Why Speedrunners Avoid Master Balls in Pokemon Emerald

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[@wavewarrior6948]

Great video! Emerald is my favorite game in the entire series to run due to how fast paced it is with the mach bike and the speedy battles, and the rng manipulations are extremely rewarding once you nail them down. Can’t wait to run this game again. If you’re interested in watching someone play Pokémon games with speed (which considering you’re watching this video, you probably are), you can catch me live at www.twitch.tv/WaveWarrior , and you can see VODs of my previous personal bests and records at www.youtube.com/@wavewarrior6948 .

[@PulseEffects]

Subscribe to this man! He's nearly partnered on Twitch! 🙏

[@TRKLol]

@@PulseEffects Alright :)

[@thephenomenalphantom8372]

The God himself. I watch your speedruns so I know what to do next in the story😅

[@aetherius6221]

I wish werster ran emerald more often

[@SuicidalBanana]

Nice profile picture! Made me do a double take.

[@eleviathan4621]

Little extra thing: a quick ball actually takes more time than the master ball. This is because quick balls weren't introduced until gen 4, a whole 2 years later. So if you wanted to use a quick ball, you'd be waiting for a while

[@obambagaming1467]

Really? I remember using them in Gen 3. But that was quite long ago, so it's probably a false memory.

[@the7569]

​@@obambagaming1467actually I think it's much more likely that they did in fact exist in Gen 3, but the entire world is simply building a conspiracy against you specifically to make you think that they never did. Why you ask? For the bit of course

[@obambagaming1467]

@@the7569 I probably just mixed them up with another ball from gen 2

[@quinnchillai2406]

@@obambagaming1467 Fast Ball I bet

[@cedgalvi]

i love seeing vee pfps randomly in the wild

[@IDM4Sunlights]

9:42 I'm pretty sure the actual reason Speedrunners don't use Quick balls in a Gen 3 game is because it appeared first in Gen 4 xD

[@PulseEffects]

Damn it. I knew I'd mix something we do in remakes with these games. 😫

[@Zackattackplayspokemon]

Is that really correct? I know for a fact timer balls are in emerald but idk about quick. That's bizarre they weren't at the same time if so

[@Firescizor]

@@Zackattackplayspokemon yes. It is really correct

[@AmberLB93]

@@Zackattackplayspokemon yeah the timer ball was gen 3 but its counterpart the quick ball was gen 4. the timer ball also got a huge buff in gen 7 so its catch rate increases much faster.

[@costby1105]

@@AmberLB93 Timer Balls got that buff in Gen 5

[@ch3rry833]

If you're wondering about the time loss of picking the Master Ball in Emerald, it's about 36 seconds

[@zentisu2078]

Bruh

[@ch3rry833]

@@zentisu2078 if you're running at even mid level, it is a free way to save 36 seconds, it is not a small amount

[@philippedreux7155]

@@ch3rry833 you could waste a lot of time missing catches though no ?

[@ch3rry833]

@@philippedreux7155 as said in the video too, you can manipulate the catch with a pokeball. It's also one of the first pokeballs they give to you

[@philippedreux7155]

@@ch3rry833 ok thank you, i started playing Pokémon in diamond and pearl, before that it was just the card, the anime and a bit of Pokémon on cousin’s game boy so i didnt know

[@SJrad]

Fitting that for kyogre they use a great ball which matches the color scheme

[@ugn154]

The Poke Ball matches Groudon too And the Ultra Ball matches Rayquaza only if its shiny.

[@icebrorottenmushroom1817]

​​@@ugn154 i think the friendball matches well with rayquaza

[@pentagonyx]

You did *not* just pronounce Kyogre “Kai-oh-gree”

[@mainnine]

This made me laugh too 😂

[@MDLuffy1234YT]

At least it's not Key-oh-guh-ree like in the official Gen 3 pokerap.

[@Firescizor]

I am really liking this channel nowadays for 95% sweet speedrunning content, and 5% the absolutely amazing butcherings of Pokémon pronunciations. I was starting to feel disappointed that everything was so well pronounced, until my ears caught that "KyogrEE" and everything in my world made sense again ❤️ it's like a Russian roulette wheel of mispronunciations! I can't wait to find out what's gonna be next!! On all seriousness though, amazing video. Keep up the good job!

[@Hidden_Fern]

The official Hoenn pokerap does it even worse, key-oh-gree and grew-done, they also forgot relicanth and zigzagoon. its a fun listen

[@obnoxiousthegod]

i hope u know it’s a on going meme right in the pokemon community

[@banana9494]

me and my brother always said kyogreee as a kid, and the first time i heard it pronounced right it sounded so bad. hearing kyogreee again was nostalgic lmao

[@mcgipple]

"Kyogre-ee"

[@BlazeStorm]

If you're interested in watching a full run of Sapphire, I recommend watching the AGDQ run from 2020 by Gunnermaniac. It's one of my favourite videos, they explain everything while going through it at an insane pace, and there's a ton of fun banter too!

[@TheAngriestReptileAlive]

I have used one master ball in the last couple of generations. I can remember, and it was just to match Miriadon to it’s color scheme and because it’s name letter is on the ball. Yes, I am very ball Bougie and I have been for years.

[@20ZZ20]

Catching legendaries used to feel so big and scary when I was a kid so I’d use a masterball but I dont even bother nowadays

[@Danblak08]

@@20ZZ20I got the second Miraidon in a normal pokeball

[@----xxx338]

So are you going to catch koraidon in a regular pokeball?

[@TimothyGod]

​@@20ZZ20when it was gen 5, not sure if this was when it got easy cause it didn't feel so, it took me so many resets. But x and y, specifically y, I threw one quick ball and caught the yveltal. Easiest shit ever

[@mariahs6]

This was a really fun video with a solid explanation! I knew before that Brendan’s team is easier to tackle than May’s, but I never knew about not using the Master Ball! This is really cool!

[@beaniebaby7725]

It also helps that Brendan literally talks less than her lol. She also had a longer tutorial.

[@flyingninjafish1558]

9:38 Why don’t they use ultra or quick balls? Simple, quick balls don’t exist in gen 3. If you’re playing a gen 3 GBA game and you find a Quick Ball, you’re in a rom hack and that run would be DQ’d 😂

[@bestaround3323]

Clearly you underestimate my skill

[@silver1407]

"The human eye can barely perceive 60FPS" BenQ: Am I a joke to you?

[@brodibeal7189]

Great video as usual... would love to see one on the early gens of the games... specifically the crystal manips

[@PulseEffects]

Next month I think I'll cover this. 👀

[@RandomChallengeGuy]

This is an amazing video, and really nice that you give creds to Amoeba as well for developping the manip strats. Really happy that it showed up on my recommended!

[@KnuteLund]

i never use my master ball

[@Smiles-Youtube]

Same would just use quick ball or dusk ball + resets to catch it pretty quickly

[@TWLSpark]

​@@Smiles-KZbin Neither of these exist in generation three, though, so probably just Ultra Balls instead (or Nets for Kyogre, I guess)

[@Grayson_Paris]

Same it’s too valuable

[@NoNameRei]

Same

[@Slenderquil]

My master ball is always saved for shiny gravelers and Electrodes

[@NorrisJonesYT]

Gotta love these newer channels hitting the algorithm. You and ackotac are killing it lately.

[@cazza710]

Pulse isnt new, you’re just new

[@NorrisJonesYT]

@@cazza710 up and coming may be the better phrase.

[@bezee]

@@NorrisJonesYT he’s been a speed runner on twitch for a long time. But I don’t follow him here on KZbin and he recently popped up in my algorithm too.

[@done-ahhh578]

In Sapphire as a kid I got to the top of the sky pillar to find I only had one ultra ball and nothing else. I threw it at Rayquaza who was still at full HP and it caught. First try. I have spent hours trying to couch Rayquaza in other games when it's HP is in the red lol

[@Chaosloki]

It's wild that pokemon speedruns have gotten to the point where there's someone running the game while using a metronome to time inputs in super tight frame windows.

[@WeWantBears]

I paid like an extra $8 for this game back then on Gameboy... Emerald had extra content indeed.

[@caolanochearnaigh9804]

I love May's facial expression in the thumbnail for this video. She's like, "Pshh, keep your Master Balls, I don't need that shit!"

[@Mr.Feather130]

And rayquaza’ expression is like,for me?

[@SebastianUlbricht]

Trails in the Sky Battle Theme in this Video is a Good music Choice :)

[@Relisoc]

ooh love the trails FC battle theme

[@WannabeMarysue]

these manips would be great for segmented speedrunning, but that's not often done any more.

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I'm guessing the answer is "Because it's a significant detour on what would otherwise be a straight shot through Team Aqua's base, and Emerald doesn't even have a mandatory Legendary fight during the campaign like Ruby and Sapphire".

[@LimeLoaf]

I like the thumbnail art of rayqauza just looking at may like "What the fuck"

[@playkawaii2104]

I really like this type of videos explaining speedrun strategies, thanks! 202!

[@RyansBeans]

I know the pokeball trick with raquaza seems crazy but i didnt want to use my masterball and used every other ball i had and what i had left was 3 Primere balls and ended up catching it! Super cool to do and i still got that guy to this day

[@seanydog]

the youngest protagonist is the sun moon protagonist and Red at 11, everyone is either 12-13 except gen 5 and 6 which are 14-16 we've never had a game protagonist aged 10 that's anime/ EU localiser error only

[@shadowrulezzz]

The sky pillar is only for rayquaza, not kyogre. Thats the cave of origins i believe

[@Giantspaz]

Trails in the Sky Sophisticated Fight, Nice choice for music.

[@wretchedpkmn]

Kyogerey

[@subcatboy]

please stop saying stuff like the human eye can barely see 60 fps its just weird misinformation

[@JoseFuentes-kf1nh]

“Your father who’s never home” That hit too close to home buddy

[@lisaruhm6681]

My guess before watching would be, that they try to get the instant catch, to save some seconds, or that there is a manipulation to do that.

[@dr4g00nk1d]

watching this for like a 2nd or 3rd time and looking at the time you can see people replayed the voice crack part a bit haha

[@mijkolsmith]

8:49 kyoGREE?!?

[@froggy20froggy20]

You’ll met characters like .. your dad who’s never home. Accurate but the best joke ever. I laughed to hard at that man

[@froggy20froggy20]

😂 ROFL

[@Qwerty10254]

I just noticed Central Factory music in the background. Beautiful!!

[@Slender_Man_186]

Meanwhile on a casual playthrough, I keep the masterball and dupe it at the battle tower, it makes getting all of the legendaries, Latios/Latias especially, a lot easier.

[@Rng3VM4g3]

How do you dupe it

[@TimothyGod]

​@@Rng3VM4g3at the battle tower in emerald, you need to drop a pokemon off in the PC, I use an empty box. You can do u to 5 pokemon, as you need the party slots. Once you have deposited your pokemon, save the game. But keep the game running. Then retrieve the pokemon you deposited, then go to the lady at the counter closet to the PC. Go through her dialogue and enter the singles with pokemon, once she asks you to save, turn of and on the game. Check the PC and boom dupes

[@guyman2481tog]

YOU ARE PRODUCING THE WORK OF SOMEBODY WITH 1 MIL SUBS SO UNDERATED

[@Metorrite]

i will never ever forget as younger kid i played sapphire, battled kyogre and just tossed a great ball at full health in anger because i forgot to buy ultra balls earlier. Somehow first encounter, full health, caught with the great ball! Its interesting to see how low my chances really were with all that RNG manipulations!

[@abarette_]

ayo the Sky Pillar Kyogre is crazy

[@WaltzeVT]

I just heard a Trails in the Sky OST 👀

[@Bwear04]

8:50 KYO WHAT NOW?!?!?👀

[@MegaKyle36]

Now I know where my dad went all those years ago. He went to work. But then he never left there

[@onlyflyguy]

Is no one gonna talk about how he used Trails in the Sky music? Y'all need to play Trails.

[@YoshiiElAttar]

Great video! I was so confused for most of it but everything clicked at the end.

[@lexbeukel9949]

Did he just say kyogerie 8:47

[@PiNkSuGaRx2Alicia]

great video love the documentation and information

[@GrahGruh]

8:40 kayogree 😭🙏

[@GePH96]

I once caught Lv. 70 Groudon with Pokeball first catch.. I then tried it again and never happened for a thousand times 😂

[@TheDeathmail]

Thank you, after watching this video, I can now pretend to understand everything you said...

[@OMFGWTFROFLMFAO1]

Can anyone tell me what is the background music starting at 2:30? Reminds me of Trails series soundtrack but it's really quiet and I cant't figure it out

[@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn]

I love the May thumbnail lol 😅

[@he_xhndr6333]

Bruh i catch all the legendary pokemon without the masterball. Now masterball sittin in PC wondering why it exists.

[@echelon1014]

"Your father who is never home"? Hey i call bs, he's actually at home after you beat the elite 4 in ruby sapphire

[@einjharrelraca]

i wonder why runners use shock wave instead of thunder. thunder becomes 100% accurate in rain, which kyogre sets up, and its not gen 5 where weather isnt permanent, so wouldn't thunder just be better shockwave in this situation? The only reason i can think of is maybe its a time loss to go to the lilycove store for it?

[@solarboyaaron4652]

Could also be how long the animations take Every little thing can save even just a nanosecond lol

[@einjharrelraca]

@@solarboyaaron4652 they dont have animations turned on in speedruns for sapphire. Atleast as far as im aware

[@johanericsson7309]

You have to beat your rival outside the Lilycove store to get the Thunder TM, which loses time compared to just settling for Shock Wave. Besides you'll be using surf and ice beam more anyway

[@einjharrelraca]

@johanericsson7309 if im not mistaken, or the rout has changed, im pretty sure they do that fight already anyways. Because thats where they do their final shop for x items and 3 of the special attack ev items.

[@kevinjurek1897]

What's the song at 7:11 Swear I've heard it before, but can't put my finger on it. Wanna say it's from Xenoblade Chronicles 1, but not sure

[@TimothyGod]

He's way to loud and doesn't stop talking during that, so I can't say for sure

[@capuchinosofia4771]

Its insane how timing your movement can lead to a change in stats and how good your catch rate is. Does this happen in more modern games too?

[@PulseEffects]

Kind of? It's a much harder system to break though, to the point where it's not super viable in a Speedrun setting.

[@lordjaraxxus5418]

so.... the 60flps was why it took me days to rng manipulate a shiny starter and near missing so many times.

[@michaelhernandez1841]

The fact that the master ball is skippable in emerald I wouldn't even go for it if I'm speed running

[@Math.Bandit]

It is required unless you can hit a 4-frame 120 FPS window.

[@Artenesama]

Pokemon speedrun is a rhythm heaven mini game

[@guy_th18]

Wish this explained more about the RNG. Why exactly would waiting affect RNG when it's not being called? Is the game constantly calling RNG even when unnecessary for some cursed reason?

[@AC-cw4sk]

can someone tell me the background song used at 7:10?

[@RandomVids0987]

Kai-oh-gree....? The hell is that?

[@Tekape]

I wonder what Nintendo thinks abot ACE especially in OoT

[@cinderblockgamingweresolid5731]

You gotta put up a graphic for which game your playing. Its too hard to follow

[@PulseEffects]

You can tell based off the clothes May is wearing. Green/Orange = Emerald, Red = Sapphire.

[@jackwoody270]

this man pronounces it key-oh-gree

[@wyatttheskid]

9:50 heheh xenoblade music :3

[@TimothyGod]

Doesn't sound like it to me

[@wyatttheskid]

@@TimothyGod it is

[@TimothyGod]

@@wyatttheskid I can barely tell since he's so loud and barely stops talking

[@sxperpotion]

binging pulse effects because

[@flamerevert4820]

I can't believe you aren't popular

[@N12015]

I think that's because he doesn't know how to say names.

[@dermitdemflow7171]

Holy shit Trails music???

[@TheHermitZ]

Am I hearing trails music?? you’ve gained my respect

[@isabellethefool7817]

Hey man enjoying the video si far but what's the song at 2 minutes 20 seconds in its driving me crazy I know that song but I forgot the name

[@PulseEffects]

Trails In The Sky Battle Theme!

[@AwkwardGMCorbin]

Why do speed runs include battle animations on?

[@PulseEffects]

They don't?

[@AwkwardGMCorbin]

@@PulseEffects 5:05 you mention the mudslap animation effects. Without battle animations is there a difference between the timing of the mudslap and watergun animations?

[@PulseEffects]

@@AwkwardGMCorbin Yes! Moves that lower stats always have some form of animation in Gen 3 even if you turn off the animations.

[@AwkwardGMCorbin]

@@PulseEffects thank you! That makes sense!

[@nothanks6988]

3:28 angry PC gamers enter chat

[@RandomMusik]

2:14 what you didn't mention, and that's my favourite sexist gen 3 things, the Girl talks more, so you have to click more textboxes away

[@MsLoveandjustice]

Wow wave warrior is 🔥

[@AC-cw4sk]

song at 10:06?

[@AXIS_MODEL_01427]

Heyyyyyyyyy, Wii U rainbow road music 😊

[@tysondennis1016]

I can’t speedrun, I always play safe due to bad RNG.

[@Astrology_Pant]

Which has what fps exactly?

[@sirvaniss]

Why do people say "Rayquayza"

[@Siennamerdein]

Becoz getting master ball = 3 bomb exploding in your face hahaha

[@jeangarcia6432]

Speedrun as in just beating storyline or speedrun as in beating the game? Speedrunners to pokemon am i a joke to you

[@tatelang6155]

2:13 Why does picking the girl make it faster?

[@James-vc1kc]

I cannot believe you pronounced rayquaza in two different ways throughout the video. (I couldn’t care less. If anyone is mad about it, comments are good for the KZbin algorithm.)

[@SmartStormgaming]

Only use master balls if it is a last resort

[@adrianwoodruff1885]

I don't need to watch the video to know why. You are never forced to encounter a Legendary. Even the Green Dragon itself is an optional fight.

[@PulseEffects]

That's not why lol. Green Dragon is still faster even if it'd optional.

[@SargeWolf010]

I prefer to use Masterball on Kyorge/Groundon [Don't have emerald] and prefer not use bugs/exploits...

[@ashmander3465]

Great video

[@Perrocko]

im not a speed runer ... i played emerald for several years now even on different save files and build ups.. but this is insane

[@KipsPixels]

I did that once catching Rayquaza with pokeball on full hp

[@ultimapower6950]

But what about Ruby?

[@donovan0937]

Can you do this in Pokémon Fire Red?

[@PulseEffects]

Soon 👀

[@darsh845]

Nice video

[@melonusk6120]

same, i just use cheat tbh save more time

[@PulseEffects]

Hahaha valid

[@lexruptor]

Id argue you have no choice, a speedrun is speed beating the game, I'd argue until you do and catch it all, you haven't beaten the game, just the main story. For Emerald this means beating the Battle Frontier too. That means imo none of this is actually a speedrun, just a set of story skips.

[@rei.]

i thought runners picked the female MC because Brendan actually has less dialogue characters than May