WHY So Many Players Are UPSET - DRAGON BALL: Sparking! ZERO

[@LifeOfRio]

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?????

[@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411]

nobody is upset at the game 😭

[@LifeOfRio]

@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411 did u evenn heard what was said or u jus comment

[@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411]

@@LifeOfRio people just had unrealistic expectations about the game and don't wanna admit they suck. They're not upset at a legitimate reason, they're just ass

[@fetusgayming4234]

people CAN play it competitively but its not gonna last long, think of if every character had the same combo routes in smash, and mario, dr mario and luigi were tier 0 characters. Most people dont wanna watch the SAME combos the SAME 2-5 characters for an entire tournament. I'm a strive player and i got bored watching an Evo top 8 where it was just HC vs leo, HC vs HC, HC vs nago every single match. In yugioh they've got the banlist so people don't play tier zero decks, Nekroz format was fun to play but mad boring to watch because its the SAME combos the same exact cards and plays every match. Also watching 2 players hitting that 2 frame counter window back to back to back for a top 8 will likely get boring for even the commentators. At the highest level the game can play like starter->counter->counter->counter etc until someone dies. DBFZ was great but now its a 2 touch game, thats why its not at evo anymore its because its like 2 minutes of fishing for a starter and then you just watch whoever got the first hit take 1.5 characters. DBSZ is gonna get boring, quick and the only way to fix it is to either balance every character so they can all stand on their two feet competitively or make counterplay to the counterplay. Games with combobreaker mechanics usually tie it to its own resource thats a bitch and a half to get back, DP's are easy but the offensive player can just block or backdash to keep their pressure on, counterplay to the counterplay. Stuff like vanish, revenge counter, super counter and perception don't have a lot of counterplay other than GRAB, thats why androids are powerful rn. Again no one wants to watch two (really good) players vanish eachother until one person runs out of ki, into another hit into vanish, vanish, vanish, vanish

[@GnarlyDrifter]

Mvc2 Does have its broken characters But those characters are Beatable if you have skill and knowledge of the game and that game Does take skill in knowledge dbsz has a plethora of broken mechanics, unblockable ultimate. Overpower top tier characters. How do you say you come from a pro? Background of playing these 2d games and you're trying To defend dbsz That's laughable. Imagine street fighter or KOF Having unblockable supers. Characters that can melt Your health in just one auto combo Imagine how fun that would be for anybody playing those 2D games. It wouldn't be fun at all. Just because a game has funding in a crowd behind it would not make it a fun or Competitive game. If all you see is people using top tier characters, it will get boring real fast. The delusion of this video. Matter of fact take j Wong for instance. Mvc3 He uses. Akuma Wolverine. And strom Storm being the only top tier character on his team.The rest is trash and he still wins because he has skill and knowledge of the game going against other players that use top tier characters.They are very beatable

[@FryThighs]

Anything is competitive if you want it to be. Big corporations dont decide the players do

[@jacobmason4225]

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[@sauce987654321]

I would argue the game itself does. Sorry, but nobody’s going to watch this game when all it is, is just skill cheese and vanish wars.

[@FryThighs]

@sauce987654321 stop stop using vanish and counter more lol i dont have any issue with vanish wars cause i dont use them constantly

[@sauce987654321]

@@FryThighs Wdym stop vanishing, you’re forced to enter it nonstop after super counters lol.

[@FryThighs]

@sauce987654321 right now people dont counter as much cause its too hard for them. So people are using the easier vanish mechanic to get the advantage. Idk about you but i dont see hardly as much vanish counters between people who can counter the vanish.

[@wheyprotein1957]

Had a guy ragequiting 3 times in a row right before he lost and then coming back against me the next match again. This needs to be fixed. Punish them!

[@clem9808]

How bout 10 different idiots in a row? And they're all spamming wheelo, 19 , gero , super vegito still had the courage to rage quit.

[@dhayris160]

Personally, i just find some things really boring to play against or even to play as. Most of the cheese strats are knowledge checks, but they force a very slow playstyle that i find disinterested me. Unfortunately, I can't stand watching or participating in extended vanish wars, so at high level, its not fun to watch this game. Once Vanish wars start up (and there's no real way to avoid them) the game starts reminding me of Ultimate Tenkaichi in the worst way. As for balance, people will say 'it's not supposed to be balanced' as some kind of catch all defense to criticism, but fail to understand that not everyone wants to play the exact same match over and over. Look what happened to DNF Duel. That game was a ghost town within 2 months. People left for many reasons, but regardless of why, poor balance didn't help the cause. You can play 3 Afterimage Strike characters if you want to, but don't be surprised when the only people still playing with you are doing the exact same thing.

[@raiyyan8514]

bandai never developed this game for competitive fighting so chill or go play mortal kombat where one combo and your character is finished

[@qballa2787]

@@raiyyan8514brother gave valid criticism it doesn’t have to balanced like a traditional fighter. Many strats in this game incentivize not participating in the games core mechanics. Ppl like BT3 because ashen understood and played at a decent level it felt and looked like a dragon ball fight. The cheese runs counter to what was so enjoyable in the first place.

[@blackburn3020]

I'll just leave this one here, after spending a decade of playing competitive shooters games this game brought me back to fighting games, it has its ups and downs but overall I'm enjoying the competition and content we are getting from it

[@silverheart7964]

I don't care for a competitive scene for Sparking Zero, but I don't agree with the notion that a game needs to be balanced to be a competitive fighting game. Balance in fighting games is a myth. There will always be strong characters, strats, cheese, etc. You nerf one thing, there will be another. Many fighting games have unplayable characters and extremely dominant characters and strats at the same time. MVC2, one of the most famous and popular fighting games of all time, is one of the most unbalanced fighting games ever made, with a tournament scene with a handful of characters on rotation on teams of 3. You want balance? Don't look for it in fighting games, because the only way to do it is to have every character be identical and nobody wants that. Max Dood has done several videos talking about this over the years, and he has much more experience in fighting games through the years than most. It's not a realistic expectation and I feel like it's really just an excuse used by people who don't want an anime arena fighter entering the competitive space, due to it being seen in a lesser light as there isn't a strong history there. Again, I don't care for it, and not every game needs to be competitive, but if somebody is dismissive of it, the argument of a "lack of balance" lacks criritical thinking.

[@the_lifeoftimbo]

The game is simply not fun a competitive level and has ultimates that are damn near luck based to get out of. Hell even XV2’s cheap tactics were more fun to go against than Sparking Zero’s.

[@brandonsupreme8380]

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[@brandonsupreme8380]

Wrong look at the connections it received huge balancing patches bcuc it was so broken saying a game shouldnt be balanced shows the lack of understanding on ur part you think i wanna fight the same characters with insta sparking mode regen wild sense these mfs didnt even test their game before releasing it bcuc they knew idiots like you gonna buy there rushed products

[@silverheart7964]

​​@@the_lifeoftimboand for the entirety of season 2 of Dragonball FighterZ, the snapback meta caused tall characters to be stuck in unblockable fuzzies, so they couldn't be played. This is nothing new. All fighting games have oppressive, unfun things.

[@Number1G3]

Lessgoo first time catchin a fresh upload out the oven. u been helpin w all the tech man. appreciate u

[@LifeOfRio]

Appreciate that thank u fam

[@jirenthegray5776]

This is the first budokai tenkaichi that a lot of people are playing outside their small circle of friends. A lot of people are realizing they are actual trash at the game. That's why. Saved you 11 minutes.

[@TheGodlyGamerMugen]

This is soooo true people can’t stand to be trash so they rather say the game sucks or it’s not competitive and tbh they can’t even fully say it’s not fun they just can’t accept it

[@damonthomas7627]

The game is mid

[@jirenthegray5776]

@@damonthomas7627 Just say you're bad.

[@christianabruzzo6632]

Lmao, this is true

[@joshmcrae8225]

Bro I’m s4 rank in singles… I don’t care to grind any further because high level gameplay isn’t even fun.. vanish fests left and right. Just gets old fighting gogeta and vegito over and over even if you’re winning

[@majin4692]

As a OG fighterZ player watching people like Go1,sonicfox and Wawa it was peak as hell I was at school watching that 😭

[@SuperBabyMario0C]

Then you n I both know this sparking real thing won’t last lol

[@Your_Father_LA]

The Devs said what this game was already, idk why this a topic of discussion that keeps appearing in the community.

[@WildFighterX]

If smash can be competitive..anything can be competitive. Just play what you like at the end of the day.

[@duronomys]

I don't understand this criteria people need to check for a game to be considered "competitive". If people want to put money on it, or if people want tournaments then who is to say that their given take is right? If DBS!Z community wants this game to be competitive then let's all get better and test our skill against each other. That is the spirit of Dragon ball anyway so who cares what anyone else says! Ive already soaked in the meta, and I welcome all of you Dr Wheelo, Dr Gero, Yajirobe, after image enjoyers, FUSION enjoyers and of course, unblock able ultimate enjoyers. I will see you in the World tournament arena :)

[@LotusAsakura]

If we go by what's on screen @ 1:55 then Sparking Zero doesn't fit the criteria lol. Also this game is not hype, exciting, or fun right now at a high level from a spectator standpoint. Honestly for some of the players either. The tournaments I've seen so far have been players using the most gimmicky and boring stuff they can in order to win (as they should) and I respect that, but people don't enjoy watching that. While using "top tiers" and being methodical exists in every game I don't think it's quite the same here because of the imbalance of not only the roster, but also the mechanics. Especially when you consider that this is a Dragon Ball game and the "casuals" who are so important to capture as an audience want to see more flash and flare. They don't want to see Android 19 running away and Wheelo being obnoxious. They want to see people engaging and throwing hands and energy blasts lol. People were literally saying they'd rather watch Dragunov mirror matches than see Yajirobe, Wheelo, and Androids 19 & 20 in a Top 8. That speaks volumes considering how boring Dragunov is considered in Tekken and how much everyone who doesn't play him hates him lol . Tons of viewers I've seen have expressed a lack of interest in the high level because the styles and characters used are just boring and lame. In order to create more spectacle the meta would have advance far past what it is now. You'd have to create an extensive ruleset imo that features a lot of stage/character bans in order to get the ball rolling in the right direction and then getting people to accept and agree to that is also something easier said than done and could also be subject to ridicule itself. Not say it isn't worthy a try, but that's like the route you'd have to take. The game isn't well balanced, still has far too many bugs/glitches and inconsistencies, doesn't cater to a good spectator experience in its current state, and doesn't satisfy the same needs that more traditional fighting games do in order for it to coexist in that space. I think Sparking Zero has its own value, it just isn't the same as other games in the FGC. You can compete in ANYTHING. So yes its competitive in a literal sense, but I don't think that's what people mean when they say "competitive fighting game." You can host tournaments and push it as a community and have fun, but people really need to let go of the whole "EVO" thing. I truly believe this game would be made a total laughingstock if it were to show up at EVO and we just saw singles with 8 Gogetas & Vegitos or DP battle with people stalling the whole time and using regen/afterimage teams lol. I don't think any of us want that. Game is cool. It can be competitive in a sense.. just not the same way as some other games mentioned. It doesn't have to be exactly like those games. Being its own thing is cool. It's only a problem when people try to put this in the same light or room as those cus it doesn't quite fit in.

[@LifeOfRio]

This video/what I said is from a neutral point which is why I showed the definition on the screen so ppl see what’s considered competitive for Evo My yapping is about ppl saying “IT CANNOT BE” when it can Now the dignity of the game and wanting it to be respected are 2 different things based on who u ask when wanting it to be showed at Evo Almost every anime fighter that comes out the community says “do u think it’s competitive “ but most of the anime players don’t know how to truly play fighting games to even want that The entire structure of Evo and what’s considered is going to have to change because most fighting games fail outside of the main names… the entire FGC is one of the most poor communities as far as sponsors and backing Being a pro player outside of the big names is like working at Walmart part time I agree from speaking with the sparking zero devs that it still has too many bugs and QoL that needs to be addressed the issues with balancing is half the community like the brokenness of the characters and half don’t this is why these players are not considered FGC players Based on what u or others find boring don’t really matter as long as a strong majority tunes in I find a lot of fighting games at Evo boring but it still has the backing Like I said I don’t really play anime games outside of this and it’s been years cause I stay on core fighting games but if and I mean if they fix a lot it can have a showing

[@yungslack7311]

Nah bruh Tekken 8 is complete cringe competitively , especially if you’re comparing it across the board. Yoshi and Dragunov are 10 times worse than Yajirobe, Yajirobe was just an oversight. The former two have been broken since release. Yajirobe was fixed within a week and you and your elitist friends are acting like Tekken balanced anything quickly 😂 If people are playing to win its competitive. Even if its rock paper scissors. Thats the end of the discussion. Bro wrote the first chapter of the bible to justify his echo chamber 😂 Bro even said laughing stock?? Was it funny when Ken and Jp were the only picks lol? You got a nice voice Lotus but your opinions are actually garbage; if you sounded like Punk you would have a lot less people agree with you

[@UtlawBroine]

So are we acting like we’re not watching the same stuff in sf6 or Tekken 8 tournaments over and over? People spamming the strongest characters with the new busted mechanics the games introduced. Drive system mechanics, armored moves, heat bursts, rage arts (with the last two taking away 80% of health of characters which is on par with SZ damage from the strongest characters) MK1 is not even worth mentioning. Acting like Sparking Zero can’t be competitive next to these things because people are refusing to play around ANYTHING in Sparking zero is wild. Afterimage strike? “Nah, that’s broken, i put my controller down, cheesy” instead of keeping their distance for 15 seconds and using ki blasts. You always whine about super counter, yet people also cry about ssj4 Gogeta’s Sparking mode damage. If super counter is so broken, why not just get out of it? Ngl, out of your last 10 videos, 5 was whining about the game to the point where its way more than just constructive feedback. Bashing the game because the characters don’t have different colors of the same outfits… Meanwhile that’s what they had in DBFZ and everyone was crying. Now we have outfits and that’s not good enough either. Maybe you should chill out a bit instead of going around and riding the negativity train, its getting a little mickey.

[@MinusThePrevail]

Ah, yes, the cowardly lion himself has arrived with yet another soft spoken opinion.

[@LotusAsakura]

@@yungslack7311 yes actually. People did laugh and ridicule SF for Ken & JP being so dominant and players were extremely critical of their power and the repetitiveness of them showing up due to the lack of changes. Where were you? Y'all get so upset when someone has a different opinion than you as if yours is any more factual. At least I base mine on some sort of evidence or experience. I'm going out of my way to not be elitist but for some reason anime game players seem to have such fragile egos. I play and enjoy both. This isn't about elitism.

[@DeeAnsu]

I think something alot of people don't want to admit or realize is that they don't want this game to be competitive and I side with that way of thinking. To me Sparking Zero is supposed to be a nostalgic game with new characters and better graphics. Not saying it can't be competitive but I don't understand why nowadays people have to make an argument whether or not a game is competitive. Why can't we all enjoy the dang game 😂

[@snakeoo7ca]

I agree with this sentiment. I think alot of this outrage is that there is a bleed over between casual and competitive players; competitive players wont stay in competitive/ranked mode, and end up dunking on casuals

[@TheWindBlack]

I don't think just "Enjoying" the game works for this kind of game simply because it is a fighting game. To ENJOY the game is to INDULGE in competition and naturally most people have fun when they are winning in the game, thus drives up higher competition because now people are trying to get better at the game to increase their ability to win and thats just what happens naturally with all games that pit you against each other.

[@Roosked]

Just play unranked. There is plenty of people who go hard with non op characters. Its so much fun

[@nitro10965]

no crossplay on 2024 in AAA fighting game, it's sad, i can't duel with ps5 friend, no point of fighting with trash ai in games, seriously bandai need to step up in features, only japanese dev in capcom is advanced in feature and technology, rest are ancient

[@DeeAnsu]

@@TheWindBlack I don't fully agree with that since this is not just a fighting game. There's story mode and custom battles you can create or play and that opens a whole new world of enjoyment. But I do understand your argument about having that competitive nature when you are solely fighting

[@BigEGamingChannel]

People should not be sweating in player match. Sweat in ranked go for it. Not in the player match.

[@Galamoth06]

The problem isn't about the game's legitamacy as a "real fighting game," the problem is that high level play just devolves into endless vanish wars, super counters, or cheese strats. It's not very fun to play or to watch. You can debate all day as to whether it should be taken seriously in the gaming community at large, but it's not going to change the issues with the core gameplay.

[@arpadszabo661]

Your non argument can be used to describe any other fighting game in existence, yet you decide to whine about this one game.

[@roxas327]

@@arpadszabo661 Name them if your confident

[@Galamoth06]

@@arpadszabo661 Every other fighting game in existence has a mechanic where players take turns teleporting behind each other? lol alright.

[@ikelowry]

@@Galamoth06for like 2 minutes at a time 😂

[@brandonsupreme8380]

​@@Galamoth06nah not in naruto goody this is the worse game ever

[@TuffleG]

The simplistic combat and one button attack button you know its very lack luster like dragonball sagas levels of simplistic but somehow sagas actually has more depth combat wise.

[@Brangutang]

I think the problem is that players come into the game (maybe looking for a new competitive game, maybe just casual) and some aspects of it are just *so* unbalanced that they are completely disincentivized from sticking around/improving. Perception is reality, and even if other fighting games are just as unbalanced or Sparking Zero is more balanced than we think it is on a high level, it's impossible to deny that if you're trying to enjoy ya boy Krillin and you keep coming up against Jiren and MUI Goku then you're going to get worn out. It's not a coincidence that ranked constitutes the same 5 characters on a loop, and whether you're playing competitively or just watching a competitive match with your cereal, that's just not as fun as real variety.

[@javianbrown8627]

Perception is definitely reality. Despite sf6 being considered really balanced, initially in the big tournaments in top 8 and such it was a bunch of Ken and JP players. This goes to show that just because there's an attempt at balancing a game, doesn't mean the results will be diverse when you look at the actual players. It usually takes someone doing really well with a character that isn't considered good to shake things up in terms of perception if there are no successful changes made to balance. In the end players will choose what they think works even if it means they can't choose their favorites but if a game already isn't their cup of tea or they have a negatives bias toward it and in top of that can't use their favorite characters without getting crapped on, they will view the game as unbalanced and not competitive and they won't stick with it if that's what's they're seeking from the experience

[@AcidGlow]

The only super or ultimate that should be Unblockable are close range throws. The balance is very broken when you got some characters having an unblockable beam or spirit bomb type. That would even things out. Unless ppl want to start tourneys with only strong characters or... start character banning. 👀

[@Jayfire88]

Check the source materials! Some supers or ults are canonically Unblockable! Prime example Krillian's Ddisc! Don't change the realism.

[@potheadraccoon8536]

@@Jayfire88 dont play dumb you know he isnt talking about no krillin explain why tf full power jiren has an unbloc and broly z has an unbloc super and unbloc ult + blue health thats crazy

[@otakuthegreat]

​@@potheadraccoon8536That is not crazy at all he is factually correct there is NO WAY of blocking moves like that You rooks gotta stop undermining move just because you think that you can't dodge.

[@otakuthegreat]

​@@Jayfire88Exactly

[@jaydenjones5658]

By Definition, SZ can be a competitive game. However in actuality the game doesn’t fit the mold. Competitive games often don’t need ruling outside of the game itself in order to function(besides maybe smash with Steve). SZ recent tourneys banned android 19 & 20 because their ability to indefinitely stall the game. Also the amount of stall the game enable causing regular sets to last for almost 30 minutes is unheard of in almost any competitive fighting game. Also the fact that the game has a free get off me tool in super counters means the games longevity long run won’t work. Super counters has no resource system and in the year 20XX, players will be super countering everything and the game will not nearly as fun to spectate and accrue viewership as it would need alongside the stall tactics present currently. If the devs patch and balance these things yes I could see it being competitively viable. Right now as is, no.

[@TonyDGunner]

In 20xx is everyone playing fox waves shine cancel 5x into up Smash. Smash bros has to have arbitrary rules to be a competitive game. No items. You have to play stocked battle. No Stages with walls, no sharking stages, no slants, no stages with too many if the same layouts. Stage ban system with character counter picks. Defined time limits on matches to prevent stalling. Etc. Super counters aren't consistant enough atleast from what I understand. To stop the game from being competitive. Though personally I wish they would only be available in certain situations.

[@killuafanboy3812]

I love vanish battles I saw CPU's doing vanishes constantly in BT3 never gets old!

[@chosendisciples5322]

I feel that. I think it could be competitive but not in its current state. I love playing this game but I’d probably hate watching this game in a top 8 or something literally anyone would be crazy for not picking SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ Vegito, Jiren, Beerus, or UI Goku. That’s all you’d see out of over 100 characters. When you’re playing to win it’s boring. But when you are playing for fun it’s an awesome game. I’d hate to see this become competitive. It would probably loose a lot of people willing to watch it because of what I said earlier. It’s not fun watching the same 5 characters fight with an instant kill button. It’s already not fun playing ranked when all you see is those five after you hit A rank. If there were to be more variety in the characters and the ones being about to be used to win equally then it would change things

[@saidomiv3465]

50% of what makes this game "competitive" are exploits and glitches tbh and that's sad. It's not easy for a game to be competitive, it's easy for people to say it's competitive. The game is only competitive with very specific characters and having such varied stats would kill any other fighting game. It's not competitive, it's fun with a community that's partially try hard's for a pretty rank If your game has 186 characters and the play rate for characters are .1-1% for most of the roster but 20%, 14%, and 9% for 3 characters your argument for competitive or balanced is straight up logically untrue

[@a1rabidfox341]

This game does entertainment and competitive PERFECTLY. I mean you counter the counter by countering, and you have to be quick and know when to what counter at what moment! And as silly as it sounds it’s what makes the matches so intense! I think you said everything perfectly and it’s what i was thinking!

[@KingMadePook]

“People are just trash at the game” that tells me your the gogeta or broly that spams instant spark and unblockable ult and stand proud in your cheesy ways💀 YOU people that don’t care to have fun and just cheese the OP characters don’t be surprised when this game is dead in the water and no one plays online😭

[@Zaysearth]

I made it to S5 with no cheese. Honestly been having bad connection issues and have been hard stuck S5/A1 happy wit where I am but we need a net code patch. Def not my internet cause playing with friends is always perfect

[@ronsonaquino8532]

FighterZ with the Damascus as commentator was always entertaining for me. There was a time period where Id watch tournaments non stop 😌

[@MrPian0Mann]

5:45 so true! eating my sandwich rn watching you lol

[@somniumlucidus969]

Bro i went to make a time comment right here. I been eating all meals to sparking content for like 2 weeks. Cerostv, afro and a few others lol

[@miles6120]

1:14 Is exactly why I’m playing sparking zero. To escape from these types of games I’ve been grinding.

[@awesomereviews1561]

The reason why it isn’t competitive is that you need to make some special rules to make competitive. Just like Smash. So if you need do that from the get go, then your game isn’t really compétitives. And it’s okay. It’s fine.

[@bomboclado8469]

I would do not care. I am a DBD comp player and in our community we got the same topic several times. Specially about balancing when a game is build around rng. Tbf thats why there are so many rules in tournaments.. but its not good idea to balance around the top tiers imao.

[@TheGodlyGamerMugen]

I like your point of view man fr I wanna know what you think about multiversus at the moment and why it’s not getting as popular as It could be

[@nekog0d61]

Every fighting game genre can be competitive if 2d,3d,platformer, or arena

[@datboiinotorious9245]

Idgaf this game is the best fighting game 2024 people never satisfied with no game always bitching if somebody got a problem with sparking zero make your own video game 😂

[@halvsketchy9293]

I feel like it could become competitive, especially DP battles, but before that can happen we need more balance changes. A few aspects are a bit too strong like false courage, afterimage strike and mechanics like vanish strike (which takes like 20 vanishes in a duel to declare a winner). It dont need many balance changes for this to become the best fighting game ever

[@halvsketchy9293]

Oh and super counter (i think its called-forward+square) as it cost nothing and can stop any physical basics- even vanish strikes

[@unge1483]

What pro gaming experience do you have/had?

[@dominantgorilla9274]

Ngl dp battles can easily make for the greatest competitive fighting game scenes

[@dyo1001]

I think this game is incredibly balanced based on the dragon ball universe, the rules are valid. Anytime I get smacked, it feels like canon, I also love that I can smack other players too. When you play it with the dragon ball universe in mind, and consider how fights go in the actual content that makes this game possible, it’s pretty damn good.

[@maleski47]

ENTERTAINMENT Meanwhile a legendary Broly spamming Ki blast in sparking mode and ultimate doing 40K damage. Anyway, I love this game.

[@Dylankuu3722]

This game ranked on every platform fun it not always about competitive it about fun the energy of player base in this game is all time high it time we all have fun together in this game enjoys tournaments

[@reyrey9752]

They talking crazy about you rn in the community Rio keep trucking and doing you

[@TheDarkness4560]

Imma say it like that. Sparking zero is "balanced" if you limit yourself to the right teams/characters, which most of us with a available roster like this will just take who we like the most. YES there's unblockables, perception spam or whatever your gripe with the game might be but let's look at other competitive games. Street fighter 6 - drive rush can straight up skip neutral, perfect parry even tho u had the fight in the bag this parry can put you in the corner what can be a death sentence in sf6. Mortal kombat 1 - kameos giving you so many + frames (striker + Baraka as example) you can just chip out opponents or hard to blockables u can only guess leading to 50+% dmg combos. Tekken 8 - rage arts can be just a win or lose gamble only because you brought opponent low on hp - characters like dragunov dish out way more dmg then others while having amazing buttons and pressure tools - kings throws and throw chains are hella busted if u think he's grappler atleast his combo dmg should be below average for having those tools. All those things including sparking zero can be outplayed with baits, vanishes or what so ever but most "competitive" games still have their cheesy or meta stuff no matter where u look at.

[@MoZa_TV]

💯

[@mths7]

Anything that takes time to learn is considered competitive. The best tekken player that’s never played sparking is not picking up the sticks and destroying the sparking zero community without putting in the time to master the game. Personally I would like to see more tournaments for this game on a big stage

[@treylude]

as long as the dp system can work out in a balanced way and the meta doesnt get waaaay to singled then i think it can be a quality competitive title. and the only reason i think that as of recently is because i saw how movement can be used

[@shotashifps6429]

FACTS, adding this video to my favs to show ppl trying to bring down the game n be negative to us

[@WolfMoon351]

If I have to choose, then now I don't think it's competitive. And the only real reason is that it's not balanced. You can compare MVC2 but character's lvl 3 can be blocked. There are some characters in Sparking Zero that has ultimates that are unblockable.

[@DanielSmith-ll2iw]

To balance the game in the current reality for competitive play we might have to come together as a community and create a balance of our own. And what i mean by that is maybe in tournament play we make different formats and certian bans for picking certian characters of the bat. SSJ4 Gogeta for example. In a 3v3 format maybe allow SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta on a team and then allow you to fuse in to Gogeta SSJ4 instead of picking him off rip. But this rant can go on and on. Thats what I think can start something atleast

[@reomoto688]

I think the issue is people think the only competitve games are evo games, or mortal kombat type games. However, any game where you have pvp is competitive. The real question should be is the game designed well enough to where every character is on equal footing and the only trait that counts is skill. Sparking doesnt have that and thats fine. Its definitely competitive and you could host tournaments and maybe ban some characters to really let it shine. But there is no balance, which is the goal obviously. To me that doesnt make it not competitive, that makes it not evo worthy. I would hands down hold tournaments with it though as the game is very engaging and entertaining. It definitely has a skill ceiling as well. Not as high as fighterZ type games but what does that matter? Anime fighters arent built to do that as its always to please casual players first, high skill after. Hence all the mechanics. The only people that care if it is evo worthy are people who cant enjoy video games as video games

[@BigEGamingChannel]

Even winning (and I have an 82% win ratio in ranked and nonranked) feels anxiety inducing. Yes it can be competitive but it’s not supposed to be only competitive. People don’t know how to enjoy the game anymore. No one wants to beam clash nothing. Idc about being good at this I wanna have fun. I feel like an asshole every time I win cuz I have to go hard on someone who clearly wasn’t prepared for me to lean forward in my chair.

[@xSABRET00TH]

if it has a community it will always be able to be competitive.

[@QuentinSharp]

You are the goat for playing Android 18

[@clem9808]

I can't finish a damn match, everyone is friggin quitting! 💢

[@justmatrix3402]

With your definition, yes I can see it being competitive with people holding tournaments for the game where they make specific rules to make the viewing experience more tolerable to not replicate the TNS tournament. At that point it already is competitive. I just don’t find the meta fun for the game with characters like super saiyan vegito being allowed to have afterimage strike, extra health bars, unblockable ults, Giant characters being annoying to play against and Broly’s armor enough to capture the large audience players want like fighting game enthusiasts or pros like Mew2King who played the game to try it out and for it to be on the level of SF, MK, and Tekken. The game already presented itself as being unbalanced and to making the power levels as close to cannon as possible. It’s almost a lost cause at that point. All while vanishing wars continue to persist for too long that build the skill gauge for characters like vegito or pre-nerf yajirobe to get their skill back quickly. Super counters in my opinion should be more difficult, be it frame perfect or having it cost skill points to give the players the enjoyment and fun of actually being able to pull off a combo than being super countered and have people make decisions on managing their skill points similar to Z counter . Is the game competitive, yes, will it be at the highest level, I doubt. All those who had their expectations set for a more balanced less gimmicky experience likely already left and most fighting game pros likely didn’t event give it a chance because the developers already made their vision clear. All in all I think the game is already competitive and fun to play and already has a foundation to build upon that people could want to watch and get better at but it’s up to Spike Chunsoft and Bandai Namco to make the changes that I and others see as necessary to take this game to the next level and make it fun to watch and want to see at a higher competitive level with high skill players with the money they have made. Someone made a good point saying it isn’t about the legitimacy of it being a competitive or fighting game but if it’s fun to watch/play and take seriously at the higher skill levels. The combat has its intricacies, mechanics and you press a lot of button combinations, but is it fun? Does that make it enjoyable?is it satisfying? do you feel like your time is valued when playing casually on this game if you’re playing ranked? Is the counterplay to after image strike(especially vegito) and super counter enjoyable? Do you feel like it’s balanced enough to where you can see your improvement as a player? Do you ever just think in 1v1s, “well if I was playing that character” or “if I had that extra health bar” or “if his ult wasn’t unblockable” I would’ve won or “How do I fight against these Giants?!” I think the fairly recent discussion that the SF devs had with Hoyoverse can give insight in on those questions when making a fighting game and marketing it to your casual audience.

[@ro229time3]

Bro after one game. The muscle in my hand be hurting.

[@TyroneUT08]

I can see it going competitive and I would pay money to see this and I would also like to be in a tournament lol and like you said it's doesn't matter if I get a box of candy for winning, I'd just be happy there and trying to prove myself

[@SuperBabyMario0C]

Nah, it’s not a real competitive game in the sense FighterZ is. Your example of balance “MvC “isn’t good, n just as cliche as ppl saying “balance “ alone for a reason it’s not a competitive fighting game. If UI Goku in fighterz is broken (and he was on release) he’s patched and balance so it’s more fair to yamcha players or basically all the other characters . That’s not something you do nor the goal in sparking zero, UI Goku is suppose to feel strong and powerful compared to yamcha. It would be goofy if Yamcha was stronger than UI Goku in SZ. That’s how sparking zero was made with its roaster in mind. That’s why it isn’t a real competitive based game like fighterz is because Fighterz has balance in mind when patching, while sparking does not. Sparking Zero is a Dragonball game FIRST that wants to make you feel like you’re playing in the anime, while Fighterz is a FIGHTING GAME, made with dragonball themed characters and IP. Now Smash fgc tournaments heavily modifies the game from stages and items, and bans a couple characters. All that has to be done because it’s also not intended to be competitive at base game, but makes the game fair and even for the players. What would you have to mod in Sparking Zero? The stages? Skills and abilities? Capsule items? Character bans? Then everyone has to have the same ki and health. It’s too much, to get a boring match that last way too long that’s why fighting games have timers. The there’s stage destruction, it goes on. Actual broken characters are in both sparking and competitive fighting games, like yarjarobe which are eventually fixed so that happens in both types. Devs don’t intentionally want broken characters. Hardly ever is there anomalies where a character just can’t be fixed that they end up banned, like scorpion in Injustice. But overpowered is intentional in sparking just not broken. I don’t think its audience size either that makes it a real competitive fighting game or competitive game. Like Virtua Fighter 5 and that series is smaller than Sparking zero but its balance, competitive community and aspects of the game, and deepness of the gameplay mechanics makes it way more competitive and ground than Sparking Zero will ever be and it takes more skill too I’ll throw that in there too. You’re delusional if you think you can pick up and play Vf5 like SZ. I love dragonball but if I when I want my fighting game fix I do vf not sparking zero lmao. You can play like a try hard, run tournaments, throw money, no one’s stopping anyone, everyone do what you want. But if you’re asking if Sparking Zero is a competitive fighting game in the sense Fighterz is, Virtual Fighter, or Tekken? Then no, absolutely not. I disagree. Sparking Zero is about as competitive as the Texas Chainsaw Massacre game, but not like fighterz. Long but my reasons I humbly disagree with you brother.

[@keegs1163]

I think this argument isn't good for two reasons. DP is it's balance system for one and secondly competitive games have little to do with balance and more to do with skill/outplay potential and viewership. In what competitive tournament was there not a broken meta, akuma tekken or dota pudge/io. Think of any of the high grossing tournaments. All unbalanced cheese meta's because thats what gamers do

[@SuperBabyMario0C]

I don’t understand. The video and community on SZ want balance for the game but that’s not what’s intended. This isn’t fighterz you can’t just make UI Goku on par with Videl bro

[@SuperBabyMario0C]

I’m the fgc cheese alone isn’t enough. Cheese in sparking zero is enough I’ll say that. The best players in the world title to tile still the top players with broken characters. N it might be soon but the skill gap is so low in SZ that it doesn’t seem to be the case short life span. Not enough data. But not like fighters, VF and Tekken end of the day you can’t compare em. Use Naruto or other arenas

[@keegs1163]

@@SuperBabyMario0C You have a major misunderstanding, because it IS supposed to be balanced, just not in the way most people look at it. Every character is not supposed to have the same potential, but in the same vein this does not mean it cannot be competitive, or rebalanced.

[@SuperBabyMario0C]

No idk what we talking about I saw comments of ppl wanting it to be competitive so they should balance it. But what does that even matter if it’s not what makes it competitive like fighter z is, It’s its own thing

[@zkatom3773]

I think this game could very easily be competitive. I do think however that in tournament, there should be some rules for the game to be imo a lot more enjoyable to watch, for example, I feel like giants are NOT enjoyable at all to watch. So I would personally ban giants from tournaments. Other than that, we need to dive deeper and try to understand whether there should be more specific rules for a healthy tournament game.

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I keep seeing people say that it's competitive but the thing is the moment sparking zero becomes competitive that's when it dies because that's what happened with FighterZ. Sparking Zero has lost more players in less than a month that any other major fighting game in video game history. I wonder why that is. As for whether I think it's competitive the answer is no. I know for a fact it's not because it's not designed to be that way. But I realize because it has PvP people will force it to be competitive. It's at it's core what's referred to as a party game. Comparing Sparking Zero and Street fighter is like comparing Tournament play pokemon with family Monopoly during game night. Sounds stupid right? That's because it is lol. The game just wasn't designed for it.

[@SquidlyFishBeans]

Have not been able to finish a match because of disconnects since the end of the first week of launch. No issues with my network or hardware. Bandai is saying all we can do is port forwarding and windows downgrading...and if you look at the steam reviews every 3rd review is someone with a similar situation. I can't even refund this broken product.

[@J.Garcia824]

This game is “competitive” if you want it to be. But it doesn’t mean it’s a fun competitive. Relying on certain gimmicks that make the game boring to play and watch, makes it not fun to compete in.

[@dude_central]

People talk a lot of talk but there is only one real answer for "should/could ______ game be competitive?" ........eating hotdogs is competitive. Anything can be competitive

[@eberg2555]

I don’t think it’s a fairly competitive game simply due to character balancing. Can it be competitive? For sure.

[@hotdog5927]

if they do something about the vanish vanish vanish vanish vanish shit going on in matches it will be more enjoyable to watch

[@bofygaming9672]

If these players would stop and make a custom battle. They would see a different side to the game... One that wants to win with others and not just beat them

[@killuafanboy3812]

Vanish wars are awesome! I saw them happening constantly in BT3 in CPU fights. Not real DB fans out here complaining about fo munch vanish wars. Fr, that is like the best thing about DB games for me! 😅

[@shnizew]

The competitive scene is so dry. All these characters and the only ones people play with is ui goku, vegito, gogeta, and kefla. They will kill the game for everyone on ranked. It’s bandais fault for the horrible design

[@Cinnamonisthebestttt6]

Working hard on twitch and youtube🔥

[@Jozai610]

I think it is in DP. but in singles there needs to be a banning rotation.

[@chill07ful]

They need to close the window on vanishes so they are not so easy and then it could be fun to watch

[@HighEffect]

The reason i think dbsz is the best fighting game is because all other fighting games you need to learn combos and memorize keys, on the other hand in dbsz you only need to learn how to deffend and counter (still need to practice ofc) and you have chnace to beat a pro player as well.

[@David-nh2dn]

Been trying to tell people about this. Forget your feelings money will decide if sz is at evo

[@kuraio3017]

I think it CAN be, but in its current state I don’t think it delivers on the side of competitive integrity. Not that that’s a bad thing but I feel as though they built the game for casual audiences, and not the competitive scene. Also I do not agree that sparking zero is harder than street fighter, I don’t play street fighter, but I feel like it requires much more skill than sparking zero

[@donovans5037]

All I know is be whooping A ranks and S ranks that only know cheese and ragequit when they’re losing, shit makes me not wanna play ranked smh

[@NotElis]

The game is comp idk why people say it isn’t all the time

[@ragekingleoTv]

No its not Thats why I love it 1:54

[@MarinoCabrera-q8o]

Do you like the game ? Do you want to get better at the game ? Then you’re competitive oriented player. That’s it. Money has just complicated things. If the people want to watch and the people want to get sweaty they will. Just look at soullike games, they are hard, there are people that are really good at it. They don’t bother on labeling things competitive or not. Enjoy the game and follow the scene if you enjoy the game enough. People will fly accross the globe just to prove they are the best in a game or even with a particular character. I say go for it, I will be watching and stealing the Cheese for the characters I play 😂😂

[@kingofdreadsk.o.d6795]

Deff a competitive game i think, i would of thought smash bros was #1 fighting game though tbh

[@auruka]

To me what makes a game competitive is the mechanics, naruto storm 4 is not deep enough for me to consider it competitive But sparking zero is deep, skill difference can be seen and understood, watching people play naruto competitive is confusing compared to this one Sparking zero does have skill-expression

[@zzzzzdagod8973]

lol people really mad because they want it to be a balanced game for competitive and it’s not going to be but there are alot of game issues that should’ve been fixed before the game dropped

[@Pack52022]

Honestly it should have some level of balancing that isnt a bad thing

[@burnout3373]

So if we're going by definition, yes anything can be competitive. Personally, I don't see arena fighters as competitive games and that's just my bias showing. I believe if there was a high demand to see an arena fighter as a competitive game then we would have seen one by now. I think Sparking Zero is a fun game, but I don't think it's overall mechanics (mostly DMG and health distribution) support it being competitively at EVO or other main stages. If this game is going to be competitive, it's going to be the community that carriers it forward. At the same time, as a spectator, tournament play is quite boring to watch in my opinion. I understand there will always be a META, but when you consistently see the same characters over and over it will get dull for the average viewer. I think the debate of whether this game can be competitive or not is going to come down to the people that want to platform it that way. I want the best for the game, but I doubt this will be seen as competitive outside a pretty small minority.

[@AB-cd5gd]

Maybe if the game didnt have shit inputs lol, have to press multiple times the same buttons to try to do one action

[@IDoWatIDo17]

The game is obviously competitive...it's just not balanced and I have no idea how to unbalance it. I DON'T want them to nerf characters but Yaj has already been nerfed. One thing they could do is give everybody 4 bars of health, add some other cool mechanics to the game or whatever. My reaction time is bad. I was never good at super counters and vanishing at BT3 (Even though, they were not called that back then) I knew how to box but in this one, boxing is not hard. You could win just pressing □/X the whole time if you have great defence. However, I kid you not in a single game earlier this morning at around 2 something...I got the timing of vanishing down I think...don't ask it just happened lol...but I still have bad reaction time. In this one you have utilize ALL of your abilities and they even encourage you to do so. Like for example "Solar Flare" can go a long way. They help alot, were in BT3 I never really used my stocks lol. I'm a vet from BT3 so I know. I still stand by a solid 9/10 its just I don't want to pick SSJ4 Gogeta, UI Goku, Vegito, Gogeta, Beerus, Whis, or Jiren. I like those characters, freak Vegito is my favorite fusion. I like choosing characters that everyone isn't using and the ones I choose happen to be weaker than them...until UE Vegeta comes out...I might be screwed...if he comes out...

[@MisterSusman]

If it was at evo it would be hype and i would watch

[@iamgodson87]

I feel like DBSZ can be competitive and my favorite game to watch competitively is DBFZ

[@ItsNegusa]

Fgc community really should support themselves better cuz a lot of ppl who are pro be needing a job on the side and that’s a shane

[@djdallas7500]

I think people confuse calling the game not competitive means that it doesn’t require skill. I play traditional fighting games as well as arena fighters, but personally I just think that this game is too unbalanced and janky. In my opinion, in most competitive games the better player usually wins. Sparking zero definitely has depth and requires skill but there’s so much cheese and not consistent enough counter-play. I also don’t think that meta for high skill matches is entertaining, because it’s just ki blast spam, super counters, and vanish wars. So until a ruleset is made by the community that tries to establish some kind of balance (like smash bros), I don’t think it’s remotely competitive. And by unbalanced I’m not talking specifically about characters, I’m fine with them being lore accurate, I’m more speaking about system mechanics.

[@kinpaebbasta430]

Love the game but holy fk just give the loss to the quitter and add a fking anticheat its not 2003 come on .

[@vincthedon]

These arena fighting games are better to the side. Scroll fighting games to me. Personally

[@rogueDND]

If they dont do something about Counter z there is not gonna be anything near competitive gameplay. Infinite highlevel unbreakeable loop is not fun

[@KamiKyzen]

Love your content

[@RndmBad]

There is a conflating and misrepresentation of terms here in the community. "Is DBSZ a competitive game?" Yes, by nature of the fact it's a fighting game pitting two players against each other, it is by design, competitive. It is not, however, balance for professional or tournament style play. It is a party game, meant to have fun with friends and relive the action of Dragon Ball with fellow fans. The reason for this is simple: NOt every characters would be viable in tournament play. AND THIS IS ALL OK. DBSZ doesn't need to be an esport ready game title. the MAJORITY of fans didn't buy this because they want to start roaming the land in search of tourny circuits.

[@shinkai9kami162]

Because it lacks depth compared to it's previous titles like RB2 and Tenkaichi 3.

[@shammahcharles4941]

Didn’t know folks were mad…

[@arpadszabo661]

I feel like at this point people in the internet just hate everything. SF6? All you see is people crying about perfect parry and character balance. Tekken 8? Crying about armored moves, heat bursts, rage arts, dlc. MK1? Well… pretty much about everything that’s in that game. Sparking zero? Balance, competitive aspect. We’re going in the direction that will be super unhealthy for games, because the vocal minority is so toxic in all of these games that many people are leaving just because of that alone. The only genuine concern i have for Sparking zero is the amount of ragequitters. Like, it’s laughable that every single ssj4 Gogeta ragequits as soon as i have more hp than they do. Same goes for other top tier character players. Sure, i get it, this game sold 3 millions in 24 hours and god knows how many millions since then so its not like it will ever really die (Xenoverse 2 didn’t and that game was pretty questionable in quality), but the amount of people who got into arena fighters this game alone is huge and they just can’t handle online competition and it makes me not want to play online and i’m sure i’m not the only one. Like, what’s the point of playing if my reward for beating a better character is a ragequit and stolen points? But other than that, people just need to chill. If people want to make tournaments, they will, if people want to watch it, they will. If not, it is what it is. Not everything has to be competitive, but people trying to argue 3 weeks after release that it can’t be is goofy.

[@black0614.]

I hated this game until I learned how to play defense

[@FastAkira]

the guys that kept tenkaichi 3 alive until today were not casuals. They were pros, they were serious players, they were loyal players, true lovers of the game. Casuals ae good to grab some cash at the beggining.After that, you have to respect and nurture your loyal adudience Other wise it will die.

[@the_lifeoftimbo]

0:32 the gameplay right here is exactly what makes Sparking Zero unfun to play/watch.

[@jacobmason4225]

stealing intro from doto doyo the biggest dbz youtuber is wild dumb

[@rinvalentine7108]

8:11 i think thats a problem with the FGC is that its so gatekeeping. People who play fighting games love to say "Get good" or "I learned by getting my ahh beat they should too" but, youre killing your core audience. If you want your favorite game to die then continue to gatekeep and punish the newer players to the point that they will just go back to a game theyre more comfortable with. No one wants to be a new SF or Tekken player because the legacy players honestly ruin the game. Mk is just fortunate that its pretty easy to pick-up and cool to press buttons and have combos come out that people are willing to play the game casually. Sparking zero is in the same boat as MK at this point but, if you want to bully your newcomers to the point that they dont want to play anymore then thats on you that you dont want the game to breathe

[@jamie_5267]

Honestly, who cares whether or not you play the game competitively. As long as you're having fun, that's all that matters. Why are people freaking out over this? 😂

[@LifeOfRio]

Ppl need things to debate about part of human bonding they can’t help it