WHY SOME ATHEISTS DON'T ACCEPT ISLAM | THE REAL OBSTICALE

[@peterbumper2769]

One thing I notice about these types of clips, it does not matter if it is a Christian talking or a Muslim, they have never had an open, honest discussion with an atheist

[@takoja507]

They can't because they would doubt their faith if they did. They know their religion is bullshit, but they are afraid of the WHAT IF...! and thus believe and have faith. They don't even understand that their religion is just continum of older religions and myths. I mean they do but can't admit it, because WHAT IF...!

[@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube]

That's because honesty is a useless trait to religion

[@shardinhand1243]

yup the core and only thing that can get you into hevean is if you belive, all else doesint matter, it doesint matter how good, honest, hard working, charitable, or helpful, you are, the men in charge of the religiou only want servants... i meanthe "god" in charge only wants followers who belive... oops did i just let the entire point of religion slip? that it only exists to make servants of suckers to give the leaders of those religions welth power athority control... oh that time i definatly let that little secret reality cheak slip out. @@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube

[@WhiteScorpio2]

The only good reason to believe something is if something can be demonstrated to be true. Now please demonstrate God. Any God, Allah or any other.

[@duncanbryson1167]

I avoid words with religious connotations because they can be misused either through laziness or ignorance. If done willfully, its equivalent to lying. Example: Belief ≠ acceptance Faith ≠ trust.

[@vinx.9099]

I don't think this is correct. I believe in aliens. No one has shown them to me, but I find the reasoning of some people convincing. But I also don't promote it as a fact like overly anthusiastic theists do for god.

[@V0idFace]

I’m sure it’s possible for you to be more wrong in this video…but it’s genuinely difficult to think of how.

[@groberkriegproductions]

he said some* btw

[@V0idFace]

@@groberkriegproductions …and? Whether or not he said “some” is completely irrelevant.

[@groberkriegproductions]

@@V0idFace well ngl i dont think anyone even thinks that way, well maybe some but i think its way fewer than what he is saying

[@V0idFace]

@@groberkriegproductions nope, it’s none. No people, no atheists, think the way he claims. Every single thing he said in this video, every claim he tries to refute is a strawman.

[@groberkriegproductions]

@@V0idFace i think there is some like that but its far less than what hes talking about

[@k9kelly]

I have a question. Do you just read atheist minds or can you read them all like Prf X?

[@andresreal8261]

You don't actually believe in God. You know he doesn't exists, but you just like to pretend you believe that in order to act like you're better than other people. Hey, if you can do it, I can do it just as well.

[@bobleonheart9600]

Atheism doesn't remove meaning. Meaning in life is found through experiences. You found yours through your faith while I find mines through my friends. Ultimately meaning is subjective

[@auntietheistjuror]

This might seem a bit obvious, but you could try asking atheists and believing what they tell you. I know, mind blown!

[@solidussnake2567]

Except they themselves don't know. Mind blown

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

And this is what they say is it not?

[@auntietheistjuror]

@@solidussnake2567 You’re one of those people that claim to know the minds of others better than they do themselves, it’s an unpleasant trait.

[@auntietheistjuror]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j Um. The purpose of this video is to tell you what to believe about atheists regardless of what they say, surely you see that. It’s pernicious. It’s not like Imran Hussein has a shortage of atheists to ask in his country. At last count just less than 50% of the population believed in any God and the number is dropping fast. This isn’t about converting atheists, it’s about stopping adherents leaving.

[@auntietheistjuror]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j Just letting you know I did reply to you, but it has been blocked. This could be innocent enough, but is more likely because only simplistic criticism is allowed on these types of videos.

[@2l84me8]

Whether people want to submit or not is completely irrelevant. You’re either convinced of a proposition or you’re not.

[@vinx.9099]

I mean, it becomes relevant when someone is convinced a god exists, but at that stage you're not an atheist anymore. You might be a misotheist, buy not an atheist.

[@----f]

Yeah but have you heard of belief bias and motivated reasoning? It seriously affects your ability to accept an argument

[@righty-o3585]

What is the source of your information about atheists and how they think?

[@tommy2972]

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[@groberkriegproductions]

again he said some*

[@righty-o3585]

@@groberkriegproductions So? That doesn't change anything in my question.

[@groberkriegproductions]

@@righty-o3585 rexcuse my behaviour bro i was very asleep and started thinking everyone posted the same thing

[@shardinhand1243]

by your claims of what youv heard from athiests its clear youv never spoken to an athiest, try talking to athiests not making up fake ones.

[@groberkriegproductions]

He said some btw* so uhh he doesnt mean you who actually has a reason

[@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube]

Ah it's easier to just lie about athiest then to find out the truth

[@shardinhand1243]

exactly, and i think part of the problem is to religious people anyone outside the religion is tainted with evil, so they cant risk talking to evil people, that could lead to gasp, diconversion... they want to remind deaf and dumb to any posible revilation of truth so long as truth doesint fit theyre naritives... its pethetic cowardice.@@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube

[@thomasdevlin5825]

If the only real reason an atheist wouldn't accept islam is because we just want to do whatever we want then you'd think there would be allot more atheist anarchists. If I'm so self absorbed that I would damn myself to an eternity of suffering just to avoid worshiping Allah then why would I let a government control me? It's also pretty ironic that you accuse us of being egotistical when you literally outright deny our reasons for not believing and insist that you know what we actually think

[@asianhippy]

I like to think I am a good person without any sort of belief in any deity, but if you need a god to tell you how to be good a good person, then do not stop believing.

[@roqsteady5290]

Problem being that the texts they get themselves indoctrinated into have a very mixed message.

[@friendlymurtad]

Salam alaykum brother.. I am an ex muslim and became an atheist for 9 years now… I can confirm with you that what you THINK the reason we atheist reject islam is FALSE.. at least for myself… You are saying its because atheist REFUSE TO SUBMIT TO A HIGHER POWER… Needs to give up; seeing ourselves as a God that created our own reality. And because we do not want to give up certain desires… I still remember the day that I realise that I cannot anymore believe in Islam. I was heartbroken, because my intention was to increase my faith and to face the challenges of scrutiny from the kufars.. But as i found more and more flaws in islam. I couldnt believe it anymore and I literally cried out of sadness.. Because I devoted my life to islam and i loved Allah and Muhammad.. I prayed that night, to God, if Islam is false please show me where you are. which religion is true. I only wanted God. It felt like someone in my family just died. I didnt become an atheist overnight.. First it was islam, then i rejected theism and became a deist… and after many years ive made peace with myself and accepted i dont believe in any Gods from any religion therefore i am an atheist. (it does not mean i reject God.. its just im not convinced by any) I did got into depression, because of losing my faith, being in the closet about it, and fell into an existential crisis.. But as years passed, doing a lot of reading. philosophy, understanding reality and science. Focusing on being a good human being. I fell i am fulfilled like i used to back when i was still devoted to Allah. u think we dont accept islam because we want to sin?? brother pls. stop being judgemental.. I dont drink alcohol regularly.. only sometimes. maybe once in 2 years? i recently stopped smoking. i dont do drugs. Im married and i dont cheat.. i dont do anything immoral.. i do charity.. i donate to the UNHCR, Kidney and Cancer foundation every month. Tell me again how i dont want to accept islam because i dont want to be restricted? oh i do eat pork. but is that the main reason? lol no. i only ate pork after i stopped believing in islam. and the first bite was very difficult because of the lifetime indoctrination. I feel disgusted as i swallowed my first pork. but i didnt leave islam just because i wanted to eat pork. i have no problem submitting to God’s will.. i used to pray 5 times a day. The problem is i am not convinced now. I can submit if its true. So stop assuming and talk to us. 😊

[@groberkriegproductions]

very interestingly most of my muslim friends were athiests and become muslim yet this guy is wrong on why they joined which is very akward :/

[@groberkriegproductions]

also he said SOME*

[@friendlymurtad]

@@groberkriegproductions yes he said some but i doubt he got the reasons from talking to any atheist at all..

[@groberkriegproductions]

@@friendlymurtad yeah my bad i said it to early i dont think this guy has ever met an athiests unless they were babies

[@groberkriegproductions]

Hmm i am very interested by your reasons for leaving islam as many of my friends are athiests who converted to islam

[@remor698]

Interestingly, while you missed the primary barrier for me to become a religious believer, which is me not seeing sufficiently convincing reasons to move away from my atheistic understanding of reality, you did get remarkably close to my secondary barrier. I do indeed refuse to unquestioningly submit to a higher authority due to me considering everyone of equal value, no matter their experience or power, and while I don't consider myself my own god, I have figured out that everyone is omnipotent within their own mindscape. In effect, while inapplicable to physical reality, I do know how omnipotence and omniscience work and feel like, cast one narrative layer down (meaning like an author and the contents of their writing). As a result, worship is permanently out the window unless it definitively serves some vital function like maintaining the deity's existence, indirectly maintaining the universe; and any ruleset set by an omnipotent creator that is at odds with just practical morality, which I am operating on currently, would be the topic of a calm chat with said creator, which shouldn't be an impossible ask by virtue of omnipotence being a thing they have. Technically, both of my barriers could be removed by whatever omnipotent deity there may be sitting down for a chat with me, but considering the distinct lack of such an event having occurred so far, it seems highly unlikely that whoever may or may not be at the helm of this reality is humble enough to even directly engage with just any random person and/or lacking actual omnipotence and/or omniscience to pick up on and follow up on one person's want for a chat. The former possibility puts me immediately at odds with what their ideas of right and wrong may be, while the latter is actually part of the foundation for reality to be a fascinating tragedy, where there may be a creator trying to make everything go right, but not having the capabilities to take action as much and as well as would be necessary, to the point that their very existence is a topic of debate.

[@iremembersomethings]

As an atheist I can assure u the thought "I know God is real, but maaan I really like to sin" never entered my mind. That's preposterous. What actually happened was, i was sincere with my beliefs, I tried to learn more about my beliefs so I could be a better believer. After years of examination the RESULT (not the goal) was atheism. I didn't want to be an atheist I ended up as an atheist.

[@groberkriegproductions]

He said Some*

[@iremembersomethings]

​@groberkriegproductions2356 I know what he said. I am simply sharing MY experience and according to the comment section I'm not the only one. So it begs the question, what atheists is he talking about or is he just making up a strawman to make his "argument" work?

[@groberkriegproductions]

I am very sorry bro, i was staying up and went a bit too crazy, my bad on my part ( for some reason i posted like 9 comments of the same thing )

[@CortxVortx]

You fall flat right out of the gate: Those *are* good reasons to reject Islam, as well as all other religions. Until you demonstrate that gods exist, there is no good reason to believe in them. And, by extension, no good reason to believe in Islam. You have accomplished nothing.

[@snuffywuffykiss1522]

You have obviously never even spoken to an atheist. First thing you need to do, before any other arguments. Is just show your god actually exists in real life in any real detectable way shape or form. Start there. If you cannot even show your god is real then no argument or old book matters.

[@vinx.9099]

How can I refuse to submit to a higher power when I don't believe in that higher power. That's like telling me I don't get into your car because I'm a distrustful person while I can't see or interact with a car. Whether or not I'm distrustful can't come into the picture yet as I lack the ability to even get in the car.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

Lol, tell me you never actually listen to people without telling me you never actually listen to people.

[@tubeincompetence]

Haha. Such a comedion. You can't be serious for sure? :)

[@sandrajackson709]

Sounds like you are projecting. If you fail to find meaning without the belief in a god, or a sense of morality which btw no religion has established that their doctrine established rules are objectively moral than that of any other religion or non-religion out of the many faiths that you have subjectively decided the one you chose is the basis of morality. Simply beliving the words you read are inspried by a god does not make them objectively moral. If you cannot be a decent human being without the beilef in a god or finding meaning and purpose then that has absolutely nothing at all to do with atheism. That is simply a "you" problem" Your emotional need for a god does not suddenly produce one. I am one who is convinced that if a god exists you wouldn't have to look for signs one exists, listen to other people tell you that there exists a god and that they can speak on ones behalf that you are supposed to believe have no interest in controlling you, nor have to try and prove one exists if one really wanted you to know of his, her, it's existence. A god that would be willing to reveal his words through a book but not himself? That seems like a pretty obvious one not to fall for to me. Not even once has this physical reality even shown that what theists are talking is even possible to even cite it as a candidate explaination for anything. Because "I don't know must be magic" I find in no way compelling enough to believe in a god

[@whyibelieve786]

Your analogy is of a snowman telling another snowman, "no one fashioned and created us." Be merry and deny all our complex systems around us, for don't you see, just accidentally like everything else the sun finally is out this warm sunny day.

[@sandrajackson709]

@@whyibelieve786 Never understood how not knowing produces a knowing. of a who instead of a what. Personal incredulity that complexity could not happen any other way than having a designer in no way produces a designer let alone perfect design that shows no signs of being perfect. Neither does believing in a desiger make anyone the gatekeeper of meaning, morality, and having a fulfilled life neither the gatekeeper of logic or reasoning. I merely suspend belief in a designer until it can be shown as a candidate explanation or that it's at least possible

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

@@sandrajackson709 it's called an anology, an a.t.m. has regular in & output as a sign of intel design. cells are far more complicated and abiogenesis even with intelligence and manipulation is a fail, creation is logically true and darwinian evolution is the religion.

[@sandrajackson709]

@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 cells that turn cancerous certainly are a fail for intelligent design and fine tuning. When your assertions turn into applicable theories used in medicine let me know.

[@nadirahmed4224]

I would like to invite you to examine the scientific evidence for Islam. It has been debated with Atheists. Can I share one with you?

[@xPumaFangx]

When I was a young boy. My parents used a baby sitting service with the local church we went too. After they left me there. I walked up to the woman who ran the program. I politely asked her like any small child would act, "Is there really a god?" She was shocked and said, "DON'T EVER ASK THAT QUESTION!" She walked away and we never really saw her till she came with Mcdonalds. Then again when a priest explained to her in front of me that everyone walks their own path. Does that mean, Allah is right and Yahweh is wrong? No, why is that? Well lets talk about actual logic. You both claim to be of the same religion. That Islam is just the newest version of the Jewish thing. Yet all three groups have a different name for god. That is just the start of why I do not believe in any type of religion. Theists also seam to fallow a pattern when they start taking us on. You always insert a false idea. And pretend that is the right thing. You are a liar. After a while you accept and give up. Then you go away for a while.

[@groberkriegproductions]

gmm it seems you have been scared by religoeus experiences ( Alot of athiests i know are ) and also i would like to discuss specifically about " islam just a new jewish thing "

[@xPumaFangx]

@@groberkriegproductionsWe can talk. But you already fucked up. "seems you have been scared by religoeus experiences ( Alot of athiests i know are )" If you feel that atheists are afraid of religion. I do not think you are able to grasp the idea that there is no such thing as a god. Because it also means you have wasted years of your life dedicated to a cause. For a reward that does not exist. __ Now lets talk about how you are actually a Jew. What do you want to know?

[@jb888888888]

Quran 6:111 "Even if We had sent them the angels, made the dead speak to them, and assembled before their own eyes every sign ˹they demanded˺, they still would not have believed-unless Allah so willed." It's God's will that I not believe in God. Who are you to try to subvert God's will?

[@fujoshipeanut5074]

The best way to convert someone is to let go of your arrogance and actually accept that you are not omniscient of the entire mindset of an entire group of diverse people who only share one single thing in common. Let go of your arrogance and find out what atheists believe (or don't believe) and then challenge those ideas.

[@NEMOfishZ92]

So lying clearly isn't considered immortal under Islam I see

[@zorba9660]

If atheism is a belief then turned off TV is a channel. !!

[@0x777]

Your argument is that I don't want to submit to a higher power. It's rather that I don't want to waste my life. As far as I can tell, this is the only life I have. And I plan to make the most of it. Wasting it scooting about on my knees trying to appease an imaginary being feels like wasting the limited time I have. Here's the deal: If your god, whoever it may be, doesn't ask for any of my time or doesn't limit my options to do what I need to do, I have no problem with him. If he wants to do that, I have not use for him. I only have this life to live. And I plan to not waste a moment of it.

[@elliejohnson2786]

The number 1 reason I do not accept Islam is because I do not believe the claims Muslims make about Islam, nor do I accept the Qur'an as the word of any god.

[@786Ranger]

Bro Imran do you know many atheist that accpeted islam. Seems rare...

[@solidussnake2567]

Andrew Tate was an atheist

[@ImranHussein]

Yes

[@mustachemac5229]

Ask yourself: How can someone who doesn't believe in a god... accept Islam? So they accept the doctrine of Islam but not Allah? Hmmmm. I have my doubts.

[@solidussnake2567]

@@mustachemac5229 when someone accepts islam it's understood that they now believe in God, it shouldn't have to be spelled out

[@mustachemac5229]

@@solidussnake2567 Ok, but if they accept Islam then they wouldn't be an atheist anymore. Am I missing something, here?

[@edgarmatzinger9742]

You claim your god exists. And atheists don't believe that claim. That's all.

[@potts995]

#1 reason for me is that Allah isn’t real LOL. Any deep dive into the history of religions will inform you of this, highly recommended.

[@marekkedzierski8237]

Reasons I don't believe in Islam. One of them is beards - any god that supposedly tells people how they should shave or what they should wear is too petty to be real.

[@bobleonheart9600]

Ok so I'm an atheist. My primary reasons for not believing is that there is no good evidence for God and that the writing which the faith is based on is unreliable in sooooo many ways. You don't want those answers though. Ok so now ignoring those factors and simply assuming that God does exist and that the Quarn is "from God" as you say. I still would not become a Muslim... or a christian... or join any Abrahimic religion. All questions of whether they are true aside if the Gods they present were real then they would be monsters and I would do everything in my power to defy them. I have read the Bible and the Quran and they do not describe a loving caring God to me. They present a God which wishes to be seen as such but in reality due to the actions he partakes is a cold hearted monster who cares only for himself and those who worship him. He appears as a cosmic dictator of such scale that it's hard to believe that anyone can believe the BS loving, caring crap. Unfortunately this leaves you in a pretty awkward place. If you take away my actual answers for non belief and you want to force me to believe then you leave me with only one choice which is to oppose you. I don't want that. I'd much rather just be allowed to stick by my primary answers and not believe because there's no evidence. I'm fine with you believing whatever you want to believe in your own time as long as you don't try to force it on everyone else and in turn I won't try and force you not to believe as I do.

[@Orbital_Dew]

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[@tommy2972]

You have been logicked. Try again.

[@RR_theproahole]

People do whatever they want to do, no matter if they are Muslims or atheists or Christians or what not. I challenge you to find two Muslims with exactly the same view of Islam and exactly the same view of God, you won't find any. That's how society works, that's how this world works, what do you want? Everyone with exactly the same behaviour, exactly the same worldview, exactly the same beliefs? Don't you think the world will be a boring place if everyone converted to Islam? So isn't it good to let people be exposed to different ideas, choose what they wanna believe and stop crying like a literal baby? Just stop misinterpreting different people and try to understand their genuine position and be mindful of how many different ways a human individual can choose to derive meaning from. I hope my comment works and you don't make another embarrassingly bad video.

[@jn69uk]

Why would anyone "want" any "god" to exist? No proving or disproving. Just why.

[@strugglingengineerstudent942]

Hey, atheist here, I’d convert to Islam if I could have a beard half as immaculate as yours 👍

[@groberkriegproductions]

athiest have beards that are cool! >:(

[@strugglingengineerstudent942]

@@groberkriegproductions They sure do and I'm not one of them unfortunately

[@HussainFahmy]

💯👍

[@KHABIB-TIME]

May Allah guide us all to the straight path.

[@shardinhand1243]

id rather listen to someone wise than allah.

[@KHABIB-TIME]

@@shardinhand1243 Allah is your Creator, to Whom is our ultimate return. May Allah, The Most Merciful, The Most Gracious, soften your hard heart and guide us all to the straight path, the path of those Whom He has favoured and not of those who go astray.

[@shardinhand1243]

@@KHABIB-TIME the most merciful and gracious eh?... tell me, what will allah soposedly do to me if i dont end up following him?, i say end up rather than chose becuase your gods supposed to pick and chose who he saves anyways so my choices dont even mater in your sad cult doctrine, but please, say again, what the mercyful god will inflict upon me eternaly if i just fail to belive in him?... which again acarding to him was never something in my control anyways.

[@shardinhand1243]

@@KHABIB-TIME your ancestor, mohamed created this version allah or at least inserted himself in the texts as a means to control the people under him... he was a warlord and tyrant and he knew that making himself part of religion would not only tighten his hold over the people for years to come, but imortalize his legazy of brutality rape, and indoctrination as a work of good... becuase anything done in gods name is autimaticly good... a pethetic imoral mindset but one thats completly taken over your culture... tragicly.

[@fred_derf]

@@shardinhand1243, writes _"id rather listen to someone wise than allah."_ I'd rather listen to someone real.

[@Syed_12]

All >GOOD< Hindu Christian Jew Muslim Will Enter Heaven Quran 2:62_21:94 All Religions Are Valid Path To God = Allah Quran 5:48

[@dadush4]

No they are not. Stop creating your own religion and start worshipping the one true God. Not vishnu, not jesus, not zeus, not thor, not buddha, not the monkey king, but the only ONE true God. And islam is the only way forward.

[@fred_derf]

@@dadush4, writes _'Stop creating your own religion and start worshipping the one true God"_ Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe, may leaf be upon her!

[@llofdarkwater9152]

@@fred_derf - And, may you be blessed by His Noodly Appendage. R'amen.

[@jb888888888]

@@dadush4 Didn't Muhammad do that? Create his own religion that is. And Abraham before him.

[@dadush4]

@@jb888888888 no.

[@vigilant_2731]

Brother first off I just wanna say I love your content and may Allah reward you for all that you are doing. However I'd recommend getting a pin on mic for videos like this so that the audio is a bit more balanced

[@V0idFace]

Imagine liking the nonsense in this video LMAO

[@darrylelam256]

You love people blowing smoke up your a$$? Because that''s all he did in this video. Christians make the same dumb claims about us atheists, its not true when they say it and it sure isn't true when you say it.

[@skepticsinister]

See appropriate response to this video from Logicked.