Why Sin Is Underrated

[@stairwaytoriven3823]

I know it will never stop but people need to start having more patience with these characters when they come out. Im in that category of “Well, let’s just wait and see how things develop.” But it’s just so tiring seeing people on DAY TWO going out on a limb and saying he’s awful or that he even sucks at all. He is FINE. He has some things that seem like sizable glaring issues but in general he is FINE. I’ve been winning most my games with him, I’ve been labbing a lot, and have been putting that effort in to bring out what I can with this character. Why doesn’t anyone else? Not even several hours after his release I saw people asking what all his BNB’s and Blockstrings are and it’s almost mind blowing to me. Why can’t anyone just boot up the game and look for these things themselves? I get that we have access to a ton of information now and that ease of access is enough to deter people from wanting to do things that aren’t optimal, but I would be lying through my teeth if I said a good portion of the community isn’t just incredibly lazy. Because this is just sad. We HAVE the frame data mostly displayed from the lovely people over at dustloop. Go crunch some numbers LOL. Either way, good vid. And I hope I’m not the only one who thinks that Sin is pretty good. And I love playing him. Even if he ends up being really bad in the future, I don’t even care because at least arcsys gave us a new toy to play with after that long while of complete silence. Gotta take what you can get :’)

[@Ikenhauer]

Appreciate the editing with examples and data.

[@AdamJorgensen]

I find it kinda ridiculous that there are any people calling Sin bad when he can juggle you from one side of the screen the other and wallbreak you 😕

[@mirror2922]

I actually don't understand it either, I mean I will admit imo it feels like fighting him is too bare bones linear but he is still new. A sin habit/floor 10 hivemind is what I call it at that very least is constantly going into overhead special at the TAIL end of blockstrings. I think its a terrible thing for a sin player to adopt as a habit. RPS is jank off of it, only really good for kara cancel since you can do that off the first hit. SIn's offense doesn't seem to command any sense of urgency he is a conversion machine and I have to say lot of this character difficulty comes from reacting and hit confirming the small interactions into big reward. Depending on the type of hit you get results may vary the easy wallbreak reward I like to do counter hit 2k 6h RTL, I haven't gotten a grasp of how the combo starter for dp is supposed to work. His backdash feels awful to use which is why I think the momentum he carries off of a knockdown makes getting your blockstring called out feel miserable. My overall opinion on the character is positive though truly Sol's Grandson with the damage he offers and the pressure he gets off 6k when spaced. Some people might say they're nothing alike but they just combined Sol's Damage with Ky's Wall Carry and it makes for some sick comeback potential

[@dingohunter4114]

I think Sin is like goldlewis and just a change or two away from being incredibly strong.

[@drftr6073]

it's funny how that works. usually not a doomer with new characters, but i felt pretty bad about sin day 1. i almost felt like they buffed the character right after day 1 hahaha. for some reason i felt like his fast normals always went through people and the slower normals always got stuffed. by day 3 i felt the opposite where 6p didn't even look like it'd connect but it kept hitting people out of all kinds of situation. good at chipping away at people's defense with the mix and also semi good at converting big opportunities into big damage. i like that he doesn't convert absolutely anything into full combo like nago does, but he gets the same damage if not more by fulfilling conditions and that is more fun by design.

[@-sugandeesnuts-]

Characters so fun sin main for life

[@unfortunateinc.205]

The issues that Ive noticed as a floor 10/9er is that he relies on his energy meter reaaaallly heavily for pressure and mixups. Unlike nago/hc/ram etc, his pressure doesnt string into itself. If anything, using your meter to pressure makes your further pressure LESS likely to succeed. At some point ur just not gonna have any more stamina and are just gonna have to end strings with raw specials or eat. Honestly a great design, moreso just shines a light on how nuts the top tiers are. He aint nago thats for sure

[@hawkswordzero2206]

Anyone dooming about Sin hasn't properly considered the full extent of his moveset, and more specifically the followup. All of his specials being lacking on block are balanced by the follow-ups being pretty nasty to eat a counterhit on or the fact he can do gazelle step into a grab. Granted if he's out of stamina it can be rough, but that's also on the sin player to play smart with their stamina. Coming off Goldlewis, Sin feels to me like a straight upgrade. I lose some damage, mostly if I don't have full stamina, but I get a DP, way better mobility, and excellent options for call out moves such as hoof stomp for crushing lows, elk to low profile, and beak for the extended no go zone. Sin is going to probably develop into a footsies based whiff punisher who blows you up for mistakes, using the threat of eat to encourage people to rush forward.

[@connorsutton8745]

As a fairly new Gio player, I find his special move mix up options, keep out game, and high damage to be very hard to deal with

[@Dr3am9553]

I think the main thing that going to get people to block and sit through elk hunt is that silly overhead. Because it low crushes so consistently and is ever so slightly faster you can't mindlessly fuzzy mash 2Ks to stop elk hunt if they are? Free overhead CH conversions. you can also do things like 5K 6K to catch similar fuzzy mashes. (which should trade most of the time)

[@kanata1901]

Fun fact is that Ram reversal super can punish Beak Driver on block and also a delayed follow up on it, be it either dash or 2nd hit, which is absurd in my opinion. Once u comitted to Beak driver and she blocks it, ur forced to use one stamina bar and be extremely minus so ye, 2P isn't the only option, feels a lot like Millia's 2K2D being reversal-able, i hope they'll fix it in december.

[@renann3]

It's like Leo being able to Eisensturm all of Anji's fuujin followups, including doing no followup, on season one

[@kanata1901]

@@renann3 Things like that should be patched imo, beak driver is "THE tool that made Sin who he is, if that midrange special is not usable because of a shitty lingering hitbox, that would be sad.

[@thirdstrike000000]

Nah Sin is like one change away from becoming a major problem.

[@raekwonchambers2297]

He’s definitely a solid character my only wishes is buff fs and BK and make elk hunt a bit faster and some eat buffs would be nice. It’s a cool concept but it’s definitely lacking in terms of benefits

[@thirdstrike000000]

If he got a buff on f.s and beak driver he'd automatically jump to top 5.

[@raekwonchambers2297]

@@thirdstrike000000 good let other characters have fun besides nago, happy chaos and ram

[@ErrorGaming64]

1:45 theres also a 2nd type of person without strong feelings on a character. With Bridget and Sin you have a bunch of people who say theyre fun and not much else thats evaluative

[@LordOfAllSwine]

He can practically break the wall off any hit anywhere on the screen when he has metre and when he hasn't got any metre he can still convert off most hits and take you straight to the corner and he does stupid damage, I honestly can't see an argument for him being bad but this does happen all the time HC is by far the best example when he came out everyone said he was trash and now look where he is quite possibly the best character in the game people need to chill before making ridiculous statements.

[@hockey1973]

Sin is IMO, the epitome of "when in doubt just 6P" 😄

[@bencegergohocz5988]

I play I-no and that shit beats everything...

[@cesarmelo5704]

Idk how good or bad sin is but dude is just fun af to play lol

[@aganaom1712]

I don't think he's gonna shake up much of anything meta wise and he has some immediately obvious problems with his kit at a fundamental level. But he's more interesting to watch than a lot of other characters and I think as long as people find him fun then it won't matter how good or bad he is unless it's severe which I I doubt is the case currently

[@it_is_kevin]

There are a couple top players, one in particular I'm thinking of, that do "Person 1" every single time a new character comes out. I don't know if this person understands that their influence in the scene means that when they post stuff like that, it really affects the way people view the character even if what is being shown isn't an honest representation of the character's strength. I agree that it is a bit annoying and I don't find it to be beneficial to the community.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

I don't think he's bad but I think his kit is very weird and not very cohesive. I feel like he's a few frame data adjustments away from being in that Testament tier of balance. His backdash is unique but I think it hurts more than it helps due to how backdash is basically a system mechanic now, and he's got a different but worse one like Videl Reflect. I also don't like how low reward his overhead is when they nerfed his neutral and made him want to go in more.

[@maxrusty3596]

I think he's top 3 fight me. Calling it first

[@jas3946]

You're tripping

[@maxrusty3596]

@@jas3946 I really do confirms into walbreak and big damage from anywhere and off anything, huge range on his buttons, a dp and high low mix into big damage. Your just probably listening to everyone else without thinking. This character is top tier imo but hes still no match for Ram or Nago those characters need to be brought down to earth it almost doesnt matter who the Nago or Ram is they all play the same and its super strong and hard to deal with.

[@jas3946]

@@maxrusty3596 In a game where Nago, Ram, HC and Leo exist. How in the fuck did you reach the conclusion he's top fucking 3.

[@maxrusty3596]

@@jas3946 I think you can argue HC is better but not leo.

[@jas3946]

@@maxrusty3596 You're actually hopeless