Why Sonic 4 Sucks

[@shakenbake7777]

I didn't know sega made flash games

[@75JUNAKI]

despacito play country roads Me too

[@Thomas_Studios]

Holy shit you fucking killed Sega

[@gusmichalinos7993]

I though this was on cool math games

[@rollnut4175]

Lol

[@MTH-Productions]

That would make a lot of sense

[@VaerosTrash]

Fun Fact: Sonic 4's boss track was originally to appear in Sonic 3D blast, but Jon Burton (Sonic 3D Blast's game designer) claimed it was so fucking bad that was removed from the game very early on.

[@Zakoxd.]

Well technically it wasn't removed it just goes unused but yeah you're right I don't understand why dimps chose this shit out of all the boss tracks available They couldn't even make their own

[@deadturret4049]

The ost of this game is honestly beyond baffling. This is the same studio that made Sonic Rush, a game that is practically held together by its awesome soundtrack.

[@JmKrokY]

Uh

[@thesmilingman7576]

Well at least he didn't add it in the director's cut

[@elliotmidgley]

Bruh

[@Darksuperchaossonic]

Sonic 1, 2 and 3 have ceiling running. Sonic 4 has ceiling walking, and occasionally ceiling standing.

[@Shadic6098]

Master of Bad Puns [Rai] Hell, ceiling standing can't even be called an new feature because Sonic 06 claimed that feature 4 years ahead of time.

[@Unethical.FandubsGames]

I think Sonic 06 claimed a lot of amazing features ahead of time. That game was the most feature complete sonic game. /joke

[@whiz8569]

+Cao Cao Like rolling on a ball. I'm glad they bought that back.

[@loadedsnail1936]

Master of Bad Puns [Rai] and sonic 5 will have full on celling standing.

[@DCNRS90YT]

Master of Bad Puns [Rai] Ceiling standing sounds impossible.

[@wildberrysherbert3803]

One thing to make you feel better about this: episode 1 was not meant to be Sonic 4, it was originally going to be a mobile exclusive titled Sonic the Portable, which you can tell by looking at the background in Casino Street Zone. But Sega being Sega just changed the name and made it available for consoles for the sake of boosting sales.

[@superdean9966]

F you SEGA!

[@Omeleaffe]

Sega should've made it stay mobile exclusive

[@wildberrysherbert3803]

@@Omeleaffe absolutely

[@thejedisonic67]

decisions like that and the failure of sonic boom showed they learned none of the actual reasons why 06 failed, or in the formers case how they were cheapening the image of the brand without a shred of thought as to why without going to the dumbest scapegoats like humans existing, or sonic having a lot of friends

[@SmashyGuySRB2]

what bit of the Casino Street zone background tells about Sonic 4 was supposed to be a mobile exclusive

[@vriska222]

Every asset looks like it came from a completely different game.

[@randomanimation2624]

I like your jojo icon

[@goroakechi2216]

Because it was supposed to be mobile game

[@vriska222]

@@goroakechi2216 that doesnt excuse it

[@goroakechi2216]

@@vriska222 but I still hate sonic 4 Wait it makes sense Alot of game series the four games have to be bad Look at halo 4 Or black ops 4

[@Serek_Studios]

@@goroakechi2216 everything after halo 3 was trash

[@cumcockproductions6433]

The clownish boss music from episode 1 is actually an unused boss theme from sonic 3D blast. *I wonder why it was unused hmmmmmm HMMMMMMMM*

[@JordanISmith]

I think it sounds good..... when you place it as joke music .

[@cumcockproductions6433]

@@JordanISmith true

[@gabrielhenry7237]

Fun Fact:People called it Eggman’s Gay Circus when they didn’t know what it was

[@ohjoshua67]

That theme felt like something was going crazy in a circus… UGH.

[@_G.C]

@@gabrielhenry7237 Oh so like the big gay dance for dedede. Ytp's were something else

[@monkie7185]

I actually thought this was a bad fangame for so long oh my god

[@gneu1527]

Don't say to this guy that this is a sega game.

[@zalewa6220]

XD

[@doomxprie]

@@gneu1527 Hey, your from the Piggy Sucks vid!

[@PeruvianPotato]

@@doomxprie What?

[@doomxprie]

@@PeruvianPotato She was in a piggy sucks video

[@RustyMew]

Weird choice for them to dip Sonic’s model in Vaseline for this game, but, eh…

[@lorrainehatton1235]

I think it’s ment to fit for the 2d style, the game still sucks tho, the motor bug’s model looks like he’s flat

[@Feenry]

I’m glad the “sonic 4 defense force” made cybershell do this video, cause he would’ve gone into hibernation and this video would never exist

[@Paccyd33]

Cyan Dave some people who actually like this game

[@hyperthethiccboi8698]

@@Paccyd33 or as i Like to call them morons who have no taste in games and just think they are good because it has good graphics that's it

[@legitknight30]

@@chorte Good graphics is not what I would use to describe Sonic 4.

[@maverickagao]

Looks like were on the good timeline, the legend is back

[@legitknight30]

@@maverickagao When J.R.R Tolkien wrote Return of the King this is what he meant.

[@shahtayyib]

This literally looks like it runs on Adobe flash

[@daviepearie1092]

I mean when you get the game you have to use a launcher to play it on pc 😬

[@k-leb4671]

@@daviepearie1092 But a lot of PC games use a launcher. What are you trying to imply?

[@Starpotion]

That's an insult to Adobe flash tbh

[@NvanRoblox]

@@Starpotion He said that because it was made by sega so they could make this look better

[@merkquavious2]

@@daviepearie1092 what

[@Krostian17Chile]

"I can't respect a man who has no problem with the physics in Sonic 4" This guy spittin' facts

[@hanezutchins2786]

I like how Jim used "virgin" as an insult. News Flash Jim, some people will go their entire lives without feeling sexual attraction to anyone

[@milkman2810]

@@hanezutchins2786 news flash moron, it’s a joke.

[@smashmouthegg570]

@@milkman2810 Some people stupid as fuck lmao.

[@milkman2810]

@@smashmouthegg570 you know what, true

[@deszalt4492]

Lol, glad Jim has moved past saying dumb edgy junk like this. It would seem hypocritical now haha.

[@sanicsanic6890]

"Maybe when Sonic Mania sells 15 billion copies, they'll let the mania team remaster sonic 3 and package them in a collection and release it on steam or something." aged like fine wine lol Edit: OH MY GOD HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVER HEARD OF SARCASM!?!?

[@Tobunari]

Yeah, but at the cost for the music - apparently not even Loremaster Cybershell could secure the music - no retainer, no car battery. Also - Sonic Origins is still bad.

[@sanicsanic6890]

@@Tobunari I know this comment wasn’t supposed to be taken seriously

[@Tobunari]

@@sanicsanic6890 Well you're not the only one saying it.

[@sanicsanic6890]

@@Tobunari oh

[@pikachufrankie]

Aged like milk. The origins remake of Sonic 3 was bad.

[@SchmergDergen]

Didn’t know this game had defenders.

[@goroakechi2216]

@@theemblemhunter liar

[@goroakechi2216]

@@theemblemhunter they don't exist Anymore than

[@JogG4DX]

1. They're retarded 2. They're just a little baby boy and they don't know any better

[@zennal2021]

Sonic boom show was decent, game sucked.

[@zaikage7727]

Fr

[@sthgamer_]

Look, Sega literally said Sonic 4 sucks because in the Sonic Mania elevator thing, it went from 3, K, then Mania. They just pretended it doesn't exist.

[@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5]

Yep

[@XErox7X]

That was not saga, that was the person who made the animation. The people that run sage in Japan/Use, are retards. Sonic 4 sucks.

[@sthgamer_]

@@XErox7X Well, don't you think it's good they didn't include it?

[@drsnuff6881]

It doesn’t even have CD

[@sthgamer_]

@@drsnuff6881 damn you're right

[@MarCelo-sf6xt]

3 years later and people are still mad about this video. True masterpiece Edit: My god this comment is nearly as old as the video was when I commented it. How the hell has it been 6 years

[@kieranstark7213]

These people were just jealous because they couldn’t make a valid video like Cybershell here! 😄

[@ZephyrUltimate_]

@@kieranstark7213 true subscriber energy right here 🥇

[@kieranstark7213]

I have over a hundred subs

[@funnigreenman8511]

Amazing this video is A true masterpeice

[@Raymanlegacy]

@@kieranstark7213 very true

[@InkyBoiArts]

The only good thing about Sonic 4 Ep 1 was when they ported it to Kindle, and Sonic had a unique waiting animation that wasn’t him tapping his foot, but jamming out to what looks like a smartphone, or at the least some sort of mp4/ music player. Sonic should get more unique idle animations, like in Frontiers

[@tubaraofluente]

what is the idle animation in Frontiers? I don't remember

[@InkyBoiArts]

@@tubaraofluente in Fronteirs, it changes depending on where you are in the story At the beginning, it’s a typical Sonic idle In the middle when he’s getting corrupted, he looks tired, and near the end, he’s practically on his knees, barely able to stand, but after the game, it returns to normal. I can’t remember the other characters idle animations though

[@Nobody_Shroom]

​@@InkyBoiArts That was a really cool detail lol

[@Star.6739]

For some reason Sonic 4 Episode 1 got an updated model on mobile only

[@Outta-hz1ej]

Why in GOD'S name is there a Kindle port of Sonic 4

[@pantelisfilippidis5179]

Shame that sonic 4 fans cant play their favourite game now that flash is down

[@anscr-hdfan4739]

absolutely destroyed

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Laughs in JavaScript

[@anscr-hdfan4739]

@@orlandofurioso7329 you can play flash games using javascript?

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@anscr-hdfan4739 shit i just got whooshed, never writing comments at 2 AM

[@celesterossi733]

You can play it on mobile

[@megamax6004]

The game doesn’t even feel like it’s an official sonic game.

[@creeperYT9824]

It looks like a rip off

[@taxisalad]

It legit looks like the Robert Cop and Nightmare Feddy of Sonic games

[@user-jx6gv9pp4s]

Yeah

[@p.andytheface.475]

Wait, this is official?

[@user-jx6gv9pp4s]

@@p.andytheface.475 Very hard to believe

[@Shirtgama]

Lmfao someone said "everyone likes sonic 4". They would've made that 3rd episode already if everyone liked it.

[@furiousstudios4438]

STOP IT, THEY’RE ALREADY DEEEEEAAAAD!

[@marlosuper]

some wacky people may think mania is sonic 4 episode 3 i mean there's a mod that labels it as such

[@Shirtgama]

@John Stonik allegedly there was plan to make a third one as said in the video but it was cancelled due to the unpopularity of the first two parts and felt they should just give up on the whole sonic 4 idea in general

[@hoodedman6579]

There are games that are very well-liked but did poorly financially, so they wouldn't get a sequel, such as Pyschonauts; Sonic 4 is obviously not an example of that.

[@Shirtgama]

@@hoodedman6579 episode two is an example then

[@genarftheunfuni5227]

My theory is that Sonic 4 was NOT intended to be Sonic 4, just a mobile game to have fun for a while and then forget about it (Sonic 4 ironically enough is better on Mobile than on consoles imo). But some degenerate decided to go "Hey Dimps, why don't you put this goofy game on consoles and advertise it as the 4th entry in the classic Sonic series?" and that's where everything went downhill.

[@joeser6666]

that's not a theory, that's the truth

[@hayato1886]

Considering the fact that in the background of the casino stage you can see an asset they didn't change that says Sonic the Portable, yeah. It was supposed to be a phone game that they ported to console for some reason

[@Star.6739]

*Correct DING!*

[@Im2lazy4thisCrit]

You hit the nail right on the head

[@I_HRT_TallyHall]

Exactly, it was originally called Sonic the Portable and was only for mobile

[@steventechno]

"If this is Sonic 4, Why are we *regressing* in features? The Sims 4:

[@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5]

Don't worry you can get the features back in paid DLC! Just like Sims 4...

[@steventechno]

@@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5 Isn't that the truth...

[@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5]

@@steventechno Y-Yeah...

[@ZoZo-fh6tq]

@@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5 what dlc ?

[@rjante2236]

Oh, like Sword and Shield?

[@OfficialMilk]

Fun fact: a few weeks before release the ENTIRE GAME of episode 2 was leaked with the only difference being a “to be continued” screen after the credits. So the death egg not exploding was supposed to lead into an episode 3.

[@valletas]

Lol gotta love how a few weeks before release they decided "fuck this shit we arent making any episode 3"

[@zanmaru139]

I'm sure this was devastating to both of Sonic 4's fans.

[@theonetruefusion8533]

@@zanmaru139 you suck at wording

[@DonaldVale]

@@valletas oh same with Diddy Kong racing but way sadder

[@VincentVincent_89]

@@valletas lmao

[@comedicidiot]

"No series that released with an episode one only planned to have 2 episodes." *cries in Half-Life*

[@comedicidiot]

@@flordelizhawk358 What?

[@comedicidiot]

@@flordelizhawk358 Yeah, that kinda the point of the "cries in Half-Life"

[@comedicidiot]

@@flordelizhawk358 I can see how that mix up could happen. Sorry for the confusion.

[@fishingrod2253]

ironically enough sonic 4 was gonna get a episode 3 too the god damn irony

[@basilplushie2534]

Hey half life Alex exist

[@macrozs]

Episode 2 was my first ever sonic game, so it has a special place in my heart, but replaying it i could see how "less good" the game actuallly is. I mean it's fun (different from episode 1) and has some bang themes like the metal sonic one, and some cool original boss fights. So with all the flaws show'd in this video i give this game a 6/10 (5+1 point for nostalgia)

[@superdean9966]

Found the CHAD

[@MarginalDoof]

same

[@badpiggyboi3093]

Sylvania castle act 4 theme was my childhood.

[@soupalex]

sonic 1, 2, 3: [gets hit] [throws rings up in an arc so the player can try to retrieve some of them] sonic 4: [gets hit] [throws rings down, through the floor]

[@user-jx6gv9pp4s]

This is true

[@TheReZisTLust]

@nihilistic_ jam sLoGaN

[@M_ZS19]

Bro im dying

[@YoshiLikesFate]

Its Sonic 8 bit all over again

[@YoshiLikesFate]

@Bluei there is a Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 8 bit versions. Try looking it up.

[@daultimatenug453]

"the sonic 4 physics weren't that bad" i bet ya this guy loved 06's physics as well

[@user-ip7xe7hp5w]

Sonic 0’6 was actually pretty fun. Abusing all the glitches was the best lmao.

[@daultimatenug453]

@EggCraft @Jude Johnson I can agree this game was acutally fun when you abused the physics and did the craziest stuff, although some of the bugs didn't help out much

[@Squishito]

@Jude Johnson 06 didn't even _have_ physics, it was just like 4 pretty much but in 3D. It's worse actually. 06 is to the Adventure games what 4 is to the classics. 06 had no momentum, you couldn't even roll to build speed. You ran at the same set speed always no matter what, with a completely straight, stiff, momentum cutting air dash and an absolutely butchered spindash with zero functionality. Every loop or running segment had to lock you into basically a cutscene where you had zero input. This was because thanks to the state of the games physics, the characters were not capable of building momentum or accelerating past their hard speed cap normally.

[@daultimatenug453]

@Isaiah Zialo we all have opinions learn to respect them (i like 06)

[@Vadim-Zヴァディム]

In all hindsight, I see why 06 was bad because glitches etc. As a kid, I never cared for the glitches and just abused them, but people are kinda assholes, they CAN not make a game look bad BY DOING GLITCHES INTENTIONALLY!!! The game glitches barely even happened either. But I could see what it was going for, personally the story was just beautiful, (Ignore the Sonic x Elise shit.) And I really like the Sonic 06 model, and the soundtrack, MMMMMMMM it's fucking awesome, I loved all the missions there was, shadow, sonic, and silver, all amazing in there own ways. I get some of the speed was off, but it felt natural for mach speed sonic. And just look at P-06 (Project-06) it made it all better, animations, some prefixes to physics and overal character expressiveness, and the the quality.

[@djuv4375]

The difference between the bad of sonic 4 and sonic 06 is that sonics brokeness is actually fun.

[@eattheboard1684]

06 also had the basic coding aesthetics of Sonic games, Sonic 4 didn’t even have momentum or inertia, heck, Sonic could walk up walls as if he’s Spider-Man in this game.

[@diamondyoshi6649]

in which one?

[@georgiepig5726]

Yeah and sonics gem meter wasn't programmed correctly so he has unlimited gem powers

[@Man_Aslume]

That's why me and the unappreciated sonic game council have disowned sonic 4 and only kept 06

[@RiversLiver]

That's why I like Sonic 06.

[@YegoKroeten]

I think the issue with the animations is that they're TOO fluid to convey speed. you can see sonics legs move at like 60fps and it just feels like he's dragging them. If they cut some frames out of the animation down to the keyframes, it could MAYBE animate well, but you can't save that model.

[@sk00ks41]

This legit looks like a game in one of those banner ads on newgrounds or something with all those bootleg sonic flash games. But no, they sold it. For actual money.

[@dingledorf887]

Sk00ks glad i aint the only one

[@calvinismail9507]

true I used to play those at my grandmas house

[@Supersonicspyro]

Sk00ks then you need your eyes checked, because this does not look like a flash game

[@memessuce9016]

Supersonicspyro Will lol it looks it's fucking awful they fused all games, threw out all the good features and added more awful features because there we're not enough bad features and idiots like you still like and I don't even fucking know why

[@Supersonicspyro]

GameNiac lol, I don't think it looks awful, and people like you are the problem with the fanbase, forcing your opinion on others acting as if your opinion is almighty fact, this video is entirely subjective, there is absolutely no objective constructive evidence as to why they're bad, and he says people are retarded for liking it, this video made me lose brain cells over how retarded it was

[@Unremarkable6969]

Game Journalists who say Sonic have too many friends are jealous because they have none.

[@weeeeee713]

true lol

[@ToyFreddyGaming1987]

Mr. Edgelord spitting facts

[@ILikeSoda229]

Haha

[@eggrobo]

LMAO

[@jamiegioca9448]

YOOOOOO, GET THEIR ASSES

[@zwxn123]

Being called a "confirmed virgin" by Jim Sterling of all people is fascinating to say the least.

[@bernkastel7438]

No offense but he looks like one

[@zwxn123]

@@bernkastel7438 Yep, that's why I find it funny.

[@cattysplat]

@The Mutineers Considering it was Destructoid which all it had was edgy drama bait to flex on fanboys who had no way to respond outside of forum posts back then.

[@themanwiththebabyhands4650]

It's even funnier now that he's complaining that nobody is watching his videos or his shitty amateur wrestling crap.

[@Chocc_Ice]

@@bernkastel7438 He looks like a giant baby *not calling him immature, he literally does

[@AbruptAvalanche]

The worst part is that they had the gall to name it Sonic 4, as though this game stands shoulder to shoulder with the genesis trilogy. If they had called it "Sonic Mobile" or something, I think it would be less hated. You could more easily write it off for what it is - a low budget game for phones. It also sucks that now there can never be a proper Sonic 4 (something Mania probably could've been). They likely won't make a Sonic 5 either, as to not draw attention back to this pile of garbage. Sega ruined any potential for numbered Sonic games.

[@I_HRT_TallyHall]

The funny thing is, they were originally going to call it Sonic the Portable

[@flynndemeeuw]

How to get splash hill in generations -play green hill with splash hill music

[@LUKASISNOWONLINE]

I hate the attitude some "games journalists" have where we should just be happy with whatever garbage they give us, we deserve to have games we actually want to buy, they don't make them out of charity they're 80 bucks for fucks sake

[@Wilbyheh]

dont worry every 5 years or so we get a somewhat decent sonic game every 5 years or so

[@nman551]

*glares at forces*

[@dram3579]

I don’t really see this comment relating to this video

[@okarowarrior]

@@dram3579 you didnt even watched the video, then

[@satriosukarji1777]

@@dram3579 Did you not watch past 7 minutes? He pulls up a 2010 article when the game came out where a journalist does exactly that.

[@anactualplant9574]

“They gave tails some sort of degenerative muscle disease” you are awesome dude

[@kjrayofficial]

Because they did!

[@menahemmenahem2924]

He gets tired after 7 botton presses

[@michellehuang1501]

Actually, he gets tired from your button presses.

[@M_ZS19]

@@michellehuang1501 thats what pisses me off

[@Yeenuwu]

Looks like a cereal box flash game from 1999.

[@Nobody_Shroom]

That's not fair... Cereal box flash games have the excuse of being old.

[@Caroster5]

God damn absolute violation

[@somehelluvafanboy8357]

16:57 "Oil Ocean's looking a lot more like Sand Ocean right now"

[@Fi___]

Nice

[@folorbipple624]

when sonic said that sand hill line in forces I shut off the game and I still haven't booted it back up

[@Fi___]

@@folorbipple624 i just thought "sure sonic"

[@nanucinos2107]

i hate and love this comment

[@ObviousTrollFrom2007]

"Why?" -Sad Dunkey

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

Funnily enough, the reason Episode 1's boss music wasn't used back in 3D Blast was because the main director didn't _like it,_ confirming that not even the staff likes the soundtrack of Sonic 4.

[@saltee3040]

But 3d blast was made by travellers tales and Sonic 4 was made by Dimps

[@Buttington_Headerson]

@@TheTomatoWatcher everyone makes mistakes

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

I thought it was the lead programmer who didn't like it, though. Or am I misremembering Jon/GameHut's video about Sonic 3D Blast facts?

[@ja-vishaara]

Therapist: "Sonic walking gently up a vertical slope doesn't exist. He can't hurt you." Sonic 4:

[@luk_143]

Ahhhh! He exists!

[@oscar9680]

and there's people who defend this game. imagine that. true fucking lunatics

[@impartialknockback]

Sonic walking gently upside down is even worse

[@yourself1210]

Sonic frontiers:

[@Caroster5]

@@yourself1210don’t you dare compare sonic frontiers to sonic 4

[@beegsoder]

This game makes 06 look like GOTY.

[@darghamo7467]

I'm sure you didn't play 06

[@beegsoder]

@@darghamo7467 I did.

[@shiny8454]

​@@darghamo746706's graphics are better, but it's just way buggier and has bad story choices (kind of like Elise, a human character, kissing sonic, the hedgehog, on the fucking lips)

[@PeruvianPotato]

​@@shiny8454I mean at least 4 had a more consistent art style and didn't suffer from being an uncanny mid 2000s game with blurry textures and models that just look... off.

[@Honestlynothingelse]

​@@PeruvianPotatonow you're right about 06, but i don't see any consistency in sonic 04

[@Kemuja]

"Sonic 4 Defense Force" sounds like a crappy Sonic Tower Defense fan game.

[@HeProteccAtacc]

Lol

[@user-jx6gv9pp4s]

Yes

[@benplus1503]

Made by Hummer Team in 1998.

[@secondperson5694]

Introducing 10,000 sonic 4 fans that'll ruin your comment section!

[@kanalyokartik]

@@benplus1503 somari 4 on snes

[@gooperrr6955]

Now lets listen to Sonic 4’s boss theme *Tik Tok ad plays*

[@MysteriousCowboyoftheInternet]

Dang, the boss theme is so bad youtube thinks you'd rather watch a tik tok ad than hear it

[@M_ZS19]

@@MysteriousCowboyoftheInternet I would.

[@nil8659]

@@MysteriousCowboyoftheInternet I would

[@spookskeley]

Sonic 4 boss music is basically tiktoc dance thing where people would someone would dress up like a clown

[@barreldancer3505]

@@MysteriousCowboyoftheInternet I would

[@jinglejangle1533]

Holly fuck i remember playing this on a retro games website and i thought it was a fan game

[@nil8659]

sonic fan-games aren't this shitty,you know

[@dalton5229]

I like how we have solid evidence now that a fan game literally has the potential to be better than anything Sonic Team has done in like 30 years.

[@ninlaw9810]

​@@nil8659sonic omens

[@IMATIRE]

the fact sonic 4 has defenders makes laught so hard

[@ruddyCCIX]

Well, yeah! Don’t you know what opinions are?

[@DonaldVale]

​@@ruddyCCIXOpinion ain't a thing anymore.

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@ruddyCCIXfacts

[@s-dew]

Idunno i defend episode 2. It has some cool features but the execution is not there.

[@IMATIRE]

@@s-dew i mean episode 2 is fine it tried to fix everything but didn,t know how to execute it im talking about episode 1 here beacuse that game is bullshit episode 2 is mediocre but atleast it tried

[@ShallowHydra]

3:00 You... you monster. you left one ring.

[@seldomstudios6351]

time to RESTART THE WHOLE THING!!

[@forcedcomedy6271]

I'm not the only one who is bothered by that??? Oh yes!

[@yansami9903]

ShallowDepth Lmao.

[@charmyzard]

*W O K E*

[@Bendanna93]

It's a metaphor

[@TeamDoodleBlocks]

Seems like sonic shoes stick to everything... He should put on his *SOAP* shoes.

[@glowkirby]

*Ba Dum Tsst*

[@WoobinTheScrub]

23:45

[@annie_b0dy]

SA2 pun

[@mikusmekss6394]

wow

[@Luna_nasar]

True

[@Squishito]

Just come back Cybershell, no ones even going to be mad, just come back and pretend like nothing happened. You said you were just going to get cigarettes but you've been gone a year, my Mum has been seeing other Sonic channels and I don't like them, I miss you Cybershell. Edit: Dad returned, I am sated. I will return to my slumber.

[@dreadfulroses]

until mania 2 is announced I dont think hes coming back

[@tuffcookie718]

make that two years

[@kaden6297]

Don't miss him he's shit

[@andreystudios589]

@@kaden6297 r/woosh

[@sucidalpikachu2478]

@@kaden6297 well his fans miss him so you don't have to be a ass about it.

[@ohiofartchungus]

the mere fact that this videos comment section is still alive and active after 7 fucking years is crazy, whats funnier is that the debate wether sonic 4 is ass or not is still going on.

[@Hyp3rSonic]

Interesting

[@tacoblude8208]

"Sonic 4 defense force"

[@drago3036]

Or, more accurately: "Sonic Forces me to defend this game"

[@traktor420]

Drago 303 at gun point

[@ViperAcidZX]

Please tell me that's a mod for Earth Defense Force 4.

[@cutman3931]

they can't prove that this game is objectively good

[@guilhermehey3736]

@@drago3036 Do you realize that you made a forces pun

[@Golden-pm8sn]

"you can't even begin to comprehend my autism power level" Loved that line lol

[@lloydthehedgehogirving6049]

Me: *Are you challenging me?*

[@Mrneedlem0use2009]

Yeah I agree golden

[@luginess0]

22:29

[@asteria9963]

@Olivia 757 I don't, and I am autistic. Maybe grow a spine?

[@CadDriftarus]

@Olivia 757 I'm autistic myself, and I always feel seconhand embarrasment when someone gets mad at the mere _concept_ of even using the word autistic. It wasn't even in a negative connotation, dude.

[@thousandpagesofmadness]

It looks like Vinesauce Joel typed in "cool sonic toolbars" in a windows destruction video and this is what he got

[@snicksandstones]

Mug moment

[@SkewerKing]

"I wasn't even that harsh to the game, all I did was call it a pile of shit." -Cybershell, 2017

[@shiroiku9314]

It's honesty though

[@sw4g017]

True

[@TheLonelyGoomba]

Yeah I agree with nearly everything you said on this. Calling it Sonic 4 is just a greedy cash grab, with no regard or respect to the original games it apparently is playing homage too. At the very least, it's an mediocre platform game with some terrible physics and bad level design. The only thing the game does well is, the levels are quite well designed for speed running. Episode 2 improved the physics and was a bit more original, but the level design kinda sucked for speed running / going fast and relied to much on the tails ability. So I ended up liking it less than the first overall. What a disappointment. Even if you are exaggerating to annoy fanboys, pretty sure these are your genuine thoughts on the game.

[@oomfie..]

TheLonelyGoomba will you do a video on the donkey kong land series. Well more about it.

[@Densester]

TheLonelyGoomba *our lord and savior*

[@visoredgruntR34]

Man it's always such a surprise to run into LonelyGoomba in the comments

[@Blueflag04]

TheLonelyGoomba it's a good game you rich person

[@themcspacepro8791]

TheLonelyGoomba you died at the of your Mario & Luigi partners in Time video.

[@Slick_Tails]

Why does the special roll technique look like Sonic and Tails are 69'ing? And yeah, I played episode 1 and couldn't stand it. Utter trash. Thank the chilli gods for Mania.

[@d3-penguin954]

Why does that roll look like they’re 69'ing? Because it’s sonic 4

[@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn]

LMAO

[@iancortescontreras6084]

Tails in 4 ep 2: me and Sonic did it and... it was great

[@cheezyweezzy]

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought this

[@hanezutchins2786]

Uggghhhh why would you give us that mental image! XD

[@WailingGecko]

Why does the game look like Walmart made the entire game

[@DiagonalTanooki]

@@Clover12469 shut up reddit

[@Clover12469]

@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte who said I was

[@Clover12469]

@@DiagonalTanooki I'm not reddit

[@burgerweegy5121]

@@Clover12469 ok what did u say and why did u delete it

[@burgerweegy5121]

@@DiagonalTanooki what did they say

[@artlordanimations]

“I wasn't even that harsh to the game, I only called it a pile of shit.” I already love this video

[@ducksareurlords3782]

Discount hill zone, casino ripoff zone, totally not that worst sonic 1 zone ever zone and stupid fricking metropolis zone ripoff zone.

[@BSGofficial001]

Discount Hill Zone LOOOOOOL

[@GrandDab]

Good job tearing apart Sonic 4 without mentioning the completely obvious gripe of Sonic being slightly right of the center of the screen at all times making it impossible to see enemies before you hit them. Only someone that truly hates a game can dig into it for over 20 minutes and not touch that.

[@notsolykely693]

GRAND BAG!?

[@Formula_Zero_EX]

Do you think that Sonic is *_right_* wing? (Proceeds to leave.)

[@taviethestick]

This is written excactly how Cybershell would say it lol

[@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5]

We did it boys, after years of bitching this vid has reached a million views I can now retire peacefully

[@marcosaurelio1953]

what are you doing here, i am wario

[@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5]

@@marcosaurelio1953 Hello Wario

[@sluigi]

@Retro64 Hi hello shit! I'm dad.

[@thomasobrien1841]

A lot of this makes sense when you learn that this game was originally going to be a mobile spinoff with no association to the classics

[@CakeJerry]

This is my favorite video to watch every night before going to sleep

[@birunnn7813]

Yup lol

[@jehurevo25]

Dats crazy cuz I’m watching this in 3 am

[@M_ZS19]

Fr

[@NosferatuSpider]

5:50 That’s not even new either, the master system version of Sonic 2 had mine carts.

[@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5]

You know they've fucked up when the Master System version is better

[@d3-penguin954]

Sonic advanced 3 had a few mine cart sections in the twinkle snow stage but it’s no where near as clunky as the one in sonic 4.

[@hyrulehero2773]

Sonic Rush Adventure also had mine carts in Coral Cave Zone. Even Sonic Triple Trouble had mine carts in Sunset Park Zone.

[@SSKJ64]

@@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5 the remake is good tho

[@magepumpkin]

@@d3-penguin954 ironically that was made by dimps too

[@seldomstudios6351]

sonic: what's this Fanbase: a well thought out and organised LIST OF COMPLAINTS!

[@scarlysix5034]

My stuff is never well thought out and organised, im a simple guy who likes Touhou, Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, Megaman X, and a little bit of Sonic from time to time...

[@ATerriblePlayer]

Seldom Studios Nice Spongebob Reference

[@NeoGraena]

Seldom Studios the sonic fanbase is: "HERES MY ORIGINAL CHARACTER!!!!"

[@kieranstark7213]

Touhou, Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, MegaMan X and Classic Sonic the Hedgehog FTW!!!! Come at me, Sonic 4 Defense Squad!!!!!!

[@brazencoronet17]

@@kieranstark7213 Sonic 4 episode 1 is a game with great replay value, and is fun time to time. the level design is sound and the graphics aren't too terrible, though still pretty below avrerage. Even mania didsn't scrap it completely with the ziplines from act 2. Sonic 4 ep. 1 is a good game

[@fe2k10]

The Sonic Advance trilogy was the real Sonic 4 for me.

[@siyahseeker]

Sonic 4, 5, and 6.

[@CuriousGuy_]

16:59 Oil ocean is looking a Lot more like Sand Hill rigth now.

[@dusancar0018]

No fucking sonic forses here

[@pineapplemints6342]

Forces is a 8/10

[@Jasmine-pc4qp]

Forces has a great story but relatively crap gameplay

[@ThatSmartYoutubeUser]

Sand ocean*

[@bruhreeios64]

S T O P

[@MrCrossa]

Roses are red, violets are blue, 6:14

[@TheToastOnFire]

Lol

[@Old_Powell_Channel]

Lol

[@TheKrensada]

*claps slowly with great intensity*

[@ImprovingMonk]

Lol

[@nbarrett1184]

Nice dude

[@mozardthebest]

I used to like Sonic 4, but after a while you realize what it is. A claimed "sequel" to the Genesis games that -introduce no interesting fun mechanics that aren't forced gimmicks(super combo thing) -no new level themes or environments, there's not a good original idea in any of these games, everything is based of a past game -the fact that there's no originality is shitty on its own, but what really drives that point in is the fact that this game has nothing to stand on, nothing to make it any better than the gems of the Genesis, it takes all of their ideas and adds: -shitty, shallow level design full of bottomless pits and speed boosters(because the physics are so bad that's the only way to get speed) -physics that are a far cry from the Genesis games, as the sense of control and speed I once had are gone, and tries to replicate that with constant speed boosters, but it doesn't work -bosses that are either shameless copies(Ep 1) or drag on too long(Ep 2) -and music that tries to sound like the Genesis games, but forgot to be good and catchy Sonic 4 just pisses me off, the fact that they aren't very good games to begin with is one thing, but the fact that they advertise themselves as "sequels" to some of my favorite games ever, is salt on the wound. The game only tries to appeal to nostalgia, and once that wears off, you realize that the game is shit. An imposter that doesn't deserve to be mentioned as part of the classic games.

[@inwencja2009]

Thanks.

[@TheHomieLew]

It only takes a minute or two to read, and yet it's several times more competent in addressing the point than an almost 25-minute video.

[@austinreed7343]

mozardthebest Other games before Mania, even those that also used the modern designs and weren’t advertised as follow ups to the originals, were better at this!

[@charmyzard]

Exactly the points Cyber made.

[@elijahbradley704]

mozardthebest it is the same with me.

[@waterbears9874]

The art style feels like if sega wanted to make sonic in a new super Mario bros style, but it’s just ever so slightly wrong

[@Demi-Fiend76]

The only effort I saw into this game is the effort in the credits. they last longer than the actual gameplay

[@AnimatedGalaxy]

I beat Episode II with all Chaos Emeralds and red rings on mobile. That might have been the worst thing I’ve ever done.

[@sithlordmikeyp]

I remember doing that same thing in 2012. I remember enjoying episode 2 somewhat back then, but it looks way worse than I remember it.

[@spawnshell1]

I got super sonic in both games on mobile and console ( mobile episode one is better then console )

[@elijahhodges1575]

Sonic 4 episode 2 (in my opinion) is a 5/10. It needs to get rid of all the boosters and springs. Needs physics from classic genesis games, because it was a sequel to S3&K. Needs more zones and a few more levels. (Like 4 or 5 levels.) Needs better bosses. The ones there are fine, but could be better. Be able to play as sonic alone or tails alone, or even knuckles alone. So yeah

[@illuminticonfirmed6248]

you need to lower the rating to -100/10 there are too many problems to list

[@spence8507]

Same I threw my Kindle fire because it was too hard

[@clovergambit3051]

Accepting a game like this is the reason why we got sonic forces.

[@DonaldVale]

Actually colors ultimate and gender why the fatherless community exist Edit: Why did I talk about genders LOL

[@ky-maniyoung5734]

Why sega why did you have to make a game so bad

[@DonaldVale]

@@ky-maniyoung5734 I agree 50% and disagree 50%

[@ky-maniyoung5734]

@@DonaldVale I'm only 10 years old

[@ky-maniyoung5734]

If you fully expect the game you are insane

[@Lurdiak]

We now know that it was Sonic Team's horrible idea to turn what was planned to be a very low budget mobile Sonic game into "Sonic 4" for marketing reasons, so Dimps doesn't get as much of the blame for this awful game as they used to.

[@Shadow-yc7yy]

7:23 "they're just a little baby boy and they dont know any better" can confirm this is true and i recently found out this game is shit after playing it at 14 years old

[@builderbosc]

good 4 u :)

[@tiagoskinwalk4667]

Lol same

@correctly paved calm down man

[@PhantomOfficial07]

@correctly paved Who just randomly calls someone a virgin?

[@briannem.6787]

I even hated it when I was a kid in year 5.

[@BradyToons]

“I wasn’t even that harsh to the game...I only called it a pile of shit”😂😂whenever I’m having a bad day, I watch this vid

[@TailzDMW]

Same

[@DonaldVale]

I would get a bad day watching this video

[@TailzDMW]

@@DonaldVale L

[@DonaldVale]

@@TailzDMW ??

[@TailzDMW]

@@DonaldVale Why would you get a bad day watching this vid it’s fucking hilarious 😭😭😂😂

[@lossflight]

"And then they'll package all 3 games together and release it on Steam or something" cybershell predicts the future once more (one time being hydrocity in mania)

[@PhantomOfficial07]

Are you talking about the new collection or are they already on steam?

[@lossflight]

@@PhantomOfficial07 im talking about the new collection Origins, coming out next year

[@PhantomOfficial07]

@@lossflight damn

[@minecraftveteranyoda4476]

Well…

[@shocktun3s729]

Holy fucking shit

[@JSins_]

The “Sonic 4 Defense Force” is literally just a bunch of 10yo kids typing swear words into the comment box.

[@Zyl_Libblel]

The boss theme is actually a scrapped one from 3D Blast

[@Hayfurno]

That's cool

[@geraldgreg5370]

I can see why it sucks now.

[@PatrickBoi6497]

You’re right

[@rileymasters1683]

Seems it was scrapped for a reason.

[@virgin2.076]

Ha true

[@Wifi_Thief]

Whoever said that sonic 4 is actually good: Even sega thinks it sucks cause it wasn't mentioned in sonic mania so haha

[@callinater6133]

I think that’s because it was modern sonic that was in sonic 4, not classic sonic

[@Wifi_Thief]

@@callinater6133 not only that, but the physics are awful, just like Cyber explained it

[@faizblue1]

MasterBowser Actually theres another reason (or atleast for me) ITS NOT 2D

[@snarl8]

Wifi Thief i just like sonic 4 for what it is: its pretty fun, and though the homing attack was uneeded remember that rush and advance (apparently) had homing attacks and no one really cared. but hey have your opinion

[@quillllly]

That has nothing to do with whether or not Sega thinks it's bad since Sonic Mania is made by fans.

[@firstaid223]

"No series that ever launched with an episode I was only ever planned to have two episodes." *Half Life fans cry*

[@callinater6133]

Nice stolen comment m8

[@masknask5767]

Lol

[@rappingbeaniedog347]

to be fair, Half Life didn't seem to either if I heard correctly. They had episode 3 planned but cancelled it. So that doesn't quite work. I don't care if this is 2 years old.

[@whiteroach3]

@@rappingbeaniedog347 Exactly the same thing that happened to Sonic 4 Episode 3, except the reason why it was cancelled is different. I don't care if this is 2 years old.

[@bloodykenshiro8218]

I'm surprised you got so much flak. I didn't even know Sonic 4 had defenders to begin with; an oddI surprise that was. In my head, Mania is Sonic 4, and even it has some issues, so the less said about this dunpster fire of a game that casually got the number, the better.

[@charcoalcake163]

This game would be alright If it didn’t exist

[@lore644]

👍

[@digimonlover1632]

I’m fine with it existing.

[@urmom-qb6lx]

@@digimonlover1632 are you a demon

[@S-RM11]

facts

[@smithasundaram9696]

@@digimonlover1632 19:15

[@silvesta5027]

When I was a kid I remember I had this game on the Wii. I never liked it very much, and it genuinely put me off from every trying other 2d Sonic games because I assumed they’d all play like this game did 💀

[@_gherry]

ouch

[@A__random__nerd]

Sonic four was on the Wii?

[@SuspiciousScout]

@@A__random__nerd It was, but only on the Wii Shop Channel via WiiWare. I also played it that way. Episode II wasn't on Wii at all though, just on 360, PS3 and PC.

[@lucasbiff2196]

I've revisited this video so many times I've almost memorized it! Also this needs to reach 1M views. EDIT: LOL that was fast.

[@AnnoyedArt1256]

well watch the video 1m times

[@tasty_cactus]

We're there

[@lucasbiff2196]

oh boy

[@unusualseeker4422]

Lmao 69

[@ajflink]

I enjoyed Episode II of Sonic 4 because it was actually fun and did not feel like an early alpha or prototype like Episode I is. I see the potential behind this game if the team behind Sonic 4 was given more time to work on the game and more thorough testing was done. Does this excuse the final state and episodic nature of Sonic 4? No. To be honest, episodic games, unless you were Tell Tale, always seemed to end prematurely.

[@notunnamed2]

Yep. All of them except Telltales. But at the same time, Telltale ended prematurely so 💀💀

[@ivoryqueen6811]

"no series that launched with an episode one never had 2 episodes" *half life-2 episode 1 & 2 will remember that*

[@hoodedman6579]

Was never intended to; I doubt Half Life was supposed to only be two episodes.

[@ivoryqueen6811]

@@hoodedman6579 i know but the blue rat fanatic said that just sunk the idea that sonic 4 sucked even more i was just making a joke of the sad fate of the crowbar man games

[@Is-wunny]

Street Fighters 3 Part 1, 2 and 3: Haha yes 😳👌

[@JosephFlores-yn4yi]

@@Is-wunny you mean Alpha or Third Strike?

[@stationtostation8765]

Discount Hill Zone Casino Ripoff Zone Lost Plagarism Zone Mad Copy Zone Filler Station Zone Also, with the physics, momentum doesn't EXIST, so it's just a platformer instead of a momentum platformer. There's also no platforming, because homing attack. So the game is... Nothing. That's how I feel when playing this game. My soul leaves my body. -10/10, piece of crap, Dimps should be di-stroyed. (sonic advance and sonic colors ds were great tho)

[@stationtostation8765]

*Momentum platformer* -Momentum- platformer -Momentum platformer-

[@75JUNAKI]

Well they made the Advance series

[@steventylerrocks8382]

@@75JUNAKI Which was only decent.

[@d3-penguin954]

Copy castle zone Plagiarism park zone Oil unoriginal zone Literally sky chase At least they were honest about the death egg though.

[@MissJackietheLakester]

Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure were great in my opinion.

[@ShmooZeroOmega]

"Sorry Tails, if this looks gay for the viewers." -First thing I thought of when I saw that roll combo move

[@Sneedboy]

This comment aged like wine

[@zebrapringlez3141]

OH MY GOD

[@M_ZS19]

tails gets trolled

[@Passinthememes]

If this looks happy*

[@M_ZS19]

@@Passinthememes same thing

[@thedman1754]

Adressing fans who say "Dimps made rush and advance" Just because you make 2 good game series, does not mean everything you make is a masterpeice. its like a chef making 2 Amazing steaks, then taking a shit on the plate for the third and everyone loves it because the last 2 were amazing.

[@Lexkiz]

Straight fucking facts

[@Persac7]

They are only good at Gameboy games They should stick to it

[@thedman1754]

@@Persac7 Rush wasn't on gameboy though

[@saaaiiiko]

Reading this while glancing at your profile picture just makes me laugh for no fucking reason

[@thedman1754]

@@saaaiiiko glad I could make you laugh dude

[@EpicB]

Thankfully, I think we can safely pretend Sonic 4 never happened. If Mania is any indication even Sega themselves want to forget about this one.

[@DonaldVale]

Opinions exists you can cry home cuz I have some serious news your mom isn’t real it’s serious i promise Edit: I AM SO SORRY FOR ROASTING YOU HHHH SAHSHSJWOWJWNWB😭😭😭

[@DonaldVale]

Also 4 doesn’t count cuz it’s modern

[@DonaldVale]

@@mellohi6175 wait? You know my age 11 I’m scared that you know my home address😰

[@DonaldVale]

@@mellohi6175 irrelevant opinions means if your just pointing something out that you like or hate but it is something different than the main thing or something but I know what you mean

[@DonaldVale]

@@mellohi6175 how do you know my age?

[@airshow406]

My reasoning for why Sonic 4 sucks: fucking look at it.

[@donato8983]

Plot twist: It was just a social experiment

[@letsgofishing5238]

Donato 24 :v JUST A PRANK BRO

[@salomongaray2952]

It wasn't

[@GaJ42]

The cameras over there.

[@yocarter9221]

Salomón Garay its a joke

[@GamerGirl54.]

I agree you stupid

[@yxhsst]

"If someone calls something you like a pile of shit you can just shake it off guys, it's no big deal. Now I'm going to have to rub your noses in the shit and make you feel bad for liking it." ~ Cybershell, 2017

[@froghatvampirate]

"You can't even begin to comprehend my autism power level."

[@ShadowKnight5204]

I can though

[@zebuez]

same

[@amazydaisy]

stop using autism as an insult 💗

[@heckno15yearsago]

amazydaisy No.

[@beyondhaircraze4418]

@@amazydaisy It's not really an insult lol

[@JoeNeutrino]

Everything in Sonic 4 looks like it's made of plastic. That destructoid article was awful. The sneering contempt that game journalists have for gamers is sickening. I thought Jim Sterling was better than that but I guess not.

[@JoeNeutrino]

I kinda knew already but I was living in denial.

[@kellyharris-braxton8675]

No it does not suck I'm a kid

[@gamebomber1tv270]

Kelly Harris-Braxton okay.....saying you are a kid doesn't make your opinion better than others.

[@hombreperro4547]

maybe cause new super mario bros played like the old games? i dont know just saying...

[@JustABroom]

Yeah thus game honestly looks like somebody played with a Sonic action figure and said. "Hey!" "LETS MAKE A GAME!!"

[@SingleBaconwich49]

My ratings for Sonic 4 Episode 1: 2/10 feels incomplete Episode 2: 5/10 ok game Sonic Mania: 11/10 feels like an actual Sonic 4

[@laserpester8137]

Sonic 4 ep 2: *has original stages and bosses* Fans: sh*t. Sonic mania: is just compilation of classic games. Fans: genius.

[@Bung-ms9jc]

@@laserpester8137 Mania also had original stages, and it certainly remixed the older stages much better than whatever the fuck Sonic 4 could come up with. I dont even remember the names of the zones from Sonic 4 because they're fucking forgettable

[@laserpester8137]

@@Bung-ms9jc (sorry for been long time, im lazy ass)1) those "new" stages using old things, just new skin. 2) Remake ost isn't better then original: they have children atmosphere and they're sound's ridiculous. 3) speak for ur self. U know, i don't see any point to arguing, cus we have different opinions/tastes. Lets just accept each-others opinion, ok? 🤝

[@Bung-ms9jc]

@@laserpester8137 everything you said also describes Sonic 4, even without the level design and stage theme the Mania's physics are true to the original genesis games, that's what got people hyped. Sonic 4's physics sucked ass, and the Mania ost is way fucking better than anything sonic 4 has. That ost takes inspiration from all of Sonic's genesis titles and even CD, meanwhile Sonic 4 has the most generic shit I've ever heard save for the metal sonic boss fight in episode 2. Which leaves episode 1's ost utter shit

[@pants1800]

Sonic and Knuckles IS the real sonic 4.

[@montydoesgames]

I know thos video is years old, but my version of Sonic 4 Episode I on my phone makes the screen rotate with Sonic on EVERY SINGLE LOOP. It is INCREDIBLY disorientating and makes me want to AVOID the loops

[@jdub2003]

I know Cybershell’s channel is currently dead but I feel like sharing a story. When I first got my hands on Sonic 1 and 2 about 4-5 years ago, they instantly hooked me. They just felt right to me, and were games I played for hours despite them being short. So being a new Sonic fan at the time, obviously I’d want to play more of games like those 2. So I downloaded Sonic 4 Episode 1 and was instantly flabbergasted by the downgrade. Everything felt like a bootleg of what I liked, and it just felt like a rip-off. I didn’t need to be a long-time fan to feel disappointment from that game. This was especially heightened by the fact I played the mobile versions, so I was comparing the excellent Taxman ports of the Genesis games to a shit mobile version of an already bleh game. I’ve had a distaste for Sonic 4 ever since. I recently played the Steam port and I still hated it, this game deserves every amount of criticism it gets and then some.

[@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5]

I have a similar story, the difference being I was like 6 and apparently retarded because I *LIKED* it Don't worry I have evolved from my mortal beginnings

[@portablerefrigerator4902]

@@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5 well you arent anymore, the scout profile pic and name prove it.

[@Bago-hb8wy]

The only thing i liked about this is hat it had so much potential and i loved what they where trying to do but GOD they executed it poorly,other than that nothing else is great Wait this is an old comment what am i doing here

[@Bago-hb8wy]

And also i thought episode 2 was okay...,it wasnt good but it wasnt bad in my opinion,i kinda enjoyed it but its not something I’d defend or anything,it also gets boring

[@portablerefrigerator4902]

@@Bago-hb8wy yeah dude, this comment is from the dark times when cybershell was hibernating

[@hankenthusiast6187]

Sonic 4 is so bad that Sonic mania didn't feature it in the elevator. -Nathaniel bandy

[@Persac7]

I saw it

[@gaminganimators7000]

@@Persac7 me too

[@Persac7]

@@gaminganimators7000 lol

[@DiamondBull66]

because it's not classic

[@Nayplays1]

@@DiamondBull66 more because it's shit

[@colingznetworkplus4618]

The metal sonic music in Episode 2 slaps though, like genuinely.

[@Vadim-Zヴァディム]

@@RandomNameLastName811 i actually like the synth

[@shadowboy2818]

@@RandomNameLastName811 yeah I hate the synth too ngl. I guess that explains why I hate sonic forces soundtrack too.

[@EpicB]

And the Sonic Robo Blast 2 soundtrack samples it to good effect too.

[@ianschwartz08]

lol

[@goroakechi2216]

I mean i like sonic 4 part 2 So