Why Sonic Adventure 2 is AMAZING!

[@SpeedMotionSamic]

You know what? Watching this made me realize how much the current Sonic Team can't pull off an Adventure remake. I want it to happen, but I know deep down they won't be able to do it right

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

It's both ST and the fanbase's faults.

[@SpeedMotionSamic]

@@ChiefMedicPururu The fanbase can be toxic, but anyone can throw a fit. Sonic Team's really the ones to blame because they're so caught up in what others think that they lose sight of their own vision. They just don't create from their passion anymore. They're scared of creating another Sonic 06 which, yes was badly rushed, but was over a decade ago. Sonic Team needs to realize that everybody makes mistakes, and what matters is what you do after those mistakes. Right now they're admitting defeat and giving in to what others want them to be. If they continue to be that way, Sonic is going to die, and this time for good.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@SpeedMotionSamic But no one is telling them that upfront, tho.

[@SpeedMotionSamic]

@@ChiefMedicPururu Somebody should, but sadly it's not up to the fans to tell a multi million dollar company how to do their job

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@SpeedMotionSamic You're sure? Because I think they ARE listening to some people outside of SEGA, but it ain't the fans.

[@porkermurns7590]

"The sonic levels are the only fun stages 0/10 worst game ever’’ - literally whoever you want it to be But seriously why do smaller youtubers have better SA2 reviews?

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

Maybe cause they aren’t biased against Sonic

[@Densester]

Either because larger content creators lose all creativity and personal opinion and need to find artificial flaws that don't exist, like "woah it's the very hard edge" or some dumb shit like that.

[@Prime_Legend]

Big Sonic KZbinrs as a whole are trash

[@CuriousGuy_]

Because the big ones need views desperately, so they call people's attention by throwing trash to Sonic games and the fanbase so they become popular And the honest people that makes good reviews, all of them just arent to popular because people just wan't to hear what they want And that's all.

[@AutisticTransbian04]

Because they actually look past just bitching about the treasure hunting stages and actually look at the good and great things in this game

[@doom5895]

Projareds video: 3 million views Yours: 2k views This is why we don't get nice things

[@knucklesechidna2124]

Arin Hanson complained about it too. I think Jirard was ok with it. Jontron loved the Adventure games.

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

@@knucklesechidna2124 damn we got the racist on the adventure side, great

[@stormcutter59]

@@RoyalKnightVIII Wow we got a live one here folks.

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

@@stormcutter59 uh-huh

[@stormcutter59]

@@RoyalKnightVIII Yeah stop being stupid. Jontron isnt a racist.

[@PrinceTsuki]

WHAT IS WITH HIS RUNNING SPEED?!?! IT'S WAY TOO *WILD* FOR THIS TINY ENCLOSED *CANYON!*

[@NikoGardens]

That's cool because there is a level called wild canyon, nice

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

*Sienfeld theme starts playing*

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@dabluepittoo-aqua4213 Final Fantasy laugher ensues

[@MrVideo-tp1xn]

It's refreshing to see some positivity for a change. It was really interesting seeing the downgrades that happened in the SA2: Battle port. I'm really curious to see the details that were lost from the story in the localization. I still really love revisiting the story, warts and all. So it'll be cool to get some more insight on it in the next part. All in all, great video.

[@Octo4533]

SPEEPS Highway covers stuff about the adventure games, including different cutscenes in sa2 and sa2b.

[@Mojo1356]

Downgrade? Nothing was downgraded for the GameCube Port. It’s the Hd port that’s downgraded.

[@MrVideo-tp1xn]

Actually, many of the cutscenes in SA2:B are inferior to those in the Dreamcast version. Lots of missing lighting effects and other details were lost in the port. Speepshighway made a pretty comprehensive video covering all the differences between the two. Also, I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the HD release was built off of SA2:B. Which carried over that ports’ problems while introducing new ones.

[@Mojo1356]

@@MrVideo-tp1xn battle has some lightning issues, but because it brings a monumentally better multiplayer as well as fixing the sound mixing issues the Dreamcast version had, I can overlook them usually.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@MrVideo-tp1xn Not like there were that many to begin with.

[@Densester]

For anyone who wants the opening copypasta: "BACK WHEN I WAS A STUPID KID WITHOUT THE EXQUISITEDLY DEFINED STANDARDS OF QUALITY AND GAME DESIGN I HAVE NOW, I LOVED SONIC ADVENTURE TWOOOOOOOOOO- BUT PLAYING IT TODAY LEAVES ME WITH A SOUR TASTE IN MY MOUTH HUHUAH! SONIC IS THE ONLY GOOD PART OF THE GAME, THE KNUCKLES AND ROBOT STAGES ARE UUUNPLAYABLEEEEEEEEEE- I MEAN LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S UNAVOIDABLE, TOTALLY UNEXCEPTABLE WITH TODAY'S STANDARDS OF QUALITY! NOT TO MENTION THE STORY IS DEVIANTART INFLATION LEVELS OF CRINGE THAT TRIES WAY TOO HARD TO BE DARK AND EDGY, I MEAN COME ON, THIS IS A CARTOON BLUE HEDGEHOG WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SONIC SHOULD JUST SHUT UP, RUN FAST AND DESTROY ROBOTS! WE ALL KNOW THE ONLY GOOD PART OF THIS GAME ARE THE CHAO... *SONIC 06 AMIRITE?"*

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

ImplantGAMES really deserve it for his awful review he just did on it.

[@Densester]

@@ChiefMedicPururu "People are complaining about corny jokes but here we are now." Ah yes, because jokes about airplane food is on the same level as "baldy mcnosehair" and whole cutscenes devoted so Tails "doing a mistranslation GIUHHUH!". Fuck this pretentious shit, why do reviewers do this when it's clearly not the same? They act like the problems we have now were problems back then, just to push the controversial talking point. You know, I like how he acts like the fact people complained about the adventure games in forums back in the day is a genuine talking point. People shit all over Sonic 3 on image-boards, you don't see me using that as a genuine talking point.

[@hihi-nm3uy]

ah thank you; i needed this

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

For people who want the timestamps, here ya go. 0:00 0:01 34:50 The best part about these roasts? They aren't even overexagerated. Lots of the complaints were actual "reasons" as to why certain KZbinrs bash the game so unreasonanly heavy.

[@Densester]

@@dabluepittoo-aqua4213 Ironically I forgot about the one 30 minutes in, thanks, that got a chuckle outta me.

[@TheQueensAce719]

What Sonic games need to do from now on, is keep 2D gameplay in 2D games and bring back the 3D free-flowing, trick-based gameplay that SA2 had. Blending the two together was good for Sonic Generations, but that's it. Nowadays, it's just annoying and it feels stiff and clunky compared to how smooth and easy it was to control Sonic back then.

[@turtleanton6539]

Yup

[@MysticClaws100]

I think it worked better for the boost stages in Unleashed because a lot of the 2D sections still took advantage of the fact that Sonic was in a 3D environment. Look at the first 2D sections in Arid Sands and Jungle Joyride to see what I mean. Hitting certain springs, pressing certain buttons would take you to a different route but not an upper or lower route but a route to Sonic’s left or right. Classic Sonic in Generations similarly takes advantage of the 2.5D element of the stage I’m ok with 2D or 2.5D sections as long as they’re not overused

[@knucklesechidna2124]

You notice how the best 2D and 3D Sonic games have the most extras to unlock and most refined gameplay with loads of minigames, fantastic soundtracks, great level design, great physics and animations, great story, are fairly legnthy, ect.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

So... the best 2D and 3D Sonic games are... the ones that are good?

[@xero1048]

VocalCalibration legit the exact comment I was going to write 😂

[@ahmadkazan7994]

@@vocalcalibration8033 not really,the sonic and the secret rings/black knight were only screwed for the gameplay being kinda messed up,critics go all out on sonic games,if a game has bad controls it is wonkey and has zero character development and a bad story,that's how critics review sonic games.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

@@ahmadkazan7994 What are you talking about?

[@yderga8707]

Some people think of Sonic as "forza on feet" where you're simply supposed to go fast and avoid shit, which is only *half* correct. People forget that Sonic is also rooted in exploration, specifically in new pathways to get to the end goal, and collectible items like chaos emeralds along the way. The beauty of Sonics unique gameplay style thats indigenous to his franchise is the ability to *explore new ways* to go faster and get to the end. This allows for greater replayability.

[@5starjellyfish]

SONIKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!! Finally, a Sonic Adventure 2 review that isn't complete garbage and disingenuous towards this game. Can't wait for Part 2!!!!

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Part 2??

[@5starjellyfish]

@@ChiefMedicPururu He still has to do a more in-depth analysis into the game's story. If he included it into this video, it'd be even more ridiculously long than it already is.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@5starjellyfish Let's hope it doesn't take as long for him to make as this video took.

[@krepykatreviews9245]

As someone who is trying to get into reviewing I personally agree with you. You can have your own opinion on this game but I'm tired of the negativity surrounding this game. I don't think it's the best but it's good and it is an improvement of the original Sonic Adventure formula. Also I liked Projared's review but what I didn't like was how he generalized why everyone likes Sonic Adventure 2. He said we only like it because of Sonic and Shadow, the Chows (don't know how it's spelt) and nostolgia. I don't like the Chows, I didn't grow up on this game and while I did like the Sonic and Shadow levels, I think my favorite stages were the mech stages.

[@Mojo1356]

@@krepykatreviews9245 what? Projared’s review of SA2 is abysmal. It’s because of the likes of him and Arin that critical reviews of SA2 have such a bad reputation for those that still defend this game. If you want a critical video of SA2 that’s fair, watch Somecallmejohnny’s review.

[@britishpie7665]

One detail I really like with Sonic's running animation here is that he now ducks a little when trying to reach top speed, scientifically this reduces the air resistance and air can flow around him instead of pushing him. So in easier terms he can move much faster, this may also be the reason why he puts his arms behind him.

[@Spider-Fan006]

Too bad for us humans in real life it's impossible as it would hurt our bones rather then help us run faster

[@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther-]

Remember how Sonic in the Classic games puts his arms on the hips to run faster .

[@sonicovertime]

Sonic Adventure 2 is not only my favorite Sonic game, but my favorite Game of all time. This review is very well constructed and I will link someone this when I'm asked why I like SA2 so much. This felt like it took the exact words I would use to review this game. GJ

[@kaexewires7531]

I used an imulator to play sonic adventure 2 (the Dreamcast version) but I was stopped by the stage that you collect the three chaos emeralds... I didn't even got to play white jungle because that stage might've been a blast! well. I tried the Chao garden at once but, I just couldn't... taking care of little creatures in video games Might be awesome! but I'm just bad at playing games on how they want me to play it, I'm sorry that I might've missed the best thing that I would ever witnessed... and it's nice to see you here Sonic Overtime! :)

[@folorbipple624]

Sa2 is my favorite game right behind legend of Zelda windwaker

[@charliekahn4205]

I like the fan game Sonic Adventure Blast better, because it takes more advantage of the physics, and includes levels from both SA1 and 2.

[@Octo4533]

Windwaker is one of my fave games!

[@DBZUchiha]

A great Sonic game plagued by jump scares. Like seriously those Ghosts were in stages that had no business being in.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

That's still quite minor.

[@DBZUchiha]

@@ChiefMedicPururu Not for me still haven't beaten the game because of it. Ghosts with Orange and Red Eyes and with Sharp teeth that's black and can snag on you. Totally isn't scary or off putting(sarcasm). With that said I'm giving Sonic Adventure 1 a big fat W over sa2b

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@DBZUchiha Geez.

[@bunsmasterbunny]

I hate those ghosts. They can't be defeated unless you let them grab you.

[@peenywallie]

@@DBZUchiha Was it autism?

[@TotallyNotTheRedComet69]

“WhAt is WitH this runNing spEed? WHaT is wIth thIs plAtforMing? WhErE dO I gO?!” Ah, I see you’re using the Egoraptor approach.

[@le0shadow]

I was crying from laughter 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@crynosinso8324]

Exactly.

[@hfrmartin]

God that playthrough was fucking unbearable

[@TotallyNotTheRedComet69]

Harrison Martin EVERYTHING about Game Grumps Sonic playthroughs are unbearable. Arin purposely fucks up and finds exploitable glitches as a means to air his dirty laundry with sonic, 3D sonic in general. Remember the Sonic Adventure DX playthrough’s first episode where he kept clipping through the floor and glitching on the loop? Yeah, that shit is easily avoidable. NNNOOTTT to mention the fact that he’s playing a DX Version, a shitty port of the classic. As someone who’s played the original on a Dreamcast, that getting stuck on a loop thing and clipping through the floor ISNT there. The most that remains is getting pushed up against the wall, and that’s it.

[@DonutSwordsman]

@@TotallyNotTheRedComet69 YES. its that kinda bias thats really awful. thank you for pointing it out

[@fnsiii7975]

I already really liked SA2, but this video made me have a deeper appreciation for it. - I also would like to add ( you may have covered it in your video and I may missed it), but you’re able to manually change what’s in the action window. It’s not a 100% fix, but it helps.

[@adrianhejduk8645]

Me too

[@littenfire3563]

35:41 I love how it's like you're mocking Arin Hanson

[@Saltyoven]

really that was kind of a problem with the gamegrumps in general, they always get stuck in areas that should be blatantly obvious to figure out.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

The Chao Garden part was ripped straight out of ProJared's review

[@megapokesonicx]

I loved the parts where you mocked the stupid criticisms people make. this was a great review. one day sonic adventure 1 & 2 will be loved again.

[@megapokesonicx]

@@crashingbasher7376 or a Sonic Adventure 3

[@luigines6457]

I hope they do. I doubt it though, but there's always hope.

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

*_S o N i C 0 6 e V e R y B o D y_*

[@WardenKaz]

s0n1c 06 aM i rIgHt

[@KnucklesWTD]

They’re still loved,don’t let the hate bandwagon fool you lol

[@coolman229]

You know something that so many critics seem to fail to understand is that something can be flawed AND good. I recently played SA2 after not playing it in a very long time and while there are some clunky mechanics at times and some frustrating parts I've found that I could get past everything with a "Git Gud" attitude. I didn't really care for the space hunting stages but I persevered and made it through them. I feel satisfied being able to make it through the game. Yes there are some outdated parts of the game, which is to be expected from a nearly 20 year old game, but it's still a really fun game.

[@voidghidorah6618]

Its funny that I haven't play the old sonic games that I use to love and when I go back playing them again, it makes me smile and redeem myself once again.

[@Z3RO5286]

The knuckles stages aren't bad. You are just bad at it and should get good at it. The graphics may be old school but not bad. If you want bad look at those shitty mobile games or big rigs.

[@Mojo1356]

“It’s to be expected that a 20 year old game has flaws.” Considering how so many older games have aged significantly better than SA2 like Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Mario World, and others, I don’t think that’s really an excuse to look over the problems.

[@Mojo1356]

@@Z3RO5286 get good? I can do that for smaller stages like Wild Canyon and Egg Quarters since the nerfed radar isn’t too bad for those levels, but for massive levels like Death Chamber and Mad Space? You can’t be good at those levels unless it’s hard mode where the emerald shards are in set locations. Either the game is nice to you and gives you a good emerald combination to give you an A rank, or it doesn’t and forces you to spend 15 minutes in a level.

[@coolman229]

​@@Mojo1356 It's not an excuse, it's just facts. Even Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time have aged and those are still considered classic and revolutionary games. SA2 has some clunky and outdated mechanics, but it's not a bad game.

[@FastTheSonic]

The beginning of the video, even as a joke, almost pisses me, because people used to think this was the best game, then suddenly this one dude say "I don't think so" and now this game was never good all of the sudden.

[@Mina27325]

I know how you feel. :(

[@godofwar234regi5]

Even then, some people think age like milk 'cause they replayed to see if it holds up.

[@SShaBazzz]

It's still the greatest Sonic game. It's just when things are great for too long, people need to start bashing it to try and get something new in its place. But it wont happen. They do the same thing to Micheal Jordan.

[@pr0jectzero281]

This game was my childhood and it’ll always be great in my eyes. I can see why people wouldn’t like the tails/eggman stages and the story but everything else is just peak sonic gameplay

[@TailsGuy72]

Exactly, this happened to Persona 5 and Sonic Colors. There's also the sudden realization of Sonic 06 not being all that bad (Finally, people are actually understanding now)

[@MerryGoRound282]

This was so, so good. I've always had a problem to put into words why SA2 is amazing, and often get shut down with the "nostalgia factor" argument, but you totally nailed it. I haven't seen such a complete and fair review for this game such as this one.

[@yderga8707]

It honestly irks me how many fucking dweeblet new sonic fans tell me I'm wearing nostalgia glasses for liking SA2, even though I hadn't played it until a few years ago. ( I pushed through SA1 and while I liked it I couldn't take it seriously). Honestly though I wasn't a sonic fan (at least the 3D games, I grew up watching Sonic X and playing 1,2 and 3) until I played SA2 and realized just how great the story, characters, design, soundtrack stages and gamplay elements were in that particular title. Since then I've played through 06, Unleashed, Generations, and Colors and although those games are fine in their own respect none of them gave me the same satisfaction as SA2. However even in the face of all that the meta generation utterly ignore the solid aspects of the game, or anyone's argument for them and parrot whatever their favorite youtuber says.

[@the757general2]

@@yderga8707 Those are the same Sonic fans that think Colors is a masterpiece despite it being a Mario wannabe that lacked any real challenge

[@yderga8707]

@@the757general2 Agreed, colors wasn't nearly as good as people claim it to be, if anything it was decent gameplay with an unbelievably lackluster story and characterization. Its just that a whole generation (now 10-15 year olds) grew up on Colors/Generations and moving forward and thats their idea of the ideal sonic game, since comparatively everything else has been ultimate shit.

[@Invicted2810]

People be calling Adventure Fans Nostalgia Blind and then talk about how nostalgic the 2d sonic games were and how they great they are

[@superlombax1561]

@@yderga8707 Same.

[@SilentSlaine]

Honestly loved the parts where you brought out the positive reinforcement of skill based gameplay. That’s literally the name of the game with SA2, coming from SA to SA2 always felt like a natural advancement of the controls. I ALWAYS feel like I’m constantly getting better at SA2 even when I’m just casually playing through the stages. To this day I STILL find new and faster routes to incorporate into my runs of the game. After playing this game for 20 years nothing compares to finishing SA2 over and over again.

[@Red-be6fn]

It’s 2020 and it’s only the second Sonic game I’ve played and I love it. It’s just a game I can boot up and knock a few levels out when I’m bored

[@SeventhGenGamer]

If you like that then I recommend Sonic Riders and Sonic Colors. Both good games that you can complete pretty fast as you get better. Sonic Riders is a racing game, but its really good and fun when you get used to it.

[@louiepikmin3184]

If you like sonic adventure 2, I'd honestly recommend the original the original sonic adventure, and sonic generations. Sonic adventure, although it has its own sets of problems, is a much more open game that has some controls that sa2 really shouldn't have changed (I'm mainly talking about how you can spam the spindash in sa1. and how the mech controls are a bit better in the original in my opinion.) And sonic generations is also a great game. Yes, it has a ton of 2d sections, but the 3d parts are super fun.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

YES! VINDICATION! I've suddenly discovered a couple people with REALLY good Sonic videos that actually treat the series fairly while still acknowledging the flaws! So good! Love this!!

[@starrystreams3642]

I see The Adventure series of Sonic like I do with the Prime series of Metroid. They aren’t perfect replicas of their 2D counterparts, but they keep the important fundamentals that were established in the 2D games and mix them up for 3D.

[@CH3rry50da]

44:06 There's also a purchasable Omochao theme! Along with a hidden theme for the president's secretary, which is accessed by... spinning the control stick enough times on the theme select menu I just wanted to share that since I love themes and customization in general. This is a really great video; the adventure series are probably my favorite games ever, and I love it whenever they're shown in a positive light :')

[@shinigamisway1645]

You can get Amy and Maria's themes through the Chao shop as well

[@danyosuna7276]

Sonic adventure 2 is a masterpiece of game design. There are things for everyone, lets say you like to explore you can, or you like to just rush tru the stage and you can do it too, you like grinding? Chaos garden, you like uncovering secrets? the game gets you chasing power ups

[@Banana807]

The problem is when the most of the fanbase comes to move at high speed and not play tedious treasure hunter stages

[@Mevestos]

I feel like Chaos, as guardian god of the chao, would make a lot of sense as the neutral attribute caretaker character. He’s already fully programmed to be playable in two player mode, and neutral chaos chao resemble him.

[@bowmaj8666]

34:51 "GuyWhoKnowsWhatHesTalkingAboutProductions" I always loved that little touch! So true!

[@Gamrison]

Sorry, as someone who just recently 100%'d this game on stream and everything, I HAD to like this video immediately before even watching, because FINALLY KZbin recommended me a video after watching some SA2 OST videos that were not, "SA2 is BAD and was ALWAYS BAD and YOU are BAD for LIKING IT!" thank goodness. I swear I am watching through this video though but thanks for this, it is almost catharsis at this point. I love this game. EDIT: Watched the whole video. It was good. Especially the trolling copypasta voice throughout.

[@voidghidorah6618]

I really have no problem when I first played it back when I was a kid. People in these days are blind to see that this game is better than the ones that's after sonic 06.

[@papayalol]

how in the fuck did you manage to A rank some of those tails missions

[@Gamrison]

@@papayalol Eternal Engine was a nightmare tbh, especially collect 100 Rings, but the rest was just a matter of repetition and locking on and holding for as long as possible.

[@SilverLining1]

Same. I 100%'ed it last summer. It was a huge fucking grind. And honestly? I loved every second of it. I try to return to childhood games no sooner than every five years, but I've been dying to 100% it again and it hasn't even been a year. My sister was with me the whole time and was in the "only good because of nostalgia" camp. Not in a bad way, but it made me conscious of the thought throughout the playthrough, and I realized that, despite what everyone said, it was a fucking amazing game. Even the port imo.

[@SilverLining1]

@@papayalol I found the tails/eggman missions to be pretty easy. No more than like 6 attempts max per mission. It's all about the combos: knowing what enemies you can group together, when to shoot, and heck, even getting a free 5k whenever you find that one floating robot that shoots 10 targetable missiles. Killing him before he launches those counts as one enemy, but after they're launched count as 10+. The sonic and shadow stages were the ball busting parts for me.

[@164starman]

I agreed on pretty much everything here except for your tangent on the character designs at the end. While I agree that they look good in 3D (although I still think keeping the classic designs would have been fine), I can't agree that they should be used for every single game going forward. They were created specifically for 3D, but the old designs were created to specifically look good in 2D, and outdo them in 2D as a result, with sharper, more striking silhouettes. Sonic 3 and Knuckles showed us that a relatively interesting story can still be told using these designs. Add in some dialog and you have yourself a proto-Sonic Adventure, complete with a character arc in the form of Knuckles. In my personal opinion, their designs didn't really need to be updated at all, since that would avoid this split in the fandom ever having developed to begin with. But seeing as it's already happened, at the very least they should keep the 3D designs to the 3D games, and use the classic designs for 2D. Mania does this to great effect, and if you ask me, it's a far more beautiful game for it. Besides that though, excellent review, 10/10 I wish more people like you would speak up like this

[@Tiggster-qr8mw]

Ever notice how people who like sa2 talk about how it’s always being bashed, but people who don’t like sa2 talk about how everyone loves it, calling it overrated

[@edwardrobinson5470]

Like myself yes.

[@stormcutter59]

Their is an overwhelming majority who hate the game nowadays. The popular opinion is apparent. The opinion of it being beloved is entirely flipped over its head since 2012/2013 and it hasnt recovered since. The thing about Sonic tho is the problems come from a lot of sources. SEGA for mishandling their games in the past 10 years, IGN and all these reviewers for stapling the series as a franchise without any positives, and the fanbase itself for being tainted in the opinions of all these guys for not knowing what they want. For instance those who want another Adventure game are socially mocked. So the fanbase consensus is that wanting an Adventure game is a bad thing. You arent allowed to want it or hope to even have it. And that's a problem.

[@himothy9871]

Joseph Franc cause sonic fans are toxic lmfao. Sonic fans consis of autistic neck bearded basement dwelling losers. Does watching an hour long video game review make me a sonic fan? I dont think so, i like my nostaliga .

[@BiolizardBoils]

@@himothy9871 maybe don't use "autistic" as an insult, pal.

[@Ja.abbatta_V]

I like SA2 but I like SA1 better. They're about even to me and I don't think SA2 is the best Sonic game. My opinion

[@radioactivehuman1684]

Came from reddit one of the best SA2 reviews I've ever watched Great job in describing everything with basically perfect detail Especially the Chao Garden and Artwork Can't wait for part 2 Also this was made on SA2s 18th anniversary lol

[@gigas5553]

Mario 64: has objective flaws KZbin reviewers: the game came out in 1996! It was Mario's first 3d game cut Nintendo some slack! Sa1/Sa2: has objective flaws KZbin reviewers: oh my God this game is utter garbage the only way anyone can like this is if they're blinded by nostalgia!

[@guilhermefloresfeitosaguer4543]

Both deserve to have slack cut, honestly.

[@jaymontgomery8566]

fr, it's hilarious

[@opadrip]

Nintendo fans are ironically what they accuse SA1/2 fans of being.

[@guilhermefloresfeitosaguer4543]

@@opadrip stupid trash? I'm a big Nintendo fan, so thank you.

[@no.402]

@@guilhermefloresfeitosaguer4543 Nintendo fans should kill themselfes

[@x-mighty7602]

The english dub has a *WAY* better Tails jump sound than the japanese one.

[@claires7037]

hup!

[@kaexewires7531]

"EI! EI! EI! *EI!"*

[@Toner_Cartirdge]

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[@kieranstark7213]

Ei! (x4) Oh hey, Timbaland. XD

[@edwardrobinson5470]

I agree.

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

I think I should give a bit of my thoughts on the game I had over the years. 11 years old was when I finally got to play Sonic Adventure 2 for the first time. That's nearly nine years ago. I had it on the GameCube and played it from start to finish. At the time, I thought the game was just okay. I enjoyed the speed and mech stages fine but I found the hunting levels boring. Over the years, I've noticed a lot of criticism this game seemed to have received from the likes of Somecallmejohnny, Projared, TheRetroReplay, and others and I couldn't help but agree. I do remember liking Sonic Adventure 1 a lot when I first played it then it eventually became a game I disliked for a while then went back to loving it again. It wasn't until about nearly two years ago that I got a copy of the game on Sega Dreamcast. My opinion had changed completely after replaying it. Most of my issues with the game were either very subjective, exclusive to the GameCube version (although that could be because I was playing it on the Wii) or based on first impressions. Sonic 3 used to be my favourite game in the series but honestly, in recent years, I have to give that title to Adventure 1 and 2 respectively. Adventure 2 in particular is one of my favourite 3D platformers. It excels at what Sonic is supposed to be in almost every area. Speed and platforming with a high skill ceiling, memorization to test your skill on keeping your fast paced momentum consistent, and experimenting with Sonic's moveset to see what crazy shit you can do with him in the levels. The mech stages are a lot of fun. Trying to keep your momentum up whilst locking on to enemies and avoiding their attacks is very addictive and feels very rewarding. The treasure hunting stages feel more like hunting stages now as most of the challenge this time around comes from learning the levels rather than completely relying on the radar. Memorizing the piece locations and getting them out of order for extra points is really satisfying and is made even better by the control. Very enjoyable albeit a bit daunting at first. I'll explain more after I finish watching this video.

[@2F4M73]

Will you speak more of it?

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

It's your first impressions. I have my Gamecube copy and it works really well.

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

@ChiefMedicPururu I used to play the game on my Nintendo Wii. Might be why the game had some annoying mid air jump bug.

[@2F4M73]

@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 after 7 months Lol

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

Yeah. To be honest, I decided to hold off my full thoughts on the game for now. I could write a book about my thoughts on Sonic Adventure 2, that's how exhausting it could be to write it simply as a long comment.

[@Hynotama]

"Hi! I'm Omochao. Am I annoying you?" I really don't understand the hate that little thing gets. It's adorable and it never gets in your way. I feel like people have taken a meme too seriously. Also multiplayer Amy is cancer. I wish they kept the secondary characters as clones of the single player characters because it would have been better balanced.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

Gamers today hate being told how to play, then wonder why they get stuck.

[@Hynotama]

@@AkameGaKillfan777 yeah, but omochao is literally the perfect option. It doesn't tell you how to play but it's there on the side if you need help.

[@charliekahn4205]

@@Hynotama I find Tikal to be a better option because it is nearly impossible to accidentally activate her. EDIT: Except for that one time in Lost World where you have to jump into the spot where Tikal is located.

[@brandonbrown6922]

It's probably Heroes implementation coloring opinions, since he actually IS unskipable in that game.

[@casualvanilla]

@@brandonbrown6922 That's still odd to complain about, because Omochao is only unskippable with Team Rose's first level. Even then, you can skip past his dialogue and march forward with that short level. And in the rest of the game, you have to manually activate him in the menus by hitting Square.

[@brandonhartman5748]

Awesome video. SA1 and SA2 are my favorite games and it's nice to see a thoughtful review from someone who cares about these games as much as I do. I'm tired of the boosting and shallow storytelling, I want another adventure-style game.

[@riadjaber1707]

My opinions on each Gameplay style in the adventure games: Sonic Adventure 1: Sonic: Amazing Tails: Pretty good Knuckles: Pretty good to Great Gamma: Decent Amy: Okay Big: Bad Sonic Adventure 2: Sonic and Shadow: Amazing Tails and Eggman: Pretty good Kunckles and Rouge: Pretty good to Great Overall I consider Sonic Adventure 1 a Pretty Good game. While, I consider Sonic Adventure 2 to be great and my favourite 3D Sonic Game

[@x-mighty7602]

For Me: SA1 Sonic: 9/10 Tails: 7/10 Knuckles: 10/10 Amy: 6/10 Gamma: 8/10 Big: 3/10 SA2 Speed: 9/10 Treasure Hunting: 10/10 Shooting: 8/10 I love Treasure Hunting. This is my opinion. It's ok if you disagree.

[@x-mighty7602]

I don't think there is a Sonic Gameplay that is a 0/10. I never played Boom so I can't judge its gameplay. Knuckles' Chaotix's gameplay isn't that bad. Colours is not great, but I'd still rather play it than Big.

[@Shadow-vd8ss]

@@x-mighty7602 My rankings: SA1 Sonic: 10/10 Tails: 2/10 Knuckles: 7/10 Amy: 3/10 Gamma: 9/10 Big: 0/10 SA2 Speed: 10/10 Treasure Hunting: 9/10 Shooting: 10/10 I know I am in the minority of people's opinions on Tails stages in adventure 1. The fact that ranks do not exist and every level can be beaten in 30 seconds by completely skipping the whole level is not fun at all after the first stage. Sonic Adventure 2 gets 1 point off for the treasure hunting stages for the space stages. While most of the time you can get an A rank, those stages do have bad rng spots that are nearly impossible to get an A from without having hints memorized. But overall, I think every level in 2 is almost perfect. There are more paths than people realize, I have been playing for 15 years and still discover new things I have never seen before.

[@thrasher698]

48:52 He does have 1 unique trait related to water though, as Chaos Zero is completely incapable of drowning

[@rockstone8583]

I wouldn't call SA2 the best Sonic game (I still prefer the first Adventure) but this Game is still great and added a lot of things I liked. I love the treasure hunting stages in SA2 (aside from Mad Space of course), the rail grinding, bounce bracelet, the introduction of Shadow and Rouge, the story was also amazing, and I also really liked the shooting system for the mechs in this game. Yea, the game is amazing, and definitely deserves much more praise and love than it gets.

[@cynderadracona7093]

Honestly, there should be a fully fledged Chao Garden game, where the objective is to get the best Chao possible, but also to collect as many different ones as possible. Add some fun mini games with plenty of player participation, in-game objectives that earn you different items to level up your Chao or things for your Chao to play with. Maybe you can do certain races to collect objects to make a personalised home for your favourite Chao, and a good ring system to buy special Chao(like shiny Chao and two tone Chao from SA2) and exclusive things for your Chao’s home so you have an incentive to participate in as many mini games and races as you can. Maybe a daily quest/interaction you can do to increase a Chao’s affection for you to give you a reason to keep coming back. I think that would be really cool, if done correctly.

[@mysteryperson706]

Chao garden mobile. It's literally perfect for a mobile game imo and Sega are sitting on gold by not considering it

[@cynderadracona7093]

I didn’t think of that, but now that you’ve brought it to my attention, I’m realising it couldn’t be anything else.

[@Anquavaous]

I saw a comment on The Geek Critique’s video on Shadow the Hedgehog claiming that reason why Sonic isn’t taken seriously is because of Shadow (both the game & character). He also said that Shadow should be replaced with Metal Sonic if Sonic Team were to remake SA2 so that the series can move forward. Can you believe that?

[@loiiysailor1177]

Thats so lame of him how pittful

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

The fuck??

[@dapenguin4637]

Made much more egregious by the fact that his Reason for hating shadow is literally that he's not a classic character.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@dapenguin4637 So he hates Rouge, Blaze, Silver and anyone not from the 90's too, I guess?

[@dapenguin4637]

@@ChiefMedicPururu pretty sure he does, he's a massive classic purist

[@ajganim5799]

I never knew SA2 had such hidden depths, especially with gameplay mechanics! Thank you for sharing your passion for this game with us!

[@MetaKaios]

54:52 Chaos is the obvious choice for this role. The neutral Chaos Chao even looks like 'him'. (Yes, Chaos is my favourite character; why do you ask? =^) Tikal would also be acceptable.

[@spindash64]

Honestly that would be a brilliant way of giving him some extra character: show his nurturing side. Someone please mod this

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

About the Sonic Adventure games not being perfect especially as transitions from 2D to 3D, let's not forget that the Mega Drive games weren't perfect either. Sonic 1 had bad pacing and several boring levels, Sonic 2 had bad enemy placement and several game breaking bugs, and Sonic 3 can drag at times not to mention had more offensive automated speed sections than the Adventure games combined. What's worse, 6 seconds of Sonic running with a huge boulder behind him? Or 16 seconds of Sonic skating through the beginning of Ice Cap Zone? I'll let you decide. Oh and to give credit to Sonic Adventure 1, I only came across 1 game breaking glitch and it's not a glitch you could find by accident. Compare that to Sonic 2 where it has three game breaking glitches that you could potentially run into by accident, not to mention vanilla Sonic 3 which had multiple glitches that got you stuck with no way out. So let me get this straight. *Sonic 2 has a few glitches that you can run into by accident and also force you to start from the beginning, same for vanilla Sonic 3* "Eh, Sonic 2 is still one of the best Sonic games, plus Sonic 3&K doesn't have game breaking glitches and you still have a save feature in its vanilla state" *Sonic Adventure has harmless glitches at worst and don't do much to affect the player's enjoyment, plus also has a save feature to prevent starting from scratch* "Uuuggh! One of the wurst games I've ever played, it's so broken and buggy and bad" I think I rest my case.

[@Ronan34753]

Basically every game ever made has glitches, especially early 3D games and even 2D games.

[@Scroteydada]

Your case has been awakened and called to battle once more. The ice cap cutscene is fully automated. No need to engage in the shallow but egregiously required holding down on the stick. It's also placed at the beginning, and so not an out of place drop in challenge like the truck. 2D games are overall more reliable than the 3D ones. There aren't stupid invisible walls that force the player on specific paths when they look like shortcuts. Nor are there the opposite with textured walls with no collision hiding around.

[@Ronan34753]

@@Scroteydada But didn't Angel Island have a section with Eggman's battleship where the player has to hold right while the ship just drops bombs? More reliable? I feel this is mostly subjective. While the 2D games have a more consistent design. Some could argue the 2D games have bottomless pits you won't see until you fall into them. And of course you can't see what's very far ahead, making it a little worry-some at high speeds. And admittedly there's been quite a few instances where I and many others have clipped through the collision in Sonic 2 and Sonic Mania. To be honest I feel the whole 2D vs 3D is a little pointless at this point, because not only are they designed differently, but they aren't the same within their own dimensions. What I mean is, are you talking about Adventure or Forces?

[@Scroteydada]

@@Ronan34753 Adventure. And 2D and 3D are both Sonic so the core design applies to both. The instant chokes are more persistent in the 3D games. Bottomless pits in the classics are telegraphed by being at the bottom of the stage where the camera stops scrolling. Out running the camera is also a bigger problem in 3D. Visibility can too easily be ruined as geometry doesn't turn transparent.

[@Ronan34753]

@@Scroteydada Maybe, but what if you thought it was a bottom path of some sort? Not sure what you mean by outrunning the camera. But yeah, SA1's camera could get stuck and be a little troublesome. Still, I feel it's mostly up to the player which one they prefer to put up with. I'm actually meant to be working on a 3D fangame for SAGE, got any more complaints for the 3D games you would like to address? If you feel like it of course.

[@Drawthhhhh]

Excellent review, I pretty much agree on almost every part. SA2 is without a doubt my favourite sonic game and is my second favourite game of all time.

[@folorbipple624]

Lenn256i same

[@HelperUnknownGB]

Another mod I want to mention is the Complete Story mod. It lets you play each level and watch each cutscene in chronological order. Combining that with the retranslated mod gives you the best experience with SA2’s story. I honestly think there should be an animated series that faithfully adapts SA1 & 2’s stories by the studio that did Dark Beginnings. Yes I know Sonic X exists, but it wasn’t really that faithful.

[@shade08538]

Ah yes, Sonic Adventure 2, the final roar of the dreamcast.

[@taylord5381]

Shenmue 2?

[@shade08538]

@@taylord5381 SA2 was more of a roar

[@taylord5381]

@@shade08538 more like a sonic boom

[@Hiroku1998]

Ah yes, an overly long analytical video about a Sonic Adventure game. Honestly no joke I’m a sucker for this kind of videos...

[@painvillegaming4119]

Then let me introduce you to J reviews

[@liv8179]

that intro is actually killing me, subscribing

[@funkydinosaur]

Such a great review! SA2 has always been my favourite sonic game and I've also been so confused at the hate. The only thing I've ever thought I'd change is the lack of Tails gameplay out of his mech - always thought itd be a great reward when you've completed all three stories to be able to play the speed stages as classic Tails

[@baconshotgun3184]

I really like that this video, despite what the intro had me think, instead of making fun of negative reviews, instead provides a different perspective and provides valid reasons for why things are good or bad, or why they could be looked at either way. You didn't pretend like your word was gospel. This has gotta be the most open-minded, respectable positive sa2 review I've seen yet.

[@Lemonfreak1111]

I’m just going to say this right now and I will always live by this till the day I die. I absolutely love this game, you can give me every reason in the book as to why you think it’s terrible and that’s not gonna change the way I feel towards this game. Everything about this game, even it’s flaws, is so full of charm and it doesn’t really get old at all. This game will always be my favorite sonic game in the series

[@ameerashourdraws]

Like I said in your SA1 review, this was a wonderful response to those who say that this game along with SA1 are trash, and they try to make those games look as bad as Sonic 06. Thank you so much for your great response! Also at 0:00 , 34:51 you've perfectly portrayed every single Sonic reviewer

[@anasevi9456]

I was fine as a 11 year old when this game launched hearing from the even older gen x fans of sonic games complain because it wasn't like their classic 2d sonics.. however the criticism today is mostly hearsay and hypocritical: _"SA1 and SA2 sucked, too slow, i hate emerald hunting! 3d sonic was always bad! No where near as good as those slow plodding collectathons I grew up with on my N64/PS2, you know like Banjo Kazooie, Jax and Daxter, Sly Cooper. Those games were never slow, boring or made you backtrack like SA2"_ Not saying those are bad, I grew up with them, but the cognitive dissonance around Sonic Adventure bashing is astounding.

[@grimes558]

I hate the boost style of gameplay in Modern Sonic games for one reason: *2D sections.* I HATE the 2D sections. SEGA, choose your gameplay style! Either make the game 3D or 2D. Stop mixing them together!

[@casualvanilla]

Or the weird Modern level design in Generations, where you'd be boosting fast for one moment in 3D and then doing very slow platforming in 3D. I get that Sonic 3 & Knuckles has this design mentality too (fast segments, slower segments), but it's way more distracting in Generations.

[@RubyIsASmarty]

Finally a good review From someone who knows what they’re talking about

[@Mojo1356]

Somecallmejohnny’s review is an example of a good critical review. I can understand if you’re frustrated from Projared’s review though- that review just sucked.

[@taylord5381]

@@Mojo1356 some of his criticism is still dumb though.

[@Mojo1356]

@@taylord5381 like what (asking for your opinion- not saying Johnny’s review is perfect)?

[@jimmysirenhead6228]

*If I had a nickel for every time I watched an hour long video about Sonic Adventure 2 being amazing I’d have two nickels, which isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened twice.*

[@radicallaruby]

I have these games in storage back in New York (in LA now), but I have no idea when I'll get to play them again so thanks to your videos i went out and bought some new copies for now. There is so much heart put into these games, Sega is insane to not remake them, which I believe would help benefit the image of the series and franchise on general. Provided they are competently made, of course which I worry about today. Takashi Izuka expresses how special SA1 is to him, so here to hoping that interest revitalizes something beloved by much of the fanbase. When you started mentioning the Chao garden I immediately remembered how crazy in depth it was, especially with the breeding system for better grades. And this was a few years BEFORE Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire. Sega is ignoring a gold mine now, why the hell there hasn't at least been some Chao garden game or features for this long is beyond me. SA2 ain't my favorite, but jank aside, his honestly feels like the most complete Sonic game in the series, like they accomplished everything they set out to do (Super Sonic doesn't seem planned for this as it was in SA1) they wanted, with loads of extra content that compliment the main gameplay. This game took itself seriously in lore and presentation and they did it proudly. At this point in the series, Sonic WAS trying to be cool, and still managed to hang in there with a new depth and dimension brought to the characters and their individual develpoment. Literally like a shonen anime arc done right. Honestly makes me wonder why there isn't a good anime or manga adaptation of the series that ties things together. Archie was too messy. That's just one the reasons I understand why SA2 is the favorite of many other fans, and this is coming from someone who likes SA1 better and mostly enjoys the Sonic segments of SA2. But yeah anyway....bring back the Chao garden, dammit.

[@lpfan4491]

There was a chaogardengame in the 2000s. It was japan exclusive. It is basically just a better version of the tiny chao garden from the gba

[@AutisticTransbian04]

I am very happy that I came across your channel after watching your response to projared's SA2 video,because I love all of the sonic videos you have made

[@AutisticTransbian04]

It's ironic that people still say SA1 & SA2 are overrated.....even though that's the general consensus now

[@casualvanilla]

I pay little mind to what the crowd of Sonic fans say about a specific game, because it always changes. Unleashed used to be just as detested as Heroes, Shadow and Sonic 2006. Now it's being held higher than Generations. Colours used to be seen as one of the greatest Sonic games, now it's considered massively overrated. A lot of people's opinions seem to sway with whatever the new popular opinion is.

[@southpawslim1]

@@casualvanilla fucking nailed it

[@Lugbzurg]

Dude... whenever I hear people defending the Sonic Adventure games against people complaining that they're somehow too hard or poorly-designed, it often echos the likes of things like Crash Bandicoot, Devil May Cry, and yes, even Dark Souls of all things. (Ya gotta "git gud" at Sonic!) This has been happening a lot in recent years, as it seems any game that demands reasonable levels of skill from the player gets dumped on as a broken mess because a lot more mistakes on the player's part are possible. So, yes, in a sense, Sonic is in a similar boat with not just Crash, but Dante and... the chosen undead... in a way. Devil May Cry in particular seems to mirror Sonic in this sort of regard the most, despite not remotely being a series of platformers, but of over-the-top melee-focused combat action games with a light use of ranged weaponry. If you've never played this series, I'd highly recommend it to any Sonic Adventure fan, despite not really playing much like them at first glance. For, you see, these games really pump up the player skill attributes/rewards, have a similarly cocky attitude and protagonist, and even have a nearly-identical ranking system, which even has a micro-version of sorts used throughout in the middle of battles, not unlike the 100-2000 point bonuses in SA2. Honestly, these are the games that Sonic Unleashed's nighttime stages should have emulated, rather than the more methodical, weighty, puzzle-addled, quick-time-even-ridden style of the God of War series. I'd particularly recommend starting with either DMC3, often regarded as the best in the series (as well as being a prequel), or DMC4, as it largely focuses on a new protagonist (with the original three games' protagonist still being playable in about 40% of the game) to give new focus and perspective, while not having to deal with as much history baggage you might expect from a fourth entry. Seriously, give the Devil May Cry series a shot, and you'll definitely find some Sonic Adventure 1+2 DNA embedded in there. I'm telling ya, if we ever get a Sonic Adventure 3, I'd love for there to be some new playable character who plays like a Devil May Cry game! It fits with Sonic more than you might think. (On another note, the Sly Cooper series also goes highly-recommended to anyone who adores the Sonic Adventure games, as they're also 3D platformers filled with exploration, that utilize anthropomorphic animals in relatively-complex stories with fairly-serious tones.)

[@Lugbzurg]

Like, seriously... *look at this stuff!* kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6G0hH2XZt2EoMU kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYutkJanmJyWia8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX62eJ1vjpeHb7M I'm sure we could see Sonic pulling off a stunt like this... kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJ2rimmuh9Weqs0

[@Scroteydada]

I think it's simple. Sonic is about learning levels, not just passing them. This is why the ring system works. Getting hit is pretty inconsequential on your first few playthroughs, but as you increasingly warm up to the skill ceiling, that losing one ring feeling is as bad as dying in a hard level in Mario. The ring system is exactly why I dislike Sonic Advance 2, Sonic Adventure 2 and even Rush at times. Instant deaths. Unexpected. Unpredictable. Unnecessarily punishing. Frustrating. They have no place in the Sonic gameplay philosophy. It would be like if enemies could stunlock you as long as you can do to them in DMC. You'd just be alienated, no matter how impressive the skill ceiling is. It would be a stupidly designed journey to get there you'd reject out of self respect.

[@Mariodash23]

And they’re also similar in how the games journalism scene keeps giving them shit for having skill based style gameplay that they can’t walk through with zero effort, while also saying they have stupid stories and characters when the story and characters are what people love about Sonic and DMC. Hell, Sonic isn’t even my favorite character in the series but I still love him for being a family friendly version of Dante.

[@stormcutter59]

I wouldnt be totally against it. I have no problem with innovations that arent too out of the way of Sonic. People forget that Mario innovates all the time what with the Fludd and Cappy. Also the gravity in Galaxy and whatnot. why cant Sonic?

[@Saltyoven]

I'd pick 4 because 3 is really punishingly difficult. An already fairly difficult game was made way more so when it was moved overseas.

[@stormcutter59]

You know.....and I say this as both a fan of Sonic, this being my favorite in the series hands down, and as a fan of reviews being done RIGHT. It is about time I found a review for this game that didnt waste my fucking TIME with stupid, repetitious memes about how shitty the series is ad nauseam. Not ProJared, not stupid Arin Hansen, not SomecallmeJohnny, not NO one does this game RIGHT and actually review it for what it actually is: a video game like any other. And you do this without the ever imposing taint of Sonics ever dwindling reputation of always being a shitty franchise over its head. Thank you. Not as just as fan of the franchise who FIRMLY stands that the series isnt nearly as shitty as people make it out to be, but as someone who appreciates integrity in reviewing video games in general. Your honest approach to this game is a refreshing one. Because a fair chance at being evaluated as a piece of entertainment in the medium, is something that hasnt been afforded to this game since 2001. And you are right. It DESERVES to be treated better. Mad respect to you for doing this man. Mad respect.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

ImplantGAMES is pulling an Arin/Jared, tho.

[@himothy9871]

You and black hooded gamer made great videos im.not sure if it was you or him but the way you two broke down the stages (talking about your part 2 video) and the MUSIC of each stage. Wow. This game is my childhood i can remember playing this on my gamecube and hour long videos concerning the game? Im always a sucker for them. I dont usually be in the comment section but i honestly cant wait until you(or if you plan to) do other games like Sonic Heros and Sonic 06( imo i actually liked the game enough to beat it 4 times)

[@therealseanw.stewart2071]

I'm in the middle camp, I don't think Sonic Adventure 2 is the best, but it's _far_ from deserving of the bashing I've seen people give it recently as well. I think it may have to do with the state of Modern Sonic games that people look back at how this one influenced those, and maybe hate this one more in hindsight, I can't say for certain. That being said, City Escape makes this game. It _is_ Sonic Adventure 2, if you ask me. Rollin' around at the speed of sound. always. ...Okay, Shadow Chao Garden and of course Rouge too. She's one of my childhood crushes (...yes I ogle rouge the bat rule 34 sometimes..)

[@Azazreal]

Yep im with you here. I have issues with the game and loves for the game. City Escape was easily my most replayed stage, the music alone makes it great. But this blatant fan bias is also not the way to go. Ignoring real flaws and only praising the game is just as bad as the people who refuse to see the good imo

[@sewkrazy]

What inspired Sega

[@wishbushwashbosh6443]

Fantastic video. I would actually like to compliment the speed stages more. One thing that you overlooked about the somersault is that it actually helps you with precise platforming. It also speeds up platforming as well. It’s faster than just jumping and Air dashing normally. It isn’t actually as useless as you say it is. Another thing about the Speed gameplay is that if you hit the action button after doing an air dash, you travel more distance in that air dash. Doing that also makes it so it goes in a complete straight line (not been affected by gravity until it’s over).

[@Kantor-jr5ed]

Finally!!!! I’ve been waiting so long for this ever since the SA1 review!!!!!!!

[@CrossKnights]

I played the Dreamcast version of lot when I was younger. There's actually two big differences that always bothered me between that version and the GameCube / PC version. One, the Homing for your jump attack is actually increased in the GameCube version. You would think that's a good thing but it actually ends up pulling you to places you would not want sometimes. It makes jumping and homing a little bit more random where there was increased bit of precision in the Dreamcast version. It only affects a few parts but it was maddening to dye at parts in a different version that I don't have an issue with me old version. And two, the much bigger issue... For some reason Choa in the newer versions just love to swim. In the old version they would swim sometimes but it's way more likely than Chow will, for some reason, jump right into the water in the Chao Garden regardless of how high their swim stat is. This is a major issue because if they are swimming they're not going to do anything cool like playing their instruments, having races with each other, singing, The instances of choas interacting with each other were far higher in the Dreamcast version but in this one you're much more likely to just have four of them chilling in the pool all the time. I have no idea why they decided to do this or if it was even intentional but it always just makes me want to play the Dreamcast version again when I try to play the steam one. It's better than nothing I guess but it still makes me sad.

[@Z3RO5286]

Sa2 and Sa1, Heroes are masterpieces.

[@flamingdragon1527]

I recently beat Sonic Adventure 2 and I've come to greatly appreciate the gameplay. I struggled but slowly got better as I played. Initially when I played Final Rush for the Hero Story, I thought it was a slog (because I sucked) but when I went back to the stage after beating it, I breezed through it! I think it's one of my favourites now... However, there is only one thing that I hate in the game. THOSE F*$%ING CHAOS ENEMIES WITH THE ARMS.They always found a way to hit me. I believe now that Adventure 2 deserves the praises it earns with the tight gameplay and great soundtrack. I think Rouge's might be my favourite with the saxophones.

[@Someguyhere111]

Rooster Teeth (well, two of them at least) did an SA2 Let's Play some years ago and their take on it was essentially: Start of the series: "Only the speed levels are good." Middle of the series, dying constantly in Pyramid Cave: "Actually City Escape's the only good speed level." End of the series: "City Escape and Final Hazard are the only good levels!"

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Fuck them. Then again, those aren't the most honest folks.

[@onimodpl]

1:03:29 Shadow: *Starts using guns in Shadow The Hedgehog* Omochao: I'M 4 PARALLEL UNIVERSES AHEAD OF YOU

[@jh0347]

SA2 is top 3 for me. Love this game. Love seeing people still talk about this game to this day

[@MechaShadowV2]

I know this is a joke video but that intro really put me off of this video. I barely made it through. Edit, glad I did though, sorry the post was a bit snarky. Really in depth. I liked it! You actually covered a lot of how I feel in a much better way than I ever could. At the end of the day I still prefer SA1 over SA2, but I'd take SA2 over anything we've gotten since then, with Generations being the closest thing with had to the golden age of Sonic. Thinking about it I probably prefer 1 a bit more since it is as you say, carries a bit of the 90s in it still, and I always preferred the 80's and 90's over the 2000's.

[@FinalFantasyFan66666]

I had sonic adventure 2 battle for the GameCube and I played that shit to death. I loved that game, and my favorite part was the chao garden. I only ran into two glitches that I can remember, playing the game and they weren't game breaking. One was on the first stage with sonic, going around that one corner on foot right after the "snowboarding" in the street part, there was a chance to clip through the stage if you went high enough on the corner ramp. And the other one was with knuckles, climbing on walls would sometimes have odd effects, like the camera vibrating or clipping through walls and falling to your death, but clipping was extremely rare in my experience. It basically only happened if you were exploring like every inch of the game for secret animals. Areas the developers probably didn't expect you to go. This game is still my favorite sonic game because it's one of the few games with a chao garden and it had the best chao garden of them all.

[@ally939]

Oh man, watching the game play footage you put over the video brought back so many forgotten memories of me spending hours playing this game as a kid. I’d forgotten just how much I absolutely adored this game when I was little, and I’m really glad that I’m able to have those memories back

[@BlueToadFan]

Im glad that it seems that the adventure Era is getting a resurgence

[@megapokesonicx]

Same

[@OmegaX5000]

Great video, and something in regards to Sonic's running animation where his arms are behind him: I remember either reading or hearing somewhere that he was supposed to do the classic arm pose like in the 2D games, but his arms glitched and just forced themselves to just hang behind in a ninja-run style. I don't know if that's actually what happened, but if so, I actually like that result since it helps convey just how fast Sonic is going even to the point where they just stuck with it in all subsequent games.

[@faidou9954]

I don't care what anyone says, we really do need great sonic games again, and I'm not just talking about fan projects. Gaming just doesn't feel as fun as it was back them without a great sonic game.

[@Neogears1312]

A missed detail about Chaos and Tikal is they're radars function differently. Tikal can't get green indicators at all, while Chaos' radar picks things up at double the radius. This makes Tikal better for quickly combing the level prioritizing the ability to cover ground way easier, while Chaos prioritizes narrowing the search zone dramatically to cut down on needless movements.

[@vanjabulajic1573]

I died at the "I am soOoOo lOst" "SuCh bAaAad dEsiGn" part

[@Z3RO5286]

I am so sick and tired of people blindly hating this game because of a bandwagon and for clout. Not only it's getting old and is not funny but it's very depressing.

[@blackcatdreams2011]

I know this comment is old, but I agree. Plus, I haven't really seen real constructive arguments for why SA2 is a "bad game". It's all just either "it's terrible because it is", disingenuous/surface-level arguments, or problems that were created from ports/localization. It's a flawed game, but not fundementally flawed.

[@Z3RO5286]

@@blackcatdreams2011 SA2 is a great sonic game. Same with the adventure games. The "flaws" can easily be avoided in the game such as the glitches and the graphics, etc. People who joke on adventure games being bad are the same people who still hop on hate bandwagons. The voice acting is not "bad". Your telling me that Ryan Drummond as sonic is worse than rodger craig smith?

[@SidGameReview]

Edited all three emeralds don't trigger the radar in SA2 because of the ranking system, if you find an emerald out of order in most cases the game gives you a score of PERFECT (2000) because you found it out of order. the radar not triggering for all three emeralds is why i sometimes get an A instead of a B, its for the better, since the stages aren't that long anyways if you use the hint system. EDIT: also the rader is locked so that you KNOW which Emerald the hint monitors are referring too, if all Emeralds were active the hint system would confuse you, this just shows that the style wasn't ment to be played without the hint monitors

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

Death Chamber, Meteor Herd and Mad Space: allow me to introduce myself

[@SidGameReview]

@@AkameGaKillfan777 1.death chamber you can use ALL 9 hints and still get the A rank, the 3rd hint for each emerald will tell you exactly where the Emerald is. There is a map plastered everywhere in the level, and wherever you are on the map, that area will glow. Hint example: Emerald 1 Hint 1: embarrassing place Hint 2: the pyramid core Hint 3: behind the Eggman stone statue Emerald 2: Hint 1:two beautiful women on the flame. Hint 2: in the wall Hint 3: the vertical long path to the blue room Death chamber while not hard, its the longest stage in the game, but i still managed to beat it in under 1 minute. 2.Mad space is definitely the most annoying treasure hunting level in the game, but as long as you remember what omochao says about the hint monitors, you will know whether the Emeralds are on one of the planets, top level or bottom level. 3.Meteor herd is one of my favourite levels actually, and by far the easiest out of the three, most 2nd hints for each Emerald will tell you if its on the ground, in the middle level, or at the top of the ark Example : Hint 1: "Dangerous Liquid" Hint 2: "high place" This means the Emerald is at the top of the arc in a chaos solider. And thats about it. Aside from death chamber which needs luck, and knowing where each Emerald is from the first hint. I believe everybody can beat all the treasure hunting stages in under 1 minute But normally played average time should be between 2 minutes and 2 minutes 30 seconds and not more than 3 minutes. The stages weren't ment to be played without the hint monitors, i dont know why people would rather wonder around aimlessly than use them, you can still get am A rank if you use the hint monitors in all the levels, only thing that differs is how many hints you can use before not being able to get an A Wild canyon (recommended 1 hint per Emerald) Death chamber (you can use ALL 9 hints and still get an A) Hope this helps next time you play SA2 :)

[@anundertalefan3305]

You don't get a 2000 point bonus because you found them out of order, you get a higher point bonus the quicker you find an emerald.

[@SidGameReview]

@@anundertalefan3305 what do you mean? As far as i know always whenever i find the 2nd or 3rd emarled before i find the first i get 2000 (Perfect) score on that Emerald Which in treasure hunting 2000 points goes a long way in getting an A. Sure you get more points by finding the Emeralds quicker, but that applies to the current Emerald you are hunting, not the ones out of order Or am i missing something? Wow that will be crazy if i learn something new about treasure hunting 😆

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@SidGameReview If you take too long in stages you won't get a good bonus on any pieces, Emeralds or Keys you have left.

[@BillDozer]

This has to be the best review/analysis of Adventure 2 that I've seen.

[@gustavoborgessilva9936]

1:02:15 actually, time does indeed still pass even in the chao world, sometimes I forget to get out the kindergarten and when I go to the classroom the chao already learned to do the thing that was in the classroom, but since it takes several minutes for the chao to finish the class, the recommended option is to go though the stages and then come back to the chao world to get your chao back

[@spindash64]

Is that why Battle got a 6/10 review compared to the 9/10 a year earlier? It all makes sense now... As for why people hate the treasure stages? Security Hall: 5 minutes to find everything, and you need to leave some items and come back for them later if you have bad luck. Fortunately the grade is very forgiving DEATH CHAMBER: cramped, easy to get lost, hints are really confusing, you warp all over the place, and creepy ghosts everywhere. The level is the antithesis of what makes these stages fun. And people remember this instead of the fun in Pumpkin Hill, because they spend like 2x as long here as they do in every previous treasure stage combined And also, RNG. People HATE spending 20 minutes in a musty cavern because they had rotten luck That being said, I think that the stages that don’t “sandwich” you are very fun. All around I like the SA2 philosophy more, because the speed stages have a cleaner identity: go fast, and hang tight. It’s about perfecting the controls, and even though the Spindash is very weak compared to Sa1, the Homing Attack is SO much stronger, and it doesn’t need a target anymore to have good range (the Sa1 Jump Dash feels flat out anemic by comparison). As for the shooting stages, the more dangerous enemies help make the stages feel more “alive”, even when you’re the only thing around not made of metal. You can’t just ignore them if you have plenty of time, because they won’t ignore you, unlike the Kikis in SA1.

[@connorbeith3232]

As corny and imperfect as the English voices are, I still generally enjoy them and would prefer to stick with them. They're so ingrained into the game's identity for me that listening to any other dub just doesn't feel right to me.

[@davidwilson4446]

That’s why if they ever remake the adventure games they need to keep the old voice acting in the game or re hire the original voice actors to redo lines... I like Roger and Jason but each of those voice actors represent a different era of sonic, can’t see roger or Jason voicing Sonic in the adventure games... Ryan is that youthful energetic kid Jason it that free spirited teen Roger is the seasoned hero So each voice represents a specific personality of Sonic during those times

[@Z3RO5286]

There not corny nor imperfect. The voice acting in the game are the best sonic voice actors that fit with the characters.

[@ruineka_one]

You sir understand exactly why I love Sonic Adventure 2 so much, the only thing I didn't agree with was the ball animation when jumping. I like the poses we got in SA2.

[@makotokatsuragi2720]

36:29 Are those really flaws? I mean , why the fact that RE4 have more focus on action over horror is a flaw ? i can understand the fact that it's sort of sad for the fans of the original trilogy but looking at RE4 as a stand alone title, i can't see the problem with this fact, it's a really well made action game. Also, why the fact that the missions are long is a problem? This game give to the player *A LOT* of chances to save the progress in pretty much every mission of the game , if you are bored you can save you progress and turn off the videogame. Also, why the more limited controls are a flaw ? They are pretty smooth and They fit perfectly with the proposal of the gameplay, personally, i never had a problem with them and i played RE4 *A LOT* of times. Sorry for the bad english, i'm brazilian

[@RubyofBlue]

A lot of the "criticisms" I gave of those three games also fit into the "at worst, even fabricate flaws" that I mention shortly after. I 100% agree with everything you said about RE4, all the things I mentioned aren't really "flaws", in fact they work to make the game great. It's literally my favorite Resident Evil game. Check out this video to find out more of my thoughts on it ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHqteoKCba2JqM0

[@randomhiphop5055]

this was my favorite game as a kid. i was low key obsessed with sonic because of this and the first sonic adventure.

[@hihi-nm3uy]

that intro sums up sonic's legacy one day, i'd like sonic to climb out of that pit

[@devanarcher7054]

Sonic's updated design with longer quills de-emphasized his look on curling up into a ball and spinning but emphasized his look about speed

[@charliekahn4205]

That explains the noticeable lack of ball-curling in the Boost games.

[@casualvanilla]

It looks better for 3D as well. Have you seen Classic Sonic do a spindash in Generations? It looks weird as fuck.

[@melon6444]

People in these comments really came to a video that is very clearly going to be a positive take on SA2 so they can get mad and shit on the game with the exact non-arguments being mocked in the video.

[@charliekahn4205]

I have two things I'd like to see improved in SA2: replace the Somersault with a dedicated rolling ability, activated by pressing the Spindash button while moving. Second, remove about two thirds of the dash pads in the stages, because with the physics, they are basically redundant because of the Spindash and your running speed. Also, there's a mod that fixes the radar. And there's a mod that fixes the textures, and the lighting. And the cutscenes. In fact, most of the visual and gameplay bugs can be fixed using mods.

[@Comkill117]

Gotta say I’m so happy that Adventure fans are all coming out of the wood works lately and showing that these two games are amazing.

[@22kingdomheartsfan]

Sonic Adventure 2 is seriously one of the best Sonic games I've played! Great music, fun levels, challenging ones, introducing of a character who's like the 2nd most popular next to Sonic, and some might disagree, but I like that we go beyond just running from point A to point B. I can understand why the treasure hunting thing might not be the most fun thing, but its different. Sometimes different can be a good thing. It gives characters they're own thing. And I do enjoy being in Tails' robo walker and blowing stuff up. Now I'm not gonna say the game is perfect, nothing is perfect, but its nowhere near a bad game or "Unplayable". You just play it a couple of times and get the hang of it. Though I might be in the minority here when I say: Screw switching to the Japanese voice. I don't care if acting is better, or lines are more fitting, I go English every single time.

[@RichterTheRat]

The biggest problem with gamers today is they have this sense of entitlement where they feel the game should play the way THEY want it to play. Many casual gamers hate having to learn mechanics and will claim the game is badly designed based on their own incompetence(see Arin Hanson for reference). Also the rise of internet funnymen becoming "critics" popularized being nitpicky. Lets face it, nitpicking is essentially critique blackface. Now everyone thinks they're a critic but lacks the ability to properly analyze anything, in addition to unskilled players unfairly labeling games bad when they don't understand the game or it's mechanics. Love your channel so far.

[@megapokesonicx]

I can’t agree more

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@Ryu Bateson Who?

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@Ryu Bateson Sorry, I didn't know about who that guy was.

[@casualvanilla]

I agree. Anyone can insult and nitpick a movie or game for easy laughs and views; most can't actually analyse why it is they think the product is bad.

[@brinst_ar]

Finally somebody said it! Side mouth all the time is real bothersome, it should change according to the camera angle.

[@TheVeniceAngel]

XD I loved the Karen tone you used in the beginning

[@TheeMentorDex]

To make SA2 even better, me and AeroIncarnated are working on making our Modern SA2 to be more of an SA2 remaster! I’m actually really glad you made a very neutral video on the game! Kudos to you my dude!

[@G_Silent]

Part 2 of this review here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIHZpaBvgtiSZ8k KZbin no longer puts the following video in the recommendation list you get with the video. So posting part 2 here.

[@hawk6901]

I honestly like the SOAP shoes more than the usual shoes SA2 had this cool style about it that I really love I wish this kind of style would return.

[@chrislopez5301]

Hawk Boy these are fav shoes for sonic idgaf they slap

[@hawk6901]

@@chrislopez5301 Same

[@casualvanilla]

Considering how he grinds on rails now, they make a lot more sense. Apparently there were fans who didn't like the shoes when Adventure 2 came out, but I think they were just opposed to change.