Why Southerners Didn’t Actually Come From Britain

Many of us naturally assume that migration to the 13 colonies came directly from the British isles, and England primarily, however when it comes to the South, there’s a complexity to the history of migration to the region, a complexity which directly contributed to the emergence of the Southern character, the practice of slavery, and the ultimate secession that led to the Civil War. So what exactly is meant when I ask why southerners didn’t come from Britain? Where did southerners come from, and how did this effect the emergence of southern culture and modern southern history? #history #politics #americanpolitics #alternatehistory #geopolitics

[@Cool-123]

I’m sorry to hear about what happened, thank you for putting this out in spite of that, it was incredibly interesting. I will be praying for your safe travels.

[@MonsieurDean]

Thank you

[@user-kk3bi9rx6x]

Amen brother

[@AntiAzovIndividual]

@@MonsieurDeando you think they deliberately targeted you for your political opinions, or was it a coincidence?

[@def3ndr887]

Always hide your stuff, especially in liberal cities

[@michaelwhary7697]

Ave Maria

[@griffin.xxxxxx]

Scots-Irish is very very different from Scottish + Irish, it’s basically Anglicized Lowland Scots who moved to the Ulster region of Ireland. Not exactly “Irish” or “Scottish” more like a mix that was piled in with Hugeonaut refugees, Welsh and Englishmen aswell. So its much more complicated than the title “Scots-Irish” implies.

[@user-cn8cz3qz6z]

Lowland Scots are no more "anglicized" than Highland Scots, and Scots-Irish people tend to be overwhelmingly Scottish in ancestry, with very little Irish ancestry.

[@hia5235]

@@user-cn8cz3qz6z Disagree

[@tenbroeck1958]

Great point

[@griffin.xxxxxx]

I am talking about cultural quirks from like 1500 to 1760 not modern times, Also while I agree with your comment completely Im just saying the term is misleading. Some people legit read it and think Scot + Irish = 50% Scot 50% Irish, when its more about language and culture than ethnicity. Like a person with Irish flag tattoo in North Carolina because they read in a textbook that the south comes from Scots-Irish migrations. @@user-cn8cz3qz6z

[@Halbared]

Lowland Scot’s and Nother m English were part of the kingdom of Northumbria, they were more akin to each other than when they split later on.

[@adamhenrywalker]

My ancestors came from Norfolk, England, and built Norfolk, Virginia

[@achaeanmapping4408]

Watch the video my guy, he isn't disputing that

[@EchoLog]

Mine came from France, and France wouldn't tell us where from exactly! 😅

[@alesiswhite9010]

The French built america

[@mightyx5441]

@@alesiswhite9010 no the continent was built by god (if you're religious), or the movement of tectonic plates

[@EchoLog]

@@mightyx5441 found the pedant

[@Mast3r0fTheUniverse]

As a Parking Executive I have this advice for everyone. LEAVE NOTHING IN YOUR CAR! The number one crime in the US is auto break ins. And that’s not going to change. It sucks. It’s a pain. But it’s where we are as a society. If you value it, never leave it in your car.

[@desichalkos5627]

Please don't take offense, but just can't but feel like this is somehow victim-blaming. But your damn right that it's a sad fact of life, It's just all so tiring.

[@Mast3r0fTheUniverse]

@@desichalkos5627 I’m not offended. And at this point we are to the point of “victim blaming” in an attempt to educate the public. Trust me, this isn’t a tact we take likely. I’d even tell people to be aware of the perception your car projects. Where I live, SUV’s - Pick Up Trucks - Muscle Cars are all targeted for the increased likely hood that there’s a firearm in the car. Another target are rental cars with an out of state tag. Yes, these are all inconvenient for the victims, but law enforcement is pretty much powerless to prevent these crimes. Property owners are even more powerless. So the best advice I can give people is to take this all into consideration when you travel by car or attend an event in an urban setting.

[@ellismarquez8410]

Better yet, just avoid the left coast altogether, or any other place that's woke.

[@springtrapstarwar5557]

​@@Mast3r0fTheUniversei agree with you on that. Crime rate is high in california.

[@Mast3r0fTheUniverse]

@@ellismarquez8410 if it was just that easy. I don’t live on the west coast, or a blue state, but auto larceny is still our biggest crime. And firearm theft from vehicles only happens in states with easy gun laws.

[@agentoffortune3615]

Hello Good Sir, Southerner here, thanks for showing this today. Our people need more recognition of our history and see how we have grown and changed

[@williammoran4898]

As a Alabamian I couldn't agree more. Our history is reminiscent of the politricks we are living with today. To many stop any nuanced understanding by injecting over stated bombastic rhetoric meant to silence a conversation. No nuance is reachable as defense becomes tantamount facing attack, instead of good faith discussion, it simplifies , it to we're it's not a legitimate claim as it's ignoring far to much and is heavy handed in only one agenda driven narrative. The degradation of America comes from what Lincoln starts, yet it stays invisible mostly to all as he is upheld as a hero instead of a dictating tyrant by a govt whose propaganda is so strong. Is any other president memorialized sitting in a throne.? No. Thats a king, dictator , memorial not a presidential one.

[@useritiswhatitis4655]

waah im not raysist i improved see muh daughter she be wit tyrone im so progressive 🏳‍🌈

[@williammoran4898]

@@useritiswhatitis4655 no one injected anything your suggesting but you. Why does it live in your head so much snowflake. Can you show us where uncle cousin touched you?.

[@OrthodoxSultan]

@@useritiswhatitis4655I’m racist

[@monsieurcharcutier4490]

Definitely we definitely need to dwell in the miseries of the past because that's conducive to human flourishing

[@johncunningham8213]

This makes sense because my British ancestors didn't come to Louisiana until the 1800s. My French ancestors came around the 1720s or 1730s and started the (allegedly) first plantation west of the Mississippi River. 300 years later, and I'm in the same town and don't plan on leaving. If you come through Louisiana on your travels, let me know, I'd love to show you either No Man's Land, or the oldest settlement in the Louisiana Purchase and the surrounding plantations.

[@Tallos404]

What part cause I'm out in Tangi?

[@reeldeelz2940]

What book is MrZ talking about?

[@ronwinkles2601]

Most of my French ancestors came to South Carolina and Pennsylvania during the same period as yours 1720 to 1730's. They had been ran out of France in the 1680's as Huegunots and went to Switzerland before coming the the US . After several years in America they spread throughout the South to Louisiana, Kentucky and Tennessee.

[@marcuscole1994]

The river parishes???

[@dreadhead5719]

i think you enslaved some of my family members

[@donniedewitt9878]

Glad to see you had the drive to finish this video despite dealing with low trust society behavior

[@achaeanmapping4408]

>Goes to West Coast >Gets robbed Why am I not surprised?

[@user-io9ie5cs8j]

I know right? My cousin's apartment complex has had 16 break ins. He's in Seattle, actually Kent. They know who it is, a resident, and his mom's narced on him, but the friggin cops Always have an excuse to do nothing

[@benjamingrist6539]

It should be noted that much of the Caribbean Anglo culture of the Deep South was obliterated during the war. That’s why southern culture today has a much more Scots-Irish flare, as the Appalachians and swamp people saw far less devastation than the rest of the region. That oddly mirrors what happened in Scotland. Highland culture now dominates the entire country while the lowland culture is all but gone.

[@internetual7350]

How exactly does Highland culture "dominate" Scotland when the Gaelic language is almost non-existent outside of the northernmost reaches of the Highlands while Scottish English or "Scots" dominates? From my understanding the "Highland culture" that has taken hold in much of the Lowlands is little more than Braveheart culture, a bastardization of the centuries old Gaelic tradition of Alba.

[@kcirtapelyk6060]

The South is actually more English than anything else (besides Afro-American of course). The amount of Scots-Irish that came to America is often over exaggerated and all of them ended up intermarrying with other ethnic groups (especially the English). My mom’s family are from Eastern Kentucky and while we do have some Scots-Irish ancestry, we’re primarily of English stock. Also, most Scots who emigrated to the South came from the Lowlands, not the Highlands. The only part of the South where there’s a significant Scottish Highland influence is Southeastern North Carolina.

[@benjamingrist6539]

@@internetual7350 As for language, English and Scots is definitely dominate, but the culture is mostly influenced by the highlands. The lowlands were culturally extensions of England by the time of the last Jacobite uprising. When George IV lifted the ban on displays of highland culture, the Scots began building a new national identity around that highland culture, since it was the only distinct part of their history that still existed. Granted, it's a romanticized version of highland culture, but it still dominates the country. I'm aware lowland Scots were the primarily Scottish settlers of the South. I was comparing the dispersion of culture in the South and in Scotland in the same way one would compare America to Rome. Is it a one-to-one example? No, but it serves well as an illustration.

[@benjamingrist6539]

@@kcirtapelyk6060 the English were by far the biggest ethnic group in the South. Only about 250K Scots-Irish were present in America at the time of the revolution, counting those in Pennsylvannia and New Hampshire. However, the predominately Scots-Irish areas of the South weren't as heavily affected by the carnage of the Civil War as the English areas, leading to the Scots-Irish culture diffusing throughout the South after the war and eventually coming to dominate it.

[@ivonnikolova503]

@@benjamingrist6539 how many are modern americans of English ancestry ? Your last census say 25 million or something which is ABSURD. Because the census in 1980 show 50 million English from 225 million Americans. Only for natural reasons the English people in US are MINIMUM 60 million. Of course more than half of them simply identified like ,,american'' which is totally nonsense.

[@shanepond7063]

I'm sorry about your stuff man, believe me iv'e been there. Thanks for soldiering on with this video all the same, it really reassuring to see a brother not let terrible things bring them down.

[@Echowhiskeyone]

Theft is never good, even if something insignificant is taken. The more important the items, the more it hurts. Decades ago, I had a backpack taken from my truck, and a near empty backpack, just a US Navy security badge. Called the base to report the badge, then the police. Badge was deactivated and a new one issued, police report only because of the badge. No big deal, but it still hurt that somebody did it. I wish you the best of luck in your travels.

[@billnye7323]

Most of my ancestors on my dad's side of the family migrated from England (East Anglia) and settled in Virginia and started moving as far South as Georgia. I even have an ancestor who fought in the Civil War on the Confederate side (who was a resident of Georgia at the time).

[@Paul-dv4dr]

Fair enough. Greetings from Beccles, East Anglia, UK (Some families got left behind...)

[@lauriivey7801]

My father's family did the same, England to Virginia, then on to North Carolina ... Took until the middle of the last century for us to finally move on to Texas

[@jenningsrountree458]

Far more people in the Midlands and Upcountry of South Carolina migrated in from North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania, etc. than from Charleston. Many in Jasper County migrated over from the Salzburgers in Georgia and Orangeburgh and Newberry were largely German. There was a Huguenot element in Charleston and Abbeville.

[@Salvino110]

You pose a very interesting point. My parents are from Southern Italy, and there is a clear distinction, culturally, lingustically, cuisine and belief systems - between Italians located south of Rome, and those living north of the capital. The word 'culture' offers up all sorts of possibilities., based on traditions, customs and practices. Your video merits recognition, well done!

[@nellydelgado5573]

Culturally wise Rome is more northern or southern? Cheers

[@Salvino110]

@@nellydelgado5573 Rome is the most multicultural city in Italy, with most if its culture mix originating from the South. Hope this helps.

[@nellydelgado5573]

@@Salvino110 Ok Florence would be fully northern culture?

[@Salvino110]

@@nellydelgado5573 Why are you saying fully? The Tuscan demographic differs to Rome's, and Florence (which was once the capital of Italy for a short time) has been influenced more by Northern culture.

[@nellydelgado5573]

@@Salvino110 I’m not a native speaker to start, I might not use the best words but I want to understand how Italy is from an Italian person. Because you say there’s a clear distinction between South and North. I wanted to know where’s the line between. If Rome is more southern where the north begins?

[@MatthewChenault]

A lot of Southerners have French heritage, specifically French Huguenot heritage.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

I don't but I know several who do so I see what your talking about.

[@christophernash1846]

Not in Louisiana or in Canada which is where the Catholcs went .

[@kommando5562]

@@christophernash1846Maryland was the Catholic zone

[@christophernash1846]

@@kommando5562 in the original colonies though. Louisiana was part of New France which was a different colony /province under France .Thus the Catholics lived in Canada & Louisiana . Maryland was the Catholic zone for English Catholics

[@M3TaGh0sStT]

Mine is from Normandy/Brittany. Didn’t know about Brittany until I did my ancestry. We just eventually landed Britain and married Celtic women.

[@thelegate8636]

You say Southerners, but you're only talking about the Deep Southern cultures rather than the Upper and Appalachian cultures. We of the latter 2 are pretty squarely English, mostly Northern.

[@-Katastrophe]

Which is weird as the southern accent is actually very close to the british accent.

[@kcirtapelyk6060]

That’s why so many British actors are brilliant at doing Southern accents. The classical Southern accent actually originated in Southern and Western England.

[@huntncover]

I was born near the border of North and South Carolina , about 40 miles from Myrtle Beach , S.C. All of my relatives that live in that area have the heavy southern accent . Much more pronounced than our relatives from the Greensboro , N.C. area . To me it sounds like nothing that I can compare it to , like it fell down from Heaven . We moved to Milwaukee , Wisconsin when I was a baby so I have no accent . My Mom and Dad retain theirs , but it's tame compared to the Tabor City , N.C. twang that our relatives have . I believe it's a hybrid tongue that contains Native American heritage mixed in . That may be the only plausible explanation of this very unique accent . My Dad said there were a lot of Indians down there , and the names one of the rivers backs that up - The Waccamaw River . My Grandma looked exactly like a native American .

[@benjaminhubbard5521]

Sorry to hear about the theft of your personal items, great video despite that, been watching this channel for like 5 years now keep it up big man 🤝

[@redscope897]

I hate to expel the reality but nearly 50% of the colonies came from England, 7% Scotland and 5% irish. The majority of settlers in terms of the population even in the south came from Britain. The caribbean population at the time was tiny they make up less than 1% of the population. The idea this is reason the south was different from the north makes zero sense. The Elizabethan English is the language the south uses for example. You had centers across the USA that had area that dominated by a culture French, German, Scottish etc.

[@757CitiesReppa]

He is talking about the differences within “the south” I think.

[@Vorratus]

Oh, man! Sorry to hear about your rental car getting burgled. Re your comment on Southern culture, I recall one of Thomas Sowell's books mentioning that had the Southern colonies saw a larger influx and influence of Britons, like what happened in the Northern colonies, AFTER the beginning English Enlightenment, we might've been spared the Civil War. I'd also like your thoughts on Bacon's Rebellion... if its impact did indeed set the stage for Civil War 200 years later... and what might've been had there been a different outcome. Enjoy your vacation; safe journey, MrZ! Cheers! 🍺😁🇺🇸

[@pastorclay82]

No offense it check out dumpsters around the scene of the crime. Clothing is usually tossed after being searched.

[@blitzkrieg2928]

This video reminds me of Luke Smith's video on the book : Albion's Seed ( where the first populations split in around groups the southerners were primarily Southern Gentry/Planterers ( around Virginia ) and the border folks ( the protocowboys)

[@DiamondKingStudios]

Given that my great-grandmother was born to a family of rural Amherst County, VA with Scotch-Irish ancestry and a claim to have lived in the state since colonial times, this makes me imagine some eighth cousin of mine as a cowboy.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

@@DiamondKingStudios Somewhat. Cattle and their management were a big part of their lives as cattle were for them and their ancestors in Ulster and the Borderlands before them the main form of wealth. The primary distinction being horses weren’t commonly used in cattle droving in these places due to their cost at this time and thus bullships and dogs were used to keep herds together or cut out individual cows.

[@Fred_Lougee]

​@@donkeysaurusrex7881 The American cowboy owes more to the Spanish vaquero than to the British cowherd. Horses were much more appreciated, if that's the right word, in Iberia than in Britain. For example, the famed Lippazaner horses of Austria were bred from the white Camargue horses of the Rhone River Delta by the Spanish Habsburgs and trained to be cavalry mounts which could be used to attack. In other words, not just something to ride unto battle on, but to be a weapon in it's own right. The school in Austria was started as a branch of the original school in Madrid. The cowboy isn't just a cowherd on a horse, he's a cowherd on a trained horse and that training was worked out by the vaqueros on the land grant ranchos in Texas using horses which were originally brought to New Spain for the military. The pinto and appaloosa, distinctly American breeds, are descended from those white Camargue horses brought by the Spanish and later stolen by natives in New Mexico. Those Navaho fled northward, recruited some Utes, became the Shoshone, and conquered the northern Rockies in a very short time.

[@jadesabrexiv]

Sorry to hear about the theft and glad to hear you’re enjoying the journey. Good point on the different cultural origins of the ‘rabble-rousers’ of the South. My money is on the point of origin being a Caribbean Island colony. When you replace the book, could you please share the title with us? I’m curious about it now and would love something new to dig into. JSX.

[@romp6969]

Yes. Please share the title. I would like to read the book myself.

[@WestTNConfed]

Southerner here. Almost all of my ancestors came from England and Scotland in the 17th century and early 18th century. Some came from Wales and Ireland.

[@natecofga4679]

Hey Monsieur Z I really enjoy our history alternative and analysis videos. I glad you mention that the South was up until the eve of the civil war was not really unified as we think today. In fact, it wasn't even until President Lincoln order 75K troops that the other southern states decided to join the deep south states. I got an alternative history idea to go along with this video. My home state of Georgia was originally founded as a free state under James Ogelthorpe in 1732. He and the other men couldn't continue to run the colony so the British Crown to over and made it a royal colony in 1750 and the next year 1751 allowed slavery. My question would be what if Georgia was still a free state even up till the civil war in 1861?

[@MonsieurDean]

Fascinating idea

[@kenlandon6130]

The South was not unified after Lincoln's call for troops either. Appalachia overwhelmingly sided with the Union out of resentment for the slaveholding Tidewater gentry (in Virginia and a chunk of North Carolina) and Deep South slave lords (elsewhere), which had both systematically marginalized them economically and politically even before the founding of the Republic. It also greatly helped that a far smaller share of Appalachians owned slaves compared to Deep Southerners or Tidewater residents. West Virginia successfully seceded from its parent state, and northern Alabama and eastern Tennessee unsuccessfully attempted to secede. Both regions' delegates and residents generally voted against secession and were the main sources of Union regiment recruiting in their states. Among the pro-Confederate regions (Tidewater and the Deep South), Tidewater was far more ambivalent about the Confederacy despite its radicalization by the Nat Turner and John Brown uprisings as well as the gradual shift of its legal and political culture towards the Deep South's brutal and barbaric slave system as opposed to the more "enlightened" vision of the Virginia founders, who often hoped for slavery's demise even as they continued to personally profit from it and did little to nothing to end it. Something like 40% of Virginian-born military officers in 1860 sided with the Union, and a decent chunk of Tidewater was stuck in Union-supporting states like Maryland and Delaware. Then as now, the region had a much closer relationship with the federal government and with the influence of Midlands culture and commerce than the Deep South.

[@kenlandon6130]

Not all of the "southern" (I assume you mean slaveholding) states sided with the Confederacy. MD, DE, MO, KY, and later WV stayed loyal.

[@marcbahn5487]

Georgia was founded as a penal colony.

[@boomerang1125]

Mine did. In 1733 my direct ancestor immigrated from Worcester, Worcestershire, England on a ship headed to the newly created town of Savannah Georgia. He settled in South Carolina. His son moved to New Orleans after the Louisiana Purchase. His son owned a water mill in St. Tammany Parish. His son migrated to Texas right after it became a state. He was drafted as a private and fought for the Texas Cavalry during the Civil War. 4 generations later I was born in Ft. Worth.

[@George713M]

Sorry to hear you got robbed man. This was a very interesting video, though. I really enjoyed it. Stay safe out there.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content z! Keep going 😊😊😊😊

[@SevereWeatherCenter]

A lot of people in the south actually have Scottish and Irish ancestry

[@translucentorb]

Scotch-Irish, were actually Scottish people that settled in Northern Ireland before moving on to north America. They were genetically almost purely Scottish though.

[@paulraines9635]

Although tens of thousands of Irish came to America through New Orleans or Savannah, the vast majority went north or west to Texas.

[@WestlehSeyweld]

⁠@@translucentorbthe Scotch Irish were made of up of Protestant Northern English and Lowland Scots who settled Ulster and then soon after moved to America. Northern English are English, and Lowland Scots are also. Unlike the Gaelic Scots up in the highlands who hail from Ireland and traditionally speak a Celtic tongue as a result. The Lowland Scots originally descend from the Anglian settlers of the most Northern edges of the Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Northumbria. Hence why Scots is a Germanic language of the Anglic variety, like true English is.

[@SevereWeatherCenter]

@@paulraines9635 That’s why a lot of people in Texas have the Mc surname as I’ve noticed

[@benjamingrist6539]

The Scots-Irsih settled in Appalachia originally. That's why Tennessee and Kentucky have distinct cultures from their neighbors. They later spread out to the Ozarks, Texas, and the swampland of south Georgia and north Florida. The Scots-Irish southerners were pretty split over secession, with many counties deep in the mountains of the Ozarks and Appalachians supporting the Union. However, after the war, the horid treatment of the South during reconstruction and particularly the abuse of northern coal and timber companies turned the Scots-Irish into a thoroughly pro-Southern/Confederate population.

[@Imagineitisraining]

My English ancestors came to America in 1652. They started growing tobacco in Virginia. I have dutifully traced this family back to 1402 with solid evidence. In fact, a book was written in this family.

[@toefoneman]

You look just like i imagined! Godspeed, hope u get ur stuff back!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Sorry to hear that man. Keep going

[@MonsieurDean]

Thank you, I will

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

@@MonsieurDean 🔥🔥🔥

[@AgentPerry8018]

Mr Z looks awesome

[@MonsieurDean]

Thanks, pal

[@burtonkephart6239]

Very good video ! As someone with parentage from Virginia who moved to deep Deep South ( florida Georgia line) area and then lived in Birmingham Alabama I noticed the variations in culture even from deep Deep South to northern Deep South . It’s interesting that the Deep South all very quickly voted for secession whilst mid and northern south hesitated until months later . Also north Georgia and north Alabama counties voted against secession probably having more background from Tennessee and North Carolina etc in part. As you know the history the Virginians and North Carolinians went into Kentucky and Tennessee respectively so this explains and they filtered down into north parts of Alabama and Georgia as well!!

[@hm5142]

Yeah, if Virginia and the upper south had not seceded, we could have been saved much of the carnage of the war. There was obviously no stopping South Carolina, but it was clearly a near thing in Virginia, perhaps because the elite families had embraced the slave culture.

[@TheJam1192]

My family came directly over from England Scotland and Wales. It was interesting to find out through documentation.

[@williaminnes6635]

had an uncle who always believed one of his first or third grandfathers was Scottish. Turned out the guy was Jamaican and had marked Scottish on the form.

[@TheJam1192]

@@williaminnes6635 Might have been Scottish before moving to Jamaica perhaps? I know mine had church records from Britain that if I paid extra I could have delved further into but I didn’t want to pay more than I already was. They all had fancy names like they might have been minor nobility perhaps.

[@williaminnes6635]

@@TheJam1192 Possibly wasn't exactly a path enough families didn't take. IIRC Governor Douglas was first generation Caribbean though I can not remember which colony. (the guy who set up British Columbia as a colony, for good or for ill, and is largely responsible for the fact that there were never any treaties, due to taking the approach of using existing middleman networks of groups who were used to thinking of themselves as middlemen to project authority. I remember during the antipipeline protests which turned out to have been ginned up by who knows whom that eventually the Wetsuweten inland people wrote a letter describing their traditional governance structure, and...it sounded a LOT like Scottish Rite Freemasonry - highly ritualized processions inside a feast hall with a strict hierarchy of chiefs and subchiefs.)

[@TheJam1192]

@@williaminnes6635 oh wow interesting!

[@williaminnes6635]

@@TheJam1192 There's a bit in The Man Who Would Be King - they made a movie of it with Sean Connery and Michael Caine - where the two leads have decided to call themselves a two-man masonic chapter and have memorized just enough Victorian masonic shibboleths to pass themselves off - it's a picaresque story that gets progressively more epic through improbable coincidences - where one of the plot points turns on the pretend country to which they have travelled north of Afghanistan somehow having always had a masonic chapter. Finding out tit bits like the way Wetsuweten governance works makes me wonder how much of that Kipling pulled out of his ass and how much of it was that he actually did run into masonic chapters in extremely backwater bits of India.

[@matthiaspfisterer2066]

Just stumbled across this video and I love your ways of deep thought about the complexities of history and your curiosity. How brittle the notion of "nation" states is, isn´t it? Looking forward to watch more of your stuff. So sorry for your losses man. But at least you got a new subscriber from Europe now!

[@markbeckham7298]

Of English descent here and I and my family have lived in Southeast Georgia (coastal area) for more than 200 years coming from England!

[@R_TERRA916]

Great video 👍 Ongezelling reference 👍💎🇳🇱💪

[@MaitlandJones]

Sorry to hear what happened man. Best wishes!

[@firemixgaming2836]

interesting would love to see a video looking more into the topic

[@jdogm99]

The Barbadians were still of an English background just influenced by the Caribbean plantation economic style but nonetheless this is all correct. I actually thought about this other day the difference in the Cavalier-Anglo and Scots-Irish south and the Barbadian south. It all reflects like you said with the issues of the civil war. I’m from Texas and so my ancestry is about 80% British(mostly English and then Scots-Irish) and 20% German as I did have a German ancestor migrate to Texas during the big German immigration period. My paternal ancestor was in East Tennessee before coming to Texas, and when the civil war broke out he actually fought for the Union cavalry regiment of East Tennessee. That side of the family was part of the Virginia settlers. My mom’s side however does have the South Carolina line and her direct ancestor fought in Georgia’s confederate militia. The different British (and other broadly European) cultures that led to the creation of the regional American cultures is an interesting topic for sure. One very often overlooked by Americans unfortunately.

[@lindaeasley5606]

I've learned alot about American history through genealogy research. The Scots Irish settled in the Appalachian mountains before the Revolutionary War. It angered the Monarchy that they were moving westward beyond the area in which George lll allowed as the British wanted the American Indian territory untouched . After the war many Virginians,South and North Carolinians began moving to Georgia , Tennessee and Kentucky and they were of British heritage like my ancestors

[@stuartmccall5474]

OMG Linda, I would suggest you don't repeat that fact regarding your true statement that, "the British wanted the American Indian territory untouched" at school or the local PTA, as being correct could be dangerous in America if it goes against the "historical" party line. No Taxation without Representation sits better and is also simpler to understand? Common sense suggests that the political & social cultures of the US and Canada should be similar as the 49th parallel is just a line drawn on a map, and both Nations have indigenous peoples who occupied land that settlers wanted to expand into. It might come as a surprise to you that ALL the Land Treaties the Crown (British) made with the 1st Nation's Peoples on behalf of the Canadian settlers remain unbroken even today, and more importantly legally valid. I think this would be at some variance to the US Government / Indigenous peoples experience, but it is as it is.

[@williaminnes6635]

Stinks about that theft man.

[@BORN-to-Run]

THESE are excellent insights you're making, young man! Reflections that I have NEVER even considered as an "indigenous" American (not Indian). The Anglo Colonial southerners, who moved down into South Carolina from Virginia, had apparently SAW and TASTED the potential for EXTREME WEALTH through slavery. What other reason would they have had? Thanks for turning these stones over. I have never heard the beginnings of slavery discussed from this perspective before.

[@Alex_FRD]

Sorry you had to go through that, but it certainly serves as encouragement to never visit that failed state.

[@calebstarcher4934]

Keep your head up Z! Great video, also interesting to think of the Francophilia the Southerners had

[@pierren___]

Nobles reconize nobles

[@perseverance9020]

The Burden of Southern History by C. Van Woodward is a good book for understanding the various intricacies of Southern History.

[@garrettallen7427]

Do you remember the name of the book? It sounds like an interesting read!

[@MonsieurDean]

The Formative Years

[@garrettallen7427]

@@MonsieurDean thank you for letting me know! I’m sorry your stuff got stolen, I’m glad to see you still going strong though!

[@samuelhpardew751]

England, Scotland and Ireland, these are mine and all Southern. Some here since 1669.

[@mcalexander94]

Thanks for the video. I'm always interested in my southern heritage since mine and my wife's families have been in the south over 200 years. They seem to have started out in North and South Carolina but moved over the mountains after the Revolutionary war.

[@harrisondansie9542]

Was this Albion's Seed by David Fischer perchance? I've heard about it through the internet time and again but haven't really considered reading it.

[@lynxedits1816]

Sorry about your Grandads hat, you will be in my thoughts and prayers. Great video though!

[@jamesshepherd5246]

Thank you for not bashing on my Ancestors. That’s all I’m fired up about and you put something out that is intelligent and well spoken. Very interesting and thank you for teaching and not telling people things. God bless Sir.

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

OH NO! He exists. I always imagined him as an ethereal voice with no body.

[@TankFerretPresents]

Somehow I'm not surprised to see that you are James Dean levels of cool. Well played, good sir. Well played.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Monseuir Z is handsome, dude has great hair, travels, has a great car and can talk for hours about history. He has unlocked ultimate rizz

[@alexdavis1541]

I read also that slavery did not simply arise in the American colonies without an evolving legal context, i.e. finding a legal excuse for it. Since the English settlers considered themselves to be legally free under the law, as a general principle anyway, how would it be possible to permit slavery under the same laws? The answer came through the system of indentured servitude. It was determined that the right of an Englishman in the colonies to buy his way out of this, or to be free once his term was ended, could not be withheld from him. However that person had to be clearly "English" to be subject to English law. In the colonies there were people in servitude who were clearly not English. After at least one legal case it was determined the servitude of such people could be permanent. This lead to the legal codification of slavery. And, of course, people who were black were considered to be clearly not English. This made me wonder how the French, Spanish, Portuguese and Dutch colonies dealt with the same thing. They did not have the same idea of the rights of an individual as bestowed by common law for example. At the same time they must have had to grapple with the issue in order to concoct a justification for slavery.

[@kenlandon6130]

Virginia's 1663 law declaring that slavery would be inherited through the mother's status was a terrifying legal "innovation" that entrenched slavery into the law.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

The Spanish after a time turned to using Africans instead of Indians as slaves because it was held that Africans had had generations of exposure to Christianity while largely refusing to convert whereas Indians had widely converted within a generation or two thus it was okay to enslave Africans instead of their coreligionists. It would not surprise me if the Portuguese believed the same though it should be noted the native population Brasil was much smaller than in the main Spanish colonies. That said eventually slavery in Spanish colonies also allowed slaves certain days to work solely for their own compensation, the ability to own property free and clear of their owner, and the nonnegotiable ability to buy their own freedom at a price set by the government.

[@kn-qz7by]

Is it correct to assume that when the term "Scots-Irish" is used to identify those who settled in the South it's specifically referring to the Protestant Irish from what today is known as Northern Ireland, a completely separate country from overwhelmingly Catholic Ireland?

[@johnpatrick5307]

Its an American term. They were all called Irish originally. Northern Ireland has 50% Irish DNA (Ancestry DNA), so its not completely separate.

[@kn-qz7by]

@@johnpatrick5307 Thanks for your reply. First I need to mention that I’m very surprised (assuming it’s indeed true) that the people of Northern Ireland have only 50% Irish DNA. Admittedly I’m no expert on Irish or British history so I’ll assume the other 50% is mostly non-Irish British DNA. Secondly, based on what you wrote the Irish in American “Scots-Irish” could have either Irish OR what today is known as Northern Irish DNA.

[@johnpatrick5307]

@@kn-qz7by Well people would have you believe that there are no Irish in Northern Ireland - but Irish is very much the majority. I think about 25% is British, 12% Northwest European, 10% Viking, 3% Iberian. "Scots-Irish" is an American term - most of these people would have been Irish. People have DNA tested the supposed "Scots-Irish" and they found them to be in general Irish! 67% is the figure for Irish in Ireland - so Northern Ireland is not that different from the rest of Ireland.

[@jas1049]

Just to be clear - as far as I am aware “Scots-Irish” means protestants (for the most part) from Scotland and northern England that were supplanted into Ireland as part of the plantations of Ireland and subsequently emigrated to the U.S. They are not descendants of native Irish catholics.

[@CrazyMonkey679]

You are correct

[@hoboonwheels9289]

Did you name the book? Its interesting how re reading you notice different stuff each time. Like you said maybe what experience you gain?

[@coachwill]

Sorry about the theft. My family is split from English, Scots-Irish, Dutch and Native American. All of them started in either Virginia or Charleston, SC and spread south and west from there. There's a significant portion of my ancestors that came over from England into Virginia and eventually into SC due to family asking them to come over. On my mother's side they were Dutch from areas in NY and PA.

[@andrewmask705]

You have an incredible voice. You should consider something in tv. Interesting video, sorry about the items stolen.

[@teddycooke8145]

Hope you stay safe .. i hope to one day in the future take a vacation around the states

[@subdeaconk]

Aw, man, that’s terrible. 🙁 thanks for still making the vid and the update Z-man What’s the book called?

[@MonsieurDean]

The Formative Years

[@richardjones6475]

I love that you made your video anyway.

[@joesalyers]

So lets look at my family who come from the Appalachian areas of southwestern Virginia & Southeastern Kentucky. My 3x great Grandmother was a run away indentured servant who's grandfather and grandmother had been lied too and told if he would work 10 years for a Virginia Tobacco farmer who also had a timber company they would get their freedom debt paid in full, they found out after coming here that the farmer had no intention of freeing them or his 2 children or anyone. They appear on property taxes of Virginia until her escape. She was taught to read and write for the sole purpose of book keeping. She left at 19 years old, stole his wagon and 2 horses while the owner was out of town in the middle of the night and fled Southwest Virginia to Southeastern Kentucky around 40 miles away with her 1st daughter who was 2 at the time. She told everyone she was escaping a terrible husband and her but upon her death the family found her diary which they then learned the truth. She made sure all of the kids learn to read and write and made them keep a diary and a family tree because that is what the rich people did. For 3 years during the war she made her daughters take food to the Union soldiers at the Kentucky Virginia state line which was lead by Colonel Garfield at Pound Gap Virginia. My 2x great aunt married a Union officer and moved to Washington DC area where their family still resides today. I tell all of this to say that many of the people of the Appalachian coalfields of Eastern Ky and Southwest Virginia can't trace their family back before the Civil War this is because the vast majority were indentured servants. This is why you have so many people from the area claiming to have Indian heritage because they would have been working side by side with slaves and many would have formed families with them but after the war numerous people would claim to have native American heritage simple to not have social stigmas attached to their children after being free. The Indian heritage lie was told up until DNA testing became popular like 23&ME . This was simply because most families are private and hid the fact they were indentured servant or didn't even know the truth after 1 generation so the lie most thought was true of Native heritage perpetuated for decades so much so that the people saying it thought it was true. Many are Ulster Scots and Irish in the area but the DNA samples from the area are interesting. If you find you have only english anglo heritage you were from a family of colonial wealth but if you have a mixture of Slavic, Scottish, Irish and African you can bet your family were brought to America in servitude and had children with the other people on the farms. The British had a way of making things sound fancy when they aren't. So even on the tax papers the Africans were called slaves while Europeans were called Indentured Servants even though they were treated pretty much the same. My Great grandmothers Dairies are a insane like a time machine of faded pages that sound closer to something like the King James Bible than to modern english, it sounds so eloquent compared to modern writing yet the depth at which she describes the fear she had of being found before the war is heartbreaking because if caught she would have been hanged and he children taken back as property. Luckily that never happened.

[@757CitiesReppa]

This is pretty interesting.

[@kenlandon6130]

If y'all want to learn more about this stuff, read Colin Woodward's excellent magnum opus American Nations. He talks about how "the South" is really 3 "nations": Greater Appalachia, Deep South, and Tidewater. The Deep South's origins lay in Barbados, Greater Appalachia's in the lowlands of Scotland, and Tidewater's in the countryside manors of the English gentry.

[@longiusaescius2537]

Interesting!

[@causticchameleon7861]

My ancestors, English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh, came to Virginia between 1610 and 1700. Then migrated south to North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia by the mid 1700’s. Most, on both sides, lived in the Piedmont to Charleston then migrated over to Georgia’s foothills to the coast. One or two came to Charleston via Bermuda and their house is still in the historic area of Charleston. So most of my relatives who came here were not here from Britain. They were here from their respective countries in the British Isles.

[@alexeifrederickflores4021]

A more modern version of this thesis is Colin Woodard's American Nations.. which a pretty good explanation for these different settlement patterns and cultures.

[@Cent._]

Exactly, this topic is so interesting

[@darthhodges]

My question is how long had those who settled South Carolina been in the Caribbean before moving to the American mainland? If most of them had been born in Britain and had only been in the Caribbean a few years that would challenge the validity of your thoughts expressed here. But if most of them had been born in the Caribbean or been living there for decades that would be long enough to develop a unique culture from those coming direct from Britain.

[@MonsieurDean]

We’re looking at an at least half century of time between Barbados settlement and that of South Carolina, that’s ample time for two generations who never knew life in England, and would have grown up living in the planter society.

[@williaminnes6635]

I remember having read somewhere that the first wave of refugees welcomed by America as an independent country were Haitian planters fleeing the Haitian revolution. The reading made it clear that they were being welcomed as fellow planters - but the nuance that was missed was that they were also fellow planters who had failed at planting in the Caribbean.

[@kenlandon6130]

Got a link?

[@williaminnes6635]

@@kenlandon6130 which I felt was unfair - history has always had a female personification

[@kenlandon6130]

@@williaminnes6635 wut

[@williaminnes6635]

@@kenlandon6130 seems like the site is smart enough not to fall for the old putting DOT in the place of . in the URL trick. Try searching "Saint-Domingue Refugees Nathalie Dessens Oxford Bibliographies" for a review of a book I was able to find on the subject - don't know if it is what I read, though

[@williaminnes6635]

@@kenlandon6130 yeah scratch that actually "The 1809 Immigration of Saint-Domingue Refugees to New Orleans: Reception, Integration and Impact Paul F. Lachance 1988 Louisiana Historical Society" if you have institutional access to JSTOR

[@markrussell4682]

My 23andMe report says I'm from The British Isles. My earliest ancestor to come to North America, in 1650, was Wllliam Richard Russell, younger brother of the Earl of Bedford, settled in Virginia.

[@talonyte9050]

Some say he was participating in Olympic racing the entire time

[@paulraines9635]

Well, if they're not a bunch of hill people they need to drop that rough and tumble mentality. What if the Southerners acted like island boys would be a good alternative timeline.

[@popNdawg]

What book was it and does it have an audio read along version?

[@kevinprzy4539]

a good part of the south was populated by southwestern English folk which was a direct influence on the American south accent.

[@The_Naughty_Kitten]

Irish and Scottish went Deep South - English was Northern

[@kevinprzy4539]

yes but it also depends on what part of England, a lot of Northern English folk also populated the south as well it wasn't just Irish, Scottish and Scot-Irish. Then you also have the Germans that populated and mixed with parts of the south.@@The_Naughty_Kitten

[@likehershorn]

Did he mention the title and author of the book? I think I missed it

[@seeingimages]

So, you were reading Albion's Seed, by David Hackett Fischer?

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Please make a version of this with maps and graphics sometime.

[@jtinalexandria]

Very strange... You cut out the part of the video where you say what island the people left to settle South Carolina.

[@hm5142]

I grew up in rural eastern Virginia. We were at the transition between the sandy coastal plain and the red clay of the piedmont. That areas was settled early (~1700) from the east, and the family names haven't changed, so it is largely English in background. I did the 23andMe DNA test, and I am 97% of English ancestry. The funny thing is that the folklore of the area says that we are Scots-Irish; the people don't want to be English for some reason, and want to associate themselves more with the second wave of immigration who came down the mountains to the west. Do you understand this as a cultural phenomenon? Do they want to separate themselves from the English who initially settled the northern colonies?

[@PlannedObsolescence]

I did an Ancestry DNA test that showed nearly no Eastern European, but the 23andMe test showed I was 11 percent Easter European, so I take those ethnicity DNA test results with a grain of salt.

[@Locksley108]

You realise that the "scots irish" are english, right? They were english and scottish settlers in ireland

[@Mirokuofnite]

Because Scots-Irish has a mystique about it and makes you seem to have been working class and not aristocratic English like the original settlers. That's the perception. Right up there with every other white person claiming to be 1/8th Cherokee on their mothers side. It gives them credence to claim to be more than a native son. The funny thing is that most of them have zero native in them and are more likely to have African in them. Claiming to be partial native was later seen as somewhat less shameful than being partial black.

[@Bronxguyanese]

Monsieur. I enjoy your channel. I did a dna test and my dad told my that our fore father's come from Scotland. Btw my family is from cooperative republic of guyana aka British guyana in the past. My dad's family before moving to British guyana was from Barbados and a hybrid of indentured Scottish and slave African population. Also in my my ancestry test I noticed I have alot of white southern relatives separated by 7 or 8 generations. I can trace my roots far back as corbin family from Scotland who was put in prison and sent to Barbados by Cromwell in the 17th century to be slave in Barbados.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Suggestion z: What if the assasin that nearly killed Franz Joseph succeed and his brother maximilian became Emperor?

[@labrynianrebel]

...and was made of chocolate

[@gabrielcoelho2346]

The emperor of mexico?

[@AdolphusOfBlood]

Have you figured out what the book was named? I badly want to read it

[@riverboar4854]

What is the title of the book for which you reference?

[@kevjackson3501]

Thanks for the video....what's the name of this book?

[@preacherchrischristian]

Our ancestors in Tennessee and Southwest Virginia most certainly did come from Britain plus France and Germany, directly. Welsh, English, Scottish, Irish and in My case, Manx. You are right about the split in Tennessee about leaving the Union. Secession failed in Tennessee, however the state declared independence after Lincoln announced his overland invasion.

[@Euro-GaNationalist-hv1on]

I have southern roots through my Belgian, French, and English ancestors who settled in Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina. My Dutch, German, and English ancestors had family who settled in Tennessee

[@carlosbucioborja]

What's the name of the book?... Interesting discussion.

[@decapolis01]

My family immigrated from Wales to South Carolina. They lived there for a long time then branched out to Kentucky, Tennessee and Alabama. They were share croppers and tenant farmers who farmed for the rich. My family did not own slaves and fought for the Confederacy. My family history doesn't follow this line of thought.

[@davehughesfarm7983]

I am southern sypathizer..But hell no one believes in slaves except these spook in DC that have us all as slaves.

[@sparkieT88]

Wait, so where did the come from. All I got out of this video is Virginia and South Carolina are different. But none of that info supports the title of the video

[@randallgregerson4761]

My sixth great grandfather migrated from Ulster Ireland to Pennsylvania. From there they moved to Virginia, and ultimately, my fifth great grandfather moved his family to South Carolina. There has always been a very strong Scots- Irish presence in South Carolina.

[@frenchempire9471]

You talking about *American Nations* ? I've read it myself Barbados is correct. English gentry in Barbados expanded to the continent to split their estates for their sons, which was instead just handed down to the eldest son on Barbados due to the whole "being an island" thing. Settlers in Virginia, in *American Nations* were dubbed the tidewater culture, due to a consolidated english gentry, whereas inland "upper south" was dominanted by the Greater Appalachian culture, and deep south by the, as named, Deep south.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Even before they left Britain for this middle man Colony the core of the early settlers of Caolrina came from Somerset, Dorset, Devon, Whitchire, the same subregion of England that Catlerock is based on in GOT. A region that many argue was linguistically Anlgisicsed but was perhaps overall still mostly Celtic in character, that's why that region is often important to Arthurian speculation. But I also wonder if this island your talking about might have been a Spanish Colony originally before the British took it?

[@greasher926]

Barbados wasn’t settled until the English arrived in 1625. That being said, I think one overlooked part of colonial history and the potential influence on the cultural split between north and south is the role the English Civil War/ Wars of the three kingdoms played. The puritans of the northern colonies sided with the parliamentarians while southern colonies such as Virginia, Bermuda and Barbados sided with the Royalists. While the parliamentarians were busy fighting the royalists in Scotland and Ireland, the southern and Caribbean colonies were pretty much left on their own in open rebellion. As a response England passed an act preventing any trade with these colonies and allowed privateers to attack any vessels that traded with them anyway. Because of this these colonies started to rely on the Dutch for trade, which kicked off the first Anglo-Dutch war. So because of these actions I wouldn’t be surprised if there was already was resentment between the northern and southern states during and after the English civil war.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

@@greasher926 Yep all that is true, and with it came a developing philosophy among the Southerners that was very Neofeudalists, these Chaviliers were fans of Don Qouxito who didn't get the title character is supposed to be laughed at not emulated.

[@greasher926]

@@Kuudere-Kun yep, and the Carolina colony was a restoration colony granted by King Charles II to his loyalists during the Stuart restoration. And the founders came from Barbados. The semifeudal constitution of Carolina was a reactionary response to the parliamentarians of the commonwealth of England to avoid the democracy of the masses.

[@mikesaunders4775]

Devon ,Dorset Wiltshire are not Celtic in character, there may be a few stone circles scattered around, but the population is West Saxon and the nonsensical identification with the non-existent King Arthur only arrived with the Norman conquest who brought a number of stories that had been doing the rounds in continental Europe and superimposed them on the lands where the Saxon King Alfred had flourished.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

@@mikesaunders4775 Thing is the genealogy of Alfred itself goes back to people with Celtic names, and those genealogies predate the Norman appropriation of Arthur.

[@jameswells554]

The new crops they could grow were: Rice, and Indigo due to the expanse of lowland marshes; the colonists from the Caribbean were part of the Trade Triangle running from England to West Africa to the Caribbean and American Colonies that was basically Slave Trading, Molasses/Rum and Tobacco. The Gullah (sp?) Community in South Carolina are the descendants of those slaves. There was also a significant French, and Spanish influence on the Culture of the Deep South as both had claims previous to English Colonization in those regions though mostly associated with the Gulf Coast region today.

[@anothercasualobserver8764]

Always glad to find a young person interested in history. Read Colin Woodward's American Nations then American Culture and finally Union. If you don't know where we've been, how do we know where we're going?

[@Zuckerpuppekopf]

There were still plenty of British immigrants in the southern colonies as well. Less homogeneity is not the same as a major difference. Louisiana however started out French, so there was a significant difference there. However, as soon as Louisiana was open for settling, it was more often than not the immigration was from the due east...from the Carolinas and Georgia rather than from the northeast. So as the south expanded, it expanded from other southern states already established.

[@TheFenecFox]

WHAT THE FUCK... I've been subscribed to you forever, but this is the first time I've seen your face... How did I miss it beforehand?!?!?!

[@Sassysouthernlady]

My ancestors are from England, Scotland, and Ireland. And I'm from NC. The family landed in VA, and moved a little further south over the centuries. How do I know? Genealogy.

[@ckself]

If you don't mind a long read, I recommend Albion's Seed.