Why Separatist Worlds Cared for their Populations WAY more than the Republic

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[@justicedunham4088]

Worlds like Ryloth were liberated by the clone army in the Clone Wars. Worlds like Umbara were conquered by the clones.

[@neofulcrum5013]

I think we’ll see ryloth again

[@savageopress4533]

@@neofulcrum5013 So true

[@def3ndr887]

Sooner or later all clones came back as conquerors

[@AKUNJIG]

@@neofulcrum5013 Well........

[@AKUNJIG]

@Pedro Ortega It was lovely seeing them Again.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Senator: *refuses to kneel to evil empire* Bail: Hello. I’d like to talk to you about the Alliance initiative

[@snipingflute4346]

Hence why it’s been called the ‘Rebel Alliance.’

[@alexgaelsotorodriguez3870]

@Mackenzie Bauroth You say as if the Republic was not controlled by corporations either.

[@alexgaelsotorodriguez3870]

@Mackenzie Bauroth The 99% of the Republic war effort was provided by Kuat Drive Yards, Rothana Heavy Engineering, BlasTech industries (surprise, all part of the Techno Union), and an extragalactic planet which did business with creating armies composed of organic slaves. Contracts were made generally directly with the military, even if some needed Senate passing at the first half of the war. The finances were controlled by the Intergalactic Bankng Clan and the Bank of Aargau, which also bypassed the Senate after the deregulation of the banks. The clones were property sold to the state by a private interest.

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

Accurate.

[@condedooku9750]

@Mackenzie Bauroth The megacorporations had a great influence on both sides and both sides were controlled by the Sith, yet the vast majority of people, both military and civilian were good people, that's why the beginning of Revenge of the Sith says: "There are heroes on both sides, evil is everywhere."

[@annuitcptis1447]

Remember separatists just means having a local government and being more closed off to galactic governments.

[@geetslys]

Well, the Separatists didn't want to be part of The Republic, which was a hot mess.

[@cchavezjr7]

@@geetslys Because the Republic was in decay and not taking care of the worlds and the citizenry of those worlds. Sidious played on that sentiment and used that to trigger the Clone Wars. Many of the Separatists were doing what they thought was best for their own worlds and not trying to make an overarching statement.

[@tankofreality4550]

@@geetslys This may be a little late but can you do a Reimagine video (similar to the Templin Institute) about the CIS with its corporate overlords involved?

[@neofulcrum5013]

That’s probably what the galaxy is like after the sequels

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

I can agree with the ideals of the Separatists, and I would have support them, but the CIS council is the thing I will never support no matter who does, they made the Republic crimes look like toddler incompetence, and That's saying a lot considering what the Republic did and didn't do

[@joshdoz9234]

CIS: *wants liberty and self-determination* Republic: "And I took offense to that"

[@ordikaskirita5234]

Hmm. sounds like someone was pilfering EvE Online lore ie the Gallente Federation vs Caldari State.

[@hunterkiller1440]

Padme: Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me? Obi Wan: Shut up, you healthily delivered two twins and yet end up being so sad you die.

[@geetslys]

I mean, we are talking on average.

[@AncestorEmpireGaming]

People still believe she died from sadness? The lack of knowledge on force bonds is more insulting than allowing Jedi council member Vrook to live in Kotor 2.

[@lenzi5119]

I thought she just got choked to death or some shit wat?

[@AncestorEmpireGaming]

@@lenzi5119 that was a theory. But after replaying through Kotor 2 more than a dozen times. I think the force bind theory makes more narrative sense. When Anakin died on the operating table, Padme died along with him. And with Anakin narratively dead at that time, Vader rises.

[@thehighground9648]

@@lenzi5119 no, while it’s just a theory I think the most likely thing that happened was Emperor Palpatine sucked her life out to give Vader life

[@KingFlameHawk]

In the end you could say both sides ended up as pieces of sith.

[@bri5490]

In the Revenge of the Sith opening crawl it says; “There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.”

[@red_light_3937]

Thank You!

[@evanboll4651]

Makes me wish we had a show entirely from the perspective of the best parts of the CIS vs the worst parts of the Republic, basically a mirror of the Clone Wars TV Show we already have. It'd have two endings, one aligning with the canon timeline where almost the entire cast dies and some survivors later raise a glass to them as the first Death Star burns. The second ending would lead into a show where the Confederacy, which has quietly rebuilt, returns to challenge the Empire 5-10 years after Order 66. The second show would end with the Confederacy in control of most of the galaxy, with some planets choosing to remain neutral or part of their own local faction. Some planets would try to form a New Republic, but most would agree that the Republic was best left in the past.

[@neofulcrum5013]

I hope we see a separatist holdout fighting a guerrilla war against the empire. If not this season, then hopefully the next

[@geetslys]

SAW

[@neofulcrum5013]

@@geetslys but he’s not technically a separatist

[@thevgmlover]

@@geetslys General Kalani? 🤔

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

@@thevgmlover New Plympto

[@jackrutledgegoembel5896]

@@neofulcrum5013 yeah he's kind of the opposite, lol. Republic guerrilla

[@starpilot101]

quote from droid general kalani in star wars rebels: "I am fighting against the republic, and now the republic has become the empire. I see your point." Boy I did not know there was so much more to this.

[@hunterkiller1440]

I also noticed how the Bad Batch cared for their brothers that they set for stun. I was kinda hoping Finn would be doing that but he's cheering and laughing all the way while murdering people he grew up with.

[@Luca-ok6sw]

@@thezman9522 they already knew about chips since the first episode, the only thing they didn’t knew was that you can remove it, that could be the reason

[@torntokoroa3357]

The thing about that. The First Order simply abducted children and forced them under their wing. Finn may have "grown up" along side thoae others but he didn't grow up *with them*. What I mean is the First Order didn't allow them to forge relationships and friendships. They probably didn't even know each other's names, Finn felt nothing to those he killed as they felt nothing for him. He probably didn't even know most of them. The only other trooper I thought he even had a slight connection with was the one that was dying in the beginning of force awakens, the one who left his blood on Finn's helmet

[@psimoes2000]

@@torntokoroa3357 also traitor guy, they were rivals

[@torntokoroa3357]

@@psimoes2000 exactly. They were ready to straight out kill Finn. There was no real..."Oh how could you do this!?" or such questioning, trying to understand why a "friend" switched sides

[@CartoonyAndor19]

BUT THEY DIDNT DO THAT IN EPISODE 2 sorry that really triggered

[@akechiv1855]

You have to admit when you saw the senator in the episode, you really just had to agree that he’s a great man. Also like you said that it hits hard when exploiters come around.

[@lordzamasuvegetablackfusio9773]

Echo repeating himself, just like old times.

[@anbrickers]

yup

[@rc59191]

Love how the Clone Wars is basically the American Civil War in reverse lol.

[@geetslys]

Lol. I mean the CIS weren't exactly the GOOD guys...

[@rhymenoceros3303]

@@geetslys the citizenry were but the leadership sure as hell wasn’t. Didn’t help that it seems Palps made sure that any decent leaders were killed or replaced with bloodthirsty psychos like Rift Tamson.

[@rc59191]

@@geetslys lol I know what I meant was the Republic are the ones using slave soldiers and labor.

[@Themrine2013]

@@rhymenoceros3303 kinda like the csa. The leadership wanted slavery for economic reasons. The soldiers mostly fought for there states.

[@roadhouse6999]

@@Themrine2013 That's not entirely true. While war crimes by northern Generals definitely drove up recruitment, a lot of non-slave-owning Southerners were convinced that if Black people were set free, they would run amok through society, completely turning everything the South valued, even beyond slavery, on its head - this according to many collected journals of Confederate soldiers.

[@thegreatestpepe]

I'm really hoping to see the Legends "separatist holdout worlds" featured in the Bad Batch. It would be interesting to see how the characters react to their old enemies fighting their new ones and which side they choose, if any.

[@marshalllatta2073]

This episode was awesome to show us the separatist alliance are not so bad after all

[@JAKEATO]

They were used like the Republic for the Sith Empire

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@JAKEATO Very true. Republic, Seps, Droids, Clones, Jedi, and many others, all of them just pawns in Sidious game and when they had served their roles they were all tossed off the board.

[@ClarinetEnthusiast]

In fact, the Separatists were actually the “good guys.” As they were trying to separate from the corrupt Republic. But it was military who was also corrupt, and the banking clans, Trade Federation, and of course Dooku really screwed them over.

[@Lumbago_survivor84]

@@ClarinetEnthusiast you see palatine betrayed Dooku dooku betrayed and the seps lost there freedom

[@Blorb137]

Truth was republic was cringe from the start

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

These and many other reasons are why I am a fervent Separatist supporter. The CIS (excluding the Separatist Council) was the breath of fresh air the Galaxy needed. But the movement was hijacked and twisted by the Sith for their own purposes.

[@FoxhoundAK74]

Agreed, just as the Republic was.

[@planegaper]

Stark hyperspace war was sort of the last straw, when Stark was put down , the Outer Rim planets lost faith en masse .. The Corruption of the core was put on display for all to see, and yet the Senate did nothing to right the wrongs, Stark was in no doubt correct for his actions, and yet the Jedi were used as the hammer to crush him. one can see the makings of the clone wars, as well as it's template in this crisis.. unfortunately the optics were twisted from behind the scenes..

[@christianyaerger1751]

I was always a little frustrated how we never had a significant POV on the Separatist side, aside from Dooku and Grievous.

[@Karlos1234ify]

At least the Separatists actually cared for their people.

[@plaguemaster308]

"The Rebellion to Restore the Republic" now has a whole new meaning.

[@dwnkaomwn3953]

Honestly, the Republic shouldn't have been restored to begin with. Not if it was going to inherit the same bad habits(which it did).

[@scoutman66]

@@dwnkaomwn3953 The fall of the Empire reminds me a lot of the fall of the Soviet Union with criminals running through the streets, fighting over the scraps, shooting each other and over all making life a lot more unsafe

[@MrDude826]

Well it's not exactly a restoration... more like a new Republic without the shortcomings of the last one.

[@dwnkaomwn3953]

@@MrDude826 The New Republic did have the shortcomings of the last one like disbanding its military and turning it into a security force.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@dwnkaomwn3953 they should formed a bunch of local independent governments, like a... confederacy of independent systems

[@laz3rleaf884]

Wow after this vid I feel like I am becoming more of a genuine Separatist supporter

[@geetslys]

EYY

[@10bears60]

Welcome to the club! Roger roger.

[@ntfoperative9432]

Welcome to the separatist cause.

[@laz3rleaf884]

@@ntfoperative9432 thanks mate

[@laz3rleaf884]

@@10bears60 thanks buddy

[@catachandevilfang]

Long live the CIS! Or at least give us more stories about Seppies who form the backbone of the rebellion lol

[@yrm1594]

I personally never thought about the separatists as "evil". Yeah, they were controlled by the sith, but so was the republic, and the separatists themselves were right. As they always said, they were fighting against republic corruption. It makes sense their representatives would care about them more.

[@multifan75]

Plus, the Sith sabotaged the peace talks between the Republic and the Separatists to keep the war going on

[@apolloknight9521]

Hearing this makes me wish that we get a Show centered around Separatist POV of the war. I would call it “Star Wars: Separatist” I know the title need some work.

[@leumas5476]

They could just make more clone wars episodes, including some with the separatist side of the story

[@neofulcrum5013]

Star Wars: Code Confederacy

[@leumas5476]

@@neofulcrum5013 nice

[@havco501st7]

@@neofulcrum5013 thats a kick ass title

[@scoutman66]

It was really nice to see a Separatist that actually cares about what's right and doesn't just straight up act like an overly evil bastard all the time

[@Poke-ladd]

Makes me curious did the separatist alliance not have droid fail safes like a counter to the shut down code or maybe secret vaults of droids

[@thevgmlover]

One. The individual judgement of Super Tactical Droids. In Star Wars Rebels, one Super Tactical Droid, General Kalani made the decision not to pull the plug on his forces, thinking it was a Republic trick. It was an unintentional and unforeseen failsafe, and the alliance as a whole would probably never know that it existed, but it was a failsafe, nontheless.

[@nobleman9393]

No, because the shut down command wasn't an official order.

[@MrDude826]

@@thevgmlover No, their whole leadership was assasinated by the Empire on Mustafar where they would reach an agreement. Instead of an agreement Anakin killed their Viceroy, Generals, anyone else that was important and shut down their droid army. Without an army the Empire just swooped, took over and arrested their whole senate.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@MrDude826 except thats not what happened, the generals were on their respective war fronts, only the council and central leadership were on mustafar. canonically many units simply ignored the order or reactivated their troops shortly after the order, but by that point they had lost alot of ground. according to the canon Tarkin novel it took 3 years to properly defeat the droid army after the shutdown order due to such reactivations, and even then there were smaller holdouts scattered across the galaxy.

[@thevgmlover]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 And of one of those small holdouts could have been General Kalani. His story was bookended at the end of that Star Wars Rebels episode, where he and his remaining forces lived to basically choose their own destiny.

[@zrproductions6469]

I always had the thought in my mind that there was a lot of good in some of the separatists, but after this week’s episode of TBB I see the Separatists as a whole in an entirely new light.

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Sometimes there's always that gray area, both sides have their pros and cons what they're fighting for when we think of the separatists we know of them being evil while the republic trying to help the other worlds under the separatists. It goes to show that there were signs of the republic becoming the empire from someone who sympathize the separatists, although the outcome was gonna come eventually after the clone wars

[@stephenkenney8290]

This reminds me of part of the opening for Episode 3 - There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.

[@MatthewChenault]

I’ll quote an old, Latin phrase that has been echoed time and again: Sic Semper Tyrannis.

[@Loneguy22]

Always against tyranny. Out of curiosity are you aware of who it was that made the most memorable use of that phrase. Not mind you that it detracts from its meaning.

[@MatthewChenault]

@@Loneguy22, John Wilkes Booth during his assassination of Lincoln.

[@captaindc3889]

Well they are “Independent Systems”

[@laisphinto6372]

Dead Systems after the reconquest of the rim to wipe out the separatist pest of the face of the galaxy

[@goodmind4940]

CIS Senate feels more like useless Imperial Senate, Republic Senate actually still got things done by Padme

[@FoxhoundAK74]

Under Palapatine you mean,

[@Joe-xq3zu]

It's like the EU parliament, it exists to give people the illusion that their voices matter, but has no actual power.

[@JacobAAllen]

According to one tactical commander droid, the CIS only had a 20% chance of losing the war. If the Sith was not involved the CIS could of have won or at least had peace talks that would of ended with the CIS being independent from the Republic like Hut space.

[@grantt1589]

I would like to see a TV show or movie showing the perspective the CIS

[@project4061]

In a way, the C.I.S. droid army was more than a way to mass produce an expendable troops, but a way to keep living people out of a war that would have killed them. The only exception we see are with generals, and Umbara. So, setting droid sentience aside, the Separatists did not even consider risking living people to a conflict, which is another thing they had over the Republic.

[@zackerywolfe4269]

Long live the CIS!

[@geetslys]

Wait a sec...

[@zackerywolfe4269]

@@geetslys Lol! I love clones they don't deserve to be enslaved to such a corrupt system which is why if we won all clones could flee to the outer regions and be free .

[@alienalchemist]

Rebel recruiter: Hey wanna join our cause? Separatist: Cool, I wanna the your rebellion, say what's the name of your organization? Rebel recruiter: Rebel Alliance to Restore the Republic. Separatist:🤨

[@captain_hammer]

5:18 I love how the Separatist parliament building is quite clearly the British House of Commons but slightly longer and with added random technology

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

I've read that George Lucas modeled the Republic on the USA, with its becoming the Empire being something of a political statement about the direction he felt the country was headed at the time. In that event, I think the CIS being modeled on "foreign rivals" may not have been coincidental. CIS Senate looking distinctly European (British/Commonwealth) specifically may be a nod to Europe as the most "threatening" alternative or challenge to the US's form of governance (most often reformers on the left cite EU or Commonwealth nations as examples of states that are better governed, less corrupt/beholdened to corporations, more caring for their citizens via welfare, etc and therefore examples the US should emulate). CIS Council being led by Gunray (with a hilariously over-stereotyped Asian accent) may represent the US perception of East Asia (Japan and later China) as it's chief economic threat, where non-US companies seemed to be growing fastest. Grievous, as Supreme Commander of the CIS armed forces, has an intensly Russian accent, probably representing the perceived threat of Russia as, at the time, the US's #1 military rival and most "in your face" fear. They're all simultaneously quite subtle, yet overt, attempts, I think, at inciting additional subconscious disdain for/mistrust of the CIS and support for the Republic among an American audience, which is then left shocked when that Republic comes out as the Empire. CIS was just a distraction... the real enemy, the greatest threat, was within (Sidious). Not 100% sure this was what he was going for, but given his USA = Republic falling to Empire narrative, I assume Lucas may have been deliberately trying to get the subtle message across that all the Euro/Sino/Russo bashing on the part of certain American politicians, especially on the right, was deflection from the heap of corruption they were dealing in themselves. CIS had their issues, but they were never worse than the Empire became. Buying into American Exceptionalism and hugging the republic flag is closing your eyes and drinking Kool-aid Aid. Gotta love how layered politial Star Wars gets, lol

[@voidkat4202]

@@GeneralGrievousCISI didn’t know there’s some irl stereotypes in the movies and series. Holy shit.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

When there's a war, the ones who fights the least, wins, and the ones who fights themselves, loses.

[@stickthelanding4785]

I’m glad we are getting to see the rest of galaxy being effected by the empire rising

[@zexalbrony4799]

The Separatists had their good side, but I will always be loyal to the Republic. And by Republic, I mean the true Republic, the Republic that many good people like Obi-Wan, Rex, Ahsoka, Anakin, Fives, Echo, The Bad Batch, Wolfe, Plo Koon, Cody, Kit Fisto, Aayla Secura, Doom, Waxxer, Boil, Jesse, Kix, Hardcase, Tup, R2, Padme, Bail, Mon Mothma, Senator Tills, Ackbar, and many others fought for and always demonstrated the noble ideals they believed in and supported. This is the kind of Republic many fought for to bring back after the Empire, the kind of Republic where they can forgive and work with those good people in the Separatists for a better tomorrow. It's just like Rex said back in episode 7, the Republic isn't fully dead, parts of it still exist and resist the tyranny of the Empire. And Echo agreed with Rex and wanted to keep fighting for the Republic, the good Republic he believed in and demonstrated in this episode by seeing the good in the Separatist Senator and helping him and telling him he will be able to help his people one day, but for now, has to live to fight another day. That right there is the True Republic: those good people in the old Republic and Separatists working together, finding common ground and building a better tomorrow, which is what the Rebel Alliance was, given how many former Separatists and Republic people worked together in it.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Amen. Right there with you.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

the republic, even the 'good' republic, is an inherently flawed system. democracy becomes increasingly inefficient and prone to corruption the bigger the system gets. furthermore, you have something called the tyranny of the masses, which only gets worse when you scale up democracy (that is the less popular political opinions inevitably get ignored, and the more powerful voting blocks can vote for stuff that benefits them at the expense of the minority, be it nazi Germany & the jews or california and their water supply). the republic, no matter how many idealists it may have, is always going to be the bad gie, especially if it fights wars to keep the people in line. the CIS at least was a confederacy of *independent* systems. member states of a confederacy retain sovereignty, and this is highlighted by the 'independent part of their name. the central authority is relatively weak, ie a decentralized system, which is increasingly important the bigger the system gets in order to remain dynamic and reduce oppression. I'll pick a corrupted confederacy, with political idealists, over a corrupted federation, with political idealists, any day of the week.

[@zachattack1279]

I like to think that this episode was the aftermath of a battle on raxis that would explain why the AT-TEs are already there in fact I think the imperial officer was the one who commanded the whole thing because I like the reconquest of the rim

[@orionriftclan2727]

I honestly like Raxus (sorry I spelled it wrong) but it is a beautiful planet

[@geetslys]

I love the color palette!

[@birch8109]

It is!

[@marrqi7wini54]

Raxus.

[@orionriftclan2727]

@@marrqi7wini54 thank you

[@jabdawg95]

My view of the republic (and the Jedi) changed when I discovered the tragedy of Qymaen jai Sheelal aka General Grievous

[@daviddiab7551]

Interestingly, the Jabiimi Nationalists allied themselves with the Empire

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

Because they were mistrustful of both sides

[@kirkbolas4985]

I see the Separatist population in the same way I see people in nations who are purportedly our enemies. These people are no different than you or I. They just want to be left alone to ply their trades/professions, take care of their families and live comfortably. It’s the unholy trinity of the government leadership, the sycophantic corporations and the high level bureaucrats that are the true enemies of the common individual. It’s the use of political manipulation, social engineering and the threats of violence against their own people that goad a nation’s population into supporting a corrupt government and the agendas of that government. As a result, there exists a blurred line between who the people really are and the government that presumes to rule over those people & purports to “take care” of those people. The Republic, the Separatists…both are modeled after real world nations and real world histories.

[@valmid5069]

Sidious: *You have done your part Separatists. When the stormtroopers arrive, they will take care of you… Under a New Management*

[@jonathanellis6097]

The CIS were the good guys, their movement was hijacked by the sith and the separatist council, quite tragic really.

[@Slick_Nick7567]

I think like an old clone wars saying there were good sides on both fronts and same goes for bad

[@xevious1538]

I think it was "heroes were on both sides, evil is everywhere" in the opening crawl of III

[@Slick_Nick7567]

@@xevious1538 you are right I meant to say I was paraphrasing. Great episode though

[@Shruple]

The CIS was good in politics and the Republic was good in military. The Empire combined the CIS military stratagies of attacking the civilians with the Republics all for one governmental practices taking the worst of both sides.

[@aaronlimeuchin7352]

@Mattias Cheeseman, I think the Republic is extremely savvy in politics. If not, how did they manage to keep the Republic afloat if not constant bribery and special "incentives" among politicians?

[@crimsoncarnotaurus]

Like The Mandalorian and Din Djarin's flashbacks in the Clone Wars conflict, it would be cool to see in Andor, Cassian fighting in the pro CIS militia he was in as a child.

[@tristan3947]

We argue over Galactic politics that exist in a galaxy far far away! HAAHAA

[@generalkenobi7148]

*"Hello There Everyone! Happy weekend! Have fun and the force will be with you always!"*

[@celticlad5866]

Your republic lies and deception wont fool me

[@generalkenobi7148]

@@celticlad5866 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@clangercountry7407]

Bad batch is cool

[@LEGO.0.]

Agreed

[@geetslys]

Yup!

[@neofulcrum5013]

Loving it

[@macekreislahomes1690]

That's why as a G.A.R. A.R.C. and a Mandalorian I found a way to help both sides.

[@thebadbatch1132]

Great video. Can totally understand Echo's PTSD with the sepies though, considering how they used him and what they turned him into. It was a good thing for Echo to see another side of them.

[@Nyatascha4510]

A really good in depth analysis of the whole separatist situation, thanks

[@jamiewalsh3349]

We're talking about Andor already? But you're right about Andor's line. The CIS's battle against the Republic pretty much continued beyond the Clone Wars and into the Galactic Civil War.

[@iamwill5852]

I REALLY wish they made a show following multiple arcs of planets or ppl as they find themselves joining the CIS and fighting the first stage of imperials. We could see the build up to the war, the shock of a secret clone army emerging to deny the independence of the CIS, they struggle against the jedi who were suppose to be heroes and eventually the fall of the CIS council and the deactivation of the armies. This would make for a great tie-in series with Bad Batch if they have characters cross over and be relevant to the start of rhe rebellion, if thats what "BB" is going to eventually lead to

[@mitchcoleman1238]

My thoughts about the Separatist people changed the moment I watched Ahsoka escort Padme to Raxxus! It was through the dealings of the Sith that they were made to look evil!!

[@eightball6219]

Justifying the Clanker Lovers is the SW version of "The South will rise again"

[@kwamesmith3214]

Gave me a Galaxy Far Far Away(GFFA) version of 1984 vibe where CIS and the Republic were just Eurasia and Oceania, but more optimistic that proles and outer party members (you could refer to them as imperial defectors) will rebel.

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate cared more for the Senate than the Republic did.

[@geetslys]

This is true.

[@livmashupmansen191]

From what I've seen in Dutchess of Mandalore and in Lux Bontori's mother, a separatist senator, they both cared for their people. Dutchess Satine and Senator Mina Bonteri both fought for their people through the means of politics. Dutches Satine fought to be peaceful and remain neutral in the war (sadly couldn't) and Senator Bonteri fought for separation from the Republic. They both were unsuccessful in bringing the changes, Duchess Satine wanting peace and neutrality away from the Galactic War, and Senator Bonteri's separation from the Republic and also autonomy outside the Republic. I felt that they (Satine and Mina) had the same desire for peace just as Senator Amidala, and they all believed in their core beliefs and leaders. Mina believed in Count Dooku, Padmé believed in Chancellor Palpatine, and Dutchess Satine in her advisors and goals; they all cared for their people and fought to protect them, but in the end, they all lost. Senator Bonteri is the epitome of wanting freedom from the tyranny controlling their homeworlds. But I cannot say the same for Senator Orn Free Taa, he seemed gluten (I am not fat-shaming, but he seems content in being wealthy, comfortable, and eating well over his people's health) and did not seem to care for his people, while his general Cham Syndulla did care for the Twi'leks. Syndulla fought for the people of Ryloth time and time again, even going to work with Senator Free Taa, even though they have a clear disdain for each other, by putting his feelings aside did the necessary changes for the people to rise up. From the few clips I have seen in Bad Batch with Cham Syndulla and his family, he and his family still care, and he (Cham Syndulla) is willing to put down his war-like attitude that helped save the people of Ryloth being permanent slaves to the Separatist movement for the sake of peace for his family and his people. He had fought so many times for his people, and they were tired of fighting and probably running out of supplies, because it's not cheap to keep up with the expenses of war. However, Senator Free Taa seemed to have sided with the empire (whether it is free will or through intimidation), and has allowed his planet's defense lowered. But Senator Free Taa, Watt Tambor, and the wrinkly alien lady (banking clan council), and a few others did not seem to care for their people and only wanted power and rubbed me the wrong way. Especially, Chancellor Palpatine is the epitome of sacrificing his people for power. He is a Sith Lord.

[@zombiehunter501]

the greatest tragedy of the Separatist that those who cared about their people and their worlds joined in with a movement helmed by people who only cared about themselves or their own goals. Dooku knew the playbook and partly how the war was "planned" to end. GG was a cyber warmonger who just wanted to fight and kill jedi, Gunnray wanted wrath, power and to settle scores with those who "wronged" him aka Naboo and the republic. and most of the sep high council were out for themselves. and the real tragedy about the clone wars. no one won that war, everyone lost save Palpatine.

[@_N_I_K_0_]

Ham Sandwich.

[@geetslys]

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[@_N_I_K_0_]

@@geetslys :)

[@sgt.squirtle2528]

Secession was the genuine answer to the failing republic. Without Palpatine's manipulations, using Dooku as a proxy and deliberately having Grievous commiting war crimes, the clone war may well have never happened and definitely wouldn't have dragged out as long as it did.

[@nathaniellong4281]

As the opening crawl of Episode III stated and as the title of an episode of the Clone Wars, their were heroes on both sides.

[@silverfoxdelta290]

the episode was called "common ground" and started off with a sep senator refusing to be the empire's dog. i was like "ohhh, its one of those episodes" i suppose any form of star wars show needs at least one "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type episode

[@nameynamename3758]

i'd like to see separatists who like the new empire at some point, many systems were mad they were ignored and left to deal with criminals

[@williamgroves3134]

Hopefully we will see some flashbacks to the Clone Wars and Cassain's early days in the Andor series.

[@prettyred8554]

The character development for Echo in this episode was *chef's kiss* 🤌

[@crimsoncarnotaurus]

"Separatist worlds being told to go back to work" if they were lucky. Some Separatist worlds for example in the novel Tarkin. The Imperial Moff ordered massacres on the moon of Antar 4, making no distinction of Separatists and those who were pro Republic during the war which caused a former Republic spy to start a rebel cell and attacked Imperial assets using a modified Providence class dreadnought.

[@monyetmulia]

1:45 Take a seat

[@busterbrown17]

The leader of the planet reminds me of the keiser of Germany

[@musicwarrior7630]

Some times good people live long enough to become the villain but I'd think on the other side of that coin bad people live long enough to become the good guy. But at the end of the day if I e loves his people enough there is nothing they wouldn't do to protect them. So I ask you what atrocities would you commit to protect your nation? Would you murder a village if it meant buying time for your people to escape a similar fate? Would you abandon a 100 so 200 could live? Would you use biological warfare to kill your enemy to Dave your soldiers from slaughter? When you can answer that after long thought and tribulation then maybe you'll have walked in the separatists shoes in this case

[@dekuthetechpriestoflondon6791]

This is why I love the CIS as a Faction they have resones for what they did.

[@thatrandomdudeonyt4085]

Idk if this has been posted on this video already, but I read somewhere in another video that the CSI and The Republic were very much like US and England. CSI was US trying to break away from England, The Republic. It makes a lot of sense, in my opinion, and I gotta admit, I would have gone with the Separatists. They knew all too well about the corruption and shenanigans The Republic was doing.

[@kittybuilderbunch7906]

It turns out that my friend watched the front and I watched geetlys but we didn’t know about the other channels and we felt weird finding out they were the same guy

[@hymiepolania]

Can you do more videos on Cassian Andor?

[@lordDenis16]

I was always for the sepies. Also can we just appreciate how good that Senator's uniform is aesthetically?

[@ruination9428]

I heard a few non clones in this episode slowly transitioning the clone army into the imperial one.

[@hac3359]

Loved the easter egg "live to fight another day"

[@zexalbrony4799]

Say, I just thought of something, while I enjoy Seps and Republic forces working together, I still wonder why so many former Separatists joined the Rebel Alliance since the Rebels full name was the Alliance to Restore the Republic? Considering many Separatists broke away because they didn't want to be a part of the Republic, it is a little strange so many would join an organization to recreate the Republic. Then again, maybe it's like what Ezra said, "I remember a time that was better than this, maybe not great, but better than this." So maybe it was a case of, the Republic sucked but it's still better than the Empire so let's help restore it.

[@fjanzesaventurien7487]

Nice Episode

[@lydiaives733]

Its why to me in war there is rarely an outright good and bad side

[@shoresean1237]

Here's a what-if: A cosmic event narrowly avoided in canon (planetary collision or somesuch) causes such a profound disturbance in the Force that Palpatine is exposed very early on, and, seeking what advantage he can salvage, a not-yet departed Dooku exposes his plans. So no Separatist council, yet still metric tonnes of the deep-DNA resentment the Rim worlds feel. The Separatist movement and the CIS still emerges, wholly absent the Sith or the Self-dealing corporatists no better than those in the Republic. Where do we go from there?

[@eXtremeStreamers]

You can't spoil it for me as I watched it so early they were still writing the script.

[@AngelDust6969]

Is it just me, or does the Separatist leader look like a British Officer from the 1800's?

[@halomika4973]

Greetings from germany, Geetsly‘s. May the force be with you!

[@geetslys]

And with you!

[@halomika4973]

@@geetslys Thank you!

[@CollinMcLean]

The use of separatism as a byword to shut down any ideas of dissent against the empire parallels the Red Fear of the cold war era, where the USA used communism, socialism, and marxism for the same purpose. Throughout Latin America you had countries continuously exploited by US corporate interests, they revolted to put in place their own governments, but because of US pressure they were then forced to turn to the Soviets a lot of the time because they needed the help. And wound up either getting absorbed by the Soviet Union or having their countries destabilized by the US. A personal favorite example of mine being Guatemala and Jacobo Arbenz.

[@mathisntmybestsubject8440]

“This is what happens when y’all lose a war.”

[@oprime0078]

As the years go by, I gain more appreciation for the CIS

[@makisonoda7925]

The Separatist movement was in effect the American Revolutionary War, the Republic government was the legitimate yet overly corrupt galactic institute of law. I don’t for a minute believe that the Republic government or Jedi space wizards were truly invested for the people of the galaxy. For all the flaws of the Galactic Empire it was a remarkable young stable government for nearly two decades without civil war or major revolution movement. My honest opinion is that the separatist movement of the CIS and Count Dooku ( the guy is remarkably under appreciated and villianized despite his honest belief in a better galactic society, human lead though it might have been. He was made a puppet in order to realize a goal he desperately desired.) so yes I agree that the Separatists were always the good guys.

[@RM-jq5vi]

Dooku did a lot of the exploiting himself. He did truly want to improve the lives of people, but to get to that goal he didn’t care how many people he stepped on. Remember, he killed a separatist senator for wanting peace with the republic. Tho it is very similar to the American revolution, especially because both had leaders who didn’t care much for the revolution and were more were seceding for financial reasons (them seceding is what kept them having slavery after Britian outlawed it)

[@makisonoda7925]

@@RM-jq5vi I have no argument against you, though I never claimed Dooku was a pure individual in terms of how he achieved peace for the galaxy. He only stayed a Jedi as long as he did because it was the only way he could make an impact in the galaxy. So yeah your opinion makes a lot of sense to me.

[@RM-jq5vi]

@@makisonoda7925 yeah. i dont think dooku was good at all, thats my opinion though. he was the main one who corrupted the good seperatist movement into a tool for him and his master. i can see why some may think different though, he was a complicated person.

[@makisonoda7925]

@@RM-jq5vi I don’t disagree with your opinion or reasoning. I can see why Dooku could be viewed as evil. But in my opinion no one in the Star Wars galaxy is 100% evil except Sheev Palpatine.

[@RM-jq5vi]

@@makisonoda7925 well exactly. No ones 100% evil. But to say that as a justification for him not being evil doesn’t make a lot of sense. Even if he’s not 100% he’s on the eviler side. Even more so than Vader since he actually in the end did care for family and did save his son. But of course we are agreeing with you each other so.

[@devaughnjohnson]

Yes, thank you someone gets it, the Sith had turned the Jedi and Republic into villains long before order 66. So don’t feel bad about Yoda and Obiwan having to live in the conditions they chose to ignore because it didn’t affect them.

[@mikecastro122]

I used to when i was a kid hate the separatists but the episode heroes on both sides opened my eyes and I always thought since then that the confederacy where the good guys the republic may seem good on the surface but they are brutal oppressors only after more power i do not get why so many sneatirs were adamant about the separatists being animals when none of them card about the outer rim. think about it during the clone wars how many times do you here about pirate attacks on innocent worlds once maybe twice because the droid army was there to protect the citizens. But before and after the separatists the outer rim was starving and lawless.

[@jeremy1860]

In the Clone Wars it was easy to side against the Separatists because of how bad their most prominent members were, but in hindsight, given that THEY weren't the ones who turned into a galaxy-spanning oppressive Empire, it might have been better for us to be rooting for them 😟

[@austinthe710messiah2]

I say the events of KOTOR era, were dominos to the Republic falling to where it is by clone wars era. Eres 3 was set on fire by the Mandalorians, it burned for a decade and probably still did for a thousand years, Serreco where the cities were turn into glass craters by orbital bombardment. Telos and Taris were bombarded from orbit while people slept, even restoring the planets was hard to finance for the republic. Katarr was purged of all life by a force user, killing the inhabitants and the Jedi who met there after the civil war to find the Sith. On top of it all, the Jedi would take the opportunity to be more involved, in the way that we see them in the films. But should it be Legends 4000 years before yavin? Or Retconned 2000 years before Yavin?

[@qr-code6334]

I think that the Old Republic stuff makes more sense to be retconned to 2000 bby rather than 4000 bby.

[@MrDude826]

Mandalore and Drumund Kaas were both Glassed by the Republic. Thus we can see how the Outer Rim hates the Republic as the Sith Empire and Mandalorian Empire were both in Outer Rim territories. Remember that the Sith people, their lenguage and religion were completely wiped out by the Republic. Could you imagine whole city worlds razed to the ground and whole generations of sith being killed? The Sith unlike the Jedi could fall in love and have children. So the Jedi and the Republic ethnically cleansed all those people...

[@fumarc4501]

All good things can be twisted to dark purposes. Idealism needs to be tempered with healthy caution.

[@xander2964]

I’ve been too broke to afford Disney plus the last couple weeks, and it’s killing me I can’t watch Geetsly, Metanerdz lore, Eckhardts ladder, or generation tech… when the tv series come out every episode is spoilers from these guys. Can’t wait to catch up so I can make sense of the references in these videos.

[@VaciliNikoMavich]

Well just remember this: the CIS are the proto-rebels.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

Republic has even participated in the Rim exploitation. I'm sure they exploited a few planets outside the Rim closer at home too.

[@reaperking7748]

Is it possible that we'll get a Bad Batch episode where the Imperial Senate was dissolved?