Why The 4640 Isn't A Chore Tractor

[@drbrickner]

Ha! Our chore tractor was a Farmall F12. Of course that was almost 70 years ago. A JD A was our workhorse. Different times, different answers.

[@corydevries3494]

I think that was a great explanation on the difference between 44 and 46! Keep up the good work

[@RKHarm24]

After watching Ryan's video today, seeing you baling, Dang Good thing you have Cab and HVAC. The dust and foreign flying particles would have you choked out.

[@austijt]

Growing up we had a 4430 and 2 4630's. We used the 4430 for everything, you name it. It was used for our 15' batwing mower, feed hammermill, pulling grain wagons, EVERYTHING. Our 4630's were used for field work and our honey wagon and that was basically it.

[@davidphillips6571]

Our big tractor in the early seventies was a 175 Massey. The chore tractor was a 35 Massey.

[@Blazer02LS]

About the same on my grandparents farm. Tractors over 100 hp were rare.

[@alexanderhenggeler5773]

I agree with you Travis, some jobs you just need a small tractor, like for mixing feed, I have a 4440 with a powershift that in the winter that's what runs the feed wagon. However, once the weather starts getting warmer it gets switched to our row crops and a 4030 with a synchro gets put on the feed wagon. Now, for our operation this works as we have 2 4030s, 2 4240s with identical loaders, and 1 4440, now my dad always likes to keep his equipment divided like you say with smaller daily operations machines and the larger heavy farm equipment, a 4450, 4850, (2) 8300s, and an 8420 to do tillage, planting, and the smaller of the 5 take care of running the round baler and the disc mower. Now, we also have exceptions to the rule where like this year for one day we put a 8300 on the disc mower thinking we would cut hay with it while the 4850 went to get a steering leak fixed, but when the 8420 broke a double knuckle u-joint in the front end, it got its duals back on and went on our field cultivator and the 4850 is on the disc mower yet until further notice. Rounding back to the point, having essentially two lines of machinery makes sense, when you've got jobs that need a smaller tractor, you probably shouldn't overpower the job, especially on sensitive machinery like a grinder mixer, and I think the simplest way my dad ever put it to me was, "if you have a piece of machinery, and something is wrong, what's gonna give first a big tractor, or the obstacle?" Anyways, loved the video and wanted to share my two cents, have a great day!🙂

[@g.n.g4851]

Sounds like some folks think the term "Chore Tractor" is a derogatory term. Every machine has its purpose and every farm is different. In my opinion the 4440 is a great all around machine. We had two 4430s and a 4440 and used them for every task on the farm. Thanks for the post!

[@spencer1096]

My Grandpa bought a John Deere 4440 brand new in 1979 he traded it off in 1994 for a 7800. our 4440 was our biggest tractor back in the day. I think the 4440 is 145 hp I think. I definitely agree you guys should get a 4440 instead of putting hours on your big tractors for you guys we would look at your big tractors and for our operation they would be really small

[@koolman2021]

Beautiful tractor you and your family have a great weekend

[@andrewbusshardt4533]

I think u guys should buy a 4440 and have the best of both worlds!!! Thanks Travis have a good one

[@raymondhinds3539]

Yep you succeeded in getting me totally confused. Our big tractor was a JD G and chore was a JD B times have certainly changed. As always looking forward to your next video.

[@devinnowak6275]

We have two 4440’s. I love them. The one is putting out 180 and the other is still at 150ish. They are our bigger tractors. But by today’s standards they are small. I would love to have a 4640 on day. We have a 4650 but I just like the 40 series over the 50

[@pushpushlambert8079]

Your 4640 is a beauty ! Looks are deceiving but wholly over 200 hp incredible. Only John Deere we had was our pride and joy work horse 4WD 7020 . Loved it 👍🏻🇨🇦

[@timheasley612]

When I was growing up in the mid 70s we had a 4010 and the big tractor was a 4520 but to be honest the 4520 was the biggest tractors in town at the time .. oh our chore tractor was a A lol telling my age ... great video keep up the good work Guys 💚💚💚

[@cassiuspuckett8789]

I see and understand your explanations for the different uses for the tractors and why you do that. Yes a 4640 could actually be considered overkill for say running a grain auger, where as the 4020 would be way to small to run, say, the chisle or the earthmaster. And your right, as times change so do your needs. To me, you have the tractors matched to each particular job that you do thruout the year and nothing seems to be overkill to this or that job that it does. Your explanation for doing what you do and why you do makes sence.....

[@DEDBRD-di4yj]

Overpowered is underrated, great video

[@davidchapin8297]

It is funny how things change with time. I can remember a time when a 3020 was considered a huge tractor. Now look at what you are calling a chore tractor. :)

[@tractorsold1]

Most of my experince was with a 38hp chore tractor, 40hp general purpose tractors, and 90hp in the big tractor. At the end we had 60hp in the chore tractor and 110 or 120 in the big tractor. Only the last biggest one had 1000 rpm PTO.

[@14Marathons]

Another great video, Travis... Excellent...Love your channel.

[@PaulLooney-dw5ze]

When I was a kid I thought a John Deere 4040 was the biggest tractor in the world and now not so much. Now it looks a little small but that was at the time the tractor that did the big jobs on the farm.

[@stanleyjones4180]

thanks for the video travis

[@clintonknight9798]

For one lets not under cut the versatility of the 1982 transition years. We are looking at a horse power bump in the 4500, 4700, and some other series models of the "large frame" chasis of this similar size. The 4640 could be setup with a variety of row crop tire configurations. It was capable of 178 horse power factory, and was very easily a work horse tractor for small farms of 200 acres up to 500 acres. Respectably it was a versatile tractor with the front loader and narrow tire configurations to work a bale, transport equipment at top gear range (quad range transmission) and over all was a comfortably sized tractor for medium to heavy operating load conditions. With a dual rear setup the traction was capable to work in sandy conditions without concern. The front end with a "wide track" float tire was quite easy to support the extra weight dispersion. You could easily ask of the 4640 on level ground the same operational capacity of some of the higher horse power tractors in the 210 range. The quick hitch setups that were used made the rear 3 point a very adaptable tractor as well. Putting on extra front weights with the frame made it still reliable for a drill in tight spaces to keep fence to fence seed coverage of little concern. By 1982 the additional models coming into the scene would start bringing more electronics, monitors, and equipment for the new age into the fore front. That is the point when the 4640 goes from versatile tractor to in hindsight chore ready.

[@Drew-in-NoDak]

For some of the operations around me in 8400 is considered a chore tractor and is used for mowing ditches and might pull a grain cart in the fall, meanwhile a 9520 is the main Workhorse not much row crop goes on around us just wheat canola and some narrow soybeans

[@ericrisch9616]

Our big tractor was 4455 and our small tractor was a 2940 John Deere’s. The 2940 hauled hay and raked n moved feed trailers. The 4455 did everything else

[@joshmoored7502]

Good video, 2955 was our big tracker lol

[@nowhereman8903]

Grew up on the Deeres. Love the channel. I grew up on a 4010 and later 4020&4320, I bleed green.

[@mikegriffith8972]

Back when my uncle was farming the farmall “m” was the big tractor.

[@blakecollie8770]

I know many people that use the 4640 to bale hay rake hay haul hay it just depends on the amount of space/land you have to justify using it

[@RKHarm24]

4440 PTO (tested): 130.58 hp 4640 PTO (tested): 156.30 hp 4450 PTO (tested): 140.43 hp Tractor Data dot COM

[@robertreznik9330]

Thanks for publishing information that has been actually gathered by testing.

[@Masseyman-nv2kl]

RK Harm24 their 4640 has 225hp

[@RKHarm24]

@@Masseyman-nv2kl I posted factory numbers. Travis has said several times it has been turned up. That's great. Ise it or lose it.

[@robertreznik9330]

@@Masseyman-nv2kl To produce 225 hp from that 4640 JD 466 ci engine would not be practical for a farm tractor. It would need to have air to air after cooling and run 2500 rpm and roll coal with its Robert Bosh injector pump. Then on a warm day the engine would over heat. Too bad Travis did not go to college and learn some engineering.

[@Masseyman-nv2kl]

Robert Reznik why are you trying to make yourself sound big? They don't need to air to air cooling as they've not tuned to hell. You don't need to be an engineer to turn a pump up. We have farmers here with JD 6330p's 6430's 6600 series and my friend how has a JD6620p and its producing 180hp from factory and they've tuned them 50hp plus sometimes. As long as you properly mix the air to fuel you will have no problem.

[@SirGranular]

It might not bother you, but you could fold the bulldog clip 'arms' flat against your shirt.... won't stick in your neck. You probably realised that already. My OCD! Really enjoy your videos. Cheers

[@claytonbatten7317]

We have four 4640’s and they have been a very reliable tractor 🚜

[@robertreznik9330]

I thought the 46 and 44 were about the same on light hp jobs. The main difference is the after-cooler so the injector pump can be turned up on the 46.

[@ranger9414]

On the drawbar is 112hp and on PTO is 130hp on the 4440

[@MatthewHoag77]

Call me crazy, but a lot of these considerations are highly relative to the size and power of the fleet you have and the current and future needs of the operations. If, for instance, you owned a 9R, the 4640 would seem small, even though it was the biggest thing you had prior to 2014. My uncles' biggest tractor is a Case IH 7210, which is not big on the grand scale, but it is enough for their operation's heaviest tasks. They are stable with regard to the number of acres they run and shrinking in dairy herd size. Kuster Farms, on the other hand, is growing in acres as well as the overall cattle herd. Thus, what is "big" to you now will eventually be underpowered (8235R) and close to the middle of the fleet designation, and the 7600 and 4640 will be, by default, close to "chore tractor" status. Go back to when Dwight joined the operation decades ago, and the 4020 was the "big" tractor at that point. It's all relative and somewhat subjective.

[@nicke1903]

Lol yep,the best tractor for the job is the tractor you got

[@CGW116A]

Your family's operation went from a primary dairy farm to a crop farm with more acres. Having worked for a couple of dairy farmers with 4440s and one had a 4640 that spent most of its time parked in the shed due to PTO@1000. Chopping pulling large 6 axle boxes and V plowing was it's only use. Your needs have changed and as your implements increase in size so will your power up front.

[@2cylinderfarmer]

I have a brochure from 1980s on the 40 series. It says the 4440 is rated at 130 hp. My instructor in diesel school told us that tractors are underrated on purpose because they will get overload at some poinr.

[@harrimanfox8961]

Strange how we treat larger frame tractor as Row crops tractors, however in Europe, any tractor is a general purpose tractor

[@VaporSlav]

Our big horse is a Massey 1135

[@kswaynes7569]

I would add the fuel savings in the conversation.

[@travishuberts6418]

In our operation an 8235r is considered a chore tractor

[@jimjones4600]

dont talk bullshit kid

[@nowhereman8903]

John Deere 4440 Power: Drawbar (claimed): 112 hp [83.5 kW] PTO (claimed): 130 hp [96.9 kW] Drawbar (tested): 112.69 hp [84.0 kW] PTO (tested): 130.58 hp [97.4 kW] power test details ...

[@cliffvetter]

Travis when you mentioned the 4640 made 220 HP I didn't recall that as the correct HP. Quick check on Tractorhouse showed the model HP from 150 (low) to 174 HP. Think the 174 HP is closer. Maybe you folks bumped the HP up a bit with alterations but think you misspoke when you said 220 HP. Did you have other info on rated HP?

[@TheRestOfTheStory]

Our 46 is turned up.

[@cliffvetter]

Thanks for the HP explaination. Guess that makes sense with the smoke at startup. Runs a bit rich at first maybe. I owned a Case 2290 years ago that showed 173 HP on the dyno. That was sold to me new but something was different. Rated was around 140 hp. I pulled a Case 6- 18's on land plow with a buster bar. 12 front weights, loaded inside duals. Pulled it in tough soils without issues. I didn't have the smoking issues though. Nothing like HP.

[@Masseyman-nv2kl]

Our biggest tractor is a Massey fergie 3080 what is 110hp but then got a fegie 6170 engine in it that at dyno had 120 but lost a few ponies over the years. Then we have a fergie 390 with a loader what is our chore tractor with 80hp. Some people here in Scotland say that Americans pit to much hp on smaller jobs. In my opinion it's true to an extent. As you have that wheel rake that the 4020 could run. Or the bale carrier. We have a 28ft marshal bale trailer and get 20/30 bales on it depending on the stacker getting pulled by our 3080. But if you want to put more hours on a bigger investment it's up to you just my opinion.

[@jimjones4600]

coool story brah, shame its all make believe, you arent even a farmer

[@Masseyman-nv2kl]

jim jones I am we have 113 acres 50 breeding cows 18 bulls 24 sheep countless hens ducks geese on the Scottish isles.

[@jimjones4600]

@@Masseyman-nv2kl man i can never understand why guys need to pretend to be farmers to talk shit on these channels. Pretty sad

[@SteveHolsten]

Informative video, Travis. Does the 44 & 46 both have working A/C's?

[@Jpsmoto]

Hey I have a question Travis, why didn’t you put that tank on the planter over the seed boxes on the planter instead of it being right on the hitch of the planter?

[@danlowery3235]

Every farm every person has their own opinion on size and needs, for gods sake it's America you have you're right to what you think. I still like that old 4020!

[@TheRestOfTheStory]

Do did grandpa

[@koltonwagner8670]

Your grandpa probably thought that the 44 was a gigantic tractor to have in that time

[@MatthewHoag77]

Haying has always been and will always be a dry and dusty task. The cutting process may be the only exception, but that's only the first step. I have been out in the field on open station tractors for every step of it, and a cab definitely would have been nice!

[@jasonkotara2135]

Sorry the 44 is almost the most perfect tractor ever built! The 46 is just a small big clumsy tractor.

[@gregfuller4318]

When are you going to do all four wheeling video of you and Britney just having fun

[@canvids1]

awesome great video thanks and I am not a farmer LOL.

[@tw-20craig65]

We own 4640 and 4840 and the 4840 is bigger tractor it pull much better then the 4640 but 4840 will drink a full tank of diesel a day and I can go 1 1/2 day with the 4640 both tractor are turn up 4840 around 210hp and 4640 about 175hp

[@cherbert359]

We'll put

[@waterskiingfool]

Like you always say it's your farm use them for what you want

[@stevewalker9449]

If you really need to compare the difference go to the 50 series.When you look at the front of a 4650 as compared to a 4450 the 46 has room for one more headlight in the hood.The large frame soundguards are monsters compared to the small frame.

[@generationll]

The 4640 is 25hp apart from a 4440 & a 4840.In size it closer to a 4840 then a 4440.Similar wheelbase & a 83 gallon fuel tank.The 4640 as did the 4620,4630 before comes with a intercooled turbocharged diesel engine.The 4440 did not.Iowa Dairy Boys also here on this website has got 2 4440s.130 PTO hp Travis what Deere introduced it as in 1977.Similar to IN 1086 at the time

[@doclull1989]

Hey Travis!!

[@randykroells8049]

4455FWA is the best all around.

[@idontwantanaccount6941]

simply put: 4440 category II, 4640 category III

[@clinthochrein888]

I’ve seen a 46 or 44 🤔 running a blower for filling silo an. Case IH 7120 running a chopper in the field.

[@user-A244F]

We have a 7120 running the blower

[@clinthochrein888]

👍🏽

[@joedoak3478]

It handles like a 4020 never to big or too small

[@lukeshirk936]

Have you ever thought about just using the vt and stop chisel plowing the ground?

[@carterthacker7546]

4440 is 144hp from factory 4640 is 172hp from factory 7600 is 124hp from factory Tractordata

[@jamiefrench9023]

Your 7600 is a workhorse for your farm would you consider something like 7810?

[@kandylandfarms9898]

It comes down to what you have or can afford I know I would like a bigger tractor to plant and do field work with, but all I have and can afford right now is a 81 hp and 100 hp tractors and on the hills of east central Ohio pulling the manure spreader and and 700 gallon sprayer behind them it is all they want or you want some times its the tail wagging the dog . You learn to go slow and plan ahead. Both tractors are FWA , The JD 100 hp has cab& loader and for that reason only it gets used the most. I feed 100-110 cows year around and make 45ac of hay and plant about 110 ac of row crops my chore tractor is my big tractor it wears many hats.

[@tiger5551]

Dang my dad almost worked our 4020 to the ground. So sad

[@SUPERSORNO]

For our set up a 100-120 HP is a chore tractor. Even that might be a little large for us but like you why be under powered.

[@jerrypolk6251]

Frame size and hp

[@jeremybrooks335]

165 hp total 156 on hand hp

[@henryparks4824]

Will you be using the 46 for making hay this summer

[@griffinwiegert527]

He would probably use the 44

[@michaelc9128]

Why is the combine not sitting in the shed

[@TheRestOfTheStory]

It's back in the corner

[@Collinsfarmingarchive]

What about a 4440 with a 8460 motor

[@horselakeranch]

The 44 is getting too small for the bigger equipment now a days. I run my bale shredder and discbine with a 4640.

[@horselakeranch]

@@trossponsor9077 hey dude. Have you ever ran 956 moco with a conditioner? Obviously not. Here in Canada its take roughly 10hp a foot to run a discbine with a conditioner. I dont give a shit what you do in Europe

[@359livinlarge6]

4440 is a 144 hp unit.

[@dustinripberger4817]

Tammy Dwyer wrong

[@359livinlarge6]

@ Dustin , 4440 144 hp 1978 - 1982 4450 155 hp 1983 - 1988 4455 155 hp 1988 - 1992

[@dustinripberger4817]

Tammy Dwyer tractor data and John Deere brochures list the 4440 at 130 hp and 4450 at 140 hp

[@witty1764]

I believe a factory 4440 is 130hp.

[@rustysimms5583]

You are right

[@ranger9414]

The 4640 is 172hp and the 4440is 144hp

[@chrisrenken9303]

Don't the 4440 have a liter tongue

[@petebusch9069]

My motorcycle puts out 158 hp :)

[@ethanseitz9494]

My dad just took both of our 4440 to the junk yard Bc he couldn’t get them sold 😂 our smallest tractor is a 6175 r

[@jbmbanter]

You're eyes aren't as big as they were. :)

[@connork4440]

140

[@tobyjohnson3067]

I think u basically just said the same stuff about 51 times 🤣

[@JonathanTasse]

Is your 7600 turned up?

[@nathanmelander3995]

There is not that much difference in power between the 2

[@TheRestOfTheStory]

Ours in turned up a bit

[@lilladylexi22]

Mac

[@samueljoejr5191]

If I could, I'd sprinkle a 7R all over ya. Am I the only one who thinks this guy is a class act, or what?

[@TheRestOfTheStory]

I heard 7R machines are the modern day 4020s