Why So Many Boxers are Undefeated (and Why It's Kinda Easy)

[@Pwanchi]

A lot of top boxers are undefeated because they mostly avoid each other trying to protect that undefeated streak. That's why you have people like Manny Pacquiao that's ready to challenge anyone because he lost earlier in his career and doesn't need to protect an undefeated record (This is just a part of it, but you get the point).

[@rook1196]

Manny has fame, that's his draw. Most boxers don't. The 8 figures that Spence and Crawford will make from fighting each other will always be there, in fact the price will go up. However if they fought in their prime the loser no longer gets those 3-5M paydays for fighting guys who have no bidness being in the ring w/ them. Promoters are partially to blame, but they do this because the public wants undefeated fighters. So its delay, delay, delay, then fight when they are both well past their primes. The future "superfight" will just be Geezers at Cesears which is the story of boxing.

[@uncleruckus2487]

That’s most blacks boxers for you

[@Zero04kk]

8 division world champion is more hard to archive than 50-0

[@emanuelmartinez7267]

@@uncleruckus2487 oh look someone managed to bring race into a conversation that had absolutely nothing to do with race

[@Chris_EE]

@@Zero04kk 8 division champ lost to a 50-0 record holders

[@spaeduh]

I think the reason why their a lot of undefeated boxers because the top boxers don’t fight each other. It’s like they duck and run from each other that’s just my take.

[@woe6994]

Yep

[@Wuschi2001]

Tru

[@jbarbaro7752]

Yup that’s why I started watching UFC after being a die hard boxing fan in the pac Floyd era

[@JuanGarcia-dj2tt]

Shit that’s what imma do when I turn 18 and get out of amateurs and get my pro license imma just pad my record with easy fights till I’m like 15-0 or maybe higher then start taking hard fights so I can make more money having a 0 gets you paid more Even if your not as good as someone with a couple losses

[@thirtythree504]

@@JuanGarcia-dj2tt all you really gotta do at that point is call out major names and make ridiculous demands that they won't do and claim they don't wanna make the fight happen.

[@mchase4]

This is why the UFC has been growing viewership so much. The best fight the best and most defend their record over and over.

[@TheLastRager]

Missed your channel bro

[@tym0458]

yet ufc pays fighters 2k per fight while danas making bank

[@user-vt3vo1yd3v]

@@tym0458 The UFC is a business, you get paid based on how much you are worth, how much you bring in. If you don’t earn them any money, why should they pay you lots of money?

[@tym0458]

@@user-vt3vo1yd3v No you don't get paid how much you're worth, do your research before u claim bs, dana is known for not paying his fighters properly

[@eetfuk3571]

@@tym0458 still won't change the fact that you gotta make a noise to get paid more and top fighters are fighting each other so no questions will get left behind. look at Topuria vs Mitchell, both guys are not reaching their prime yet but fans wants to see them already and it happened immediately. that's how UFC works, Dana might not be a good person in terms of paying his fighters but he's really good at making fights and forcing them to fight each other unlike in boxing.

[@diogobittencourt5982]

This is why is almost impossible to be unbeaten in the UFC, in boxing you can have a belt fighting “Nobody’s” and then you can have the better competition because of the mandatory fights, but we all know that there are a lot of cherry-picking boxers so having a mandatory doesn’t mean shit. But in the UFC for you to get the gold you NEED to fight the best, at least the top 5 guys. Imagine Lomachenko having to fight Garcia, Tank and then getting the chance to fight Haney for undisputed, that shit will never happen!

[@NotAHippopotamus]

@CULI-FABRIZIO and Lopez and his overhyped ass with his coked out dad got smoked by Kambosos lmfao

[@vurshawn1358]

@CULI-FABRIZIO bruh don’t compare tank and Ryan tank actually fights competition and isn’t a clout chaser get ur facts right before speaking

[@andyying1770]

Agree except somehow Islam makhachev is fighting for the belt despite and his best wins are a short notice washed up hooker and tsarukyan on his debut

[@martinijazz9]

The risks of overcommitting and getting hurt is so much higher in MMA where the ref is less likely to break a slug fest to save you and give you a cooldown midround.

[@snapdowndarsee4959]

@CULI-FABRIZIO thanks captain obvious.

[@lewisb85]

Well the trouble with boxing is you're not allowed to lose and still have a career. Lose more than twice and they say you're finished. I watch a lot of muay thai and there are guys there with 120 plus fights and 18 losses, it's not the fact that they lose that's important it's whether or not they are able to get a win back over who beat them, in fact rivalries with fighters trading multiple wins/losses to each other are actually exciting as they get to know each other the more times they fight.

[@SirRoyalBeef62]

100 percent agree with you. Most boxing viewers are very casual so once a boxer starts losing their entertainment value diminishes and in turn their career falls too. Muy Thai though entertainment, is very deep within the scenes’ culture

[@lewisb85]

@@SirRoyalBeef62 Bare knuckle you're allowed to lose and come back from it as well. I think that's where the gloved boxing promoters/press etc have got it wrong, the story should actually be in a fighter who has lost coming back to relevance which some BK promotions have done successfully. I come from Blackwood Wales originally and got into boxing because supporting the hometown boy Joe Calzaghe but since moving to London and training in Boxing, Muay Thai and Savate and immersing myself in the culture of those sports you do ask yourself the question of "how good was joe really?" considering you could argue that some of his opponents were hand picked and some of his fights were clearly boring fights between fights.

[@lewisb85]

He’s in the minority also he’s an exciting fighter.

[@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd]

18 or so losses in over 120 wins is normal for top athletes of combat sports...Go back 70-100 years in boxing and you'll see this is normal.

[@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd]

@@SirRoyalBeef62, That is what happens when people fight 2-3 times a year on average. People become less interested as when you lose and sit on it for months and months, you lose momentum. Yassine Boughanem went pro in 2011. He now has 169 fights. Demetrius Andrade went pro in 2008 and has 31 fights...

[@caleb6590]

Because of Floyd’s career fans started to really value that 0, so now promoters/boxers are scared to lose the 0, so they take less risks. Dudes like tank and Jaime munguia are great examples.

[@alexlilano1931]

This is what happens when fans gorlified a cherry picker. Everybody starts cherrypicking. I mean it's a safer and easier route with no draw backs now. They used to call out people who cherrypicked, but now they still be glorified without really proving themselves to be the best. Floyd fans really want to prove that his undefeated means something and that he is the best, but it is extremely easy to do when cherrypicking is involved and Floyd is just a good boxer and no where near the best . He lost 8 times in the amateur and lost to to a Sliver medalist in the Olympics when he couldn't cherry pick.

[@rejvaik00]

@@alexlilano1931 Floyd Merryweather? That has his 50-0-0 I didn't know he lost in amateur and olympic 🤔 I gotta research this

[@kostastube2010]

Well, he lost to a youtuber after that 50-0...

[@Ibrahim.l20]

@@kostastube2010 what

[@kostastube2010]

@@Ibrahim.l20 Logan Paul, a youtuber, embarrassed him on their exhibition match.

[@krishcharan]

It's so funny how the "fans" escape all forms of blame. Take Anthony Joshua as a prime example - all these fans always complain about how the best don't fight each other and care too much about their 0 on their record but then when people like AJ fight the best and then lose, he suddenly becomes "the worst fighter ever" or "a horrible human being". And you could even see how that affected him mentally to the point where he just imploded post-fight to Usyk 2. The system with belts in boxing is definitely flawed but today's toxic culture is to blame as well.

[@vamoneygroup]

AJ ducked Wilder so he deserves criticism. You can't say he fought the best when he was avoiding certain fights.

[@krishcharan]

@@vamoneygroup Ignorant sheep like you are just proving my point. Do your research. In the past people were unsure who was telling the truth about those negotiations but it's since been confirmed that Wilder didn't want to take the fight.

[@andrayday8064]

@@vamoneygroup I love how you said he was dodging multiple fighters and only give 1 example of fighter known for stat padding his record with bums.

[@vamoneygroup]

@@andrayday8064 Wilder has at least 40 bums on his record. True indeed. But when he contacted AJ with 50 mil AJ went dark on social media. I'm not a monkey who can only repeat narratives given to me. If I want to fight you and you want to fight me, what will your language be? Will you be speaking in ambiguous language meant to confuse me? Or will you be trying to find the shortest possible route to put your fist on me?

[@vamoneygroup]

@@andrayday8064 AJ has been exposed as a fight who does not like challenges.

[@kermitthetoad9093]

We used to fight a lot at my old middle school and I was undefeated for a long time. I think my stats were something crazy like 78:0. Of course that was until I was fired.

[@borisyurinov4822]

Hahahaha

[@christianvirtudazo6187]

Hahahha

[@AndresAstua]

Hahahha

[@torarinvik4920]

That was magical!

[@petergriffen437]

Underrated comment

[@reversal]

Seeing this very thumbnail now after the Garcia vs Haney fight is funny

[@vodoumyers]

RIGHT! Garcia str8 demolished Haney. And made it look so damn easy too.

[@SESO420]

Exactly my thoughts

[@Lil-k47]

algorithm crazyyy

[@contenthouse2268]

Why Garcia cheated he was caught using PEDs 😂

[@SESO420]

@@contenthouse2268 proof?

[@victorf6672]

As a mma fan mostly, I do appreciate that our community isn't as fixated in 0 losses as boxing, you got guys like Jorge who had many losses and became the third biggest star in the sport, Charles is widely viewed as a top 5 talent even with, what, 10 losses in his record? That being said, the whole structure of the UFC also means lower fighter pay and situations like Gary Goodridge and Spencer Fisher, which are horrifying.

[@KasumiRINA]

Well everyone knows Mike Tyson despite tons of his losses, and barely any of these perfect record boxers are known at all.

[@Hemingway5000]

​​@@KasumiRINA "tons of losses" Mike Tyson lost three fights up until the Lennox Lewis loss where he looked completely washed and even worse in the McBride and Danny Williams fights even then it's only six loses out of 56 pro fights i think 😂 in mma a 50-6 pro would be an amazing record

[@feli2944]

Ever heard of khabib fans?

[@g_l_o_o_m_y_y]

In MMA fighters are way less scared to fight comp, if anything the top guys in MMA like Volk, izzy… will chase the tougher opponents to prove themselves

[@CommanderBunbun-fx5xu]

The consequences of losing a fight at high level boxing are greater than in MMA. The physical damage is different. Boxing require speed, power and skills. When you have someone outmatch you, you can add psychological damage.

[@6root91]

A lot of people know about this issue and have talked about it but this guy did a solid quantitative breakdown of it based of his own effort in spending a bit of time gathering these numbers. Props to him. Great work

[@High_Priest_Jonko]

Have we as a society stooped so low that we're congratulating this man for a few Google searches? Using statistics from Business Insider? That's genuinely terrifying... Praise him for the interesting idea, not his shoddy research

[@6root91]

@@High_Priest_Jonko I beg to differ. Where else have you seen a video where someone breaks this issue down numerically in a comprehensive way such as this? I've definitely seen this 'interesting idea' being discussed plenty of times before, more so using anecdotal evidence rather than an overall general one. Much of the day to day knowledge nowadays can be gained through a 'few Google searches'. Heck, if you want to go one step further, a 'few google' scholar searches. Why would that take away from my appraisal for this video. Furthermore, don't you think 'terrifying' is a bit of a shoddy word to use, but i digress, maybe it is harming society after all.

[@stttttipa]

I remember my kickboxing days, just as a recreational activity. Some heavy sparring in between gyms, but never went as far to get an amateur fight, let alone a professional one. Yet one weird day, a friend from the gym forwarded me an e-mail from some guy who was asking whether he would go into a pro kickboxing fight next month. Pro fight? That friend of mine was literally at the same level as I was, good enough for an amateur bout. Couple of e-mails in-between, it turned out the opponent would be a regional beast of a fighter who was waiting for a breakthrough. Luckilly my buddy said no. That fighter found another can to demolish and had 12-0 record with 10 ko/10tko's then.

[@BigMujK]

Missed Rocky moment

[@UY-SCUTInohomo]

Hahah these top fighter smurfing on new kid to protect his record

[@tominieminen66]

@@BigMujK More like missed suicide opportunity xD

[@versacedylanblue2367]

@@UY-SCUTInohomo smurfing 💀

[@smlyangz1829]

@@BigMujK fr missed rocky moment 😭😭

[@greiver179]

I'm undefeated right now! 0-0-0. And hopefully stay undefeated like that the rest of my life

[@EverettBurger]

A few years ago, I was doing some work for a state athletic commission. I was inspecting gloves and staying with the boxers/trainers in the locker room before their fights. After the first few fights, I noticed that all of the guys from my locker room kept winning. In fact, every single one of them did. It turns out that the state I was living at the time was know as a state where people go to pad records. Every match was a mismatch. I felt bad for one guy. He was paid his cash for the night, but he was so apologetic for losing quickly. He begged the matchmaker for a future bout. He really didn't realize that he was brought in to get an easy win for his opponent. Last I check on boxrec, he didn't have a second match. One of the winners kept...well... winning. A couple of years ago, I saw him on a Fox Sports card. It looks like his team was ready to cash him out. He was an undefeated main even fighter, but was outclassed and KOed rather early to a crafty veteran that has been in with world champs throughout his career. Last I checked on boxrec, he went back to fighting guys that wouldn't challenge him, or his records.

[@saucyhighlights5534]

What’s his name?

[@GarkKahn]

A friend of mine suffered that same fate, he had a great record fighting nobody after nobody, then when his first real fight was offered some years ago he got totally destroyed because the poor idiot "fell in love with his own legend" Personally i've won quite a few street fights but i know i wouldn't be able to win against a real pro unless i train seriously for that fight, and that's just to have a chance of winning

[@ccd1651]

@@saucyhighlights5534 Vanlenzuela

[@mg6240]

@@saucyhighlights5534 Anonymous Boxer

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

@@GarkKahn but are the stuntmen of WWE real pros? I mean I know some of them are.

[@poleag]

This was basically the plot of Rocky 3. Mickey was protecting Rocky by getting easy fights and he'd been refusing to fight Clubber Lang for years. That's why Clubber Lang started to publicly taunt Rocky and insult his wife. Of course, in the context of the film, it made sense. Rocky took a lot of damage in his fights with Apollo and Mickey knew that people like Clubber Lang could've seriously hurt Rocky. Which makes me think: is avoiding career-ending damage the real point of all this record-padding? If you only take fights you can win, you can stay healthy and have 50+ fights, make lots of money, and ride off into the sunset. Makes a lot more sense than getting knocked out in half of your fights and being broke and punchdrunk at 40 years old.

[@Axel-MMA]

I've been waiting for someone to cover this topic forever. I've always had a distaste for undefeated fighters, and I think that goes back to my roots as a boxing fan. In MMA, being undefeated actually means something. There's quite a few padded record people, especially in Russia and Brazil, but they almost always get exposed eventually and never make it big, and if they do then they get exposed in a big organization. There's a few anomalies like Khabib (that is a bit hated by some for retiring too early and protecting his undefeated record, much like a boxer, but he did fight quite a few top guys). Boxing is literally the only sport on Earth with this problem, and I don't really know why the 0 is so important in this sport. I guess we have Floyd Mayweather to blame for some of it, but it's killing the sport. If the best fought the best when they should, I'm sure we'd see the amount of undefeated boxers in history drastically go down, like more than half of these fighters would've lost. That's just some of my 2 cents, great video. It's awesome to see someone bringing to light padded records. Keep up the good work man!

[@boutdatstrenuouslife9747]

Half of khabibs record is full of Slav Uber drivers and as soon it starts to pick up....he retires😑 and I don't hate khabib Pound 4 Pound best grapplers ever...but I can't call him GOAT for anything.

[@DRACOFURY]

Japanese MMA Promotions Was A *PRIDE* Example

[@DRACOFURY]

@@boutdatstrenuouslife9747 Big Facts... But... *He Did Beat The Who's Who In The UFC...*

[@MomDoer-qc7iw]

@@boutdatstrenuouslife9747 and you ignore that he made everyone in the top 10 look like amateur fighters Everyone starts out fighting bums, it just so happens he never lost to any of them, and then continued to not lose to anyone in the UFC.

[@boutdatstrenuouslife9747]

@@DRACOFURY Justin,Conor,Dustin,Dos Anjos probably his best wins. But man.. no Ferguson,Chandler,Olivera or a move to welterweight where he can really challenge himself... He never really went against a top notch grappler like himself.. Welterweight is Wrestler heavy. So much left to be desired.

[@wetwrkinc.5122]

It means the "best" boxers aren't fighting each other. Boxing has been broken since forever. There needs to be a league, with proper rankings, a season, or playoffs. There is no limit on imaginitive thought. Human beings can absolutely come up with a lucrative way to organize the sport. A shame we may never see it come to fruition.

[@vince11harris]

It’s the fans fault as well

[@wetwrkinc.5122]

@@vince11harris Agreed bro.

[@lennellwaltonboxer]

You want a league when IBA just got kicked out of the Olympics for boxing manipulation. Who’s gonna run this league?

[@Laker.Boy.]

Ummmm take a few pointers from ufc and other mma organizations? Easy

[@wetwrkinc.5122]

@I Voted For Biden And Love Abortion It took you two words to invalidate the rest of what you were trying to say. You literally said "the ONLY way this is feasible...." That is factually, scientifically, categorically incorrect. You can literally disprove what you've started your argument with in two seconds. Factually. Without argument. Think before you type.

[@TKCEDM]

I view boxing rankings a lot like college sport rankings, specifically in football. You can have teams near .500 (in that their losses are almost equal to their wins) but still be ranked in the top 25 teams solely because they've played some incredibly difficult teams and the people ranking take that into consideration. The difference is that college sports fans are pretty aware of this, and as a result, networks are hesitant to promote a team as "undefeated".

[@sawyernorthrop4078]

That's a lot more the NFL than college tbh. For playoff aspirations, you might get in with one loss in college but a second effectively ends your chances. In the NFL you can get into the playoffs at 10-7 or sometimes even 9-8

[@zachs.4371]

@@sawyernorthrop4078 Well that's moreso because the NFL allows 14/32 teams in the playoff as opposed to 4/129 in FBS. There's just bound to be 4 good teams with one loss or less at the end of the season, regardless of how you schedule them.

[@diogobittencourt5982]

And let’s be honest, having a unbeaten record in todays era is not that impressive at all, there are so many “Pro” boxers that clearly should not be in the ring, just look at that Pineda guy that KSI fought, i know amateur boxers that would kill that guy.

[@420Jelbaz]

Facts we all probably have a friend that has done martial arts their whole life who does something else as their day job that could mess that guy up

[@jayoneinternationalesq.3072]

All KSI did was expose what everybody in boxing gets up to And what boxing ppl demand of Jake Paul is totally counter to what is expected of legit boxers

[@sepg5084]

A "lot" of undefeated boxers? Misleading title. How many % of professional boxers are actually undefeated? You know, not just top boxers.

[@talk-supersix-seven6021]

Yeah compare these people to Sugar Ray Robinson, that man would fight anybody, he had 200+ fights!!!

[@alehlete830]

bro anyone can bea tpeneda

[@Fndijdennd]

There needs to be a boxing promotion that works like ufc. One belt for each weight class, fighters have to fight fighters at their skill level to advance in ranking, top guys Must fight for the belt of the division they're in. But sadly that will never happen. Edit: Unless Dana decides to bite the bullet and start the boxing promotion he's always talking about

[@jay_volpe]

You do that, you take away the would-be boxers negotiation power.

[@Fndijdennd]

@@jay_volpe Negotiation power is the problem, boxers shouldn't be able to cherry pick Jimmy the journeyman as an opponent to defend their "International north American European super welterweight championship" They should have to fight other skilled boxers to actually show who's the best boxer in the division and their should only be one belt for division, so competition would be really high.

[@thirtythree504]

@@jay_volpe thats how you get world champions fighting taxi drivers. Which is a regular thing in boxing

[@Disconnect350]

God no. UFC rankings are a joke and most top fighters have just as many padded records. Also, modern UFC is literally killing the actual sport of MMA, don't get me started on those bland awful uniforms.

[@jay_volpe]

@@Fndijdennd that only brings us back to the classic arguement between boxing as a whole and ufc. boxing is a money driven business where the boxers, promoters AND networks make fights based on what only makes sense (are you a draw? Is this equal match making, are we building are next prospect, what are the projected profit margins, etc etc). That model is the polar opposite compared to ufc, where ALL the fighters are centralized and contracted. ufc fighters dont negotiate, not out of choice but because they cant! they cant do endorsement deals, they cant fight as often as they would like. they fight for pennies on the dollar. mcgregor being the only exception. to simply things, think of boxing as a free market and ufc as socialism.

[@r1tzy5551]

This thumbnail is ageing beautifully

[@AgentSeventyOne]

The KSI vs the ACTUAL pro fight is a perfect example of this. I know they had to scramble to find a guy to replace the two that were cancelled, but I think it serves as a good example of this. The event itself was mostly entertaining. I really wish boxing had a single organized main promotion. It would be the best thing for the sport.

[@somedude3977]

Would be horrible for their pay

[@AgentSeventyOne]

@@somedude3977 True, the fighters that can get good ppv views would never go for it.

[@dontworryaboutme6410]

It's a shame, I really enjoy the 90s hbo programming, similar to the all access on showtime.

[@mpforeverunlimited]

That would be good for the fans but not the fighters. Even mma isn't that bad as there's a little bit of competition

[@treacheroustrouser4652]

@@somedude3977 no your wrong. Just because you pro debut doesn't mean you ur worth 20k show 20k win

[@Elnont]

The reason why Chavez’ 0 was such a big deal back in the is cos he fought the top boxers (as well as easy fights obviously) to get where he was. He sure had ‘activity fights’ but he fought multiple hard fights (Rosario,Mayweather,Laporte,Ramirez,Martinez etc)and still kept that 0. It was the same with Floyd Mayweather. By just avoiding the hard fights it doesn’t mean anything today.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Interesting fact Ali vs Frazier 1 was the first ever heavyweight world champion title fight with two boxers with undefeated records. The undefeated record became more and more popular to have, until now it's standard.

[@RaulRamirez-jv4rn]

Floyd was responsible for the obsession with keeping that 0

[@football_fan96]

The 5 greatest heavyweights ever all had losses on their record. Its what made them great, fighting the best and taking risks

[@gold9994]

@@RaulRamirez-jv4rn Because that's his draw. He's famous as an undefeated 50-0. Remember that he's a defensive boxer not by choice. His hands are brittle and he broke it couple times in his amateur and early professional careers. If he were to lose that "0", guess what happens to his draw? Maybe still high, buf half of his usual numbers. On the other hand, Pacquiao, Alvarez, Tyson, they're just a naturally bigger draw than Floyd Mayweather (purely for entertainment standpoint). You're looking for full-on action, not a boxing clinic masterclass.

[@m3an583]

a problem you don’t mention is the fact that because of that low barrier of entry, a new guy with amazing potential can’t face someone who made a name for their self because it will seem to the public eye that he has chose an easy fight and it won’t sell. this puts the fighters in a loop that obligates them to stat pad to mount the ranks and face the big dogs

[@jamesmayle3787]

The Bible is truth. Please read at least three books, Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness genuinely inside your heart. That’s the key that makes it all click

[@cryoboy]

@@jamesmayle3787 I'll pass.

[@jamesmayle3787]

@@cryoboy God is love hope joy peace and light. Like a collective wavelength of those frequencies all though time space. Like a cube, but we’re on a 2d plane. Those are the edges we can perceive. We were made in God’s image. The image of Love. That’s why forgiveness is so important. Everything Jesus Christ taught leads you to the one truth of the universe. The problem is it’s a path, only you can walk it. Buddy, God is love. To forsake him is to forsake all that he is. Please take your salvation seriously. Just give god a genuine attempt. Read those three books, like forty pages, and do the inner healing Jesus Christ taught. Please

[@cryoboy]

@@jamesmayle3787 No.

[@volleyball_t-raining]

@@jamesmayle3787 yo can you not, this ain’t the right time nor place to preach. It’s shameful enough typing it online and not in person

[@twenty-2923]

Boot has one of the most manufactured records out right now. Dude hasn’t fought anyone yet is called one of the best

[@amgfresh154]

And some people put him on the p4p list

[@Reeeenaaatooo]

He fought lipinets and dulorme, that are ok names

[@jj5666]

Cool, so tell the top guys to fight him. He's been calling for them and all they've been saying is they can beat him. Virgil blatantly said that fight would be 5 years down the line.

[@boutdatstrenuouslife9747]

Boots passes the eye test, dulorme and lipinets are solid.. lil bit overrated,but does deserve praise.

[@justraytoday5357]

I mean have you seen him fight though I have a feeling he will beat either Spence or Crawford

[@JacobLopez-yz8nl]

This thumbnail funny asf. Both arent undefeated anymore

[@aceofspades58]

I wanna see fights like the Ali Frazier fight. Rivalries who are matched in skills go toe to toe, and if you lose, you get up and fight again to get redemption. Gives the winner something to lose, and the loser something to gain, which makes a much more exciting fight.

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

The padded record a lot of the time is a real problem even for people who are not undefeated, so many early fights are against people who are really poor opposition. You can rack up 20 fights unbeaten by fighting the pro equivalent of bum fights. I think the number of fights you are likely to have nowadays is a big reason for protecting your record though, Sugar Ray Robinson was able to lose almost 20 times but he had 201 fights, nobody is getting near that number nowadays once they become a legit recognisable name.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

True ! Also. .....purses nowadays are so big the top guys - in fact even guys not quite top level only need to fight once or twice a year. They're millionaires ..already.!

[@constantine7382]

And because of what you point out, NONE of these guys will ever be mentioned along side Robinson, or Greb or Armstrong or a hundred other TRULY great fighters. They will be forgotten, like mayweather will be, and will have no one to blame but themselves.

[@tullochgorum6323]

Now that we understand the dangers of concussion to long-term health, there are good reasons why no-one these days builds a 200 fight record. Too much danger of ending up as a vegetable in later life...

[@xavierjuno4572]

​@@tullochgorum6323Ya I mean for as much as people hate it when fighters dodge each other, there are some legitimate reasons behind them

[@SadBirbHours]

One of the reasons I Stan Naoya Inoue so much is that his fists are rated E for everyone. Guy won a title in his 4th fight and since then has done nothing but hunt down belts and defend his throne.

[@lightpost2239]

the only high rated opponent that inoue faced are donaire and Rodriguez

[@lightpost2239]

he dodges casimero a lot of times he even choose to fight dipaen who is obviously an easy opponent compared to casimero

[@SadBirbHours]

@@lightpost2239 I would like to see him put down Casimero just to put the argument to bed nice and for all but at the end of the day it’s up to Casimero to make enough noise and impact to earn the fight and he just hasn’t. Inoues on to bigger and better things now. Besides Casimero dodged Butler twice which is why he got stripped of his belts, he can’t say anything against inoue who has fought and won every mandatory.

[@lightpost2239]

@@SadBirbHours we can only see the fight if inoue accepts the challenge

[@SadBirbHours]

@@lightpost2239 He won’t, he’ll beat Butler then move up in weight to fight Fulton.

[@razor23Ukraine]

Lomachenko has got 2 losses already and I'm still freaking dying to see his next fight. Every performance of his is an art, every opponent is top class! The same is applicable to Usyk!

[@romlans3941]

Well they were both trained by lomas father and they are absolute beasts

[@KasumiRINA]

I want that russia lover Usyk to get his ass kicked too... I can't stand his faux patriotism with how he acted for most of first 8 years of the war.

[@constantine7382]

But he is one of VERY few fighters that really has a resume. He's fought good guys from the get go. I respect the Hell out of that. Loses mean nothing. We'll rank him when his career is over but his resume is far better than Haney, Davis, Spence or Crawford.

[@sabin97]

hehas 2 losses because he doesnt duck anyone. he wants to always fight the best. and when you fight the best you will lose sometimes. mayweather jr always ducked the best in their prime. when they were already on the decline, then he wanted t fight them.

[@donchi1234]

@@sabin97 Floyd beat more world champions including hall of famers and TOP 10 P4P fighters than Loma’s professional boxing record...Loma has 19 fights and Mayweather beat 22 world champions lol..I love how you all jealous that your favorite fighter will never be on Floyd’s level...Floyd was an underdog when he was Pretty boy in almost every fight..when he won the opponent suddenly was either too young or too washed...laughable...what about Loma giving the belts to Devin Haney btw?

[@bakkuappu]

I love how both boxers on the thumbnail are now defeated 😂😂 EDIT: based on the drug test issue, might just be ryan 😂

[@makhtar6029]

I was just thinking the same thing to, when I saw this on my algorithm

[@shooby117]

Was just about to comment this lol

[@shooby117]

Was just about to comment this lol

[@titanszs]

was not just about to comment this lol

[@ishmaeelkadriboxing4229]

As a current pro boxer (3-0) you've got extremely valid points bro. Love from South Africa :)

[@lostplug]

Very Big Fan

[@user-zv5tn5qo9v]

@@lostplug 🪰🪰🪰🪰

[@constantine7382]

BEST of luck to you. Hope you do well. Don't be afraid of tough fights. It will help you in the long run.

[@ishmaeelkadriboxing4229]

@@constantine7382 Hey bro !! I really appreciate your comment & you're absolutely right about tough fights and going the rounds it's all to help you in the long run, I'm 4-0 now 🙏🏼

[@constantine7382]

@@ishmaeelkadriboxing4229 Outstanding. That's tough, despite people here thinking it is " easy." What is your weight, I'll keep an eye out for you?

[@henryreturns1397]

I am a bit late but kind of agree. Imagine protecting your “record” just because you cherry pick your fights rather than going against the best because of “there is no incentive on picking a fight you would lose” and you kept your record. They could do so many things to change this broken and stupid system but choose not to.

[@icemike1]

You act like that doesn't make sense

[@timbradshaw5481]

imagine getting a 7-10 record and becoming so worthless that you need a second job because you rushed in and fought equal competition thinking you were being honourable. It's like when everyone cheats during tour de france, if you don't you lose and there goes your success in the sport. You have to follow the winning strategy to succeed.

[@TraktorTarzan]

@@timbradshaw5481 I think its ruining the sport, and why UFC is growing so fast. All though you could argue that youre ruining the talent in UFC cause they get too difficult opponents, too fast, iin some cases.

[@grimriffer69]

@@timbradshaw5481 Thanks Floyd.

[@timbradshaw5481]

@@grimriffer69 you're welcome SlimRiffer29

[@reymalone5666]

in my opinion this was started by mayweather. He had marketed himself(his record) to its full potential. Promoters saw how easy to market an undefeated record and as long a fighter stays undefeated followers would continue to grow. After that, everybody followed suit. From promoters(AL Haymon, De la hoya, Hearn ETC.) to fighters that duck other fighters who they dont believe they can beat. preserving their "0" means $$$ to these promoters and fighters.

[@stephencooper3583]

I wouldn't blame one fighter. He's a product of the environment, ya know? Besides he (or any other fighter) couldn't have done it unless the system allowed him to do it. Another problem that made it worse was when the WBO became another sanctioning body (making it 4 instead of 3). That happened in 1988 but it didn't really take off until the mid 90's... around when Floyd was fighting. All of a sudden, it became that much easier.

[@CraftySouthpaw]

The trend started *LONG* before Mayweather. It dates back to at least the '50s with fighters like Gil Turner and Chuck Davey challenging for the WW title with unbeaten records. This coincided with the rise of televised boxing, & Turner/Davey's records helped make them among boxing's first TV stars.

[@ericktellez7632]

You made the right decision with the thumbnails, the white background and black letters for some reason makes people click also titles with “why” or giving the notion that you will be explaining something gets them to click as well, you cracked the algorithm with less than 20k subs

[@pappy374]

I remember years ago there were two boxers fighting each other and they were both something like 6 fights and 6 losses, and the commentator said "Somebody's 0 has got to go" and I damned near fell of my chair from laughing.

[@vince11harris]

This comment is exactly why boxers protect their 0 now

[@daveviloria9396]

Would be funnier if it ended in a draw.

[@Anne6972]

Basically it goes like this: Get signed to a top promotional network. Build up a record of 10-20 or even more fights against guys that are nowhere near your level in order to obtain a highlight reel and be more marketable. Fight for a regular belt against a fighter with another padded record or one that's more marketable (33-2-1 or something along the lines of that) "This guy is the next big thing, he beat an experienced veteran!" Wait for the current major champion to vacate their belts and fight for those, or fight a B rate champion who you know you can beat. Hold the belt hostage or move up in weight Repeat Boxing is in such a sad state as it is. I'm also not saying that there are undefeated champions out there that don't deserve the record they have. Some have been beating top competition or actual solid contenders right from the get go, but there are so many out there that haven't fought anyone on their level to date and still get so much recognition and respect despite not doing anything to deserve it. Just because you lose doesn't mean your career is over, all the greatest fighters of all time have lost to someone and they're still recognized as great. This mindset is a plague and has to be taken care of.

[@DarkChocolateDrop]

god dayum this nigga typed a whole essay 🤣

[@KasumiRINA]

I mean I remember Klitschkos having belts they didn't bother defending for YEARS and their few losses being more stupid mistakes than anything... and the guys promoted as big competition to them i.e. Valuyev, quitting sports instead of going for a fight. It smelled bad even then. But at least big names like Lewis or Tyson had some losses, and nobody considered them over or bad because of that. 0 losses means you haven't fought even match yet.

[@gh0st.24pp]

Crazy How the two on the front cover have both been defeated now.

[@forgottenrights351]

From what you said, it's like a surgeon having a great survival record for a dangerous surgery because he just has someone else do the more vulnerable patients.

[@ratedgui]

dude your content is a breath of fresh air in terms of proper truthful (generally) takes on the sport. I say generally because there are little things that take some credibility out your videos like you lumping in dazn as a boxing promotion with PBC and Top Rank when its actually a streaming platform where the third promotion you meant to put Matchroom goes. other than that keep it up.

[@mushifty440]

It’s crazy to think that the thumbnail is outdated now.

[@user-bh7pj4fz1w]

At least it shows boxing heading into a better place with more super fights and less cherry picking

[@ChemicalXII]

"Devin Haney is the undisputed champion, who has fought champions; Ryan Garcia is a social media personality; they are not the same. - - - - 'Everyone wants to be Floyd Money Mayweather, no one wants to be Pretty Boy Floyd.'. Devin Haney.".

[@philrupp7767]

He fought a one hit wonder and a shot to pieces former champ who would have smoked him in his prime

[@luckilew]

Devin hasn't fought anyone and isn't going to fight anyone.

[@ChemicalXII]

"Notice how those folks didn't say anything about Ryan Garcia. Very telling of their agendas. Still, even with all their crying, Devin Haney is the undisputed champion of the world!!!!!!!!!.”.

[@luckilew]

@@ChemicalXII hell Ryan aint fought nobody either. One thing I do know is that next May or February Devin is going to get served up to Loma because Bob wants the belts off of him.

[@askkicjndnnsjidnx115]

😅😅😅

[@thirtythree504]

I hate boxing. Top guys duck each other. So many belts nobodies can call themselves champions. Real champions hardly ever fight number one contenders. When you do fight a top contender and lose everyone calls you a can and claim you were never good

[@LegalizeTheNuclearBomb]

I used to be really into the sport but waiting 2 years to see a single title fight got super boring. You could not watch the sport for over a year and still more or less see the same records from your favourite fighters. Most fights are super predictable so you can guess what their records will be before you even check Boxrec. Things just happen frustratingly slow.

[@mrwabbit9576]

I used to religiously watch boxing, then got BT sport as part of my WiFi package and watched UFC one night boxing wasn't on. It's so much more organised and professional. They promote fighters so much better, you don't have to know anyone fighting because they UFC tell you their story as they make their walk to the cage and get you invested. They'll explain their style and what they do well. You pick up favourites that you like and then in a few weeks you see them fighting again because the UFC likes fighters to remain active and fight better opponents. The whole thing is way more compelling. Usually in boxing the only fight worth watching is the main event, sometimes the co-main is decent....if you're lucky. The rest are all just guys you've likely never heard of and the promotors make no effort to make you invested.

[@kevyonphillips-ellis8675]

Some of these old cats just be mad because the betted on the wrong person 😂😂 that he that beer talking.

[@KasumiRINA]

Imagine if Klitschko could run unopposed for third term as mayor same way he held onto boxing belts for like a decade without real challenges. xD When it's literal YEARS between each fight it's really easy to get desensitized to the sport.

[@murb2586]

Boxing has got to be the most fixable mainstream sport, thank God most of the promoters and executives guiding its direction are so incredibly honest, transparent and straight-laced.

[@hbrandon947]

Top boxers are so good at their craft, that they even know how to bob and weave away from other top competition, absolutely stunning!

[@Brordin1457]

I’m mainly an MMA fan. But I’ve started to get into boxing and this channel has helped me alot to understand things. So thank you. It’s you and joe vincent docs that make me understand the game and the history more!

[@TJWALKERWRESTLING]

Watch CDTV great boxing channel

[@Brordin1457]

@@TJWALKERWRESTLING i think i’ve come across it! Thanks for the tip, I thought i would get called a dirty casual because i’m new to boxing😂 that’s how the MMA community is

[@TJWALKERWRESTLING]

@@Brordin1457 I’m sorry I meant to say BLTV boxing

[@Brordin1457]

@@TJWALKERWRESTLING oooh that one i know! He makes great historical content

[@sonofsteppes8772]

It's quite funny to see this video popping up in my recommendations when both Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney lost their perfect records in just a year-long period of time

[@SuperTommox]

George Foreman was defeated by Alì, but then he came back in an amazing way. Nowadays, you can't do that in boxing. That's why Ngonnou had to start in MMA. He really wanted to box.

[@omarthecostar]

This fascination of undefeated record is very recent in my opinion which is actually hurting boxing in many ways. Promoters, Franchise belts, and undefeated records are really hurting boxing. De la hoya fought everybody

[@Jonathan-ek7ky]

Floyd fought everybody and beat everybody

[@TeemoQuinton]

@@Jonathan-ek7ky notorious cherry picker. Floyd mayweather

[@stylesheetra9411]

​@@Jonathan-ek7kyhe fought only if they had smaller reach than him 🤡🤡 And in any big fight he brought with him Bayless

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@Jonathan-ek7ky Incorrect.

[@jeremyseaton4898]

Naoya Inoue was fighting world class opposition almost from the jump, debuting against someone who was 16-4 if I recall correctly. So his unbeaten record is pretty impressive. As far as MMA goes, the barrier to entry is incredibly easy, far easier than in boxing, I'd say. It is a higher barrier to entry if you only consider top promotions like the UFC, One FC, Bellator, etc. But if you consider how difficult it is to simply become a professional MMA fighter who competes on local cards, then MMA absolutely has a lower barrier to entry.

[@brandongreen6846]

Dude I’m so happy you make these type of videos! I was literally just about to ask my boxing coach why being undefeated was such a big deal when almost everyone is undefeated.

[@bizmonkey007]

Basically “undefeated” fighters are carefully crafted by management teams and promoters with the hope they’ll become big name attractions and draw money. Their first ten fights are typically gimmes to develop their professional experience and build their name. After a certain point, the fighter is meant to take a big step up and challenge themselves. The issue with that is no promotion these days wants to see their golden goose lose, especially to a fighter from a different promotion. As a result many undefeated fighters are kept in a protective bubble. It’s unlikely for example, that either Charlo will face Canelo or Benavidez for example.

[@BouncingTribbles]

I remember looking into this when I was really into MMA a few years ago. It's funny finding an undefeated (or even with just 1 or 2 losses) fighter and most of their opponents have literally the opposite record. You don't hear about all the guys who are 1-10

[@jakebyronjones]

In particular example this certainly explains why Amir Khan turned down various fight offers from Kel Brook across about 15 years! It also explains why having a few losses but mainly wins on your record can still mean you're an all time great in your divisions. Eg like the likes of Roy Jones Jnr, Paqman, GGG, Naseem Hamed, Mike Tyson, Ali, Larry Holmes etc as all immediately spring to mind! Losing a couple does not mean you're not a historical stand-out in your weight divisions when you fight loads of other top boxers! I feel this definitely applies in Paq Man's, Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Roy Jones Jr's cases as well as the Kilitscho brothers too! Thank you! I'm going to suscribe to your channel now because of this original and insightful video!

[@nickdiaz9661]

I mean just look at the “pro boxer” ksi just fought last night. A lot of “undefeated” boxers fight these type of opponents because it’s so easy to go pro

[@kevintheboxer27]

It pissed me off how much they used the undefeated word. Like even with guys who just got their pro first pro win. “1-0 his undefeated”😂

[@kevintheboxer27]

@hgn116 yeah basically 😂everyone is undefeated.

[@cloutlordree3057]

Yeah that's why you're a undefeated pro right? Foh you probably wouldn't be undefeated in the amateurs

[@bensylver5113]

@@cloutlordree3057 lmao amateurs is diferent no one is undefeated there

[@Glaithius]

@@bensylver5113 wrong, a lot of boxers are undefeated in amateurs

[@tim..indeed]

I think what boying needs is some kind of elo number where winning against worse boxers will give you less points and you have to fight the best to keep going up.

[@Celeste_engill]

Floyd’s undefeated record is still impressive bc he fought anyone the people would think could beat him

[@mrspud2547]

hmm

[@soypinoy5251]

He won half of his fights via robbery and fought people way past their primes

[@SimplyThatGuy12]

Lmao he fought Conor who never boxed before or at least hasn't been in a ring. Conor would kill him in the octagon.

[@TheCaptainhowdy11]

@@soypinoy5251 lies

[@ashcatchem8993]

@@soypinoy5251 cap

[@icyBulls]

The lack of competitiveness and the focus on perfect records will be boxings downfall. I really hope boxing changes, somehow, but it’s sad that it may never change.

[@historyianbrazilian4987]

Yeah fr. This ain't a new thing in boxing but search up Sam Langford and boxing stars from the 1890s-early 1900s. Lots of these guys have plenty of losses but it didn't really matter.

[@John_on_the_mountain]

That and the lack of a unifying body. When a sport can have multiple heavyweight champs, people dont take it so seriously

[@TheKiddGamer]

That thumbnail is very ironic now

[@colinbrynolfson879]

You’ve put together a really simplistic video with credible information and easily understandable focal points. Earned my sub👍

[@Sqauredcircleboxing]

my guess would be also the fact that there is a lot of amateur fights. in MMA youll have 10-20 amateur fights in boxing depending 80-300

[@vivelajonny]

What does that have to do with it?

[@TheCristianalvarez]

I'd say less a lot MMA fighters have less than 10 amateur fights

[@lennardusyoutube8505]

@@vivelajonny you get a lot of experience in these amateur fights. And you'll get to see many different styles of fighting where as if you skip a large amateur career you aren't prepared for the massive amounts of styles that exist in MMA

[@snapdowndarsee4959]

@Henzo8i8 you're starting to see guys who have a bunch of amateur fight's now. Muhammad Mokaev was 23-0 as an amateur.

[@vivelajonny]

@@jamtime4978 Where'd you get that from? Amateur MMA fights most definitely are seperate from your pro record. Idk why youre just making shit up lmao

[@joshthemac]

And now 1 year later the two in the thumbnail both are no longer undefeated

[@Erick-uf6gi]

I get they're being fed cans, but can it be more of a flaw of the professional matchmaking system? I mean if you have two pro fighters with a record of 0-0, but one guy has an amateur record of over 300 fights with better training and an olympic medal, of course hes going to fly through the first 10-20 fights

[@cloutlordree3057]

These clowns don't get that and use 0 context

[@sexwaletokyo7639]

@Vercingetorix yeah but those Europeans with 15- 20 fights are almost in there 30s while the Americans are barley kids In their teenage years or early 20s, European value amateurs more, countries in North America value becoming a pro faster that’s why you can go to Mexico at the age of 15 and become a pro fighting grown men with pro rules, so there’s no difference in having a long amateur career and turning pro when your a teenager

[@natertotgaming1246]

It’s the fighters that are ducking not the matchmakers.

[@vince11harris]

I personally believe fans play a big part. It wasn’t like the old days where you could have a Duran type record and be considered good. If you lose twice fans will call you trash, overrated etc and thus you probably won’t be main eventing a fight thus losing money. Regis Prograis is good example of this 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@jamesmayle3787]

The Bible is truth. Please read at least three books, Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness genuinely inside your heart. That’s the key that makes it all click

[@sld_gloccem]

@@jamesmayle3787 ain’t nobody reading dat bullshit gtfo😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@ballsdeep9400]

Casual fans ruined boxing, had some dude tell me Tank was better than canelo and used records to “prove” it…. Lol

[@WesternSouthDakotaRailfan2006]

Thumbnail aged well both of them are not longer undefeated

[@kevstuhh]

UFC is so good because it doesn’t make a big deal abt undefeated records. we value title defenses and performance

[@matt4380]

"value" yet the ufc doesnt pay the fighters shit.

[@johnh8507]

@@matt4380 the average mma fighter makes more to show the the average boxer. Mostly the champs are under paid, guys on the prelims getting way more in the ufc than the cans boxing promoters bring in to fight a prospect

[@jj5666]

The UFC does make a big deal about being undefeated. Remember when Costa vs Adesanya or Jon vs DC 1 ? Someone's 0 has got to go. Being undefeated in MMA is just so rare, we forget what it's like when 2 undefeated fighters come together.

[@matt4380]

@@johnh8507 were talking champions. Mcgregor, ngannou, DJ, none of them make shit. Dana is a stingy pos who doesnt give one single fuck about the fighters.

[@jamtime4978]

@@jj5666 It's funny because even the example you gave people were less obsessed about the fact that they had zero losses on their record and more obsessed with the fact that somebody's win streak had to come to an end.

[@Jambo149]

To add to this point, fighters in the ufc are more likely to have fought less fights

[@georgem3673]

Also, they have 2 records, total fights, and UFC fights!

[@Bersling]

Thanks so much for this video. Just started watching boxing & UFC, found myself always on the fighters wiki to check what their record was. Starting with UFC the undefeated with khabib really seemed to mean something as he also beat a lot of tough competition. That's why I was also a bit confused when starting with boxing, so thanks for putting that into context!

[@viniciuscelio]

Khabib had only 13 fights in UFC.

[@raiter8495]

Yea Khabib faught tough opponents that’s why ufc was on easy mode for him…

[@mannymengs]

I think this also closely related to why the average mma (or at least UFC) fighter tends to be better paid, higher skilled, and more popular than the average boxer. Those who love the competition involved with combat sports should agree that these inflated undefeated records are meaningless and uninteresting.

[@robbielong2884]

Since mayweather made a billion it has ruined the idea of being undefeated and us fans make it worse second someone loses 1-2 fights we say they should retire or a bum. Look a Joshua lost to Ruiz’s and then beat him. And lost to usyk one of the best around . Joshua is still a top draw and can earns millions and still be in good fights . My two fav fighters are lamotta and Duran both have double digit loses and still both legends .

[@yedoru4448]

And people still don't wanna give Floyd his respect.

[@frieza2235]

Is that why Joshua was crying after he lost Usyk 2?

[@napkin1329]

All those people that say that aren't actual boxing fans

[@amariantiquity8543]

Yall hate on Mayweather for being a business man in a capitalist society, you people are just jealous

[@robbielong2884]

@@amariantiquity8543 far from it he is a great one of the best but 90% of people watched him to see him lose( he played on this) but now boxers want that sort of money so they think they can never lose .

[@elijahbuscho7715]

The one thing I have to say is that anyone who fights professionally has my respect. That is a terrifying thing to do, and it takes immense courage.

[@chris-cu3kl]

As someone with no formal knowledge of boxing, i find this very interesting in how this methodology of picking fights is the same that is used in Guilty Gear Strive to cheese getting into the top rank, Celestial. You could challenge yourself with the crème of the crop players who top out their character’s rank who compete in tournaments, or you could try and find a relatively lower ranked player in celestial and easy matchup for your character to more guarantee getting in. I didn’t know how applicable this was to being recognized as an undefeated pro fighter lmao. Also it’s interesting how pro boxers dodge each other to maintain records, because I would expect pushing the envelope of competition would always be the draw of promotion. But to understand that their living belongs to their perceived higher image, it seems like celebrity status is taking forefront over competing at the highest possible level.

[@duckyoutube6318]

Today's boxers are not trying to push themselves. They are all words and no action. All of them want to say they are the best without beating the best. Society has no virtues. In a time where everyone is virtue signaling and self proclaimed experts writing books.

[@KasumiRINA]

Video games have a concept of smurfing, where an experienced player creates a low-ranked new account (sometimes with high ranking gear too) and demolishes new opponents. In gaming it's looked down upon, despite the stakes being bragging rights (you don't Smurf in esports)... while in boxing that practice is default. Fighting jobbers to raise rank, carefully engineered to raise a fighter who didn't know none of his fights were real and all opponents were throwing matches for YEARS of their careers.

[@budgetcommander4849]

Competition is competition. Pretty interesting anecdote, thanks for sharing!

[@budgetcommander4849]

@@duckyoutube6318 Read a history book and tell me that's a new thing.

[@heroe1486]

​​@@budgetcommander4849 Doesn't make it less shitty. But the problem also lies on fans, if they looked down at that BS it wouldn't exist at that extent.

[@EverettBurger]

"Show me an undefeated fighter, and I'll show you someone that hasn't been tested." - Billy Conn

[@Jay-sw5wt]

So I just wanna mention how Am having a bad day at work and I am watching this on break. I had to check my phone bc I was thinking that I was playing it. But I can hear the very subtle Jill Scott he loves me instrumental in the video. Very small touch but greatly changed my mood.

[@thirtythree504]

Look at 135 for example. Theres about 4 or 5 guys that have been in that division for years and still haven't fought each other

[@MADVILLIAN777]

Give another example other than bantem weight

[@thirtythree504]

@@MADVILLIAN777 aj and wilder have been in thw same division for years never fought. Aj and fury. Spence and Crawford. Charlo canelo, ggg, and Andrade have all been in 160 at for years and never fought. Benavides and canelo at 168. 175 bivol and beterbieve have been in the same division for years.

[@BirdmanDeuce26]

Many years ago, I used to have local fights available on On Demand as part of my cable subscription, and this practice was in full effect with all of the bouts you could see. Many, MANY times, you would see a young gun with a 4-0-0 record matched up with some poor sap who was 18-25-6 and you could just *tell* it was set up to at least be an easy steamroll for the young gun. Once in a blue moon, however, you did see fighters with "good" records risk them against each other, and those made for great viewing.

[@jayparker9225]

I'm not afraid of leaning more about a sport iv followd gur so long .this channel has taught me so much more about a sport I love thank you ever so much.

[@vickramsingh5814]

that's why youtubers can become professional boxers. they don't have what it takes to fight a legit professional but somehow has the boxing liscense and pass to be a pro boxer to a big promotion lol. if garcia wanted he can fight youtubers on ppv and be 60-0

[@JitTrippinOng]

lmao garcia in the thumbnail NOT ANYMORE 🤣

[@Connor929]

ong 😂

[@drethom087]

That’s a good thing though, the point is that they don’t fight each other well Ryan is the one who pushed to fight the best. And I dislike Ryan and don’t think he is that good but he deserves props for that

[@STiergoofball]

At least he challenges himself I guess

[@Only2GendersCommonSense]

​@@STiergoofballand that'll be the last time too

[@A_Valeska]

@@Only2GendersCommonSensestill hating like he stole ur gf

[@arnedomi]

Hilariously, even when they get defeated, they are presented as 'formerly undefeated'.

[@petar2253]

this is why i respect usyk so much he always wants to fight the best and isnt ducking anyone i mean he even fights his opponents in their home country

[@vyberpunkchaz1883]

I like Usyk a lot. But how is he not the exact thing this video is describing?

[@Andrewthe22]

@@vyberpunkchaz1883 you started watching boxing during the pandemic you casual usyk fights the best period next is fury if fury don’t duck

[@vyberpunkchaz1883]

@@Andrewthe22 lol it’s always some lame in the comments calling ppl casuals and not addressing any of what it is actually being talked about. Yes, Usyk has been impressive and isn’t “ducking” anybody. But what makes him any different than what the video is describing? What makes him any different than say…Devin Haney who is shown in this video many times over? I’m not questioning Usyk’s resume. I’m questioning the logic of the narrative in this video.

[@somedude3977]

@@vyberpunkchaz1883 probably because Haney was gifted a belt via email. He then fought the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy. So he didn’t even fight the best lightweight. And Haney didn’t have to collect any belts. He was pretty much gifted the undisputed fight. Usyk actually had to fight the champions to earn his belts

[@vyberpunkchaz1883]

@@somedude3977 Context matters. Gifted who’s belt and why?

[@dantheman4838]

In the defence of boxing, most of those fighters won't end their careers undefeated, and the few boxers that do end their careers undefeated (even the most highly respected ones like Floyd Mayweather and Joe Calzaghe) often get criticized for not fighting the best competition by many fans. In boxing promoters pad records for ratings and publicity and then cash their fighters undefeated records in once their fighters stock are at its highest. It's a frustrating process for us fans but it's a tried and test business method.

[@panner11]

The problem is it's getting worse. You can say tried and tested, but there's always a breaking point. Look at the records just 20-30 years ago and you can see the difference.

[@Mason-lr5dz]

I don't really follow professional fighting but I had noticed this phenomenon, thanks for explaining it! The governing bodies for boxing should definitely be putting the top brass against each other more often, not just to make these records more transparent but also to create better fights.

[@jamesxm4240]

Watching UFC and Boxing is night and day, All the so called Elites in boxing dont fight each other its annoying

[@matt4380]

UFC doesnt pay. Thats why all their big names want to come box.

[@snapdowndarsee4959]

@@matt4380 guys are getting paid in GameStop stocks and still fighting the best in the worl.

[@sexwaletokyo7639]

@@matt4380 who cares lmao you’re not getting any of the money why tf you pocket watching what another man gets, top boxers aren’t fighting each other that’s why boxing is a shit dying sport, the UFC might pay there fighters less but there’s a lot more exciting fights cause there’s less mf beating on inferior opponents

[@matt4380]

@@sexwaletokyo7639 what a dumbass take. You can not be the one getting payed and still think a line of work should be paid better you fuckin goof. How braindead are you?

[@dougmontana157]

@@sexwaletokyo7639 fax💯🎯

[@renishalilaj1168]

I find it very interesting that you mentioned that it's surprisingly easy to become a pro boxer, but I really shouldn't be surprised, because KSI beat a "pro" boxer 😆. I think I have come to a point where undefeated records just mean that they haven't fought anyone of note. There are outliers to this, such as Usyk and Josh Taylors undefeated records (even if he seems to have lost his last fight against Caterall), but these undefeated records are far and few in between from the waves of "undefeated" boxers with padded records.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

I think it was a backwards way of saying no other martial arts have the same opportunities.

[@yusufYMM]

Who’s here after seeing the thumbnail from the tank fight?

[@Wuisini]

Look at Tank. Dude is 28 and is just now facing an actual challenge.

[@Hemingway5000]

A challenge? Cruz was tougher than the kid tank steamrolled last weekend

[@travismcgreat3823]

I regularly think about how many amazing matches we never got to see because top boxers picked fights they knew they could win and avoided any serious competition. Mayweather was one of the greatest defensive boxers in history, but he also only took fights he knew the other guy was either passed his prime, or not on his level.

[@UY-SCUTInohomo]

Yep Mayweather is cherrypick, a self proclaim goat

[@travismcgreat3823]

@@UY-SCUTInohomo he really was one of the greatest defensive boxers of his generation. He could have won without Chery picking.

[@elephantwater9929]

someone I used to work with was an upcoming undefeated boxer who was going through this process. he told me that these boxers had a specific term they used in the profession, but I can't remember it now. anyway, these boxers are used to inflate records as the goal is to be "the undefeated, undisputed, ___weight of the world" - which is a title known throughout history. the reason why they have so many bogus fights is to inflate the record so they look like a top 10 boxer and can fight the elite fights, there's more money for the companies if their boxer remains undefeated.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Was the term "tomato can"?

[@elephantwater9929]

@@BiggieTrismegistus are you American by any chance? not heard the name Tomato Can over here in the UK, but I'd imagine the premise is just the same yeah 🤣

[@michaelconstantinemiranda2352]

Finally someone addressing this issue. Imo it's one of the reason why boxing is on the decline. Fighters nowadays are following mayweather's blue print of avoiding fighters who are of equal or higher level, biding their time and fight when the circumstances are favorable for them. That's why we dont get high caliber match ups nowadays.

[@NeverSober8008]

In Mayweather’s case there wasn’t fighters that were equal or higher*

[@worldpeace4231]

No..not Mayweather..he fought 3 generations of the best

[@mpaung]

It's about time someone makes a video on this topic. Great cover!

[@thebpulse6477]

As a die hard boxing fan, it is absolutely infuriating being a fan of this sport. The fact a boxer can take one L and their career is considered “done” or in “jeopardy” is toxic beyond words. Paired with the fact we never see the fights we want. Politics destroyed the sport. MMA have absolutely done it right, especially the UFC having bringing EVERYTHING under one roof. It’s incredibly fan friendly and it’s any wonder why it’s the fastest growing sport/ organization in the world

[@vince11harris]

Blame the fans🤷🏾‍♂️

[@nathan2497]

@@vince11harris exactly a lot are to blame because they dismiss a guy after 1 loss now you could have 2 high level boxers fight and the loser would get dismissed same at prospect level and then they wonder why a lot of these boxers don't want to go in 50/50 fights plus too much politics with different promotions, A side- B side bollocks it's a business after all.

[@KasumiRINA]

@@nathan2497 I don't remember anyone dismissing Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis, or Mike Tyson after their losses? Still their reigns were also extremely sus. In fact, we were dismissing these 40-2 records common for champs of the time as absolute rubbish since out of those wins, majority were jobbers who weren't allowed to win at all.

[@ekki1993]

Politics is the only way to fix the sport, though. Fans won't magically change their opinions. If the current system exists it's because it makes money. The best way around it is some big push to make public opinion see this issue paired with some better alternative benefitting from the push. You know, a political campaign.

[@vince11harris]

@@ekki1993 that would be great. You would probably need some legendary boxer to push that campaign like a Mike Tyson or a Sugar Ray Leonard or a Julio Caesar Chavez

[@ToneysReviews]

Yes, a lot of boxers have padded records. However, there is a reason why there are more undefeated fighters at the top vs UFC. And that reason is, amateur fights. Boxing has a deep talent pool for non-pro boxers turning pro. Whereas, MMA falls short here. Most top tier boxers start boxing around the age of 5-6. On the flip side, MMA fighters are normally much older in age when they pick up the sport.

[@AnelStylez]

Amateur fights do not count to the records tho

[@ToneysReviews]

@@AnelStylez I know, the point is when you have an elite fighter coming into the pro circuit with an amateur record of 300+ wins and minimal losses he's going to run through the fighters who are 1-0 with only 10-30 amateur fights. MMA fighters with 300+ amateur fights do not exist. Thus, they are no where near as skilled when they turn pro. Most MMA fighters are amateur tier fighters at best when they turn pro.

[@Rx003]

Man I love to hear you talk about NBA so entertaining fr

[@LouisCocquet]

It’s kinda what Khabib did, the first 14 fight around were against mma rookie

[@johncherskov5755]

I remember noticing this earlier. It's true. It's because they are 'cheaters'. In real life you might say, there's no such thing as that right? You can't just decide to cheat randomly, as if it's some game right? Well they are rigging it so that they 'pose' and 'cheat' to appear as undefeated. Many times, you see these people step into the ring with someone who has losses but is known as a great fighter with experience, and they get so clearly outclassed and defeated. It makes you wonder how did they defeat those other people? Match rigging, cheating, lying, picking people who lose on purpose or would be an easy target, and the usual you'd expect from human posers. You might even say, hey, there are weight classes (that actually is a point), but there are actually fighters who avoid fighting better fighters. The sad thing is these people delude themselves. 100% winning isn't the same with a few low lvel matches. I'd fear more the person with 100 matches and still maintains winning most of them, than like some poser saying 'hey but I'm undefeated' with like 7 wins or something. It's a feat but it is an example of trying to 'pretend' you were better which is sad and cheaterish imo. Unfortunately humans are prone to take the easier routes and if it works then it's fine. I've even encountered in my life tons of cheaters and they are mostly all liars trying really hard to gain recognition, which imo is sad, but sometimes it actually does elevate them slightly above those who don't try. For example one guy who lied to my sister in the past, saying he would be top in the olympics fencing for gold, just to probably get in her pants in the past, heck I didn't know what she was doing, but I later found out. There are cheaters/liars unfortunately everywhere and they try all sort of schemes, I hate them, and this is the same thing. If you really want to claim to be the 'best' you aren't best until you are best, many of the best failed and lost, learned from it, then came back, before becoming the best. I'm not the best, I'm not a grand fighter, but I have honor to admit that.

[@dw5213]

This video was so well made this format has been rolling boxing for so long the point of the matter is the best are not fighting the best this is what's killing boxing

[@bhopirl4552]

After watching KSI vs Pineda I understand now