. In planetside however if people start taking accurate pot shots at you then you can simply cloak away and reposition. If people start pushing up to you then you can cloak away and reposition. The "sniper" in this game ships with a get out of jail free card. The other one which is the bane of the new player is stealth atv's running them over or uncloaking and blasting them with a mounted shotgun. Anything else in my opinion is just a core feature of the class. You die to a stealther with an smg that's your fault you got an audio cue when they unstealthed. You die to a pistol user that's been stationary next to a tree for the last 7 minutes that's your fault you got an audio cue that guy with a pilot/commissioner isn't slapping you from 100 meters out. The average Joe doesn't hate stealth as a whole, it's just certain abused aspects of it that are powerful/unfun/unimmersive for everyone except the guy that is doing it.

[@MisterN75]

All classes have different abilities with their pros and cons. If it’s not remove this because I don’t like it then it’s remove that because I don’t like that. It was the same thing with maxes where people complained they should be removed. Never had any issues facing a cloaked player as the developers adds more and more ways to spot cloakers. Meanwhile heavies runs around with hard hitting weapons and a overshield.

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

you can SEE the heavy lol i get destroyed as heavy just fine. i dont find it easy to kill people like if i was invisible

[@Infernus25]

It should definitely remain in the game, its a cool feature that not many other games have. Should it be allowed with certain loadouts probably not. Invis flash is cool but should not be allowed to have guns. With snipers its probably a bit cheesy but generally its pretty hard to hit headshots from distance and if youre any closer people generally will seek you out pretty quick

[@syniix1916]

Idk man you can easily abuse the shit out of the game with a sniper if you have good gamesense and know the map i often had 30+ killstreaks and no one even came close to killing me

[@1roxyfan491]

@@syniix1916 well that's because it takes skill, people always like to complain when people get good imo.

[@syniix1916]

@@1roxyfan491 i think overall it doesnt take to much skill the snipers barley have recoil and kill almost all classes with 1 headshot and you can also preaim during your cloak to make sure you hit

[@1roxyfan491]

@@syniix1916 thanks for agreeing

[@sillybilly121212]

The guys who have the biggest opinions have ruined the game. They just want to farm new players, then come up with unrelated reasons why there are no longer new players.

[@Caigul]

as long as your paying attention its not hard to deal with

[@fragelicious]

If it's hard for my blindass, romove it? Except the challenge and stop trying to make this game less of a challenge. If you can't progress it's no one elses fault.

[@monsteraara2815]

Remove heavy assault from the game then 😂

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

their shield melts fast enough and you can SEE them. light assault is more op and i dont complain about them either because they are visible and idont need to waste a accesstory slot on a weapon for darklight to find them or even spend much time looking for them unlike infil who the hell knows where they've run off to

[@ceiserchief]

@6:30.. This was peak Planetside for me; Back when Bois were doing Try-Hard Alert- winning Meta-Spam; and even low skilled, potato-based players like me could make a difference as Router-Runners... If they could have worked vehicle capture points into the mix, I think it could have been close to a true "Combined Arms" experience, but we got CTF and water mechanice instead sadly.

[@1roxyfan491]

1:30 I'm goanna have to disagree with you on that one chief, how about instead of removing sniper rifles from infiltrates, they should lean towards the glint mechanic kind of like you see with battlefield and call of duty. that why you can still be able to cloak while sniping while the enemy has a level playing field. cloaked infiltrator snipers have always been in the game since the start. (devs if your reading this) *removing bolt action sniper rifles from infiltrators would be a very bad thing*

[@piptyson5512]

My opinion is being a good CQC bolter is the hardest playstyle in this game, I've played all the styles for thousands of hours. I think people get pissed anytime they get instagibbed and then claim something is OP yet they don't have much if any experience doing it themselves. If you've put enough time into this game, you know you don't get killed by them much. I don't complain about half or more players crutching on HA. If the complaint is essentially netcode related, you gonna nerf one class from it when I can just as easily complain about getting practically instagibbed around a corner from any other class due to latency? That is it's own issue that makes all kinds of firefights feel like BS. It's a fundamental thing that if they ever make a PS3, I hope they fix.

[@thinktropics8015]

Heavy assaults should not have the nano suit cloaking, I know it’s short but heavy assaults having shotguns and smgs is pretty overpowered due to their armor bonuses

[@HexVisualNovelPlaythroughs]

as a infil main on console thank the lord be happy with cloak cause it can be worse and its not even bad but you wanna nerf it ok change the cloaks to faction based cloaks like vs has it so you store up extra energy when cloaked you tr has it you reg health when cloaked when being shot nc gets armor cloak and they get -50 incoming damage when cloaked

[@oscar1375]

Guys i play stalker cloaker and the last month and half the devs😮have done something becuz im dying more often. Especially when im being still. I heardly ever was killed now a good bit of the time i light up and die

[@zakadams762]

They aren't salty vets, they are whiny casuals that left for battle bit, got nostalgic for planetside, came back, then tried to change planetside to be battle bit. Not all casuals whine, I want to make that clear

[@paleopteryx]

I also wanted cloak to be gone from the game... when I was a total noob with 2 weeks of playing the game! But if you've played enough you'll see that actually infils are at a dissadvantage most of the time. Although I play as infil a lot, my K/D is bigger as engie than when playing as infil. What I still think is stupid is having implants that make HA or LA getting cloaked! Infils had low damage weapons and low health/armor compared to other classes for a reason! (Thank you wrel for another sh1t you added to the game)

[@g3n1364]

Is this a joke?

[@killer30556]

Your going against your own point with the oshur take. you say something shouldn't be deleted if unless its netirely diliked yet oshur isn't entirely disliked at all with your example being vehicle players. Then again there is also fun places to fight with inv from my small bit of experience with it so this really should get a rework if anything not deleted. All I get from this video is that you have very opinionated takes that contradict themselves at times, are probably expected from a veteran player and that I shouldn't trust it at face value. There are some good points but its hard to take serious when you have the other stuff inbetween.

[@garydezern5212]

Man this for real? Vets? You sure these guys are vets? Salty maybe, vets won't cry over invisibility, they'll use it.

[@-.sy.5367]

If you are a clever developer you don't need to remove a good feature. You just need to balance it. All you need is when you turn off cloak there is a hefty delay when your character can't shoot. Then you still have, ninja playstyle when you can shoot and disappear. Still can position just fine. Class is still very strong. But won't be any issue dropping dead before you see anyone (which is the problem).

[@KOJITAHBAWZ]

No. It should stay.

[@JimmTheRaccoon]

I don't know what peoples complaining about, there always gonna be someone who doesn't like something but it's no fun if they removed fun mechanics, I still missed clock ability for ANT (which add him more variaty to play) and I missed ability to engy repair harrser on third seat cuz without of this ability third seat player now almost useless. What the point to add the fun thing if it gonna be removed after few whiny players? I don't understand it and never will. Just delete shield for havies, jet packs for light assaults and just make another boring game with few classes or without them at all. That is way gonna be fun to play... right?

[@MrJML18]

If we remove the cloack, we lose about 150+ players that use cloack. They only play cloack. I play abit of everything, but i play 50% cloack and thats alot. If people vote cloack off they also vote 150+ less on the server.

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

i'd rather lose players than be shot by players i cant see

[@MrJML18]

@@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha you would feel the battle field flow would no longer favor you. 1) the battle field would be quite one sided since one faction has more veteran players then the other one and you would be forced to face an enemy force far harder to deal with then some one you cant see. 2) The game would die out even faster when there is nothing that hardcore counters the mass of cheeky classes such as lightassult and heavyassult. Play rock papper scissors with out the scissors. You immediately see its not possible to play the game that way.

[@ElevenAce]

The only people who complain about cloaks are those who play Heavy Assault. It's hilarious because they are the most overpowered class. Anti vehicle (check), 150 plus mags (check), c4 (check), I'm being shot let me pop my shield and a health pack (check). They can easily counter infs with dark lights and or motion trackers. Also not being separated from their squad. But people don't properly do that. When I'm killed by an inf I own the fuck up to it. I got out played. But in reality most times they don't get a bunch of kills that's helpful to capping a base. Yes infs can one shot targets but that's literally a huge disadvantage in taking a base vs a squad or platoon. In all honesty the issue in lag. And pay to win. Pay for a better PC and refresh screen. Pay for implants that literally let you walk over mines. The game has always not been perfect but there are other games to play. If you keep getting killed play something else. Anything else.

[@AK255.]

Ah yes veterans want a purpose to defeat people on their own terms calling it "skill". Killing off different playstyle and increasing the difficulty because someone put absurd amount of time in the game is a good way of killing the game for new players! Planetside 2 is already difficult for new players because you got veterans with thousands of hour vs someone who never touched a computer in their life "New Players"

[@ZealousVidya]

well said

[@tiggunner9231]

the good player getting upset about invis doesn't surprise but ur version of a good player is a mediocre player that happens to have played for a couple of years and has things auraxed unlocked everything etc. The top 100 players on eu na or any other servers find cloaking fine cuz u can see it and kill the player beforehand some players get annoyed by players like nebelexe and that kind of game play but over all cloaking is fine

[@ssss-kg7wz]

What's your main char? Are you sure that you are a top 100 player?

[@tiggunner9231]

@@ssss-kg7wz Cira001 and tiggunner101 are my mains and i did not say i was top 100 but i play with people from genz and other pro jaegar players and nobody complains about it. yes its annoying but its in the game they dont mind

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

"yes its annoying"@@tiggunner9231

[@nikushim6665]

Its been in the game 10 years, its no going anywhere. If anything people should be asking for a better anti-cheat and faction balancing. Not class changes.

[@user-if4zv5nj5m]

Getting rid of one of the core mechanics in the game because salty heavy mains don't like being countered is ridiculous. Let's delete all the classes and vehicles aside from medic and heavy, because they can kill you without fighting in a head to head dancing duel. Oh yeah, heavy can flank you too. Let's add a special marker showing the closest enemy/a guy behind you and telling you when he'll begin killing you. Oh, and maps are too complicated. Let's remake the points into a single corridor, people will definitely have a good time jumping in each other's sights and competing in aiming for the head

[@kestutisstugys1189]

While we're at this, we could also remove lite assault's jet packs, because they can outflank you too. Maxes should use only one gun because if you face somebody with two guns, that's unfair, also their health pool should be nerfed. Or... You can just play Battlefield.

[@BootScoot]

The people I see complaining about infils are typically ~rank 50, they may have some basics down but nowhere near a "vet".

[@tartaros3]

I have complained about infils since I first saw them with a sniper rifle in their hand. So... PS2 beta. And then they got worse. PlanetSide had infils with ~1/3 hitpoints compared to Rexos (Heavies) and could only fight with pistols, grenades or knives. Why can't it have stayed like that?

[@xxjongjongxx]

Skill issue 🤷‍♂️ get good

[@ssss-kg7wz]

Post your main.

[@xxjongjongxx]

@@ssss-kg7wz post yours?

[@ssss-kg7wz]

I asked first.@@xxjongjongxx

[@ssss-kg7wz]

@@xxjongjongxx Still dodging?

[@Mancowpuppy]

The person complaining about infils using cloaks is in my personal opinion, in idiot who's never played infil properly before. The fact that infil straight up have less survivability then literally any other class to begin with is more then enough to balance the fact that they can poof into existence and yes bolters are a massive pain in the ass and should have something added so they can't ADS while cloaked or it takes them longer to decloack or recloack sure but as it stands right now, you catch one out of position and they're pretty much dead assuming you hit your shots. There's also the fact that if you lack the situational awareness or ability to hear cloakers decloack and recloak then you kinda deserve your fate because i've had more then my fair share of people hear me or see me and just blast me back to the stone age as an infil so there's no excuse and no reason to even suggest something so ridiculous. With that out of the way, i still agree with you 100% that they should just remove CTF until they can find a viable use for it because it's absolutely useless and technically only half of what CTF is meant to be...CTF was never meant to be a 1 full team defend 1 full team attack scenario because it turns into literally what we have now...a slugfest that literally goes nowhere the moment pop starts getting involved. Oshur should be benched and yes i 200% agree, bring back the old Esamir...i loved that map until they destroyed it with this warpgate mission crap that isn't even in the game anymore. I really hope the new devs of the game step up to the plate and revive this game because i love it to bits and it's sad seeing it die because of a few bad life choices that should of been thrown in the bin ages ago. Thanks for listening to my ted talk xD and as always, thanks for the content Zealous! Appreciate it mate, keep up the great work!

[@TheHuffur]

"as it stands right now, you catch one out of position and they're pretty much dead assuming you hit your shots." -Infiltrator when asked how they play the game

[@keksmlg]

I don't want invisibility removed. I want the shitters with >80ms latencies removed, so that infil decloaking happens before I die and admire it during the killcam. When a class has the time to decloak, kill and recloak before it even takes place on the opposing monitor, just because the developers are bleeding money and don't want to regionlock their PRIMARILY first person shooter game, you know there is a fundamental issue with core design. And when the players that frequent the game cannot wrap their heads around this, you know the intelligence of the playerbase reflects that of the ex lead designer.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

That would be a ban on entire regions. Australians wouldn't be allowed to play anymore.

[@keksmlg]

@@JohnFromAccounting good