Why Tartaglia's Redemption Doesn't Exist : A Deeper Dive [Genshin Impact Character Study #1]

[@ChillwithAster]

i really like tartaglia, ty.

[@lycoriix]

i wholeheartedly second this.

[@mooniixa]

same

[@herzz-e]

Samee

[@midas7332]

Same, his character is fun but something about his playstyle just doesn't do it for me. Probably the cooldown

[@mattmark94]

Nice pfp. You will be now known as Araster.

[@FrenchYeast]

Childe is such a creative way to make an "evil" character join our team without them going all uwu. He's not exactly a bad person, but not exactly a good person, he's just unhinged in his own silly way and I love him.

[@dominicjannazo7144]

Childe is an antagonist by orders, not by personality. Trying to destroy a city was literally nothing personal to him. He's expressed an open desire to fight his own allies, so it's hard to see him being morally opposed to anything the player does.

[@Disorder2312]

Yes, this is so clear to me, but somehow people misunderstand.

[@Nokyyyyy]

And he loves you too, random player !

[@natalienatz1903]

wdym "without going all uwu" he's literally JUST uwu material now 😭

[@FrenchYeast]

@@natalienatz1903 His goal is to confront you, the Traveler, and eventually beat you and kill you once he is powerful enough (when you get him in your team), that's enough non-uwu for me compared to a "yes, I'm nice now, being bad sucks, traveler is my best buddy I will always protect them" (which he kinda does, but once again, because he does not want the Traveler to die before he gets to be the one to kill him at the end lmao)

[@rayq4235]

Honestly, tartaglia doesnt need a redemption, imo what he needs is a chracter exploration for him as an individual and what makes him as who he is and i think thats more interesting than a redemption because i think childe got something more in him and hes pretty self aware about Himself Edit:man it seems like many people agree with me about tartaglia as a character, i wish many people in the community didn't just labeled him as a mindless psychopaths who tried to drowned lyue because its such deservice for his chracter, because he got demension and well written self aware magnificent bastard of an antagonist,not a poorly written villain,wich many people always use as an excuse to call him a bad chracter

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Why? I think it's pretty obvious, or at least it's explained well in background lore. Perhaps that could have been the focus of his story quest, instead of all that family guff, okay fair enough, I guess that makes sense.

[@acardoza1234]

Yeah I would love to know more about his training in the abyss and his time spent with Skirk. Lots of interesting backstory still available to be explored.

[@khrow83]

I think his story quest already gave us a hint at that. I know it wasn't stated out right, however I do feel it was strongly implied that part of why he is so "hungry for power" is to protect his siblings. In the same way that an older sibling in a home with no parents, that older sibling takes on the darkest parts of the world and is willing to make a deal with the devil itself if it means keeping their family together and safe. I don't think Tartaglia was threatened into joining the fatui but rather was promised protection and livelihood for his siblings if he joined, as well as promised the chance to get stronger to protect them on his own. It was an offer that he couldn't refuse. So for him being a harbinger is just a means to an end, that end being protecting and taking care of his siblings and making him strong enough so that if the fatui ever fall he can continue to protect and take care of them even on his own. I don't believe his motives are as cut and dry as a character like "Goku"

[@rayq4235]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks i just wanna see more of childe :/

[@schopenhauer5427]

True, he needs a death instead

[@yunqb1519]

I think another reason why it isn't even possible for Tartaglia to be redeemed is that, unlike many other characters we encounter, he is unapologetically a human. He wasn't born with divinity or special powers, rather he is where he is now due to unfortunate circumstances which also shaped his ambitions and beliefs. In a fight between gods, demons and anything alike he is just human with powers granted to him which are also slowly eating away at him. I think the fact that he is twisted in such a way where we can't really predict his next move is more proof of his humanity than anything else.

[@TheTTTtv]

I hardly think he's human to be honest.

[@yunqb1519]

@McDonald's zhongli I’m Childe’s story quest if did harm him tho. He was exhausted because he used it too much and we don’t know what other effects it might have

[@rezichu]

@McDonald's zhongli But the foul legacy form uses his delusion aswell

[@xdsmile5359]

Darn tortellini is very strong 💪

[@lazyvoid7107]

Found a jeffrey dahmer fanboy

[@mariapazgonzalezlesme]

I agree with this. A thing that people tends to _misunderstand_ about Redemption Arcs is not asking about forgiveness from others nor show a new good side. Redemption Arcs is about releazing that oneself's actions were wrong, toxic and hurting their life, and choose to STOP doing such things, and seek a new path, turning into a new life --- which doesn't mean turning a good guy/hero. It's about changing and envolving. That's why Tartaglia doesn't need a redemption arc, he is warrior at heart and seeking strong opponents to fight. His ideals may disagree with his fellow Harbingers, and possible leave the organization because three mains reasons; 1) Put his family in danger, 2) The Fatui is using his family as a leash, 3) The whole building a New World is something way bigger than himself.

[@kathycoleman4648]

A redemption arc requires the character who has transgressed to realize their inherent 'sin' within the context of the narrative. Tartaglia has pointed out things he doesn't necessarily like about the expectations placed on him as a Harbinger. He did not inherently enjoy the potential risk to common people from summoning Osial, for instance. Yet he still did as commanded, because his opinion of the Tsaritsa and his loyalty to her weighed heavier to him than any regret or hesitation about that choice. Tartaglia has younger siblings and parents. He knows and values family. Yet it was not merely "Do you wanna kill some babies?" (to the tune of "Do you wanna build a snowman". Sorry!) Rather, it was a question of "Which is of more importance: the glory of Snezhnaya and the will of the Tsaritsa, or the danger this places on the people of Liyue?". Tartaglia is neither a neutral party like the Traveler, nor a citizen of Liyue. For him, the choice was obvious.

[@ehe5669]

bruh why do people keep saying his family was hostage that's why he's so loyal to tsaritza and fatui when it wasn't the case. he even want to challenge the "harbringers" "take over the world" "fight to death with traveler after" "liyue arc as his stepping stone to conquering the world-thanks to tsaritza for opportunity" this all is in his voice lines and character story. his family as motivation has always been secondary

[@xdsmile5359]

Loyalty is powerful ,but even that noble ideal can pit one in troubling and un ideal situations.

[@lemonbunny71]

@@ehe5669 You should re-read OP's comment. Childe's family could indeed become a reason why he decides to part with the Fatui eventually (or not). Considering Pulcinella is rather close to Childe's family there is this underlying threat that *if* Childe ever decides to leave the Fatui for whatever reason, things could backfire.

[@braken63]

@@ehe5669 it's fucking obvious Pulcinella will use the family against Childe

[@Sanlyyn]

Childe Tartaglia is a chaotic neutral character, he even said that he joined the Fatui only to get stronger. He said that he's only loyal to the Tsaritsa but also said that he wants to be stronger than the Archons themselves. Nevertheless, he's not absolutely evil, I mean he's still very kind and helpful overall and he wants the best for his family. He doesn't need a Redemption Arc because he's not "evil" to begin with, at least not Scaramouche level of evil x)

[@Sanlyyn]

I will add that Chaotic Neutral characters are basically Pirates : They are not fully evil but they still want them treasures ^^

[@dustytoyknife2343]

@@Sanlyyn pirates aren't neutral tho...

[@azurehua]

@@dustytoyknife2343 who says they cant be

[@dustytoyknife2343]

@@azurehua the Marine

[@kathycoleman4648]

People use the word evil too carelessly. Evil often just means 'they didn't do what I wanted' or 'they didn't do what I would have'. We also have an eagerness to suggest that doing something bad taints every other action one takes at any point in life, or at least invalidates it, which is also false.

[@FluffyWaffle33]

Finally someone said it, indeed, our dear tortelini never asked for redemption, he's consistent every single time he appears, to have a character be so unapologetic and so straightfoward about his own character is just so incredibly charismatic and interesting. As a character, Tartaglia really would not be the same with a redemption arc, at least not currently, he's like the magnificent bastard trope, a antagonist with their own ideals that can very much become allies with the protagonists. I love this ginger man

[@LoisyAbigail]

THANK YOU ASTER. I am sick of arguing with people calling Tortellini's story a narrative failure at redemption. Because it seriously isn't about redemption at all.

[@kathycoleman4648]

Exactly! In fiction, redemption generally means re-alignment with the morality of the protagonist or the morality of the assumed reader. Tartaglia falls under neither of these things, yet shows himself to be capable of bone chilling ruthlessness or deep love and compassion on HIS terms. He's extremely human, as opposed to humane.

[@lazyvoid7107]

Nah Destiny did it better

[@nhaan4178]

Childe never asks for redemption Me who fight Signora every single week: I see what you have done

[@doriangreg1601]

I also like how he doesn't treat his otherwise tragic backstory as one at all; thus making it more tragic imo. He was a weak kid until he fell into the abyss, but to come out of it as a totally different power hungry person is even scarier. He had to enjoy fighting if he wanted a chance at survival, and that was exactly what he did. Now that he's free, the challenge of the abyss is something he cannot get back so now he can only revel in the dangers of being a fatui harbinger. If ever another snezhnayan version of enka comes, I really hope the entrance is the same place Ajax fell into. It would also be really nice if he were to go with us, finally confide again in the abyss that made him!

[@ToscaTee]

Dear lord please make that happen

[@dadian803]

Ajax being weak then growing as the biggest menace reminded me of Otto Apocalypse

[@ErgeYT]

Hopefully future playable harbingers won't always be "redeemed". That would just make the story predictable since we would always assume that if they're playable, then they must be "good"

[@bhanksshuggy5158]

This is what scares me atm, not every single character should be redeemed just because it's a power of friendship type story, we need some real evil people too. Dottore is my hope.

[@ErgeYT]

@@bhanksshuggy5158 my prediction is since Dottore has clones, then he gets a free pass of not being "redeemed" cuz Hoyo could just do a similar Raiden situation: "here's his good playable clone"

[@rayq4235]

@@bhanksshuggy5158 i ve thought about this for awhile where instead of a chracter growing to get close to traveler when you upgrade them they either grew respect or antagonize you more as a person

[@freemelons1706]

the problem is with just a simple look at the genshin fandom, Childe himself is already very much hated because he's a fatui harbinger. Most of the Fatui harbingers are hated (besides some females apparently because waifu ig) and it shows that people just hate villains or morally grey and even the slightest antagonistic character and that's great, because villains are meant to be hated, but bad for playability because these characters are still also products that hoyo are trying to sell, and hoyo can't sell something that people don't like.

[@danialyousaf6456]

@@freemelons1706 have you forgotten about the midget king ? He's got an army of simps despite being a little shit.

[@butterflydisater]

Tartaglia doesn't need a redemption arc. He is a complex character and we need more of that. He is aware he is a pawn and willingly fights for his tsaritiza and for his family. I don't think he will turn on her unless his family is threatened.

[@exkayjay8751]

I don't just think Childe doesn't need a redemption, I think he shouldn't get one. He's perfect in the role he currently has, and I think him getting a redemption would undermine everything we know and love about him. He's fully resolved to fight for the Tsaritsa until his dying breath, and to go back on that would be very disappointing, at least for me

[@silverhawkscape2677]

He's not much like villain compared to the other Harbingers. He's loyal soldier following orders with nothing Personal attached to it. There's a reason he's the only Harbinger to appear in other events with other characters. He holds no initial malice to others. He's there for a fight. That's why him being with Xinyan and now Yoimiya works and in character. So long as they don't get in the way of orders.

[@exkayjay8751]

@@silverhawkscape2677 yeah that's what I love about Childe, unless he has designated you as his enemy, he's a perfectly reasonable dude with a great personality who you can get along with

[@ToscaTee]

Besides the Tsaritsa and his own ambition, Childe is also extremely loyal to his family. I don’t know if Genshin will make all 3 intersect for a future conflict but i feel like if things go south Childe would choose his family above all else imo

[@nathanc5108]

To be honest I find him a very interesting character he's unapologetically an enemy to the nations but like you said he's far more honorable than the other harbingers and seeing his desire to protect his family makes him surprisingly relatable

[@dove6686]

He doesn't need a redemption arc, he's perfect as he is

[@SCP-1762-BOL]

Ah yes, the murder hobo

[@DecemberHeath]

@@SCP-1762-BOL 🤣

[@dove6686]

@@SCP-1762-BOL The moment he called me girlie I was sold tbh

[@idkhithere6860]

@@dove6686 you're down bad. can't blame you cause so am I xd

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

If anything it's Traveler that needs addressing, the way they react to Tartaglia is too soft and wishy-washy. They lacks the further that they had against Signora.

[@AnArtistInAVoid]

Instead of a redemption, I want Hoyoverse to give Tartaglia a rematch later in the story. Imagine how cool it’d be for the rivalry between The Traveler and Tartaglia coming to a conclusion in an awesome duel between the eleventh harbinger who’s gotten stronger since the duel between the two in Liyue and the traveler who’s gone through the world and learned it’s secrets and mastered the elements.

[@danialyousaf6456]

Most likely we'll see it in snezhnaya.

[@sinistor3727]

I want to see Childe wielding 6 delusions (and one hydro vision) as a counter to ours elemental power manipulation and when Traveler ask him out of concern he be like "If it's just to make me become the strongest I could ever be in my life at this moment then it's worth it" "I would rather die from this power I have rather than wasting the remaining of my life regretting that I didn't go all out against you."

[@quietguyjosh4643]

@@sinistor3727 i see this or something similar as how his story ends

[@snuifduif362]

Well that opportunity would be quite hard to come by

[@AnArtistInAVoid]

@@snuifduif362 well then, it’d amuse me

[@anaplaysstuff]

He even admits he's a "bad guy" when we first meet him. It's just that at that point in time he didn't want to fight us. If he had met us under different circumstances, we might have started out as antagonists straight off instead of not entirely trusting allies. I agree that he doesn't need or want a redemption arc since as far as he's concerned at present (and for the foreseeable future?) he's done nothing to warrant it. His ideals regarding strength and his loyalty to the Tsaritsa and her supposed higher calling all take precedence over anything "bad" he might do in service of those things. It's interesting that he is self aware enough to realize they're "bad" things that he wants to keep it from Teucer though, even if it's in service to some "higher calling". It's also interesting since one can assume that the rest of Childe's family is fully aware of what his status is as a Harbinger but they also play along with him in letting Teucer believe he's something else.

[@CritsVG]

I'm so glad that Hoyo chose to release Childe in the form that we met him in instead of changing his character into a purely good guy in some way.

[@sumyguck8094]

Same thats why personally Ei makes me uncomfortable & I'm scared for Scara "redemption". Stop forcing reasons onto me to like a character so you can make them playable. They can be interesting & unapologetic and still likeable or playable, I don't need to pity them, I don't want to. Ei: Tries to kill us then: its cz my sister & friends died (archon & her story quest shoulda been more intertwined if they were going in that direction tbh) then theres Scara: Tries to kill us then: We peek into his sad memories(even though you know from artifact set if you've read b4hand) what the heck Hoyo?!?! I want to respect the kind of character they are and want to be. I love the concreteness that Childe is both my enemy & comrade, a harbinger & brother, ruthless & kind, that's what makes him Childe xx

[@CritsVG]

@@sumyguck8094 Agreed, characters really don't need to be 100% likeable

[@silverhawkscape2677]

​@@sumyguck8094 Sorry. I love the Disaster Archon that is Ei. Love Girlboss and girlfailure at once.

[@Aurirang]

@@sumyguck8094 Childe is a walking oxymoron and we all love him for this. :D I really hope Hoyo won't change that aspect of him. He's the type to murder a few dozen enemies in a complete bloodbath because he can and then go give a few kids a pep talk the next minute to make them happy.

[@IcarusFluffle]

Deeper dive on Hu Tao next! She often gets misrepresented by her personality and her line of work and most people forget how respectful she actually is when doing her job. She just sees death diffently by how she grew up in this world and doesn't understand why people are so scared of death

[@tumbleweeb9079]

I've had this theory for a while. I think something could happen where Tartaglia will be forced to make a choice. It's clear The Mayor is 'providing' for his siblings, and might use them as fodder. Tartaglia might have no choice but to stay out of desperation or defect, asking the Traveler for help. Just something I thought of after the Harbinger trailer came out.

[@VESM4121]

But what about the oposite? Tartaglia, being loyal to the Tzaritsa, will go against us and The rooster shows the family card to make him stop. Thas is if the mayor is with the rebels (if i remember correctly) that helped diluc in sneznaya.

[@eloisesharkey7781]

Ahh we had the same idea! I have thought it very unsure that Pulcinella would take up looking after Tartaglia's family - more so actually going lengths to spoil his siblings instead of the bare minimum - without there being some underlying reason why. Although we don't know much about how the other harbingers were conscripted, we know that Tartaglia's was almost like an act of pushing away a troubled child, and he was made to enlist regardless of whether he wanted to or not. He seemed like a really volatile kid and Pulcinella, possibly with the worry of Tartaglia leaving the Fatui to do his own thing, gave him the offer of protecting his family so he would ultimately be trapped in harbingership and not want to leave knowing someone reliable is looking out for his family. Wanderer's voicelines kind of confirmed this, saying "Only someone as dense as Childe would think The Rooster is looking after him and his family out of the goodness of his heart", and claims that Pulcinella looking after Tartaglia's family means "your entire family is in my hands". I also have a feeling Tartaglia is in some way intimidated by the harbingers. He seems to talk about some of them in his voicelines with a lot of skepticism, and in his character stories (not sure which) he talks about being entirely loyal to the Tsaritsa, but not agreeing or feeling conflicted with some of the other harbingers’ more sadistic methods. We know he is really only a harbinger for the opportunity to fight, move around and grow stronger, but I highly doubt he enjoys being one.

[@gloop7458]

It's really nice to see Tartaglia in a context where he isn't being mischaracterized. This fandom has a general problem with, well, to be blunt, literacy, and to see someone actually just understand what has been put in front of us is so refreshing

[@lost_spacebunny2769]

I think Hoyo giving Childe a redemption arc would genuinely be a bad idea. I mean, let's talk about how much it would completely butcher his character and defeat the entire purpose of his character to begin with. And yes, I agree- Childe caring for his family was already there before. Therefore, I don't think it should have been taken and interpreted as his "redeeming quality" because he has none. If anything, he's more like Ayato than like Raiden; they both care about their families a lot (more specifically, their siblings) and serving their nations for the sake of their archon, as well as their very questionable morals.

[@figloalds]

I think it's amusing that Tartaglia is very loyal to the Tsaritsa and even considers himself more loyal than the other harbingers I think Tartaglia is a central piece in a plot that is brewing where the Fatui betray the Tsaritsa and Tartaglia remains loyal to her

[@albanemathez3058]

Hydro is for me the element of duality and temperance. They are often character balancing between multiple aspects of their life but whould never sacrifice one for the other. Childe is no exception. He is still the little boy that fall in the abyss and had to realise how weak he was wich motivated him to seek strenght at all cost. He is still seaching to suvive the abyss. But at the same time he is also the innocent boy that was raised in a big and loving familly. He knew that he can't return to this but he will never want for his sibling to abandone that

[@melissal.f.7970]

THANK YOU! I honestly never understand when people said they didn't like his redemption arc or something similar because I didn't remember he ever had one. I always saw his story quest as showing another part of him, like he isn't a total villain and neither a good guy.

[@KaiSaeren]

He is a total villain, just not always openly antagonistic, however he will attack the Traveler at the drop of the hat if ordered or if he simply decides that now is a good time to have that fight again. He cares for his family, as one assumes most people do but that doesnt make his actions any less evil or villanous they are both aspects of him, but the "good" points of his do not serve to offset the evil he does.

[@Sakuyamon]

Childe is a slow burn character, he will be involved for the long haul so he cant be redeemed too early. He will most likely be one of the main charas in Schneznaya, so thats where most development will happen. Untill then, we get to enjoy seeing him get tricked into playing with kids XD

[@Sakuyamon]

@@killudenza I do think he need a type of redeemtion but perhaps a different type of one. The way he is always hunting to get stronger... is going to lead him to self destruction. Even if he do become strongest, what then? Whom did he have to trample on for that? Was it worth it? At what cost will it be too much for him to bear? Somewhere along the way he will need to face what he is doing.

[@Sakuyamon]

@@killudenza never said it would make him less complex. If anything, it would add complexity. Both media and society promotes and idolises dream chasing, but dont touch much on what happens when you fail or actually succeed to achieve your dream. Often, the dream isnt as fufilling as the chase itself, but its still a story worth telling.

[@mythogenesis4788]

I don’t imagine he will ever get a redemption, but a reconciliation is possible. A meshing of his love, kindness, and his manic bloodlust. He may redirect these urges in a way more “heroic” as all out war between the major factions (Fatui, Celestia, the Abyss, the Abyss Order, and the Archons/humanity) draws near (as he has been shown to want). He wants to be good and heroic- which may be why he admires the traveler so much. They both are insanely powerful and fairly neurotic in their approach to getting what they want, but the traveler directs their energies in constructive methods rather than destructive- and they do so entirely of their own volition, not as a pawn (mostly).

[@Blaze_Raven]

In my opinion, Tartaglia is a narrative mirror to the Abyssal Sibling. Both (probably) care for family and are fiercely loyal to their nations the point where they pose a threat to Teyvat. Even their titles are similar since Childe refers to a nobleman's son and the Abyssal Prince/Princess refers to a king's son/daughter. As such, I believe that Tartaglia will be used to help the Traveller understand their sibling's motivations (since the Abyssal Sibling gets like zero screen time) and how to refute it. Tartaglia and the Abyssal Twin may also have opposite fates (i.e. one will be saved and one will sacrifice themselves to save the Traveller) since their stories need to diverge at a critical junction due to the Traveller's actions. I also think that while the Tsariza will offer the Traveller the option to join the Fatui against Celestia, the Traveller will refuse the offer. This is because the narratively sensible option would be for the Traveller to pick a "third option" which will only be revealed to the Traveller after they struggle picking between the choices that they have been previously presented with (which are always non ideal solutions).

[@nightlight2499]

I love how you analyze characters in genshin, I feel like so many people overlook the characters’ personality and only analyze their gameplay. The characters’ personalities are so nuanced and deserve more attention

[@LeeraChan]

I love Tartaglia so much. He is so interesting as a character but also the fact that currently he just goes " Hiiii traveler 😊 what a coincidence to see you here! doing well? oh that's great. Yeah, I'm still doing my work, just like always. Getting stronger, you know the drill. Was nice seeing you again, byeeee 😚" everytime he sees us while we are skeptical about him is the funniest thing in the game lmao. The duality of a broken bloodthirsty maniac and a loving family man who believes deeply in his archon and her plans is just fantastic.

[@lazyvoid7107]

jeffrey dahmer fanboy right here

[@LeeraChan]

@@lazyvoid7107 eww wtf is wrong with you

[@peachcloudx1672]

honestly, within the fandom, tartaglia is one of the most mischaracterized characters in genshin impact. a lot of people tend to see him in parts rather than a whole. and just showcase him as either a family forward big brother type or a sadistic battle maniac. but that duality is part of what makes his character so engaging to me! (and many others as well). I don't think tartaglia needs a redemtion arc either, I hope he remains an antagonist and we get a possible rematch with him somewhere down the line!

[@navap.6799]

One of the things I noticed while replaying the Liyue quest is that Tartaglia didn’t *want* to do what he did. He tried to get the gnosis in the less conspicuous way, and only when that failed did he decide to release Osial. The thing is,that when he does that, he says how he doesn’t enjoy hurting the weak- but his goal, as a Fatui harbinger, was to get the gnosis no matter what. That’s also why he was so upset to find out Zhongli AND Signora kept him in the dark for so long. Because he could take the hit of his reputation to further his goals, out of loyalty to the Tsaritsa. But knowing that what he did was utterly and completely pointless… it left him bitter. And with nothing to his name anymore in all of Liyue. I’m not saying that releasing Osial is misunderstood. He knew what he was doing. But what people don’t understand is that other characters, like Zhongli, had quite a part in this too. Childe never would have done what he did if Zhongli and Signora were upfront with him the whole time. Because his ideal, as a Fatui harbinger, is to be as loyal as possible to the Tsaritsa. Everything else comes afterward. And this same loyalty applies to his family too. He represents a different kind of loyalty. A kind of “ride or die” loyalty, that is willing to do even the most drastic things to help the people he cares about, and is loyal to. His story quest only further proves it. So my conclusion? He shouldn’t get redemption, but just deserves more credit. As you said at the start of the video, he’s a morally grey character- so it’s important to acknowledge the whole picture when it comes to him.

[@KitKat-sv9qp]

this is why i genuinely was puzzled with people getting upset at the fact the traveler was about to tell the children and yoimiya that Childe was a Harbinger in the most recent photograph event. Even if Childe is good with children, that doesn't erase the fact he's one of the leaders of the fatui, he's still super dangerous and people deserve to be made aware of that 😭

[@ikuro.lumpia]

Exactly! 😭 Yoimiya is such a sweetheart and I believe she sees the good in things but she just met him on good and friendly terms. Traveler, on the other hand, has been involved in a lot of Fatui schemes, ofc, they would be wary of him. No, traveler did not insinuate that Childe will hurt the children (as most people believed), it's more like having a fatui in Inazuma is not really a good omen. They just don't want Yoimiya to get involved any further because they know they're dangerous.

[@thomasraines1396]

People are crazy that’s why.

[@knightjj2891]

I think Tartaglia and traveler are friends, but at the same time they know that their goals or methods can be still very different so there is possibility that they will be again enemies, so they are wary of each other but not really bad blood between them

[@athenatennousu4716]

Exactly why he's my favorite character. He's supposedly a morally gray character and acts like one. Most importantly, he's straightforward character, no bullshit. He acts like a Fatui Harbinger when he needs to be, and acts like himself when he can. That's a complex, perfectly balanced duality of a character right there. He doesn't need any redemption, his character is perfect as it is. I'm hoping scaramouche will be similar. It's not that he suddenly change his ways and becomes good, its just that he moves on. I hope it'll just be him, leaving Fatui, and continue moving on with his life. I don't think he needs redemption. Scaramouche's personality is similar to Tartaglia in a way, they both never asks for forgiveness from anyone. They do whatever they need/want to do for themselves. They're unhinged and selfish, but it's the exact reason why they're both interesting. Now Ei on the other hand... Idk, she felt like a failed morally gray character. *warning I'm gonna rant, so skip if you don't want to read/uninterested* Ei was teased to be another unhinged, morally gray character. But then it turns out she's like an innocent young girl who got hit with trauma. The actual morally gray character ended up being Raiden, her puppet. Ei herself isn't. She's too good at heart to be one, she's too human despite being an archon. Oddly enough, this ruins her character for me. Nahida on the other hand, works perfectly. Bcs Ei shunned herself from the world, she just became ignorant. Her people died out of civil war, yet she claims she don't know anything and barely cares? Sure, she "supposedly" got redemption arc in the 2nd quest but, the fact that everyone welcomes her back lovingly as if nothing happened is disturbing. Traveler confronts her with Yae but, traveler themselves never have any hostility towards her. Not even 1 Inazuman person confronts her about the war. For some reason, everyone's behaviour becomes unrealistic when it comes to her? The only realistic character is only Yae. She called her out on her bullshit. Calling her a child throwing tantrum. Ei, traveler, and Inazuma people were too nice to each other, given their circumstances. It's nothing like the interaction between Traveler, Childe and Scaramouche. Traveler literally participated in the war, helping the resistance. Yet she's not wary of Ei, despite Raiden trying to kill her multiple times, experiencing the war, and knowing Kazuha's story. How does that make any sense. Yes, Raiden may be automated, but Ei knows what Raiden was doing to traveler. Traveler's behaviour was just odd. It's like the writers gave up and just make them simp for Ei regardless. It was a shame

[@akarifuyuki9763]

I agree with you about Ei. When I played her 1st story, I thought, "Why do you accept her easily? Traveler? Inazuman??" Many people say what Ei did isn't a bad thing. Inazuma accepted her Decree. It was Fatui who things complicated. Only few vision holders got their visions consficated. Only resistance who died in war and it's their own fault. I was like "Only few vision holders? Aren't they Inazuman too? They lost their ambition, their memories, their life! Even Yae needs to call her out." Ei is aware of fatui's involvement. If she doesn't know how deep the damage they caused, she fails as a leader. If she knows but let them be, she's bad leader.

[@ChazNatlo]

Childe has a warriors mentality regarding friendship. Opposition is just a clash of ideals or objectives, rather than a matter of like or dislike. he can think you're a swell person and fight you to the death, and he can work with people he hates. As for whether he'll side with us against the Fatui, I think the Fatui are going to fracture, letting us side both with and against the Fatui. Probably something to do with pro tsaritsa Fatui and pro usurper Fatui.

[@terra1829]

Then now he shows up in Inazuma out of the blue and theres Yoimiya who judges Tartaglia not for his past, but sees his present self. I think theres something they are hinting ,Tartaglia was just being himself when he saved the children in Inazuma, he never hid his past or his name from them. The one true line is he is transparent with us (the traveler), not necessarily a 100% with Teucer, or Xinyan.

[@ChainedThoughts]

Although I agree that my boi don't need no redemption, I would like to add a few things. He doesn't need to redeem himself because it wasn't originally his first plan anyway. Summoning Osial was his last resort and he even told us that he'd rather not do it but because he was ordered by the Tsaritsa, he went with it anyway. Tartaglia actually felt extreme remorse for it since he had never wanted to involve innocent lives. It's unfair that the Traveller treated him with hostile yet was instantly best friends with Zhongli who planned everything and Ei who did worst things. Yes, Ei had a redemption arc but in her second story quest so Traveller should have been a little more cautious of her before then. I personally have no qualms about Traveller being wary of him. By all means, be as cautious as you want but their dialogue when it comes to him is never neutral. The thing that bothered me with the dialogue during the current event is the fact that Traveller assumes he would harm children. By the way, in order to do this event, you need to finish his character quest so you actually see the side of him that's more Ajax than Tartaglia. He would never harm children. Yoimiya who only just met him, knows everything about him, still had a better understanding that although he's dangerous, he is genuine when it comes to the kids and he should be treated accordingly. Had the dialogue been in more neutral tones, I think most people would not have a problem with it. By the way, I say this as a Zhongli, Tartaglia and Traveller main but imma call out my main when I know they are wrong. XD

[@anaplaysstuff]

IIRC, Traveler was more like, "uh...be cautious because he's a Harbinger, you know." I don't think Traveler said anything directly about him harming children. And considering that every one of Traveler's interactions with Harbingers has had some sort of trauma involved and this is technically happening right after Sumeru with Dottore and Scara maybe some of that extra caution feels warranted to the Traveler.

[@isdrakon9802]

He's still incredibly powerful with someone incredibly intelligent giving him orders, I have no doubt he wouldn't hurt the children or yoimia, but what about his task, why is he there. Also with zhongli we already knew him and his agenda, of which was already completed. As for ei what dis we have to fear, we already beat her and she would be as likely to go back on her word as zhongli would a contract

[@jmd0605]

The Traveler isn't warning Yoimiya because he might hurt the children. They're warning Yoimiya so they (but moreso her) don't get involved in the Fatui's shit. We've seen how easy it is to get entagled with a Harbinger's business and I think the Traveler just doesn't want Yoimiya to be one of them. The kids are annoying af anyway so I don't really think they're the Traveler's main priority anyway

[@anaplaysstuff]

@@isdrakon9802 What do Zhongli and Ei have to do with Traveler warning Yoimiya about Harbingers?

[@legendarydragon2564]

@@jmd0605 "the kids are annoying af so let them die" dude, you are a psycho but the traveler isnt one

[@victim130]

I know its a bit of an aside to the video's topic, but I still stand firm that Zhong Li was the primary antagonist of the Liyue archon quest.

[@grecia3146]

I don’t think he needs one, or at least not yet. I like how friendly he looks yet we know what he is capable of, also it looks like he is really loyal to the Tsaritsa. I also like the friendly-ish relationship he has with the traveler.

[@elknolasshrineofraja3966]

🌸😹I would but speak that it is always wise to attempt the new and thus we shall graciously extend the ear and the eye!😹🌸

[@XXSQUIDGLEYXX]

One thing I see people forget was that he didn't try and drown Liyue to kill everyone but instead summoned the god to try and draw out Morax

[@sureyeah3678]

I find it extremely funny that the higher rank Harbringer told him to search Scara in Inazuma, knowing Scara is already with Dottore. He is still in Inazuma since 2.2 lmao. But this is also one of the way Tartaglia can improve, breaking free from being clowned by the Harbringers over and over again

[@CelesNihility]

I bet he's gonna be facing some crisis related to his demon king armament transformation aka foul legacy transformation in English. Because Dainsleif hinted at the nature of Tartaglia's power is something Tartaglia has yet to fully understand.

[@psychnoodles]

I think the key difference between Childe’s arc and someone like EI is that despite getting off Scott free for his crimes, it makes a lot of sense because he’s a harbinger and Liyue doesn’t have the ability to punish him without larger scale effects. Ei on the other hand is completely forgiven by everyone and we’re told that she’s a morally grey character, but nobody recognizes the shitty things she did. Childe is given a story quest where he’s simply humanized, showing that he has a life outside of just being a harbinger but never really asks us to forgive his genocide. Even during that quest, we threatened to just kill him right there and then. EI on the other hand we go on dates with, as if she wasn’t a dictator ruining the lives of everyone including us up until 3 minutes ago. Childe might not be my favourite harbinger, but I can still appreciate the fact that Hoyo actually recognized we shouldn’t be forgiving this genocidalist lmao

[@bluefenneris9009]

tartaglia is like that one guy in class who annoys the shit out of you but somehow ended up being friends with u anyways

[@WL-bs4nc]

He’s already had a redemption in a way, he was trapped in the abyss at a much younger age, and so he learned, struggled and overcame the dark and extremely powerful forces of them (and even picked up a few tips from them.) He now uses this ability to assist the Tsaritsa in her goal to achieve “world peace”. But he still wants to keep his terroristic ways a secret from his family for reasons too obvious to even say, just go play the story quest. And now, he feels like a true friend to the traveler, though the traveler themself might not see it that way, Tartaglia does, and he’d do 80% of things to help them achieve their goal of family reunion. After all, to Tartaglia, the most unbreakable, beautiful, and most important bond is family.

[@WL-bs4nc]

Disclaimer: please don’t make Dominic Toretto jokes in the replies about the last part. Please and thank you

[@lionheartx-ray4135]

I agree his story arc more explains his motivation rather then ask for redemption. You can understand someone motivations but you dont have to redemee the person.

[@danielm5535]

One of the themes of the Chasm is that the Fatui were supposedly accepted as friends to Liyue and it’s revealed that one of the continuing missions is that the Fatui never stopped battling the Abyss since the Cataclysm 500 years ago- until Tartaglia threw a wrench in the works. I think there is a lot of potential for the Traveler to make tentative ally to the Harbingers, but the “ends justify the means” methods of the Fatui will always pose problems. As of the posting of this video, Tartaglia is in Chinju forest, near the teleporter, as an NPC, insisting he’s on a play hunt with Yoimiya; the traveler is wary

[@kylegivens3120]

He's currently just an antagonist who is a human being and has the capacity to be nice and cruel at equal measures. I mean it isn't hard to make an antagonist a nice person outside of their own ambitions or duties in Tartaglia's case. This is even truer if their ambitions are actually good but has a severe flaw. Like Maruki of P5R for example.

[@tsunderemerc2963]

While I don't love Childe as much as others, I love the role he fills. I secretly hope Scaramouche doesn't get a complete redemption so that he can fill a similar role of being a morally grey character rather than just saying "nahida made him good now uwu". It's always interesting when the Traveler runs into Childe and there's this sort of tension between them. You don't have to be blatantly evil to be on the opposing side.

[@ziephel-6780]

I 100% agree, let characters be morally ambiguous. Even the Traveler has a mysterious past, that makes them more than just 'sibling searching sibling' arc.

[@katacutie]

I mean, where's the grey here? What has Childe done to make him grey and not completely black? IIRC he tried to kill everyone in Liyue, attacked and tried to kill the traveler, lied, deceived and probably killed his way into power, and much more. I truly don't remember him doing anything remotely positive.

[@ziephel-6780]

@@katacutie Kinda funny isn't it? And ppl say Scaramouche is worse in comparison. Though, Childe is still morally ambiguous, because he's doing all of this for his family, and his loyalty is to the Tsarista. He's better written than Ei that's for sure, I haven't even completed the Electro Archon storyline, but I heard the end result is disappointing.

[@BoiFluffyFurry21]

@@ziephel-6780As someone who just entered Genshin Impact 3 months ago. I have mix feelings about what's happening with redemption arcs. Personally I have no issues with redemption is they done are correctly. If it's done bad, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and if feels stealing away of what makes a character likable. Tbh it's kinda odd rn. Scaramouche turned into Wanderer rn, and uuuhhh Idk what to say, or to think of it. I felt it was kinda rushed because he was redeemed without giving him reflection why. The only thing that still make me like Scaramouche is that he is still emo and mean even if he is a wanderer. I currently have him in my inventory, and I rolled for him because I didn't get Childe. It lucky I got him on Christmas as my present from MiHoyo. I still want Childe because his sooooo unpredictable, charismatic, ambiguously morale, chaotic and is complex character. I love that bastard. I still want to pull for him, and put him on my team >:(. Idk tbh, you can reply about your thoughts on redemption arcs.

[@ziephel-6780]

@@BoiFluffyFurry21 It may have happened in one night for the Traveler. But basically Scaramouche just reset his life by attempting to erase himself. It would have been nice to see a scene at the end of the quest, where we see the Wanderer's 500 year journey in contrast to the Balladeer's. I'd find it more believable if his second incarnation learnt things about the world that his Fatui counterpart wasn't able to due to his tunnel vision end goal for divine ascension. Other then that. Your explanation is why I like characters such as Enjou. He's an NPC. So it is unlikely that they'll be redeemed because of it. And if Il Dottore isn't playable either. That also applies. Oh, and I have Childe. And he is a blast to play with. I'll give him that. I wasn't even intending on getting him but it just happened.

[@notbubblystarters05]

I actually believe it's BECAUSE Tartaglia is so protective of his family that the Traveler became more wary of him. In the end of the quest, it really isn't redemption, but insight or maybe even grudging respect that we got on our end. For just as Childe said, if anyone knows the lengths one will go through and what lines one would cross for the sake of their sibling that gave them the motivation to seek power to begin with, it's *The Traveler.* And the Traveler is VERY dangerous. So of course he will be too. Both of them knows this as it takes one to know one.

[@mihacimpric745]

He's not getting a redemption arc, because he doesn't want one. He doesn't think he did anything wrong to need to redeem himself for.

[@prtzortimdat13]

i also think he wouldn't join the traveler and leave the harbingers but because he has a voice line about one of the harbingers where he says sometihng like "they would betray tsaritsa if they need to" and he doesnt like that idea, he seems loyal to tsaritsa (if i rememver right ofc). so i don't think he would do something he doesn't totally agree with.

[@ITBEurgava]

I only wish HoYo knows what to do with characters like him. Ajax is a good ingredients for an awesome story. Hope the devs have a great recipes ready.

[@lnsflare1]

One thing that should be noted is that the Traveler is also dealing with the fact that they are trying to rescue their own sibling, who is arguably committing even worse crimes than Tartaglia, so while they don't seem to longer him too much, they can't really beat too much of a grudge against him without needing a hypocrite unless he does something to force their hand on a personal level (like trying to murder their buddy Xinyan, or something to that extent).

[@emerald_blaze]

I would love an Yae miko deeper dive! While i do think shes solidly potrayed,i would still love a deeper dive of her and inazuma yokais. Ei deeper dive is also cool but tbh she already has a great amount of analysis all over the internet.

[@raima270]

Honestly, yae will always get credit every single thing related to Ei and Inazuma in particular. With the recent event, I think she will always get credit later on Fountain's event, Natlans', even Snezhnaya's. She's most loved character by Hoyoverse. They kind of sacrificing Ei's story so that other Inazuma characters could shines, especially Yae. We'd never encountered any Inazuma's activity without her, we'd never encountered Ei without yae there. While, an event can be without Ei, Ayato, Sara, or others, but Inazuma's event can't be without yae. Even without deep analysis on her personal, it is enough to sell her that way. She'll be known as "most influential character" later in the end of our journey. Even Sumeru's story quests is leaked through her birthday. That's enough showing how yae was sooo loved by the company. I understand that yae lovers want more of her, but she's already got more than enough to the point that I think character like Tortelini or Hu Tao should have screentime and deep analysis. If it's not for her amazing DPS, how Hu Tao can sold? She's no screentime whatsoever 🤣

[@emerald_blaze]

@@raima270 yeah i can totally see that. Shes very well presented,but that honestly does not change that i would love a yokai centric deepdive y'know. Shes also clearly a character hoyoverse joyfully goes its effort with references and is written like they hadfun with her^^

[@backpackpepelon3867]

Ei have the most layers in her character among the archon so far. That's why people like her the most, resulting in many analysis on her.

[@emerald_blaze]

@@backpackpepelon3867 thats also why i love her the most haha.

[@raima270]

@@backpackpepelon3867 Honestly, the idea behind her story making is so amazing, such as Amaterasu and Susano myth along with Raijin and Fujin when it come about Scaramouche, and also her way of ruling Inazuma back then and now is similar with how Japan before, during, and after World War II, which is great and makes her seems like hoyoverse's favorite . But, then her executions, design-wise, animations-wise made me believe otherwise. It seems now she turns out to be easy-victim-pick-up whenever problems arise. As if there's no better character to be villain other than her. And the fact that yae got all the credits because of it is what makes her Hoyoverse's favorite. Ayaka isn't even come close. Her story stops just being a noble in her country. I really wish, if they really want to have balance in game, they should not forget that Varka, Hu Tao, Yelan, and those who hasn't appear in Archon's Quest exist. But, I guess it's unlikely. Golden child will be forever golden child. In fact, I think Tortelini is more suitable for recent fungus event rather than her. He could use excuse such as "Looking for dear friend who's rumored to be defeated" and makes Ei deal with Scara rather than sending yae.

[@TheGameRuler]

Personally, I believe he didn't receive a redemption arc because of a few more things alongside what the video mentions. Compare him with other Harbingers we've met and what do we see? Most don't seem to care for their own people or respect them, Tartagalia on his ownquest on the other hand shows he is willing to discipline them but not disregard them. He even takes information from others rather more calmly compared to others. Also consider how he structures his plans and when he executes them alongside his prospects for how they end. Comparing with the other Harbingers, they show more that their end goal is to get the task done with success, without worrying much if it causes too much damage to the lives of others or alternatively fully intending it brings harm to them. Tartagalia on the other hand can even see failure of a plan as a necessary step to his success. I can tell some have their eye-twitching by that comment, so here's what I mean: When Childe executed his plan to free Osial, he did so when he realized that Morax was still alive. He wasn't intending to do so if possible, but he did in the end knowing it would cause problems for Liyue Harbour. Or rather it's possible decimation. However he openly admited he had considered that plan to fail, because if Morax lived, he would never allow such harm to come to his people. He released Osial on Liyue Harbour knowing Morax would try and stop him, giving him the needed opportunity to go for Morax. Naturally, us fighting Osial damaged that prospected plan so we would need to be stopped. In short, he does rather bad things but is not an asshole about it. He is willing to cause severe damage to a nation IF it forces the Archon to come out from hidding to prevent it, but if other alternatives exists he showed to take them first, showing he is not a brute. As for how it may end with Childe... regardless we will NEED Fatui materials to level up and upgrade characters, which is why I believe we will never ally with the Fatui on a permanent capacity. In fact, I have a suspicion that something big will happened between the Fatui, the Harbingers and the Tsaritsa once we get there. And honestly... there's a constant theme in Genshin that many people seem to ignore that we all need to keep in mind, a theme that we stumbled upon in Mondstadt, the start of our journey... and again in Sumeru, the halfway point of our journey. And it envolves the Abyss. Not the Order, the actual Abyss.

[@BranOnline]

I LOVED THIS

[@Tshyld]

Are you sure that we'll not be able to find your comment? PepeLaugh

[@equilibriumvk1657]

Hi there,Ms. Aster. Morally grey characters,I love them. That's what makes them interesting. I admired when some of these beloved morally grey characters don't ask for forgiveness,they know and are aware,this is an internal conflicts only they can solve. You are your own puzzle. And may even have struggles on coming to terms with your flaws,thus internal. (*ahem Dottore bickering with his own segments,aka,himself. He's interesting himself*) Tartaglia is just one my top morally grey character list of 1-5. 😄

[@yournerdking218]

I like the idea of tartalia just being a character we occasionally side with not beacuse he's good but beacuse he's simple, he cares about his family and country and will work within those motivations

[@ToscaTee]

His character has always been peculiar to me since the first time i was exposed of memes and fanworks of him. He is often described as straightforward yet is one of the most complex, morally ambiguous characters in the game. I love his charm and energy and i’d love to see where his story goes until we finally get to snezhnaya and possibly meet his family.

[@PinkC0bra]

Gosh i love the way tartaglia is written, thanks for explaining why he is so great. Also for another character to do this with Kaeya is a PERFECT candidate. There is so much hidden lore about him and the way he works is also very orthodox (thinking back to how he confronted collei in the manga) Also of course back in 1.0 Kaeya was the one who introduced me to Genshin lore through his Khaenrian heritage...

[@AppoBean]

My fav thing abt Tartaglia is how he's supposed to be the "bad guy" but he's so morally grey that he's our friend, lmao

[@aether2056]

thank you! you explained this so well. i love his character so much and it's annoying to see him misinterpreted or seen as "different" from the other harbingers. excellent video. :]

[@LongNguyen-sv1tz]

Look like Yoimiya don't really care if he redeemed himself or not, she just like him for who he is!

[@MoonRaven1412]

I'm guessing this stems from the random Tartaglia and Yoimiya appearance in Chinju Forest. In my understanding people were angry/confused over Traveller's dialogue choices to Yoimiya... I hundred percent agree with this video. And traveller is right to be vary about Tartaglia and his future actions and what he might learn from being around Traveller and their friends. However I am baffled over the... difference of how Traveller acts towards other people in Tartaglia's presence. In the Labyrinth event, Traveller and Paimon actively covered for him and lied to Xinyan about his identity despite... everything that went on. With Yoimiya, they are outright prepared to tell her (and the children) that Tartaglia is actually a bad guy. Is this just because of the difference in situation (dangerous labyrinth versus peaceful forest) or something stemming from further interractions with other Harbingers?

[@Lampent12]

I don't know if this was planned or not, but this is some great timing with Tartaglia's cameo in the current event. Poor guy is probably missing his family right now.

[@rb8258]

I hope the rest of the harbingers are as complex as Childe.

[@Nuna_heart]

This gave me hope with the fatui harbingers (especially dottore) Love me some complex badass characters

[@breezyveezy]

THIS. I love all of this. I’ve seen a lot of people being upset about how the Traveler (minor photo event spoiler) is so mean to Tartaglia still, but WHY WOULDN’T THEY BE??? He’s never given them a reason to fully trust him. Just because the Traveler seems to be cool with him personally, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t warrant giving a friend a heads up about who he is. I agree too that I feel like it’s more likely that we’ll end up allying with the Fatui towards the end rather than Childe “seeing the error of his ways” and leaving them. He’s said “we’re on the same side” multiple times now. Obviously he has information we as the players as well as the Traveler don’t, he just hasn’t shared it yet for one reason or another.

[@lowliethxd1471]

Signora: I never ask for redemption! Also Signora: Dead Childe: I never ask for redemption! Also Childe: Is playable

[@Pascll]

although there's parts I agree with, I think a flaw in your argument is looking at tartaglia like his character arc is complete. I'm not saying you're wrong, I think it's entirely possible he won't be redeemed. what I mean is just that it's entirely possible something will happen to tartaglia in the future that'll shake his ideals and cause him to reconsider. I mean, that's basically what happened with scaramouche. one theory that I saw and really like came after the wanderer's voice lines were released: he claims that pulcinella isn't looking after tartaglia's family out of kindness, but rather so he can basically take them as hostages. although we should definitely take scaramouche's opinions with a graine of salt, since he views everything as people using others, I think it's a very interesting and plausible possibility: perhaps snezhnaya's archon quest could involve the fatui threatening tartaglia's family, which would cause him to betray the fatui. one thing supporting this possibility is the fact that pulcinella is seen sitting on a throne in the trevail video, which may suggest he'll play an important role and be a major villain of that story. but we'll just have to see, I'm not pretending this is some ultimate perfect prediction. and I think there's solid arguments to be made for both sides. and I do think the idea of the traveler joining forces with the fatui is a really interesting idea.

[@jmd0605]

Exactly. Childe never getting a redemption, never even APOLOGIZING is enough reason for the Traveler to hold reservations and feel hostile about him. I will forever judge people (specifically Harbinger stans) for making some of the most absurd arguments for why the Traveler should like or even tolerate the Fatui when they have never, EVER given them a reason to do so.

[@kinokodze]

And that’s why he is one of the most interesting characters in genshin to this day. Hope he will be important in a future archon quests

[@infinitechibi1496]

My personal opinion is that eventually he'll have to make a choice. Family or Power. If he picks power he loses his family. If he picks family he loses the chance to gain more power. Both are equally important to him. But eventually it'll come to a point where he can only have one or the other and I feel like that'll really define any development in his character.

[@melan.cholia]

that would be very interesting to see down the line

[@infinitechibi1496]

@@melan.cholia it would be tbh.

[@takarifan]

Tartaglia/ Childe is a one of kind character that doesn't need to have a moment of redemption. He knows who he is and he is proud of it. Still the guy is very sketchy and we wouldn't know what's his real goal in the end to become the most loyal Harbinger for the Tsaritsa. However I always keep an eye on him, he has gained many indications of death flags that he would carry until the climax of the story.

[@infectedumbrellagrunt3682]

"I never asked for redemption." La Sig-Tortelini Tartaglia or something. I really hope that he doesn't get any redemption and stay the course even into the Snezhnaya arc, if he dies later on or opposes Pierro in a possible cliched Fatui schism that might sort out the playable and the truly bad. He should be the lovable, battle-hungry family man that he is.

[@Darth1Marik]

What I see happening is towards the end of the story we'll have taken out a number of the Fatui Harbingers and defeat the Tsaritsa. At that point Childe/Tartaglia will probably take over leadership role of Snezhnaya. We'll then head to Khaenri'ah and finish up the story. I'm curious to what role Celestia will play in all of this though if at all. It's also possible that Celestia will involve itself once the Fatui acquire all the Gnosis. Because they have gotten every single one thus far without fail. So the story is pretty obvious in whats going to happen, I dunno why anyone would have any hope of stopping them from getting the Gnosis.

[@cursedsymphony]

Thank you for this! It never made sense to me that some people viewed his story quest as a redemption, or that anything thus far has been a redemption of any kind, so I'm glad to see a video dispelling that notion. I especially enjoyed the mention of how Childe's character isn't a single archetype and how that separates him from a lot of the cast. His duality makes him a very exciting character, and watering him down to a single layer simply does not do him justice. It's so refreshing to find a video where his character writing and execution is appreciated.

[@theysisossenthime]

I'll second the Traveler joining the Fatui or at least allying with the Tsaritsa once they know the truth about what is happening with Celestia. I expect this to happen once the Traveler has traveled to all of the nations.

[@sunnypa7101]

Hydro visions offer themselves to people with strong motives and moral conscience to their core. The hydro archon's all about that. So does many hydro characters. He's a man of his word, even if he sounds silly about it, check his voice overs for proof. He's where he is because of fate. I adore Ajax as well. Also, if he didn't do what he did, who knows what The Tsaritsa would have done to his family?

[@hayakawaken9493]

I often find myself comparing Tartaglia to a rather classic true crime serial killer archetype, the 'Hannibal Lecter' of the Genshin cast. I felt that he fundamentally does not see any tension between himself as a caring big-brother figure and himself as Tsaritsa's weapon.

[@nanas1090]

I hope for mutual agreement type of parternships, "enemy of my enemy" or "I need you, you need me" and all the likes. I REALLY hope Dottore will be kept like Childe is.

[@Dylanfrias24]

Dottore is too evil in traveller's eyes for that.

[@vanilla6326]

This is why context and redemption reaaaally need to be explored more thoroughly. Compared to the harbingers met so far, Childe is the youngest by more than just the few years we expected, Signora and Scaramouche being 500-ish years old respectively. Childe isn’t proud of his roll as a harbinger, the fact that he insists on hiding it from Teucer is evidence enough but the cherry on top is his desire to travel with Lumine/Aether. The Fatui is a means to an end. The one thing the harbingers have maintained -excluding Il Dottore- is trauma. Trauma that has been evidently weaponized by the Tsaritsa. Childe will likely have more time in the spotlight going forward, he’s a fan favorite after all and if the voice lines are anything to go by he wouldn’t mind fighting the other harbingers with the traveler. His story certainly isn’t over yet

[@drnkndmn]

Having Childe in the plot is also very refreshing, because his writing doesn't limit the variety and scale of situations he and by extension we will end up in. Also just a theory but he may be written with less consideration, like Itto or Shenhe. They are not over-explained and given some characteristics that easily may make them unlikeable. The underlying logic is not being tentative. Like, part of why Sumeru quest was good is what happened to Rukkhadevata in the end

[@riskyworks]

8:53 Even then, Scaramouche is more likely to be redeemed (maybe not redeemed, but he will try to atone for his actions). Scaramouche may be bad, but he became like that for a reason, his tough confident act is clearly just an attempt to hide his trauma. I'm not saying Scaramouche can or should be redeemed, but he is far more likely to at least try to do something good to slowly atone for his actions. You can tell that Scaramouche is afraid to trust anyone, and I could see him joining the Traveler to travel around and try to help people, even if it wont redeem him.

[@Not_A_Friend0777]

He's just real to what his fighting for and that is how great a character he is. Imagine a traveler that you once meet change your whole way of perspective because he help you or defeated you. Childe is just so loyal to tsaritsa, his family, and his homeland that you can't just change him with that kind of encounter.

[@ulmwilliams57]

He isn't redeemed...yet, because if he is going to have a redemption arc it would have to be when the Traveler gets to Snezhnaya and Childe is able to reconcile the places he's been versus his own home and take a stand against the Tsaritsa personally (perhaps joining in/interfering in her boss fight with the Traveler)

[@achnologiadragon]

Love this video... I agree with your take on Tartaglia.. really love the morally grey characters which is why I usually watch seinen shows. I hope we get to discover more of his character once his master "Skirk" appears

[@Sinovian]

I would like to see Tartaglias story after the Tsarita and Fatui plotline comes to a somewhat conclusion. As of right now all we have are conjectures and hints at what all is happening in Schnezniah and the Fatuis ultimate goals. No matter what happens I would love to see how that impacts Tartaglia and his goals/plans for a future as Shenziah inevitably changes after the traveler arrives (as there has yet to be a nation he hasn't impacted in his travels 😅)

[@pebbers961]

He doesn't need a redemption because he isn't evil by nature he's just following work obligations

[@meowmeowharmonicus]

Traveler: He's not to be trusted. Yoimiya: ...But he's so great with the kids! 😅 I think the key to being a playable character in Genshin is the character in question must first and foremost have at LEAST a decent, working relationship with the Traveler. It's why we can have Tartaglia in our party regardless of whether or not we agree with everything he's done. He doesn't take the things that happened between them personally. You are a comrade-in-arms, a rival to be tested and he's unapologetic about it. He a strong potential ally. And I dunno what the story will be with the coming 3.3 update but I see the same sort of idea playing out for Scaramouche. With him being playable, our relationship with him will change because of it (although I believe he will have some sort of redemption arc, I just can't really say how far that will go). So, things are going to have to play out in the story for us before we have any other Harbingers in our party.

[@DarkSeraph]

Yoimiya's response is literally his simps defending him

[@laplue]

He's unapologetic, I respect that.

[@pegasBaO23]

"The traveler joins the fatui" imagine if one of the archon questlines is literally us taking a gnosis from an archon

[@Alpiwhat]

Reject humanity, return to aranara

[@kestrelloz]

My personal theory is that the fatuis, despite their bad way of doing things, will turn up to be the good ones. In my perspective even the archons are trying to help the tsarista going against celestia, i think some clues were given to us right at the start of the journey: Monstadt. “The gateway to celestia” is put right in front of our eyes in the first nation we visited (venti’s statue) and the whole place seems to be hiding mechanical parts that one day will move, plus Venti himself talks about how he hates celestia and he didnt really fight against signora when she took his gnosis; i believe he was willingly to give away his vision but trying to not making it obvious. Zhongli just give up the gnosis with a mere contract and Yae basically gifted it to scaramouche without even trying to fight him, despite her incredible power. Even nahida after hearing dottore talk about the false sky decided to give her own gnosis away.

[@aibouuu4255]

After all, he is just some guy and thats freaking the best part about him. The duality this man has is SHEESH

[@maryanntheconqueror]

The one thing that I feel would bring our dear Pop Tart to a "redemption", or at least as close as he can get, is if his loyalty to the Fatui and his family were to clash at some point. I have a strong feeling he would choose the latter but even then, that's not necessarily a true "redemption", he likely won't admit any of his past actions or his former loyalty to the Fatui were wrong, it simply will be that one wins over the other. Love your vids so much and hope to see more of this series!!

[@Ben-vg6ox]

The harbingers obsession with the tsaritsas plan is interesting to say the least, i really want to know what the cryo archon is up to