Why Secular Ethics is Baseless with Dr. Ovamir Anjum

Dr. Ovamir Anjum is the Editor-in-Chief at Yaqeen Institute and the founder of ummatics.org/
Being a “Good Person” is Not Enough: Why Ethics Need Islam
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Prophetic Ethics: A Model for those Seeking God and Eternal Life
yaqeeninstitute.org/read/pape...
Introduction: 00:00-03:36
The Ethical Impulse: 03:37-11:35
Reason too is necessary: 11:36-17:51
Humans disagree on what is good: 17:52-31:10
The “Secular Age” is not doing well: 31:11-36:25
What people think about ethics/religion: 36:26-37:30
Does science have an opinion? 37:31-54:08
The Modern World: 54:09-54:42
Nietzsche: 54:43-56:21
Some distinctions: 56:22-1:00:47
Is secularism just another religion? 1:00:48-1:09:23
Do we not have secular ethical systems? 1:09:24-1:23:52
How does secular ethics operate? 1:23:53-1:26:02
A Made Scientist on Mars: A Thought Experiment 1:26:03-1:31:38
Liberal ethics: rootless, smuggled, norms: 1:31:39-1:34:37
MacIntyre’s After Virtue applied to today: 1:34:38-1:43:53
Prophet Ethics: 1:43:54-1:50:40
Q&A: 1:50:41 - 2:07:49

[@memyself8912]

Mashallah, very Timely

[@botektecnology6756]

Alhamdulillah words of wisdom Alhamdulillah

[@paulthomas281]

@botektecnology6756 It's the opposite of wisdom. The idea of needing organised religion to be good and cultivate goodness is a joke.

[@botektecnology6756]

@@paulthomas281 yeah that's your opinion i respect it...Good luck

[@paulthomas281]

@@botektecnology6756 It's the view shared by the vast, vast majority of human beings. Many Muslims are also of the view that one does not need religion to be a good person. Faith and the choice to view text as scripture and to underpin scripture with certain assumptions is just that, a choice. Individuals are different. We cannot attach a grade of virtue to faith.

[@botektecnology6756]

@@paulthomas281 yes that's your view unless you know what most people think then..maybe you know the future aswell?! Anyway can't you just be democratic and move on with your life or are you preaching me. 🤔

[@paulthomas281]

@@botektecnology6756 No. I am not preaching to you. I have no intention of changing your beliefs. I fight for freedom of conscience, and freedom of conscience does not exist in Muslims societies. So one must then ask, what the hell is going on...

[@shahiddar6526]

Missing Paul Williams. Brother is also very good

[@a4482921]

Halfway through, looks great so far!

[@wolverine48126]

This was excellent! Jazakallah Khair

[@Solemn_G]

Great discussion.

[@mrsasad1114]

Jazakallah for this

[@_f_]

i love such talk^^ thank you

[@seeloknyasebaiknya3392]

1:50 the purpose of this article is to address often questions that are asked by Muslims and non-muslims which is do you need religion to be a good person, do you need Islam to be a good person, do you need God to be a good person

[@nurgahaditia]

🤔 my delusional opinion is, you only need to have sanity that able to construct moral based on value that reflect fairness and steadiness!? 🤔 Religion are teach some set moral of value to interpret in our daily life that we call as ethics!? Did i fail to understand the context? 🤔 Because everthing is count by the intention, a feeling that fueled by perception of moral and value!? 🤔 Are you headache already? me too... 🤕😅 #justupidea.. 😁

[@arkadashh]

God bless you both guys

[@kamranasif2004]

Incredible Dr Ovamir

[@richardvanheeswyk7142]

Would love to see the development Muslim organisations trying to respond to these huge systemic issues. Feels quite overwhelming

[@_f_]

our existence is a proof of objective truth

[@alberxenos]

السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُ​هُ Assalamu’​alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatu​h

[@hbeee8793]

This was a excellent and thought provoking discussion

[@omarfaruque527]

Ya'll just ignore the islamophobes in the comments. Haters gonna hate

[@HussainFahmy]

💯👍

[@Tazkia-Tasawwuf]

Please bring back Dr Ali Ataie to discuss the part two of the "is tge Qur'anpreserved? "

[@paulthomas281]

@ihsantazkiatasawwuf8582 The Qur'an is not preserved. As Shabir Ally said, Muslims need to give up that trope. It's absolutely false, and it's doing Islam a lot of harm in the information age.

[@unhingedconnoisseur164]

@@paulthomas281 You're thinking of the Qira at and the 7 ahruf, which ataie mentioned in episode 1. The difference is that these originated with the Prophet, they didn't develop over time (iirc proved by the sanaa palimset) on top of this we have manuscripts dating to the first century AH that add up to the entire uthmanic Quran

[@paulthomas281]

@@unhingedconnoisseur164 You are not up to date on Qur'anic studies.

[@unhingedconnoisseur164]

@@paulthomas281 You havent actually given me a *single* actual point in the entire time i've been talking to you

[@farhanimthiaz9999]

​@@paulthomas281answer him

[@salmahyunus6267]

Is there an introduction to the new co-host?

[@MrAsgharbukhari]

What i want to know - which is more important in islam Ethics or Rituals?

[@_f_]

What is the difference between truth and reality? I ask because Chat GPT of course denies objective truth, but confirms objetive reality.

[@malikasfandyaartalhat7779]

From my understanding, and I may be wrong, is that truth is knowing the reality of something. So when ChatGPT denies objective truth, it's claiming that there is an objective reality, but we won't know it or be able to get to it. And Allah knows best.

[@Myanmartiger921]

@@malikasfandyaartalhat7779allah has given nobel prizes to those who deserve it(mostly) and polio to those who deserve it(af pak)

[@MrAsgharbukhari]

"I have been sent only to perfect Noble Character" - Holy Prophet PBUH Very powerful and interesting hadith if you look at it. It seemed to challenge the very notion that the purpose of humans was to follow ritualistic obligations. The complete reverse of much of the way Islamic groups taught Islam in the modern world. Is Islam a religion where humans were created to uphold rituals or is it the opposite - were rituals created to uphold humans? What I mean by that is what exactly is the point of Islam, why was it revealed and then once we understand this what is the role of the human. Understanding this is fundamental to understanding our role in Islam and what Allah wants from us. You see if you were created to do rituals - your obligation (fard) ends with the completion of the ritual. Breaking this down further, it means that the human who has performed the rituals that God created him/ her to do has in fact satisfied the criteria of their obligatory acts of Islam. This is what many so called religiously trained people from previously colonized countries believe today. The second view and taught far less by traditional groups is that the purpose of Islam - Is the exact opposite of the former opinion. Here mankind has NOT completed his 'Fard' (obligatory) duty by completing rituals and even if they completed all rituals they would still NOT satisfy God and His Messengers demand on the man - in short - they would have FAILED in following the teachings of Islam. This view holds that rituals are not the peak, foundation stone, or purpose of Islam, but merely a tool to help with the TRUE purpose of mankind and that Islam was a far nobler and higher set of acts than mere rituals. Rituals were simply tools that that help a human do what Allah really sent mankind to do on this earth - believe in Him and prove it by great personal, ethical and social good works.

[@_f_]

instead of using the example of the Mad Scientist you could ask people, how you would argue with Thanos (Marvel), not to kill half of life in the Universe.

[@_f_]

can rationality only be of use inside the bounderies of Islam? I guess so...

[@asad6877]

100:00

[@nurgahaditia]

What is the meaning of the tagline? 🤔 Islam have an ethic inside the verses and naratives in Qur'an, a set of morals that lead muslim to do "ibadah" in the field they concern and understand!? 🤔 Spiritual in islam are not about labels you wear it like clothes, it is a part of self id as human being that have true colors, definetely not a part of propaganda or product marketing!? 🤔 #justupidea.. 😁

[@seeloknyasebaiknya3392]

read n learn more

[@nurgahaditia]

@@seeloknyasebaiknya3392 kenape tak ko saje nak jelaskan!? 😅 One punch man? So being a good muslim means to be greatest megalomaniac that ruled by delusion? 🤔🤕😮‍💨 Enlight me!? 😁

[@HumanProgress]

If you get your ethics from religion then it becomes relativistic because there are so many different religions to choose from.

[@HumanProgress]

@@unhingedconnoisseur164 Decisions decisions

[@unhingedconnoisseur164]

@@HumanProgress i’ve made mine

[@HumanProgress]

@@unhingedconnoisseur164 Great 👍🙂 I try to base my beliefs on science, reason and evidence rather than faith…… I suit’s me that way. I feel more comfortable like I’m not being played by people or groups with agendas etc.. Or being coerced frightened or bullied into something

[@unhingedconnoisseur164]

@@HumanProgress well, there’s quite a lot to unpack here! 1) “science”: science can certainly be used to inform one’s metaphysical views when necessary, but it can’t be used as a paradigm; science assumes naturalism, rather than proving it. 2) “reason” : implies that there is a necessary conflict between religion and reason. were this true, it’s surprising that there are so many theist philosophers! (Joshua L Rasmussen, Robert Koons, Ryan Mullins, Freser, Plantinga, WLC, Sh. Hamza Karamali are the ones that immediately come mind off the top of my head ). You can certainly argue that the prevalence of people of religion in philosophy of religion is due to some selection effect, but if it really were the case that reason was opposed to religion, then this should be enough to counteract there being so many theist philosophers. I should point out that theist and non theist philosophers alike (non theists such as Graham Oppy, Alex Melpass and Joe Schmid) agree that theism is not inherently rational or irrational, but, like any other belief, what matters is how you came to hold that belief rather than the belief itself. See Graham Oppy’s appearance on Cosmic Skeptic’s channel for more. 3) “evidence”: In the field of epistemology (philosophical study of the nature of knowledge and evidence), evidence just constitutes anything that makes something else more likely. this can be literally anything. Example: it is more likely that things exist on theism than on atheism. this is evidence for theism! for example, “it is more likely that conscious beings exist on theism than atheism”, evidence for theism! this would also mean that arguments (e.g contingency argument ) count as evidence As for your comment about being played by people or groups with agendas, well, I may share your grievances to some extent in that religion tends to get co opted by certain individuals who wish to use it for their own ends, e.g Kenneth Copeland P.S: I take it you’ve conceded the prior point that religion doesn’t lead to relativistic ethics due to there being different religions? (Given the fact that you didn’t mention it in your latest post )

[@HumanProgress]

@@unhingedconnoisseur164 There’s nothing wrong with faith - so long as you accept it is faith, and nothing more.

[@paulthomas281]

There is no blowing out of proportion how much human beings agree with each other on ethics and morals @2:01:30. I mean, get real. If you have no inclination to quantify that at all, then say something else.

[@paulthomas281]

It's not up to Muhammad to determine who is the best of them, who is the worst of them, and who is the ultra-worse of them etc. etc. Of course, he can opine all he wants to, but to put this much stock into another person's judgment (in this case Muhammad's), or to find his judgement infallible (in this case Muhammad's) is no recipe, no formula, no paradigm WHATSOEVER for moral awakening, moral flourishing.

[@AhmedHassan-vo5fz]

Bro, I have seen your comments all over. Don’t you have anything else to do. Don’t fight your heart, it wants to embrace Islam. Embrace paradise and the true religion. Take care

[@paulthomas281]

@@AhmedHassan-vo5fz I was working on my Statistics assignment all day yesterday, and yes commenting on this video. As far as fighting something, many Muslims seem to be fighting their brains as they don't understand that there is no such thing as the first two human beings.

[@paulthomas281]

@@AhmedHassan-vo5fz The true religion? The religion that executes people for rejecting it.. you mean that religion?

[@phs8014]

@@charlievaughan1308 can you be at least be skeptical about where the quote originates historically? also, our relationship to hadith is not like the Qur'an. it's just data for us to verify then act upon it when it has been verified by historians , linguists , etc.

[@henrywolf5332]

Title should be the other way around if we are being intellectually honest.

[@modnar651]

baseless ethics are intellectually honest? sure buddy

[@unhingedconnoisseur164]

just because someone has a different opinion to you it doesnt mean they aren't being "intellectually honest" , please be humble

[@Afmadow7550]

Religions hate criticism.

[@paulthomas281]

@Singularity7550 Correct. Islam's policy is to eliminate disbelievers.

[@abdelkader8556]

so does your "version" of Human Rights.Your white man made human rights can't stand criticism because you assume the moral high ground everytime you talk to someone who disagrees with your degenerate values .

[@ha.alamin]

Sure, and spammers like you _love_ criticism.

[@kurdasunni874]

@@paulthomas281Proof?

[@paulthomas281]

@@abdelkader8556 I can stand criticism. Criticize away. Stop the sensationalism. "Moral high ground".. you can't just mouth that off. We must all be committed to moral reasoning. In my study of history, post-war human rights is superior to everything that has been on offer since recorded history. That doesn't mean that there weren't shining examples of brilliant philosophy in other social-moral contracts. But overall, there is defect, major defects. Is what we have perfect? No. International human rights is still based on a property paradigm, which does not suit well the legitimate redressal of injustices against indigenous peoples in Canada, the US, and Mexico.

[@CG-zi5ku]

Ethics does not need Islam. Islam needs to be ethical.

[@marlie4872]

Islam does not need anything, it was perfected by God over 1000 years ago

[@CG-zi5ku]

@@marlie4872 Oh but it does. Islam not only needs to be ethical, it needs to be good, it needs to be true, it needs to be right. Otherwise it is of no benefit to no one.

[@seeloknyasebaiknya3392]

1:50 the purpose of this article is to address often questions that are asked by Muslims and non-muslims which is do you need religion to be a good person, do you need Islam to be a good person, do you need God to be a good person

[@CG-zi5ku]

@@seeloknyasebaiknya3392 "do you need religion to be a good person, do you need Islam to be a good person" well i don't need anyone to answer such blindingly simple questions.

[@seeloknyasebaiknya3392]

@@CG-zi5ku its u that blindly in this life. Do u watch the video?