Why Skinks Are (Usually) Better Than Saurus - Lizardmen vs Dark Elves // Total War: WARHAMMER 3

[@jayfarrell932]

Those cold one knights getting spiked down at 3:50 by the Amazon barbs was brutal

[@b.o.b7197]

Hey thanks for the cast! I use saurus in this MU for basically the exact reasons you described but I do think they need a buff to their MA every since the primal instincts nerf. The mace version is pretty bad and red crested seems to out class them in the majority of MUs. Amaxon Barbs are a big carry piece when combined with a high slann. The unit stats covered it @4:40 but I got an overcast hand of the gods and they were able to do the majority of Crone's remaining health in a few seconds. It becomes a mobile automatic shotgun with the buff. My oppo was too much of a chad with the Crone pick but normally you can tempest and Hand of the Gods the pack to kill most of DE lords.

[@barfallamewshmecklehymer5028]

If you don’t mind me asking what application do you use to make maps Iv never really done modding but some map making in the halo and gmod haydays

[@b.o.b7197]

@@barfallamewshmecklehymer5028 I use Terry from the Assembly Kit that CA gives to anyone who owns wh3

[@redsalamander9999]

Saurus have always been one of those units that benefits heavily from support buffs due to their relatively low melee attack. But that 40 melee attack when fighting large for the spears explains a lot.

[@curtisbrown547]

I find it funny that razordons of all units don't have damage reflection, lol. They're giant porcupines dinosaurs!

[@therasco400]

Probably because damage reflection is a game 3 mechnic, and they are a game 2 unit. I hope they get it with a lizard rework though.

[@Kroq_Gar]

That's going in the BOK!

[@charlesman8722]

I honestly like the idea of a mid tier skink unit

[@Fr1kaD3ll37]

red crested skinks boom!

[@olafthemoose9413]

I wish redcrested skinks were a bit more expensive but better. They are good already but obviously If you push them to 600 gold they need stat buffs.

[@Hosheyakozilla]

I'd rather Saurus were just better and had an actual reason to be brought in most land battle matchups (they can still pretty good in Domination tho).

[@MichaelRimmer-qx8jp]

Constantly charging the Cold One Knights into Saurus Spears was odd.

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

Because skinks are adorable and provide a morale buff to the player. As well as a APM buff as he feverishly tries to keep them all safe.

[@shiggydiggy6847]

Mace saurus, dwarf and chaos dwarf great weapon units and plaguebearers are infantry units with relatively high weapon strength, but abysmal melee attack for the price point. In game 2 with large unit size infantry health pools very much smaller in relation to infantry damage output. So infantry that relied on charge bonus to connect their hits actually did their job. But this is not a thing in game 3 with ultra unit size, unless the infantry unit has RoR pigback rider level of insane CB. Offensive infantry with around 30 effective MA simply isn't doing anything in this game.

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

Wouldn't the damage output of infantry scale as well? After all, more models are now swinging an axe.

[@shiggydiggy6847]

@@PhilosophicallyAmerican Effectively no and I think it boils down to infantry charges doing relatively less damage against infantry on ultra unit scale compared to large. I don't know it for sure, but my guess is that charge bonus was enough in game 2 to kill two enemy infantry rows which is now relatively lot less with more infantry rows.

[@MrVlad12340]

I actually see lots of saurus in domination, they are great for slogging it out on control points and with just a bit of support they can handle a LOT of stuff.

[@alejandromoguel5739]

Maybe making the capture weight of infantry vary according to the price setting? Make a medium cost infantry have 1 extra capture point against low tier one?

[@Hosheyakozilla]

Saurus aren't that bad in Domination (still not optimal), they just suck in land battle because their slow, not that tanky (contrary to their tabletop counterparts) and can't hit shit due to low MA. Honestly, most elite and lightly-armored mid-tier infantry in Vanilla just isn't worth bringing in land battles because of the menagerie of things that just mulch infantry (defensible ones like Tzar Guard or Marauder Champions have a little more of a role). There are workarounds to this in the game's systems that can make mid to elite-tier infantry viable, as demonstrated by mods like Duke's Damned Nations (that mod has a lot of problems too though like roster bloat, heavily nerfed lords and heroes, and largely worthless missile troops and artillery) and, to a much lesser degree, SFO (which still has its share of overpriced and underperforming elite infantry). Infantry, both chaff and elite, usually have a stronger place in such mods (with monsters being shock troops that need to pick their fights or rely on support to get their best value and characters tending to be always outright support units in DDN). Doing this , however, would require big reworks to mass (increasing it for infantry and decreasing it for cavalry and monsters), big stat increases across the board, debuffs to single-entity healing and nerfing of spells that tend to just nuke infantry, etc. That or, I don't know, just really pushing the stats of underperforming mid and elite infantry into the horizon (though the feels kind of cheap). I doubt CA would ever want to invest the time and resources into an issue only a small minority of players care about.

[@naummw6328]

good anaylsis at end

[@artje90]

saurus just suffer heavily from their low melee attack and not the best way to buff them as lizardmen. great WD is kinda useless when you miss more then you hit, especially with not that amzing armor. either give them bit more MA or 20 armor and it would make a world of difference

[@R3GARnator]

Davh: I HATE SAURUS

[@ooferdoofer7091]

I HATE HOW THEY GOBBLED UP MY BRIGHT WIZARD LIKE A SLIM JIM

[@Raptor14v]

It is still pronounced Amazon, even if its spelled Amaxon. :)

[@BENJAMOSAURUS]

*sad bok*

[@zeggsy0554]

Where was that played? Just wondering cause under fruit rules we have to act like Slaans are SEMs, which would make this build 4 SEMs.

[@b.o.b7197]

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