What is the REAL SONIC 4??

[@XPool]

Hey, commenter! This video was scripted and recorded before Takashi Iizuka confirmed that Sonic Superstars takes place after Sonic Mania. At 15:55, I said that I believed it fit between Sonic 3 and Sonic Mania. I now know this isn't the case, so you don't have to make the comment. The ranking would have likely still been a 4/5 if this was known information. I'll try to ask Iizuka to warn me ahead of time before he makes a statement like that.

[@sourlab]

Lmao I think that was bad timing

[@sourlab]

Also sorry bc of my bad behaviour when you first arrived in shalvous stream I was caught by the hype and I ddint have time to actually think about the problems

[@victorgaminglounge3967]

Now can you make a video called what is the real Ghostbusters 3?

[@gregzotter6189]

How can Sonic Superstars be canon, when Fang is in it? He was only given major appearances in Triple Trouble, Drift 2 and Sonic the Fighters, NONE of which are considered "mainline" games.

[@yggdrasilsaltar]

@@gregzotter6189just because they’re not mainline doesnt mean that they’re not canon

[@GamingOverload]

The real Sonic 4 is the friends we made along the way

[@Ok_productions2.0]

“Let’s show that Creek the real super power of teamwork”

[@Help_Me_64]

​@@Ok_productions2.0*Creep

[@rezenhasqn8308]

"Oh, please, no tedious speech about "super power of teamwork" 🙄"

[@JuanPablo-su6vw]

But they all die so i could get to end. Was all of this for nothing?

[@EberHeim22231]

ROUGH AND TUMBLE ARE THE BEST VILLAIN AND EGGMAN IS NOT SUPERIOR THE ONLY VILLAIN WHO IS SUPERIOR IS IMPERATOR IX FROM SONIC CHRONICLES AND IMPERATOR IX CREATED THE PHANTOM RUBY AND MADE THE WAR HAPPEN IN SINIC FIRCES SO YEAH IMPERATOR IX IS SUMPERIOR TO ANYONE AND IMPERATOR IS A THREAT TO EVERYONE AND SONIC THE HEDGEHOG AND SCOORGE THE HEDGEHOG IS A TRUE VILLAIN OF SONIC PRIME LIKE EGGMAN AND EGGMAN IS NOT THE TRUE VILLAIN OF SONIC PRIME AND LIKE I SAID EGGMAN IS NOT SUPERIOR SO BELIEVE I KNOW EGGMAN IS NOT SUPERIOR AFTER FAILING TO DESTROY SONIC AND I KNOW IMPERATOR IC IS SUPERIOR AND WILL RETURN TO ERAISE AND SONIC AND HIS FRIENDS IN THE NEW SONIC GAME SO YEAH BELIEVE ME IMPERATOR IX IS SUPERIOR TO ANYONE AND DR EGGMAN AM I RIGHT

[@qntrllr]

Why did he say.... "Hydrocity"... like that....

[@sahmedrb]

Why

[@ikasob1]

To get people to comment

[@puggy2894]

Hedrokiydee

[@scytheofatlantisofficial]

What do you mean? He said it correctly.

[@whoisthisnoyes]

@@ikasob1its because it sounds like it would sounded out like that I would probably read that wrong too if i saw that level for the first time not knowing the c is not pronounced with a “k” sound

[@DADA-yt1pt]

As much as I love Sonic Mania, it was never something that screamed "Sonic the Hedgehog 4" to me. Just a really fun celebration of the Classic Sonic games. Also, I've lost count about how many times I've seen a new 2D Sonic fangame and saw at least one "This the REAL Sonic 4!" comment.

[@Amsel_616]

Just like how a lot of games sincr Heroes have at least someone say "This is Sonic Adventure 3"

[@nithpro1385]

@@Amsel_616 P06 is basically sa3, once they add the story bits and bosses

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@wdg2384 There is no second timeline.

[@Ultra_Edits000]

@@ChiefMedicPururuexactly.

[@RandomSkull420]

​@@ChiefMedicPururu The Classic Sonic from Generations and Forces is Sonic from a different universe, meaning there is another timeline

[@TyvenPayne-sv6gw]

I won't necessarily call Sonic & Knuckles alone the "REAL" Sonic 4. It was more of an expansion pack to Sonic 3 alone.

[@1234_Flux]

It's arguably the closest thing to a real Sonic 4 but it's not actually called Sonic 4. Sonic Heroes isn't Adventure 3 despite releasing after SA2 and continuing the story.

[@aquaponieee]

= exactly what the definition of a sequel is according to this video

[@mrjack3855]

Its really just the second half of the game though.

[@aquaponieee]

@@1234_Flux or is it?

[@RM2011ish]

Sonic 3 and Knuckles was all Sonic the Hedgehog 3 just split into two games. Launch Base Zone was pretty much just the end of Disk 1.

[@SamanthaWinter1]

17:48 Everyone is overlooking the pronunciation of Hydro-City Zone. 💀

[@almondmilkbone]

the third secret bonus pronunciation of hydrocity

[@LameNameForSarah]

Deadass. I was like, "STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES." 😂😂

[@Swiwy]

Hidro Kyti 💀

[@theoverseer1775]

Honestly that's the only correct pronounciation

[@handlename88]

nahh that was the WORST pronunciation of hyrdocity that I have EVER heard in my entire life.

[@existential_narwal9257]

I think the sonic advanced series actually evolved the classic gameplay more than the other 2D sonic sequels. It added new playable characters, and new abilities like tricks and team moves. Also the boost mode is very cool and builds on the idea of having speed being a reward for skilled players.

[@SaddieMoon]

10:21 Tbf, I believe this game came out at a time when Modern & Classic Sonic were still treated the same. Like you get a Classic Sonic collection, but it has the modern characters on the box art same.

[@canontheory]

Technically Sonic 3 is Sonic 4 since Sonic CD released after Sonic 2 making it Sonic 3. If you count Sonic & Knuckles as a stand alone game then Sonic Mania would technically be Sonic 6 but if you count Sonic 4 then Sonic Superstars would be Sonic 9 but that’s only if you count Sonic 4 episode 2 as Sonic 7.

[@arzfan29]

Cd happens before 2 chronologically so sonic 2 is sonic 3

[@pond0479]

Big brain moment.

[@peppermintgamer3856]

And counting sonic advance and rush would boost you to 14 but then again there handheld games.

[@buno7089]

Canontheory I agree with you

[@LittleLexi24]

What if I count Sonic Mania Plus as a stand alone game?

[@Frogowning]

The real sonic 4 was the friends we made along the way

[@not_kjb]

Stolen lol

[@Frogowning]

@@not_kjb i made this comment when I first clicked this video.🤓

[@not_kjb]

@@Frogowning no 🤓

[@Frogowning]

@@not_kjb how are you gonna tell me what I did, imbred 🤓

[@greek1237]

Well a lot of Crash Bandicoot fans argue over the REAL Crash 4 lol.

[@LukeStation]

XPool, you score a 5/5 in Uniqueness in my book. You may be the real Sonic 4.

[@SonicTheBlueFastBoi]

Final Score: 20/20

[@gman9552]

@@SonicTheBlueFastBoi lol

[@DanialDEcool]

Can’t wait for sonic 4 & knuckles plus dlc.

[@DanialDEcool]

When is XPool & Knuckles plus (DLC)

[@LaurenEmelyanova]

Awwwww

[@hamzamohamed6774]

17:50 you're pronouncing hydrocity like hidrokyti

[@FaulterYT]

6:34 I always interpreted it (before Sonic Generations anyway) that the flashbacks were the events of the classic games just in a different artstyle/different designs

[@HOTD108_]

Isn't that still the case? What happens in Generations that would contradict that?

[@glogervr]

@@HOTD108_ In generations, we get to know that the old design was actually an younger Sonic

[@futabamajima]

2:41 I'm not sure if this is a translation thing, but I believe the intended story was that the three are working independently, Fang for profit, Eggman to power the final weapon, Knuckles because he believes Sonic is bad at protecting the emeralds (which makes sense considering the plot starts with Eggman collecting them in secret and losing them in an experiment). That also explains why the three don't work as a team, Knuckles being captured by Eggman and so on

[@arzfan29]

The superstars comic with fang implies that eggman and fang worked together multiple times in the past, which would be sonic the fighters and triple trouble, eggman clearly knows fang well enough to recall all of his past aliases

[@TVGN20000]

Imagine getting a Sonic Superstars ad during the Sonic Superstars segment.... couldn't be me 😊

[@Gimlao]

1:02 That sound is way too realistic, I really thought someone was knocking hard at my door 😖

[@5meeriee]

SAME

[@wither3615]

17:49 "hydrokidy"💀

[@GottaBeFrank]

This video got me to ask myself... why was there Sonic Utopia footage on screen?

[@Youknowjoe187]

How could you spoil superstars for me by showing the hud

[@thatguy8636]

In my opinion, Sonic Mania is the Sonic 4 that was officially published, and Triple Trouble 16 bit is the the unofficial Sonic 4. And Superstars is Sonic 5.

[@putridscene]

Came here to comment this. Sonic 1 - 3&K, Triple Trouble 16-Bit, followed by Mania is how I'll play through the series from now on.

[@thatguy8636]

@@putridscene we basically have 2 real Sonic 4s that aren’t Episodes 1 and 2. We even have Sonic 5.

[@kingkazma3246]

This! 💙💛❤💖

[@Stickboy321Go]

Oh, so sonic mania is a sequel to sonic 3 when most of the levels aren’t even new just a birthday game including modern sonic with forces….right.

[@PepeChadIsDaGoat]

Nah, Mania is more of an anniversary title, celebrating what made the past cool, hence the rehashes. Superstars is THE Sonic 4🤑

[@Mr.IDK07]

Fang's theme actually uses a melody from his original theme

[@CherryChrii]

for sonic mania you can technically count the reused zones as originals, specifically the act 2s on every zone they changed them and added new mechanics so it technically feels like a brand new zone

[@techmark3665]

Calling sonic and knuckles the ‘real’ sonic 4 feels wrong to me. It’s like calling persona 2 eternal punishment the ‘real’ persona 3.

[@zachattack1279]

It’s like calling MGSV The Phantom Pain the REAL Solid 6

[@gabrielsofta944]

It's like calling Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode II the real Sonic the Hedgehog 5 Sonic & Knuckles is for all intents and purposes Sonic the Hedgehog 3 Episode II

[@LibraJoeKerr]

Heavily given Scott the Woz vibes with your jokes 🤣

[@cosmicoutpost59]

13:29 “Double Doofenshmirtz! Coming at you Fridays!”

[@TricBrosStudios]

YESSSS!!!!!!

[@lued123]

Sonic & Knuckles shouldn't have even been scored because it's literally part of Sonic 3 and has always been marketed as such.

[@Kookie_13_]

I think superstars is the closest we’re getting to sonic 4

[@mondopatrick]

I consider it sonic 5

[@JacksonYT198]

Sonic 3 is Sonic 4 because of CD but y’all ain’t ready for that conversation

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

"And now for my hot take on Resident Evil 4 and Street Fighter III.

[@Mario14-k]

Sonic CD is sonic 1.5

[@gman9552]

@@Mario14-k I would say 2.5 because Sonic CD was released after Sonic 2. Although I prefer for Sonic CD to be a standalone.

[@RandomGreenKirb]

​@@gman9552but cd chronologically takes place before sonic 2

[@ABUltra64]

The real one is Sonic Mania and Sonic 5 is Sonic Superstars now quiet

[@SaddieMoon]

SA1 is the best Sonic 4 in my opinion as it’s a proper evolution to the Sonic series, it continues to focus on the gameplay and characters but harder, and it doesn’t reuse too many elements from previous Sonic games. Advance & Superstars barely has a story. Mania is more of a celebration of those games than a true sequel. And Sonic 4. The best kind of Sonic 4 needs to build upon what the previous three games did. 3&K had a bit more focus on story and characters, so I think the true Sonic 4 should try harder on the story. While also keeping the spirit of the trilogy’s gameplay.

[@Cmg5]

Sonic 4 came out July 21st this year except instead of Sonic it was Captain Olimar and the Picklemen

[@not_kjb]

Triple trouble 16 bit. No questions asked. End of discussion.

[@TricBrosStudios]

13:32 I just want to let you know that I got the reference. “Wow. If I had a nickel for every time I got doomed by a puppet, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.”

[@NokaiGaming]

The real sonic 4 is the superstars we made along the way. Also hey I’m canon.

[@ElladanKenet]

1- Sonic and Knuckles really is just Sonic 3 Part 2. Might as well combine them both, as originally intended, and call it all Sonic 3 2- Sonic Mania is a celebration of the Genesis Sonic Games. There are some new zones yes, but also a bunch of old zones, so... maybe call it Sonic 3.5? 3- Sonic Origins is.... just a rerelease of the original games. It's more of a Definitive Edition. It's Sonic Mega Collection v.2

[@randomico7632]

so Sonic Triple Trouble is 4?

[@runningoncylinders3829]

In the most serious sense I genuinely give it to the “Episode” games for their boldness to put “Sonic 4” in the title. In a personal sense I give it to Sonic & Knuckles. S3K was available as a lock-in addition, so despite intent it’s 2 entries in the series.

[@PepeChadIsDaGoat]

SK being Sonic 4 makes sense on paper, but it just ain't... Sonic 3K is the result of fucking McDonalds Sonic toys, being a guinee pig for the lock-on tech

[@PepeChadIsDaGoat]

There was even a plan for 3K in a single cart, but dropped bc, well, they sold ONE game for the price of TWO😂😂😂

[@LittleLexi24]

Sonic & Knuckles is Sonic 3 episode 2

[@FISHEXE.R]

“SONIC 4 KILLED MY GRANDMA!!” 💀

[@ÁrpádoScythoBoyNm4856]

5:13 5 words: SEDOND HALF OF SONIC 3

[@alptugraakan7490]

"Sonic 4 killed my grandma" Bro pulled a trolls character

[@KingVector2763]

Triple Trouble is basically Sonic 3.25 and Sonic and Knuckles is Sonic 3.5

[@chaos_crew766]

17:50 No way bro said Hidro Kity

[@D-DuckShorts]

Nobody is talking about how he pronounced Hudrocity

[@RoronoaDLuffy-iu4yx]

That seemed like a technical win for Sonic and Knuckles, felt like we were playing with semantics here. Sonic and Knuckles was clearly intended to be part of the base game of Sonic 3 and came out as an extension doubled down as a stand alone game. The stand alone aspect of the game was a bonus, but lets not forget that it was first and foremost an extension. Its existence as a separate entity repose entirely on technicalities, either be like a lack of development time to release everything at once, or a lack of capacity to hold everything under the same cartridge, or both. To give a weird analogy of what an extension is, for what its worth. It would be like calling Diablo 2 : Lord of Destruction, Diablo 3, which don't really makes sense to me. I didn't dislike the video, but I disagree strongly with the conclusion made. The analyses in the video were good, and by that card I will play with my own semantics to argue Sonic Mania back as the real Sonic 4, lol. Just my opinion, though..

[@MrSRArter]

They should remake the game that's titled "Sonic the Hedgehog 4" with the Sonic Superstars engine, all of its episodes combined into one game, remixed music, and 4 additional zones afterwards.

[@Chillipeffer]

that's called a Redux, friend.

[@andyavisand]

Superstars' engine is Unity, and I think you might know where I'm going...

[@Reginald_Ritmo]

I would prefer if they used the Retro Engine (the one that Sonic CD PC Port and Sonic Mania run on), or do a better job with the engine they *did* use (the Sonic Rush engine).

[@fearlessgabe1509]

Sonic 3 is sonic 4, sonic 2 is sonic 3 and sonic CD is sonic 2

[@DonPuffles]

yes

[@Wishiwashi_64]

11:41 Oh I get it! Sonic covered himself in oil, because oil floats in water, but he then realizes he can’t survive water!!! XD

[@Wishiwashi_64]

Also, you forgot the actual Sonic 4: SONIC CD!!! It has Metal Sonic, unique mechanics, unique backgrounds (due to the Future and Past signs), and banger music!!!

[@RyanSchankII]

we need this for Sonic Adventure 3

[@Elix111]

Someone should do a real, descent, and good Sonic 4

[@DrPeeper]

"Sonic 4 killed my grandma"💀

[@Nobody_Shroom]

Im going to call Hydro City hidrokity from now on

[@Nobody_Shroom]

As a sonic rush fan, that game is NOT Sonic 4

[@lightingmcqueen522]

Now the question is what is the real sonic 5

[@MothMan-nl2zq]

1:01 that knock was so realistic, it scared the crap out of me

[@DanialDEcool]

Sonic superstars is probably sonic 4. Sonic mania is basically just sonic levels with a few new ones. Sonic superstars is basically reusing the levels from before but that’s kinda what they did. Angel island, emerald hill, green hill and palm tree panic are all very similarly styled with a few new ideas. Casino night, carnival night and one of the bonuses stages are also quite similar. But technically, sonic 3 & knuckles is sonic 4. Sonic 1 (1991, canonically 1st) Sonic 2 (1992, canonically 3rd) Sonic CD (1993, canonically 2nd)

[@Salem_dosari]

Sonic 4 is basically Sonic Mania and Sonic 5 is also Sonic Mania "Plus"

[@abidobi1761]

I think golden capital was the original design for green hill zone

[@plantyhead]

hold on, hydra-kitey?? didnt know that was what hydro-city was pronounced as

[@Blazio]

I love this vid the humour gives off lots of chaotic Scott the Woz energy.

[@SonicMasterOfficial]

The true Sonic 4 would be Sonic Superstars, as it takes place right after Sonic 3&K

[@LittleLexi24]

Sonic Mania takes place right after Sonic 3&K

[@Maikcarps]

Technically sonic 3 is the real sonic 4

[@noemisango8478]

Even tho it's a fangame.. i still think Sonic Triple Trouble 16 bits is the TRUE Sonic 4.

[@Otukuoi]

So, am I the only one who got the ETS:NL reference?

[@Joe_334]

So grateful that I can still play both Sonic Adventure games on Steamdeck.

[@JustMaxT]

JustMaxT is now canon

[@yourefatmom6159]

Eh I’m more canon

[@SpinKreator]

Yes, the thing everybody was paying attention to was “hidro caidee”. That’s it’s new name. Don’t dm me

[@Kwip_]

Your pronunciation of hydrocity just cut my lifespan in half.

[@joeysupersonic]

Teamwork is the real sonic 4

[@KatZEdition]

Sega Sonic The Hedgehog is the real Sonic 4 in my heart, I asked a doctor and they said it was a tumor but my point stands

[@BIaze_BIox]

Sylvania Castle zone is aquatic ruins

[@unsmart42069]

17:50 screw it. this is now the official pronounciation.

[@hamzagamalelgamal]

*People fighting over it's Hydrocity or Hydro City* XPool : *Hedro Kayty*

[@AntiZoophileOvergunner]

*_We interrupt Sonic Superstars to bring you New Super Mario Bros. Wii._*

[@backyarddad4198]

Special Stage 5 is super easy because the emerald has a fixed path. Start by grabbing all the ring hoops at the top of the stage, then start arcing yourself far and to the left of the emerald. Once you get the hang of it, you can easily make sure sonic lands in the emerald’s path as it reaches him every time you fall. Almost easier than the first one when you intuit this.

[@ShadeDX-mv4dc]

Jason’s Sonic: “Nothing worse than a long-awaited sequel that doesn’t live up to expectations.” 9:50

[@TimDespairBear11]

I always considered sonic advance to be the real sonic 4. However it truly doesn’t matter. I also believe sonic 06 is SA3 but it doesn’t make that game any better. The title of a videogame has nothing to do with quality.

[@doetschi_boiii696]

Sonic Rush is peak Sonic

[@chili_dogs1]

17:48 i have never heard someone say hydrocity like this until now

[@switchspeedster2671]

If you think finding a Sonic 4 is hard, how about finding a Sonic Adventure 3?

[@coooooooooooooooorn]

Sonic 06 is Adventure 3

[@gangstasonic97573]

@@coooooooooooooooornJust like Heroes, Shadow, and Unleashed!

[@HOTD108_]

​@@gangstasonic97573Heroes, Shadow, and Unleashed have very different gameplay styles to the Adventure games. Whereas, Sonic 06 is literally just another Adventure game in everything except name. 06 even has hubworlds and the interconnected character plots where levels feature crossover points between the seperate character stories. I know Heroes has multiple character stories too, but they didn't crossover like what happens in all the Adventure games and 06.

[@piperchikita6425]

That's because there isn't any

[@pineapplemarshmallow9008]

Sonic 4 is the real Sonic 4! If Sonic 4 ain’t the real Sonic 4, then Sonic Adventure 2 ain’t the real Sonic Adventure 2

[@Raymi20-]

Sonic 4 is the only Sonic 4 we have, the other ones are either too wacky or too modern

[@shadowkirby7210]

It's the one called "Sonic 4"

[@PrideBornAmadi]

Sonic 4 is Sonic 4 Episode 1. Proving Sonic games are sometimes great and sometimes fall flat. Which is Sonic’s entire history at this point.

[@Chillipeffer]

They weren't even going to name it 4 at first

[@OOFMAJOR]

Bro just casually forgot about Sonic Pocket Adventure smh

[@YoboiroccoOnTop]

Well pocket Adventure is just a worst sonic 2

[@SocksFCGameArchives]

Hot take but I'm not a fan when new media makes itself a retroactive sequel to something from years ago, even when other entries have come out since. I do think that Knuckles Chaotix (JP version anyway) could be the true Sonic 4 even though Sonic is barely in it. Out of all the games that came out between S3&K and SA1 (including 3D Blast, Triple Trouble, R) Knuckles Chaotix was the only one that felt like it built on the story of 3&K with the Japanese manual mentioning how a new island has risen from the ocean, either from the Master Emerald or Death Egg crashing into Angel Island, I can't remember which

[@Chibiknux]

I can see Sonic Team delisting Sonic 4 and pretending S&K was Sonic 4 all along, It would be such a Iizuka thing to say on interviews

[@Youraveragemonke]

This video is so good it reminds me of Scott the woz keep up the good work

[@LLNTV11]

Hid-row-kitey 😭 We demand a public apology for that war crime of a pronunciation

[@ericamaya2467]

Always asking what the real sonic 4 is but never asking how the real sonic 4 is?

[@maxqill1435]

Deep😔

[@Emery_Pallas]

Ever noticed Sonic Mania’s gives each game a number of Zones by game order? Sonic 1 gets 1, Sonic 2 and CD gets 2 each and Sonic 3 & Knuckles form a collective 3

[@cookimaus1]

Why was Tgamm shown for a sec in the beginning? Idk if that was just a error or what

[@chriswilson97]

Using your criteria, you could certainly conclude that Sonic Heroes is Sonic Adventure 3.

[@NoKuraiShin]

I must say I’ve never heard anyone say “Hidro Kyti” 😂

[@MiracleHd8350]

Fallen star is the REAL sonic 4

[@Sutherlandtwins]

Huh how in the trailer for superstars goes from emerald hill to bridge island

[@quintencornelissen2274]

I cant remember having any glitches in sonic superstars actualy

[@gummyghost8002]

I dont count it as sonic 4 because part 3 never released so Sonic 4 is a cancelled game..

[@lan.goblian]

my stomach churned at the way you pronounced "hydrocity", fucking excellent

[@mohamad20zx34]

you know that sonic superstars is the 5th game my friend

[@haxaa]

2:00 isnt sonic rush a sonic advance sub series? there were literally advance sonic sprites in early versions of the game

[@1234_Flux]

You forgot Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Adventure. The real Sonic 4 is Sonic 4 Episode 1 and 2.