Why Some Fans Are HATING Final Fantasy 16

[@Real85Deal]

For me FF7 remake still has the best combat for me. The hybrid mix they did with that game was so entertaining

[@pla6ue]

While I prefer turn based, FF7 remake is infinitely better than what 16 is. It’s completely lost it’s identity

[@Disastra]

@@pla6ue It's so funny, because I remember some absolute dork saying the SAME thing about FF almost 30 years ago when FFVII came out. And that level 99 omega dork was just as wrong back in '97 or '98 as you are today, all these years later.

[@yasuke3020]

​@@Disastrait's like they think they are the first person to have the opinions they argue themselves into. It was funny and pathetic then, and it still is.

[@apparentlysomeone2103]

@@Disastra What are you talking about? Did you even play any final fantasy games prior to 7 they all had the same mechanics. 12 or x2 were the first to deviate in the formula in any real way.

[@theseekersoflight2271]

​@@apparentlysomeone2103dude, 9 is normal rpg, 10 is rpg with time mechanic, 11 is an mmo, 12 is an hybrid, 13 is another experiment, 14 is an mmo, 15 is an open world action based game, and 16 is a dmc like game. They change a looooot. Edit: Also 8 have a different approach to magic and in ff2 you increase a stat you have to use it (to ncrease hp, lose hp, to increase strength attack)

[@Jokertron3000]

Just wanna give a shout-out and shine a light for my good friend Vincent Fallow who voices protagonist Clive in the German version. An incredible achievement for a fantastic voice actor to whom I cannot give enough praise 🙌

[@davidgeorge3944]

Awesome. Truly a landmark achievement. I bet he's over the moon with the critical reception it's getting, he will become quite the celebrity now in Germany as the voice of Clive. Chuffed for him.

[@keit99]

Is the German Dub good?

[@Jokertron3000]

@@keit99 I'll be honest, I haven't played the game yet. You could probably find some dialogue from that version and decide for yourself. I've heard a bunch of Vincent's lines and they're epic.

[@kirstyf]

I've never played a Final Fantasy game before, but played the demo on this one and really liked it so I'm looking forward to getting into the proper game!

[@scottguffie7759]

For those who want an RPG that has: a party system, turn based combat, a fantastic story and all the other goodies that came with the older Final Fantasy games yet were designed for modern consoles you need to try "The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel". Although there are technically 4 games in the Cold Steel series and they are sequels to some older games it is actually completely doable to start at Cold Steel 1 without having played the older ones as 99% of the backstory will be explained if you pay attention. I should also mention that I and many others consider Cold Steel 1&2 to be a single game divided into two parts with 3&4 also being a single game in two parts. As one last note the final game of the entire arc called Trails into Reverie is coming out at the beginning of July 2023 and I absolutely cannot wait.

[@SuperGunnster]

Nice one! The DL is happening. I also enjoyed the Battle Chasers game.

[@keit99]

Generally all of the trails series. (Trails in the sky 1-3, trails from zero, trails to Azure, trails of Cold steel 1-4, ...)

[@keiviroque5666]

Also the SMT games

[@dogman6687]

In what way is FF16 an rpg? Just seems like a pure action game

[@theseekersoflight2271]

Eikon skills, attack, defense, magical damage, skill upgrades with accesories, equipment divided in weapons and armor too, fantasy world building. Normal skills than can too be upgraded, numbers when you hit an enemy, damage multipliers... God of war, kingdom hearts and nier are pretty similar in these terms and those are obvious rpgs

[@renereyes2648]

​@@theseekersoflight2271This👆

[@renereyes2648]

​@@theseekersoflight2271it's an Action RPG like the mana series or the YS series.

[@theseekersoflight2271]

@@renereyes2648 Exactly, the original comment say that it isnt an rpg, but it is an action rpg. What it isnt is a game with turn based combat

[@PeachM0de]

Honestly, after the trailer, and some gameplay snippets, I’m curious to play this. I’m not a Final Fantasy fan, but the change to straight up combat is intriguing.

[@mandoweldar4826]

Always hated turn base combat

[@rushpatriot2866]

It's a lot better than the majority of trash they release you'll probably enjoy it. I like the combat character and world building. It's also fun to find out what the new eikons look like

[@thantisman]

It's a combination of people not able to accept something different, and an over reliance on their own opinion. A very very fool take most people have is confusing their own opinion as fact.

[@davidmeier2164]

I'm about 8 hours in and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. I've enjoyed the characters so far, the graphics are great, and (though a little basic) the combat is approachable and flashy. I highly recommend it to anyone on the fence.

[@breakthecode4634]

Approachable and flashy is an insult for video games imo

[@JoshWiniberg]

I loved the first 15 hours. What followed was a disgrace. I'm really curious, as your comment was a couple of days ago now, whether your opinion held up? I went from "best FF since IX" to "this is an absolute disgrace of a game" in the 12 hours following the end of the first act. I'm hoping it will get better but honestly at this stage the damage is done. Best I could give it is a 5/10, and that's assuming they turn things round and pull off an amazing final act.

[@blaket1841]

@@breakthecode4634 It's designed for zoomers that don't know better. Trading interesting tactical choices in a TBC for brainless hack and slash followed by Michael Bay QTE is a disgrace.

[@breakthecode4634]

@@blaket1841 facts

[@luvstagrind]

As someone who prefers turn based combat, I've been wanting a FF game with DMC style combat. I want to feel like a badass warrior on the battlefield and this will finally scratch that itch. Stranger of Paradise almost worked for me but it wasn't quite there

[@leardscottjr5399]

Strangers is way more nioh then dmc that’s probably why

[@beck7607]

I'm just so upset at the lack of party and character building. I can take the move away from turn based, but building my party; choosing jobs, equipment etc was a key element of FF. They've never had very "meaningful" side quests and always lots of amazing cinematics.

[@markb1170]

A lack of character building? Can you cite some concrete examples here? I‘m genuinely curious where you found it lacking because I personally found the way characters were written very good.

[@giantnerd14]

@@markb1170 I think they meant building mechanically, not the plot.

[@beck7607]

@@giantnerd14 yup, that's exactly what I meant.

[@keit99]

Final fantasy hasn't been turn based since FFXII

[@JoshWiniberg]

​@@keit99and it's not been good since X.

[@Ravenfeeder23]

I think if you didn't get to try FF Crisis Core, you missed the first try at this. No pause for using items, spells, abilities. M.C. is very emotionally driven and gets limit break finishers for most characters and summons. I'm so happy I have it back, and on my playstation.

[@justinsinke2088]

Honestly, FFX was really the last true turn based FF game (in my memory of the series anyway). Not counting the MMOs of 11 and 14 (as an MMO simply has a different baseline of considerations from a single player game), Final Fantasy has been slowly evolving such that FFXVI feels like the end of a metamorphosis rather than any kind of sudden shift. 12 still had an active time bar (I think, it's been a while), but the action didn't stop (or maybe it did) and they had the gambit system so that you could focus on only controlling one character and you set the parameters for how the AI handles the others. 13 had less micromanagement with the paradigm system defining everyone's roles in a particular setup, and leaned again more towards the action; you had classic spells and such, but it was still largely non-pause and there was an emphasis on causing a "Break" to get in big damage. 15 further pushed it with less menu usage and more on-the-fly decisions with the combat, with the AI party largely being it's own thing while you controlled Noctis alone. And now with 16, it's about Clive and action. It's been a shift in philosophy over several games, such that from a gameplay perspective, Final Fantasy no longer means what it did 10-15 years ago. Personally, having started with 7, I kinda miss the hybridization of magic in tech in a society, as I've never been that big a fan of "high fantasy", so I'm curious if 16 will define the baseline for a few games to come, or if the FF brand will continue to evolve with every game. Personally, I miss the "old school" of Final Fantasy some. I loved FFX and how they made turn order so transparent that you know exactly who was going when coming up so you knew you could afford to delay with a character because your healer will go before the enemy and can see how your actions will affect the turn order in advance. I enjoyed the larger party dynamics that occasionally allowed scenes to play out a bit different, as who's in your party at the time may react to the scene, and the others in it, differently, so playing the game again with different party compositions could actually shed new character insights. The more single character focus keeps the "important" case comparatively smaller, which isn't bad, but I kind of like the wider cast of varied characters a party system allowed. Oh yeah, the whole "Nova Chrystalis Project" or whatever it was.

[@pipz420]

If they ever made ff11 combat single player without pauses that would be dope. ff16 does not appeal to me cause I don't like god or war or dmc. FF12 is close but it could have been so much better.

[@roguerifter9724]

What about X-2? I actually preferred the gameplay to X because I remember when I first played V at my best friend's house I was thinking how fun it would be to be able to change jobs mid-battle.

[@shryko]

I enjoyed 11, but as you say, it's an MMO, which requires simultaneous action. I've not enjoyed anything I've tried since, though. And going back to X or earlier is a bit painful, but still more enjoyable than the newer ones, to me.

[@pipz420]

@@shryko I feel we needed to build off of 11 and 12s combat. Ff7 remake tried to and it would have been fine here. Or even Skyrim combat. But this is so far from what I wanted.

[@countryboyred]

It’s crazy how different everyone’s opinion is on these games. I consider myself a big FF fan too. Loved 1-6, 7 was ok, hated 8, 9 is my favorite, 10 was meh, never played 11, 12 was good, and never played 13. 14 was awesome, 15 was a mess of a game although I had a little bit fun with it. 7 Remake was incredible, probably the most fun I’ve had with a final fantasy game since 9. So I guess what I’m saying is I have absolutely no idea what to expect from this game.

[@drgonzo123]

Josh Brown, I suggest picking up FF6 from the recent pixel upgrade, or FF9. Both amazing games that have the classic FF hallmarks like turn based combat, an eclectic cast of characters and an epic story.

[@joshbroown]

You know, after this video Scott truly sold me on FF6. Maybe later this year!

[@pipz420]

FF9 still feels 100x better than most games today.

[@daksans6764]

@@pipz420 By most games you mean Final Fantasy games. Right??

[@GracelessTarnished]

@pipz420 There just don't make games like they used to. Classic JRPGs from the SNES and PS1 era were like books that you couldn't put down. There might be stories in modern games but despite the fancy visuals the scope never comes close to those classics.

[@daksans6764]

@@GracelessTarnished JRPGs were always trash. Games like Half Life and Deus Ex revolutionized the gaming industry

[@Xoulrath_]

Its an action game. It was meant to sell more copies, plain and simple. Yoshi P. even says as much. Its a great action game, and it will deservedly so sell a ton of copies. But the reality is that this change was about money, and not about making the best FF that could be made.

[@richardkeitz9869]

its a devil may final fantasy cash grab

[@hussainmemon5139]

Well they flopped cause its not selling as well as they hoped

[@CurtTheHero]

It took a while to click for but FF16 absolutely has the sould of a Final Fantasy game It's semi-open linearish structure really ech that of the old, pixel final fantasy games. The going town to town (where each town has its own theme musically and from a story perspectiv) kinda dealing with people's problems really struck me as Old School Final Fantasy. Dungeons that are kinda themed arpynd the Crystals felt VERY old school FF to me as well as the different boss and mini bosses. The kind of incremental gear upgrades to make as you progress too Its easy to look at the combat and the removal of a lot of RPG Elements and think that its not Final Fantasy anymore but if you look beyond that and look at the big picture, you can absolutely see the spirit of the series intact. I was shocked at how much coser it felt to Retro FF than modern FF on a lot of fronts

[@CurtTheHero]

All this said, I agree that 7 Remake nailed FF combat as the best of both worlds IMO. I enjoy 16s but absolutely see why some fans feel alienated I still think there is a perfect FF to be made but with the recent titles they absolutely have a lot of the right ingredients imo

[@vindex7309]

This is a game designed for people who enjoy games. It doesn’t seek to copy what came before and has themes and tropes and blah blah, but it does this in its own way, and it’s beautiful. Everything is so top quality it’s hard to come up with a negative that really brings down the experience. Edit: I really agree that the story is 100% final fantasy. Eikons (Aeons, Summons)? Check. Crystals (Materia)? Check. Over the top action? Check. A brooding main character (who, for some reason, isn’t Latin or named after a weather phenomenon)? Check. It’s actually got it all but in such a unique and interesting world.

[@Astraeus..]

Isn't Latin or named after weather phenomenon.....so you mean like the vast majority of main characters in the franchise? Firion, Luneth, Cecil, Bartz, Terra, Zidane, Tidus, Vaan, Noctis....and that's just the numbered mainline games.....

[@herobxon9709]

@kickingbackpunchingcones4099 it’s funny because even though the battle director is the same person who did dmc’s combat, 16 plays nothing like a dmc game and if you think it does then you either haven’t played enough dmc or haven’t experimented with 16’s combat enough. it takes some inspiration sure but it’s still very much different

[@herobxon9709]

@kickingbackpunchingcones4099 calling the eikons “genshin impact abilities” is so laughably wrong LMAO they’re nothing like genshin impact’s abilities and calling this game a “mobile version” of dmc is a pretty insane statement but you do you man

[@herobxon9709]

@kickingbackpunchingcones4099 i’ve beaten the game twice lmfao. and your “facts” aren’t facts at all. you just sound delusional

[@Kuj0Jotar0]

One of the greatest final fantasy games ever. If you want 2d turn based games look elsewhere. Ff had always been about cutting edge, evolution and quality. This game has that in boatloads. The key defining trait of a Ff game is being uncompromising and to make a game as if it's the last game you still ever make. If you know the history of Ff you will know what I mean

[@herobxon9709]

EXACTLY

[@jhknightmare5131]

Complaints about “too many” cutscenes? Weird quests Have y’all never played a jrpg 😂😂 You stay classy FF community

[@pipz420]

Even for a final fantasy this is more like a movie. There is very little rpg elements.

[@talentroller4413]

except this plays nothing like a jrpg let alone an action rpg lol

[@brad2932]

Man, it feels like media outlets are all hating on fans who are critical of this game. Calling us all old trolls. I really really wanted to like it. I don’t need turn based or open worlds. But this game feels like walk for 3 mins, watch 30 min cutscene. Repeat. The combat mechanically is cool, but lacks any difficulty or sense of strategy beyond, wail, stagger, unload. Ff10 did not have an open world, but it felt huge because there was so much to discover in every zone. This game really has no mini games, side quests, companion interaction. The summons fights are stunning, but here take 1 min to press square, is not very compelling. And everyone tells you you’re a dick if you don’t like it? This game has enormous potential. I appreciate the darker tone and plot. But I really feel like it’s an interactive movie.

[@nickhall_music]

Hot take 13 has some of the best combat in the series. Just played it before 16 and it's so dang cerebral. It's like the regular turned based systems but on steroids

[@matthewharris517]

I would recommend playing Dissidia as an entry to FF for me it was Dissidia 012 on PSP that got me into FF because it has most of the characters from previous games

[@kellyheios]

FF16 is a good story driven action game with amazing visual presentation. But having played most FF titles it was quite a departure from the genre. I wished they did add some of the core rpg elements of the series. Fighting fire bombs with fire element felt weird, Marlboro losing it's trademark status maladies... feels like the recurring mob were just placed there for nostalgia and lost their identities. The game is literally centered on Eikons representing elements yet it lacks any strength/weakness elemental synergies. The action combat is good but could have used a little rpg stuff here and there rather than just figuring which combination chains better. Not a fan of QTE's but I get they're there for the cinematic presentation. Great game for players not familiar with the series still.

[@beardo7]

I thought the same last night - faught the Bombs for the 1st time last night and thought "I only have Fire and Wind magic at least Jill has ice magic." But makes no difference you can just user Fire attacks/skills against them which did feel a bit odd and a shame the different elements strength/weeknesses weren't included. I supppose it's so the Eikons can just be used as more of a "Nuclear deterrent" for story purposes so 1 isn't more powerful vs others? Though (slight spoiler alert) Bahamut vs Odin (Light vs Dark) was a pretty cool battle.

[@rushpatriot2866]

Most sane FF fan hate take

[@userxv]

Not a game. An interactive movie.

[@AmeiWasHere]

Never played ANY FF game, i know of the series but just never cared to play any of them. But im very curious about FF16 and might have to play it.

[@natsune09]

I totally understand why its getting hate. Its not like any other FF16 and people saying its a FF Devil May Cry are right. I played the first FF on NES and loved it, I was blown away with FF4 and that is the best FF (and I will fight anyone on that). I disliked FF7 because it strayed from medieval setting of FF too much. I stopped playing with it. I was excited to see it go back to medieval setting, but I was shocked how different it was from the other FF games. I still like the game and think its fun, and that is what is important really. But I see why people are giving it hate. I don't think anyone can deny how good the graphics are though.

[@jorgerivera5003]

I totally get you, but it's been decades since FF started, changing and trying different things is not that bad. If you don't like it it's ok, but I don't think it deserves hate, quality is there, pretty solid for me

[@notoriousbmc1]

I havent been following any of this games production. No trailers, skipped the showcases, no demos. Now, after seeing some reviews, it looks a lot more interesting than i had expected.🤔

[@wykellbrown6360]

If they did something like grandia extreme would have been more excited. I wish they tried to reinvent the strategy RPG genre.

[@pseudonayme7717]

Ooooooh, Grandia! 🧡 Love all those games. I think Grandia 2 would be my favourite but 3 and Extreme were fun too.👍

[@AaronWettekin]

As a lifelong fan of FF I am loving this. It definitely has issues (lame side quest, paper thin RPG elements) However, if this is what the future is it'd be cool if they made smaller titles in between bigger games with a more old school style. Give us the best of both worlds!

[@mappybc6097]

Thing is, it won't. FF17 won't be like FF16 in tone, story, or gameplay. All FF games are departures from each other.

[@michaelmacorso4479]

As a platinum games fan i feel right at home with this game. I love it my interest in final fantasy drop off after 12 this game helps.

[@Urwrngshtup5791]

'I'm gonna trust you on that.' 'I'm gonna trust me too!' Wonderful.

[@Westside_Mac]

I've never played a final fantasy game before but I played the demo for 16 and will for sure be buying it

[@michaeljohnson6905]

You still haven't played a Final Fantasy game. XVI is in name only and has none of the hallmarks or charisma/character that drove the previous entries

[@Westside_Mac]

@@michaeljohnson6905 then what is one that I need to try out

[@michaeljohnson6905]

@@Westside_Mac I'd suggest 4, 6, 9, 5, or 10. Final Fantasy used to have this thing about exploring dark themes/tones without taking itself too seriously, which sometimes made it hit that much harder. But there was always an air of positivity to the lead characters. That is, until Nomura took over and the series started taking itself too seriously. Snow from 13 is basically a satire on the heroes from 1-6

[@Westside_Mac]

@michaeljohnson6905 and they all have turn based combat, correct?

[@michaeljohnson6905]

@@Westside_Mac some have ATB others have traditional turn based

[@Lordbaronvontexx]

I also thought there were going to use the ff7 remake battle system

[@mappybc6097]

Why? FF games always have different battle systems.

[@cactusmanbwl1990]

It's a game designed entirely for people who aren't fans of Final Fantasy. I wish they would have taken more of a Dragon's Dogma style approach with combat styles.

[@luvstagrind]

Final Fantasy fan here. I've been looking forward to this all year

[@cactusmanbwl1990]

Luvstagrind cool, but it doesn't change the fact that you aren't the primary demographic they are going for.

[@AndreiCatalin42069]

Couldn't have said it any better, it's medieval DMC basically, they are trying to attract everyone else to play it and if some of the older fans like it and accept it then good, if not then whatever, they don't care about 'em, they stopped doing a long time ago.

[@FlipFlab]

@@AndreiCatalin42069is that a bad thing though? I mean this is one of the longest running franchises in gaming and it’s only extremely recently started to actually cater towards different types of people. And this one game isn’t a big flag going up saying “all forward games from this point on will be just like this!” To me as an outsider looking in, who very well may play this as a first final fantasy game just outta curiosity. I feel like this is just one more case of a game series having a unique different flavored game, and they’ll see how it lands and sells. Look at Yakuza, now they have turn based style game and typical beat ‘em up. They didn’t throw the old style to the wind for the new turn based stuff. They’re doing both. Feels like all the typical final fantasy fans are mostly just stomping their feet about change.

[@MAJINNOBU]

It literally feels like a final fantasy game in almost every regard other than combat and the gear system. The aura of this game is literally final fantasy

[@dbeardsley0]

Loved 10, 13 trilogy, 7, 7 remake but 16 is my absolute favorite. I wanted to love 15 but even the Royal edition didn't really work. It's story was just too broken apart. 16 is the best of everything in the series, it's combat rivals its creators Devil May Cry 5

[@jalai_]

FF16 is cool I do miss the days of FFX and prior though.

[@slashdef]

The last one i properly played is FFX (a tiny bit of FFXV) I tried the demo last week. Bought the game immediately after. Loving it so far.

[@Dugga49]

FFX is my favorite of the series. I started with 7 and have played every mainline game (not including 11). I’m about an hour or 2 into FFVI and so far so good. The game play is a bit button mashy for my liking and I would’ve preferred a more turned based approach. However the story is mint. Can’t wait for the classic “big twist” FF normally pulls in the 3rd act.

[@pipz420]

FF11 still has some of the best story. Totally worth playing.

[@Tazer_Silverscar]

There's a few reasons why people aren't playing this game. The fact that it's still a Sony exclusive is part of it (budget and platform constraints). Nearly £500 to play one game if you don't own a PS5 already is not good. As much as Square are saying that they are taking into account their severely limited install base, I don't think they actually are. I think they believe that this game will be a console seller on its own, when, if any previous game didn't get you to sink over £400 on a console, this game probably isn't going to change that. Also of note, there's a fairly reasonable part of the fandom who aren't into the huge lean into action. So Devil May Final Fantasy is not going to appeal to those people either. I like Devil May Cry. I've played a lot of it. Personally, I don't want it in my Final Fantasy. As has been said by other people already, this game is largely made with people who aren't already fans in mind. If you really like your gritty action games, by all means, go for it. If you don't, there's other games out for you. They're just maybe not Final Fantasy titles. Or even Square titles. I'm not sure they're even bothered that they're potentially chasing away fans (in fact, I think they've specifically said as such).

[@whitey00112]

True, but the side quests are very well done in this game. They aren’t always super rewarding. But they, usually, aren’t super lengthy and are typically kept around the area you’re already exploring. And the main reward is you are getting a TON of world building from them. There are many things that I’ve learned about the world just from dialogue coming from throwaway characters during side quests. Like I did not realize what the branded were until a particular side quest explained that they aren’t just lowborns or slaves. There’s something particularly special about them.

[@brandonmajor9331]

I completely agree. Also some of the side quests are dark and morbid.

[@austindrake4697]

Square has DMC Dev vets in house now.. why would they not give the DMC type combat a go??? Stoked for ff16, can not wait!!

[@talentroller4413]

well that’s coz ff isn’t dmc. quite obvious why not

[@austindrake4697]

@@talentroller4413 gonna be one of the highest selling FF games in a long time.

[@hussainmemon5139]

@@austindrake4697you might wanna retract that statement…

[@SuperGunnster]

Not played it so am not poo pooing FFXVI at but but I just wanted to say I really miss the old school turn based combat and hope FF makes a return to that system at some point.

[@ryancraig110]

You can use the Phoenix shift as an invasive move but you're better off just using the dodge the Phoenix shift will always send you towards your enemies

[@abdullahmalik7217]

Pheonix shift doesn't give u I-frames, as I found out when I tries using it to shift into an energy wave and got hit by it. Tht men's it specifically a distance closer nd not meant to be an evasive tool. Sure u can dodge attacks using it but you can do the same with the lunge

[@ryancraig110]

@@abdullahmalik7217 exactly and if you don't attack with the Phoenix shift your left vulnerable for a couple seconds letting enemies just hit you

[@CBrown]

My problem with it is that it's not a very good "game". There's far too many cutscenes and it's not just volume, it's how how they are used. You watch a 3 minute cutscene, walk 10 seconds down a hallway, and then trigger another 3 minut cutscene. You walk a little bit ahead and, for whatever reason, a cutscene needs to initiate combat. And then when that ends there's another cutscene. God help you if you're doing the side content because just going straight through the main scenario means you'll spend as much time NOT interacting with the game as you do interacting with it. What makes it worse is that a lot of it feels like filler, with overly long goodbyes and unnecessary dialog (does Clive really need to shout his brother's name as much as he does during a certain sequence and do we need to keep stopping every few seconds for a cutscene as he does it?). The combat system isn't great either honestly as swapping a resource pool like Mana for cooldowns makes me feel like I'm playing an MMO, especially given how easy 99% of the enemies are. When I got the ability to block and wanted to try it out I literally stood in front of enemies for seconds waiting for an attack while they danced around me doing absoloutly nothing for seconds at a time. It's wonder the combat feels so underwhelming, the enemies don't really pose a threat and without a resource pool to manage you can't even pretend like there's trategy involved. You just mash whatever button or slap them with whatever OP cooldown you want. There are some bosses that challenge you but only because they hit like a truck, not because they require any real strategy beyond avoiding the easily avoidable light bullet-hell type attacks. The Eikon fights should be cooler than they are but for me they are just annoting because there's just so many particle effects all the time it's really hard to see what's going on at times. I know I just did something cool but I can barely see what it was. This would be an OK action game but it's a really poor RPG which brings me to my issues with this being a Final Fantasy game. It's not that I think the franchise can't evolve beyond the genre it's most known for (they have an awsome rhythm game for instance) but for a mainline FF game this doesn't feel good. I miss having a party. I miss the in-depth character development you used to get from each member of your party. I miss having some actual agecny in how I played (I'm beyond tired of the swing-magic burst combo that you must repetetively do between cooldowns). There's so many, for me, useless abilities that you're forced to have; all of those Eikon abilities you cant switch like Garuda's grab. Why can't I swap that button for something I personally find more useful? I know what it does to larger enemies but why even design the combat like that? You're basically forcing me to use an ability during every encounter because it's borderline dumb not to. Oh, and they made me kill a chocobo. Unforgivable.

[@damiandekker474]

I love x-2 so much, as cheesy as it is. And xiii-2 is genuinely way better than the first one lol

[@nightmarelycanthrope2230]

Would love to but it has a exclusive deal with PlayStation so nobody can play the new final fantasy on switch or Xbox until the deal is up

[@OversoulGaming]

I'm a huge fan of the Final Fantasy franchise. 10 and 4 are among my favorites, I do prefer the turn-based combat but that being said the demo for this game absolutely blew my socks off and I think the action combat works perfectly for the setting and graphical enhancements. I will admit, it is a little immersion breaking to have turn-based combat in a game with realistic visuals. I understand the shift to action in order to appeal to a more modern audience. I actually think this game has strong Game of the Year potential. I don't like that other Final Fantasy fans are gatekeeping the franchise behind combat systems. That's pretty disgusting and I don't recognize those people as a fellow fan if they do that. It is possible to like both the new and old. Last thing we need is this turning into another Star Wars situation. That's how toxic fandoms are created

[@Aeroasduck]

Are bigs and wedge in it?

[@patrickbalmes801]

they only appear in I, IV, VI, VII, VIII, X, XIII, XIV, XV in main series

[@chazclark86]

Game is amazing, honestly. So much fun, graphics are cool. The Eikon battles are amazing! So dark as well. Just wow, go play it!!

[@jasewildheart]

I totally come from Josh's atandpoint. Never realky cared for turn based combat but love the settings and characters / art style etc

[@danaparsonsliquidcosmosart2669]

Nice twin peaks t-shirt! And great ff discussion.

[@Chozzeone060907]

As a massive final fantasy fan, I really don't care about the action-based combat. It looks fun. The problem I have with this game based off previews and some reviews is the side quest look absolutely horrible. The lack of party is disappointing. One of the key parts of almost every final fantasy is the bond you have with your party members and the story that it tells and it feels like that's lacking a little bit. This game feels more like a perfect example of style over substance which is fine, but it's not what I look for in final fantasy. The itemization system looks terrible. There's very little RPG elements. I haven't played it myself so I'll leave that to judge. But it looks like if Michael Bay and the creators of game of thrones made a video game.

[@GilbertTV14]

I agree with “Tie-dus” not “Tee-dus”🥳 also I would love for Josh to play FFX and here his thoughts, goofy as hell but my 2nd favourite in the series behind FF7Remake

[@pseudonayme7717]

The one with blitzball? (or one of the ones with blitzball anyway) That was awful, or at least it was awful after you get to the blitzball bit, I was enjoying it prior to that. I quit when I got to that bit, ridiculously easy and no fun to boot. Without the blitzball, it might have been my second favourite, with the blitzball it doesn't even make my top 10.

[@rafaomegax]

From my point of view... FF16 seems like it is something made as a necessity. They needed to inject "Final Fantasy" with new blood and new sources of funds for future amd current projects... it is not something made out of passion. FF7R is the passion project and the hope of both the developers and the fans. But it is also taking a bit long that it, maybe, funds aren't flowwing as freely as before. It is hard to talk about this. But for me... FF16 isn't a main-line game. It was almost there, but it was lacking. It almost frels like a side-game much like dirge of cerberus or Revenant ofnthe Wings or even VAGRANT STORY. I would have accepted it more as if it wasn't "XVI" I did NOT like ff13 but it still feels like an FF game, and FF14 feels like a main-line game because of the story... (i never got to play 11 so I cant say anything about that) But 16 feels a bit lacking..? Bit different... Speaking of which... was there any "Fantasy Technology" in FF16... I don't think I've noticed any... since I've been dodging spoilers. There isn't any Magitech, Airship-tech, Steampunk andnthe rest right? Is Crystal-Tech a thing here?

[@ryancraig110]

I personally have to disagree with final fantasy 7 remake having the best combat system in the series that would be x or v

[@iamthejolson]

No video on the Nintendo Direct? Given some of the announcements that surprises me

[@makasete30]

The comment section would be a cesspool of Nintendo haters, unfortunately. Even this video already has some weird haters clogging up what should be something positive…

[@Irrevenant_]

​@@makasete30it's true. Haters and console wars fighters. Honestly it happens way too often even when the video never directly mentions one or the other company. These people will kill and die for a company that doesn't care about them.

[@daksans6764]

I mean toddlers really love Nintendo but nobody here seems to be a toddler

[@iamthejolson]

@@daksans6764 I mean if you’re trying to prove the other commenters right about toxic people who would denigrate others just because of video games they enjoy you’re doing a great job! That’s pretty impressive performance art

[@daksans6764]

@@iamthejolson Should people really take out their time and discuss about AA and low budget Nintendo games

[@BaldingClamydia]

13 is the only one I've played :D I liked it

[@sid-86]

I'm enjoying the game, would definitely recommend it. But I also don't think it feels like a final fantasy game. You can tell its heavily influenced by Game of thrones which gives it a very western feel. But it not feeling like a FF game isnt really a valid criticism when Im enjoying everything else about the game. It also reminds me a lot of a forgotten Square Enix game - infinite undiscovery.

[@BradyVindagrof]

FFXVI is epic! My favorite battle system is from FFX but I've come to accept that we're not getting turn-based anymore. Once I did, I've loved an appreciated the newer games. My first game was FFIV.

[@aphillyate1]

FFXVI is not an RPG; it's a button-mashing 50-hour movie.

[@cosmic0_0wizard]

They're all connected because of a multi verse

[@studiomaguyvertv3872]

25hrs. In & I can tell you the story and combat are 2nd to none !!! My favorite FF game yet.

[@perkosean]

Both of them

[@lachezarindarov9281]

Is it Laura Palmer from Twin Peaks in your t-shirt?

[@GotCamel]

The weakest part of FF16 is the combat. FF7R had the perfect blend of action and ATB. It allowed plenty of room for strategy whereas FF16 is just a button masher.

[@YukiA816]

Wtf are you talking about? FF7R is also a button masher

[@motojauntx]

40 hours in and I’m getting so bored. Pointless gear, trolling pickups, useless party members and button mashing is the best strategy for 90% of the combat. Sure the drama is compelling (mostly) and boss fights have some epic moments but, if I have to complete another quest by “talk to X on the balcony…talk to X on the stairs…talk to X on the balcony again…” imma fall asleep.

[@spetsu1]

So I've played every final fantasy game except 8, 11, and 13. To me, final fantasy is about a great story and the moments that just amaze you. It's about the magic system and bestiary. It's also about innovation. For those who played Final Fantasy 1, you were playing a D&D campaign a few different enemies in the bestiary. From then on, they kept innovating, and without that, no one would have their beloved atb system. Final Fantasy wouldn't be where it is today without innovation, and if they don't keep innovating, the franchise will die.

[@LuisMoralesOnline]

False.

[@spetsu1]

@@LuisMoralesOnline How is that false?

[@YukiA816]

@@LuisMoralesOnlineso you think final fantasy would still be around today if they just kept making 16 bit turn based fantasy games? So just FFI over and over with no change? Cause that’s what you’re saying

[@YukiA816]

@kickingbackpunchingcones4099 he didn’t say anything but “false” if he won’t elaborate then one can assume his intent. It’s up to him to decide to articulate what is false about the statement. Then again seems like a lot of people bitching about the game can’t articulate why it’s bad besides it being “bad”

[@YukiA816]

@kickingbackpunchingcones4099 he didn’t say anything but “false” if he won’t elaborate then one can assume his intent. It’s up to him to decide to articulate what is false about the statement. Then again seems like a lot of people bitching about the game can’t articulate why it’s bad besides it being “bad”

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

To quote a random bro from TrueBladeSeeker’s comment section: “No one hates FF games more than the FF fanbase.”

[@Space_Ache]

Truer words are rarely spoken. The entitlement required to tell the developer of a game that their game is not a "true" Final Fantasy game are equal parts hilarious and sad. Final Fantasy has never been and should never be defined by a single thing.

[@suscrow661]

Unfortunately, most Fandoms are like this😢

[@nathanmichael167]

Ths game is built for non fans. its a non final fantasy game packaged aas one. ITs not about the turn base, its the lack of a party system, action combat and strategy. Ths game isn't an RPG , it has few rpg elements. Its an action adventure. I"ve had to see final fantasy, a game once created for intelligent people dumbed down from managing a party of 12, to a party of 3 and now its built for people that can only do 1 thing at a time. ugh There are a few final fantasy's without turn base. But the sheer lack of rpg elements, parties .

[@pontoon4567]

Cheer up

[@AndreiCatalin42069]

Straight fax man, it might be a fine game on its own, but not a fine Final Fantasy game, and i hate how this series evolved into something almost completely different.

[@kevingame3198]

But the level up system is akin to diablo and borderlands

[@Papa_Squaat]

I'm looking forward to this, we can still have turn based games, I wNt to see both in the ff series

[@mfallen6894]

It's not an RPG... How?! It's such a stupid move, lol

[@AlexFandino-xi3oo]

Im afraid I agree with all the bad reviews. Its pretty looking but thats about it. The gameplay is soulless and gets boring. No substance other than graphics.

[@pla6ue]

We’re not “wrong”. It’s called having an opinion. Lol get over it

[@ismejks]

FF13 cut all HD cities FF15 cut party member control, and characters development, cut story FF16 cut all cities, cut all RPG element, cut all party member building FF17 become a movie

[@thezevi7632]

Started with 8, then played all the rest, hated 11, 13 and 14. The lack of playable party, no open world and from what I've seen so far, very action heavy and linear game. They've stepped far away from traditional Final Fantasy games, I love. Maybe I'll try it out one day when it comes to PC, but for now just not my cup of tea.

[@janwatkins5523]

I'm stoked for ff16 just picked it up earlier today and very excited to get started on my very first final fantasy game

[@afkmh2392]

How ya feel about it?

[@pseudonayme7717]

Get FFXII, it's the best one imo. Better than this anyway.

[@Space_Ache]

​@pseudonayme7717 its funny you mention XII. XII, at release, was the most divisive FF ever. Even more so than VIII. It took years for the community to come around on XII.

[@RahzZalinto]

Ive skipped many great games that skipped PC launch. Could buy a ps5, but i prefer to throw that much extra cash into savings :P

[@daksans6764]

PS5 is not worth buying for a single game

[@pittsworth]

I’m just about 54% of the way through the game and I was super into it at first now I’m getting worn out and frankly bored, I’m committed to finishing it just for the story but I should’ve waited for a sale.. A hard sale

[@pseudonayme7717]

Yeah I feel the same. All the NPC's hating on me makes it hard to enjoy, especially after you help them and they still hate you.🤬

[@jbzhummerh2gamer]

What makes this FF different from others? How about we start with Rated M for Mature.

[@giantnerd14]

If I wanted to play a PlatinumGames/DMC game, I could just boot one of those up. Just admit they swapped genres for wider appeal.

[@degapalgamer3772]

damn this comment section is utter garbage huh

[@ramaset1]

Was thinking the same thing

[@pontoon4567]

Back this

[@BTBSOUNDS]

Played the demo, didn't like it. Too much starting and stopping. Felt like i couldn't play for more than 30 seconds before a cutscene or prompt showed up or i had to go into a menu. It also had what i consider the cardinal sin in gaming where a long ass cutscene ends, you walk to the end of a corridor and another cutscene begins

[@gmorgcyborg]

After over 30 hours .completed all side missions and bruh are they trash besides a handful smh

[@anthopea]

Gotta be fresh 🪥

[@Namorat]

To me it was boring visually, story-wise, overall. I am happy others enjoy the game, though.

[@korn7809]

FF7R has terrible combat... basic attacks are completely worthless. They tied resource generation to them as an excuse to have them and fill the empty spaces in combat. Basic attacks in FF16 at least feel a bit more impactful.

[@korn7809]

@UnjustifiedRecs true and that is one thing that bugged me about the demo, doesn't show off the games combat at all. The basic attacks at least did noticeable damage unlike FF7R.

[@GhalionRabbit]

I'm only an HR in so currently withholding judgment. But I'm sensing the same thing that made me hate 13. So I need to ask. Is this game completely linear like 13 was? I love the final fantasy franchise because I can get lost in and immerse my self in the world which fails spectacularly with 13. Please tell me this isn't an issue with this game?

[@frankiecardona1656]

It don't feel any better to me than 15

[@tkf28]

Its DMC in sheep clothes. FF10, FF12 those àte what i call FINAL FANTASY

[@fullsendgolfsimulators]

2:50 literally just sold me on this alone

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Every final fantasy is different. Thats what final fantasy is according to its creator

[@music8419]

Well.... I'LL play it.... WHEN the pc port comes... Until that... I will close my eyes to all spoilers video that will ruin all the fun for me

[@frankiecardona1656]

Reminds me of tales of arise

[@hurricane.kelsea]

hang on, heavily influenced by game of thrones?? no wonder i hated it from the demo

[@johnciano3524]

How can he be a game journalist and not play a final fantasy before? Really like I get maybe not liking jrpgs but I can't take a gamer seriously if never played any older ff games

[@cometomeifrit]

I agree

[@notoriousbmc1]

A friend brought over FF VII on ps1. I was excited until the turned based combat. After (maybe?) an hour, I've never touched an FF game since. Does that count?

[@DeadTempoPromotions]

What a bad take haha

[@LymeGreen04]

Ff is overrated and not as good as people think

[@IdentifiantE.S]

@@notoriousbmc1The gameplay is just not for you but do you know the story of FF ?

[@SirAthiro]

No thanks. Star Ocean 2 remake is coming out

[@jessewoodyard5709]

Lmfao 🤣

[@SirAthiro]

@@jessewoodyard5709 👌

[@jessewoodyard5709]

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one but that doesn’t mean we wanna see or hear about it

[@SirAthiro]

@@jessewoodyard5709 👌

[@KikRogerz]

Aaron story in ff16....

[@Brofisticus]

Some unbreakable counter-points as to why I don't need to play FF16. I have a PC. I am not spending hundreds on a PS5. I refuse to spend $70 on a game. I am completely immune to hype.

[@Irrevenant_]

Yeah that'll do it I think

[@alexrowbottom58]

Sorry to say but this is a betrayal of final fantasy and what the franchise has been, the whole combat system is a mix of a weak RPG element (buy a weapon, use it buy a stronger weapon, use it etc no ultimate weapons or ability to upgrade it that far) and DMC in fact if you removed the final fantasy assets (names, the summons or at least their elemental types) and you’ve literally got DMC. There’s zero magic options like previous your stuck casting a single spell that is dependant on the Eikon you have active which is also pointless as enemies don’t have elemental weaknesses, there’s no support magic, no curative magic, potion space is limited unlike the 99 you could previously carry, EVERY side quest I’ve come across so far is travel to a location kill an enemy by button mashing and sometimes collect an item that’s it! No ability to control an Eikon at will these are reserved for specific stages and usually involve a cutscene QTE. Story is fairly engaging but is far too medieval for final fantasy. If you removed the final fantasy name from the cover and named the eikons differently then you would have a generic mid level RPG completely unassociated with the final fantasy “identity” sad really but this is no final fantasy other than in name

[@toddspickelmier3728]

I feel stupid. But I just simply don’t like these modern Japanese games vibes…. I know Im alone here cause I’m not in to anime and all that. But something about Japanese games just seem so off to me I can’t get into them. I’ve played all the original FF games even

[@daksans6764]

You're not alone. Most of these Japanese games only appeal to weebs, women and feminist men

[@Hellaluyeah]

The last turn based Final Fantasy was released in 2001 and I will still say, that we haven't had a single real Final Fantasy game until then. And no, I am not going to get over it. The series is and forever will be dead to me. I tried a few after and the gameplay sucked in all of them.

[@BrotherKnowledge.]

I never bothered with Final Fantasy games due to the turn-based combat mechanics. Always been an irritant to me. So when Final Fantasy XV was announced to have real-time combat in it, I jumped on that boy *IMMEDIATELY.* And, maaaaan... did I have a blast with that game! Almost restarted it on Xbox yesterday, but decided to play Strangers Of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin first, since I haven't played it yet. I'll knock out Final Fantasy Type-0 afterwards. Then I'll replay Final Fantasy XV. After that, I will get to Final Fantasy 16 on PS5 sometime next year, when I can get it for $34.00 or less. And with Final Fantasy 16 *finally ditching the shackles* of turn-based combat mechanics completely, I am sure that this will be an extremely good game!

[@oukeith]

You will love 16 very similar combat to 15

[@garypasquill2355]

The side quests are terrible, clive moves too slow,the fights look like an explosion in a fireworks factory occasionally obscuring the screen. The gameplay loop is basically walk,talk, boss fight,repeat to fade.