Why The Acolyte Was Canceled

[@one7decimal2eight]

It was cancelled because it sucked. The end.

[@bluestar4579]

Robot Chicken and Family Guy did Star Wars better than this show.

[@npc6254]

Acolyte cast: “Star Wars fans don’t like us…they must be racist!” Also Acolyte cast: “Anakin blew up the Death Star.”

[@cameronhermann9400]

Took me a second to realize what was wrong with the last sentence 😂

[@thisithis]

Yeah, I'm also supposed to forget that Leslye Headland was a personal assistant to Harvey Weinstein and lied for him a few times.

[@revansdisciple4636]

That and let's look at her fake cry at one Star Wars Celebration. Both of these examples just told me the show was gonna be bad.

[@hikigayamurakamo9340]

Yeah. And I don't think she had capability to make a good story because this feels like a revenge plot of her against Harvy since you know who he is. (Note: Harvy are not very known to us Asian people this matter coming the western. So.. indulge me about it)

[@revansdisciple4636]

@@hikigayamurakamo9340 Want the entire thing in detail or just the editor's notes?

[@hikigayamurakamo9340]

@@revansdisciple4636 editor note

[@theclown3967]

She also wrote a one woman play about her time where it's heavily implied a part of her job was to feed women to Harvey. So not even a "You do this to get the role", shed find a woman Harvey liked, refer her to him for "a movie". She's a fucking psychopath.

[@freelancenerd4804]

Bad writing= bad characters =bad viewership. Anyone on social media is going to hear hate. Get over it.

[@patbracken]

The first fight scene had a Jedi Master, a telekinetic pre-cog, being killed by a throwing knife because she was distracted. In Episode 5, part of Luke's training was doing a handstand, while balancing Yoda on his feet, while stacking stones with his mind. He was the equivalent of a padawan. More eloquent people than I have gone on at length about the writing, so I'll stop there.

[@blaze556922]

Did you think the force protected you at all times? If anything the show proved that Jedi are not invulnerable... What you just said Bosch the show the way you think it did. I just think they shouldn't have had it be Carrie Ann Moss's character who was killed first

[@godofhate4167]

@@blaze556922 Well when it comes to the original star wars, the force gave Jedi something like extreme intuition, so they can sense when things are tricks, traps, deception etc, you know that saying "i sense a disturbance in the force", thats what they are talking about. So in this show, these so called "jedi" using the force for things based on face value or immediate distractions, not the whole picture, not using it for thinking a few steps ahead, it means these writers do not know what they are doing. It honestly makes no sense because before the clone wars, back during "the old republic" those jedi masters were INCREDIBLY powerful, most of them could easily stand toe to toe Prime Anakin because they were focused on battle, not diplomacy like Clone wars jedi were oriented.

[@domri-6582]

We consistently see force users have their capacity to connect with or use the force become interrupted based on their emotional state. As well comparing c tier jedi master from a time of peace with Luke skywalker makes zero sense. Different eras, different teachings and methods and different mind sets. Also he's Luke fucking skywalker. He's essentially god when you look into his legends material

[@LodenVor]

Luke got a slap of some metallic scenery on Bespin when Vader deliberately started throwing objects at him from different directions. He wasn't omniscient even in the film where he floated some rocks and balanced on one hand while acting as a stool for Yoda in a peaceful and unpressurised environment.

[@blaze556922]

@@godofhate4167 they could have written it differently but not all Jedi are going to behave the same way and this is at a point where they were at their most arrogant. Having Carrie-Anne Moss is character sense that something was about to happen wouldn't have changed what was about to happen... You're just so attached to the OG Star Wars that anything that doesn't match it perfectly is going to upset you. Which is sad because then they can do nothing new without people like you getting so up in arms

[@Peizxcv]

Remember when AAA games were failing in the late 2010s' because game studios mistaked cutting edge graphics for story? Hollywood is going through similar phase as they mistake identity for plot. Just because "there is someone like me" in a show, it doesn't mean I am going to watch it and ignore the crap plot.

[@LordBriareos]

Not all representation is good representation. Reminds me of the 90s and early 2000s where every movie had to have its token black guy. More often than not he was just there or a really shitty stereotype. A character needs to be more than their skin color to really not stand out in a bad way. Take Dorian from Dragon Age Inquisition for example. He's a gay, poc but he doesn't stand around just being brown and gay. His perspective as a Tevinter mage is a big part of what makes him interesting. Add to that his sarcasm, wit and charm and you've got a pretty likeable and intriguing guy. I always play a mage my first playthrough in Dragon Age games, so having my perspective and his bouncing off each other and just knowing how mages are usually treated elsewhere in the world made for a really compelling character. He didn't feel forced or out of place, he was just a well-written character that also happened to be brown and gay. Nowadays you get Soldier 76 / Albus Dumbledoore gay characters or very forced, very obvious, very out of place ones. It just makes people feel uncomfortable and doesn't add anything interesting or informative to the experience. Same with skin color. People can tell something is wrong when there's a random black woman girlbossing through a show about Vikings set in Scandanavia. Hollywood needs to go back to casting roles organically instead to trying to force things.

[@Greebo-ne1sc]

@@LordBriareos that’s basically what happened to Fin in star wars eight. In Star Wars 7 he was one of the best and most interesting characters and basically one of the only original ideas in the film. In Star Wars eight he lost all depth and by Star Wars nine he basically had nothing to do in the story

[@LordBriareos]

@@Greebo-ne1sc Finn was one of the biggest wastes of potential I've ever seen. I'm genuinely saddened they dropped his storyline in favor of Rey's shallow female supremacist moral masturbation.

[@orokusaki1243]

@@LordBriareos For sure. Don't make it about identity for it's own sake. Make it about a person going through the world and (attempting) to overcome the barriers and struggles that literally everyone faces in their own way. Star Wars has people with tentacle heads and bat faces...racism/speciesism is passé except for the evil Empire who frown upon giving those people opportunity/support/acceptance in their "new order". Bad representations absolutely set peoples back and can reinforce stereotypes. There was an old cartoon that became a movie Fat Albert...made me think black, city kids grew up in junkyards and filth. Most media is a lie.

[@LordBriareos]

@@orokusaki1243 It also needs to be said that things aren't black and white. There is no purely evil or purely good side to things a lot of time. Robots received a lot of the bigotry in Star Wars long before the Galactic Empire rose to power. The Republic had a full-on civil war, which despite being orchestrated by the Sith, involved people who voted for the right to leave it. These were Independant peoples and planets, not property of the Republic. Anakin was literally a slave. The Republic was just as corrupt and evil as the Empire, the Jedi just as flawed as the Sith. A lot of the time with bad representation you also get a very skewed perception of things. Nowadays if you write a black character, then all white ones are bad. If you write a gay character, all the straight ones are bad. You write a female one, then all the men around her are bad. This focus on division, dehumanization, hatred and disparagement of others is big part of why modern diversity is being rejected. It doesn't come a place of love for other people and cultures, but from a place of hate and delusions of victimhood. Just like the actress said, her intentions are to make white people cry. If your goal is to punish people consuming your product, then you don't actually care about diversity. You're just an asshole using it as shield.

[@AlexSDU]

"That is why you fail" - Yoda They failed themselves.

[@orokusaki1243]

Anger, hate, fear are the paths to the dark side.

[@AgentMoray]

Two things can be true, The Acolyte as a show did face a lot of shitposting. However, man, that show was bad - on almost every level from story to characters to acting, pacing, action sequences, sets and cinematography. Some of the costume designs were ok though.

[@GenJuhru]

Totally deserved amount of shitpostings.

[@Ciborium]

Like the angry green lady? No, not She Hulk, the other one.

[@AgentMoray]

@@Ciborium No, not her lol... some, but fair enough mostly that wasn't great either.

[@mnk9073]

You can't shitpost a good movie to flop. You can only shitpost a flop while it flops.

[@arbhall7572]

It didnt face a lot of shit posting. It EARNED a lot of shit posting.

[@stephenhinojos1994]

I'm glad people are talking about this. This problem is not just limited to Star Wars either. A number of failed projects recently have been blamed on the fans instead of Disney taking responsibility for their actions. Actors, creators, and execs go out and blame the audience for the failures of theirs shows. Acolyte, the new Star Wars trilogy, She Hulk, the Marvel's and others have seen this happen. That's a major reason why the franchises, and the company as a whole, are facing so many problems.

[@orokusaki1243]

It is rather widespread. A lot of companies under unfit executives, uncompromising board members, and shareholders who only care about the money. It isn't so bad though, like a dozen companies own everything, so they can just reorganize and pass IPs around - momentarily pausing at one owner while they attempt to milk it as much as possible.

[@juanc5149]

I thought the show was canceled because it was bad.

[@GadzWolf11]

Nope. It got canceled because it didn't get enough views to justify the budget. It didn't get enough views to justify the budget because it was bad. You don't climb a flight of stairs with just the first step or just the last step, Habibi.

[@MagnustheRad]

It didn't get the views because it was bad

[@everettjohnson9374]

Bad/good is subjective.

[@blaze556922]

You clearly didn't watch the show. It was very good

[@ozymandiasultor9480]

@@blaze556922 No, it was not. That is why it is canceled.

[@jacara1981]

She was a lot of the problem once she put out the music video insulting the fans.

[@AB-ln2py]

She was insulting fans from the start...

[@orokusaki1243]

Disney should sue her for damaging the brand, eh? Shareholders would love to recoup some of that.

[@445588997]

As someone who isn't white, who isn't living in America, I seriously don't give a f the colour or gender or LGBTQ in the story. I don't care if the characters are white brown black yellow green red purple. I don't care if they're male female queer he she them it. I just want a story that makes sense and doesn't require my brain to do crazy mental gymnastics to get through. The mental gymnastics I had to go through to make sense of Acolyte just makes me want to stop watching. And after watching the whole series, I still don't get why that padawan did what he did, nor how all the witches died in one swoop.

[@andrewlim9345]

Having watched all eight episodes of the show, I think there was a lot of missed potential with what the stort could have been. The response of Amandla and the show's defenders reminds me of the behaviour Remainers following the 2016 Brexit referendum. While she doesn't deserve the racist abuse directed at her, bashing the audience is unwise.

[@maestro-zq8gu]

What amazes me is the hatred for this show by people PAYING DISNEY MONEY RIGHT NOW. It's like those people that hate Elon Musk and drive a Tesla and post on X. Vote with your wallet. It's the best vote we little people have. Glad to see ya American Ben we missed you.

[@GenerationFilms]

Hey pal missed u too

[@DesertGuy702]

It’s exactly those who do pay for Disney + who have the most right to complain about the content they pay to see.

[@kellscorner1130]

The flaw in your logic is that hating a single show doesn’t make us hate the good shows like clone wars. If I punish Disney completely then I risk the good shows not manifesting. But I will still rail with hate against the acolyte, the new series, obi wan, book of boba, and most of season 3 mando because it was fucking trash that put politics, diversity and equity ahead of good story writing and sensible retconning. So say what you want, but it was indeed left leaning politics that have ruined Starwars.

[@mamelandro3972]

Well, they are the most entitled to comment. If I'm paying for something, if that doesn't work I complain cause I'm using my money. Obviously, if that doesn't change, you should just go away and stop sponsoring. But that's the simpler version of it. On Disney+ there are also other shows and movies (especially outside of Star Wars) that are good so I want to watch them. The easiest thing to do then is to just not watch/keep watching bad series, viewership is of course connected with decisions on which show to keep doing and which content to cut

[@slimgnome2659]

Acolyte: ~$hits on Canon~ Also Acolyte; "ya'll just a bunch o biggots" Slimgnome: ~leaves chat~

[@Banzai431]

Obviously it was cancelled because hardly anyone could be bothered to watch it. Isn't that the main reason shows get cancelled? If the show doesn't appeal, people aren't going to watch.

[@GoldenPhil]

Ben!!! Your wisdom and reasoned tone has been much needed.

[@GenerationFilms]

👋🏼☺️hi ole pal

[@GoldenPhil]

@@GenerationFilms Good to see you again. You have a great weekend.

[@zerolegacy7821]

Great video Ben and super great to see you in the mix again! I missed you brother!!

[@GenerationFilms]

Thx man 😊

[@Greywolf-91]

“The Acolyte”, was canceled because it SUCKED.

[@lyleseward8638]

Tru dat, you can't closemindedly say that a large group of people are all the same, mock all of those people, and then expect to be well liked by those people.

[@GenerationFilms]

Yep

[@greggougeon4422]

Disney for some reason is trying to tell us what we like instead of giving us what we like.

[@AlexanderNigbor]

Disney all ya gotta do is stop insulting the core fans and give us lightsaber duels that's all you need to print money

[@missdeadite9696]

good to see American Ben again. I love seeing all you guys and we haven't seen much of the Bens.

[@GenerationFilms]

Good to see you friend!

[@fozzy20]

I honestly didn't think about any of the political nonsense. I just got halfway through the first episode and realised it was 1st year film student fan fiction with a big budget. I kept waiting for it to get better but it never did.

[@dawfydd]

I think Personally Disney has had a lot of issue with Bloat.. over driecting over writing so what we end up with is Television show by committee, and not very interesting. 180million to do almost nothing is a waste of money, heck even if it was Andor levels i'd still be wonderful where the money went exactly. Most of those who love Starwars just want Disney to do better, to give a shit about the characters- or care enough about the fanbase.. to leave characters they don't like.. alone and do a story not based in the skywalker timeline.. why not 200 years in the future.. new baddies new good guys.. anything you like! or way in the past.. before the republic.. in another galaxy.. anything else!

[@captainviktorgrim261]

I think part of it is pushback against all things blatantly woke. You can look at Concord, Dustborn, suicide squad kill the justice league and now star wars outlaws and see a trend. You can also look at mad max and borderlands. But even leaving that alone you have toxic stars and makers of the show doing stupid interviews. The show was just dog water and was too expensive to justify. You can't keep blaming the fans when for the most part you've chased away all your fans apathy has set in. Ahsoka was not great and it needed to be a slam dunk, mandalorian season 3 was alright but not great, book of boba fett was a wasted opportunity, and Andor nobody really watched. Lucasfilm has created the perfect storm to kill star wars. I'm tired Ben extremely exhausted.

[@Ciborium]

TBF, "Borderlands" has a plethora of problems bigger than _Girlbossing._

[@mamelandro3972]

I agree on the comment on Borderland, cause it's the only of the movie mentioned that I know. That movie is so weird, it doesn't feel like Borderland, at all! You know if they put a known name on something and I go see that something, I expect to see what I know. It's basic logic and when I see that my previous knowledge and what I'm seeing is not the same I feel betrayed. Are there exceptions to this? Of course there are! The Boys is the most important serie that comes to my mind to prove this point, the changes there are massive in the characters look and the plot as well. Why is loved then? Cause it keeps the spirit of the original opera! Characters are wild, superheroes being brutal and commentary is still there. So that's why people are mad at Star Wars, at Rings of Powers and Borderlands. They don't feel like the name they carry

[@captainviktorgrim261]

@Ciborium regardless if it stinks of current year politics, gets people in the door is the hardest part. People are pattern associating at this point, so these movies, shows, and games are just being sent out to die. People are not paying for this, so it ultimately doesn't matter about its merits or lack their of.

[@captainviktorgrim261]

@mamelandro3972 some of those are video games that have woke politics in them, and they are losing big money. All the layoffs, cancelations, and closures are all connected back to making things for a modern audience that does not exist. Make good movies, video games, and TV shows and people will watch.

[@Jason8648776]

I've been wondering where British ben and American ben have been

[@erictoncray966]

I like your take and bringing information to all while showing the clips so we can hear directly from the people’s mouths.

[@blackc1479]

Welcome back to American Ben! I honestly didn't watch it at all, mainly because the whole "high republic" concept seems ....odd. It doesn't really jive in the bigger story arc, and seemed kinda artificial. If you tell a good story, it'll resonate. And it's worth noting that I work in a bookstore, and to this date, have never had anyone ask for a high republic book. I still get folks looking for legends, occasionally for the other new Canon. When the ahsoka book came out they flew off the shelf. Short version: I'm not the only one who didn't feel any interest, and if people won't buy the books, maybe don't throw millions at a series.

[@GenerationFilms]

Good insights!

[@patw1687]

I gave up on Star Wars after Rian Johnson's movie. I already have too many streaming services. Ms. Stenberg, neither you or your story are the reason I no longer watch Star Wars. Your boss didn't want me as a customer. So, I obliged her and walked away. Please learn to forgive and move on with your life. Don't let the small-minded and bigoted fans dwell in your mind and heart. That anger will hurt you more than their thoughtless and cruel words.

[@ronmaximilian6953]

Star Wars never has been and never will be apolitical. But, the episodes 1-6, Rogue One, and Solo included themes that appealed to most people regardless of their politics. And then they decided to replace good acting with representation. We don't need Mary Sue's and we don't need to purposely anger half the audience. I despise the online trolls. But I'm boycotting Disney until they do better.

[@merafirewing6591]

@@ronmaximilian6953 yeah, canon had unrealized potential that it could've worked, but instead it was destroyed because spreading "The Message" takes priority over keeping the fans entertained.

[@joeyonechip]

They sabotaged it by calling it Star Wars. lol.

[@scottcarver7393]

Hedland wasn’t able to communicate that The Acolyte was made for the fans because it was never intended to entertain the Star Wars fan base. It’s a $180M love letter to herself that rips apart the core morals of the franchise created by George Lucas.

[@_fungaem_6109]

Look at Andor if you want a good way for your gay characters to be integrated into star wars. Just write good characters. Mind blowing I know.

[@killingragethrowback]

No, the fandom is not bigoted. The fans just want good stories. And it's annoying when all criticism is jumped lumped together as bigotry.

[@verilyveronica8430]

This just validated me Un subbing from this channel months ago. They just keep pushing it in my feed.

[@mervjohnson8010]

If it's worth corrupting, it's worth defending.

[@eddiesimbol2661]

I thought the writing didn't live up to the premise, and disappointed us that wanted a good Star Wars story.

[@justinreilly6619]

Well said American Ben, very well argued as usual. I agree, I think The Acolyte faced a huge up-hill battle before it was released off the back of the two interviews you highlighted. They just rung the fans bells before watching episode one of this series. The Star Wars community, much like other geek communities, now have a very low threshold for anything perceived as being 'woke'. I don't think this series was particularly woke. I think some of the dialogue was poor and some of the plot points and actions of the characters were incomprehensible. For me, the series was 6 out of 10. But... I was intrigued enough by the end, to want a season 2. Oh well!

[@ctakitimu]

I didn't hate the acting in this show (yes, I did the whole journey). The acting was fine. The light saber battle scenes, I loved! The story and dialog SUUUCKED though. I kept hoping it would get better but it never did

[@thunderfreeze1544]

You and Alan have some of the best takes on the state of Star Wars

[@macrosense]

It had low ratings. Police Academy had bad reviews. And they made about 7 of them.

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

And it even spawned an animated series.

[@1983Blackwatch]

It was canceled cuz it was Bad. Simple as That. Disney should Make Good Entertainment instead of Propaganda and stuff. The People are Sick of it. And they are winning. Just Look at the Numbers and the Money🤷Get the Company where it hurts: the Money. Simple as That🤷No Need for Discussions to be honest. Same goes for the Concord-Disaster. No Politics,Just Entertainment and People will buy it. It’s so simple🤷

[@KalousTheGuy]

Watching her interview brings me back to old videos on recognizing which side of their brain people are using in a conversation. One is constructive, and the other is memorative. Most of this "story" was constructed on the fly. Very little of what she spoke came from memory. If you know what that means, you're pretty awesome.

[@merafirewing6591]

The Acolyte was never Star Wars to begin with, only in name. The minute Disney purchased Lucasfilm is the minute that Star Wars started ticking down to destruction. While there are a small handful of good things in Canon, but those good are unable to outweigh the bad things that done permanent damage to the franchise.

[@xt7519]

I go to a theater or watch a series to be entertained, not lectured to. I think that's the core issue that Disney and many other Hollywood studios have forgotten. The Acolyte didn't die because of anything more than poor writing, poorly thought-through story line, and the fact that it simply couldn't engage it's audience in numbers sufficient to warrant another season.

[@xXNoobKillaXx]

It's just not the Star Wars I fell in love with

[@merafirewing6591]

Canon had a small amount of good things that showed unrealized potential, but instead it was destroyed for the message and money.

[@blaze556922]

Yeah things evolve and change. Stop being a dinosaur

[@merafirewing6591]

@@blaze556922 I'd rather be the dinosaur and resist change because canon has become so ruined that it's potential is now lost and that sticking to the EU is the only way to stay sane.

[@blaze556922]

@@merafirewing6591 Or you could just enjoy... The same way you did the very first time you watched Star Wars. Crazy concept isn't it? Your preconceived notions are hindering you from enjoying something you claim to love. Do you love sci-fi epics with blasters, spaceships, and laser swords? Then you should have enjoyed The Acolyte. You probably decided to show sucked before you ever even watched it... I see your gatekeeping hateful type all the time.

[@merafirewing6591]

@@blaze556922 because it never delivered anything that's remotely Star Wars, everything about the series is garbage. I reject it. Gatekeeping isn't my forte, but I would gladly start practicing it.

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

**Reads title** Because it’s woke Disney trash. There, I saved you 13:21 of your life. You’re welcome

[@OGPatriot03]

Yea..

[@hikigayamurakamo9340]

That, the incompetent writing and the amount of money being wasted on this show why it got cancelled. Calling the fan by being racist, bigot and all only to push them futher from coming to the show

[@AgtShadowWalker]

I was honestly a little sad/disappointed to hear the Acolyte was cancelled. The acting and writing needed work, I'll admit, but there were elements that I was genuinely interested in. I'm still hung up on the line "A Jedi does not draw their weapon unless they intend to kill" 'cause it's such a cool line that can go so many different directions. Perhaps we'll get another chance to look into that kind of stuff.

[@everettjohnson9374]

Honestly the Acolyte came off like something Lucas would have made during the prequels lol its seriously the most prequel era show ive ever seen

[@mystryj4771]

Dude wake up they were changing everything that made Star Wars, Star Wars. The female is force? wtf Sith everywhere? Ok How about Jedi masters killed by a little girl boss woke Mary sue? 😂😂😂 you in denial

[@merafirewing6591]

@@mystryj4771 the minute KK was put in charge is the minute that Star Wars is beginning to go on a decline and a small number of good things in Canon that gave us a hint that it had potential, but instead she chose to squander it, and disrespect the fans and separated the original canon and reclassed it as the EU. Star Wars Canon was destroyed all for sending "The Message" that no one wanted.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

It was mean people on the internet that did it. Because corporations totally care about that and not money and viewership.

[@UltraDonny5000]

As far as I am concerned, Star Wars is 3 movies and that is it. The prequels,sequels, books, and cartoons are all just fan fiction of varying degrees of quality.

[@WhatsReallyGoingOn84]

Thank. You! This is the best option. I got different versions of the 4K77 editions on Blu-ray, and that's it. Someday the majority of people will come to our view of it.

[@osets2117]

​@@WhatsReallyGoingOn84no they won't

[@supsup335]

Ben's so ged up, even the tabaco is only strong enough to take away the edge😅

[@GenerationFilms]

😂true

[@eduardofranco8528]

I actually agree with you man, unfortunetely Star Wars is a dead brand now, nothing anyone ever does about Star Wars anymore will be well received or liked, regardless if it's Disney ou George Lucas, "fans" will crap on ANYTHING, regardless of quality, any time something Star Wars is announced, they don't even wait to know what it is about, they start hating on it right out of the bat, even if turns out to be really good, it will still fail, because people will hate out of existence... Because they love Star Wars too much I guess.

[@mamelandro3972]

I understand what she meant in the interview and I get that of course it was taken out of context but she received zero education on how to deal with promotion interviews and that's totally on Lucasfilm. Especially after The last Jedi and Rian Johnson mocking fans (for no reason), they should have more control on the narrative before their new products. Proof that Lucasfilm is failing miserably on this is also the fact that they didn't comment on Amandla diss video, which ended any small change of people willing to get closer to the serie. So it seems the quality was bad and the controverse, but also promotion of it really was terrible and that plus the general apathy to Star Wars reached a small viewership as result. That's the simple reason for cancellation, not cabals or conspiracies

[@mamelandro3972]

Also yeah, hiring the former assistant of Weinstein is not the best advertising you can have 😅

[@McTuber42]

Tbh I think stirring up controversy was an intentional marketing strategy by Disney. All publicity is good publicity and so on. It just sounds like the Acolyte failed because it was a bad show and most fans stopped watching after the initial hype/outrage.

[@joshuawells835]

Overall, for better or worse, The Acolyte was cancelled because it cost over $180,000,000 and had too low a viewership to continue on to another season. Disney doesn't want a repeat of 2023, in which they lost over a billion dollars because of woke films or tv shows plagued with bad writing.

[@LordBloodraven]

I'm very much like Dr. Ernest Lawrence as depicted in the 2023 film Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer: "You don't care about integration?" Lawrence: "I want to vote for it, not talk about it. Especially on a Friday." I'm glad you were able to make your opinion known without making this a lecture on real-world politics.

[@Ptaaruonn]

Hey, they said if you don't like it don't watch it, so I didn't watch it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@leftovers7168]

Interesting. Just watched The Acolyte, knowing nothing of these issues, who the cast are, promotion faux pas etc etc, but aware it was cancelled - so didn't pick up on any of this. Maybe there's just too much info out there ahead of and around the broadcast. Taken at face value, it was passable entertainment - some good moments, some good characters, a few dull episodes and creaky concepts. But anything dipping its toes into the Star Wars universe is worth a watch. Like the man said, it's just a space opera. No need to get worked up.

[@insensitive919]

This whole nontroversy reeks of "my dad could beat up your dad" as much as I might agree with the less popular side tbh 😬

[@dougterhune9364]

It was bad, that was it!

[@RandomNPC001]

"It is not for you!" They said. So who was this for? Because their target "modern audience" did not watch this either. As a matter of fact, the modern audience never watches, plays or listen to anything they say they love, it`s just a lot of virtue posturing.

[@EarhirX]

It was cancelled because it lacked the remotest thing resembling cohesion, it was worse than fan fiction written by a 13 year old. And it was bad because they wanted it to be a medium to promote their political agenda rather than a show with a story. It was not the specific ideology that the show wanted to convey but that it was made more as propaganda than entertainment. There’s no way to excuse neither the creator of the show nor the actress’ behaviour because it is closely linked to how that wanted to promote the show. It was promoted as propaganda for their ideology because that was at the forefront

[@blaze556922]

Everyone I know who watched it enjoyed it

[@EarhirX]

@@blaze556922 well everyone I know who watched noted the blatant inconsistencies in the plot and larger lore

[@blaze556922]

@@EarhirX you can acknowledge inconsistencies and still enjoy a show. Sounds like part of your problem is preconceived notions. Leave those at the door next time... Simple

[@josh3771]

Most of us are tired of weak actors with Daddy issues making the story about their destructive personalities instead of a real plot with adventure that explores the star wars universe. Tried to like Acolyte, bad no character compared to all the spinoffs like Andor or Ahsoka which were amazing.

[@death13a]

Apparently it's MY fault that I didn't watch Acolyte 😂😂😂😂

[@orokusaki1243]

I definitely did *NOT* hate this show, but there certainly were some weak spots. I managed to stay interested, and I did enjoy the series. It felt like Star Wars. I liked it. The character presentation was not surprising or incorrect - they seemed about where one should begin in a story. Their depth was being delved to a sufficient point to give them some believe-ability, in reference to the underlying story and the story that arose as a result. Characters are incredibly important to a story because they are the dynamic parts that progress that story. The setting is also quite important, but is more static, more of a backdrop. The actors and writers and showrunners, I couldn't give two flying figs about their personal opinions/beliefs/agendas. "Gayest Star Wars" actually made me chuckle, because the context was sarcastic (but not exactly appropriate). Between the gaffes in the interviews and other questionable associations, that provided fuel for the audience who didn't take kindly to false accusations of bigotry, racism, and etc. Like said in the vid: don't attack/mock/accuse/insult your audience. They will retaliate. Instead, serve them what they came for, what they've paid for, what they desire. The negative Nancys all over the place were simply annoying, I believe they convinced a significant number of Star Wars fans to withdraw any support for the show by blowing things way out of proportion. I wouldn't blame political party members, or social organizations, because it ultimately falls to the individual to decide for themselves - except there will always be sheeple from all walks of life and affiliations, who will go with the flow without much critical thought. Didn't Amandala play the Star Wars theme on violin during some televised thing? I mean...that was kind of cool. But then, wasn't a writer hired because they had no real clue about Star Wars (the story, the "magic")? I mean...that was rather idiotic. Even though it is currently "cancelled"...if they smarten up and revisit, I wouldn't be opposed to them making a Season 2. Else, someone better get writing the comics/novels, cuz I wanna know more about the story that comes next, as told by the characters! Great vid Ben, from someone who is neither happy nor unhappy with you! lol (hmm, baby seal skin comforter.. do you drive really slow in the ultra-fast lane? do you walk around in the summertime saying "how 'bout this heat?"? Is that a cuban cigar you're holding?) 🤣

[@wrymehexin3885]

Both the Boys S4 and acolyte were both terrible just acolyte was way worse F🤬🤬k Eric Kripke and Darth Headland

[@supremeoverlorddiamontethe4557]

I didn't avoid this show because I'm a racist, or woke or whatever the opposite of woke is. I didn't watch it for the same reason i stopped watching Asoka, they are boring. Asoka was so bad, half of that show was someone staring at someone else, often with crossed arms and a stern look. I actually fell asleep during an episode and didn't bother rewinding to see what i missed. And this is coming from someone who watched every Mando, Every Boba and Every Andor. They weren't perfect but at least they weren't boring. Even the trailer of Acolyte was boring, why bother even watching.

[@donstarlancer]

It’s funny because Amandla is attractive enough to get people to tune in just to look at her but the show’s execution was just so poor. And this is coming from someone rooting for it based on the concept. This idea would be really cool in skilled, attentive hands but it just rang hollow in the end.

[@dracopendragon6829]

Question: "Why The Acolyte Was Canceled?" Answer: "It Was Absolute Trash!"

[@Sonof_DRN2004]

I’ll save you guys some time from watching the video. Anyone who gave the show a chance, didn’t enjoy it and didn’t watch the following episodes.

[@petcali24]

How dare Star Wars fan decide for themselves that they dislike something that Disney says we should like. What a joke, is fans dislike something they will not watch. That is why the Mandolarian is such a hit. It does not suck.

[@Viggenpower]

Lets be real. It wasn't good. As much as I didnt like the prequels, they were still Star Wars. They moved the story along and added to the canon and myth. HOWEVER, these disney star wars projects are mass produced money grabs, and the fan base sees through it.

[@FreeThePorgs]

Lesbian space witches who dance and sing and suddenly become preggers???? With retconing out the wazoo. Mainly it was too expensive and nobody was watching it!!!! The cost VS the value of the show did not equal out. This is one more bad star wars show...... On top of countless others.

[@IvanKinkle]

People actually complained about “The Boys” Season 4 was woke and getting too political. Wtf? The show accurately depicts both sides of American Political ideologies perfectly. It makes fun of conservatives and progressives.

[@dolofonosesostrefis]

11:12 I don't know how to word this but this is a genuine question, "She, non-binary, woman" were used describing Amandla. Can you be non-binary and a woman? Or was this a verbal slip up? I know you can be non-binary and use he/her pronouns but I don't entirely know the full descriptor ins and outs, if that makes sense? No hate intended I'm just uneducated in the topic and hoping to learn if possible.

[@GenerationFilms]

I don't know lol. I wouldn't go with my description, I probably said like eight different offensive things in that sentence. I'm too old and square to understand any of the new lingo.

[@kellscorner1130]

Because it was flaming pile of badly written trash that goes out of its way to insult the actual fan base. All I wanted was a fricken Sidious/Plagius origin story.

[@mactayler3025]

I no longer consider myself a Star Wars fan. Putting aside my issues with forced DEI and the terrible stories, I would have still watched all the Star Wars show and movies because I was a fan. But then the people making the films started attacking me and others like me. Why would I support people and a franchise that think I'm stupid, racist and sexist? Why would I waste time watching their shows or pay money to watch their movies?

[@pbh9195]

The numbers and viewership were simply not enough to justify a 2nd season in Disney's eyes If the writing and characters were better more people would be talking positively but that's sadly not the case Look I was intrigued by this show, but the ending, mystery, and circumstances were too contrived and stupid to ignore.

[@TearDownGenesis]

Surprised you didn't bring up her making a distrack targeting people who didn't like the show. -You also missed the worst clip of the "Star Wars is gay" when Stenberg said "The fans are gay" and the interview even tries to salvage it saying "Some are" and her pushing back suggesting most of the fans are. She was definitely...something in that, behavior there was weird overall. But a major point of her behavior in the press and after was a lack of self reflection. There is a difference between being happy with your performance and whatever that was. I think Sol's actor was much more tactful. Also, the writing is the core problem. You say its passable having watched 3 episodes but most people dropped on episode 3, and continued. Bad writing isn't always "OMG I'm out" inducing but simple "what else is on?" instead. That is what happened. A certain percent did say "OMG this is roooough" but the average viewer isn't as attentive, rather they just "feel" a show and for this show they didn't feel it and had their attention drawn elsewhere. Honestly, there wasn't much competition. There isn't a huge overlap with The Boys for example, as that show has a lot stronger political message and is darker and more mature, so people who don't like that should prefer The Acolyte, IF it was viewed as good in its own right. If you look at the Neisen top 10 there isn't much there that would be viewed as a real challenger to Star Wars. The top 2 are Bridgerton and The Boys, after those two there is a pretty sizable drop off among other show viewership. Really the show only had one passable point which was a single major fight mid season. It says a lot about the quality of writing when the only part that is well received does not involve actual writing.

[@incredible_bogart]

I saw the Acolyte as Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, but Star Wars. 🤔 Just like Asoka was a samurai epic. Star Wars being a mythical Kung Fu flick didn't translate well to the audience. And...the weird stuff with the witch coven was off-putting and didn't help.

[@Tank50us]

We've seen this before with other IPs, if the creator says something like "If you don't like it, don't buy it" while at the same time ramming stuff we don't want into that IP, the IP dies a radioactive death. I didn't watch the series, I didn't even pirate it. Why? Because the moment I heard that actress make that statement that she was "Oppressed", I couldn't stand her. My thought process went to: "You are the lead actress in a _STAR WARS_ project.... Do you have ANY idea how much of a privilege it has to be to even get _THAT_ far?" I heard the same argument from an African American F-22 pilot, and my mind went to the same place... especially considering how few F-22s even exist, and he got to fly one.

[@DR_CINEVERSE]

Disney needs to keep its core Star Wars fans in mind while also expanding the franchise to attract new audiences beyond the traditional demographic of straight white men. They should demonstrate that the upcoming projects can resonate with a broader and more diverse viewer base. As fans, we need to approach future Star Wars projects with an open mind and recognize that the stories and experiences of marginalized communities are important and deserving of a place in this diverse universe

[@BracesForImpact]

It's unfortunate, but these folks infect every fandom, not just Star Wars.

[@gundamwarrior]

Nah, the show just sucked. Bad writing, bad acting, bad premise that destroys known canon. Thats why the show failed. Not because of bigots racists conservatives etc. Majority of conservatives probably don't even subscribe to disney cause they already hate disney to begin with due to their own politics. So the show wasn't going to lose viewers based off of them watching or not because they'd not have watched in the first place.

[@HardlyQuinn]

The mandolorian isn't that good in any respect? 😂 come on mate I know you are trying to be balanced and that's cool. But seasons 1 and 2 are some of the best television in years

[@dawfydd]

I object to the statement that the fanbase should've somehow protected her from abuse. Because i've never engaged with her, i don't follow her.. read twitter etc.. I said prior to acolyte coming out lets wait and see. That is all i should have to do, i don't need to run out and counter some abusive fan and make them stop bullying.. we just seem unwilling to address bullying as a whole please don't put it on the fanbase to somehow turn this all around. Disney like with the snowwhite actress needs to step in and say.. look be nice or shut up.

[@arnefines2356]

If American Ben narrated Rare Earths videos, thay would be even more more.

[@HighHeelKnight]

What happened to Tasi Lowa!?!? That is all I am dying to know. She was introduced in the first act of the first episode. Then she completely disappeared from the program. Just gone! Vanished. WAZUPWITDAT!? 🤷🤷🤷

[@zombiebonegaming]

American Ben we missed you!

[@GenerationFilms]

Missed y'all too! ❤️

[@silentnight9097]

I gave up on star wars long before the acolyte. The last jedi was the last straw for me.

[@MrDracoSpirit]

I enjoyed the Acolyte on the whole. A class fight scenes, C class plot and B rank worldbuilding. I didn't really follow the drama around the show too closely, but I knew people where calling it 'woke'... but I think there was a bit of overreaction to fairly well handled setting and plot. A black female lead in conflict with her sister is a fairly simple plot, there was no 'white men are evil' subtexts anywhere, the gay relationship wasn't pushed in my face and it came across as fairly belivable and real. I do honestly think the first ten minutes of episode 1 was the weakest writing in the whole show through, which is a terrable first imprestion to give. But most of the writing was 'fine.'

[@davidalan528]

The reason The Boys doesn't draw fire is because the people who would be doing the firing *don't realize it's satire* or has any kind of left political bent.

[@lepterfirefall]

It was a terrible show...total cringe....but all the rhetoric made it easier to switch off.

[@Davin64]

Nobody is listening to those people. It's Star Wars. Star Wars trumps all.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

It's because it sucks. Bad acting, bad writing, lame characters, screws with the lore, also the actors and directors attacking the fans, the people who they need to watch the damn thing, telling them to either not watch it or calling them bigots didn't help. It was shit, and it'd still be shit if everyone woman was a dude. The people involved are just too full of themselves to admit what they made was crap.

[@merafirewing6591]

Not to mention the show was made for a modern audience that never even existed.

[@OllamhDrab]

Kenobi was lame, Solo was pretty lame. Boba Fett was... poorly-executed. Disney didn't delete them.

[@OllamhDrab]

@@merafirewing6591 A big downfall of the show was it just didn't have the runtime to screw around with a puzzlebox of who the main character even is.

[@Trylen]

Ya know... I have no issue with what you said, it makes sense and was well said.. however... As you are American Ben... we have a problem.. Return the baby seal skin! That's a Canadian thing! What else do you think we mean when we say we're going clubbing? Remember if we'll club something as cute as a baby seal.. you ain't got much chance. Yes I am Canadian, Yes I deal with that moniker when working with Americans.. ya know what? I've answered to worse and I have my club. :P

[@IvanKinkle]

That sound bite was a joke!!!!!!! WATCH THE ENTIRE CLIP AND YOU WILL SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are both laughing at it and at one point you can see that even the creator looks uncomfortable and irritated.

[@Fatherofheroesandheroines]

It was a badly written show and the actresses made themselves the enemy of the fans. Especially the main one, since she made a whole 'diss' video against the 'hate'. It was a disaster casting her.